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You guys gotta remember this was before The US became the superpower it is today
you gotta remember that the british empire didn't end until after the war, then you took over as they were broke.
@blackberrythorns my point being that during that the early parts of the war when they were selling weapons and the post war cold war is what gave America the reputation it has today of being the sole superpower; thanks to the soviet unions collapse. Also btw not American
Really it was between the Spanish-American War and WW1 that the US became a superpower
WW2 was really when the US began taking permanent military action overseas and really trying to achieve “security” by parking their military all over the globe
And a we are just a Republic, with Empire/Imperial Power..
@@halicarnassus8235 the republic is dead, it's an empire that's in steep decline.
I came home from school once saying that FDR allowed the attack on Pearl Harbor. My dad said the higher ups definitely knew the Japanese were planning something. He then left the room and came back in with a puzzle, without the picture. He told me I had all the information I needed to put the pieces together and left. I spent a couple of hours diligently trying to put the puzzle together. I had a few pieces done. Dad walked back into the kitchen and said, "ok, the event has now happened." He handed me the lid and I was able to finish the puzzle in a matter of minutes. He then said something that has stuck with me 40 years later. "It's easy to put the information together once you know the outcome!"
If you haven't seen it, y'all should watch the HBO series "Band of Brothers".
My uncle's father (my aunt's husband's father), who was Austrian, was forced to fight for Germany in WW2. He was put on the eastern front but near the end of the war, he and a friend ran over 1000 km to surrender to the British and Americans so they had a better chance of seeing their home and loved ones again as German soldiers captured by the USSR were likely to never been seen or heard from again. He was put in a British POW camp for a couple years where he learned to speak English fluently, but he could never eat peas again once he got home because in the POW camp, he was constantly fed peas with worms. He died about 5 years ago but he was an extremely nice and funny man.
Oversimplified's Cold War videos are also really good. I highly recommend them, with your love of history.
I don't think the US expected a direct attack from Japan. They had moved the fleet from the west coast to Hawaii to increase their presence in the Pacific as a deterrent to Japanese expansion. They were more concerned with sabotage from the Japanese living on the islands than an attack from the air. Pearl was considered too shallow to allow torpedo attacks to work.
they had broken the codes, they knew. every war since the sinking of the maine was a false flag to mobilize the population.
the population needs to be mobilized somehow.
Agreed.
Japan was in a desperately needed expansionist era... where they needed resources and had to conquer territories around them to secure that.
At the time, the major threats to Japan's expansion were Australia and The Phillipines. The Phillipines, in particular, because it was a USA territory since 1898 when the USA took it from Spain during the Spanish-American War.
Japan Intelligence knew about the Pacific Fleet amassing in Hawaii and hoped to also catch the carriers there, which, unfortunately for Japan, they weren't.
Basically they took a page out of Hitler's book and ran a Blitzkrieg maneuver designed to cripple the USA fleet and neutralize the Phillipines as a threat. They committed a LOT to this opening gambit, hoping to buy time to expand enough in Southeast Asia to gather enough resources to repel a counter-offensive from the USA. And perhaps it might have worked if the carriers were at Pearl Harbor, or if they didnt get counter-ambushed at Midway..
To say the USA government LET Pearl Harbor happen is to say Japan wasn't a real threat. At the same time, I could totally believe they might so that.
After all, the attack on the USS Maine possibly was carried out by the USA so they could accuse Spain.
@@blackberrythorns I agree but I think they expected the Philippine's to be the point of attack or even the Aleutian islands to gain a forward base or Australia because they controlled the resources they needed. Pearl was kind of risky and isolated. They really thought the shallowness of the harbor was a safe anchorage. An attack on the American bases anywhere would have pissed off the citizens.
@@randallshuck2976 if they'd taken out enough ships it would have crippled the pacific fleet. the codes were already broken so they moved most of the fleet out to sea.
Historian here: The U.S. did exect an attack by Japan but not when and where they expected it. U.S. leaders expected them to attack Guam and the Phikippines and had only started to reinforce those locations starting in October 1941. U.S. leaders, like many around the world, didn't fully understand the long range cabalilities of carrier strike groups, thus they didn't think Hawaii would be a realistic target for the Japanese.
My grandfather was one of the radar/sonar operators on the USS Arizona, he was allowed to leave an hour before the attack happened to go to a football game, with his brother, my great uncle who served on the USS Hornet, a gunnersmate. Both of them survived, and both swore it had to have been a planned attack... I wouldn't be surprised if others who had eyes on radar equipment would have ben allowed to leave as well.
A lot of people also tend to forget, that Hitler was probably (and thankfully) suffering long term side effects from being gassed when he was a soldier in WW1. I still have issues from being exposed to Chlorine gas when I worked for Walmart, and I was in/near it for maybe all of five - ten minutes. That guy was bathed in gasses. I dread to think how much worse things could have been if he had been in his right mind.
Probably enhanced the meth
@Isilithix Many have put forward the idea that the experience of being gassed is why Adolf did not use poison gas on the battlefields during W.W. II.
The firebombing campaigns killed more people than the two atomic bomb attacks. Also, the firebombing raids and atomic bombs were necessary to end the war. The US and Commonwealth forces really only had three options to defeat the Japanese, land invasion, blockade and starvation, or atomic bombs.
Also, the Japanese defied the Potsdam Agreement and tried to negotiate for a conditional surrender instead of an unconditional surrender. One of the main details of the conditional surrender put forth by the Japanese was that they would be able to keep their conquest in mainland China and Korea.
so war crimes are ok if they end the war. interesting.
so some war crimes are ok. interesting.
@@blackberrythorns It wasn't a war crime but keep spouting that leftist talking point. It is the same thing I heard in college. Like I stated before, we had three options to end the war. The land invasion was looking like it was going to happen. That would have been far more brutal than any atomic bomb attack would have done. The Japanese were literally arming 11-year-old girls with sharpened bamboo spears to attack the American and Commonweath forces on the Kyushu Beachhead.
@@blackberrythorns How was it a war Crime
@@drewwar9344 fire bombing civilians? japanese cities were wooden. dropping nukes on cities?
The Oversimplified episodes about Napoleon are fantastic! You should look into those.
The Americans knew the Japanese were going to attack but didn't know where.
If the military higher ups did know about it, maybe there had been intel on other potential attacks and the Pearl Harbor thing was just another sheet of paper on the desk. Plus there's that thing where you only act on a problem when it's already too late
In Dress to Kill, Eddie Izzard explains how Hitler didn't play risk as a kid, and repeated Napoleon's failure, which is why he failed on the Russian front lol
The Soviet Union would almost certainly have tried to invade Germany within a few years. Both the Germans and the Soviets knew they would have a huge war, but the Germans were currently occupied fighting in the West and in the South, and the Soviets were not ready yet to fight that war. So the Soviets thought that war would still be several years away.
But the Germans knew that the Soviets would only get stronger every month, and there were a lot of very valuable resources in Ukraine and Southern Russia that the Germans really needed very badly to keep fighting as strongly as they did. So even though it was a huge risk at the time, the Germans knew a war against the Soviet Union would only get worse for them the longer they waited. And for the first year or so, it actually did go really well for the Germans. But that wasn't enough, and if they had waited longer, it probably would have gone even worse than it did. Germany never really had a chance winning against the Soviet Union while fighting against the British with American help at the same time.
That joke at the start was amazing.
17:30 and my grandfather died in aushwitz when he fell from the guard tower
Old joke, and you butchered it.
The fact that you're here clacking at your dorito crumb covered keyboard tells me that the joke clearly got through.
In terms of strictly military might, it’s astonishing what Germany was able to accomplish.
love the stories you 2 spoke, ive learned a lot.
My great grandfather was a turret gunner and flight mechanic on a Mitchell B25 bomber during the North African campaign
I have a plastic toy that shoots a pinch of salt. It's called Bug-a-Salt. I've had it 4 years. It works flawlessly. Nothing more satisfying than blasting gnats to hell. Super well made. 40$.
I was part of the original kick starter many many years ago.
Love mine, killed many flies
Think their up to version 3 or 4 now.
That thing works? I remember seeing infomercials about it.
There have been several books written on Pearl Harbor being allowed to happen. Even some claim that some officials knew of an attack coming at some point. Others claim the US were trying to provoke Japan into attack. Both ideas hinge on the fact a catastrophic attack was the only way to convince a very isolationist population to enter the war after the horrors of WWI and the countries tenuous economic state from the Great Depression. It was very interesting to many that while many ships were destroyed and damaged, some of the most important ones ie....the aircraft carriers were moved a week before. There have been over a half dozen Congressional inquiries about this topic over the years, the last was in the mid 90's.
There is also a movie about operation mincemeat that is quite recent.
Called: Operation Mincemeat , with Colin Firth
From the Fat electrician he also has a great commentary video about Percy Hobart.
The man who invented all the different variations of Sherman tanks used. As a result of also the sand that would cause normal tanks to get stuck on Normandy beaches.
After watching several Fat Electrician videos then seeing this Over Simplified video, as the narrator is describing certain parts, I’m thinking - “That was Jake McNeice, Willis ‘Ching’ Lee was there, the bridge destructon before Normady was Viginia Hall, winning in Africa was Percy Hobart, the Pacific islands - the 77th infintry, etc.” 😂
Dave fat electrician has a video about fire vortex it called bat 💣
19:08 the amphibious tanks worked perfectly fine for what they were meant to do. The only beach of the 5 where the tanks didn’t make it was Omaha beach which was the deadliest of the 5 beaches. The tanks for Omaha were released too early and the choppy conditions of the channel overwhelmed them. In total i think only 2 out of like 20 tanks made it ashore. The dat electrician has a video talking about the mastermind behind the tanks used on D-day “percy hobart and hobarts funnies. “
I don't know much details but my Great uncle was a tail gunner on a B17
There was a show on the History Channel about some of the weapons that both the Axis and Allies were coming up with during the war. One idea that America almost succeeded and would have caused a lot more wide spread damage to the Japanese were Bat Bombs. Scientists were trying to figure out how to forcibly get bats to essentially become time bombs. The plan was to strap napalm like explosives to the bats and drop them all over Japan, and then once the bats found some place to roost for the daylight hours, the bombs would go off and basically incinerate the areas where the bats roosted; and since most of the buildings were still the old traditional wooden Japanese buildings, it would have essentially turned those areas to ash. The scientists weren't able to get the bats to behave properly, and even if they had, by the time they might have got the problem with the bats solved, the A-Bombs were ready. Historians and predicted that if it weren't for the pollution that the A-Bombs leave behind, the Bat Bombs would have probably been much more dangerous and devastating, since the bats would have flown all over the place before finding a place to roost.
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History...all of them are an amazing listen.
Titties and Beer - Rodney Carrington. That is the other song you were referring to.
Haha ..she said "NO" to your technique Sir! lol
The D-day invasion took place on 6-6 at 6 am.
Rodney Carrington is that other guy, lol. Kinda the original Wheeler. Y'all should do one of his bits
The Fat Electrician has a video on a Brit that created special tanks for WW2. You might look for it.
I think it's unreasonable to say Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen. It was a devastating hit to America and the only reason it wasn't ten times worse is because the carriers were at sea. We lost five battleships in addition to other ships destroyed or damaged. Not as big as losing a carrier but battleships are an immense loss, each taking four plus years to build.
Definitely do the Cold War one! The American Civil War one is great as well.
7:00 I don't disagree with you Dave, but I do think it may be a lot more complicated than anyone could ever think
My wife’s grandmother was a little girl when all this happened. The Germans came to her school made the teachers dig a hole and shot the teachers into the hole
Idk if it said so in part 1, but the Soviet Union wasnt a traditional Alliance. More "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." The soviet union originally made a alliance with Germany to invade poland and take half for themselves. They were allied with Germany before germany invaded them, then all a sudden they are "allied with us" but not really. It was more of a "we both hate Germany lets fight them untill we meet then we'll just not fight each other." Then believe it or not, the cold war unofficially started immediately after ww2 in occupied germany
What the Japanese did to Chinese people in China during WW2 doesn’t get talked about enough it was absolutely horrific.
U.S. was in the war from the beginning just not officially. Weapons and supplies kept the soviets and British in the fight
The same thing with Israel, Israel knew that Hamas was going to attack and they didn’t prepare people for it because they wanted war. And by them, I mean Benjamin Netanyahu.
20:40, Ask the Chinese and Koreans about What you just said my Lady.
mm an Ash mustache ride!? Where do I queue up?
I'll politely disagree with Dave on Pearl Harbor. US intelligence knew the Japanese would attack at some point at some time. But exactly where and when they didn't know so they sent out a warning to all military bases (including Pearl) in the Pacific to be prepared. As it turns out, on December 7th, Japan attacked Pearl, the U.S. territories of Guam and the Philippines, and the British territories of Hong Kong, Singapore and Malaya (part of present-day Malaysia). It also invaded the independent nation of Thailand.
"This war situation isn't working to our advantage." Yeah, I'd say getting nuked twice isn't very cash money.
Also I kind of want to watch part 1 now, see if the touch on the (true) reason that Germany invaded Poland. Granted Hitler ended up going pretty off the reservation, and deserved everything he got, but that initial invasion wasn't exactly wrong..
Been waitin' for y'all to react to some Snout Cedar for a minute
Love your stuff, can you guys react to the fat electriction videos. Cheers
The Panay Incident was clearly a false flag thwarted by Japan instantly apologizing.
Pearl Harbor, however, was not. An attack in the Pacific was expected but there were far more likely targets the government was worried about.
6:28 🎯
Nice reaction.
Maybe you can react to "Sabaton - No Bullets Fly". It is more than just a music video and fits perfect in this topic.
Just to be clear, there were no civilians in Japan.That's what Imperial means.That's what an Empire is.There are no civilians.There are just the subjects to be used for war.So no there were no Civilians The emperor himself literally told his people if the allied forces land on mainland japan , every man woman and child must fight to the death And they believed him because he was literally their god They believed he was sent from heaven.So they were gonna do whatever he said
How is anybody suppose to know what Mancunian means unless they're from the UK?
As an American (sorry) I believe my country knew the Japanese were going to instigate, but not to that extent. Pearl Harbor was, in someways, a surprise. 🤷♂️
There were no Japanese civilians...
There are now, of course, but Imperial Japan was THE definition of imperalism...no civilians, all part of that divine victory and the divine race, etc. etc.
Dave ❤Dad jokes 😂
The Pacific is a great series about ww2. Japan was far worse than Germany.
At that time in 1941, we were way down the list on militaries, like 40th, or so. But, dumping on US, at Pearl Harbor? You get F**d hard!
Even if military intel had known every detail about Dec 7th, a surprise attack but better defended against would of still brought the US into the war, and we wouldn’t of lost the entire pacific battleship fleet (it wasn’t yet known that carriers were the new “capital ship”), losses that day would of been lessened, the Philippines & Guam could of been better reinforced in advance and thus might not of been lost requiring a very costly retaking, and the entire pacific theater would of been easier. So like most conspiracy theories, once you carry it out to the next layer of implications, it makes no sense.
Shellshock was World War 1
Looks like you need to watch the Fat Electrician Hobart vid.
Here we go with Dave and his holocaust denial, again. 😒
It was 6 million, Dave! Not one more... Not one less!
I dont think the US would allow so many war ships to be destroyed to move the needle. Unless they underestimated Japans attack strength. If not on purpose, there was a lot of fumbling around and false security on the USs part. This discussion is kind of like who shot J F K.
Show Them to Me by Rodney Carrington
Japan was very isolated.and liked it. United States basically forced them to open up for trade. They resented us for that. Years later Pearl Harbor.
4:55 I’m with Dave here, U.S higher ups definitely knew.
Please watch the cold War over simplified.
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22:43 'ruSSians ook Warsaw'. Wow. Its is very oversimplified. They let civilians fight with their former allies Germany and once city was destroyed their entered ruins. You are justifying ruSSians? Well, this is your ally for which you betrayed Poland and you don't even know what they did in Poland.
We weren't even a superpower yet. So wtf yall saying?
Israel 100% allowed the Hamas attack. That has been already proven. Israel via spies had the entire plan, from using the flying mini gliders. It was also interesting that lack of guards at their normal stations at the breach point. Also, the actual settlements with homes attacked had empty guard stations conveniently on that day. Netanyahu was in severe political trouble, he was about to brought up on crimes. The war ended all his legal troubles. It also gave him the provocation of what he always wanted to destroy Gaza for good. Netanyahu has stated for 30 years there will never be a Palestinian state.
This dude is definitely a conspiracy theorist lmao. Stay off the TH-cam shorts
You should probably do some research on why Pearl Harbor happened before you throw out conspiracies lmao. There was a clear reason
Good conversation . l think you're questioning is valid. I think we all are asking the same question
Military leaders in the U.S. knew that the Japanese had a history of surprise attacks to begin wars. A few were concerned about Pearl Harbor, but most assumed an attack would be in the Philippines or elsewhere in the western Pacific. Americans felt a false sense of security that the war was too far away to reach us. I suspect the racial attitudes of the day contributed to the complacency. The U.S., Japan, Germany and other combatants just "knew" that their opponents were inferior. Americans simply couldn't imagine the Japanese being so competent and daring. As for the conspiracy theory that they wanted the Japanese to attack so they could enter the war, they would have put the military on alert to minimize the damage. In fact, they did one week before December 7, and no attack came. That didn't help dispel the complacency.
the sinking of the maine, the lusitania, pearl harbour, the gulf of tonkin, 9-11 - there's a traditional way to mobilize the public into war.
@obdavereactions Dave and ash one of the reasons the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor was because (we the Americans) stopped trading oil with them,2. Between the years of 1870-1880 we forced Japan out of it’s nearly 300 years of isolation to trade with us. The trade embargoes we placed on japan was beneficial for the west, Japan was trading with us at a massive loss. In the 1970’s the exchange rates for the Japanese yen and Japanese market was changed. It is still based on the value of the US dollar.
You mentioned technical advancement during war. Which raises a pretty problematic series of events. A cynic will tell you that the US very late entry into into the war in Europe was more about stopping Stalin than Hitler. The American objective was to blow through everywhere to reach and block the Russian advance - they did this in Berlin, where they first established 'Checkpoint Charlie' dividing the city into western and soviet zones - the Russians would use this division when they built the Berlin Wall.
Along with plans to stop Stalin, the Americans went ashore on D-Day with a plan called 'operation paperclip'. This plan was to capture scientists, engineers etc. They actually rounded up about 4000 and shipped them off to the USA. They also captured documents and scientific studies. By the rules of the war, (and possibly medical ethics) such studies are not legal or ethical to possess or take. However much of the US navy’s knowledge on hypothermia, survival in water etc. were published in Navy handbooks, although they were the result of cruel and often deadly experiments on concentration camp inmates. It’s safe to assume other experiments were shared, such as hypoxia and air pressure to the airforce.
However the real gem they captured was a rocket scientist called Werner Von Braun. He invented the V2 rocket which was used to cause death and destruction, primarily in London. Much faster and bigger than the 'doodlebug' it took British authorities a while to even figure out what was happening. Travelling at supersonic speeds, it was neither seen nor heard. Buildings just weren’t there anymore. Nor the people inside.
Von Braun was a very keen Nazi, there are many pictures of him hanging around with the SS and high ranking Nazis. To build his rockets, he used slave labour from concentration camps. It is claimed that some workers were shot or hung in the factory for mistakes or lack of speed. There is a British movie called Operation Crossbow that shows British attempts to blow up his facility.
Having captured von Braun, the US shipped him back to the states with the others, where he went to work at NASA. He was made flight manager for the Saturn Program. The Saturn rockets were the ones that powered the Apollo program - landing Americans on the moon. His character appears in many of the Apollo movies - Tom Hanks has a scene or two with his character in ' Apollo 13'. Von Braun also worked with Walt Disney on some movies about space. He died in 1977 in the US. But not before he had been hailed in the US, and given a number of awards by both the government and some American scientific bodies. He also had a few earlier medals - military knighthoods and stuff, that he was awarded by Hitler himself for his wartime contributions.
It was not a terribly well kept secret, though relatively few ever mentioned it th-cam.com/video/TjDEsGZLbio/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pTLdmrb2uXmOmkXC
The Soviets were also taking scientists, engineers, research documents and technology being developed. Most of the medical research documents were captured from Japanese experiments.
quiz question - which country had the fourth (some say third) largest navy and fourth largest airforce in the war?
i think pearl was allowed to happen as well, the carriers were all out at sea
wow , dave is a true Marxist
If you haven't You should read the Book The last Panzer Division. It's about how a lot of the Germans trying to get to the was side of Germany. They would rather Surender to the U.S. because they feared the Soviets so much.
The Americans put a block on essential oil and rubber Imperial Japan needed, almost 2M at Stalingrad, was the worst loss of life in one place in the history of war. The unfortunate thing that hasn't changed is still the presence of dictators.
and i think the bulge was allowed to happen, better to destroy them in the field than entrenched defending
God bless the RAF.
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Why are talking about lost of live during Stalinigrad like it's a bad thing? That's a win-win situation.
russia was coming in from the north in japan so they took the lesser of the two evils and surrendered to the americans