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  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

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    • @thegamingduck7199
      @thegamingduck7199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hallo

    • @MarshallRedmon01
      @MarshallRedmon01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great episode

    • @crazyscientistfarmer2091
      @crazyscientistfarmer2091 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love your amazing videos!
      :D

    • @donaldduck9884
      @donaldduck9884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      “Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned for the day of deliverance is near!” Marcus Garvey

    • @pierrecalderone
      @pierrecalderone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Extra Credits, are some bad (as in good) dudes.
      Thanx for the knowledge.

  • @kuhluhOG
    @kuhluhOG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +967

    "Emperor of Africa"
    Considering how many different cultures are in Africa, that would work about as well as an "Emperor of Europe" or an "Emperor of Asia".

    • @felixsubakti6907
      @felixsubakti6907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +198

      Genghis Khan: hold my goat yoghurt

    • @colemanscollard2207
      @colemanscollard2207 3 ปีที่แล้ว +94

      Yeah, and Garvey was literally a self-proclaimed fascist lmao.

    • @audibleseekz
      @audibleseekz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Napoleon has entered the chat:

    • @Brams2777
      @Brams2777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      @@colemanscollard2207 He said that the Italians stole fascism from him lol

    • @ktheterkuceder6825
      @ktheterkuceder6825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bokassa has entered the chat.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 3 ปีที่แล้ว +346

    Garvey: “I am the Emperor of Africa!”
    Ethiopia, which already had an Emperor at the time: “Excuse me?!”

    • @King_Nex
      @King_Nex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      This from the guy who was saying colonialism was bad.

    • @orbitrons6731
      @orbitrons6731 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Funny you mention that, since Garvey held varying opinions on Haile Selassie in his life. First praising him as a leader of an independent african nation, and then criticising him for what he considered unpreparedness during the italian invasion of Ethiopia

    • @Elizabeththegreatest
      @Elizabeththegreatest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yes, Halie Selassie would have had something to say about THAT!

    • @filippocassano9753
      @filippocassano9753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ethiopia was a slavery country at that time...

    • @Mattewos
      @Mattewos 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@filippocassano9753 please elaborate

  • @killingragethrowback
    @killingragethrowback 3 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    To me, that wasn't a lesson in self reliance. That was a lesson on trust. His father taught him to trust no one.

    • @Makarosc
      @Makarosc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Be paranoid

    • @eric-vu1jy
      @eric-vu1jy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      MAYBE…. HE SEEMED A BIT OF A VEX…. PLUS A HORRIBLE TIME TO EXIST AS A AFRICAN

    • @SCP_Wandsman13_13
      @SCP_Wandsman13_13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just like John D Rockefeller.

    • @Jax3183
      @Jax3183 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And yet he went on to trust too much.

  • @wezza668
    @wezza668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +975

    Imagine being the UN and some american sends you a petition to legitimise his claim to be the king of all of Africa.

    • @deldricbratcher
      @deldricbratcher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      one Day I might

    • @neeneko
      @neeneko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      heh. you should check out some of the letters anna von ritz has sent out over the years. She claims to have dissolved the US and a bunch of other entities, and sends letters to the UN and Pope about it.

    • @miguel8698
      @miguel8698 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it will be so fun

    • @HebaruSan
      @HebaruSan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      or even some Jamaican

    • @ranwolf76
      @ranwolf76 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      he wasn't American

  • @Crackdalf
    @Crackdalf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    As a Jamaican I'm proud you're covering someone from our history

    • @highbahamut6188
      @highbahamut6188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      its a shame that the beautifull countries of the south and central america are completely destroyed do to corruption.
      a praise from Brazil

    • @Paballo_Kgotle
      @Paballo_Kgotle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was president of where again ??

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Robert Sears no

    • @RasVoja
      @RasVoja ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A national hero and Rasta prophet!

    • @narutochannel6742
      @narutochannel6742 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here

  • @historyking9984
    @historyking9984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +336

    Wow. I never knew Marcus Garvey’s dad made him crawl out of that grave. Like I know it’s important to teach self reliance but that could’ve gone wrong in many ways

    • @belias360
      @belias360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      They spin it as if it's some inspirational origin story but no. That's abuse. You could teach that lesson literally any other way except leaving your kid to pull himself out of a grave.

    • @user-qi3rm2wr5m
      @user-qi3rm2wr5m 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Wrong in many ways? I can only think of the grave collapsing.

    • @Xalerdane
      @Xalerdane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      “Good news Dad: I now know the importance of self-reliance.”
      “Bad news: I now have extreme trust issues.”

    • @raatibanderson6878
      @raatibanderson6878 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He's a free mason. Its an initiation.

    • @u-shanks4915
      @u-shanks4915 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@raatibanderson6878 based anon

  • @amirsamanzare
    @amirsamanzare 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I feel like many of these black nationalist movement or black activist in America has an orientalistic image of Africa and its people. They seem to think that Africans are some sort of homogenous group of people that share a glorious past.

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shut up

    • @Makarosc
      @Makarosc 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@quanbrooklynkid7776 strike a nerve good

    • @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif
      @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      He was horribly naive. Im pretty sure an egyptian and a south african wouldn't see each other as brothers

  • @nathanmccallum9048
    @nathanmccallum9048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    The title has given me flashbacks to high school history. Glad to get a more in depth biography.

    • @MrJaccTrippa
      @MrJaccTrippa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Really? What school book did you learn about Marcus Garvey?

    • @nathanmccallum9048
      @nathanmccallum9048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrJaccTrippa not school book just part of the civil rights topic in school. Went to high school in scotland if that answers your question.

    • @nathanmccallum9048
      @nathanmccallum9048 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well it must've been in a school book but I have no clue. Whatever textbook was given to scottish students in 2017

    • @pierrecalderone
      @pierrecalderone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I learned of him too, not as much
      as in this short video. Shame.

  • @PaulGAckerman
    @PaulGAckerman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +165

    This is not a complaint, but i was hoping to hear about his connection to Rastafarianism. I remember hearing he said that the first leader of a free African nation was the second coming. Since Ethiopia was never fully conquered by Italy, Haile Selassie, was said to be this person and Rastafarianism took its name from Emporer Selassie's pre coronation name Tafari Makonnen. Does anyone know if Garvey actually said this?

    • @spacecase4984
      @spacecase4984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Yes, it’s true. Marcus said look to Africa for a leader.
      In 1920, “ Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned, for the day of deliverance is at hand." Rastafari attached Halle to this statement and thought it referred to Halle 10 years later.

    • @rivera229
      @rivera229 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I don't know if Garvey said this but I find this fascinating since Emperor Selassie was a staunch religious Christian. I am not sure he would have liked being seen as some messiah. I wonder if he even knew about Rastafarianism.

    • @DarkLordOfSweden
      @DarkLordOfSweden 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@rivera229 he know, and while not hostile towards them, he was not a fan of the Rastafarians

    • @RaggaBaby
      @RaggaBaby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DarkLordOfSweden What? He especially visited Jamaica in the 1960's because of the following he had there

    • @NaviRyan
      @NaviRyan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rivera229 he knew but probably just viewed it as just having more subjects and could use it for economic gain. Unfortunately his communist generals had other plans.

  • @thedukeofchutney468
    @thedukeofchutney468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +384

    I’m really glad Marcus Garvey is getting some attention. I wish they talked about him more (if at all) in schools. While I strongly disagree with his segregationist and racist views I think is a figure who is not talked about enough.
    EDIT: For the people who are asking "What racist views?" Allow me to explain. Garvey was a big proponent of keeping the races separate. This was to the degree that he even had a secret meeting with Edward Young Clarke, the then leader of the KKK, in June of 1922. This greatly enraged many people and contributed to the "Garvey must Go" campaign that had been going on at the time.

    • @mogscugg2639
      @mogscugg2639 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      I definitely think integration is the way to go, but I appreciate this channel and crash course going over black history even in the off-season

    • @ic215
      @ic215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It's okay to be racist separatist.

    • @markadams7046
      @markadams7046 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I seem to recall hearing about him just recently from the Netflix show about Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The name seemed familiar though. I might have heard of him before, but if I did I had since forgotten. Yeah, he seemed to be a bit of extremist. He probably met with the Grand Wizard of the KKK because they both had the goal of the separation of the races, so to me his organization just seems to be a black version of the KKK. I can understand the other civil rights leaders having issues with him.

    • @keraatkins7833
      @keraatkins7833 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      It’s kinda interesting how Garvey’s mindset of segregation and retaliation is still felt today

    • @badreddinekasmi8919
      @badreddinekasmi8919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I would love if people talked more critically about him.

  • @King_Nex
    @King_Nex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +533

    "Colonialism is bad! That's why I'm going to move a bunch of people into Africa against the wishes of the locals!"
    Seems legit.

    • @this_is_patrick
      @this_is_patrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      He also proclaimed himself and his followers the first true fascists, further saying that Mussolini and the Italians stole the ideology from him.
      So, yeah, seems legit.

    • @ic215
      @ic215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Problem?

    • @ic215
      @ic215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@this_is_patrick again problem?

    • @blackpenman
      @blackpenman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      A bunch of people of African descent back to their ancestral home continent. This is an intentional misrepresentation of Garvey's ideas.

    • @kingzod8536
      @kingzod8536 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@blackpenman yeah it's not going to be taken so kindly, we see this already with protest and riots against nigerian immigrants in south Africa. Millions of people from different ethnicities/cultures moving into a third world nation/nations. Will cuase some resentment, especially when the nations are going through internal ethnic tensions.

  • @AnExistanceOfNothing
    @AnExistanceOfNothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    I'm glad this episode didn't shy away from calling Marcus Garvey a segregationist, and drawing the comparison between their ideas of separatism, and how they mirrored, in certain capacities, the Ku Klux Klan's. While Civil Rights is a just cause to fight for, it is important to remember that not everyone's approach to fighting oppression is the correct one, especially when it leads to recreating that oppression.

    • @zombiewarking
      @zombiewarking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Who are you in 2021 to pass judgment on how Marcus chose to fight oppression

    • @AnExistanceOfNothing
      @AnExistanceOfNothing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@zombiewarking Are you suggesting that we not evaluate the actions of people in the past? We shouldn't hold even people we'd consider our heroes as above scrutiny.

    • @badreddinekasmi8919
      @badreddinekasmi8919 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@zombiewarkingDude literally called himself a fucking faschist, like cmon. You're free to pass any judgement especially on someone who held so many morally wrong views.

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@badreddinekasmi8919 shut up

    • @Channelthatprovidesplaylists
      @Channelthatprovidesplaylists 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@quanbrooklynkid7776 Ah yes quite the academic response friend

  • @awesomehpt8938
    @awesomehpt8938 3 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    The split between Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm x was in large part due to Elijahs jealously of Malcolms high profile and popularity alongside the fact that Elijah had several extramarital children with teenage girls which Malcolm saw as hypocritical.

    • @arad4852
      @arad4852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      It was also about NOI theology vs Orthodox Sunni Islam

    • @muratqitaku56
      @muratqitaku56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Also Elijah Muhammad was a racist who used Islam for his black supermacy which goes against the teaching of prophet Muhammad (swt)

    • @colemanscollard2207
      @colemanscollard2207 3 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Yeah, like it's true that the FBI was integral in bringing the split to bear, but the way it's presented in this video makes it seem like Malcolm X wouldn't have split otherwise which I doubt, given his revelations while on the Hajj and genuine disapproval of Elijah Muhammed's hypocrisy.

    • @panafricanismstrikesback
      @panafricanismstrikesback 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wrong

    • @Elizabeththegreatest
      @Elizabeththegreatest 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He wasn't wrong!

  • @shawnheatherly
    @shawnheatherly 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Certainly not without controversy, but he does sound like a fascinating individual.

    • @jabezabraham8692
      @jabezabraham8692 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed

    • @cb41503
      @cb41503 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, the person who essentially founded a religion venerating an emperor as God incarnate is going to at the very least be interesting

    • @AdamTheAd-vanc3d
      @AdamTheAd-vanc3d ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He is a great individual with a shadow of a doubt !!!

    • @jay12120
      @jay12120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Controversial how?

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The way he went from colonised to coloniser with that UN thing.

    • @Stephenwhite013
      @Stephenwhite013 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Were you paying attention he never became a colonizer

    • @booblam6919
      @booblam6919 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Time will reveal all truth

  • @almostclintnewton8478
    @almostclintnewton8478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    wow that meeting with the Klan wizard... they really weren't kidding about his "monumental confidence".
    Always facsinating to hear about more obsure figures in the civil rights movement and Extra Credits' storytelling just makes it that much better!

    • @Elizabeththegreatest
      @Elizabeththegreatest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The fact that the wizard even gave Garvey the time of day is amazing!

    • @larrywave
      @larrywave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Would love to know more about that meeting

  • @camerongrow6426
    @camerongrow6426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    This is what I come to Extra Credits for, I remember this guy being a footnote in my high school history book and I'm amazed at how many details that footnote missed which totally change how I see Marcus Garvey

    • @dzmcroy
      @dzmcroy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember my history books being something like "there was Marcus Garvey, who was wack, there was Booker T., who was less wack, and there was W.E.B. DuBois, who got it right."

    • @ff-qf1th
      @ff-qf1th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This video also missed some important details! Like the fact that Marcus Garvey hated mixed race and jewish people.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ff-qf1th Yep.

  • @MarkArandjus
    @MarkArandjus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    Always been of two minds on Garvey. On one hand Garvey's goals of pride, resisting oppression and fighting injustice are of course good and necessary and he has inspired many. But on the on the other, his ideas of promoting violent action and racial segregation were morally wrong and counter-productive.
    A society based on racial segregation, for any reason, is racist by its very definition, and inevitably leads to injustice. No person should be unwelcome anywhere or forced to live somewhere simply because of their race or ethnicity.
    And while I'm not an expert on Africa, I know it's a very diverse continent, so pan-Africanism strikes me as strange as pan-Europeanism.

    • @erraticonteuse
      @erraticonteuse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I understand Black separatists, though I vehemently disagree with them. But especially back when segregation was the legal reality for much of the African diaspora, I get just throwing up your hands and saying essentially, "you're not *making* me live separately, I *want* to! And we're going to have blackjack! And hookers!"
      By the same token, it's why I try not to judge white people of the past too harshly who believed that the best solution to abolishing slavery also involved deporting African-Americans "back to Africa" (even though most of them were born in the US). Because for many of the "colonizationists", it was rooted in compassion, albeit an oversimplified Band-Aid solution to the very real problem of discrimination. Even after the Civil War, President Grant tried to buy what's now the Dominican Republic to be a majority black state for any black people who wanted to move there. It would have had full statehood and everything, he just wanted there to be one place in the United States where black people didn't have to make a stand every day simply to go about their lives and exercise their basic rights.

    • @RadikAlice
      @RadikAlice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@erraticonteuse As a Dominican, this is _incredibly_ amusing

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@erraticonteuse damn

    • @RasVoja
      @RasVoja ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, its exactly what uS is doing to its Afroamericans

  • @PHSDM104
    @PHSDM104 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    As a US-born Jamaican, my mom was surprised that I learned about Marcus Garvey in school. She mentioned about how he was a national hero but I never really saw it that way. I always saw him as an extremist.

    • @quanbrooklynkid7776
      @quanbrooklynkid7776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because you are a sellout

    • @JayJay29778
      @JayJay29778 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Can you blame him for being an “extremist” during that time?

    • @whateverwhatever4476
      @whateverwhatever4476 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@JayJay29778it's the meeting with KKK thing for me

    • @booblam6919
      @booblam6919 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Extremely good is acceptable.....Extremely bad is unacceptable. Bushman from Jamaica 🇯🇲

  • @King_Minos64
    @King_Minos64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This guy really trying to become the King of Africa and then everyone would get along lmao. Africa is a diverse place with thousands of cultures with age old rivalries between them. The reductionism of Africa is just baffling. Just because their black doesn’t mean they will get along. That is just an American thing. There is more to Africa than just that they are black.

  • @xhsbh
    @xhsbh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Yo, as a jew, I can assure you there is no "white Moses". At most " brown Moses"

  • @simon38778
    @simon38778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +81

    Now this is going to be controversial but I think this is a bit of an idealised telling of Garvey's story. I think his meeting with a kkk member was more than just a harmless mistake, he basically shares their believe of a completely racially segregated society. Besides he often displayed antisemitism and was highly sceptical of african americans with mixed racial descend, even saying they should be excluded if blacks return to Africa...I highly encourage history channels to teach more about black history but there are better "role models" than Garvey and I feel like his bad and sometimes even authoritarian parts got off a bit too easy.

    • @ff-qf1th
      @ff-qf1th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      YEPPPPPPPP

    • @calvinhoward3808
      @calvinhoward3808 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The US should be racially segregated.

    • @aaanawaleh
      @aaanawaleh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@calvinhoward3808 Are you serious? Glad you're not running the world.

    • @Corndadthepop
      @Corndadthepop 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree. Ironically, he himself argued for a more accurate history to be told regarding the legacy of blacks in America...

    • @reeseling-20
      @reeseling-20 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@calvinhoward3808 you joking?

  • @natethenoble909
    @natethenoble909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As a Jamaican, you have no idea how much this pleases me. The man to start the black power movement, inspired Jesse Jackson, Malcom X, and Martin Luther King Jr, came from this tiny island. Unfortunately he is often relegated to the footnotes of history. I am beyond happy that now, years after his death and his trials and tribulations, he is getting the recognition he deserves.

  • @edpriolo
    @edpriolo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Do you remember when Pharaoh sabotaged the Jewish Red Sea Cruise line?
    How is this guy like Moses?

    • @truetrueevil1
      @truetrueevil1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah I feel they should have got more onto justifying that.....

  • @pvtpain66k
    @pvtpain66k 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Garvey sounds like the inspiration for Killmonger from Black Panther.

  • @mauricioaguilar7227
    @mauricioaguilar7227 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I always appreciate when history channels talk about "Obscure" figures i never heard about. We always heard about Whashington, Alexander or Augustus but how many times about Marcus?

    • @booblam6919
      @booblam6919 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not strong enough....greetings from JAMAICA.

  • @davidcoughlan9016
    @davidcoughlan9016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Marcus Garvey also claimed to have invented facism

  • @FilAnd01
    @FilAnd01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Wasn’t Marcus Garvey the guy who worked with the KKK because he believed Blake people didn’t belong in the US? Genuine question btw, I’m not trying to be a troll

    • @FilAnd01
      @FilAnd01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Ok so I did some searching and why are they making a video about Garvey? He wasn’t exactly a good guy. He wanted Africa to be United under a one party state ruled by him, where they would have had racial purity laws. I’m not going to use the words “fascist” or “nazi” because those weren’t really a thing back then, but he was definitely far right. He was a proponent of ethno-states as well. I’m not saying he was ALL bad, but compared to other civil rights activists such as W.E.B Du Bois he wasn’t great.

    • @FilAnd01
      @FilAnd01 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Oh and also he was an anti semite (blamed Jews for him getting locked up) and hated mixed race people so… yeah. He was also distrustful toward Africans who weren’t super dark, light-skins and the like. Again, I REALLY don’t see why extra credits made a video about Garvey. Maybe they criticise some of his more problematic aspects, I haven’t finished the video, but from what I can find Garvey was a black supremacist who hated Jews, white, and mixed race people, was in favour of political absolutism under himself, was pro segregation, among other things.

    • @woaddragon
      @woaddragon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      All you said is true, but i think a video on Marcus Garvey is important. It show the complexity if not just Black politics, in the US and the Caribbean, but also international as well.
      The way i alway seen it. Black politics has alway been a line between total seperation and intergation and every black political leader in history could be place there. Marcus Gravey represent the extreme end to that.

    • @iapetusmccool
      @iapetusmccool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@FilAnd01 why are they making a video about him? Presumably because he is historically important, and not widely enough known. We've just had a multi-episode about Vlad the Impaled - making a video about someone doesn't mean they think he did nothing wrong.

    • @yuyutaizezetai7079
      @yuyutaizezetai7079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FilAnd01 I think it is more so because he was "influential". Be it for good or ill he was a figure that shaped race relations in the early 20th century. Through his own works or those that worked against him. There is a difference between spreading knowledge about a figure and praising or condeming them. And I think they have avoided crossing those lines here.

  • @bill2178
    @bill2178 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The content and theatrics this channel is unbelievable one of my favorite no my favorite history channel I’ve ever come across

  • @tjoconnell2524
    @tjoconnell2524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Finally!!!! Someone mentions the race riot in east St.Louis. I only leaned about it in school, but now it’s being mentioned on TH-cam and by a channel who does videos on history. By the way, I’m from St.Louis.

  • @dreamproduction9840
    @dreamproduction9840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Another settlement needs our help- Oh wait.

    • @simple-commentator-not-rea7345
      @simple-commentator-not-rea7345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Either Bethesda's insulting the memory of an American Icon, or we're insulting his memory by hearing of him only NOW and all we do is make jokes

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@simple-commentator-not-rea7345the man's a prick

  • @bm6632a
    @bm6632a 3 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    "yeah garvey might have seen eye to eye with the kkk more often than the rest of the civil rights movement, but he wasn't that bad of a guy"

  • @ryanhammond7730
    @ryanhammond7730 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    While he was wrong with how he went about his viewpoints, given the world he grew up in, I can’t necessarily blame him for his views even if I think they’re wrong. Given his life experience it’s logical how he got to the point he did.

  • @deltazeta9712
    @deltazeta9712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    No offense to anyone but this Garvey guy sounds alittle wack. I can respect a man who fights for rights but naming himself a president of a foreign nation/state that he had no claim to. Sounds like an odd man to me.

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As I said this man is smoking some of the finest 20th century crack

  • @louthegiantcookie
    @louthegiantcookie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I couldn't believe that story about him being left in a grave. I mean, I get the lesson his Dad was trying to teach him? But still...that's cold.

    • @dracorex426
      @dracorex426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's a good thing it didn't rain that night.

    • @endless2555
      @endless2555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The lesson was good, but the method was really messed up.

    • @Elizabeththegreatest
      @Elizabeththegreatest 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, what kind of father does that?

    • @zombiewarking
      @zombiewarking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Elizabeththegreatest one who doesn't want his son to be a pussy

    • @octavianjoseph8633
      @octavianjoseph8633 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very cold, indeed.

  • @spartanx9293
    @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    3:21 honestly debois's methods were more effective meeting violence with violence would have only stoked the flames for future race riots and let's face it African Americans were in no position to hold out against such a mob a peacefull approach gains supporters and inspires sympathy while painting a would be racist mob In a bad light

    • @zombiewarking
      @zombiewarking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lol no later on in like Dubois regretted his opposition to Garvey and agreed that Garvey was right.

    • @ff-qf1th
      @ff-qf1th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@zombiewarking Okay? so Dubois became senile as he got older, what's your point?

    • @riverwilhelm-robertson2108
      @riverwilhelm-robertson2108 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ff-qf1th He was far from senile.

    • @Baraborn
      @Baraborn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Americans have the right to defend their lives.

  • @jeffersonagbesi6182
    @jeffersonagbesi6182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    i think you guys should do an Extra History series on Kwame Nkrumah

  • @fizzy8677
    @fizzy8677 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a Jamaican it's amazing to see that Marcus Garvey is receiving attention

  • @Mikebumpful
    @Mikebumpful 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The story of Liberia is probably a good ide for an episode?

  • @TeriasModFaldom
    @TeriasModFaldom 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just as a btw, Why does Media show Moses as white? Moses was of jewish decent (Middle-eastern) and grew up in Egypt, which is in Africa. Yes technically he was not black but he was certainly not the pale men we've seen play him

    • @Oxtocoatl13
      @Oxtocoatl13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Same story with most other Biblical figures. Jesus was Jewish and born in Palestine, just like David and Solomon.

  • @edwardnigma9756
    @edwardnigma9756 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fun fact, for those of you not aware. The black star in many flags are all a reference to his Black Star Line, which became a symbol of the emancipation of Africa, as well as African unity.

  • @erraticonteuse
    @erraticonteuse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Fun fact given the video game roots of this channel: this is who Preston Garvey in Fallout 4 is partly named for. (His first name is after filmmaker Preston Sturges. And yes, that's also where Sturges the mechanic got his name.)

    • @spartanx9293
      @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Preston Garvey doesn't particularly strike me as a dick he is mildly annoying though

  • @davidcamaforte8127
    @davidcamaforte8127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This guy should be not be celebrated. He may have been black but he was a segregationist. You can’t just forgive him and not hold him to the same standards as everyone else. Judge people by the contents of his character not the color of his skin, and his character is not one that I would call a hero’s.

  • @spartanx9293
    @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    3:49 black people are not a monolith a black person in central America is not the same as one living in the northern United States
    And meeting oppression with force will only result in the oppressor meeting you with superior force as well as alienate more pacifistic sympathizers

  • @tavernmasterlone
    @tavernmasterlone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Once I heard Garvey, I had thought that "Another settlement was in need of our help."

  • @Uniquenailsbybrie
    @Uniquenailsbybrie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd love to see more videos like this! My dad is from the Caribbean, he's told me so much history about Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic.
    The native people (Taíno) the colonization of the island, Ponce De Leon, Dr. Cornelius Rhodes and his attempt to sterilize the natives, the shrinking of the sugar cane and farming on the island.

  • @mathy1799
    @mathy1799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wonder why so many of these stand alone episodes are dedicated to the oppression of black people (in the USA). Of course, it is an important and it has been an intentionally overlooked part of history. But there is so much more history to be discussed. Is the underrepresentation of black american history that bad?

    • @Windona
      @Windona 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Think this trend started around the time BLM exploded back in late May 2020. To be blunt, yes the representation is bad. I attended a top tier public school that prided itself on education and never learned about redlining, only knowing about the racial convents placed on houses because my mom mentioned that the original deed to the house I grew up in had one. If you're curious, the book Lies My Teacher Told me goes into it.

  • @jroden06
    @jroden06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Growing up in the southern US, I had no idea who Marcus Garvey was at all. This was incredibly educational and eye opening! Thank you!

  • @rodytalks3989
    @rodytalks3989 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I have the same archetypes of parents I swear to god

  • @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._
    @Noneofyourbusiness_.I._ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hey you guys should do an series on a prominent Hispanic person in history, considering it Hispanic heritage month....

  • @endplanets
    @endplanets 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What killed all my Sims didn't even phase Marcus.

  • @Lokring
    @Lokring 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Some in the African diasporic community regarded him as a pretentious demagogue and were highly critical of his collaboration with white supremacists, his violent rhetoric, and his prejudice against mixed-race people and Jews.
    Wikipedia

  • @spartanx9293
    @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2:26 not gonna happen he is making the common mistake of treating black people like a monolith

    • @mankytoes
      @mankytoes 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You'd only get that from an American, not an African.

  • @kepler9860
    @kepler9860 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thursday upload? This makes my day!!

  • @spartanx9293
    @spartanx9293 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    6:37 they do know not all African natives are black right

  • @alexmazurek18
    @alexmazurek18 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can someone explain to me how the Extra History schedule works?

  • @jorgelotr3752
    @jorgelotr3752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If a man given the absolute leadership of one of the most important law enforcement agencies in the country becomes the personal boogeyman of an entire non-criminal collective, something's very wrong.

    • @BeeBwakka
      @BeeBwakka 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah Hoover was a fucking monster dude, absolute shitstain of a human being

  • @NadirDbouk
    @NadirDbouk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    At this point, there are more comments than views

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    He sounds like a bit of a racist. You can't beat racism with racism. The truth is, there is currently only one race of humans. No one ethnicity is better than any other.

  • @ff-qf1th
    @ff-qf1th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I also love how you completely omitted his racism towards mixed race people, and the fact that he was a huge antisemite. Lovely framing you got there.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Pretty sure they showed him agreeing with the KKK lmao. Everything else just fits there yeah.

    • @robertortiz-wilson1588
      @robertortiz-wilson1588 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah. Sometimes I don't know what's the matter with the writers on this channel...

    • @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif
      @WurrzagsMorkyMischeif 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did he actually think he could rule Africa? He was horribly naive. Im pretty sure an egyptian and a south african wouldn't exactly see each other as brothers. They'd be as alien to each other as the Europeans

  • @markhargreaves1069
    @markhargreaves1069 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So if he never got out of that grave he would have died? Damn I thought Caribbean parents were strict but that was wow different.

  • @vitordan23
    @vitordan23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I once met a descendant of Marcus while visiting Boston, he marked another settlement on my map that needed my help. We shot crabs together.

  • @NoName-hg6cc
    @NoName-hg6cc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Teaching self reliance to your son
    A) Give him some money and tell him he need to buy his own food and that the next time he might have to work for it
    B) Abandon him in a grave until he can climb out

  • @chrisleigh5009
    @chrisleigh5009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, why is he the Black Moses? He didn't seem to get many people much of anywhere...

    • @AleksoLaĈevalo999
      @AleksoLaĈevalo999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Moses spoke of Canaan the promised land of Israelites
      Garvey spoke of Africa, the promised land of Blacks
      That's the connection. Both were kinda religious given how Garvey inspired Rastafarianism.

  • @phoeniximperator
    @phoeniximperator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    do one on King John II of Portugal pretty please

  • @mistaidgaf9166
    @mistaidgaf9166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Eff J Edgar Hoover
    We need a EC on him

  • @Drake844221
    @Drake844221 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The name Marcus Garvey was nagging at me a bit... like something familiar that I couldn't place. But then I realized what I recognized the name from. It's the name of one of the Rastafarian ships in the book Neuromancer. Never knew any of the context behind the name, but I'm really happy to know more about Marcus.

  • @thetechguychannel
    @thetechguychannel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jamaica is actually a pretty based country now. It has major challenges, sure, but the people I've meet there were extraordinarily connected with realities of life that the lofty people back in my home country have become detached from in their cities.

  • @mistaidgaf9166
    @mistaidgaf9166 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    We need a Malcolm X and Kwame Nkrumah EC series too

  • @scribejay
    @scribejay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Such an audacious claim as "King of Africa" reminds me that y'all should do an episode on Joshua Norton, self proclaimed "Emperor of the United States" and "Protector of Mexico".

  • @GraphiteHeart
    @GraphiteHeart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    My husband saw me watching this. The few audio details he recognized the video was about Garvey. Apparently his family is related to Garvey by marriage (second cousin). A wonderful thing for our future children to learn of.

  • @EmporerAaron
    @EmporerAaron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I almost read it as "Preston Garvey" since I was playing Fallout 4.

  • @yitzhakkornbluth2554
    @yitzhakkornbluth2554 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Another thing he had in common with the KKK: Both were highly antisemitic.

  • @myboy5194
    @myboy5194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I hope you guys are going to do a series on MLK jr soon I’ve been waiting for that one for a while now

  • @zoidsfan12
    @zoidsfan12 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think that the most ironic thing was that the dude found like mindedness from the kkk. I dunno, it always seems so backwards to fight prejudice with more prejudice. I realize it wasn't out of nowhere, but a reaction to the situation, but so is any extremist ideology.
    Glad you covered this dude though because it's honestly a part of history that will get glossed over for the exact stuff I'm talking about. Dude was controversial especially from today's standards, but it's good to have a voice no matter how controversial it is.
    I do find it funny that my dude had no idea about how complex the ethnic groups of Africa are though. He would be quite disappointed if he had somehow got his way.

  • @mxshogun92
    @mxshogun92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Do Haile Selassie next

    • @mxshogun92
      @mxshogun92 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If they do Haile Selassie, i be come a top patriot

  • @agrainofrice9274
    @agrainofrice9274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The more I look at this video, the more I start thinking this guy was black hitler

    • @pendremacherald6758
      @pendremacherald6758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah. Him and Malcolm X both.

    • @Hawkatana
      @Hawkatana 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@pendremacherald6758 Garvey yes, Malcom X no.

    • @pendremacherald6758
      @pendremacherald6758 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hawkatana you can at least grant me the fact that Marcus Garvey is the anti-Joshua Norton.

  • @wastedspam385
    @wastedspam385 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Monarchy in exile" huh? Someone took "we wuz kangs" a bit too literal :P
    But yeah, funny that, its not a democracy in exile.

  • @JuanGomez_rz
    @JuanGomez_rz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I hope to see the lies episode of this man, because they're so many red flags here. Because I'm sensing an air of idealization when it shouldn't be the case.

    • @BeeBwakka
      @BeeBwakka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Individual episodes don't get Lies so don't get your hopes up

    • @truetrueevil1
      @truetrueevil1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I had a lot of the same thoughts..... there seems to be a lot of story here and this felt quite grandstanding. His cruise line only failed due to saboteurs man! that sounds like an incredible story

  • @Damage_r
    @Damage_r 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Wait didn’t he call himself the first fascist.

  • @garlicgirl3149
    @garlicgirl3149 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    We all have strengths and weaknesses but can still do good for the now and future!

  • @theetravelhippie
    @theetravelhippie 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank you for this digestible history

  • @patrickkalonde6045
    @patrickkalonde6045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great video. I like the description of Garveys childhood

  • @NathanS__
    @NathanS__ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If you're going to do it, might as well push to be Emperor of Black People. Go big or go home.

    • @Flyingclam
      @Flyingclam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Literally the "We Wuz Kangz meme"
      What a joke to civil rights

  • @avi4215
    @avi4215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EXTRA HISTORY COVERING JAMAICAN STUFF?%?^? IM IN HEAVEN

  • @krisskaron198
    @krisskaron198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He sounds like the kind of guy to ask for my help with a settlement

  • @SigKyle-pm4fb
    @SigKyle-pm4fb 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Only by living in your own land and being ruled by your own kind will you truly be free... Garvey knew that!

  • @dracorex426
    @dracorex426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm sorry he met with WHO?

    • @AleksoLaĈevalo999
      @AleksoLaĈevalo999 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hagrid: You're a wizard Harry!
      Harry: What? But I can't be, I'm not racist.

  • @endo_kun_da
    @endo_kun_da 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing character to pick up on! Very interesting story.

  • @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17
    @Wolfiyeethegranddukecerberus17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jamaican here, yeah we learned alot of this stuff in second grade XD

    • @toniyami
      @toniyami 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don't remember the part about segregationist views or meeting with the KKK. Must have been added after I left.

  • @utkarshjain3817
    @utkarshjain3817 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks!

  • @LandoCalani404
    @LandoCalani404 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Unification of Italy

  • @tahitimangoes9153
    @tahitimangoes9153 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I stopped listening to the masoism tango for this, it was worth it.

    • @erraticonteuse
      @erraticonteuse 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      A choice between Extra History and Tom Lehrer is not an easy one, and I can't judge you for your decision.

  • @jay12120
    @jay12120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video. Garvey would still be ahead of his time if he was alive today

  • @maxpower2480
    @maxpower2480 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's always puzzling to me when conservatives within democracy are trying to overpolice "radical" political believes, when democracy was once considered just that.

  • @UmQasaann
    @UmQasaann ปีที่แล้ว +2

    W. E. B. Du Bois>Marcus Garvey

  • @jarihoogendoorn5823
    @jarihoogendoorn5823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fun fact: when birds eat berry's they dont bite the seed

  • @archon3715
    @archon3715 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    More episodes!!

  • @xangel95201
    @xangel95201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a Jamaican this was a pleasant surprise to see one of our national hero's on this channel. I've always wanted to see more of our stories in extra history...

    • @ff-qf1th
      @ff-qf1th 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How do you feel about his antisemetism? do you find that aspect of him heroic?

    • @octavianjoseph8633
      @octavianjoseph8633 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ff-qf1th I suppose he's the best they've got in terms of national heroes.