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"Emperor of Africa" Considering how many different cultures are in Africa, that would work about as well as an "Emperor of Europe" or an "Emperor of Asia".
Funny you mention that, since Garvey held varying opinions on Haile Selassie in his life. First praising him as a leader of an independent african nation, and then criticising him for what he considered unpreparedness during the italian invasion of Ethiopia
Wow. I never knew Marcus Garvey’s dad made him crawl out of that grave. Like I know it’s important to teach self reliance but that could’ve gone wrong in many ways
They spin it as if it's some inspirational origin story but no. That's abuse. You could teach that lesson literally any other way except leaving your kid to pull himself out of a grave.
heh. you should check out some of the letters anna von ritz has sent out over the years. She claims to have dissolved the US and a bunch of other entities, and sends letters to the UN and Pope about it.
I feel like many of these black nationalist movement or black activist in America has an orientalistic image of Africa and its people. They seem to think that Africans are some sort of homogenous group of people that share a glorious past.
This is not a complaint, but i was hoping to hear about his connection to Rastafarianism. I remember hearing he said that the first leader of a free African nation was the second coming. Since Ethiopia was never fully conquered by Italy, Haile Selassie, was said to be this person and Rastafarianism took its name from Emporer Selassie's pre coronation name Tafari Makonnen. Does anyone know if Garvey actually said this?
Yes, it’s true. Marcus said look to Africa for a leader. In 1920, “ Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned, for the day of deliverance is at hand." Rastafari attached Halle to this statement and thought it referred to Halle 10 years later.
I don't know if Garvey said this but I find this fascinating since Emperor Selassie was a staunch religious Christian. I am not sure he would have liked being seen as some messiah. I wonder if he even knew about Rastafarianism.
@@rivera229 he knew but probably just viewed it as just having more subjects and could use it for economic gain. Unfortunately his communist generals had other plans.
I’m really glad Marcus Garvey is getting some attention. I wish they talked about him more (if at all) in schools. While I strongly disagree with his segregationist and racist views I think is a figure who is not talked about enough. EDIT: For the people who are asking "What racist views?" Allow me to explain. Garvey was a big proponent of keeping the races separate. This was to the degree that he even had a secret meeting with Edward Young Clarke, the then leader of the KKK, in June of 1922. This greatly enraged many people and contributed to the "Garvey must Go" campaign that had been going on at the time.
I seem to recall hearing about him just recently from the Netflix show about Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The name seemed familiar though. I might have heard of him before, but if I did I had since forgotten. Yeah, he seemed to be a bit of extremist. He probably met with the Grand Wizard of the KKK because they both had the goal of the separation of the races, so to me his organization just seems to be a black version of the KKK. I can understand the other civil rights leaders having issues with him.
The split between Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm x was in large part due to Elijahs jealously of Malcolms high profile and popularity alongside the fact that Elijah had several extramarital children with teenage girls which Malcolm saw as hypocritical.
Yeah, like it's true that the FBI was integral in bringing the split to bear, but the way it's presented in this video makes it seem like Malcolm X wouldn't have split otherwise which I doubt, given his revelations while on the Hajj and genuine disapproval of Elijah Muhammed's hypocrisy.
I'm glad this episode didn't shy away from calling Marcus Garvey a segregationist, and drawing the comparison between their ideas of separatism, and how they mirrored, in certain capacities, the Ku Klux Klan's. While Civil Rights is a just cause to fight for, it is important to remember that not everyone's approach to fighting oppression is the correct one, especially when it leads to recreating that oppression.
@@zombiewarking Are you suggesting that we not evaluate the actions of people in the past? We shouldn't hold even people we'd consider our heroes as above scrutiny.
@@zombiewarkingDude literally called himself a fucking faschist, like cmon. You're free to pass any judgement especially on someone who held so many morally wrong views.
He also proclaimed himself and his followers the first true fascists, further saying that Mussolini and the Italians stole the ideology from him. So, yeah, seems legit.
@@blackpenman yeah it's not going to be taken so kindly, we see this already with protest and riots against nigerian immigrants in south Africa. Millions of people from different ethnicities/cultures moving into a third world nation/nations. Will cuase some resentment, especially when the nations are going through internal ethnic tensions.
Always been of two minds on Garvey. On one hand Garvey's goals of pride, resisting oppression and fighting injustice are of course good and necessary and he has inspired many. But on the on the other, his ideas of promoting violent action and racial segregation were morally wrong and counter-productive. A society based on racial segregation, for any reason, is racist by its very definition, and inevitably leads to injustice. No person should be unwelcome anywhere or forced to live somewhere simply because of their race or ethnicity. And while I'm not an expert on Africa, I know it's a very diverse continent, so pan-Africanism strikes me as strange as pan-Europeanism.
I understand Black separatists, though I vehemently disagree with them. But especially back when segregation was the legal reality for much of the African diaspora, I get just throwing up your hands and saying essentially, "you're not *making* me live separately, I *want* to! And we're going to have blackjack! And hookers!" By the same token, it's why I try not to judge white people of the past too harshly who believed that the best solution to abolishing slavery also involved deporting African-Americans "back to Africa" (even though most of them were born in the US). Because for many of the "colonizationists", it was rooted in compassion, albeit an oversimplified Band-Aid solution to the very real problem of discrimination. Even after the Civil War, President Grant tried to buy what's now the Dominican Republic to be a majority black state for any black people who wanted to move there. It would have had full statehood and everything, he just wanted there to be one place in the United States where black people didn't have to make a stand every day simply to go about their lives and exercise their basic rights.
wow that meeting with the Klan wizard... they really weren't kidding about his "monumental confidence". Always facsinating to hear about more obsure figures in the civil rights movement and Extra Credits' storytelling just makes it that much better!
This is what I come to Extra Credits for, I remember this guy being a footnote in my high school history book and I'm amazed at how many details that footnote missed which totally change how I see Marcus Garvey
I remember my history books being something like "there was Marcus Garvey, who was wack, there was Booker T., who was less wack, and there was W.E.B. DuBois, who got it right."
As a US-born Jamaican, my mom was surprised that I learned about Marcus Garvey in school. She mentioned about how he was a national hero but I never really saw it that way. I always saw him as an extremist.
As a Jamaican, you have no idea how much this pleases me. The man to start the black power movement, inspired Jesse Jackson, Malcom X, and Martin Luther King Jr, came from this tiny island. Unfortunately he is often relegated to the footnotes of history. I am beyond happy that now, years after his death and his trials and tribulations, he is getting the recognition he deserves.
I always appreciate when history channels talk about "Obscure" figures i never heard about. We always heard about Whashington, Alexander or Augustus but how many times about Marcus?
This guy really trying to become the King of Africa and then everyone would get along lmao. Africa is a diverse place with thousands of cultures with age old rivalries between them. The reductionism of Africa is just baffling. Just because their black doesn’t mean they will get along. That is just an American thing. There is more to Africa than just that they are black.
Now this is going to be controversial but I think this is a bit of an idealised telling of Garvey's story. I think his meeting with a kkk member was more than just a harmless mistake, he basically shares their believe of a completely racially segregated society. Besides he often displayed antisemitism and was highly sceptical of african americans with mixed racial descend, even saying they should be excluded if blacks return to Africa...I highly encourage history channels to teach more about black history but there are better "role models" than Garvey and I feel like his bad and sometimes even authoritarian parts got off a bit too easy.
Fun fact, for those of you not aware. The black star in many flags are all a reference to his Black Star Line, which became a symbol of the emancipation of Africa, as well as African unity.
While he was wrong with how he went about his viewpoints, given the world he grew up in, I can’t necessarily blame him for his views even if I think they’re wrong. Given his life experience it’s logical how he got to the point he did.
Finally!!!! Someone mentions the race riot in east St.Louis. I only leaned about it in school, but now it’s being mentioned on TH-cam and by a channel who does videos on history. By the way, I’m from St.Louis.
Some in the African diasporic community regarded him as a pretentious demagogue and were highly critical of his collaboration with white supremacists, his violent rhetoric, and his prejudice against mixed-race people and Jews. Wikipedia
I'd love to see more videos like this! My dad is from the Caribbean, he's told me so much history about Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic. The native people (Taíno) the colonization of the island, Ponce De Leon, Dr. Cornelius Rhodes and his attempt to sterilize the natives, the shrinking of the sugar cane and farming on the island.
Wasn’t Marcus Garvey the guy who worked with the KKK because he believed Blake people didn’t belong in the US? Genuine question btw, I’m not trying to be a troll
Ok so I did some searching and why are they making a video about Garvey? He wasn’t exactly a good guy. He wanted Africa to be United under a one party state ruled by him, where they would have had racial purity laws. I’m not going to use the words “fascist” or “nazi” because those weren’t really a thing back then, but he was definitely far right. He was a proponent of ethno-states as well. I’m not saying he was ALL bad, but compared to other civil rights activists such as W.E.B Du Bois he wasn’t great.
Oh and also he was an anti semite (blamed Jews for him getting locked up) and hated mixed race people so… yeah. He was also distrustful toward Africans who weren’t super dark, light-skins and the like. Again, I REALLY don’t see why extra credits made a video about Garvey. Maybe they criticise some of his more problematic aspects, I haven’t finished the video, but from what I can find Garvey was a black supremacist who hated Jews, white, and mixed race people, was in favour of political absolutism under himself, was pro segregation, among other things.
All you said is true, but i think a video on Marcus Garvey is important. It show the complexity if not just Black politics, in the US and the Caribbean, but also international as well. The way i alway seen it. Black politics has alway been a line between total seperation and intergation and every black political leader in history could be place there. Marcus Gravey represent the extreme end to that.
@@FilAnd01 why are they making a video about him? Presumably because he is historically important, and not widely enough known. We've just had a multi-episode about Vlad the Impaled - making a video about someone doesn't mean they think he did nothing wrong.
@@FilAnd01 I think it is more so because he was "influential". Be it for good or ill he was a figure that shaped race relations in the early 20th century. Through his own works or those that worked against him. There is a difference between spreading knowledge about a figure and praising or condeming them. And I think they have avoided crossing those lines here.
Fun fact given the video game roots of this channel: this is who Preston Garvey in Fallout 4 is partly named for. (His first name is after filmmaker Preston Sturges. And yes, that's also where Sturges the mechanic got his name.)
Did he actually think he could rule Africa? He was horribly naive. Im pretty sure an egyptian and a south african wouldn't exactly see each other as brothers. They'd be as alien to each other as the Europeans
Jamaica is actually a pretty based country now. It has major challenges, sure, but the people I've meet there were extraordinarily connected with realities of life that the lofty people back in my home country have become detached from in their cities.
The name Marcus Garvey was nagging at me a bit... like something familiar that I couldn't place. But then I realized what I recognized the name from. It's the name of one of the Rastafarian ships in the book Neuromancer. Never knew any of the context behind the name, but I'm really happy to know more about Marcus.
This guy should be not be celebrated. He may have been black but he was a segregationist. You can’t just forgive him and not hold him to the same standards as everyone else. Judge people by the contents of his character not the color of his skin, and his character is not one that I would call a hero’s.
Just as a btw, Why does Media show Moses as white? Moses was of jewish decent (Middle-eastern) and grew up in Egypt, which is in Africa. Yes technically he was not black but he was certainly not the pale men we've seen play him
No offense to anyone but this Garvey guy sounds alittle wack. I can respect a man who fights for rights but naming himself a president of a foreign nation/state that he had no claim to. Sounds like an odd man to me.
If a man given the absolute leadership of one of the most important law enforcement agencies in the country becomes the personal boogeyman of an entire non-criminal collective, something's very wrong.
My husband saw me watching this. The few audio details he recognized the video was about Garvey. Apparently his family is related to Garvey by marriage (second cousin). A wonderful thing for our future children to learn of.
Teaching self reliance to your son A) Give him some money and tell him he need to buy his own food and that the next time he might have to work for it B) Abandon him in a grave until he can climb out
Moses spoke of Canaan the promised land of Israelites Garvey spoke of Africa, the promised land of Blacks That's the connection. Both were kinda religious given how Garvey inspired Rastafarianism.
I think that the most ironic thing was that the dude found like mindedness from the kkk. I dunno, it always seems so backwards to fight prejudice with more prejudice. I realize it wasn't out of nowhere, but a reaction to the situation, but so is any extremist ideology. Glad you covered this dude though because it's honestly a part of history that will get glossed over for the exact stuff I'm talking about. Dude was controversial especially from today's standards, but it's good to have a voice no matter how controversial it is. I do find it funny that my dude had no idea about how complex the ethnic groups of Africa are though. He would be quite disappointed if he had somehow got his way.
while I may not agree with all this man's methods I do respect the trail he blazed so that others could pick up the torch and continue the struggle to this day we truly stand on the shoulders of giants a shame we don't talk more about guys like this in traditional schools
3:21 honestly debois's methods were more effective meeting violence with violence would have only stoked the flames for future race riots and let's face it African Americans were in no position to hold out against such a mob a peacefull approach gains supporters and inspires sympathy while painting a would be racist mob In a bad light
Marcus Garvey is such an interesting figure. I am critical of Marcus Garvey for being an anti-Socialist and willingness to give the Klan the time of day. At the same time, Garvey was a man of his time who had witnessed abuse of black people, which was everywhere. Even in Africa, the white minority abused the black majority. Marcus Garvey becoming the man that he did, was only a matter of time. I don't really like his politics, and if I am being honest one can even say that Garvey was a reactionary. But he was also the most vocal on black self-defense, something that any normal human being should support just as much as marches. Garvey is a complex individual and I am glad to see a video of him from you guys.
3:49 black people are not a monolith a black person in central America is not the same as one living in the northern United States And meeting oppression with force will only result in the oppressor meeting you with superior force as well as alienate more pacifistic sympathizers
I wonder why so many of these stand alone episodes are dedicated to the oppression of black people (in the USA). Of course, it is an important and it has been an intentionally overlooked part of history. But there is so much more history to be discussed. Is the underrepresentation of black american history that bad?
Think this trend started around the time BLM exploded back in late May 2020. To be blunt, yes the representation is bad. I attended a top tier public school that prided itself on education and never learned about redlining, only knowing about the racial convents placed on houses because my mom mentioned that the original deed to the house I grew up in had one. If you're curious, the book Lies My Teacher Told me goes into it.
It's always puzzling to me when conservatives within democracy are trying to overpolice "radical" political believes, when democracy was once considered just that.
Such an audacious claim as "King of Africa" reminds me that y'all should do an episode on Joshua Norton, self proclaimed "Emperor of the United States" and "Protector of Mexico".
Garvey also designed a flag for his "African kingdom". It's now the flag of Ghana, and many other modern African nations based their own flag design on Garvey's.
The facts I learned about Marcus from a interview with “the most racist man in America” giving this man respect give you everything you need to know about how respected Marcus was
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Hallo
Great episode
I love your amazing videos!
:D
“Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned for the day of deliverance is near!” Marcus Garvey
Extra Credits, are some bad (as in good) dudes.
Thanx for the knowledge.
"Emperor of Africa"
Considering how many different cultures are in Africa, that would work about as well as an "Emperor of Europe" or an "Emperor of Asia".
Genghis Khan: hold my goat yoghurt
Yeah, and Garvey was literally a self-proclaimed fascist lmao.
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@@colemanscollard2207 He said that the Italians stole fascism from him lol
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Garvey: “I am the Emperor of Africa!”
Ethiopia, which already had an Emperor at the time: “Excuse me?!”
This from the guy who was saying colonialism was bad.
Funny you mention that, since Garvey held varying opinions on Haile Selassie in his life. First praising him as a leader of an independent african nation, and then criticising him for what he considered unpreparedness during the italian invasion of Ethiopia
Yes, Halie Selassie would have had something to say about THAT!
Ethiopia was a slavery country at that time...
@@filippocassano9753 please elaborate
Wow. I never knew Marcus Garvey’s dad made him crawl out of that grave. Like I know it’s important to teach self reliance but that could’ve gone wrong in many ways
They spin it as if it's some inspirational origin story but no. That's abuse. You could teach that lesson literally any other way except leaving your kid to pull himself out of a grave.
Wrong in many ways? I can only think of the grave collapsing.
“Good news Dad: I now know the importance of self-reliance.”
“Bad news: I now have extreme trust issues.”
He's a free mason. Its an initiation.
@@raatibanderson6878 based anon
Imagine being the UN and some american sends you a petition to legitimise his claim to be the king of all of Africa.
one Day I might
heh. you should check out some of the letters anna von ritz has sent out over the years. She claims to have dissolved the US and a bunch of other entities, and sends letters to the UN and Pope about it.
it will be so fun
or even some Jamaican
he wasn't American
To me, that wasn't a lesson in self reliance. That was a lesson on trust. His father taught him to trust no one.
Be paranoid
MAYBE…. HE SEEMED A BIT OF A VEX…. PLUS A HORRIBLE TIME TO EXIST AS A AFRICAN
Just like John D Rockefeller.
And yet he went on to trust too much.
I feel like many of these black nationalist movement or black activist in America has an orientalistic image of Africa and its people. They seem to think that Africans are some sort of homogenous group of people that share a glorious past.
Shut up
@@quanbrooklynkid7776 strike a nerve good
He was horribly naive. Im pretty sure an egyptian and a south african wouldn't see each other as brothers
As a Jamaican I'm proud you're covering someone from our history
its a shame that the beautifull countries of the south and central america are completely destroyed do to corruption.
a praise from Brazil
He was president of where again ??
@Robert Sears no
A national hero and Rasta prophet!
Same here
This is not a complaint, but i was hoping to hear about his connection to Rastafarianism. I remember hearing he said that the first leader of a free African nation was the second coming. Since Ethiopia was never fully conquered by Italy, Haile Selassie, was said to be this person and Rastafarianism took its name from Emporer Selassie's pre coronation name Tafari Makonnen. Does anyone know if Garvey actually said this?
Yes, it’s true. Marcus said look to Africa for a leader.
In 1920, “ Look to Africa, when a black king shall be crowned, for the day of deliverance is at hand." Rastafari attached Halle to this statement and thought it referred to Halle 10 years later.
I don't know if Garvey said this but I find this fascinating since Emperor Selassie was a staunch religious Christian. I am not sure he would have liked being seen as some messiah. I wonder if he even knew about Rastafarianism.
@@rivera229 he know, and while not hostile towards them, he was not a fan of the Rastafarians
@@DarkLordOfSweden What? He especially visited Jamaica in the 1960's because of the following he had there
@@rivera229 he knew but probably just viewed it as just having more subjects and could use it for economic gain. Unfortunately his communist generals had other plans.
I’m really glad Marcus Garvey is getting some attention. I wish they talked about him more (if at all) in schools. While I strongly disagree with his segregationist and racist views I think is a figure who is not talked about enough.
EDIT: For the people who are asking "What racist views?" Allow me to explain. Garvey was a big proponent of keeping the races separate. This was to the degree that he even had a secret meeting with Edward Young Clarke, the then leader of the KKK, in June of 1922. This greatly enraged many people and contributed to the "Garvey must Go" campaign that had been going on at the time.
I definitely think integration is the way to go, but I appreciate this channel and crash course going over black history even in the off-season
It's okay to be racist separatist.
I seem to recall hearing about him just recently from the Netflix show about Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali. The name seemed familiar though. I might have heard of him before, but if I did I had since forgotten. Yeah, he seemed to be a bit of extremist. He probably met with the Grand Wizard of the KKK because they both had the goal of the separation of the races, so to me his organization just seems to be a black version of the KKK. I can understand the other civil rights leaders having issues with him.
It’s kinda interesting how Garvey’s mindset of segregation and retaliation is still felt today
I would love if people talked more critically about him.
The title has given me flashbacks to high school history. Glad to get a more in depth biography.
Really? What school book did you learn about Marcus Garvey?
@@MrJaccTrippa not school book just part of the civil rights topic in school. Went to high school in scotland if that answers your question.
Well it must've been in a school book but I have no clue. Whatever textbook was given to scottish students in 2017
I learned of him too, not as much
as in this short video. Shame.
The split between Elijah Muhammad and Malcolm x was in large part due to Elijahs jealously of Malcolms high profile and popularity alongside the fact that Elijah had several extramarital children with teenage girls which Malcolm saw as hypocritical.
It was also about NOI theology vs Orthodox Sunni Islam
Also Elijah Muhammad was a racist who used Islam for his black supermacy which goes against the teaching of prophet Muhammad (swt)
Yeah, like it's true that the FBI was integral in bringing the split to bear, but the way it's presented in this video makes it seem like Malcolm X wouldn't have split otherwise which I doubt, given his revelations while on the Hajj and genuine disapproval of Elijah Muhammed's hypocrisy.
Wrong
He wasn't wrong!
I'm glad this episode didn't shy away from calling Marcus Garvey a segregationist, and drawing the comparison between their ideas of separatism, and how they mirrored, in certain capacities, the Ku Klux Klan's. While Civil Rights is a just cause to fight for, it is important to remember that not everyone's approach to fighting oppression is the correct one, especially when it leads to recreating that oppression.
Who are you in 2021 to pass judgment on how Marcus chose to fight oppression
@@zombiewarking Are you suggesting that we not evaluate the actions of people in the past? We shouldn't hold even people we'd consider our heroes as above scrutiny.
@@zombiewarkingDude literally called himself a fucking faschist, like cmon. You're free to pass any judgement especially on someone who held so many morally wrong views.
@@badreddinekasmi8919 shut up
@@quanbrooklynkid7776 Ah yes quite the academic response friend
"Colonialism is bad! That's why I'm going to move a bunch of people into Africa against the wishes of the locals!"
Seems legit.
He also proclaimed himself and his followers the first true fascists, further saying that Mussolini and the Italians stole the ideology from him.
So, yeah, seems legit.
Problem?
@@this_is_patrick again problem?
A bunch of people of African descent back to their ancestral home continent. This is an intentional misrepresentation of Garvey's ideas.
@@blackpenman yeah it's not going to be taken so kindly, we see this already with protest and riots against nigerian immigrants in south Africa. Millions of people from different ethnicities/cultures moving into a third world nation/nations. Will cuase some resentment, especially when the nations are going through internal ethnic tensions.
Always been of two minds on Garvey. On one hand Garvey's goals of pride, resisting oppression and fighting injustice are of course good and necessary and he has inspired many. But on the on the other, his ideas of promoting violent action and racial segregation were morally wrong and counter-productive.
A society based on racial segregation, for any reason, is racist by its very definition, and inevitably leads to injustice. No person should be unwelcome anywhere or forced to live somewhere simply because of their race or ethnicity.
And while I'm not an expert on Africa, I know it's a very diverse continent, so pan-Africanism strikes me as strange as pan-Europeanism.
I understand Black separatists, though I vehemently disagree with them. But especially back when segregation was the legal reality for much of the African diaspora, I get just throwing up your hands and saying essentially, "you're not *making* me live separately, I *want* to! And we're going to have blackjack! And hookers!"
By the same token, it's why I try not to judge white people of the past too harshly who believed that the best solution to abolishing slavery also involved deporting African-Americans "back to Africa" (even though most of them were born in the US). Because for many of the "colonizationists", it was rooted in compassion, albeit an oversimplified Band-Aid solution to the very real problem of discrimination. Even after the Civil War, President Grant tried to buy what's now the Dominican Republic to be a majority black state for any black people who wanted to move there. It would have had full statehood and everything, he just wanted there to be one place in the United States where black people didn't have to make a stand every day simply to go about their lives and exercise their basic rights.
@@erraticonteuse As a Dominican, this is _incredibly_ amusing
No
@@erraticonteuse damn
No, its exactly what uS is doing to its Afroamericans
Certainly not without controversy, but he does sound like a fascinating individual.
Agreed
I mean, the person who essentially founded a religion venerating an emperor as God incarnate is going to at the very least be interesting
He is a great individual with a shadow of a doubt !!!
Controversial how?
wow that meeting with the Klan wizard... they really weren't kidding about his "monumental confidence".
Always facsinating to hear about more obsure figures in the civil rights movement and Extra Credits' storytelling just makes it that much better!
The fact that the wizard even gave Garvey the time of day is amazing!
Would love to know more about that meeting
The way he went from colonised to coloniser with that UN thing.
Were you paying attention he never became a colonizer
Time will reveal all truth
This is what I come to Extra Credits for, I remember this guy being a footnote in my high school history book and I'm amazed at how many details that footnote missed which totally change how I see Marcus Garvey
I remember my history books being something like "there was Marcus Garvey, who was wack, there was Booker T., who was less wack, and there was W.E.B. DuBois, who got it right."
This video also missed some important details! Like the fact that Marcus Garvey hated mixed race and jewish people.
@@ff-qf1th Yep.
As a US-born Jamaican, my mom was surprised that I learned about Marcus Garvey in school. She mentioned about how he was a national hero but I never really saw it that way. I always saw him as an extremist.
Because you are a sellout
Can you blame him for being an “extremist” during that time?
@@JayJay29778it's the meeting with KKK thing for me
Extremely good is acceptable.....Extremely bad is unacceptable. Bushman from Jamaica 🇯🇲
@@whateverwhatever4476 we talking about deep south even if it was government officials their good chance he was klanmen anyway
As a Jamaican, you have no idea how much this pleases me. The man to start the black power movement, inspired Jesse Jackson, Malcom X, and Martin Luther King Jr, came from this tiny island. Unfortunately he is often relegated to the footnotes of history. I am beyond happy that now, years after his death and his trials and tribulations, he is getting the recognition he deserves.
I always appreciate when history channels talk about "Obscure" figures i never heard about. We always heard about Whashington, Alexander or Augustus but how many times about Marcus?
Not strong enough....greetings from JAMAICA.
This guy really trying to become the King of Africa and then everyone would get along lmao. Africa is a diverse place with thousands of cultures with age old rivalries between them. The reductionism of Africa is just baffling. Just because their black doesn’t mean they will get along. That is just an American thing. There is more to Africa than just that they are black.
He wasn't from the USA.
Garvey sounds like the inspiration for Killmonger from Black Panther.
Now this is going to be controversial but I think this is a bit of an idealised telling of Garvey's story. I think his meeting with a kkk member was more than just a harmless mistake, he basically shares their believe of a completely racially segregated society. Besides he often displayed antisemitism and was highly sceptical of african americans with mixed racial descend, even saying they should be excluded if blacks return to Africa...I highly encourage history channels to teach more about black history but there are better "role models" than Garvey and I feel like his bad and sometimes even authoritarian parts got off a bit too easy.
YEPPPPPPPP
The US should be racially segregated.
@@calvinhoward3808 Are you serious? Glad you're not running the world.
I agree. Ironically, he himself argued for a more accurate history to be told regarding the legacy of blacks in America...
@@calvinhoward3808 you joking?
Fun fact, for those of you not aware. The black star in many flags are all a reference to his Black Star Line, which became a symbol of the emancipation of Africa, as well as African unity.
"yeah garvey might have seen eye to eye with the kkk more often than the rest of the civil rights movement, but he wasn't that bad of a guy"
The content and theatrics this channel is unbelievable one of my favorite no my favorite history channel I’ve ever come across
Marcus Garvey also claimed to have invented facism
While he was wrong with how he went about his viewpoints, given the world he grew up in, I can’t necessarily blame him for his views even if I think they’re wrong. Given his life experience it’s logical how he got to the point he did.
Finally!!!! Someone mentions the race riot in east St.Louis. I only leaned about it in school, but now it’s being mentioned on TH-cam and by a channel who does videos on history. By the way, I’m from St.Louis.
I couldn't believe that story about him being left in a grave. I mean, I get the lesson his Dad was trying to teach him? But still...that's cold.
It's a good thing it didn't rain that night.
The lesson was good, but the method was really messed up.
Yes, what kind of father does that?
@@Elizabeththegreatest one who doesn't want his son to be a pussy
Very cold, indeed.
Do you remember when Pharaoh sabotaged the Jewish Red Sea Cruise line?
How is this guy like Moses?
Yeah I feel they should have got more onto justifying that.....
As a Jamaican it's amazing to see that Marcus Garvey is receiving attention
Some in the African diasporic community regarded him as a pretentious demagogue and were highly critical of his collaboration with white supremacists, his violent rhetoric, and his prejudice against mixed-race people and Jews.
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Another settlement needs our help- Oh wait.
Either Bethesda's insulting the memory of an American Icon, or we're insulting his memory by hearing of him only NOW and all we do is make jokes
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345the man's a prick
I'd love to see more videos like this! My dad is from the Caribbean, he's told me so much history about Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic.
The native people (Taíno) the colonization of the island, Ponce De Leon, Dr. Cornelius Rhodes and his attempt to sterilize the natives, the shrinking of the sugar cane and farming on the island.
Wasn’t Marcus Garvey the guy who worked with the KKK because he believed Blake people didn’t belong in the US? Genuine question btw, I’m not trying to be a troll
Ok so I did some searching and why are they making a video about Garvey? He wasn’t exactly a good guy. He wanted Africa to be United under a one party state ruled by him, where they would have had racial purity laws. I’m not going to use the words “fascist” or “nazi” because those weren’t really a thing back then, but he was definitely far right. He was a proponent of ethno-states as well. I’m not saying he was ALL bad, but compared to other civil rights activists such as W.E.B Du Bois he wasn’t great.
Oh and also he was an anti semite (blamed Jews for him getting locked up) and hated mixed race people so… yeah. He was also distrustful toward Africans who weren’t super dark, light-skins and the like. Again, I REALLY don’t see why extra credits made a video about Garvey. Maybe they criticise some of his more problematic aspects, I haven’t finished the video, but from what I can find Garvey was a black supremacist who hated Jews, white, and mixed race people, was in favour of political absolutism under himself, was pro segregation, among other things.
All you said is true, but i think a video on Marcus Garvey is important. It show the complexity if not just Black politics, in the US and the Caribbean, but also international as well.
The way i alway seen it. Black politics has alway been a line between total seperation and intergation and every black political leader in history could be place there. Marcus Gravey represent the extreme end to that.
@@FilAnd01 why are they making a video about him? Presumably because he is historically important, and not widely enough known. We've just had a multi-episode about Vlad the Impaled - making a video about someone doesn't mean they think he did nothing wrong.
@@FilAnd01 I think it is more so because he was "influential". Be it for good or ill he was a figure that shaped race relations in the early 20th century. Through his own works or those that worked against him. There is a difference between spreading knowledge about a figure and praising or condeming them. And I think they have avoided crossing those lines here.
Can someone explain to me how the Extra History schedule works?
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Fun fact given the video game roots of this channel: this is who Preston Garvey in Fallout 4 is partly named for. (His first name is after filmmaker Preston Sturges. And yes, that's also where Sturges the mechanic got his name.)
Preston Garvey doesn't particularly strike me as a dick he is mildly annoying though
Growing up in the southern US, I had no idea who Marcus Garvey was at all. This was incredibly educational and eye opening! Thank you!
The story of Liberia is probably a good ide for an episode?
i think you guys should do an Extra History series on Kwame Nkrumah
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I also love how you completely omitted his racism towards mixed race people, and the fact that he was a huge antisemite. Lovely framing you got there.
Pretty sure they showed him agreeing with the KKK lmao. Everything else just fits there yeah.
Yeah. Sometimes I don't know what's the matter with the writers on this channel...
Did he actually think he could rule Africa? He was horribly naive. Im pretty sure an egyptian and a south african wouldn't exactly see each other as brothers. They'd be as alien to each other as the Europeans
Once I heard Garvey, I had thought that "Another settlement was in need of our help."
What killed all my Sims didn't even phase Marcus.
Jamaica is actually a pretty based country now. It has major challenges, sure, but the people I've meet there were extraordinarily connected with realities of life that the lofty people back in my home country have become detached from in their cities.
The name Marcus Garvey was nagging at me a bit... like something familiar that I couldn't place. But then I realized what I recognized the name from. It's the name of one of the Rastafarian ships in the book Neuromancer. Never knew any of the context behind the name, but I'm really happy to know more about Marcus.
This guy should be not be celebrated. He may have been black but he was a segregationist. You can’t just forgive him and not hold him to the same standards as everyone else. Judge people by the contents of his character not the color of his skin, and his character is not one that I would call a hero’s.
Just as a btw, Why does Media show Moses as white? Moses was of jewish decent (Middle-eastern) and grew up in Egypt, which is in Africa. Yes technically he was not black but he was certainly not the pale men we've seen play him
Same story with most other Biblical figures. Jesus was Jewish and born in Palestine, just like David and Solomon.
Thursday upload? This makes my day!!
No offense to anyone but this Garvey guy sounds alittle wack. I can respect a man who fights for rights but naming himself a president of a foreign nation/state that he had no claim to. Sounds like an odd man to me.
As I said this man is smoking some of the finest 20th century crack
Hey you guys should do an series on a prominent Hispanic person in history, considering it Hispanic heritage month....
A great video. I like the description of Garveys childhood
If a man given the absolute leadership of one of the most important law enforcement agencies in the country becomes the personal boogeyman of an entire non-criminal collective, something's very wrong.
Yeah Hoover was a fucking monster dude, absolute shitstain of a human being
I once met a descendant of Marcus while visiting Boston, he marked another settlement on my map that needed my help. We shot crabs together.
My husband saw me watching this. The few audio details he recognized the video was about Garvey. Apparently his family is related to Garvey by marriage (second cousin). A wonderful thing for our future children to learn of.
I don't know...
Teaching self reliance to your son
A) Give him some money and tell him he need to buy his own food and that the next time he might have to work for it
B) Abandon him in a grave until he can climb out
At this point, there are more comments than views
Do Haile Selassie next
If they do Haile Selassie, i be come a top patriot
Only by living in your own land and being ruled by your own kind will you truly be free... Garvey knew that!
So, why is he the Black Moses? He didn't seem to get many people much of anywhere...
Moses spoke of Canaan the promised land of Israelites
Garvey spoke of Africa, the promised land of Blacks
That's the connection. Both were kinda religious given how Garvey inspired Rastafarianism.
do one on King John II of Portugal pretty please
2:26 not gonna happen he is making the common mistake of treating black people like a monolith
You'd only get that from an American, not an African.
thank you for this digestible history
I have the same archetypes of parents I swear to god
I almost read it as "Preston Garvey" since I was playing Fallout 4.
We all have strengths and weaknesses but can still do good for the now and future!
6:37 they do know not all African natives are black right
No one remembers the berbers.
Amazing character to pick up on! Very interesting story.
Eff J Edgar Hoover
We need a EC on him
More episodes!!
We need a Malcolm X and Kwame Nkrumah EC series too
I think that the most ironic thing was that the dude found like mindedness from the kkk. I dunno, it always seems so backwards to fight prejudice with more prejudice. I realize it wasn't out of nowhere, but a reaction to the situation, but so is any extremist ideology.
Glad you covered this dude though because it's honestly a part of history that will get glossed over for the exact stuff I'm talking about. Dude was controversial especially from today's standards, but it's good to have a voice no matter how controversial it is.
I do find it funny that my dude had no idea about how complex the ethnic groups of Africa are though. He would be quite disappointed if he had somehow got his way.
Another thing he had in common with the KKK: Both were highly antisemitic.
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while I may not agree with all this man's methods I do respect the trail he blazed so that others could pick up the torch and continue the struggle to this day we truly stand on the shoulders of giants a shame we don't talk more about guys like this in traditional schools
So if he never got out of that grave he would have died? Damn I thought Caribbean parents were strict but that was wow different.
Jamaican here, yeah we learned alot of this stuff in second grade XD
I don't remember the part about segregationist views or meeting with the KKK. Must have been added after I left.
3:21 honestly debois's methods were more effective meeting violence with violence would have only stoked the flames for future race riots and let's face it African Americans were in no position to hold out against such a mob a peacefull approach gains supporters and inspires sympathy while painting a would be racist mob In a bad light
Lol no later on in like Dubois regretted his opposition to Garvey and agreed that Garvey was right.
@@zombiewarking Okay? so Dubois became senile as he got older, what's your point?
@@ff-qf1th He was far from senile.
Americans have the right to defend their lives.
Marcus Garvey is such an interesting figure. I am critical of Marcus Garvey for being an anti-Socialist and willingness to give the Klan the time of day. At the same time, Garvey was a man of his time who had witnessed abuse of black people, which was everywhere. Even in Africa, the white minority abused the black majority. Marcus Garvey becoming the man that he did, was only a matter of time.
I don't really like his politics, and if I am being honest one can even say that Garvey was a reactionary. But he was also the most vocal on black self-defense, something that any normal human being should support just as much as marches. Garvey is a complex individual and I am glad to see a video of him from you guys.
3:49 black people are not a monolith a black person in central America is not the same as one living in the northern United States
And meeting oppression with force will only result in the oppressor meeting you with superior force as well as alienate more pacifistic sympathizers
The more I look at this video, the more I start thinking this guy was black hitler
Yeah. Him and Malcolm X both.
@@pendremacherald6758 Garvey yes, Malcom X no.
Hawkatana you can at least grant me the fact that Marcus Garvey is the anti-Joshua Norton.
Yo, as a jew, I can assure you there is no "white Moses". At most " brown Moses"
I wonder why so many of these stand alone episodes are dedicated to the oppression of black people (in the USA). Of course, it is an important and it has been an intentionally overlooked part of history. But there is so much more history to be discussed. Is the underrepresentation of black american history that bad?
Think this trend started around the time BLM exploded back in late May 2020. To be blunt, yes the representation is bad. I attended a top tier public school that prided itself on education and never learned about redlining, only knowing about the racial convents placed on houses because my mom mentioned that the original deed to the house I grew up in had one. If you're curious, the book Lies My Teacher Told me goes into it.
He sounds like the kind of guy to ask for my help with a settlement
It's always puzzling to me when conservatives within democracy are trying to overpolice "radical" political believes, when democracy was once considered just that.
I hope you guys are going to do a series on MLK jr soon I’ve been waiting for that one for a while now
EXTRA HISTORY COVERING JAMAICAN STUFF?%?^? IM IN HEAVEN
I stopped listening to the masoism tango for this, it was worth it.
A choice between Extra History and Tom Lehrer is not an easy one, and I can't judge you for your decision.
I got really excited, but then saw you weren't covering the monk. Are you ever going to talk about the BEST Black Moses?
Fun fact: when birds eat berry's they dont bite the seed
I'm sorry he met with WHO?
Hagrid: You're a wizard Harry!
Harry: What? But I can't be, I'm not racist.
Such an audacious claim as "King of Africa" reminds me that y'all should do an episode on Joshua Norton, self proclaimed "Emperor of the United States" and "Protector of Mexico".
The Unification of Italy
Garvey also designed a flag for his "African kingdom". It's now the flag of Ghana, and many other modern African nations based their own flag design on Garvey's.
wikipedia says only the star on the flag of Ghana is a reference to the black star line
The facts I learned about Marcus from a interview with “the most racist man in America” giving this man respect give you everything you need to know about how respected Marcus was
School ain't teach us shhh. Learned more here in 10 minutes
Wait didn’t he call himself the first fascist.
“I’ll never forget no way, they sold Marcus Garvey for rights.”
-Bob Marley, So Much Things To Say