We don’t need cameras anymore…
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- This week I’m in Italy on the Amalfi Coast, doing some photography with my iPhone 14 Pro Max. I've been impressed with the camera in it since it came in the post a few months back, so I thought it was time to put it through its paces in some challenging conditions, namely harsh light!
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Image quality wise? For most use cases, a phone is probably more than enough. But I think the reason most of us like photography is the experience of getting the shot, not the shot itself, having fine control over the entire process and being purposeful in your actions is very rewarding, and in my opinion does lead to better photos
I agree, I think. The iPhone 14 Pro is imperfect - mostly due to the difficult-to-avoid "computational photography" processing that often involves hideous amounts of sharpening and lack of real actual RAW output. On the other hand, it's also shockingly capable. In 48mp "RAW", it really is quite good. Fun test, take identical pix at 12mp and 48mp RAW and look at them and see how processed the 12mp is vs the 48mp. I much prefer using an actual camera to take pictures with intent, and love having a phone that can take great pictures if "it's the camera I have with me".
Bollocks. Maybe iPhone 14 pro, but on the iPhone 13 and the camera is garbage. Zoom in or do anything and it’s a pixelated mess. Don’t know how people actually get good quality out of an iPhone compared to an actually camera.
@@kevinwhite6176 Hi, do you mean that ProRAW is not a real actual RAW output. I'm curious what do you define as real RAW ? As I understand between the sensor and the RAW file, there are processing done by the camera. And I don't know what Nikon, Canon, Sony, etc... are doing there. To your knowledge what does Apple do in ProRAW format that doesn't fit what you call real RAW ? Thank you :)
Ergonomics and having a dedicated device for the purpose are my biggest priorities honestly. I really dislike using touchscreens for taking photos and even phones with shutter buttons like Sony's just don't feel good to use in my hand.
Add to that natural, physical controls without digging into menus and the fact I've yet to find a good film simulation-like photo app for the phone and I just don't enjoy the experience at all. Maybe if there was something that combined manufacturer-provided software corrections with quality custom presets, I'd give the Xperias a serious shot but as-is, it's just not worth the compromise to me. I also hate to hand edit every single photo but any phone's automatic processing (or raw output) just isn't to my liking at all.
It's hardly even "image quality" I'm concerned with because of online compression, it's literally just haptics and lack of customisation which especially the latter shouldn't be this hard to fix 😶
Shot a event Saturday night in low light, phone would have been useless, can’t compare the two.
Impressed with the quality of the photos James. Also impressed you made it along that road without getting run over 😅
I've been shooting on my iPhone for the past month, over my Ricoh GR III, and the thing that pulls me to it is the workflow, taking a photo, editing and sharing on one device
Being an avid hiker, I sometimes use my iPhone for wide angle shots and leave my wide angle lens at home, depending on what else I might carry on a given day. When I do this, I always shoot with ProRAW enabled and have come away with some very good photos after editing. I don't use JPEG/HEIC for anything other than snaps. I find the phone's processing to often be oversaturated and oversharpened.
I too don't like the oversaturated and oversharpened photos. Proraw looks like a game changer in this regard
iOS 16 processing is the worst by far, so misleading cannot understand Apple not fixing it
I have a DSLR but i just got the Iphone 14 Pro, and i was hyped about taking pictures with it-so a few days ago, on my last trip to London, i just dumped the DSLR and took only the phone. I had 0 regrets, for a citybreak expericene it was more than enough, the pictures were incredibly detailed and perfectly exposed and i loved the ideea of having an ultra compact camera from which i can instantly send pictures to my friends on social media. Ill keep the DSLR for specialized photography like macro shots of insects in nature but for 90% of my trips and travels, the mobility of the phone combined with the top quality of the photos makes it the perfect choice. I think this is the future of DSLR and mirrorless: specialized photography( macro, astro, studio or advanced product photography) for the rest of the situations, the modern flagship phones with their advanced cameras and AIs will be more than enough.
Just speculating, but I would guess that Apple went with the wider lens so they could improve their digital stabilization, which was a big marketing point of these phones.
I'm pretty sure the wider focal length is a compromise between being able to fit a larger sensor into a phone without making the camera bump too thick.
I'd also guess they decided to go wider because with 40MP, they can very easily apply digital zoom. Most users wouldn't need 40MP or notice the loss on a cropped image.
I need a camera, I really hate the shooting experience on phones. Even with a Sony Xperia... which, at least, has a shutter button. It's not that they can't take decent pics, I just don't find it fun.
I had the Xperia as well, I did really appreciate the shutter button. Unfortunately the buttons started breaking and it was out of warranty so I had to replace it.
Though it had a lot of things going for it I just couldn't stomach the price again. I'm on a pixel 6 pro now, and some of the images I get are very usable but lose detail very quickly when you push them. Even when shooting raw. I guess because even though it's advertised as a 50MP camera, it's quad-bayer and is binned down to 12.5MP.
I find that although it has preserved and captured some priceless memories. I just wish I could have captured them with more detail and I can't go back and recapture those moments, and that's why I think I need a camera.
@@KennyYau5093 their good for what they are. But conventional cameras are still better at everything except portablity i guess
I made my phoneography slightly more enjoyable by adding mountable lenses.
I'm in the same boat. I have a Samsung S20, and while there's the portability, it's just not the same.
@@benferris2764Nothing could be further from the ttuth. But feel free to carry around ss many camera bodied and lens as you want if that makes you feel like your a real photog! 😂
I just wanna say I follow about a dozen photographers on TH-cam, learning from all of you, and I must say that, though each one is unique, I think you take the best photos.
By far
I also miss the days of 28mm phone main cameras. They went to 26mm and now 24mm, which I find way too wide for what 90% of my phone photos are (pictures of people taken at around 1 meter). I'm pretty sure the focal length is a compromise between being able to fit larger camera sensors into a phone without making the camera bump too thick.
If you've got the megapixels and the sharpness you can always crop down.
I find if you hand someone mostly used to using phone a proper mirrorless type camera with a something like 30/40/50mm (equivalent) prime they're lost and don't know what to do with it.
Bring on the bump!
Having just recently found your channel, I have enjoyed watching your videos. Your compositions challenge a lot of what I've learned over the years. The photo with the triangle sign over the wall, I would have never placed it so closely to the edge. Not enough room to breathe and yet it works really well. The scooter and wall of flowers, never would have placed the scooter so far into the corner. Once again, it works. Thanks.
Nice video. Curious how you got up on the hill? iPhone 14 Pro Max definitely is a good camera to take around but I feel that the colour AI it applies to photos doesn't resonate with me and maybe my perception but it feels like a snapshot camera for quick snaps and that process and the enjoyment of capturing photos and moments isn't there.
Very very rare i use my phone to take photos even though it has a good camera, ive gone for walks with just the phone and didn't take any, with camera im looking all over for things to photograph while walking, even out in town for a beer as i have a ricoh gr3 in a belt pouch
I think if you upload your presets into lightroom (not the classic one but the other one) on your computer, they should show up in your lightroom mobile (on you mobile) automatically in the presets category.
Yes if you set up presets on LR then they should sync to LR mob on your phone, I watched a Terry White TH-cam video on it and how to get them also to sync to LRC
I’ve been along that road and I cannot believe you walked it! It’s mental! You’re a brave man 😮
Man the European landscape is so different to Australia’s. Can wait till i have an opportunity to travel more. As for shooting on phones, i think modem phones have gotten to the point where they are pretty good for most scenarios (i use the wimpy little camera on my SE when i don’t have my camera and it’s fine). Might i suggest using the mobile Lightroom app? It lets you shoot manual and raw files. Great content and photos as always James!
Today's mobile camera is good enough to take brilliant photos. However, the feel and joy of taking photos is not same as with real camera/mirrorless/dslr. In my honest opinion 😘. Amazing view by the way James
Went on a family trip to Singapore in January. On previous trips I’ve taken my Nikon, but frankly I just couldn’t be bothered lugging that thing around all day. So this time I only took my iPhone, a 14 Pro Max, and was super chuffed with it. It does such a good job, and for the convenience of having it in my pocket, it was so worth it. They’ve come a long way.
Personally buying an iPhone for smartphone photography sounds dumb since the bigger sized sensors with higher pixel density are found in Androids that iPhone is using a sensor that is 3 years old meanwhile all androids are using 1 year old sensors all from Sony which have 50mp on all the lens the google pixels are the defination of perfect smartphone photography heck the only reason anybody would choose an iphone over androids is that video quality and nothing else
Nice lesson in composition with the dish ,tree, and building 😊
A couple of years ago, I replaced my aging Google Pixel 3XL with a Nokia XR20, (Zeiss Lens, plus Nokia Camera software). One of my reasons for upgrading form my old Pixel to the Nokia was that, unlike Google phones, the Nokia can accommodate a MicroSD card, whereas the Google Pixel requires the user to setup and maintain his/her own personal Google account, along with cloud storage, (at a price, naturally).
One particular feature of the Pixel phone was that the user could set the camera to save one's photos as RAW (.dng), and as JPEG (.jpg) files simultaneously, and, (IIRC), the RAW photos were saved in the phone's internal storage area, whilst the JPEGs were also saved into their own internal folder, as well as being uploaded to Google Drive. For some reason, the logic of which I can't fathom, the RAW files were not saved to Google Drive by default, but I seem to remember that there was some way to specify that the RAW files be saved automatically to Google Drive along with the JPEGs, (but I'm no longer 100% sure of that).
Since that time, I have not found another phone camera which has such an option.
Phones are an ergonomic disaster area, but they do a job.
So, 2 things. 1. I was watching, thinking “He”s taking photos while standing in the middle of a road on a blind curve. Will he live? Has the sun driven him mad? Is it the shame of thinking that someone will see the real, live, James Popsys shooting on a phone?” 2. My “best camera” is a full frame 12mp D700. Do you think a 40mp jpeg should look better than a 12mp raw file? I mostly watch your videos on a 10” iPad. Sometimes I don’t even go full screen. I just watch the videos in a corner of the screen while I read the comments. Results from a 6mp camera (raw or jpeg) might look the same on a small screen.
You own a M11 and you are at the Amalfi coast and you shoot your iPhone 🤪. Visiting the same spot this summer (any dot not miss advice welcome :)), can`t wait, not sure which camera/lens I`ll bring. Sadly I do not own a iPhone pro mega max latest gen, I prefer to invest on good lens for my camera and own cheap old phone.
I was just thinking this!
Get a Samsung S23 Ultra. Better than iPhone.
Hi James, looking behind you at your photos on the wall I was wondering if you could do a video on printing photos, why you decided on what size to print and how you arranged them on the wall? Just an idea!
Thanks for this video and showing us from a POV-ish viewpoint when taking the photos. It helps to add context to the composition and situation during the shots.
Without even watching, in my experience is yes. Maybe as i'm a chronic zoomer and like to appreciate the details of photo's, which on all phones is terrible. Ironically, I think for me viewing photo's on phones with all their HD screens and ability to crop in, make mobile photo's not as good.
Ah yes. iPhone 14 Pro Max.
Phones are good as cameras only if it is something really expensive like this one.
With cameras... well in my opinion you can buy an old DSLR with a good enough lens (e.g. Canon 550D with 50mm or some old Tamron/Sigma 28-75/24-70) and it will be much cheaper than your phone and still make decent photos.
Yeah it's much bulkier but in my case the phone is around $200 and my camera gear around same price (maybe a little more) and I'm not gonna switch it to any top-tier phone just becase of photo capabilities.
It’s the photographer that makes the picture not the camera. So if you can live with the AI over processing and shooting experience, phones are great cameras. I still prefer the real deal, even with my 12mp pen mini e-pm1 I like the experience and the results more than with my IPhone 11 pro max. But it’s a great backup camera that’s always in my pocket!
Well they should get back to where Samsung stopped years before and making fullframe or apsc cameras with android as operating system.
I went to Hawaii and used the 48mp sensor as a legit alternative to my other 2 cameras. I treated it like a 24mm prime alongside an X100V on the days I left the a1/24-70 GM ii combo in the room safe. First phone that I really feel has good enough quality to keep up (at least from apple) in decent to good light
The main lens used to be 26mm, I don't mind the 24, but I really hate the ultra-wide being 12mm-ish. It's just so unusable, I really don't understand why Apple and Samsung consistently go below 16mm (probably that's what they can source in volume?). My dream setup on a phone would be 18mm, 28mm, 55mm.
For wildlife especially birds and capturing birds in flight i definitely need a camera. I'll ditch the camera when i can put 600mm zoom lens on my phone
agreed with the 24mm main camera... I went from using an Iphone SE 2020 and iphone 8+ which were both 28mm, to an iphone 12 pro max which is 26mm and slightly too wide IMO. I checked out my partners 13 pro max which has the 24mm and hate it... add to that that it does away with the 2x (50mm-ish) lens and has a 3x. So you've got a 13mm that I've never seen anyone use, a 24mm that's too wide for "normal", and a 75mm thats ok for some stuff but not as practical and versatile as the 50ish from previous cameras. I really hope apple go back to a 28 or 30mm and a 50ish on the iphone 15, ideally get rid of the ultrawide 13mm and do the 77mm again but that's not a deal breaker... lets go apple!
Well, if I'm alone with my Iphone 14 pro and it comes to taking a "serious" photo with it, I use the lightroom-app on it (tap the camera symbol). This makes all (most?) of the camera settings available manually (like buttons an knobs 🙃 ) and produces *.dng....
I don't have experience with iPhone but recently I tested Samsung s23ultra. Even comparing to old Sony A5000 nothing phenomenal at all.
"Nice gap in the bush there" 😳🤣🤣🤣 (I'm such a child!). These look lovely - weirdly quite "filmly" but that might be more to do with your edits.
I still have an iphone max X….I have captured alot of special moments on my phone. In fact, on a trip to London in 2019, it was only an jphone and Sony RX100V to document the trip. I shoot on film cameras. I shoot on classic DSLRs. I shoot on mirrorless. If you capture moments, it matters not how you do it!
the biggest reason for getting a camera is ok, iphone 14 pro max may be good enough, but its £1200. For £900 i could buy a nice camera, and settle for £300 android and the camera will last me more than 2-3 years
Interesting that going to Settings > Camera > Formats and enabling Apple ProRAW doesn't actually enabled RAW, but enables the button that enables/disables RAW. I guess that does make it easy to switch back and forth on the fly, but I see your point in wanting to just enable RAW and never disable it.
First time I get really annoyed watching a video from you. I’ve been so angry at the iPhone camera app doing all kinds of fugly damage to my attempts of photography with its in-built un-disableable witchcraft. I’ve used the Lightroom app to some degree of success, at least the photos somewhat resembles what I see in real life. It was an epiphany when I realized there is an enable raw button option.
I’m now no longer angry at you or your video, actually I’m very happy now. Thumbs up to you!
Why don't you try Sony's Xperia 1 James? It's got a shutter button, textured back and sides to add grip, Alpha camera inspired control on the app, and they are even lockable so you can handle the phone like any camera without worrying about accidentaly changing any settings, have detachable SD card tray without the need of any tool, also the Raw files are lighter than iphone's Raw.
The latest mkV model have the latest Dual layer sensor from sony that enables it to be used in ni time pretty well.
I just came back from the Amalfi Coast where I shot lots a photos with my iPhone 13 Pro and even more with my OM-1. I really don't see much of a difference in broad daylight. I used the CPL on the iPhone in most pictures which increases the quality immensely. When hiking, I just take the OM-1 with the 100-400 to catch birds and lizards, and the iPhone for the landscapes. No need to change lenses really.
You're in Naples?? There's a photography event at the national museum (MANN) this sunday, if you want to! :D
I find smart phones with their touchscreens nearly impossible to use with any accuracy. So don't really care if the pics are good - ergonomically they are ridiculous, at least for me. Slippery little devils too - can't tell you how many times I've dropped mine. ;)
I can’t say I enjoyed the start of this video. You were walking on a narrow winding road with no sidewalk space. That looked a bit dangerous and I found myself tensing up. But other than that, you’ve really made me want to upgrade from my 11 Pro Max.
I take snaps with my iPhone all the time - even when I also have one of my cameras. The reason why I wouldn’t use one solely for photography are the fixed focal length (or even ‘lengths’ on newer phones), lack of a viewfinder (which sucks in bright sunlight) and the horrible ergonomics/handling. Can’t fault the image quality generally though.
I find Apple's recent computational photography models too extreme. They seem try to eliminate all shadows making many photos look a bit unnatural. Also find their ultrawide lens mostly useless.
What a great thing to argue about on the Internet. I think it's what it was invented for, and I'm sure someone will prevail. After a winner is crowned, can we move on to arguing about the new MLB pitch clock and whether pineapple on pizza is a good idea?
I hate the experience of shooting with my phone, yeah it’s cool to always have a phone that has a camera but I’d prefer to not take photos over using my phone.
For me personally photography is about the process and experience. I feel I’m almost pushing back against technology, i don’t want to take photos with a computer (eg sony) we’re too concerned with pushing tech rather than creating authentic work.
Thank you very much I am really seriously considering getting an everyday point and shoot now I don’t have the excuse….
Yes mobile phone have the advantage of always been in your pocket , but they will never replace the DSLR/mirrorless cameras . Mobile phones use digital zoom , cameras use optical zoom . There is no mobile phone that cane replace a camera with a 600mm or more optical zoom. Yes mobile phones have there advantages , and camera manufacturers need to implement some of these feature into there cameras . What ever happens in the future we will still have cameras that can do what is impossible in a mobile phone ,such as a full frame sensor .
James, why is your cap on the wrong fucking way round. It's sunny. That's what the brim is for.
My argument is and always will be this - it doesn't matter how good a phone camera is, as long as it's sensor is smaller than say, a full frame, it's quality will be inferior to the full frame. Whatever physical sensor tech advances is built into the phone camera, surely the same tech will be available to the much larger camera sensors too. Any post processing and computational processing the phone does, can be done better on the larger camera with AI and other imaging software. The bigger camera sensor simply has a higher quality low light and detail performance than the smaller phone sensor. At the same time, I am very happy that phone cameras are so much better, making them a nice tool when your camera is not around
Have you tried NOMO raw on iPhone. It seems amazing as it makes 48 mp jpgs without sharpening. It uses pro raw but then makes a jpg rather than apple only making 12 mp jpgs.
How good is the 48 megapixel iphone 14 pro with turn OFF raw image mode))))))))))))))))))))))))
Men you get typical oversharpened images with this setup. Oh yes great for snapshooters and the likes. If oversharpened digital photos is your thing its great as well.
But it does not replace a camera and lens without AI sharpening and such.
But if you hit Flickr and search up iPhone 1 and any smatphone after that you will find awesome pictures taken.
You dont need gear gear gear you need composition, light and perspective.
So for many a smartphone does it, there is definately no reason to buy a compact camera with zoom lens, the Phone replaces that.
But it does not replace an interchangable lens camera, and its goes without saying actually.
No phones have a decent camera !!! Presets are crap, there are millions of different types of light situations, so presets will not match everything !
Great video mate. Very much agree. As a hobby photographer, the main (if not the only) thing that stops me just spending on the best iPhone to max the phone camera experience and ditch a mirrorless is the focal length issue as you stress. I just can't get on board with 24-ish mm, drives me mad! If we could get a main lens quality at a 35/40mm I'd struggle to ever justify camera gear/extra workflow for my use case. All the best from Ceredigion!
Nice to see a photographer say they're doing 'some photography with their iPhone', instead of 'taking photos' with their iPhone. There is a difference.
For me I find my phone does take excellent shots. It's the ergonomics thst are more of an issue than camera quality now. Recently I bought an inexpensive phone grip that adds a shutter button and a more camera like hand hold. It's neat.
Hi James. I’d always prefer a 24mm over a 28mm. Just saying.
It honestly looks good enough to compete with compact cameras like the G7X or ZV1. I might be inclined to use a phone if it had a flip up screen to use the best lens for selfies, and it had a built in ND and a good optical zoom range. As it stands 48mp or not I think I'll stick with the extra utilities of the G7X.
No need to export photos as dng to apply presets on mobile. Simply sync a collection with lr mobile and the photo shows up on lr mobile with the edits. At that point just create a preset on the phone. Voila :)
Yeah, the ergononucs has always been a stumbling block for me, and, as you found out, it's much to easy to make things happen unintentionally. Pretty sketchy walkway there. Carry on! 👍🥂
What's that flashing on your desk? And can it not?
Gonna check out Saal for sure.
Oh wow, apple is finally catching up to the om d em-5. This is great.
I think that you’ve thrown out the baby with the bathwater when you sold the Ricoh. I just sold my Fuji kit yesterday and it is now the only camera that I own!
I’m glad the iPhone is so good; it leaves photography to those who no how to use a camera and its lenses.
Iphones are good for fake vintage looks only, I wouldn’t use one even if they were good and they are not
I experienced the same switching from the iPhone 12 Pro Max to the 14 Pro Max. It was the first time the pictures felt like normal pictures. And dynamic range is great and exposure just feels correct. With an attached g-grip you can hold the phone with much more confident and you get the feeling of a „normal“ camera.
I’ve got one and it really is fantastic using the main lens and the portrait mode is quite interesting. Using it with Lightroom mobile it’s really slick and a fun workflow certainly for social media use, which I guess is what it’s going to be used for by the majority of buyers. If photography is your hobby or job your still going to want your gear, but this is in the pocket.
I hate the fact that you can’t change aperture, shutter speed and iso on iPhone
Just when i purchased a camera you make this video 🤣
hahahaha funny
yes we do
or at the very least PREFER.
And let’s not forget the incredible video footage the 14 can capture. Even the selfie camera is phenomenal. Except on skin tones. Hate the skin tones.
The video Quality was better than the photos...
Or any of those new 1"sensor phones,great videos thou
Just imagine if the next iPhone had a sensor with a 40mm full frame equivalent lens, you'd be in heaven!
Stop it :)
Oh yeah... that would be a huge selling point to me!
Nice! Which presets of yours did you use on these pics?☺️
interesting
So, my question to you:
iPhone or Ricoh GR iiix?
Only takes photos in bright daylight and no low light photos 😂. Dslrs and mirrorless cameras aren’t going anywhere you berk
Talk me through the difference between dark shadows that your sensor isn’t exposing for and low light…
Amalfi coast only with an iPhone. What a shame.
Super wide should be 14-16mm, standard lens should be 35 IMO.
Great video though, those phone pictures look awesome
How’s you get that misty look? It looks sick
Sony and Samsung both better cameras
0:49 would have been good bc those were the only with a helmet
I go to the bathroom and come back to a new title?
Unless one requires optical zoom
One more reason for me to hold off on a GR III / IIIX!
How do you edit those photos to look like film?
I'm very happy with my phone as well (Pixel 6). Although the jpg can be kinda too much "googly", the raws are so good!
Are the photos straight out of camera?
I wish phones had some more useful lenses like 20mm + 40mm with a optional 85mm equivalent. In most cases you can do a panorama if you need a wider picture but its impossible to zoom in without loss of quallity. Thats the reason why i never bother to use my phone for anything useful. The main camera is just too wide, the wide angle even wider and the tele lenses are usually on the big phones
I did it exactly reversely :) .. I ditched (a long time ago) my smartphone for a dumphone (hipster's no.1 choice TheLightPhone) and I stick with my camera(s) instead .. getting rid of smartphone along with quitting smoking were the best decisions that I did after my 30 yr ...
Cracking location and I liked the fruit car image. Though heart in the mouth when you stood in the middle of the road. Did you get beeped at, at any point or did the drivers simply go round you?
As for phones, I'm still using a Nokia 3.1. 13MP rear camera, 6 or 8 (can't remember which) front "selfie" camera. Video footage isn't bad, been using it to film my form at the gym, and it's great for snapshots, but no way would I use a phone for "proper" photography. There's no fun in it, plus try adjusting settings on a phone screen on a cold, rainy, windswept, late autumen/early winter hillside.
I've been using Pixel phones for the last few years and they did me well. But after discovering the magic of Fuji and reminding myself how awesome shooting a dedicated camera can be, I simply switched to it full time. Phones are getting better (arguably we're almost at the tip end of the computational photography's capabilities), but it just removes the fun aspect of it for me.
I just got S23 Ultra and I was really looking forward to see that camera that everyone is talking about and uhm.. it's like photos are being forced, pushed too far if you know what i mean. It's like that botox, fake eyebrows-ass-nails-makeup girls who took "beauty standards" waaay too far, whilst photo from camera looks like a beautiful natural girl. Idk, for now i'm sticking with my D7500.