Tips for Metering WITHOUT a Light Meter

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  • @andrewshieldsphoto
    @andrewshieldsphoto ปีที่แล้ว +51

    And always remember that you are not locked into the shutter speed that your iso dictates with S/16. If you're zone focusing and light changes you can just as easily slow the shutter a stop or two to maintain your working depth of field. A stop is a stop no matter where you get it from. I think S/16 sometimes tricks people in the early stages into thinking they can only adjust aperture.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's right! Something I've addressed with beginners in person, and is a good sticking point to mention 🙂

    • @geddyleesmullet84
      @geddyleesmullet84 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’m reminded that Cartier-Bresson would shoot either 1/500 or 1/125 depending on the lighting conditions but still use f16 or f11 to keep his depth of field intact.

  • @Grandmastergreyy
    @Grandmastergreyy ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Yes a more in Depth video would be dope!

  • @wojt4spes
    @wojt4spes ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've been waiting for such a video of yours. Really impressed by how you are rolling this M-A without meter. Oh, I would love to see that vid where you judge exposure in the field :)

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you! Looks like the votes are in already and I'll put that video on the list 🙂

  • @feliksisaksen
    @feliksisaksen ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Something that gives me confidence when metering by eye and shooting colour negative is to lean towards overexposure when in doubt, it gives flexibility and the "built in" latitude usually turns out well.

  • @ruffprophetproductions
    @ruffprophetproductions ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love guessing and then checking with my meter. it kind of does that quick assurance that you're going the right direction, without needing digital or to see the film

  • @DecentGatsby
    @DecentGatsby ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I ordered a Leica m-a that was priced so low, I couldn’t say no; I am super excited for this step in my photography. I’ve shot with a pen Ft with a broken light meter for a while now.
    I still struggle judging indoor lighting situations. Thanks for the tips. Amazing timing !

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's great, congrats!

  • @benjaminneoh
    @benjaminneoh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ha, enjoyed the humour in this one, Hashem 👏 This video also shows how far you've come with your confidence in front of the camera and now in public too 👏 Well done.

  • @stefbecci1274
    @stefbecci1274 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been shooting sunny 16 forever and never miss exposure on streets . I’m baffled that photographers won’t trust the science of light and that of the camera .
    Shutter speed can also be manipulated for the same purpose.
    Anyway glad you’ve made a video about this . Good job 👏.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      For sure, thank you! :-)

  • @markcutting9313
    @markcutting9313 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    superb and so helpful

  • @Mia-ce3fj
    @Mia-ce3fj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Been searching TH-cam for a video like this. I dont have a light meter and don't have the means to buy one right now. Also i think fundamentally its helpful to be able to have this skill. Thank you for making this

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad to help!

  • @jz8638
    @jz8638 ปีที่แล้ว

    As always, I really enjoyed it! A big yes to another in depth version of this video on how you meter with lots of examples. Happy shooting! :)

  • @Jack-qn6vy
    @Jack-qn6vy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the helpful reminders. Would be a great idea to do a more in depth view of sunny 16 in different settings, like urban, and country. I find in NYC, I tend to underexpose, when it is a bright day, but where the buildings are really blocking the light. It’s like my mind knows that it’s sunny out and it starts to creep into my metering estimates. That said, I agree with you about just trying it! I was terrified the first few rolls I did this way, and everything worked out ok. In fact, it is even easier in some ways, because you stop being a slave to the meter. Someone once reminded me recently, that lots of people say they would never use auto exposure but if you always dial in exactly what the camera’s meter tells you, without thinking about the subject and the light, and what you want to accomplish, then that’s basically what you are doing. When you use sunny 16 you have to overcome that first block of fear, but then you are free to shoot, and adjust as you feel may be necessary.

  • @MrGarrincha11
    @MrGarrincha11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, great video!
    Personnally I just look at the shadows, it is much more precise :
    Shadow
    Full sun - sharp shadow: f / 16
    Veiled sun - diffuse shadow: -1 stop => f / 11
    Against the light or in the shade (clear shade): -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Sun above the horizon, before diving: about -4 stops or about f / 4
    No shade
    Hidden sun, white sky, visible sun disk with sunglasses: -2 stops => f / 8
    Overcast sky, light gray, invisible sun disk: -3 stops => f / 5.6
    Overcast, leaden gray, it can rain: -4 stops => f / 4
    Rain: from -4 to -5 stops or f / 4 to f / 2.8
    Interior
    From -9 to -10 stops
    Dim lights: between -12 and -15 stops
    I use this and I have great result, hope it helps.

  • @HJ-nh1wl
    @HJ-nh1wl หลายเดือนก่อน

    Back in the day …. film rolls came with a piece of paper about ‘basic exposure’ method - this worked for Black & White photographers really well!
    Now in digital these digital days - this still works, as long as you camera can work ‘mechanical mode’!
    F16 @ 1/125s with ISO 100! Boom!

  • @weisserth
    @weisserth ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good advice. I would add:
    On something like the Sekonic, use incident metering. When using a camera to meter, force it into center weighted metering or spot metering and take multiple measurements from areas with different brightness in the scene to see how they relate.

  • @extremelydave
    @extremelydave ปีที่แล้ว

    So true, so true. Sometimes it's just that you have that ONE small moment to get an epci shot and you don't have time to be a slave to the meter, you've got to wing it and hope your experience makes the day.

  • @ClumpLord
    @ClumpLord ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would love to see your version of sunny 16!

  • @franciscocalvo1980
    @franciscocalvo1980 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks. Metering light is important after you know how much depth of field you're looking for..

  • @PhotoswithArt
    @PhotoswithArt 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I shoot digital manual, but I'm trying practicing sunny 16 rule as well. Because I became cling to a light meter in the camera so much, afraid of bad exposure, to the point it was interrupting the flow while walking and taking photos. I want to just focus and shoot with confident and still being manual not full auto mode. Thanks for the video.👍

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes, it really can interrupt the flow sometimes! Thanks for watching

  • @charlesfensky2105
    @charlesfensky2105 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank-you this was very helpful and believe that your proposed instructional video would be very useful to visualize how you do the process.

  • @kevlarnegative
    @kevlarnegative ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I suggest using a digital camera in manual settings for practice, guessing the exposure and then checking the result.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      Great way to go!

    • @Jack-qn6vy
      @Jack-qn6vy ปีที่แล้ว

      I do this all the time - it’s like a “warm up ritual” whenever I break out the camera to start using it. The funny part is that of course half the time, those are my best photos of the day, lol

  • @BrianHallmond
    @BrianHallmond ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Learning the exposure traingle helped me a lot. Now I just change the settings to get the image I like.
    And then cry because it doesn't look the same on PC as it does on my camera.

  • @sevsuk2011
    @sevsuk2011 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Please compile for additional video on how you do it, as your style is great.

  • @AlexOnStreets
    @AlexOnStreets ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job!

  • @be8059
    @be8059 ปีที่แล้ว

    Definitely, instructional/practice video would be helpful

  • @c.augustin
    @c.augustin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A more in-depth instructional video would be nice! I do have the basic understanding (and did some more detailed tables), but I can't put it to practical use. (I do use the sunny 16 rule to check on plausibility of meter readings with old cameras, but I can't go without a light meter …)

  • @nojustshutupyoubitch
    @nojustshutupyoubitch ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Been using an m2 for a while now and i love how it’s teaching me to read the light as I’m learning street photography

    • @didiMao
      @didiMao ปีที่แล้ว +1

      m2 gang!

  • @MichaelMasaki
    @MichaelMasaki ปีที่แล้ว

    That closing brass balls scene with the camera overlay had me laughing out loud!!

  • @Barrrt
    @Barrrt 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks! Great vid and yes to an in depth video to educate this newb :)

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @markandrewhoran
    @markandrewhoran ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, especially for this novice photographer. To be honest, I'm still pretty confused about the combination of ISO, aperture and shutter speed, but far less confused after I watched your video.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! I'm currently working on a structured tutorial video sequel to this one, it might be my next release on the channel.

  • @danielfollmer1825
    @danielfollmer1825 ปีที่แล้ว

    my light meter broke literally last week and have been attempting S16 on my last few rolls, its so freeing!

  • @davidgatchalian885
    @davidgatchalian885 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a former sales leader…turned photography film enthusiast….❤ ABC…what a classic movie ! Oh…also appreciated the learning too 😂.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha yes I love Glengarry (especially Baldwin's monologue) so much that I found a way to shoehorn it into this video 😁

  • @chris_jorge
    @chris_jorge ปีที่แล้ว

    +1 for a deep metering video. would love to see where you place the center weight mark in the frame to get the reading. there are many videos out there but none that do that :(

  • @blainemarcano
    @blainemarcano 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video!

  • @PooMonkeyMan
    @PooMonkeyMan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From what I’ve come to understand with the Sunny 16 Rule is that your aperture is always changing to accommodate the lighting. As someone that likes to always shoot wide open, it’s a hard rule to follow.
    If there’s an alternative method to the Sunny 16 that doesn’t require closing down the aperture, I’m all ears.

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You could just exchange a stop of aperture for shutter speed... but in most daylight situations you will quickly reach a "cap" when shooting wide open (an ND filter is a great solution to that)

    • @PooMonkeyMan
      @PooMonkeyMan ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pushingfilm Oooh, I should ought to get an ND I suppose. I tend to use filters for my digital cameras but not for film.

  • @dasczwo
    @dasczwo 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    how about using that rusty old canon g10 in the bottom of the drawer, or other digi point and shoot, see what auto/av…settings it took for a certain frame, transfer to the film camera and see how it turned out?

  • @digitalcake
    @digitalcake ปีที่แล้ว

    I find that indoors it's often 1/30 and your widest aperture, say f2, if you're using 400 speed film. 1/60 at 800 and so on.

  • @tomostudio9062
    @tomostudio9062 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Indepth instruction video please 🥺

  • @xiondFirst
    @xiondFirst ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting basic tutorial, I would like more in depth tutorials.

  • @dan-le-brun
    @dan-le-brun ปีที่แล้ว

    Being in the UK, I’ve got a habit of doing sunny 8! I think it’s a sunny day but seems I need 4x more light than sunny 16 would say!

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha yeah Melbourne is more often a sunny 11 situation rather than 16

  • @davidaltizer
    @davidaltizer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    how on earth are you getting these perfect memes?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      I used this site called playphrase for most! Whereas Glengarry was just a movie I'm a fan of and remembered quotes from 😅

  • @michaelh7506
    @michaelh7506 ปีที่แล้ว

    Long time ago when I was 13 my dad's 4x5 camera no light meter. 1/50 at f11 royal pan press film. Then your chemicals and temperature can alter the photos too. My dad liked Dektol 1:1. I liked Micrdol full strength. I'm sure I miss spelled the chemistry. I always liked my negatives a tad darker. Easier to fix them in the darkroom.

  • @kurocamera
    @kurocamera ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you! I always do this (based on Sunny 16) and works perfectly for me on Sunny days.
    👇(⇒ always overexpose by +1):
    ・ISO100 → 1/125 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    ・ISO200 → 1/250 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    ・ISO400 → 1/500 🌞f11 🌤f5.6 🌴(light shade) f2.8 🌄(dark shade) f1.4
    Also, love the strap and the length! Would you mind telling me which one it is? Would love to order one for my M3!

  • @Leondrian
    @Leondrian ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see how you use the sunny 16 in action.

  • @MP40meatballTR
    @MP40meatballTR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We need that instructional video

  • @anta40
    @anta40 ปีที่แล้ว

    For doing indoor shots, unfortunately there's no "Sunny 16" equivalent (or is there??)... so that's why I still have my Sekonic ready.

  • @RickGTI2019
    @RickGTI2019 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative and interesting. Sometimes just winging it makes the best pics. I noticed that interesting strap, where do I get one ?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! The strap is by Tap and Dye

    • @RickGTI2019
      @RickGTI2019 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pushingfilm thanks….. Rick

  • @jasongold6751
    @jasongold6751 ปีที่แล้ว

    Film has latitude! So has Digital!!. Black and Whie film. : Film test. Take a roll,shoot as many as needed and cut out of camera. Use HP5+/Tri-x,/ any 400 speed film.Shoot on sunny day. Do some backlit, in open shade, Side light,in downtown in shade of buildings. Expose at ISO/ASA from say 25 speed,50,100,200,400,800, 1600 and 3200.Make small prints at home or lab. Big Surprise awaits. Color negative film C-41 use lower ASA/ISO. Use 400 film. Go down to ISO 10 or less. Don't bother over 1000.Same small prints. It will be worth lots! Enjoy and Bravo. DO IT!

  • @Seapatico
    @Seapatico ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't even think you need to memorize a table for Sunny 16. You just need to know this:
    For ISO 400 film (and I use this for Portra 800, too):
    Direct sunlight - f8 and 1/1000
    Open shade/backlit - f2.8 and 1/1000.
    From there, you can adjust as needed, but for most people in most situations, I think that will get you pretty close without risking under exposure.

  • @john_murch
    @john_murch ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always - Be - Closing! (Metering) Got it Hashem!

  • @schecterman7193
    @schecterman7193 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congrats for this video and your channel!
    What about if I'm in full manual mode (I choose my ISO, shutter speed and aperture)? I guess it doesn't matter which light metering mode you choose (spot, evaluative etc...). Am I right?
    I've done some tests, and the metering mode makes no difference when I'm in full manual.Could you confirm (or not...) please ?
    Regards.

  • @doozledumbler5393
    @doozledumbler5393 ปีที่แล้ว

    A more detailed video would be great. Also, it would good to see how metering and focus are related. For example, any time you step down to f 5.6 or lower, focus has to be done with the patch right? Or can you just change the zone you are using?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure! About focus, it doesnt need to necessarily, but it's definitely worth watching a few videos on hyperfocal distances and grasping that concept first.

  • @firstnamelastname9955
    @firstnamelastname9955 ปีที่แล้ว

    Master the guesstimation and increase your expectations.

  • @BreakfastEveryday
    @BreakfastEveryday ปีที่แล้ว

    Sunny 16 video would be very appreciated

  • @Dksupa94
    @Dksupa94 ปีที่แล้ว

    If the camera light meter suggests we put on auto mode should we? And if I'm pushing a 400 roll to 800 iso should I set shutter speed for 400 or 800? thanks!

  • @jarkmodels
    @jarkmodels ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tips, thank you for that! May I ask what strap is that? I looked at your channel and couldn't find the answer so apologies if you've mentioned already. I have an M10 Monochrom and I'm waiting for an MP and your strap seems the perfect lenght. The one I'm currently using (Artisan&Artist ACAM-310) is very nice but a bit too long so the camera bounces while I'm walking. Do you experienced the same issue with your shorter one? Cheers

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey, the strap is by Tap and Dye, I've used their stuff for years and have 3 different straps from them. You can order the strap by length. I did indeed go with the short one you see in this video, to prevent the amount of bouncing that you normally get with a longer one when wearing it around the neck! Best to get a measuring tape and visualise it around your neck before ordering 👍🏼

    • @jarkmodels
      @jarkmodels ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pushingfilm Thanks mate! I appreciate your reply. By the way, totally out of context here, but after watching another of your videos I wanted to say that Sergio Larrain is also my favorite photographer...I happened to be Chilean (living in Australia for the last 14 years) so I reckon I'm bias....but anyways, he is amazing! cheers

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jarkmodels Oh nice! Yeah he's such an inspiration, I finally purchased his main book and have all three now 😁

    • @jarkmodels
      @jarkmodels ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pushingfilm oh WOW!, I have 2, the London one and one called "El Rectangulo en la Mano" which is a beautiful small note book size edition. I was desperately looking for the one of Valparaiso but is out of stock everywhere in the world!. The bigger one unfortunately costs a fortune in Amazon!. Where did you find them? By the way, do you remeber which model is your short strap?

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jarkmodels Nice! Wow, it seems like Valparaiso might be limited in stock now... As for the bigger book you're right, I had it on my watchlists for a while due to the price until i found a half-decent deal on it. Hopefully, they make some reprints of both. The strap I use is by Tap and Dye out of New York

  • @dushyantbhatt9345
    @dushyantbhatt9345 ปีที่แล้ว

    was that a lieca watch on the wrist ??

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, I don't have one of those 🙂

  • @caypasha
    @caypasha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i just shoot overexposed if its sunny outside! ahah

  • @SeanJorgensen
    @SeanJorgensen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i mentioned i shoot without a light meter and people freaked out in my comments hahaha

  • @namvet_13e
    @namvet_13e หลายเดือนก่อน

    There are a lot of nice smartphone apps that use the camera features in the phone to create a light meter. If you install one of the lightmeter apps on your phone then you usually have a lightmeter with you.

  • @Michaelajacksonfilms
    @Michaelajacksonfilms 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But the light meter guys always get the goodlite leads!

    • @pushingfilm
      @pushingfilm  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Premium leads

  • @eliaspap8708
    @eliaspap8708 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing, sunny 16 is not going to help you always get the correct exposure, especially if the subject is little back light, with the right education and a spot meter that most cameras already have in built you don’t need a seperate light meter, especially SLRs. Exposing for negative film is easy once you learn the science of negative and the opposite positive film, both films require a similar approach but an emphases on shadow recovery for negative and highlight protection for positive.
    Let’s start with neg film, Here you need to start viewing the world in black and white, start understanding were in the scene your deep shadows, mid tones and highlights are, and if you want detail in those areas? Next start taking spot readings from your deepest shadows (Dark part of the scene) understand that your spot meter in your camera will turn everything it looks at into a neutral grey point (mid tone ) or even exposure 0, so once you have taken a reading from the darkest part of your scene let’s say for example it’s a black jacket your subject is wearing and your cameras spot meter is showing F8 @ 1/250 shutter, you need to remember that your spot reading will read everything you point it too and turn it into a neutral grey, mid tone, but this is not what we want our black jacket to become we need to look black but still retain texture. So what you need to do is close down 2 full stops go from 1/250 shutter to 1/1000 or f8 to f16, anymore then 2 stops and your blacks will start loosing texture, so now when pointing to the black jacket your meter should be saying -2 ev assuming your in manual mode, the rest of the scene unless it’s in uneven light will be exposed perfectly.
    Positive film is the complete opposite you meter for your whites (highlights) brightest part that you want texture and then add 2 stops over expose +2ev . Gets trickier with more complexed lighting but this how you can’t go wrong in simple evenly light scene.

  • @benjaminpoe1006
    @benjaminpoe1006 ปีที่แล้ว

    go and do leica-wise, gents~

  • @blanked3
    @blanked3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    tip: practice using digital cameras, like dslrs and mirrorless cameras

  • @altaccout
    @altaccout 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The instructions are great, but why are there so many cutaway jokes! Half way though I had to stop the video and just read the transcript

  • @frankbregulla564
    @frankbregulla564 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for info but insert clips really stupid

  • @deantaylor1512
    @deantaylor1512 ปีที่แล้ว

    Should have added.. don’t be afraid to spend…. Spend … spend ….. and when you get good … give it all up …
    Actually… just kidding… you should have added… just slow down … don’t be afraid to miss a shoot .. especially in street … something will happen again.. and very quickly in my experience… and stop walking.. just find a interesting spot .. and stay awhile..
    can’t stand watching all those street photogs who keep walking and snapping and walking on …

  • @deantaylor1512
    @deantaylor1512 ปีที่แล้ว

    And another thing.. please guys .. no more photos of people on mobile phones … yes phones exist.. and people use them .. get over it …