Here's my take on all of this: Omni Man CAN beat Bardock, but the way they explained it was kinda wonky. Now if they didn't include SS, I'd agree with everything they said. Still really liked the episode though
@@notwesley9180 there’s one problem, Bardock didn’t master the Super Saiyan form and because of that it drains his stamina and ki real quickly. We need to remember that the special where he obtained the form was just a promotional material for Dragon Ball Kinect. In other words, they just gave him the form for merchandise. Goku and Gohan had to train in the hyperbolic time chamber to get rid of that limitation.
It is really funny that almost everyone believed Omniman had speed and Bardock had power with Bardock winning, and Death Battle had the literal inverse happen.
That is one of the things that is brought back, the other things brought back are the Boadrd of Wizdom (not seen since season 3) and Boomstick announcing the next Death Battle (somthing he hasn't done since Scrooge vs. Shovel Knight.) the Wiz and Boomstick segments may return some time in the future I feel.
@@mightymanatee5342 I don’t think that’s the issue. Death Battle already owns the characters and I think they still use them in channel emotes and promo material. They probably had/have some budget and production issues and decided to shelve them. At least for the time being.
The funny thing is, if Freeza had hesitated and Bardock became a Super Saiyan, that would have just dispelled his fear right then and there because Super Saiyan Bardock would have be a roughly even match for Freeza's first, most restrained form.
Did you forget what happened when goku went super saiyan? If frieza in his final form at full power couldn't beat a super saiyan, what makes you think he ever could in his base form?
@@yoshitotem You know Super Sayain is just a base multiplier, right? So the only thing that matters are the base stats which base Bardock is weaker than base Goku during Namek.
@@yoshitotemthe fact that super saiyam bardock has a power levwl of 500k, 30k less than frieza's first form and way less than goku's base when he went super?
@@yoshitotem Goku was able to just barely keep pace with Freeza’s final form with Kaioken x20. But according to the dragon ball handbooks, Final form Freeza was 60 Million power. So Goku had to have been at 3 million to match him with a x20. Last I checked 3 million is bigger than ten thousand. You might wanna check those numbers again. Also, did I say natch? Goku got some hits but got mostly mollywopoed.
There's two ways one could interpret Omni-Man's last word: 1) The fact that he killed a caring family man 2) The ominous warning that other Saiyans could be en route - and just one of them pushed Nolan this hard
Wow, you managed to predict the verdict based on their analysis. Nice, dude. Also, the next episode is certainly going to be a "fun" debate. I "envy" the people over at the G1 fan blogs who now have to delve into this match-up. I'm sure they'll "love" it.
Notice the lack of animated segments. I guess that WAS Rooster Teeth’s portion that’s gone I mean it’s not a deal breaker But after some seasons with them Having the personality and quirks on display Not seeing them feels A tad jarring? Oh well.
We had them on screen for five and a half years, so we got used to seeing them but now we're back to the way it was leading up to the one hundredth episode, so you're right it's jarring. Maybe if they get enough sponsorship's to boost their budget we'll see them again but until then we still have a great show.
I never thought I’d see you reacting to Death Battle content! I’ve been a fan of yours for a while, so I’m excited to see you do more reactions as more episodes come out (especially since we’re free from Rooster Teeth barbarism). Also, I’m wishing you luck on the Blaze vs Starfire kickstarter as I’ve already donated my piece!
Yep considering the fact that Persona in a nutshell especially starting with Persona 3 that the Persona characters especially the main character are OP as heck, and since they'll go with canon True Endings for Persona 5 aka the game's endings aka Vanilla Persona 5 and the true ending in the epilogue added for Persona 5 Royal, and all canon sequels to P5 then that means Giorno maybe in trouble. As "Spoiler Alerts" Sataneal the evolved form of Joker/Akira's first and main Persona Arsene one-shotted Yabaoldoth the "God of Everything" in it's first attack with the Sinful Shell and then Joker/Akira managed to beat the now insane school psychologist Maruki who tried to use his own Persona to destroy the universe and remake it in his own image basically in a twisted way to make a perfect universe with no evil where people don't have to suffer because their free will would be stripped away and Joker/Akira managed to beat him and get him to see that his plan made him would in a way lead to people suffering as they would essentially be made emotionless slaves against their will.
As for Joker vs Giorno...hoo boy. Someone has recently told me that Gold Experience Requiem is entirely focused on reversing actions by affecting willpower alone (as in, no time manipulation). But if that's true, then a Stand power like that might not be very useful against a Persona user like Joker. It's noted quite a few times, especially in the Persona 5 series alone, that Personas shield and anchor their bearers' willpower (even against superior forces like Yaldabaoth and Salmael). Knowing that, it's questionable if Gold Experience Requiem can even prevent all of Joker's attacks.
I was surprised to say the least considering that most of the people who were doing their guesses for this fight said that Bardock would win thanks to the power boost of Super Saiyan. There is a version of this fight where Bardock wins and that's the Xenoverse version where he not only gets Super Saiyan but goes all the way up to the third form which would definitely give him the edge he needs to win.
As someone who use to like DB, glad you're having fun here. The main issue here is that you're basically asking "can a slightly weaker Vegeta beat a Raditz that's potentially faster than him?" And the answer is uh... No. Omniman isn't actually planetary from what I know. It took three guys to destabilize the core of planet viltrum and I'm pretty sure they say right after they would have died if they were even slightly off mark, which kinda contradicts the star scaling, especially when we see him getting pressed by the other super heros in the first episode, unless they got like... Near star level AP. I think the more likely interpretation here is that they'd probably just have a really hard time hitting a viltramite with the laser, they are quite small and fast, comparatively speaking. Even then, giving them that, I feel like they're kinda discounting the fact that Bardock was as strong as someone who blew up three planets with the wave of his hand because you don't just need the energy to blow up those three planets, you also need to account for fhr fact there's probably a Looooot of distance between them. The energy you'd need there is probably a lot closer than you'd think.
I loved this episode, but their conclusion was definitely wrong about Omni-man's strength. You could argue that Nolan's durability is better than Bardock's attack potency, but Nolan definitely has the lower attack potency. His defense does not equal his offense considering that he needed help to destroy a single planet that was already destabilizing.
Yeah they were definitely reaching considering Nolan not only needed to work with in perfect tandem with his son and Thaedus but also needed space racer to destabilize the planet because otherwise they’d die. Meanwhile *Base* bardock scales to a guy who can casually blow up multiple planets with a swing of his hand
They just keep using non-canon nonsensical filler. It took Freiza using his best attack to destroy planets and even then it took time. King Vegeta in that filler scene with him destroying multiple planets with a wave of his hand and using none of his power made him more powerful than Super Saiyan Goku and Full power Freiza. Also he tanked the planet he was on exploding point blank even though it was well documented that an exploding planet was a threat to Warriors as strong as Freiza and Super Saiyan Goku. Also what was he going to breath once the planet was gone?
Literally 99% of people who watched this death battle know that bardock would sweep omni man even without going super saiyan. But death battle has a long history of doing shit research
It’s not even about how Dragon Ball lost again. It’s about incorrect scaling for Omni man. He should be weaker since the planetary feat should’ve been cut by a third or more since it wasn’t solely him doing it.
@@simpleyetcomplex The feat wasn’t relevant in this case to be fair because of the solar disk scaling. Though they did mention in the analysis it was done aith help. I do still believe Bardock takes power but with the solar disk, likely not by much even if we decide to use Toei feats. Tho they scaled Bardock’s speed way too high tbh.. when Omni Man should have the speed edge
It’s a controversial verdict with questionable scaling…
Glad to have you back, Death Battle!
Here's my take on all of this: Omni Man CAN beat Bardock, but the way they explained it was kinda wonky. Now if they didn't include SS, I'd agree with everything they said. Still really liked the episode though
Like we never left, baby
@@notwesley9180 there’s one problem, Bardock didn’t master the Super Saiyan form and because of that it drains his stamina and ki real quickly. We need to remember that the special where he obtained the form was just a promotional material for Dragon Ball Kinect. In other words, they just gave him the form for merchandise. Goku and Gohan had to train in the hyperbolic time chamber to get rid of that limitation.
I can already tell this will be the new “Goku Vs Superman” Hot Button for this generation.
Honestly at this point I’ll be surprised if anyone takes DB seriously. Them making some crazy reach is par for the course.
TLDR: *We are so back!*
@@parkermaisterra8532Death Battle or Dragon Ball?
@@JoshioE110 Yes
Death Battle; it's good to have you back.
It is really funny that almost everyone believed Omniman had speed and Bardock had power with Bardock winning, and Death Battle had the literal inverse happen.
I really love the way the Super Saiyan hair glows against the darkness of space and the light of the blue sun. Such a perfect contrast.
Upset about those Wiz and Boomstick segments are absent but the fight was awesome!
The character designs were probably owned by Rooster Teeth so they might not be able to use them anymore.
That is one of the things that is brought back, the other things brought back are the Boadrd of Wizdom (not seen since season 3) and Boomstick announcing the next Death Battle (somthing he hasn't done since Scrooge vs. Shovel Knight.) the Wiz and Boomstick segments may return some time in the future I feel.
@@mightymanatee5342
I don’t think that’s the issue. Death Battle already owns the characters and I think they still use them in channel emotes and promo material. They probably had/have some budget and production issues and decided to shelve them. At least for the time being.
This is a dad-a-palusa. Dad's fighting, dad analysts, and a dad reacting.
The funny thing is, if Freeza had hesitated and Bardock became a Super Saiyan, that would have just dispelled his fear right then and there because Super Saiyan Bardock would have be a roughly even match for Freeza's first, most restrained form.
Did you forget what happened when goku went super saiyan? If frieza in his final form at full power couldn't beat a super saiyan, what makes you think he ever could in his base form?
@@yoshitotem You know Super Sayain is just a base multiplier, right? So the only thing that matters are the base stats which base Bardock is weaker than base Goku during Namek.
@@yoshitotemthe fact that super saiyam bardock has a power levwl of 500k, 30k less than frieza's first form and way less than goku's base when he went super?
@@yoshitotem Goku was able to just barely keep pace with Freeza’s final form with Kaioken x20. But according to the dragon ball handbooks, Final form Freeza was 60 Million power. So Goku had to have been at 3 million to match him with a x20.
Last I checked 3 million is bigger than ten thousand. You might wanna check those numbers again.
Also, did I say natch? Goku got some hits but got mostly mollywopoed.
Bardock definitely made Nolan work for it more than Homrlsnder did.
This episode was a great way to show that Death Battle is back. Also awesome reaction Josh.
There's two ways one could interpret Omni-Man's last word:
1) The fact that he killed a caring family man
2) The ominous warning that other Saiyans could be en route - and just one of them pushed Nolan this hard
Wow, you managed to predict the verdict based on their analysis. Nice, dude.
Also, the next episode is certainly going to be a "fun" debate. I "envy" the people over at the G1 fan blogs who now have to delve into this match-up. I'm sure they'll "love" it.
Notice the lack of animated segments.
I guess that WAS Rooster Teeth’s portion that’s gone
I mean it’s not a deal breaker
But after some seasons with them
Having the personality and quirks on display
Not seeing them feels
A tad jarring? Oh well.
We had them on screen for five and a half years, so we got used to seeing them but now we're back to the way it was leading up to the one hundredth episode, so you're right it's jarring. Maybe if they get enough sponsorship's to boost their budget we'll see them again but until then we still have a great show.
I never thought I’d see you reacting to Death Battle content! I’ve been a fan of yours for a while, so I’m excited to see you do more reactions as more episodes come out (especially since we’re free from Rooster Teeth barbarism). Also, I’m wishing you luck on the Blaze vs Starfire kickstarter as I’ve already donated my piece!
Wait scorcher laughed at a pun? Did hell freeze over?
*Freezer
Would you look at the matchups of Zelroms collages?
*sees the next Death Battle*
Money's on the one with the mask
Yep considering the fact that Persona in a nutshell especially starting with Persona 3 that the Persona characters especially the main character are OP as heck, and since they'll go with canon True Endings for Persona 5 aka the game's endings aka Vanilla Persona 5 and the true ending in the epilogue added for Persona 5 Royal, and all canon sequels to P5 then that means Giorno maybe in trouble.
As "Spoiler Alerts" Sataneal the evolved form of Joker/Akira's first and main Persona Arsene one-shotted Yabaoldoth the "God of Everything" in it's first attack with the Sinful Shell and then Joker/Akira managed to beat the now insane school psychologist Maruki who tried to use his own Persona to destroy the universe and remake it in his own image basically in a twisted way to make a perfect universe with no evil where people don't have to suffer because their free will would be stripped away and Joker/Akira managed to beat him and get him to see that his plan made him would in a way lead to people suffering as they would essentially be made emotionless slaves against their will.
Those smiles. You were just a kid in a candy store with this vid, weren't you?
Bummer they didn't get the VA for Abridged Bardok. But that's fine, they're distancing themselves from it, as shown by Goku v Superman 3.
I’m highly certain he was voiced by Takahata101, in which case it is a shame that he couldn’t return.
As for Joker vs Giorno...hoo boy.
Someone has recently told me that Gold Experience Requiem is entirely focused on reversing actions by affecting willpower alone (as in, no time manipulation). But if that's true, then a Stand power like that might not be very useful against a Persona user like Joker. It's noted quite a few times, especially in the Persona 5 series alone, that Personas shield and anchor their bearers' willpower (even against superior forces like Yaldabaoth and Salmael). Knowing that, it's questionable if Gold Experience Requiem can even prevent all of Joker's attacks.
My honest opinion for this fight
I love both equally and if one wins, I’ll be happy
This was a good reaction.
Hm, very nice Start to this New Era.
Say, did you support the Kickstarter? If so, which Tier did you go for?
"Which one?" If it was Raditz, no shot, he beats current Mark. Goku, on the other hand.
I was surprised to say the least considering that most of the people who were doing their guesses for this fight said that Bardock would win thanks to the power boost of Super Saiyan. There is a version of this fight where Bardock wins and that's the Xenoverse version where he not only gets Super Saiyan but goes all the way up to the third form which would definitely give him the edge he needs to win.
heroes has him go to super saiyan 4
You should start watching Death Battle more often.
Omni Man Avenged Megatron For Us Megatron Fan
As someone who use to like DB, glad you're having fun here.
The main issue here is that you're basically asking "can a slightly weaker Vegeta beat a Raditz that's potentially faster than him?" And the answer is uh... No.
Omniman isn't actually planetary from what I know. It took three guys to destabilize the core of planet viltrum and I'm pretty sure they say right after they would have died if they were even slightly off mark, which kinda contradicts the star scaling, especially when we see him getting pressed by the other super heros in the first episode, unless they got like... Near star level AP. I think the more likely interpretation here is that they'd probably just have a really hard time hitting a viltramite with the laser, they are quite small and fast, comparatively speaking.
Even then, giving them that, I feel like they're kinda discounting the fact that Bardock was as strong as someone who blew up three planets with the wave of his hand because you don't just need the energy to blow up those three planets, you also need to account for fhr fact there's probably a Looooot of distance between them. The energy you'd need there is probably a lot closer than you'd think.
Oh yeah, and uh... Pretty sure the answer is Girno
Obviously people watching these reactions tend to have seen the original first but I still feel like the video audio is vereeeery low here.
I know next to nothing about Invincible because I'm turned away by carnage like that, so I wouldn't know one way or the other who was gonna win.
I loved this episode, but their conclusion was definitely wrong about Omni-man's strength. You could argue that Nolan's durability is better than Bardock's attack potency, but Nolan definitely has the lower attack potency. His defense does not equal his offense considering that he needed help to destroy a single planet that was already destabilizing.
Yeah they were definitely reaching considering Nolan not only needed to work with in perfect tandem with his son and Thaedus but also needed space racer to destabilize the planet because otherwise they’d die.
Meanwhile *Base* bardock scales to a guy who can casually blow up multiple planets with a swing of his hand
Na bardock win 😂
They just keep using non-canon nonsensical filler. It took Freiza using his best attack to destroy planets and even then it took time. King Vegeta in that filler scene with him destroying multiple planets with a wave of his hand and using none of his power made him more powerful than Super Saiyan Goku and Full power Freiza. Also he tanked the planet he was on exploding point blank even though it was well documented that an exploding planet was a threat to Warriors as strong as Freiza and Super Saiyan Goku. Also what was he going to breath once the planet was gone?
Literally 99% of people who watched this death battle know that bardock would sweep omni man even without going super saiyan.
But death battle has a long history of doing shit research
Bardock should have won easily
It’s not even about how Dragon Ball lost again. It’s about incorrect scaling for Omni man. He should be weaker since the planetary feat should’ve been cut by a third or more since it wasn’t solely him doing it.
It’s dead battle- we don’t watch it for the accuracy but instead the cool fights and awesome music
@@simpleyetcomplex The feat wasn’t relevant in this case to be fair because of the solar disk scaling. Though they did mention in the analysis it was done aith help. I do still believe Bardock takes power but with the solar disk, likely not by much even if we decide to use Toei feats. Tho they scaled Bardock’s speed way too high tbh.. when Omni Man should have the speed edge
The death in this kinda just sucks. Its like Saitama one but lamer