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- A detailed look into what really goes into a V8 Supercar engine from one of the most successful engine builders in Australia. Join Ken from KRE Race Engines as we look at everything from billet cranks to custom made external oil pumps. See how technology has changed over the past 10 years and how important a good quality oil is for making these 5L monsters last the length of a full season of racing.
I like listening to people who know what they are talking about. Cool vid guys. 👍
Very rare in TH-cam videos these days
dane xrp
Yes, somehow the other group is less interesting. 🤣
dane xrp XRP to the moon 🙌🏼
I don't, I'd rather listen to YOU!
This is 10,000 times better than any tech segment with fox sports. Great infomation
that was the best run down of a supercar engine ever,congratulations.
My thoughts exactly
Big eye opener there! Did not know they got that sort of mileage out of the motors. And how old they actually were. Brilliant.
Gotta say, getting 650hp from a 5 litre with 10:1 compression is pretty impressive !
It is but it would be nice to see 700hp, theses cars have had this power for the last 20 years.
@@markmallinson935 yeah it’s boring
Getting the engine to rev to 7,500 helps.
@@markmallinson935 before control camshafts came in, a HRT engine mechanic (for Tanders' VE) said, when dyno tuning on a chassis dyno, they would make 600 hp at the tyres, so they have been above 700 for a few years now...
It has alot to do with the piston to wall clearance they run, the engines are effectively siezed when they are cold
I just went over my lunch break watching this. So bloody interesting.
Finally!! A tech based video, that is actually technical and not some marketing hash...love to see more!
Great job by Ken, KRE and Nulon. This came across as hugely informative and totally honest, definitely not just about giving the sponsor a bit of puff. Fascinating to hear about all the R&D and small incremental changes that have been done by Ken and his team, to this point where they can get 650hp out of a 5L pushrod V8 based on a 50 year old design and still make the block last for 20 years. Top work guys, brilliant engineering. I've used Nulon products for a long time and I'm certainly not going to stop now. Edit: Having a good old chuckle at all the "youtube experts" in the comments too... :)
They banned the 308 after Perkins won bathurst in 1993, The 308 Perkins engines were making 620hp in 93 for 25k each, sad in over 25 years and over a 100k more they making 640hp with the same rules.
More stuff like this please. Motorsport is always very interesting.
We are in the final stages of putting together a 780ci build breakdown. Stay tuned
If you have a spare 17 minutes I definitely recommend watching. Very informative. What this guy knows couldn't be bought.
Fantastic stuff! ... The knowledge shown in the video is great.
The biggest plus is the in depth "this is how it is because abc happened and now we do xyz".
You can tell the passion this bloke has in his product.
Not just a presenter trying to paraphrase what they've been told 2 minutes beforehand is refreshing!
great video! That's info I haven't found anywhere else and perfectly presented. Top job. Amazed at how much work those engines do before needing rebuilding.
I'm so glad I watched this video. The most interesting 17:48 minutes I could spend. Straight technical explanation in good detail on engineering and building racing engines. Thank you.
Just love how casually this guy is speaking, but his knowledge has come from years of experience and research! Great video even if it’s a plug for an engine oil 👍
Gale Banks is a big long plug for Banks engineering but so much information makes the plug incidental rather than nauseating. The killing a Duramax series has been fascinating seeing real world dyno figures on intercooler vs no intercooler, Tandem feeding turbos into a supercharger and how much extra the supercharger takes to compress an already compressed charge, even his diff cover vs the flat back bling ones.
This is one of the best insights into the inner workings of an amazing engine package.
It's always a pleasure to here from a professional engineer. This is exactly the type of information I want to know. Thank you!👍😃.
could not ever fall asleep to this guy ,. wow a guy who knows his stuff, no crap, just a down to earth guy who talks sence
I love the kre sprintcar engines by far the most reliable power source in Australian speedway from my experience
Amazing attention to detail, Ken really knows his engines
Ken Oath mate!
Amazes me the refinement over the years of all the engine components, but at the end of it, good oil is everything. Great video, thanks.
Probably the best video I have seen explaining the subtleties of building racing engines. Good job.
please do an extensive segment on the 410 sprint engines you also do so well. Fabulous insight
Great video and a great insight to how reliable these engines are these days. He's like the next level Mark Larkham when it comes to all the technical know how on the engines.
Ken has been there and done that!very nice to hear a professional talk the way he does.I appreciate the conviction in the way he delivers the facts.nice work.a pleasure to watch and hear👍
Great video spoken by the man himself. I’ve learned more in these 18 minutes then over the last 10 years. I’ve also completely revised my thoughts on Nulon products.
Really informative video, had me hooked all the way through. Brilliant job.
I wonder if there is anything this bloke doesn’t know about motors. Great insight into v8 supercar engines. The lifespan was a real surprise.
That was very informative 👍
Anyone who likes engines and knows a bit about them would appreciate how much detail there was in this video.
What a great video guys. Best breakdown of a Supercar engine I've seen. Keep up the good work. Cheers
This guy knows his motors! Very knowledgeable gent!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Watching this is more entertaining than the racing itself!
One of Australia"s Top Engine Builders, Great Stuff Kenny...World Class Engines,Workshop And Experience...
drcolster That’s what u tend to get when a business, such as that, builds their products to perform to a customers spec, rather than building it to suit a specific dollar value.
@@realaussiemale567 Yes..built to a spec because of The SuperCar Rulebook. and it does help when your getting paid big dollars for what you do..these SuperCar Engines cost plenty... you don't get the best parts and a workshop with the best of everything if your customers don't have Big Wallets...i've heard it from another top engine builder that talks to Kenny.. Kenny"s words, " I've done very well from building these engines."
I could listen to this guy talk engines all day
Clear, detailed and concise, awesome work. Cheers
Great info and knowledge!
Pitty about that annoying background “heavy metal” noise all the way through!
Amazing video. This guy is a consummate expert and it shows
Wonderfully informative video. Fantastic to listen to such an experienced person.
Wow 10 to 15yrs life expectancy, thats crazy, great vid 👍
Nice to listen to a guy who’s at the top of his job rather than people who bullshit their way through their job, riveting video 👍🏻
Wow, that's impressive, thanks Ken.
Excellent video guys. Loved the tech detail even though some was over my head lol. Keep up the good work
Great add for AUSTRAILAN OIL Nulon. Well done guys!
Brilliant video love listening to somebody who’s passionate about their craft
Been looking for something like this for years. Thanks put putting up - and your talent for the vid was perfect. You also did a great job promoting Nulon oil without making it an oil advertisement. Great balance. More of this please!
Excellent video
Wow this was a really good video, I like how they use Australian Nulon oils too.
V8 Supercar is what America's NASCAR should be. Great racing. Cars that look like stockers.
Enjoyed watching the video, very knowledgeable man 😀👍
excellent video, now i know a bit more about the issue with thin rings in use in ordinary cars, its rev them harder, i use Nulon oil because i believe its better and not expensive, made in Australia is the most important for me.
I just learnt heaps great video thankyou
Great information and well produced video. Would like to see a factory walk through of the whole process video.
Great stuff , thanks Nulon !
Great stuff Ken ..... world class !!!
Very very smart bloke and builds some great engines in all forms of motorsport
Outstanding video; really first rate. I think that NASCAR will have to evolve more towards this model/configuration of engine as the sport moves forward, especially for cost control.
BTW, did anyone happen to catch the brand of oil they run? I must've missed that. 🙄
In some ways NASCAR are more advanced, in others they are even more basic which makes their power output even more impressive.
@@dons1932 Agreed; cylinder head work, valve springs, max RPM, camshaft, etc. are all more 'massaged' in NASCAR, but then we are still dealing with a single carb-type throttle body, wet sump oiling system in the engine, and the wonderfully anachronistic truck arm, solid axle, rear suspension and recirculating ball steering box. I agree that it is amazing that they get them to run as fast as they do, but disc brakes for Martinsville now cost more than $20,000 PER WHEEL! V8 Supercar teams also don't need a fleet of 30+ cars to run 36 tracks. I just worry that NASCAR becomes less relevant to manufacturers and too pricey for sponsors. Time will tell!
That's EXTREMELY interesting -- 645HP (by what standard, I wonder?) out of only 5 liters (306 cubic inches) at only 7500RPM and with only 10:1 compression while using alcohol fuel and a pushrod cam valvetrain. (Is V8 Supercar still using E85?) That's WAY efficient!
I'm curious as to the intake and exhaust runner volumes, valve sizes, swirl characteristics, squish spec's...
It'd be REALLY interesting to see the torque and power curves...
I am sure you can find valve sizes and some information on net, for example:
www.cams.com.au/docs/default-source/sporting-technical/national/2019-super3-v8-touring-car-series-sporting-and-technical-regulations---version-1.pdf?sfvrsn=9baa75af_2
From "2019 Super3 V8 Touring Car Series - Sporting and Technical Regulations - Version 1":
T10 a,VI:
For each Ford and Holden Motor Sport engine, the maximum inlet valve diameter is 53.97
mm (2.125 inches)
Amazing Stuff ! Long Live the V8 !!!
awesome information about these engines he definitely knows his job
The video i didn't no i needed so much!
One thing is people knowing stuff, this thing is about knowing how to talk about the things he knows a lot about.
Same as with Papadakis. He knows, and he is good in formulating it to an audience that is interested.
very interesting how its all put together. it's up to the engine builder to get all the spec right. good to hear that some engines, spec's change after an engine has been run
On the comment about local oil, I have found the Nulon 5w 30 to be as good as other top line and more expensive oils. Now my first choice.
Yep, I agree - very informative and delivered with interest
Brilliant bit of engineering. And a great vid fellas.
Great piece - great depth- was it sponsored by Nulon though 😀
Oil is so critical. My superbike puts out a little more horsepower per litre (180 rwhp, 1301 cc engine), and there’s only one oil the manufacturer recommends. I bought mine in Germany and imported it when I came back after a few years, and the local dealers use the same brand oil but lower spec that has led to engine failures. It’s cheaper oil suited to engines with 1/3 the power because the shear strength is much lower. I’ve met several local racers whose engines have failed (big ends, some valves) because the Australian dealer uses lower spec oil. Oil...gotta use the best oil.
"Based off the D3 head", i'm assuming he means the Yates D3 Cleveland head , it has the same canted valve layout.
If this guy ever runs a open forum/ seminar on engines, I'd be there, beer in hand
It might be a 6 beer seminar though
Fascinating, amazing level of knowledge.
Could someone answer please?
The con-rods could be a lot lighter but the regulations specify 500g minimum. Would it be beneficial to make the piston side of the rod lighter and the crankshaft side heavier?
It would result in less reciprocal mass so less wear and maybe better acceleration but I’m not sure about that last point.
Anyone? Tia!
The sound of these V8s is what I grew up on, the deep grunting V8s like the LS are cool but the howling high revving race engines can’t be beaten
Lots of interesting stuff. Surprised they only run a 5 w 30 but I suppose the clearances are a lot tighter than a normal car and the synthetic would still have a better film strength than mineral oil.
[edit] I had started using the Nulon 15w 50 oil in my VS Commodore and found it to run very well and appears to stay clean for quite a while even with my mainly motorway running. Switched to the 5w 30 for my Holden Cruze and it has been good so far running the same motorway commuting. The Cruze has the Dexos spec which the Nulon has so happy to recommend. I expect to run this oil to max service life given its spec and the motorway running being easier on the oil than stop start traffic. My barometer for changing oil is when the car starts using oil which usually indicates aging and thickening.Bit of a rule of thumb but seems to work pretty well.
It’s all about the combination, great video thankyou
Love it! Thanks for the insight!
What a great video. I love to see this technical in depth video's from people who know where they are talking about. 1 question tho.. you talk about the inlet manifold because its part of the engine. I get that. But with that same logic, why are you not saying anything about (or show) the exhaust manifolt? From what i know, a good header can be a real asset to you enginepackage.
645 HP from 5L!!! I need to drop one of these into my 928 S4.
Yep all in by 7400rpm is the impressive part, rpm is often overlooked when people are talking hP per cube,
I would expect 2hp per cube on a 9000+rpm motor but 7400rpm is insane the decades of R&D are showing
The V8 in the 928 S4, in good health can perform pretty well, V8 supercar engine $100 000++.
The chamfer in the counterbalance looks backwards. Shouldn't the larger bevel be towards the main bearing so it can I pull more of the oil mist away from the rods and towards the main bearing?
645HP out of a NA 5 liter LS type small block WINNING!
Zero LS about them other than the coil packs!
@@fredbtmb33 yep, a generic casting for every team
Its actually a copy of the ford Windsor
The heads are a copy D3 Yates heads as he said
The only thing chev is the row of head bolts along the out side of the head as they use small studs
@@mikec9112 289/302 is still a Windsor they've been making them since 63👍🏻
So basically there running a boss 302
So how do supercars regulate the Nissan dohc v8 to the push rod ford/holden engine? They should all be running a dohc 5L engine. The ford coyote is a great package.
simple they have a HP limit and component weight limit they all have to abide by
Clint Waters supercars are a holden benifit race, has been for years. All 4v DOHC engines are nobbled to give the 2v GM product a chance. Fords weren't allowed to run their 4v DOHC engines for the same reason. BMW i6 used to run 11rpm and compete with the v8 bangers, but.... the crap rules then restricted rpm to 7500, and the smaller engine Bimmer could compete any more. Ask why the Ford XR6T TurbomBarras weren't allowed to run - GM benefit race. A complete joke. Also... 650hp ? My daily is 800hp, and the engine is 100% unopened factory stock.
The engineering is so interesting.
So that's how much power they get with rules imagine what they could do if they said right go for it do what you like
The problem then becomes who has the biggest wallet for r & d this all motors are within 10-15 hp of each other and I assume trans are standard makes it more about strategy of when to save fuel or tires and when to push harder also shows the skills of the drivers
they would make around 800hp from 5 liters. Nascar were making around 950 and over 9000 rpm with a 5.8 when they had open rules on engine. these days they make 500
Brilliant video, thanks!
Kre are great to deal with! Great vid!
Amazing content!!!!
Thank you so much for the video.
Is your oil available in South Africa? Would consider using it in my circuit racing applications.
Please let me know?
Jacques Smith so while we are Aus based, sparesbox.com.au will ship to SA for the right quantity. We also support you with the same technical analysis as we offer to the big guys via our oil testing system. Engineoiltest.com.au
@@nulon Legends, thanks.
I will contact you for pricing, QTY`s etc.
Thanks
This bloke knows his stuff.
This guy definitely has a clue. High performance and durability is desirable.
Talented, gifted and supremely knowledgeable boys.
Utmost respect to you.
This was a Nulon advertisement. just saying. Video should say. "this is what we at Nulon do in conjunction with KRE team"
We dont really have anything to do with building supercar engines Max, so the only thing we do in conjunction with KRE is oil testing.
It was but not done with bad taste or overkill. Advancements in oil technology is why these engines last. The old Mobil 1 was first but there may be better oils nowadays and not as premium priced.
Nice numbers. Pity we don't get to see the power graphs.They really tell the story. Secret to every team.
quiet enjoyable explanations.
What a cool video. How much total ignition timing do you run?
Great video 👍
Great video. Thanks.
Does Bosch Make an LS compatible version of those Surface Discharge Spark pluges?! If yes where can I order some from?!?!
Do they use flat plane cranks. Are they ever going to go over head quad cams an increase the rev limit.🇦🇺
About the only component that interchanges [and with work] is the crank. And that is an odd size. A 302 Chev or Ford factory is 4x3"
So I guess the short deck block call for a short crank.
The oiling and the pan and pump are a work of art. But also very expensive in comparison to buying an over the counter pump and pan. Which really still does the same job. And some Sprintcar engines still use them, wether belt or cam driven. And they have 200+ more power and 1500 more rpm. And these days seldom fail except for valve springs and blocked injectors leaning an engine on one hole
aus racing is just for the camera,its advertising,not racing.all the same car,different badge.racing is dead,in aus.british touring cars are more exciting..
@@phantomwalker8251 How so? They are all 2 ltr Turbos and have very similar regs to Supercars. And only have 350+BHP. I watch it and whilst is good, no where near as good as Supercars. So, really the BTCC is just badge racing as well.
“We run a 7 mil valve on the intake, 5/16 on the exhaust”
Metric or Imperial?
Why choose when can have both!
🤣
No disrespect though, most probably not your choice and there’ll be an explanation for it.
Lots and lots of interesting information densely packaged in a 17:49 video.
Thank you very much!
Surprised to learn how long most parts last. Tx to Nulon of cause.
Current Batches
I’m an EU citizen so metric is my ‘native reference but also have some intuitive idea of inches and feet.
Just yesterday I watch a video where a the amount of logs where calculated needed to saw a certain amount of lumber. ~Mixing up~ combining cubic inches and feet. I was completely lost.
It’s unfortunate that under most circumstances the imperial system is just as usable as the metric system is because otherwise all countries in the world would use the the metric system in stead of all countries accept Myanmar, The US and Liberia. 😉
this guy has a v8 brain!!
I would rather watch V8 supercars over American nascar . 1 of my favorite sounding engines going up through the gears . They would be amazing to watch at Laguna Seca.
Hell yes Laguna and Spa would be the perfect 2 international tracks Supercars should go to.
So, how does one fit one of these into a 1991 Holden Barina?
Lift the hatch, take out the back seats and mid-mount it...
Cut hole with can opener, hot glue gun it in; sorted
I didn't quite hear what plug you use. Is it the Bosch motorsport Spark Plug F05CE0?