@@xitrox0895 Telling people to stop coping here is so strange. Can't you even just admit Zac is strong? What do you even MEAN by coping? Just look at the facts brother. He is one of the highest winrates for every role. Its him... Zac is himself overpowered. I picked him up for this fact... when I want a free ez game I play Zac. Its that simple! He can stay in lane for ever... for how much sustain he has, he also has the most CC in the game for a single champion... and he has the damage... and he has huge mobility/escapes/engage... huge AP scalings if you need damage, but also HP scalings which are broken in this meta by themselves. Just cuz you disagree with something doesn't mean anyone is coping. You're treating the phrase like a catch-all .. like you can call anything "racist" when you're mad at it.
love the vids where you explain your thought process, the ranked games where you're just flashy and fragging out are a lot of fun to watch but these videos actually make me feel like i better understand the game.
The problem with talon is not that it is weak imo, it is more about him being CLUNKY AF -> Auto required to proc passive which is basically 1/3 of your damage but it has one of the worst base attack speeds in the game AND one of the worst attack speed scalings with a horrible AA animation. -> Walls blocked by E are super inconsistent -> No true engage other than wasting half of your Q damage
Your Q resets AA animation so just practice ur combos with AA resets more. Engage is ur map knowledge with how and when to jump and mind control ur opponent with wall hugging. The only real problem with talon is E bug and mana issues (on lane)
It is strange to argue about "Talon strength" when the meta is ALL AROUND TANKS. Erknaite take isn't bad, I actually agree with him and PusiPuu in regards some points they made, Talon is indeed kinda aids to play against, even more when your team is clueless, he is one of the few champions who will make you suffer when he gets tempo advantage. But... the guy's opinion is just nonsense and clearly bitter towards Kaostanza. Besides Talon, there is only like 2/3 others assassin junglers playable currently. Kaostanza just happens to be one of the few players who can milk his OTP 'til the limit and make it look WAY MORE OP than it actually is. Anyway, just keep making content and don't lower your head gang, you are one greatest players out here, keep going!
Brother that can be said about almost any fed assasin like oh enemy fed qiyana is going invis with grass 5 times stunning everyone or ah the fed blue kayn is running through walls one shoting me the freaking zed is everywhere and I get one shot by R auto E
@@gtgaminghq1733 Yeah but it’s cringe that Akali, Leblanc and Katarina are also really frustrating to play against yet they’re always in a good state, and those champions can but fucking Hourglass lmao, as assassins. And all 3 of them have been known to build AD/on-hit when their main damage type doesn’t work. So disgusting
@@gtgaminghq1733 counterplay to assassins is their weak early game (zed or formless kayn are literall minions before 2 items) BUT talon insanely strong early game (highest 1st blood rate lvl2) in combine with an op jngl role (in terms of pressure and snowballing the game). Thats what makes talon (and rengar tbh) strongest assassins
Idk why everyone is saying Talon is good atm, I played him allyear last Season and it was rough but playable This Season I don't think I won a game yet, no matter what I build I literally do 60% of a adc healthbar with a full combo and then die in 2 autos I'm so close to dropping the champ atm even to I used to love playing him...
I landed a full combo on a Rek’Sai with only Stridebreaker and Steelcaps (I had Youmuu’s and Dirk, 1 level above her) and literally only dealt 350 of her 700 HP. W R auto Q auto, 350 damage. I also have a clip where I’m full build with Cleaver and my melee Q dealt 250~ damage to a 0 armor Jhin in melee range. 6 item Talon btw. Fun.
@@creak3293 Yea feels, I went back to Rengar for now, he also isn't in a great spot but at least I can kill people when I'm ahead. I really hope they do something about everyone beeing so goddamn tanky at some point in this season .. copium
Hey Kaos, Would you say mid talon is significantly weaker than jg talon, or is there any way to overcome the weaknesses so that you can snowball as much as jg talon? Ty for the content, very appreciative of seeing high elo talon content
Not weaker, just not as snowbally like Jungle. Mid Talon suffers from p*ssy mages clearing the wave and poking you, and a lot of matchups are skill matchups besides them. Talon Jungle can rotate even faster and doesn't have to care about someone pushing your wave and hitting your tower every 30 seconds. If you wanna climb faster, play Jungle; if you don't care and just want to improve, the laning and hard matchups in Midlane can give you a big insight about Talon and his mechanics.
@@TheMonkeyNetwork mages items are fucking disgusting, they can do ap critics, they can true reveal, they made you inmune, they can boost the ults with a Morgana W thing, they give 1k shield and infinite mana, oh and all of these items also give 300 hp, nice.
Meanwhile mage 1shots from half a screen away, outdmg you at every stage of game. Have better pen, absurd base hp for some reason, deal more dmg to turrets, have better counter options and they still complain or cry about MR when it is impossible to counter magic dmg in this game. One should just check dmg numbers on mage items post game.
Talon needs a rework; he's very outdated. I've been playing only Talon mid for three months, and while climbing the ranks, I noticed that players could easily shut him down since he has many difficult matchups. Then I started playing Fizz and Akali and realized that playing Talon is only for those who wants to have a hard life. He's strong in certain situations, but he lacks the burst damage that other assassins have. Zhonya’s and peel supports can easily render him useless. You can’t just burst someone and escape-once you go in, it’s do or die. It makes me sad because I really like the champion’s concept, but there are far better and more rewarding options out there.
Can you please make a 2025 build guide? I see you build some crazy shit on talon and i just sont have enough confidence to build it in my games because i do not know when exactly do i go for anti shield, axiom, dd, bc, antiheal etc.
Zac abuser crying it's crazy. Broken champ for MULTIPLE SEASONS complaining about talon Assassins are bad, talon is an assassin (bad) and is bad Bruiser and tank meta for 9999 seasons
Talon is the only playable assassin right now zed & qiy is dogshi & I have 0 clue why is a rengar main even speaking when that’s the best champ in the game LMAOOO
zac mains talking about broken champs is a moment for the books
Zac isn’t op since 3 years at least stop your coping
@@xitrox0895 kappa
@@xitrox0895you mean Zac hasn't *stopped being OP for the last 3 years
@@xitrox0895 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHA UR NOT A REAL HUMAN I CANT EVEN XDDDDDDDD
@@xitrox0895 Telling people to stop coping here is so strange. Can't you even just admit Zac is strong? What do you even MEAN by coping? Just look at the facts brother.
He is one of the highest winrates for every role. Its him... Zac is himself overpowered. I picked him up for this fact... when I want a free ez game I play Zac. Its that simple! He can stay in lane for ever... for how much sustain he has, he also has the most CC in the game for a single champion... and he has the damage... and he has huge mobility/escapes/engage... huge AP scalings if you need damage, but also HP scalings which are broken in this meta by themselves.
Just cuz you disagree with something doesn't mean anyone is coping. You're treating the phrase like a catch-all .. like you can call anything "racist" when you're mad at it.
Pdf dia stuck zac main complaining about talon
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love the vids where you explain your thought process, the ranked games where you're just flashy and fragging out are a lot of fun to watch but these videos actually make me feel like i better understand the game.
You're the reason bro that I still play league and not giving up on maining Talon
Could you do a updated talon guide? Like your thoughts when playing and how to find leads and turn it into wins?
thank you kaostanca for helping me win 50/50 on jinhsi and and getting her weapon at 20 pity :D
This is the best video ever
The problem with talon is not that it is weak imo, it is more about him being CLUNKY AF
-> Auto required to proc passive which is basically 1/3 of your damage but it has one of the worst base attack speeds in the game AND one of the worst attack speed scalings with a horrible AA animation.
-> Walls blocked by E are super inconsistent
-> No true engage other than wasting half of your Q damage
Your Q resets AA animation so just practice ur combos with AA resets more. Engage is ur map knowledge with how and when to jump and mind control ur opponent with wall hugging. The only real problem with talon is E bug and mana issues (on lane)
Wow super gaming!
god of talon, idol.
Nice
Kaostanza my beloved
It is strange to argue about "Talon strength" when the meta is ALL AROUND TANKS. Erknaite take isn't bad, I actually agree with him and PusiPuu in regards some points they made, Talon is indeed kinda aids to play against, even more when your team is clueless, he is one of the few champions who will make you suffer when he gets tempo advantage. But... the guy's opinion is just nonsense and clearly bitter towards Kaostanza. Besides Talon, there is only like 2/3 others assassin junglers playable currently. Kaostanza just happens to be one of the few players who can milk his OTP 'til the limit and make it look WAY MORE OP than it actually is. Anyway, just keep making content and don't lower your head gang, you are one greatest players out here, keep going!
Tanks are strong but I think they’re more balanced than usual rn. Mages are strongest I think, then bruisers.
Brother that can be said about almost any fed assasin like oh enemy fed qiyana is going invis with grass 5 times stunning everyone or ah the fed blue kayn is running through walls one shoting me the freaking zed is everywhere and I get one shot by R auto E
@@gtgaminghq1733 Yeah but it’s cringe that Akali, Leblanc and Katarina are also really frustrating to play against yet they’re always in a good state, and those champions can but fucking Hourglass lmao, as assassins. And all 3 of them have been known to build AD/on-hit when their main damage type doesn’t work. So disgusting
@@gtgaminghq1733 counterplay to assassins is their weak early game (zed or formless kayn are literall minions before 2 items) BUT talon insanely strong early game (highest 1st blood rate lvl2) in combine with an op jngl role (in terms of pressure and snowballing the game). Thats what makes talon (and rengar tbh) strongest assassins
@@creak3293 any ap champ is always broken by design that's been a fact for years now
Ah yes the Assassin does alot of dmg.....twitter at its best
Idk why everyone is saying Talon is good atm, I played him allyear last Season and it was rough but playable
This Season I don't think I won a game yet, no matter what I build I literally do 60% of a adc healthbar with a full combo and then die in 2 autos
I'm so close to dropping the champ atm even to I used to love playing him...
I landed a full combo on a Rek’Sai with only Stridebreaker and Steelcaps (I had Youmuu’s and Dirk, 1 level above her) and literally only dealt 350 of her 700 HP. W R auto Q auto, 350 damage. I also have a clip where I’m full build with Cleaver and my melee Q dealt 250~ damage to a 0 armor Jhin in melee range. 6 item Talon btw. Fun.
@@creak3293 Yea feels, I went back to Rengar for now, he also isn't in a great spot but at least I can kill people when I'm ahead. I really hope they do something about everyone beeing so goddamn tanky at some point in this season .. copium
Hey Kaos,
Would you say mid talon is significantly weaker than jg talon, or is there any way to overcome the weaknesses so that you can snowball as much as jg talon? Ty for the content, very appreciative of seeing high elo talon content
ofc talon mid is way worse
Not weaker, just not as snowbally like Jungle. Mid Talon suffers from p*ssy mages clearing the wave and poking you, and a lot of matchups are skill matchups besides them. Talon Jungle can rotate even faster and doesn't have to care about someone pushing your wave and hitting your tower every 30 seconds. If you wanna climb faster, play Jungle; if you don't care and just want to improve, the laning and hard matchups in Midlane can give you a big insight about Talon and his mechanics.
@@simplesmenteratojgkkfacts
duoq is how you overcome weakness xd
Ofc talon mid is worse, SO MUCH WORSE
are you gonna do a guide?
Yo hail of blade still good? Or should go conq everygame?
Bruh i can be 5 kills up on Talon and still not oneshot (WITH A FULL COMBO) most mages.
Meanwhile the mage in question that your trying to one shot has only 1 mana item that gives him 1k shield and also still one shots with 1 rotation
@@gtgaminghq1733you can just say it's Mel and Aurora it's fine
That is so real bro...... Even 10 kills up full talon combo won't kill sometimes
@@TheMonkeyNetwork mages items are fucking disgusting, they can do ap critics, they can true reveal, they made you inmune, they can boost the ults with a Morgana W thing, they give 1k shield and infinite mana, oh and all of these items also give 300 hp, nice.
Meanwhile mage 1shots from half a screen away, outdmg you at every stage of game. Have better pen, absurd base hp for some reason, deal more dmg to turrets, have better counter options and they still complain or cry about MR when it is impossible to counter magic dmg in this game. One should just check dmg numbers on mage items post game.
so real mr kaos so real 🥲
Mr Kaos very handsome
zac mains doesn't get to have opinions
Diamond stuck zac otp claiming talon is op..
wild.
i started playing talon jungle and i am watching your videos to learn so thank you. ( also can you drop the name of the wallpaper pls )
Acheron by Raiko
Talon needs a rework; he's very outdated. I've been playing only Talon mid for three months, and while climbing the ranks, I noticed that players could easily shut him down since he has many difficult matchups. Then I started playing Fizz and Akali and realized that playing Talon is only for those who wants to have a hard life. He's strong in certain situations, but he lacks the burst damage that other assassins have. Zhonya’s and peel supports can easily render him useless. You can’t just burst someone and escape-once you go in, it’s do or die. It makes me sad because I really like the champion’s concept, but there are far better and more rewarding options out there.
So one thing I don't understand is if you're going assassin talon now why are you building cleaver instead of serylda's? for the 300hp?
Can you please make a 2025 build guide? I see you build some crazy shit on talon and i just sont have enough confidence to build it in my games because i do not know when exactly do i go for anti shield, axiom, dd, bc, antiheal etc.
Mr Kaos which is your favorite assasins creed game?
AC2 > Brotherhood > Odyssey
I’ve been hardstuck bronze for 5 years 😭
Haha that guy is permamuted for years by everyone after seeing just 2 tweets
How are custom skins allowed in the game?! I don't get it why would Riot allow modifying core files of the game?
Zac abuser crying it's crazy.
Broken champ for MULTIPLE SEASONS complaining about talon
Assassins are bad, talon is an assassin (bad) and is bad
Bruiser and tank meta for 9999 seasons
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Oh ur Viet lol
selfmade
we finally got a actual streamer who represents Talon and not a furry guy
UwU lurkz is best girl
Why people hate talon, their so f**king bad at the game.
Talon is the only playable assassin right now zed & qiy is dogshi & I have 0 clue why is a rengar main even speaking when that’s the best champ in the game LMAOOO
XD rengar best champ yeaaah...definitely not cluegi
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@@2nightwehuntgm peak I don’t argue with low elo shi stains
@@Tsume524I’d bet 5k you and the other guy are gold peak players
@ lilbro cant even drop lolpros while talking big xdd
Also,isnt 5k like ur whole family annual income ? Dont bet ur last money so easily broke boy.