Had my A7 for a month. Unusually the car didn't have a reversing camera so I had one installed a week ago....right choice. It makes such a difference. Otherwise the car has everything I need, Black Edition just looks classy and of course the 21"Rotors show off the Ibis White beautifully. Barely run in by one owner and £35k under new price, driving heaven.
@@monkeypops85 ...I opted for the HD Camera with night vision. £700 installed in about 5 hours. Audi couldn't do it. Apparently, parts are on long order. I got the impression they didn't want to do it. My local Audio Specialist in Bromsgrove did the job and I'm very pleased with it.
I've had my A7 for just over 4 months. It's the best car ive owned. I've also gone for the heads up display very handy cant really go wrong on average speed cameras etc.
Upgrading my 2015 Audi A6 black edition to a white 2016 A7 black edition bi-turbo car should be here by Friday so excited plus it has the tech pack so that’s a huge plus roll on the weekend
DEEK1NG 666 I drive a bi turbo.... they are blisteringly quick and sound fabulous..... not at all jealous (much!). Let me know how the pick up goes... enjoy!
Was just talking with the dealer the lorry driver might not be able to pick it up this week ☹️ but still very excited I had a spin in a 2014 model bi-turbo and it was crazy compared to my 3.0 A6 but the 2016 looks way better I’ll keep you posted on the car
Fast and (Car) Curious The car just arrived today had to out for a drive it’s awesome and it’s got the technology pack it’s savagely quick 😬 my dealer is keeping the car till Monday so his technicians can give it a once over then it’s coming home only thing I noticed was condensation in the two headlights but I rang my local Audi dealers and they said it’s normal because of the weather at the moment so I’ll see how that plays out I’ll get pictures up ASAP so excited to get it home 😎
@@fastandcarcurious4768. I've picked up a low mileage example that I've got as my toy as I have a company car too. I'm guessing you racked up the Miles and got rid due to using it for work ? What did you replace it with ? And is there anything I should be looking for when I go and view mine. Thanks in advance.
David Fletcher A7s are bullet proof. I did spend £260 upgrading the MMI to give me Apple CarPlay. Other than that just tyres and servicing ! It came to the end of the lease and I switched from leasing to buying (albeit older cars)..... I now have a Jag XKR and a LR Discovery. I’ll make some videos of both when we get some summer!!!
@@fastandcarcurious4768 I've got a 69 plate 1.5 diesel focus as my company motor which is a brilliant piece of kit very easy to live with and a great commuter, better than the 17plate AMG 2.2 Aclass merc I had. My A7 is a 67 plate with 60k on it full audi service history for 22k which looking at what's out there I've got quite a good deal. Now the Jags a different kettle of fish how are you finding it ?
Nice video buddy. I own a A5 2010 TDI S-line and I'm thinking to change it for an A5 Black Edition 2015 TDI or Petrol or...an A7 TDI with 268hp from 2015 at least. Unfortunally I am not that lucky to find a good deal like the guys who posted here, such as 16k pounds. I am "hunting" the autotrader for almost 2 weeks and the cheapest I could find is a 24k from 2015 with couple of thousand miles :( I would need some tips to know how to find a good price for a good A7. Best of luck !
Great video these are the videos I really like to watch. I'm torn between getting A6 Avant or A7 after watching this it's easy choice now.......... A7 3.0L quattro S line
007KURGAN !! Great move . Definitely the better looking car.... I still get stopped at petrol stations and supermarket car parks to be asked about the car !! That never happened with my A6!!
NIce car. I have a 3.0TDI biturbo 2015 and now its already 95000km. Recently I was struggling whether I need to do the transmission oil service, although the 8 speed automatic transmission is claimed no need to replace the oil in lifetime but I don't believe that.... What do you think? Besides, I also have the MMI navigation problem of wrong positioning, do you have the problem? It is not always wrong.
I think the idea behind not being able to close the tailgate from the remote is for safety as opposed to a lack of thought, annoying but then not a bad thing when you think about it
djfld and yet many others are. Also the lid stops when it detects an obstruction. Just seems odd given that other manufacturers do supply the ability for closing remotely too. But you make a good point. Thanks for the comment !
As do you! I think it would be slicker if you could close the tailgate from the remote but it wouldn't put me off getting what is essentially a near perfect car
Great video. Nice to see a UK car being reviewed online. I'm picking up a 65 plate black Ed with tech pack in a the next week. One query I had was regarding the colour sat nav between the dials. Do you think that would be on the car I'm getting? It has head up display etc, but the dealer didn't seem too sure about the nav and could only find the directional arrows...?
monkeypops85 It should have. Mine was (gone now) only a year younger and had it as part of the tech pack. I also had mine upgraded by the local Audi main dealer to have Apple Car Play installed into the infotainment system.... brilliant !
@@alex25wrc I bought a Jag XKR as a “weekend” car but love it so much I drive it all the time..... which meant the A7 was collecting dust on the drive. Got rid and saved myself a fortune in PCP costs. Bought a LR Discovery (2012) instead .... loved it but missed the tech and so upgraded to a new model Disco in August. Absolutely love it. Might produced some Discovery and XKR vids soon.
I did drive the BiTdi and it’s an absolute missile!! But I don’t know if the extra cost is worth it. I never at any time wished I had more power. Very swift and an overtaking monster !
Really informative video! but I have a question, we all know that manufacturers mark up/inflate their RRP, so I'm just interested to know, how much did you actually purchase it for? I'm looking at buying a used 16/17 plate, specced like yours, with 45k miles for £22k - is that a good price to pay?
qwerty yes that looks a good price to me. Loaded up I should have paid 58k. Paid 19500 less, but interestingly at this point (three years into a four year PCP I’m £5k in negative equity!!)
Thanks for making the effort with the video. Really informative. I'm replacing my 2017 e220d in the next couple of weeks (not impressed by the build quality of it at all!), and I've considered pretty much every alternative (BMW 640d gran coupe, Jag XJ, Golf R, No Mercs!!), and as I want something faster with more torque (Budget max £30k), I've made my mind up on a 2016/17 A7 Bitdi Black edition (the new 55TDI is out of price range sadly). But there are so few Bitdi's available that I'm really struggling to find one of the spec I'm looking for (tech pack, parking pack, advanced key, daytona grey, moonlight blue, or possibly white). So I'm considering the 272 that you went for. Did you testdrive the bitdi too? Is there any part of you that wishes you'd gone for the bitdi? As I could open up a lot more potential cars, but I worry that I'll regret not going for the extra power and beefier sounding (albeit fake) exhaust in the bitdi. Thanks.
Tim Furiel I did drive the BiTDI. It sounds great (but fake as you point out) and is faster, but at no point have I I ever thought I was short on power. The 272 is very pokey. The biggest difference is actually experienced away from the lights. The 272 only has one turbo and it’s a big one and so although you get a lot of torque there is some lag. You don’t get this from the Bi as the smaller turbo spins up faster. The 272 is an epic car and extremely reliable too.
@@fastandcarcurious4768 Appreciate that. ...Though I actually veered off course 'slightly' and am picking up a 65 plate S7 at the weekend now. Found one with amazing spec and same price as BiTDI so thought I'd just go for it and try not to worry about the running costs 😬
What a great video. I'm so tempted to buy a black edition 2017 same spec as yours now. I can't decide to go for this or a BMW x4 m sport 3.0? Anyone help..
David Rahim thank you! I think the decision is a very personal one. For me BMW styling has lost its way, but I have friends who love the current crops of BM’s. Drive them both ..... let me know how you get on.
I always tought they dont let you close it because you might accidentaly press the button while going trough stuff in the trunk,idk if it stops but i tried to hold it on mine and i couldnt keep it.be careful
Great video, exactly what i was looking for. Have an A6 avant BE from new and now 4 yrs old so looking to change it. One question, did the discount include the deposit contribution from the manufacturer, currently £10k ( Jan 2018). i am going to try emailing some dealers as you did. Want the same model.
+Fast and (Car) Curious As the A7 is just about to be replaced i finally decided to get one and got a great deal on it. Swapping out of myA6 avant BE. get the car in 2 weeks. mid March 2018. This video helped me make up my mind. Thanks again.
Nick Carvell great move. Now the new version is launched the current model will see huge discounts so push and push! Fantastic car. I’m planning my 25000 mike report as we speak so that I can share some real world learnings about the car.... but needless to say it’s a corker!
Hi mate, great video, I’ve been thinking about an a7 for a while and considering a factory order before Christmas. Which technology pack did you go for? They currently do £2500 tech pack and tech pack advanced £3800. Which one did you go for? If it was the lower pack what was included in it?
Leon Scott-Cullen. Hi Leon, make sure that you get a huge discount now that then new model is announced. Residuals of the current model will dive next year when the new one hits. I got standard tech pack, so head up display, tft in between the dials, Audi phone box. Tech pack High brings radar cruise. That was correct as of September 16 and so you need to double check current spec. I think 2017 brought apple car play too. Good luck.... a damn good car and for the first time ever I’m not looking to change it after 12 months! :)
Fast and (Car) Curious thanks for the advice, I’ve wanted this car since early this year, I was aware of the new model coming out so wanted to wait to see it, but not impressed, my only gripe with the existing model is if the tech will stand the test of time over the next few years. But the maps and interface look a lot better than I thought so you might have persuaded me! Great vid!
Hi Mate I currently have a 2015 audi a7 same 272 black edition with 20k plus miles so im looking for a replacement could you let me know the actual cost of your with your's monthly deposit ect large discount.
Hi. Great video - really informative. The deal you mention: £6500 deposit and £420/month, does that come with an annual mileage cap? Also, is there a balloon payment to be made at the end? Thanks in advance.
I'm about to change my 2014 330d touring and I've been hunting for an a6 avant blk ed 3.0 ... no joy upto now but I'm seriously considering an a7 like yours as they seem pretty good value compared to the a6 . I've had BMW tourings for years with the odd avant 3.0 thrown in but the ride and BMW run flats make me want a bit more comfort . Don't want a 2.0 Audi as we have a 2016 q5 190 and while it's ok for my Mrs it's a bit boring for me if I'm honest .. thanks and great review
Mark Murphy i had the A6 previously and despite being a good motor it was a little dull. The A7 is more handsome and also falls into Audi’s Business banding , along with the A8. This means kit levels are better :)
Really good video mate. Very informative. I’m tallying up costs between an A7 or a CLA45. You couldn’t possibly tell approximately how many miles you get to a tank on average and what it costs you to fill from empty in £ if possible
Sorry - Performance in a 2plus tons heavy TRUCK - Naaahhh - probably on the straight - but the TGV train is faster on the straight- bottom line : its 1 ton to heaaaaavy (plus pretty ugly) buts thats subjective !
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Had my A7 for a month. Unusually the car didn't have a reversing camera so I had one installed a week ago....right choice. It makes such a difference. Otherwise the car has everything I need, Black Edition just looks classy and of course the 21"Rotors show off the Ibis White beautifully. Barely run in by one owner and £35k under new price, driving heaven.
Hi, what was the cost to have the camera installed?
@@monkeypops85 ...I opted for the HD Camera with night vision. £700 installed in about 5 hours. Audi couldn't do it. Apparently, parts are on long order. I got the impression they didn't want to do it. My local Audio Specialist in Bromsgrove did the job and I'm very pleased with it.
I've had my A7 for just over 4 months. It's the best car ive owned. I've also gone for the heads up display very handy cant really go wrong on average speed cameras etc.
DJDanny love HUD, and with the reversing camera, I reverse into every space
Thanks for the video, hoping to pick my 65 plate up soon with technology pack plus
Gorgeous looking car picking up mine few days from now
how is the experience? i get mine im 5 days from carvana with 50k miles
Upgrading my 2015 Audi A6 black edition to a white 2016 A7 black edition bi-turbo car should be here by Friday so excited plus it has the tech pack so that’s a huge plus roll on the weekend
DEEK1NG 666 I drive a bi turbo.... they are blisteringly quick and sound fabulous..... not at all jealous (much!). Let me know how the pick up goes... enjoy!
Sorry... should have been ‘drove’ not ‘drive’ ... I wish!
Was just talking with the dealer the lorry driver might not be able to pick it up this week ☹️ but still very excited I had a spin in a 2014 model bi-turbo and it was crazy compared to my 3.0 A6 but the 2016 looks way better I’ll keep you posted on the car
DEEK1NG 666 please do. Post some pix once you’ve got it!
Fast and (Car) Curious The car just arrived today had to out for a drive it’s awesome and it’s got the technology pack it’s savagely quick 😬 my dealer is keeping the car till Monday so his technicians can give it a once over then it’s coming home only thing I noticed was condensation in the two headlights but I rang my local Audi dealers and they said it’s normal because of the weather at the moment so I’ll see how that plays out I’ll get pictures up ASAP so excited to get it home 😎
Great video, full details which make it much better than some TH-camrs, but I think you might get a better camera, all over very good job mate 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Good work buddy...looking to buy my second A7 S Line soon!
Getting mine next week same engine 😌
Excellent choice ! One of the very best cars that I’ve driven / owned
Great video very likeable too
Just purchased my A7 black edition today. I know you shouldn't wish your life away but I cannot wait until next week.
David Fletcher I did when I was waiting for mine!! Still miss it every day now it’s gone :(
@@fastandcarcurious4768. I've picked up a low mileage example that I've got as my toy as I have a company car too. I'm guessing you racked up the Miles and got rid due to using it for work ?
What did you replace it with ?
And is there anything I should be looking for when I go and view mine. Thanks in advance.
David Fletcher A7s are bullet proof. I did spend £260 upgrading the MMI to give me Apple CarPlay. Other than that just tyres and servicing ! It came to the end of the lease and I switched from leasing to buying (albeit older cars)..... I now have a Jag XKR and a LR Discovery. I’ll make some videos of both when we get some summer!!!
@@fastandcarcurious4768 I've got a 69 plate 1.5 diesel focus as my company motor which is a brilliant piece of kit very easy to live with and a great commuter, better than the 17plate AMG 2.2 Aclass merc I had.
My A7 is a 67 plate with 60k on it full audi service history for 22k which looking at what's out there I've got quite a good deal. Now the Jags a different kettle of fish how are you finding it ?
Gearbox service on the A7 completed at 40k
Nice video buddy.
I own a A5 2010 TDI S-line and I'm thinking to change it for an A5 Black Edition 2015 TDI or Petrol or...an A7 TDI with 268hp from 2015 at least.
Unfortunally I am not that lucky to find a good deal like the guys who posted here, such as 16k pounds. I am "hunting" the autotrader for almost 2 weeks and the cheapest I could find is a 24k from 2015 with couple of thousand miles :(
I would need some tips to know how to find a good price for a good A7.
Best of luck !
Great video these are the videos I really like to watch. I'm torn between getting A6 Avant or A7 after watching this it's easy choice now.......... A7 3.0L quattro S line
Dave Hurley great choice! I had the A6 previously but the A7 stands out and looks altogether more dynamic . You won’t be disappointed!
Dave Hurley get the a7, i’ve never seen a sexier car
Hi I've done that changed to that same model from the a5 both black edition the 7 is true class
Steve Cross great move !
Great video. Have been eyeing at a a7 and 6 series grancoupe.
Swaying towards a7 for the sheer practicability as a family car.
Detharul Hoque having owned both (!) The A7 is the one to go for as it’s nearly as practical as the A6 but looks loads better!!
Great vid, very informative. I think you've swayed me from the A6 to the A7,not a bad thing though! :)
007KURGAN !! Great move . Definitely the better looking car.... I still get stopped at petrol stations and supermarket car parks to be asked about the car !! That never happened with my A6!!
Hahaha, I've done the same thing
NIce car. I have a 3.0TDI biturbo 2015 and now its already 95000km. Recently I was struggling whether I need to do the transmission oil service, although the 8 speed automatic transmission is claimed no need to replace the oil in lifetime but I don't believe that.... What do you think? Besides, I also have the MMI navigation problem of wrong positioning, do you have the problem? It is not always wrong.
I think the idea behind not being able to close the tailgate from the remote is for safety as opposed to a lack of thought, annoying but then not a bad thing when you think about it
djfld and yet many others are. Also the lid stops when it detects an obstruction. Just seems odd given that other manufacturers do supply the ability for closing remotely too. But you make a good point. Thanks for the comment !
As do you! I think it would be slicker if you could close the tailgate from the remote but it wouldn't put me off getting what is essentially a near perfect car
djfld agree! Best car I’ve ever owned by some margin!! 14 months in and still not bored..... which is a first!
Great video. Nice to see a UK car being reviewed online. I'm picking up a 65 plate black Ed with tech pack in a the next week. One query I had was regarding the colour sat nav between the dials. Do you think that would be on the car I'm getting? It has head up display etc, but the dealer didn't seem too sure about the nav and could only find the directional arrows...?
monkeypops85 It should have. Mine was (gone now) only a year younger and had it as part of the tech pack.
I also had mine upgraded by the local Audi main dealer to have Apple Car Play installed into the infotainment system.... brilliant !
@@fastandcarcurious4768 why did u get rid of the Audi ?
@@alex25wrc I bought a Jag XKR as a “weekend” car but love it so much I drive it all the time..... which meant the A7 was collecting dust on the drive. Got rid and saved myself a fortune in PCP costs. Bought a LR Discovery (2012) instead .... loved it but missed the tech and so upgraded to a new model Disco in August. Absolutely love it. Might produced some Discovery and XKR vids soon.
Great car which engine would you say is best for the car a load tell me I should just get the Bitdi
I did drive the BiTdi and it’s an absolute missile!! But I don’t know if the extra cost is worth it. I never at any time wished I had more power. Very swift and an overtaking monster !
I've just bought an A7 black edition Quattro 272PS with the best part of £16k of Audi support and dealer discount, on a 67 plate ..... happy days
powersystemsap great work!! Just shows that great deals are to be done if you find a dealership in need of numbers!! Well done :)
I collect the vehicle on Saturday week and can't wait. Will be running as a company vehicle so looking forward to many hours of motorway cruising.
How??
Really informative video! but I have a question, we all know that manufacturers mark up/inflate their RRP, so I'm just interested to know, how much did you actually purchase it for? I'm looking at buying a used 16/17 plate, specced like yours, with 45k miles for £22k - is that a good price to pay?
qwerty yes that looks a good price to me. Loaded up I should have paid 58k. Paid 19500 less, but interestingly at this point (three years into a four year PCP I’m £5k in negative equity!!)
Thanks for making the effort with the video. Really informative.
I'm replacing my 2017 e220d in the next couple of weeks (not impressed by the build quality of it at all!), and I've considered pretty much every alternative (BMW 640d gran coupe, Jag XJ, Golf R, No Mercs!!), and as I want something faster with more torque (Budget max £30k), I've made my mind up on a 2016/17 A7 Bitdi Black edition (the new 55TDI is out of price range sadly). But there are so few Bitdi's available that I'm really struggling to find one of the spec I'm looking for (tech pack, parking pack, advanced key, daytona grey, moonlight blue, or possibly white). So I'm considering the 272 that you went for. Did you testdrive the bitdi too? Is there any part of you that wishes you'd gone for the bitdi? As I could open up a lot more potential cars, but I worry that I'll regret not going for the extra power and beefier sounding (albeit fake) exhaust in the bitdi. Thanks.
Tim Furiel I did drive the BiTDI. It sounds great (but fake as you point out) and is faster, but at no point have I I ever thought I was short on power. The 272 is very pokey. The biggest difference is actually experienced away from the lights. The 272 only has one turbo and it’s a big one and so although you get a lot of torque there is some lag. You don’t get this from the Bi as the smaller turbo spins up faster.
The 272 is an epic car and extremely reliable too.
@@fastandcarcurious4768 Appreciate that. ...Though I actually veered off course 'slightly' and am picking up a 65 plate S7 at the weekend now. Found one with amazing spec and same price as BiTDI so thought I'd just go for it and try not to worry about the running costs 😬
Tim Furiel oooh very very nice indeed. I drove one of those a few years ago.... very very fast and sounded great :)
What a great video. I'm so tempted to buy a black edition 2017 same spec as yours now. I can't decide to go for this or a BMW x4 m sport 3.0? Anyone help..
David Rahim thank you! I think the decision is a very personal one. For me BMW styling has lost its way, but I have friends who love the current crops of BM’s. Drive them both ..... let me know how you get on.
On my old 2015 A7 I coded the key to close the boot. So much nicer
Larry TQ I didn’t know you could do that! I’ll ask when my car is in on Thursday for tyres (just £315 each :(....)
Fast and (Car) Curious
Jesus tyres are ridiculous! Theft! Yeah I did myself with software called VCDS. Google it
Larry TQ great tip thank you!!
Fast and (Car) Curious
Pleasure. Love the A7. Best looking car in the world for me.
I always tought they dont let you close it because you might accidentaly press the button while going trough stuff in the trunk,idk if it stops but i tried to hold it on mine and i couldnt keep it.be careful
Great video, exactly what i was looking for. Have an A6 avant BE from new and now 4 yrs old so looking to change it. One question, did the discount include the deposit contribution from the manufacturer, currently £10k ( Jan 2018). i am going to try emailing some dealers as you did. Want the same model.
Nick Carvell The discount was Pre deposit so a genuine mega deal. A question of timing and finding a dealer who was desperate for their numbers!
+Fast and (Car) Curious As the A7 is just about to be replaced i finally decided to get one and got a great deal on it. Swapping out of myA6 avant BE. get the car in 2 weeks. mid March 2018. This video helped me make up my mind. Thanks again.
Nick Carvell great move. Now the new version is launched the current model will see huge discounts so push and push! Fantastic car. I’m planning my 25000 mike report as we speak so that I can share some real world learnings about the car.... but needless to say it’s a corker!
Hi have you still got the A7 ?
Hi mate, great video, I’ve been thinking about an a7 for a while and considering a factory order before Christmas. Which technology pack did you go for? They currently do £2500 tech pack and tech pack advanced £3800. Which one did you go for? If it was the lower pack what was included in it?
Leon Scott-Cullen. Hi Leon, make sure that you get a huge discount now that then new model is announced. Residuals of the current model will dive next year when the new one hits. I got standard tech pack, so head up display, tft in between the dials, Audi phone box. Tech pack High brings radar cruise. That was correct as of September 16 and so you need to double check current spec. I think 2017 brought apple car play too. Good luck.... a damn good car and for the first time ever I’m not looking to change it after 12 months! :)
Fast and (Car) Curious thanks for the advice, I’ve wanted this car since early this year, I was aware of the new model coming out so wanted to wait to see it, but not impressed, my only gripe with the existing model is if the tech will stand the test of time over the next few years. But the maps and interface look a lot better than I thought so you might have persuaded me! Great vid!
Hi Mate I currently have a 2015 audi a7 same 272 black edition with 20k plus miles so im looking for a replacement could you let me know the actual cost of your with your's monthly deposit ect large discount.
Hi Raheem, sure. 6500 down and 420 per month. The discount was a total of 19800.
Hi. Great video - really informative. The deal you mention: £6500 deposit and £420/month, does that come with an annual mileage cap? Also, is there a balloon payment to be made at the end? Thanks in advance.
I'm about to change my 2014 330d touring and I've been hunting for an a6 avant blk ed 3.0 ... no joy upto now but I'm seriously considering an a7 like yours as they seem pretty good value compared to the a6 . I've had BMW tourings for years with the odd avant 3.0 thrown in but the ride and BMW run flats make me want a bit more comfort . Don't want a 2.0 Audi as we have a 2016 q5 190 and while it's ok for my Mrs it's a bit boring for me if I'm honest .. thanks and great review
Mark Murphy i had the A6 previously and despite being a good motor it was a little dull. The A7 is more handsome and also falls into Audi’s Business banding , along with the A8. This means kit levels are better :)
Really good video mate. Very informative. I’m tallying up costs between an A7 or a CLA45. You couldn’t possibly tell approximately how many miles you get to a tank on average and what it costs you to fill from empty in £ if possible
Hi Jonathan, I’m getting around 35-40 mpg depending on the weight of my right foot! With a 65 litre tank you’ll see 500 to 570 miles or thereabouts
Fast and (Car) Curious thanks for quick reply bud. And from empty is that cost about £90 to fill tank?
65 litres at £1.15 per litre is £74 ... so near enough :)
Your a gent mate. Real food for thought comparing the two cars. Really enjoyed the video.
Jonathan Reilly no problem.... enjoyed making it. Try them both out for an extended test drive before you decide!
nice i will buy one 2017
You still got this? How much you want for it if so?
XxAfterMassxX gone now I’m afraid :(
Sorry - Performance in a 2plus tons heavy TRUCK - Naaahhh - probably on the straight - but the TGV train is faster on the straight- bottom line : its 1 ton to heaaaaavy (plus pretty ugly) buts thats subjective !