My 5th great grandfather Joseph McKay from County Antrim, Ireland was part of the Willie Handcart Company. He collapsed with frozen feet while they were going through the South Pass and a man named Andrew Smith from Scotland picked him up and carried him down into Rock Creek Hollow. MacKay survived, and he and Smith became good friends. McKay’s daughter Jane later married Andrew Smith.
I just learned about this rescue after visiting the National Trails Interpretive Center. I found myself taken by it do much that I visted Martin's Cove Visitor's Center the next day. I highly recommend it not only to learn about this rescue, but also to see the sights in person. When its not a blizzard, its a gorgeous view.
I thank you. My 5th great grandpa , his wife and 8 kids all were part of the martin handcart company and all survived the trip certainly thanks to your ancestors
That's cool .. also did u know that willard bean his dad was one of the rescuers. Also willard bean has the film called the fighting preacher if you were interested
There was a new member of the Twelve at Winter😮 Quarters with the Willey company. He allowed the Saints , in my opinion, to vote themselves to go or not to go, rather than plead to His Heavenly Father for direction. The decision was his to make as the Presiding Authority. The Apostle was in horse & buggies with missionaries and traveled prior to the 1856 Willey& Martin companies departure the same year. Some stayed at Winter Quarters til Spring. There were plenty of empty pioneer cabins at Winter Quarters for them to stay the winter comfortably. Some did stay the winter, in winter quarters and lived. It was a great tragedy for many scandin vians and fewer English.
We can! Just seek the Lord with all your heart and He will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and you will be so filled with love that you will love even your enemies.
We should be striving to be better everyday and to be fair I think in some cases we are it just not known to outsiders .. well my ward here in England are .
Just to remind all Mormons that Matthew 23 - 24 - 14. In the New Testament the true book from God. Quote. And this GOSPEL of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all NATIONS and the end will come.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [ 1 ] Corinthians 15 - 46. Says that the physical body, comes before the spiritual. Just to remind all Mormons. Amen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It is NOT the book of Mormon -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As I have carried the Utah Flag to restore it I found that about half of the population does not care. Their own words. Dan McCay even himself told me that Pioneers would care less about what we are doing now. He is not from Utah but has changed our Historical Flag. We need to care more.
Lt. Col. Howard Allan Christy (USMC, Ret.) (1933-2020) Years before he died, he told his children, “When it’s my turn to go, I think I’d like to go on a hike and just not come back.”
So, really now, how MANY times did they Cross the Sweetwater River?? The map stops at 8 crossings due to screen size, (the map was enlarged) anyway, unduly so.
Sorry, Gloryanne, but this is how loud the original video was and I copied the sound as it was. If you have external speakers they will probably go louder.
I wonder if people went back to their dead, in the spring, to bury the dead they wrapped and left on top of the frozen ground. I don't remember ever hearing that they did.
This is very gruesome to mention, but even if they had tried; they probably would not have liked what they saw if there was anything left. No doubt the wolves would have gotten to the bodies and had their way with them. The people on the Oregon Trail who had what would be considered a "proper" burial had their graves buried deep and covered with stones to keep wolves from digging the bodies up as they would.
There is a story from a Man who against kind words and orders went back to bury his little daughter better and found she had been partially eaten and her remains scattered quite far.the Man was beside himself but kept it secret because he wasn’t supposed to go. Eventually his wife insisted he have a blessing and he was comforted about where she was and that she had not experienced any of what had happened to her body. Jeremiah Grant I believe?
Thsi Brother Joseph RAy Mancini, I like to think some of you amde it from Hell to heaven in 6 months. I however have had to suffer just abit worse than these Valient Pioners to reach my Heaven. More like 18 to reach mine. This is My Last Testiimony on this Channel Amen
This is the same volume level that I used when it was on local TV. This video was given me by a Mormon friend of mine and it is a good historical account of the group that tried to cross the plains too late in the year. When I was searching for God myself, I even went to Utah and looked into the Mormon church. Here is my testimony: th-cam.com/video/nIrFPSwnWuc/w-d-xo.html
Snowy, I don't know what you meant. I listened to this video and the sound is ok. A very interesting historical documentary that a Mormon friend of mine gave to me.
Sorry, but that's the volume it had when I got it. If your computer speakers are too low, the plug-in speakers that you can purchase for around $20 will go much louder. You just plug in to your earphone jack.
I use amplified speakers. The fault is not with my speakers. But if thats the volume it was recorded at, that explains a lot. I still say the subject deserves better than a substandard audio track.
Brigham did not outfit these people properly. He was building his 26 bedroom mansion at the time. The Mormon church has turned gross negligence into a faith promoting event.
I would like to invite you to read the Book of Mormon and to pray and asks God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ to know if this church is true. I promise if you pray and asks God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ you will find peace and comfort feel more of his holy spirit and love in your life. (Faith obedience is a matter of trust the question is simple: Do we trust our Heavenly Father? Do we trust our prophets? - By Elder R. Conrad Schultz of the Seventy. - Faith Obedience)
🤔 Matthew 23 - 24 -14 The New Testament, and NOT the BOM. And this Gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all NATIONS, and the end will come, just saying but TRUE. 🤔
Peoples tradtions arent religion okay the blanket over the dead body thing stupid in my mind but if they thought it was a good thing well there ya go its not relgion that i know of. I n3ver read a scripture that says bury your dead with your blankets in the snow after they freeze to death
How Evil to make people travel with handcarts just to save dollars. I wouldn’t be proud to be associated with such and then praise God for survival when it could have been avoided, so much unnecessary death and suffering. Hell yeah I’d blame the whole evil cult.
Whoever made this should be ashamed of themselves. The handcart pioneers were heavily pressured by the Mormon elders to take this perilous journey even though it was late in the season. They were told no one would die. They were told there would be no snow. Of course Brigham Young sent out a rescue party----it was his pressure that caused Franklin Richards to keep them coming that killed so many of these people.
+Sarah Pratt Thanks for your input, Sarah. This was an important part of American History. It was a very tragic journey. Fortunately, many others made the trek without such a great loss.
+Dan Holt The fact that many people did not die does not excuse the Mormon leadership from it's direct part in the death of over 200 people. Have some respect for the truth. This video whitewashes this experience by leaving out the pressure put on the immigrants to continue on despite common sense warnings. I don't understand how the truth can be omitted and still be called the truth. Read Mary Burton's account and you will see what REALLY happened. And such a big deal made about the rescue. This story has heroes, yes, but also villains who get a complete pass by this video. Brigham Young and Franklin Richards to start with.
+Sarah Pratt Sarah: This video was made by the Mormon Church. I'm not a Mormon, although I seriously looked into it years ago, but it was a very interesting story, so I put it on our local TV station. I guess many of us may not ever know all the story as is true with several major events.
+Dan Holt Hi Dan---sorry to be so critical. There is a lot of documentation regarding the reasons for this debacle. I think the video has value, as long as people understand that there is a real attempt to make the Mormon church look like heroes without accepting responsibility for the pioneers attempting the trip so late. I do think the video has some value---thanks for your patience.
Sarah Although these are true stories that relate to events in the lives of real people, some even gave their lives for a cause in what they truly believed in.... and have you ever heard of a survivor of that company criticise the leaders of the church. one survivor of that company stated " we came through with the absolute knowledge that God lives, for we became acquainted with him in our extremities..... These were good humble people trying to reach their destination the best way they could and although some died along the way, blessed and honoured will they be remembered as pioneers.
What an ill conceived tragedy. You would think a church would care enough to figure it out and do what was right for their people. I realize they were fleeing their leader's criminal reputation but to endanger them this way was unforgivable.
And all to save on the cost of the journey west of Iowa City, which should have been made with oxen-pulled wagons as it had been with previous converts. Expecting emigrants to walk about 1,000 miles (including little children and expecting mothers and the elderly) through the Rockies(!) in winter, facing certain frostbite and death due to exposure. Brigham Young was allegedly 'outraged', claiming the men in charge disobeyed his instructions about provisions and travel times.
@@pennypay1 the thing is if u look into it the last two company's left at the wrong time of the season and even leaders thought they had stayed and was waiting for the next safe season .. I am lds and also live in England UK however I researched my family history and realise that some of my family may have been lucky and waited a few years later and then gone
Which world view requires no faith? I've been a philosophy major for several years now and I'm dying to know your answer. BTW There's really no need to be insulting. How about we talk like big boys and girls instead of school children. Who knows we might come to understand each other better and you might even convince me of something, wouldn't that be a more profitable conversation?
How can I be more clear........RELIGION MAKES YOU STUPID. If you find that insulting...get over it. All religion now and always is made up bullshit to get the masses to fight and serve some religious agenda...Mormons are off the scale with stupidity! Also what is the difference between boys, girls and school children?
lol "Religion makes you stupid" That is quite a claim; show me some evidence. I'd also like you to answer my very simple question. I asked which world view requires no faith? Also if you want to really argue your point you should study someone other than Dawkins, he's an excellent scientist but a terrible philosopher. You really don't have to ridicule with contempt as he suggested. Anyone is far more likely to agree with your claim if you present it in a kindly manner.
Thank you for your love and tolerance. Look at the leadership of this church. Incredibly intelligent. Industry leaders in medicine and law, etc. All left it to serve. I hope you are comfortable in your knowledge of where you come from, why you are here and where you go after this life. All the education in the world will never tell you that.
My son's ancestor was Captain James Grey Willie himself. The sign board was a miracle save.
My 5th great grandfather Joseph McKay from County Antrim, Ireland was part of the Willie Handcart Company. He collapsed with frozen feet while they were going through the South Pass and a man named Andrew Smith from Scotland picked him up and carried him down into Rock Creek Hollow. MacKay survived, and he and Smith became good friends. McKay’s daughter Jane later married Andrew Smith.
I just learned about this rescue after visiting the National Trails Interpretive Center. I found myself taken by it do much that I visted Martin's Cove Visitor's Center the next day. I highly recommend it not only to learn about this rescue, but also to see the sights in person. When its not a blizzard, its a gorgeous view.
My 3rd Great Grandaunt, Hannah Gubbins Gardiner and her husband James were part of the Willie Company. Thanks for posting this. Rob White.
Did they make it over.. hope they did..
My 5th great grandfather, Anson Call was one of the rescuers.
My husband has two rescuers in his family line- Francis Martin Pomeroy and Sydney Epperson
I thank you. My 5th great grandpa , his wife and 8 kids all were part of the martin handcart company and all survived the trip certainly thanks to your ancestors
That's cool .. also did u know that willard bean his dad was one of the rescuers. Also willard bean has the film called the fighting preacher if you were interested
I thank him. He saved my family line. My 5th great grandfather was rescued in Willie company, only 12 years old.
There was a new member of the Twelve at Winter😮 Quarters with the Willey company. He allowed the Saints , in my opinion, to vote themselves to go or not to go, rather than plead to His Heavenly Father for direction. The decision was his to make as the Presiding Authority. The Apostle was in horse & buggies with missionaries and traveled prior to the 1856 Willey& Martin companies departure the same year. Some stayed at Winter Quarters til Spring. There were plenty of empty pioneer cabins at Winter Quarters for them to stay the winter comfortably. Some did stay the winter, in winter quarters and lived. It was a great tragedy for many scandin
vians and fewer English.
I truly enjoy your site and if people don't like what is showing then let them go somewhere else. Thank you
Gaetan Gauthier Amen to that you said it in the most awesome way. She's a Pentecostal I know I use to be one but not anymore.
a tip: watch movies at flixzone. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies lately.
@Bruno Ricky Yup, I've been watching on Flixzone} for months myself :D
Thanks for posting this❤.
If the early Saints hearts were so strongly together in love doing things together with out complaining.
Why can't we be like them today ?
We can! Just seek the Lord with all your heart and He will baptize you with the Holy Ghost and you will be so filled with love that you will love even your enemies.
We should be striving to be better everyday and to be fair I think in some cases we are it just not known to outsiders .. well my ward here in England are .
Just to remind all Mormons that Matthew 23 - 24 - 14.
In the New Testament the true book from God.
Quote. And this GOSPEL of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all NATIONS and the end will come..
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ 1 ] Corinthians 15 - 46.
Says that the physical body, comes before the spiritual.
Just to remind all Mormons. Amen.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is NOT the book of Mormon
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
As I have carried the Utah Flag to restore it I found that about half of the population does not care. Their own words. Dan McCay even himself told me that Pioneers would care less about what we are doing now. He is not from Utah but has changed our Historical Flag. We need to care more.
The Book of Mormon is Holy Scripture coming from God !!!@@thomaspearson1919
My request would be for the one who uploaded this to turn the volume up if you could please!
thanks much
I agree it's hard for my hard to hear ears
Please turn it up
Lt. Col. Howard Allan Christy (USMC, Ret.) (1933-2020)
Years before he died, he told his children, “When it’s my turn to go, I think I’d like to go on a hike and just not come back.”
watch the movie. one of the best i have ever seen and that includes all the "hollywood" movies.
Audio too low
What kind of recipes they ate?, I'm curious to know
Mere ounces of rationed grain per day and raw seed corn. A foolish trip to follow a cult.
So, really now, how MANY times did they Cross the Sweetwater River?? The map stops at 8 crossings due to screen size, (the map was enlarged) anyway, unduly so.
turn up the volumn TURN IT UP
Sorry, Gloryanne, but this is how loud the original video was and I copied the sound as it was. If you have external speakers they will probably go louder.
Hit the boxed CC on the upper right of screen. Closed captioned.
I wonder if people went back to their dead, in the spring, to bury the dead they wrapped and left on top of the frozen ground. I don't remember ever hearing that they did.
This is very gruesome to mention, but even if they had tried; they probably would not have liked what they saw if there was anything left. No doubt the wolves would have gotten to the bodies and had their way with them. The people on the Oregon Trail who had what would be considered a "proper" burial had their graves buried deep and covered with stones to keep wolves from digging the bodies up as they would.
There is a story from a Man who against kind words and orders went back to bury his little daughter better and found she had been partially eaten and her remains scattered quite far.the Man was beside himself but kept it secret because he wasn’t supposed to go. Eventually his wife insisted he have a blessing and he was comforted about where she was and that she had not experienced any of what had happened to her body. Jeremiah Grant I believe?
Thsi Brother Joseph RAy Mancini, I like to think some of you amde it from Hell to heaven in 6 months. I however have had to suffer just abit worse than these Valient Pioners to reach my Heaven. More like 18 to reach mine. This is My Last Testiimony on this Channel Amen
The sound is low
This is the same volume level that I used when it was on local TV. This video was given me by a Mormon friend of mine and it is a good historical account of the group that tried to cross the plains too late in the year. When I was searching for God myself, I even went to Utah and looked into the Mormon church. Here is my testimony: th-cam.com/video/nIrFPSwnWuc/w-d-xo.html
Sorry I am no mouth reading expert
Snowy, I don't know what you meant. I listened to this video and the sound is ok. A very interesting historical documentary that a Mormon friend of mine gave to me.
Low volume made this unwatchable. The subject deserves better.
Sorry, but that's the volume it had when I got it. If your computer speakers are too low, the plug-in speakers that you can purchase for around $20 will go much louder. You just plug in to your earphone jack.
I use amplified speakers. The fault is not with my speakers. But if thats the volume it was recorded at, that explains a lot. I still say the subject deserves better than a substandard audio track.
Brigham did not outfit these people properly. He was building his 26 bedroom mansion at the time. The Mormon church has turned gross negligence into a faith promoting event.
I would like to invite you to read the Book of Mormon and to pray and asks God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ to know if this church is true. I promise if you pray and asks God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ you will find peace and comfort feel more of his holy spirit and love in your life.
(Faith obedience is a matter of trust the question is simple: Do we trust our Heavenly Father? Do we trust our prophets? - By Elder R. Conrad Schultz of the Seventy. - Faith Obedience)
🤔 Matthew 23 - 24 -14 The New Testament, and NOT the BOM.
And this Gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all NATIONS, and the end will come, just saying but TRUE. 🤔
Peoples tradtions arent religion okay the blanket over the dead body thing stupid in my mind but if they thought it was a good thing well there ya go its not relgion that i know of. I n3ver read a scripture that says bury your dead with your blankets in the snow after they freeze to death
How Evil to make people travel with handcarts just to save dollars. I wouldn’t be proud to be associated with such and then praise God for survival when it could have been avoided, so much unnecessary death and suffering. Hell yeah I’d blame the whole evil cult.
When you don't have the money to go any other way then you have no choice. They just tried to go too late in the year.
Whoever made this should be ashamed of themselves. The handcart pioneers were heavily pressured by the Mormon elders to take this perilous journey even though it was late in the season. They were told no one would die. They were told there would be no snow. Of course Brigham Young sent out a rescue party----it was his pressure that caused Franklin Richards to keep them coming that killed so many of these people.
+Sarah Pratt Thanks for your input, Sarah. This was an important part of American History. It was a very tragic journey. Fortunately, many others made the trek without such a great loss.
+Dan Holt The fact that many people did not die does not excuse the Mormon leadership from it's direct part in the death of over 200 people. Have some respect for the truth. This video whitewashes this experience by leaving out the pressure put on the immigrants to continue on despite common sense warnings. I don't understand how the truth can be omitted and still be called the truth. Read Mary Burton's account and you will see what REALLY happened. And such a big deal made about the rescue. This story has heroes, yes, but also villains who get a complete pass by this video. Brigham Young and Franklin Richards to start with.
+Sarah Pratt Sarah: This video was made by the Mormon Church. I'm not a Mormon, although I seriously looked into it years ago, but it was a very interesting story, so I put it on our local TV station. I guess many of us may not ever know all the story as is true with several major events.
+Dan Holt Hi Dan---sorry to be so critical. There is a lot of documentation regarding the reasons for this debacle. I think the video has value, as long as people understand that there is a real attempt to make the Mormon church look like heroes without accepting responsibility for the pioneers attempting the trip so late. I do think the video has some value---thanks for your patience.
Sarah Although these are true stories that relate to events in the lives of real people, some even gave their lives for a cause in what they truly believed in.... and have you ever heard of a survivor of that company criticise the leaders of the church. one survivor of that company stated " we came through with the absolute knowledge that God lives, for we became acquainted with him in our extremities..... These were good humble people trying to reach their destination the best way they could and although some died along the way, blessed and honoured will they be remembered as pioneers.
What an ill conceived tragedy. You would think a church would care enough to figure it out and do what was right for their people. I realize they were fleeing their leader's criminal reputation but to endanger them this way was unforgivable.
And all to save on the cost of the journey west of Iowa City, which should have been made with oxen-pulled wagons as it had been with previous converts. Expecting emigrants to walk about 1,000 miles (including little children and expecting mothers and the elderly) through the Rockies(!) in winter, facing certain frostbite and death due to exposure. Brigham Young was allegedly 'outraged', claiming the men in charge disobeyed his instructions about provisions and travel times.
@@pennypay1 Only LDS historic record will hold its leader harmless. He was the captain of his own Titanic.
@@pennypay1 the thing is if u look into it the last two company's left at the wrong time of the season and even leaders thought they had stayed and was waiting for the next safe season .. I am lds and also live in England UK however I researched my family history and realise that some of my family may have been lucky and waited a few years later and then gone
No cure for the stupid
True then...True now....there is one M too many in the word Mormon.
"When your beliefs are based on faith......you have lost touch with reality".
Which world view requires no faith? I've been a philosophy major for several years now and I'm dying to know your answer. BTW There's really no need to be insulting. How about we talk like big boys and girls instead of school children. Who knows we might come to understand each other better and you might even convince me of something, wouldn't that be a more profitable conversation?
How can I be more clear........RELIGION MAKES YOU STUPID. If you find that insulting...get over it. All religion now and always is made up bullshit to get the masses to fight and serve some religious agenda...Mormons are off the scale with stupidity! Also what is the difference between boys, girls and school children?
lol "Religion makes you stupid" That is quite a claim; show me some evidence. I'd also like you to answer my very simple question. I asked which world view requires no faith? Also if you want to really argue your point you should study someone other than Dawkins, he's an excellent scientist but a terrible philosopher. You really don't have to ridicule with contempt as he suggested. Anyone is far more likely to agree with your claim if you present it in a kindly manner.
Thank you for your love and tolerance.
Look at the leadership of this church. Incredibly intelligent. Industry leaders in medicine and law, etc. All left it to serve.
I hope you are comfortable in your knowledge of where you come from, why you are here and where you go after this life.
All the education in the world will never tell you that.
you are out of touch with the spirt
Audio too low