I am a Barrister, I did my BPTC from City University London as a member of the Honourable Society of Lincoln’s Inn. I can assure you that this person does not know what he’s talking about. The BPTC is designed to train and enhance your advocacy skills with a focus on Mooting and the vocal aspect of the Law. This is something which you can’t do at length in a LLB degree and isn’t possible in an LLM. If you want to be an advocate, a good one at that, the BPTC will take you miles ahead in that aspect.
Saad Sajjad Brother you don’t study in the Inns of court, you attend qualifying sessions. The cost for joining an inn when I joined was £100, including the qualifying sessions it would be £300. The rest is uni fee and living expenses , roughly £35,000-£40,000 if in London £25-£35,000 if outside London.
Being a Barrister myself and further completing LLM from UK the statement is not entirely incorrect. Honestly, both are completely different qualifications which requires different level of skills set. Although success in profession is not depended entirely on your qualifications but they do help to shape you as a competent advocate. However, this individual is not right about the Bar Course considering he has not completed that course. Although those who have completed Bar course in First Attempt will tell you how stimulating that course was/is and how it actually train them as better advocates. Bar is a vocational course rather than an academic degree like LLM, and one should do both if possible esp if one wants to practice in Pakistan, but by saying Bar is completely useless shows the level of ignorance . Perhaps he had completed his LLM on US scholarship hence making an excuse about Bar because there is hardly any financial scholarships for Bar.
Practice in Pakistan trains you best if you have completed LLB from some public Uni on campus college eg PULC etc !! People who claim to be barristers doing some distance learning course from U O London are starving!! I have seen many so called barristers can’t even make ends meet they are simply dependent on high society where they supposedly come from
@@aliA-jz5ms hahahhahaha sure, have you turned a blind eye to the people that are actually thriving aka nearly 70% of the top advocates in the country have external degrees to their names. Please stop saying shit
He is trying to justify his incompetency. The LL.M. is merely a postgraduate degree in law at master’s level - simple as that. Depending on the country or jurisdiction and the type of degree it is, the LL.M. may or may not allow the person to practise law. Usually, it doesn’t. The barrister is one of two kinds of lawyers - solicitors (non-trial lawyers) vs. barristers (court advocates) - in jurisdictions (e.g. England and Wales: UK)
a person who isnt a barrister himself is not eligible to tell you whether bar at law is useless or usefull thats like a broke person telling you money has no value
michealangelo12865 really? could you care to ask her how? could you please point out why did her BPTC(which is a practice base vocational course) did nothing in terms of her practical knowledge and instead her llm (academic course which is not even in the same ballpark as the bptc) gave her real life practical experience? please enlighten us how
Asad Khan Asad Khan The skills you develop through the BPTC can easily be developed while you are working in the sessions court or even outside the legal field such as your speaking skills etc. Academic lets you specialise in a field say energy or public policy. I’ve seen people who’ve done the bar and barely put two sentences together. Not saying it wouldn’t help but the skills they teach can be developed without paying so much money.
@@dargay386 it is like saying "so what" to a person who says I've a dollar and do not compare it to rupee and you say so what ? I don't care Do not caring is making your argument a weak one and your mental capability a sick one ! Like seriously you are questioning LLM of Harvard Uni ! Salute to you man 😂
This man is too illogical ..I am getting training under barrister sb ..and he is so outclass well spoken and have material words and also so sharp before court
Can't agree with him. Barristers are extremely smart, sharp and outspoken. And it comes from their training. You can't get that by doing llm. Also society values barristers more than lawyers. Whether that is logical or illogical makes no difference. In south Asian countries, everyone prefers a barister. On the other hand, there are gizzillions of lawyers who are basically struggling to get a start in their career. That's the difference. Becoming a barrister is worth it.
I don’t agree with you and him either. Reason is that though it’s a vocational programme mainly focused on advocacy skills it’s not necessary that barrister is extremely sharp, smart or outspoken, they may or may not be , generally they are coz of the requirement of advocacy but if ones research, comprehension and attention to detail skills are weak than he is in trouble. I personally think legal practitioner’s course is better than bar course reason being it trains you to become a better lawyer than just a good barrister / advocacy skills. Basically lawyers work is to make sure that a transaction is smooth and all precautionary measures are taken to make sure that you don’t end up in litigation whereas barrister is only skilled in advocacy and etc. In Asian countries we start our work when something has happened whereas in European countries they make sure than nothing may happen that’s why I personally think doing an Lpc is a better option than doing bptc
In England completing an LLM doesn’t make you a lawyer. You need to pass the Bar exams or solicitor exams to become a practicing lawyer. These are vocational qualifications and comparison with an LLM, which is an academic qualification is wrong. Decide first if you want to become a practicing lawyer or an academic, then choose the course accordingly
Totally agree sahi kha rha ha btc use less ha legal spoken improve hoty ha bus agar sirf yehe karna ha to toles karlo simple price ma 5 time cheaper ha aur same result ha
May be the person talking about Bar be right according to his psyche.But the four Inns of Honourable Societies has its own benefits and every law student is rightly passionate with it.Mooting and Advocay can be learn anywhere but the Honorable Societies has a specific role in Legal Feild.
This poor fellow might have not got chance for the BPTC . I am sure his application was dumped lol . If he did the BPTC and felt that it made no difference to his career or knowledge, his statement could have been justified . But not doing and making non sense statements is just sheer stupidity .
i have question about bar at law, im student of final year of llb and waiting for result , i did my law degree from govt college of my city, i have heard many positive rumors news about barrister, so can u tell me how can i become barrister? plz
I see you're quite dumb, Zeeshan Zafar Hashmi is an LLM graduate from Harvard. Harvard ki 1 saal ki fee 1 Crore Pakistani Rs se zyada hai. 2 saal ka LLM means .. Atleast 2 crore ka kharcha .. Jabke Bar at Law ka sirf 1 Crore ka kharcha hota hai
Iske illawa for doing LLM at Harvard a person have to have at least fist class degree yani 70%+ hona chahye overall GPA & for doing bar at law you need only a 2nd or 3rd class degree yani .. It can be done even if a person have overall 50% or more GPA.
He himself haven’t done the bar course & is still arrogant enough to state such rubbish claims..it’s funny & irritating at the same time,though a few points he made are agreeable but his lack of proper knowledge regarding the bar at law course,the key benifits of the course coupled with his unbearable arrogance confidence is just unbelievable.
I am a Barrister, I did my BPTC from City University London as a member of the Honourable Society of Lincoln’s Inn. I can assure you that this person does not know what he’s talking about. The BPTC is designed to train and enhance your advocacy skills with a focus on Mooting and the vocal aspect of the Law. This is something which you can’t do at length in a LLB degree and isn’t possible in an LLM. If you want to be an advocate, a good one at that, the BPTC will take you miles ahead in that aspect.
King Khan kindly tell me what's the total cost to study in Lincoln's Inn.
King Khan for BPTC?
i ve got same question in my mind
Saad Sajjad Brother you don’t study in the Inns of court, you attend qualifying sessions.
The cost for joining an inn when I joined was £100, including the qualifying sessions it would be £300.
The rest is uni fee and living expenses , roughly £35,000-£40,000 if in London
£25-£35,000 if outside London.
Respecr king khan! did y done yr BTPC after external degree or internal degree of law and what is length of BAR? 🍻
Being a Barrister myself and further completing LLM from UK the statement is not entirely incorrect. Honestly, both are completely different qualifications which requires different level of skills set. Although success in profession is not depended entirely on your qualifications but they do help to shape you as a competent advocate.
However, this individual is not right about the Bar Course considering he has not completed that course.
Although those who have completed Bar course in First Attempt will tell you how stimulating that course was/is and how it actually train them as better advocates. Bar is a vocational course rather than an academic degree like LLM, and one should do both if possible esp if one wants to practice in Pakistan, but by saying Bar is completely useless shows the level of ignorance . Perhaps he had completed his LLM on US scholarship hence making an excuse about Bar because there is hardly any financial scholarships for Bar.
Practice in Pakistan trains you best if you have completed LLB from some public Uni on campus college eg PULC etc !! People who claim to be barristers doing some distance learning course from U O London are starving!! I have seen many so called barristers can’t even make ends meet they are simply dependent on high society where they supposedly come from
@@aliA-jz5ms hahahhahaha sure, have you turned a blind eye to the people that are actually thriving aka nearly 70% of the top advocates in the country have external degrees to their names. Please stop saying shit
He is trying to justify his incompetency.
The LL.M. is merely a postgraduate degree in law at master’s level - simple as that. Depending on the country or jurisdiction and the type of degree it is, the LL.M. may or may not allow the person to practise law. Usually, it doesn’t.
The barrister is one of two kinds of lawyers - solicitors (non-trial lawyers) vs. barristers (court advocates) - in jurisdictions (e.g. England and Wales: UK)
a person who isnt a barrister himself is not eligible to tell you whether bar at law is useless or usefull
thats like a broke person telling you money has no value
My sister did the Bar and she said it is useless.
michealangelo12865 and what is she now? A plumber?
Wow. She's a practicing attorney. Her Masters was more useful in terms of practical knowledge.
michealangelo12865 really? could you care to ask her how? could you please point out why did her BPTC(which is a practice base vocational course) did nothing in terms of her practical knowledge and instead her llm (academic course which is not even in the same ballpark as the bptc) gave her real life practical experience? please enlighten us how
Asad Khan Asad Khan The skills you develop through the BPTC can easily be developed while you are working in the sessions court or even outside the legal field such as your speaking skills etc. Academic lets you specialise in a field say energy or public policy. I’ve seen people who’ve done the bar and barely put two sentences together. Not saying it wouldn’t help but the skills they teach can be developed without paying so much money.
People who are trolling him.
Grow up kids he had masters from HARVARD LAW SCHOOL.
So what ?
@@dargay386 it is like saying "so what" to a person who says I've a dollar and do not compare it to rupee and you say so what ? I don't care
Do not caring is making your argument a weak one and your mental capability a sick one !
Like seriously you are questioning LLM of Harvard Uni ! Salute to you man 😂
it is unbelievable that he has an Llm degree from Harward after looking at his way of talking.
LOL, Harvard is just another big name. We relate to the Common Law more than the American system
We are barrister from lincolns inn, what's your point
This man is too illogical ..I am getting training under barrister sb ..and he is so outclass well spoken and have material words and also so sharp before court
Can't agree with him. Barristers are extremely smart, sharp and outspoken. And it comes from their training. You can't get that by doing llm. Also society values barristers more than lawyers. Whether that is logical or illogical makes no difference. In south Asian countries, everyone prefers a barister. On the other hand, there are gizzillions of lawyers who are basically struggling to get a start in their career.
That's the difference. Becoming a barrister is worth it.
I don’t agree with you and him either. Reason is that though it’s a vocational programme mainly focused on advocacy skills it’s not necessary that barrister is extremely sharp, smart or outspoken, they may or may not be , generally they are coz of the requirement of advocacy but if ones research, comprehension and attention to detail skills are weak than he is in trouble. I personally think legal practitioner’s course is better than bar course reason being it trains you to become a better lawyer than just a good barrister / advocacy skills. Basically lawyers work is to make sure that a transaction is smooth and all precautionary measures are taken to make sure that you don’t end up in litigation whereas barrister is only skilled in advocacy and etc. In Asian countries we start our work when something has happened whereas in European countries they make sure than nothing may happen that’s why I personally think doing an Lpc is a better option than doing bptc
In England completing an LLM doesn’t make you a lawyer. You need to pass the Bar exams or solicitor exams to become a practicing lawyer. These are vocational qualifications and comparison with an LLM, which is an academic qualification is wrong. Decide first if you want to become a practicing lawyer or an academic, then choose the course accordingly
Grapes are sour...
This guy just lost his mind, sad to see a useless Harvard LLm certificate wasted.
Totally agree sahi kha rha ha btc use less ha legal spoken improve hoty ha bus agar sirf yehe karna ha to toles karlo simple price ma 5 time cheaper ha aur same result ha
LLM from USA is better than bar at law he is right
I myself am going to opt for it next year as u can practice in USA
May be the person talking about Bar be right according to his psyche.But the four Inns of Honourable Societies has its own benefits and every law student is rightly passionate with it.Mooting and Advocay can be learn anywhere but the Honorable Societies has a specific role in Legal Feild.
This poor fellow might have not got chance for the BPTC . I am sure his application was dumped lol . If he did the BPTC and felt that it made no difference to his career or knowledge, his statement could have been justified . But not doing and making non sense statements is just sheer stupidity .
i have question about bar at law, im student of final year of llb and waiting for result , i did my law degree from govt college of my city, i have heard many positive rumors news about barrister, so can u tell me how can i become barrister? plz
lmao you think that a harvard graduate would be dumped a third tier uni in uk?
I see you're quite dumb, Zeeshan Zafar Hashmi is an LLM graduate from Harvard. Harvard ki 1 saal ki fee 1 Crore Pakistani Rs se zyada hai. 2 saal ka LLM means .. Atleast 2 crore ka kharcha .. Jabke Bar at Law ka sirf 1 Crore ka kharcha hota hai
Iske illawa for doing LLM at Harvard a person have to have at least fist class degree yani 70%+ hona chahye overall GPA & for doing bar at law you need only a 2nd or 3rd class degree yani .. It can be done even if a person have overall 50% or more GPA.
You calling him poor fellow, You yourself are poor fellow. You should think & have knowledge before you speak.
Grapes are sour my Friend
What really ? Bar ka faida nai u kidding man
Barrister ka nam hi kafi hay janab ..yahan log nam per mrtay hein
Sir tell me if a student who can do BS LLB from abroad then he will come back Pakistan what will be criteria here
A.O.A sir
agr bnda Govt. employe ho or law ka student b to kia wo APLA election me hissa le skta hy?
Lagta hai Hazrat ke angoor khattay hain. Shayad course pe daakhla nahi mila hoga.
Apko bato say lgta apko LLM nhai koi dancing course krna chaheay tha harvard say ... grapes are sour 😅
ea sayad se pub wala bat kar raha hai
dukhan jabtak tu pratice nahi karega tabtak tere ko pata kese chalega , what actually law is?
He himself haven’t done the bar course & is still arrogant enough to state such rubbish claims..it’s funny & irritating at the same time,though a few points he made are agreeable but his lack of proper knowledge regarding the bar at law course,the key benifits of the course coupled with his unbearable arrogance confidence is just unbelievable.
informative video
Thanks for saying the truth
LOL
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Oye dhakun? Pub wala Bar ki baat kur raha ho? Bewakoof!
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