2.3 - Association is Not Causation and Why

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  • @kevinyang9014
    @kevinyang9014 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The questions at the end are a great addition!

    • @djaroam
      @djaroam 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And honestly not that easy! Great content.

  • @AradAshrafi
    @AradAshrafi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow. Amazing work. What a blessing it is to have access to this videos with such amazing explanations. Thank you so much.

  • @Aguagu825
    @Aguagu825 ปีที่แล้ว

    I sincerely thank your lecture and great explanations. from Korea

  • @TheJProducti0ns
    @TheJProducti0ns ปีที่แล้ว

    The groups are not comparable because the data is not IID. Awesome video!

  • @yasamanasgari2017
    @yasamanasgari2017 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You covered perfectly the first session. Now understand better

  • @martindominikus8825
    @martindominikus8825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    laugh hard at this 5:11 why is this sober guy going to sleep with his shoes on? By the way, thanks for the lecture!

  • @prashant0104
    @prashant0104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome, now I understand!

  • @sanjaykrish8719
    @sanjaykrish8719 ปีที่แล้ว

    If Y|do(T=1) is approximated as Y(1). E[Y(1)] = E[Y|T=1] is just notationally same right. Then why it isn't the same?

  • @yuyingliu5831
    @yuyingliu5831 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still don’t understand why the equation doesn’t hold. I mean, it terms of mathematics, there’s nothing prevent it to be true ... you just write out explicitly what Y(1) and Y(0) are

    • @haojiezhou4708
      @haojiezhou4708 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I guess I figure it out. E[Y|T=1] means the expected outcome in the group of people who get treatment. So E[Y|T=1] - E[Y|T=0] is an associational quantity. The explicitly of Y(1) should be E[Y|do(T=1)]

  • @АнтонБугаев-б9ъ
    @АнтонБугаев-б9ъ ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey!
    Can someone please help me understand if it is only the disproportional quantities of some biasing features that are making the groups non comparable?
    In other words:
    If I force both of my groups (sleeping with and without shoes on) to have the same proportion of drunk people, will I have my groups comparable?

  • @pranoypanda3062
    @pranoypanda3062 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Brady. So, you say that if there are more than one covariate then the treatment groups should be comparable across all of them for average treatment effect to be equal to associational difference. So, my question is, do all these covariates have to be common causes of both treatment variable and outcome variable?

  • @Lovely-bh3ln
    @Lovely-bh3ln 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I lost it at the reddit post 😭😭😭😭

  • @shirobin371
    @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    about regression coefficient, I have some questions. Since correlation is not causation, is the coefficient of linear regression Y on X not the causal effect of X on Y? At this time, what this coefficent is used for? Just can be used for prediction or not? Then when can the coefficient of regression be used for causal explanation, maybe when all the confounders between X and Y are included as regressors? or are there some other situations? And i remeber people always regression to do causal inference. so, in a word, I'm so confused about the explanation of regression coefficients. About this, are there some literature?

    • @BradyNealCausalInference
      @BradyNealCausalInference  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Since correlation is not causation, is the coefficient of linear regression Y on X not the causal effect of X on Y?"
      That's right.
      "At this time, what this coefficent is used for? Just can be used for prediction or not?"
      Right, just prediction.
      "Then when can the coefficient of regression be used for causal explanation, maybe when all the confounders between X and Y are included as regressors?"
      Right, assuming that the linear model is well-specified (that the outcome is generated by a linear function of the confounders and X).
      My favorite discussion of the cons of regression coefficients for causal effect estimation is in the Morgan & Winship book that I think I reference at the end of the lecture.

    • @shirobin371
      @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyNealCausalInference come to think of it, yes, you did reference and I'll read it later. Thanks a lot!

    • @taotaotan5671
      @taotaotan5671 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyNealCausalInference Appreciate it Brady! Really learned a lot from your video.
      I guess one issue with adding tons of covariates in the linear model is that we will lose a lot of power since there are more parameters to estimate. In a more extreme case, we will have more variables than sample size.

  • @shirobin371
    @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i don't really understand ''there could be other covariates that are important to be comparable across''. Does it mean that although the 2 groups are comparable along the covariate which is whether they go to sleep drunk or not, if there is one other covariate that makes them uncomparable, we still don't have this equality? about this may I ask a more specific explanation or a example? looking forward to your reply and thank you very much!

    • @BradyNealCausalInference
      @BradyNealCausalInference  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's right! Basically, there could be other covariates that you need to condition on to get exchangeability (discussed in another lecture this week). And then, we'll see a graphical perspective on this in weeks 3 and 4. For now, you can think of it as important to condition on any common causes of T and Y.

    • @shirobin371
      @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyNealCausalInference Thank you,I get it

    • @shirobin371
      @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyNealCausalInference I also have another question. I'm wondering if 'confounding' or 'confounder' has specific definitions and are there any methods or rules to help us identify the confounding or confounders?

    • @BradyNealCausalInference
      @BradyNealCausalInference  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@shirobin371 I thinking of "confounding" as unblocked backdoor paths (we see these in week 3), and I think this is a common graphical definition. For "confounders," check out "On the definition of a confounder" here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4276366/

    • @shirobin371
      @shirobin371 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyNealCausalInference I will read it. Thanks a lot!

  • @Cindy-md1dm
    @Cindy-md1dm 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    May I ask how to quantify the comparability of two treatment groups?

    • @BradyNealCausalInference
      @BradyNealCausalInference  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can think of two groups being comparable if they have the same distribution of covariates.
      Check out this part of this future lecture where I define covariate balance:
      th-cam.com/video/kgbRoHfb6SI/w-d-xo.htmlm10s