What does everyone think of The Black Cauldron? Make sure to watch the review here - th-cam.com/video/sUsfYaKN3nY/w-d-xo.html Also, tune in tonight at 5pm CST for a new FanScription episode from Rob on the Return of the Jedi!
I don't mind it, but I get why its hated. However, I can't find any evidence that it lost to care bears opening weekend. It lost to it overall so maybe you meant that?
It's flawed, but it's harmless. I personally find it a guilty pleasure. It came from the guys who made Fox and the Hound, another favorite classic of mine. I know it has a lot of dark stuff that parents wouldn't want their kids to see, but I actually welcome the dark stuff. It's a good change from this bright and saccharin sweetness that gets shoved in our faces by Disney. Still, the characters can be amazingly annoying or bland like Gurgi and Tarran. The only one I got a laugh from was Fflewddur Flam and his harp, and Hen Wen was cute. Eilonwy was okay, less whiny, but in the same category as Tarran. And my God, I still love John Hurt's Horned King.
and it was also the first Disney movie not worked on by the original Disney Animators know as "The Nine old Men" The two most notable ones Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston, retired after working on The Fox and The Hound and became Animation professors at Cal Arts.
If Gurgy had just stayed dead, his sacrifice would have actually been an interesting moment. Because, as I’ve said,: as far as the movie goes (I admit I haven’t read the book) he was DESIGNED to be insufferable, even to the other main characters, as Doug so cleverly cut out. So having him have the heroic moment when until now he’s been nothing but an annoying cowardly shitstain is actually profound, the character knowing what they are and doing the only thing they can to redeem themself. But then the movie ruins it by bringing him back. If Gurgy stayed dead and the other characters actually really DID anything, this movie could have actually been pretty good.
This movie is basically two books crammed together. Gurgi is a lovable weirdo in the books, the character who sacrifices himself in the book does stay dead and he was a blowhard human that is a total D-Bag. If I recall, he sacrifices himself for the fame more than any altruistic reason.
I need to know what kids find annoying, other than school and adults and rules and vegetables and what not, because would they have winced or cheered at Gurgi returning? That's what adults don't get.
My father was a layout artist for this film so hearing you guys compliment the design and look of the film warms me heart. There’s a version of this film my dad owns on VHS when the Horned King is on screen the contrast is dark and you can just see enough of the horned King’s movements and just hear that brooding voice and it always scared me as a kid. Love the channel guys and thank you
It is so cool that your father was part of this project! Visually, it's one of my favorite Disney films! I am a huge nerd for the productions behind movies, especially animated ones! I feel like that's where the real magic happens! It's why I'm also such a huge fan of Jim Henson's work! Visual production really is an art!
Fun Fact: the Black Cauldron had WAY more scenes that were cut out of it, turns out they were pretty important scenes that were supposed to add to the story, most scenes that were cut were so dark it would have given the movie a rating of R. One scene was of a guys flesh being BURNT OFF HIS FACE DOWN TO THE BONE.
There was also a scene that was Elionwy being humiliated by the horned king and was literally being marched around his court nude. I don’t think anyone would have been able to take that from Disney.
Austin Arminio That’s the saddest part of all, isn’t it? So many artists and animators breaking their backs to create such gorgeous visuals, only for the studio to chop the story to pieces.
It pulls at his heart strings, but for me it’s the Disney logo at the beginning of Cars, and Toy Story, probably because I grew up with those movies, I still watched Lion King, Mulan, and Aladdin, and stuff, but I liked Pixar more.
It's strange how most of these dark fantasy 80's films were box office bombs when they were first released, but are now considered beloved or cult favorites. Were they ahead of their time, or were audiences back then just not interested in them?
It was neither, people have been doing dark fantasy and more adult themed animations since the 1960's. To some this movie is a cult favorite, but i don't see why really. It's not very good. Some of Ralph Bakshi's work on the other hand makes more sense.
Geoffrey Richards I think it’s because this is Disney who made it, and at the time, Disney wasn’t really known for doing dark and gritty. So parents probably gave this a pass. And you could argue this film isn’t even really that dark or gritty. It’s only dark in the visuals, but in the concepts, it’s still pretty much your common hero and fairy tail schtick. Nothing really “shocking” happens, even the death of Gurgy meant nothing since they still brought him back. They really half-assed this film. It’s like Disney WANTED to do something more risqué and out of the box, but at the same time they were afraid of the backlash parents might give them, so you have this neutered version of the dark film they wanted to make.
gothicMCRgirl don’t quote me on this, but I heard that the original cut for the Black Cauldron was so dark that it received an R rating, which Disney was not okay with, so they reworked it to be more family friendly. It was in production hell for years, I do know that for sure.
@@BLZ231 Definitely. Since this is after Walt's death, the final nail in the flop coffin was when the bossman at the time wasn't interested in the dark tone compared to most previous films. So it was only after the drawings were all done and dusted did the higher ups watched it, lost interest in the non-child friendly tone, and demanded 12 minutes worth of drawings, audio, etc to be removed. Leaving a lot of gaps and pacing issues in the final product.
It is based on a book series known as the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander which adapts the first two books for the basis of the film. Lloyd went on record saying that he overall found the film enjoyable but said it wasn't really all that faithful to the source material. Example being the original antagonist of the series was Arawan the Death-Lord with the Horned King serving as his second in command, similar in many ways to the Witch-king from the Lord of the Rings.
I remember reading the first book in fourth grade. Or rather the teacher read it to everyone. I liked it enough to read the rest of the series, and another of Alexander's book (Westmark I think?), not that I remember anything that happened now.
It’s the amalgam of the first two books that gives it the bat-shit feel. Key points, characters, and plot progression was removed and the rest was sewn together in a “will that fit there? Fuck it, nobody read it anyway” feel. Its a Frankenstein’s monster of the source material. The books are simply written, and have a similar feel to CS Lewis in its style. Each book has a very different tone, which is another reason why the film feels off at points. If you get to see Taran actually properly chided for his childishness by Cor and Gwydion (not in film) and you see Eilonwy’s head strong character soften as she matured (not in film) you actually feel something for these characters, and understand how their decisions shape their growth into actual wonderful adults.
The saddest thing I find about The Black Cauldron is I'm never going to see a Disney film with Welsh Culture celebrated in the style of something like Moana because the last Welsh Story they did nearly bankrupted the company. :(
@@AxioProductions I've seen the pictures and heard the music. If you notice, when Taran and Eilonwey run across the hall, Taran jumps over nothing. That's because he originally decapitated that thug instead of letting him run off.
I see Gurgey similar to Smeagol, especially the voice. Both come after the hero's journey starts. Both are pretty annoying to listen to for longer periods of time. And both fall to their deaths. COINCIDENCE!? I think NOT!!!
Well, the Black Cauldron reuses some animation from The Sword in the Stone, and the time period of the story is said to be set in a pre-Arthurian Wales.
That was just the style of Disney animation in the 60s-through-80s period. Plus both films have the medieval setting and Disney tends to reuse similar designs.
THE WATCHER IN THE WOODS is probably the "BEST DARK DISNEY" film because that at least tried to be "Geniunely Spooky", although it also gave Disney a Heart attack (the ending literally got changed AT LEAST four times; once even taken out of theaters to be recut and then, redistributed). Frankly, I really want someone to do a commentary on that film; such an underrated movie.............that somehow got remade into a LifeTime movie starring Angelica Huston as the "Elderly Woman" and directed by...................................CLARISSA EXPLAINS IT ALL's Melissa Joan Hart????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...............................I Gotta SEE THIS THING!
I loved the book series that were the basis for this film. The movie tries to cram the 1st two books in but ends up leaving a lot out. Additionally the characters in the books aren't as annoying lol.
I totally understand Doug's nostalgia about the old Disney logo. That 5 second intro with the musical notes and castle is timeless. It has defined not just my childhood, but the childhoods of countless children across the world, stretching from present day all the way back to the 1950's. Its like he says in the 2011 Disneycember video: "Disney will always be there". I love the newer logo with the more realistic castle, but this logo will forever be magical.
The audio was apparently largely recorded in 1981 and Taran's voice actor underwent puberty during production. So that's why his voice suddenly got deeper.
I remember seeing this when it came out. I was obsessed with it. I loved the darkness of it and I remember drawing the characters from it for ages afterwards. Even got the special edition when it finally came out on dvd with a limited edition print. Yes, it's not aged particularly well, but some of the art/backgrounds are brilliant.
@@camilogarciaylasaari1857 yup, it came out in the mid-2000s & it’s awful😂 (I say this as someone who saw it when she was 10 & who used to love it b/c nostalgia haha)
"So boring? That's the best insult she [Eilonwy] could come up with?" 😂 I actually love the delivery of that outburst in that particular scene if I'm honest, and this is a great "1st Viewing" edition 😀 I really hope Rob & Doug do a "Real Thoughts" video for "The Black Cauldron" one day, particularly as I've recently developed a soft spot for that movie.
Stillborn Franchise: Disney actually had the rights to the entire book series. When the movie imploded, plans for any sequels and any more adaptations of the books by Hollywood were sunk for 30 years; Disney reobtained the rights and began plans to try the series again in 2016, this time as live action.
Ok, am I crazy, or is the voice that does the intro narration ALSO the actor who played Gandalf in the Rankin-Bass Lord of the Rings movies? In all seriousness, this film pisses me off. You're right, it IS generic, and the best part is some of the bluth-ier visuals... That's not what the books were. The books are what you'd get if Tolkien 1. Were writing for kids to begin with. 2. Was obsessed with Welsh mythology instead of Anglo-Norse. And 3. Could actually write characters. The movie abandons 90% of the cast, and basically cobbles the plots of books 1 and 2 (of FIVE) together into a single plot. The bit about the "evil king" at the beginning? Yeah, /he/ is the big-bad. The Horned King is his /dragon/, his lieutenant/obstacle for the heroes to overcome on the way. There is so much more, and I encourage anyone interested in a legitimately good coming of age fantasy to find a copy of the Chronicles of Prydain. Your local library probably has them on audiobook.
I actually don't hate this film as overall I found it to be flawed but enjoyable. But the original novels probably are better in comparison. To be honest the film has made interested in reading the original Prydain novels. Finding a copy though is extremely difficult though.
You are correct. The actor was both Gandalf and the narrator is this film. The man in particular was John Huston, who was also an Oscar-winning director do did films such as "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre", the 1982 adaptation of the musical "Annie" and "Prizzi's Honor".
I loved this movie as a kid. I saw it waay before high school maybe when I was 5 years old we had it on vhs so Ive seen it multiple times. I never got scared of it. I thought it was a great adventure story. And being a kid of course I liked gurgie. As an adult I compare him to golem from lotr.
Is it so bad that I adore this movie? I've always loved this movie. Even when I was little I liked that it was more "scary" than the other disney movies. Ofc everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I never thought anything about this film was bad. It will always be one of my fav disney movies
No, for me it's all about the visuals with animated movies but I'd probably have to watch it again, preferably in HD. It's probably not up there with the best of Disney's early classics but for me, it's way better than any Disney movie made since.
The Black Cauldron was my favorite movie as a kid! I was constantly watching it as a kid! Legit, I always kept the VHS in my room, so I could watch it anytime! So, I love seeing you guys take a crack at it lolol!👏🏻❤️ And omggg, The Sword in the Stone was also a movie I watched a lot in my childhood👏🏻👏🏻
The logo first appeared in 1985 with the film Return to Oz, although it was rather incomplete and silent. The full version of the logo with sound would later appear that same year in The Black Cauldron at 1:35.
This is my dads favorite Disney film. I also really like it, for the most part. Though the main characters are by far the WORST part of it, the animation of the environments and designs are freaking gorgeous. If anything, I would like to see a live action remake of this, EXCEPT as a faithful Adaptation of the original novel.
They got the same voice actor to do the intro that Rankin/Bass had for their version of Return of the King. I wonder what would have happened if they had started with the first book and made it a franchise with the whole series.
Yeah, even though I grew up with this movie...and love it...it does have its share of problems. One thing great about it is the freaking villain. I mean you can't argue that he is one of the most threatening and greatest designs Disney has ever churned out. Also, his voice is just perfect...and yeah the plot is fairly basic...it is still about an evil tyrant trying to start the zombie apocalypse which is a risky move in itself...hoooowever, the hero's really weighed the film down, and even if you added the darker elements that were edited out...I still don't think it would be enough to make up for it.
What if we edit the characters a bit? The boy is more scrappy, wants to be a professional fighter but doesn't have training, and the sword gives him the chance to take a shortcut and he decides to hone his skills himself. The girl is trained as a swordswoman. She is the one who disciplines him (big sister relationship, no snu snu) and that is how their relationship is formed. The furry is the bard. What I mean is composite the two characters so that the little fuzzy buzzard is the bard so that you have something for the kids to be like aw and the other people to take bets on who is going to eat him, the boy or the girl. The visuals are awesome, and the enemy can make saying pig still pretty intimidating, so what'ya say?
Really wish there was more of The Horned King in this movie. Loved his design, loved the way John Hurt performed the role, loved the music surrounding him. In the Cauldron toward the beginning of the movie, we see him riding on a horse and such while in the movie he largely stands around. Probably one of the most underutilized Disney villains that I can think of that had more potential.
What does everyone think of The Black Cauldron?
Make sure to watch the review here - th-cam.com/video/sUsfYaKN3nY/w-d-xo.html
Also, tune in tonight at 5pm CST for a new FanScription episode from Rob on the Return of the Jedi!
Haven’t seen the whole thing, but thanks to the Critic’s review, I would see it.
I don't mind it, but I get why its hated. However, I can't find any evidence that it lost to care bears opening weekend. It lost to it overall so maybe you meant that?
When you guys gonna do Bedknobs and Broomsticks and do you need a British actor... ah buggar it I'm sure youl do a hilarious impression either way
Nostalgia Critic you should do a first viewing of FoodFight!
It's flawed, but it's harmless. I personally find it a guilty pleasure. It came from the guys who made Fox and the Hound, another favorite classic of mine. I know it has a lot of dark stuff that parents wouldn't want their kids to see, but I actually welcome the dark stuff. It's a good change from this bright and saccharin sweetness that gets shoved in our faces by Disney. Still, the characters can be amazingly annoying or bland like Gurgi and Tarran. The only one I got a laugh from was Fflewddur Flam and his harp, and Hen Wen was cute. Eilonwy was okay, less whiny, but in the same category as Tarran. And my God, I still love John Hurt's Horned King.
Fun fact about that classic Walt Disney Pictures logo: The Black Cauldron was the first Disney Film to use that exact logo.
I'm not amused but i like that fact.
More like their first ANIMATED film
Freddy Richards What do you mean?
@@freddyrichards878 indeed, what do you mean ?
and it was also the first Disney movie not worked on by the original Disney Animators know as "The Nine old Men" The two most notable ones Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston, retired after working on The Fox and The Hound and became Animation professors at Cal Arts.
Gurgy being compared to Donald Duck on his deathbed is the best thing I've ever heard.
Same
It's kinda sad, actually, considering the movie was released the same year Clarence Nash, Donald's original voice actor, passed away.
I hear his voice and think of Gollum.
I know, right!? XD
Are you suggesting the Black Cauldron live-action remake will have Andy Serkis mo-cap for Gurgi?
Gurgi: "Touch me!"
Rob: "Ew..!"
Me: Dying
😆😆😆
Me: *concerned for you until I realized you meant "from laughter" and getting mad at myself*
XD
If Gurgy had just stayed dead, his sacrifice would have actually been an interesting moment. Because, as I’ve said,: as far as the movie goes (I admit I haven’t read the book) he was DESIGNED to be insufferable, even to the other main characters, as Doug so cleverly cut out. So having him have the heroic moment when until now he’s been nothing but an annoying cowardly shitstain is actually profound, the character knowing what they are and doing the only thing they can to redeem themself. But then the movie ruins it by bringing him back.
If Gurgy stayed dead and the other characters actually really DID anything, this movie could have actually been pretty good.
Honestly, I think that if they cut the dog(?) and the minstrel out completely it would have been an immediate upgrade.
The minstrel actually had a role in the original book but they watered him down and erased all of his backstory.
This movie is basically two books crammed together. Gurgi is a lovable weirdo in the books, the character who sacrifices himself in the book does stay dead and he was a blowhard human that is a total D-Bag. If I recall, he sacrifices himself for the fame more than any altruistic reason.
If Walt Disney were alive when they made this, he would have stayed dead.
I need to know what kids find annoying, other than school and adults and rules and vegetables and what not, because would they have winced or cheered at Gurgi returning? That's what adults don't get.
My father was a layout artist for this film so hearing you guys compliment the design and look of the film warms me heart. There’s a version of this film my dad owns on VHS when the Horned King is on screen the contrast is dark and you can just see enough of the horned King’s movements and just hear that brooding voice and it always scared me as a kid. Love the channel guys and thank you
The animation of this film is pretty sold and atmospheric. The story needed work
It is so cool that your father was part of this project! Visually, it's one of my favorite Disney films! I am a huge nerd for the productions behind movies, especially animated ones! I feel like that's where the real magic happens! It's why I'm also such a huge fan of Jim Henson's work! Visual production really is an art!
Damn it Jim I'm a warrior, not a pig keeper
Jim : SPARKLE SPARKLE SPARKLE !!!!
Fun Fact: the Black Cauldron had WAY more scenes that were cut out of it, turns out they were pretty important scenes that were supposed to add to the story, most scenes that were cut were so dark it would have given the movie a rating of R. One scene was of a guys flesh being BURNT OFF HIS FACE DOWN TO THE BONE.
Where's THAT version? I must download it!
You sure that wasn’t the scene of the Horned King getting his skin sucked off? Because they left that in the movie.
@@Shadowkey392 nope, I'm positive, I remember seeing photos of it, Idk where it is now but I'm sure you can look it up!
Im pretty sure the first time I've seen this movie I've seen what you mentioned.
There was also a scene that was Elionwy being humiliated by the horned king and was literally being marched around his court nude. I don’t think anyone would have been able to take that from Disney.
I’m with Rob. It’s a gorgeous looking movie (for the most part), that got hacked to pieces
Austin Arminio That’s the saddest part of all, isn’t it? So many artists and animators breaking their backs to create such gorgeous visuals, only for the studio to chop the story to pieces.
Disney shoud do a remake. It could be so much better.
*"I love that logo."* - me too Doug. Me too.
Same
It pulls at his heart strings, but for me it’s the Disney logo at the beginning of Cars, and Toy Story, probably because I grew up with those movies, I still watched Lion King, Mulan, and Aladdin, and stuff, but I liked Pixar more.
“He’s so boring!”
Isn’t that what Lisa told her mother about Johnny in The Room after they had sex? 😂
After he fucked her belly button? Yeah.
and repeated 5 times in different conversations?
@@andrewabbey3669 intermixed with about 20 scenes of throwing a football around
"YOU ARE TEARING ME APART, GURGHI!"
Maybe she meant Sobering 🤔
It's strange how most of these dark fantasy 80's films were box office bombs when they were first released, but are now considered beloved or cult favorites. Were they ahead of their time, or were audiences back then just not interested in them?
It was neither, people have been doing dark fantasy and more adult themed animations since the 1960's. To some this movie is a cult favorite, but i don't see why really. It's not very good. Some of Ralph Bakshi's work on the other hand makes more sense.
Geoffrey Richards I think it’s because this is Disney who made it, and at the time, Disney wasn’t really known for doing dark and gritty. So parents probably gave this a pass. And you could argue this film isn’t even really that dark or gritty. It’s only dark in the visuals, but in the concepts, it’s still pretty much your common hero and fairy tail schtick. Nothing really “shocking” happens, even the death of Gurgy meant nothing since they still brought him back. They really half-assed this film. It’s like Disney WANTED to do something more risqué and out of the box, but at the same time they were afraid of the backlash parents might give them, so you have this neutered version of the dark film they wanted to make.
gothicMCRgirl don’t quote me on this, but I heard that the original cut for the Black Cauldron was so dark that it received an R rating, which Disney was not okay with, so they reworked it to be more family friendly. It was in production hell for years, I do know that for sure.
@@BLZ231 Definitely. Since this is after Walt's death, the final nail in the flop coffin was when the bossman at the time wasn't interested in the dark tone compared to most previous films.
So it was only after the drawings were all done and dusted did the higher ups watched it, lost interest in the non-child friendly tone, and demanded 12 minutes worth of drawings, audio, etc to be removed. Leaving a lot of gaps and pacing issues in the final product.
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It is based on a book series known as the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander which adapts the first two books for the basis of the film. Lloyd went on record saying that he overall found the film enjoyable but said it wasn't really all that faithful to the source material. Example being the original antagonist of the series was Arawan the Death-Lord with the Horned King serving as his second in command, similar in many ways to the Witch-king from the Lord of the Rings.
I remember reading the first book in fourth grade. Or rather the teacher read it to everyone. I liked it enough to read the rest of the series, and another of Alexander's book (Westmark I think?), not that I remember anything that happened now.
It’s the amalgam of the first two books that gives it the bat-shit feel. Key points, characters, and plot progression was removed and the rest was sewn together in a “will that fit there? Fuck it, nobody read it anyway” feel. Its a Frankenstein’s monster of the source material. The books are simply written, and have a similar feel to CS Lewis in its style. Each book has a very different tone, which is another reason why the film feels off at points. If you get to see Taran actually properly chided for his childishness by Cor and Gwydion (not in film) and you see Eilonwy’s head strong character soften as she matured (not in film) you actually feel something for these characters, and understand how their decisions shape their growth into actual wonderful adults.
Loved those books as a kid and Taran really matures into a far better character in the later ones.
I want to see a proper adaptation of the entire series, maybe live-action. For some reason when I first read them I pictured Jason Statham as Coll.
Harrison Greeley
Taran Wanderer is my favourite.
The saddest thing I find about The Black Cauldron is I'm never going to see a Disney film with Welsh Culture celebrated in the style of something like Moana because the last Welsh Story they did nearly bankrupted the company. :(
Am I the only one that prefers the first viewings to the actual reviews?
Gapeagle i do too
In this case, I liked this better than the review.
Gapeagle Same here.
Gapeagle In some cases, the first viewings are better than how the actual reviews turn out.
I watch the first viewings before going to the reviews
The narrator is John Huston. He was Gandalf in Rankin/Bass's The Hobbit!
He did a few things besides that as well :)
John Hurt
Me want uncut version. Me want blood and gore.
There’s a few graphic images with music and sounds on TH-cam. One example, one henchman melting
@@AxioProductions I've seen the pictures and heard the music. If you notice, when Taran and Eilonwey run across the hall, Taran jumps over nothing. That's because he originally decapitated that thug instead of letting him run off.
Also, apparently they had Eilonwee partially nude at one point.
Matt Norton isn't she like twelve?
@@Double-R-Nothing You are seriously sad person if you think that is particularly gory 0_0
The "i'm a warrior" clip is such meme fodder! Make it happen internet!
I'm. I'm working for the internet, i'm going to submit your inquiry.
Noah Ariss People preparing to rush Area 51: I’m a *warrior*
Everytime I hear "I'm a warrior" now, I see Walter's face in that stupid wig lol
And that also makes me think of Dougurgi. XD
I’M A WARRIOR!
Yeh.. even Sora wold bitch-slap that kid 0_0
He’s not a spectator; he’s a warrior!
@@aztn19 You forget about third possibility.. a idiot 0_0
Why the fuck isn’t that a meme?
I am a Jedi, like my father before me.
I am suprised that noone compared Gurgy's voice with Gollum
Gurgi sounds like Gollum’s love child.
Because we actually like Gollum
I'm annoyed Doug never mentioned the Horned King's resemblance to the Lich.
Wouldn't the Lich be the one who resembles the horned king? What with the king being made 30 years earlier?
Well two things must always resemble *each other* equally, which means it's true from other side.
bigfatcarp93 Pretty sure he just be A lich.
Love the Jane shirt. Needs a Mystic Spiral shirt now.
I have the same shirt. 😳
But there can’t be Mystic Spiral merch because they’re thinking of changing the name!
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I’ve never clicked on a notification soo fast . You guys are literally my favorite .
+Glitch Witch
Thanks for the support!
Isn't this technically Doug's third viewing, since he previously did a Disneycember of it?
Don't bring logic here lol. His fans don't do that..
The Black Cauldron: the Disney film that failed so hard it lost to the Care Bears , pretty sad really .
So embarrassing
The makers of Care Bears to Disney: "TASTE THE RAINBOW, MOTHERFUCKERS!"
and nearly forced the studio to close its doors permanently
You know you need to get your shit together if you lost to the Care Bears. I mean COME ON!
Rotten tomatoes:
The Black Cauldron- 55 %
The Lion King 2019- 53%
I see Gurgey similar to Smeagol, especially the voice. Both come after the hero's journey starts. Both are pretty annoying to listen to for longer periods of time. And both fall to their deaths.
COINCIDENCE!? I think NOT!!!
Does Smeagol stay dead?
@@lunabearsong2043
Just a minor detail.
Yeah.
You guys should do the great mouse detective! The scene where the bat kidnapped the little girl mouse is beyond terrifying lol
Well, they did a few years later.
Am I the only one who sees resemblance to the Sword and the Stone with this film?
No. Both were animated with the same style.
Well, the Black Cauldron reuses some animation from The Sword in the Stone, and the time period of the story is said to be set in a pre-Arthurian Wales.
Well I can certainly see a medieval theme and being both Disney they have the same animation styles
That was just the style of Disney animation in the 60s-through-80s period. Plus both films have the medieval setting and Disney tends to reuse similar designs.
THE WATCHER IN THE WOODS is probably the "BEST DARK DISNEY" film because that at least tried to be "Geniunely Spooky", although it also gave Disney a Heart attack (the ending literally got changed AT LEAST four times; once even taken out of theaters to be recut and then, redistributed). Frankly, I really want someone to do a commentary on that film; such an underrated movie.............that somehow got remade into a LifeTime movie starring Angelica Huston as the "Elderly Woman" and directed by...................................CLARISSA EXPLAINS IT ALL's Melissa Joan Hart????!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...............................I Gotta SEE THIS THING!
Don't. The remake's boring as hell.
@@DerekBarns If you say so..........was Huston watchable at least?
van8ryan
I admire how long this comment is and l hope that they review it
@@van8ryan Speaking of Hustons, her dad John, legendary film director, did the opening narration of The Black Cauldron.
Did you ever read The Watcher in the Woods? I'm surprised they only changed the ending 4 times!
Perfect timing! I love these first viewings
I liked Black Cauldron as a kid, like a kid’s LoTR.
As opposed to the ACTUAL Kids' Lord of the Rings by Rankin-Bass?
I don't have issue with people liking it as a kids, but edgelord cult fallowing of it is ridiculous.. this movie is a shit!
Yeah, great, the introduction to suicide for me! Instead of just 'self sacrifice'.
Horned king is the best thing in this movie. I hope Disney does a remake.
I always saw the Horned King as the love child of Maleficent and Skeletor (from the MOTU movie, not the cartoon).
Ew. I don't want to think about how THEIR night went.
Jonathan Spindler ... Oh god. *oh god*
*NEVER PUT THAT IMAGE IN MY HEAD AGAIN*
I wish they would have just ended this video with the word "Pig"
*I'M A WARRIORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR*
I loved the book series that were the basis for this film. The movie tries to cram the 1st two books in but ends up leaving a lot out. Additionally the characters in the books aren't as annoying lol.
I totally understand Doug's nostalgia about the old Disney logo. That 5 second intro with the musical notes and castle is timeless. It has defined not just my childhood, but the childhoods of countless children across the world, stretching from present day all the way back to the 1950's. Its like he says in the 2011 Disneycember video: "Disney will always be there". I love the newer logo with the more realistic castle, but this logo will forever be magical.
6:21 Chaplin cameo. You're welcome.
Mr. Snarky Did you notice that Chaplin was in Doug’s lap after that? So cute!! 😻
@@Lesley_RedRhody Where?? I might make a Chaplin montage.
Mr. Snarky 9:28 until almost the end of the video.
It’s Chaplinn with 2 N’s
6:21 it’s chapplinn with 2 n’s, get her!
DO YOU LIKE BEING CHAPPLINN?
The audio was apparently largely recorded in 1981 and Taran's voice actor underwent puberty during production. So that's why his voice suddenly got deeper.
6:21 ATTENTION, THIS IS NOT A DRILL, WE GOT A CHAPLIN CAMEO, THIS IS NOT A DRILL.
Hi nostalgia critic just wanted to say I’m a big fan
I remember seeing this when it came out. I was obsessed with it. I loved the darkness of it and I remember drawing the characters from it for ages afterwards.
Even got the special edition when it finally came out on dvd with a limited edition print.
Yes, it's not aged particularly well, but some of the art/backgrounds are brilliant.
Maybe Disney should do a remake using the old artwork as a basis.
Now I feel like I'm watching a Drunk Disney episode. (If you don't know them, watch them)
YES! I'm a fellow Practical Folks Fan! I'm so happy to see this comment!
I'm still waiting for them to cover "Zootopia".
They definitely need more recognition.
"He sounds like Donald Duck on his death bed."
*cues my squeaky toy of a laugh*
Rob: I need this soundtrack.
Doug: YOU HAVE IT! ITS GHOSTBUSTERS!!
XD
Best Birthday present ever! Thanks for making me laugh, Walker brothers! 😊
+Morgan Gobin
Happy Birthday!
You guys do great work. Please review the live action Bratz movie! I hope you guys are staying warm in Chicago!
The live action what now?
@@camilogarciaylasaari1857 yup, it came out in the mid-2000s & it’s awful😂 (I say this as someone who saw it when she was 10 & who used to love it b/c nostalgia haha)
Well this is an awesome video to wake up to and see. Thanks for the good morning. 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Oh, directed by Richard Rich. He also did Swan Princess.
That explains alot
You guys should do Dudley Do Right one day. I would love to see your reaction to the movie!
Can you view then review the new live-action Kim Possible Movie when it debut?
YES!
It premieres February 16th
I felt my heart sink watching the ad for it. Why must everything be turned Live Action!? The rehash movies I like but the line has been crossed.
or an old vs new would be nice.
Here's my review: SHIT
I hate Taran and Gurgi, but I love everything about the villains, so it's really mixed for me
Disney should do a remake with less annoying heroes.
"So boring? That's the best insult she [Eilonwy] could come up with?" 😂 I actually love the delivery of that outburst in that particular scene if I'm honest, and this is a great "1st Viewing" edition 😀
I really hope Rob & Doug do a "Real Thoughts" video for "The Black Cauldron" one day, particularly as I've recently developed a soft spot for that movie.
John Hurt deserved to be a Disney villain in a better movie
Yeah. Shame we'll never get it now.
Shame he’s gone now....
This movie is basically the first two books mashed into one. The Chronicles of Prydain is actually a great series.
The Horned King was so metal - he definitely deserved to be the villain of a better movie.
Who else agrees the black cauldron needs a remake ?😁👌
Nathaniel Foga Disney got the rights to make a live action series of the Prydain Series, including the Black Cauldron.
AJM_The Black-Fenrir Yeah, though they did mess with the original story quite a bit. And by quite a bit, I mean a ton.
As long as Gurgy stays dead.
THAT I would support! Remake a lame movie instead of a classic one.
YES! Lion King is a good movie and doesn´t need remake. Black Cauldron could be so much better! Disney horror movie.
Stillborn Franchise: Disney actually had the rights to the entire book series. When the movie imploded, plans for any sequels and any more adaptations of the books by Hollywood were sunk for 30 years; Disney reobtained the rights and began plans to try the series again in 2016, this time as live action.
I wish they would remake it live action and more book accurate
I've never clicked off another video so fast.
I know same
@ValisFantasmSoldiers If I didn't then I'm close, I'm definitely one of the first. You can check the time I posted this aswell.
@@Sinnergy I believe you
@ValisFantasmSoldiers I don't who to believe anyone..
*"I'M A WARRIOR!!!"*
Ok, am I crazy, or is the voice that does the intro narration ALSO the actor who played Gandalf in the Rankin-Bass Lord of the Rings movies?
In all seriousness, this film pisses me off. You're right, it IS generic, and the best part is some of the bluth-ier visuals...
That's not what the books were. The books are what you'd get if Tolkien
1. Were writing for kids to begin with.
2. Was obsessed with Welsh mythology instead of Anglo-Norse.
And 3. Could actually write characters.
The movie abandons 90% of the cast, and basically cobbles the plots of books 1 and 2 (of FIVE) together into a single plot. The bit about the "evil king" at the beginning? Yeah, /he/ is the big-bad. The Horned King is his /dragon/, his lieutenant/obstacle for the heroes to overcome on the way. There is so much more, and I encourage anyone interested in a legitimately good coming of age fantasy to find a copy of the Chronicles of Prydain. Your local library probably has them on audiobook.
I actually don't hate this film as overall I found it to be flawed but enjoyable. But the original novels probably are better in comparison. To be honest the film has made interested in reading the original Prydain novels. Finding a copy though is extremely difficult though.
I thought Tolkien was also into Celtic and Germanic mythology and languages. Besides, he was a linguistics professor (NERD!) before he was a novelist.
You are correct. The actor was both Gandalf and the narrator is this film. The man in particular was John Huston, who was also an Oscar-winning director do did films such as "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre", the 1982 adaptation of the musical "Annie" and "Prizzi's Honor".
When I first saw this Gurgi honestly creeped me out more than the Horned King. That voice is just so unsettling
Doug: You put his head above water and his puke predict future?
Rob: Yes!
That Reaction XD
I loved this movie as a kid. I saw it waay before high school maybe when I was 5 years old we had it on vhs so Ive seen it multiple times. I never got scared of it. I thought it was a great adventure story. And being a kid of course I liked gurgie. As an adult I compare him to golem from lotr.
Needs More Flash!!! You know what this movie needs? More Flash!!!
Gurgy: Touch me!
Rob: EWWW!!!
LOL
Is it so bad that I adore this movie? I've always loved this movie. Even when I was little I liked that it was more "scary" than the other disney movies. Ofc everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I never thought anything about this film was bad. It will always be one of my fav disney movies
No, for me it's all about the visuals with animated movies but I'd probably have to watch it again, preferably in HD. It's probably not up there with the best of Disney's early classics but for me, it's way better than any Disney movie made since.
Doug's Skeletor voice would be the perfect voice for Papyrus in Undertale.
I'm so glad you liked the animation and background art--me too! I wish you'd mentioned how much you liked that in the official review, though.
7:39 any one thinking of pink elephants
No.
The Black Cauldron was my favorite movie as a kid! I was constantly watching it as a kid! Legit, I always kept the VHS in my room, so I could watch it anytime! So, I love seeing you guys take a crack at it lolol!👏🏻❤️
And omggg, The Sword in the Stone was also a movie I watched a lot in my childhood👏🏻👏🏻
Doug does a pretty good Gurgi impression.
The logo first appeared in 1985 with the film Return to Oz, although it was rather incomplete and silent. The full version of the logo with sound would later appear that same year in The Black Cauldron at 1:35.
Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
I just realized the wizard guy closely resembles Dr. Screweyes from "We're Back: A Dinosaur's Story".
8:51 - Doug, I KNOW you’ve seen Coco.
The higitus figutus joke had me crying in the review, any jokes referencing sword in the stone I love.
"It's like Donald Duck on his death bed." XD!
RiP, John Hurt
Alucard, More Awesome Than Chuck Norris! That has to hurt!
Dang got here right after watching the Nostalgia Critic review. Lol love Douge Daria shirt lol Jane is the coolest
I love Rob dropping Medieval history on Doug in regards to Hen Wen's visions.
If Don Bluth had been involved in the making of this, this film would’ve caught on faster
THE SUBTLE BEDKNOBS AND BROOMSTICKS JOKE WHILE WATCHING THE CREDITS.
living for that.
Return to Oz is sadly a much better Dark Disney film. I love that movie and it managed to make two books into one movie work unlike Black Cauldron.
sad, but true
@@kamenfann8880 Indeed.
yep
Disney should do a remake. If it is done well, they could get new franchise like the Pirates of the Caribbean.
Not sure how many Americans read Enid Blyton’s “Noddy” books… but Eilonwy’s voice actress was actually the voice of Noddy in a 90s BBC TV adaptation!
This is my dads favorite Disney film. I also really like it, for the most part. Though the main characters are by far the WORST part of it, the animation of the environments and designs are freaking gorgeous. If anything, I would like to see a live action remake of this, EXCEPT as a faithful Adaptation of the original novel.
I love seeing Chaplin join Rob and Doug midway through their First Viewings.
The pig was a better actor then anyone in this film XD
John Hurt was the best actor in this. Even people who hate this film agree John Hurt's Horned King was the best thing in it.
I like how about half way through the movie chaplin walks away like "I'm out, I can't take gurgi anymore"
Chaplin is the best cameo in the history of Nostalgia Critic.
They got the same voice actor to do the intro that Rankin/Bass had for their version of Return of the King.
I wonder what would have happened if they had started with the first book and made it a franchise with the whole series.
Yeah, even though I grew up with this movie...and love it...it does have its share of problems. One thing great about it is the freaking villain. I mean you can't argue that he is one of the most threatening and greatest designs Disney has ever churned out. Also, his voice is just perfect...and yeah the plot is fairly basic...it is still about an evil tyrant trying to start the zombie apocalypse which is a risky move in itself...hoooowever, the hero's really weighed the film down, and even if you added the darker elements that were edited out...I still don't think it would be enough to make up for it.
I spent this whole review like "WHERE IS CHAPLIN? OMG CHAPLIN YASS YOU'RE SUCH A PRETTY BOY!" I'm obsessed with your cat tbh 🤣
Doug's a fan of Daria? Should do a review on the two Daria movies.
What if we edit the characters a bit?
The boy is more scrappy, wants to be a professional fighter but doesn't have training, and the sword gives him the chance to take a shortcut and he decides to hone his skills himself.
The girl is trained as a swordswoman. She is the one who disciplines him (big sister relationship, no snu snu) and that is how their relationship is formed.
The furry is the bard. What I mean is composite the two characters so that the little fuzzy buzzard is the bard so that you have something for the kids to be like aw and the other people to take bets on who is going to eat him, the boy or the girl.
The visuals are awesome, and the enemy can make saying pig still pretty intimidating, so what'ya say?
Alright, now you need to do a review of a genuine dark, animated classic: Wizards, by Ralph Bakshi. It's a faaamily picture.
Really wish there was more of The Horned King in this movie. Loved his design, loved the way John Hurt performed the role, loved the music surrounding him. In the Cauldron toward the beginning of the movie, we see him riding on a horse and such while in the movie he largely stands around. Probably one of the most underutilized Disney villains that I can think of that had more potential.
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