Personally to me it is a good thing that growth of Linux usage is slow because it also gives the time to improve the desktop environments and compatibility with software. Plus this makes Linux more of a focus approach vs MS #!@#! blunderbuss approach.
If Microsoft would have just kept repackaging Windows 7 with security updates and new themes, I probably would have kept eating it up. They probably could have squeezed $50 out of me every 8 years or so. But the telemetry, advertising, and removal of existing features is unacceptable. Now they will be getting $0 from me forever.
exactly what I said. If they simply just renewed Windows exactly as they had it with 7 just with a couple of new features here and there, no bloat or telemetry or anything, I would have never moved.
Windows XP and 7 were when Windows was at its peak, honestly, with the way things are in reality. Windows 10 is bearable. I will avoid Windows 11 and beyond until further notice. While at where I work where they may end up pushing everyone to move, I'll hold out as long as possible.
@@andrewnoonan8175I only know this because I installed windows 10 in a VM without a license and I think it just didn't let me change the wallpaper, which basically doesn't matter if it means you can use it for free. For a VM, it absolutely didn't matter since it still ran the apps I needed to run. I actually have a retail license of windows 10. I just couldn't remember where I left the key, so I just installed it without it. I only installed windows 10 home. Not sure what happens if you install any of the other versions such as Pro or Enterprise. I'm assuming it probably disables those features.
@anon2047 also making an OS which everyone could use was exactly linus torvald goal, so it's nice that in India linux gets used for that reason. It means linus reason for making linux open source did come true
For me windows 8 & 8.1, what they did with start menu on win 8 is in my opinion best thing they did , but not many people liked it so yeah , win 10 is okay & win 11 is just bad terrible .
that and Linux is setup to look great and not constantly changing little bits of the settings through micro updates to it🤣🤣 and Windows wants to slowly take your will to live away slowly and steadily🤣🤣🤣
I think most people don't care about the ads (I do care, but many regular people don't). The biggest problem is that Windows 11 requires lots of people to buy a new computer while support for Windows 10 is ending. So people have the option to buy a new expensive computer, or just install Linux and keep using their existing PC. And we live in a time people use their browser for everything anyways. Migrating to Linux is easier nowadays. Microsoft doesn't care as long as you still use their cloud services.
Important comment here. I used to stick with Windows or Mac throughout the past because the apps were much more important. Even simple things like email. Fast forward to today, with smartphones playing a huge role in everyone's lives, and almost every daily task can be handled in the browser, which is a tremendous equalizer.
Yeah I don't know why they had to do that with 11. It's the opposite of what they did with 10. Windows 10 was made to be compatible with every computer. I was able to install it on an old 2007 dell latitude, and it worked better than XP, Vista, or 7 on it. I was happy because it gave that laptop a second chance. But 11 wont install on it... So now it's using straight up debian because it's what I like.
What they'll do is keep using their computer after support for Windows 10 has ended, get malware, and contribute to botnets. Very few are going to install Linux. But I am finding my Linux evangelizing is becoming increasingly effective.
Windows 10 was alright for me but Windows 11 was the nail in the coffin. I played with Linux a little bit in the past and even got my dad using it so it was only a matter of time. Been running Mint for a month now and my laptop has never run this smooth without overheating! I'm enjoying the ride and never looking back.
nice. If you move distros and like Mint try MX, I like the KDE version of MX the most. Even faster than mint, more tools too. It's really just a lightweight debian 12 w/ some nice out of box stuff. if you want arch-based EoS is da wae
@@escapetherace1943 Ahhh... another enlightened one of how great MX Linux is! I too use this distro with KDE Plasma. The default settings looks bland but the apps/tools included is what makes this distro great! I have modified the look on mine heavily and now looks much more modern than any Windows OS can hope for! 😋
Mint is an ugly version of Ubuntu without the great support. I used it for a number of months and never bothered to get it again. Plus it doesn't work on very new hardware
Windows user here, heres what I can not stand with the o/s 1) microsoft insatiable desire to force you into a online user account just to use your computer. 2) the stripping of control away from the end user. 3) the amount of telemetry , spying that's happening in the background. 4) advertisements....just no. So, it really is like you don't own your own computer with a windows o/s. I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat if gaming was flawless, I could mod my games etc etc. Chrome o/s is a no go for me. Google is just a giant spy machine and arbiter of approved information. Not a chance I'll use it. Bad enough I'm using a phone with their Spyware all in it. I'm excited for Linux. Truly. I hope it's their to save us all in the end.
A dedicated gaming OS, without any bloatware and the rest of the gimmicks,it would be indeed a breath of fresh air, not to talk about optimizing, troubleshooting, monitoring, etc etc …
@@stenspeed1 The gap between Nvidia and AMD GPUs is tiny. Nvidia's giant lead has always been a myth. I can tell you this from first hand experience, as I've swapped between them for decades, and I always regret switching to Nvidia. They're overpriced, they usually run too hot, they always have all sorts of design issues and the performance advantage is marginal at best. My last Nvidia was a 970, and it had horrible VRAM problems.
I recently made the switch to Linux. You can see the writing on the wall with windows. The big thing was gaming, the fact that it is mostly usable out of the box made the switch worth it. I found my photoshop alternative with Krita, and I like it much more. It was only a matter of time for me to make the switch. My next system was going to be Linux, I wasn't buying another windows key. The fact the switch happened now is great. Once I make my next system, I shouldn't have any problems.
Even if I can get a Windows key for free... I would still switch to Linux (and I did) with the way Windows OS is going... 😮💨 People just have to be open to change. Like you, what helped me the most in switching to Linux smoothly from Windows is finding alternatives in Linux of the apps I often use in Windows. I was surprised that the alternatives in Linux was much better than the ones I use in Windows and is free and open source! So many hidden gems of apps in Linux waiting to be found. You just have to put the effort to find and learn using them. 🥸
Just so you know, Krita is for *Digital Painting* Not *Image Manipulation,* that's GIMP's job, however ypu can make the UI to look like Photoshop using 1 of 2 methods: 1. How to make GIMP loon like Photoshop CC 2020 by *Davis Media Design* 2. Use the PhotoGIMP addon
@@Karn0010 you were using Photoshop for drawing? as a young teenager I used Medibang/Firealpaca because I couldn't afford Photoshop. Once I was using those programs, I was glad I never spent a dime for Photoshop.
It's just big corporate software companies like Nvidia and Adobe who want you to keep paying them money. Adobe is the worst oh i use arch btw :) have a great weekend.
@@mohammadjebrini3457 This. A lot of people seem to miss that? Not everyone just uses their pc for gaming and basic tasks. I'd love to switch to Linux (And tried) but certain software (and hardware) I own simply just does not work on Linux.
@@noahheningergaming works great and most workloads have linux alternatives. I stopped all home windows use years ago. Only the laptop work gave me is running windows constantly. There are only a few use cases where windows has truly better software. Otherwise it is just a matter of learning the use of the linux alternatives. You can also run some of those windows apps with wine but if you aren't willing to dig in i can see not wanting to mess with that.
Windows 7 was Microsoft's best consumer operating system... Windows 11 is on my "don't bother with it" list... Microsoft Office checked out of reality in 2014...thanks.
I wanted to switch to Linux ever since Windows 8. I was planning to boycott Win 10 because of it increasingly siphoning user data, taking away user agency etc. Having to fight your OS to stop it from installing things you don't want meant it's inherently untrustworthy which is not a good thing for an OS. Gaming on linux wasn't quite there yet back in the day and It's been too convenient to just upgrade windows to 10. So I stuck around and my next plan was to ride out windows 10 until they sunset it, then switch. Definitely no Win 11 for me. But then MS expedited my leaving. They started shoving more cloud services onto my machine without me agreeing to it, then they made a new EULA that basically said my PC would belong to their AI. Thanks to Steam Deck I knew that Linux gaming actually was in a great place these days. I made the switch over half a year ago now and never looked back. I don't dual boot or anything and I don't miss a thing. Thanks MS for finally giving me the necessary incentive to step out of my comfort zone.
I am glad my Windows 7 crashed and I installed Linux, I didn't have to deal with Windows 8. Just the fact that I could only install the Window 7 CD I paid $100 for on one of my computers pissed me off.
Microsoft made Windows users into guests. This is true as some part of the OS is off limit, like the Edge browser that user cannot uninstall, and it shouldn't be this way. If your house has some rooms that are off limit, is it your house? Maybe I went too far but no doubt that if Microsoft keep on doing what they are doing, at one point Windows users will be all guest users, and the OS will ask for subscriptions. There is nothing much the users can do because ultimately it is a Microsoft product, it is Microsoft's will. Linux on the other hand, is made by people who just want something that can run well. It is common interest, minus the drive to make more money. And there is a clear distinction about making money in Linux: the enterprise Linux for business, and it has been successful because it marketed where it should be. Things just work wonders when it follows the simple rule of a time and a place for everything.
Microsoft are now stopping certain programs from being installed, Thy have a list of programs if you change the name you can install them but some of them crash the new Kernel, not all just some. If the ms certificate is out of date NO install either, it's only going to get worse.
I dumped Windows since 8 when they obfuscated the menu and UI in favour of a "mobile/touchscreen frankenstein" setup, which for visually impaired users, was just a deal-breaker. Never looking back (pun intended).
My mother, who got her first computer with Windows 8 and that horrible "mobile/touchscreen frankenstein" UI, refuses to update because any other UI is "too confusing" for her... Yeah, I don't get it either.
W2k was the best. Had so many w2k bots at the time. W7 is the last I ever used. Mandrake 5 was the first I used and now Mint is my fav. Why would one accept adds on an OS you pay for? Thats ridiculous.
Being born in 1999, I actually had a chance to use Windows 2000. It was not bad at all for the time, being simple, utilitarian, and easy on resources (from what I remember). XP was awesome. I remember when all of our elementary school's computers had it and never wanting to leave. Vista was buggy. 7 was awesome as well. Even better than XP, I think this is truly when Windows was at its peak. 10 is okay. This is where the trouble starts. Tons of bloat and privacy settings that need to be turned off, this is the last version of Windows that'll be going on to any computer I buy or build in the future.
I could see Windows shedding its legacy past completely and using a Linux base to be the next Windows. That would be a huge victory for Linux but not in the sense of FOSS.
Windows kernel has drivers, Microsoft provided WSL to prevent users from switching to Linux. Microsoft would gain nothing from switching kernel to Linux.
Honestly, I had used Linux in the past and I reverted back to Windows 10 from some point. When I heard that Win 11 will roll out and 10 will be phased out I just switched back and got Pop OS. I mostly hesitated to switch because of a lack of Adobe Software for 3D; then I found out that there's armorpaint and the ucupaint addon for Blender and that blender works 4 times faster; I just swooshed. Since I game from time to time, I tried out some games via proton and Lutris, and apparently, they all worked out of the box. I'd say that gaming is in fact terrible now for those that play some sort of multiplayer game using anticheat(Monster Hunter World works amazing btw!). If you're a single player main guy, you're just going to love to move to Linux, no hesitation! Baldur's Gate 3 works even better for me than on Windows, with DX11 borderless(Vulkan seems slower for some reason). lol
As a dedicated single-player guy, I appreciate this comment as when I overcome my laziness I'm switching my Nitro 5 from 11 to Linux. It's my last Windows machine, and it could definitely use any sort of performance boost I can give it with the 4050ti within lol. At first I stayed on Windows because of possible warranty hassles (bought it June before last) and I wanted to give 11 an honest go, but now that warranty is over and I'm thoroughly unimpressed with 11...just haven't wanted to interrupt my gaming for the changeover process.
In the US, I'd think that most people would start looking at MacOS, since that will run the big-name software they are used to. Macs don't have the ads since Apple makes money on the hardware as well as the services and devices (iPhone, etc). Linux will grow however, no doubt about it. I switched 9 months ago to Mint Cinnamon, and I love it, would never go back to Win.
Macs do with hardware what Windows does with software, though. Forces you to do things their way. Can't add RAM, can't customize or upgrade or choose anything besides a basic set of options. No thanks.
Ahh, the "enshitification" of Microsoft Windows. The last time I genuinely liked Windows was 7. BTW I think many people are sick of pirating Windows. It's a massive headache. Honestly, the average user could use the just werks distros for the web surfing, TH-cam watching and e-mail needs.
This is what made me quit windows. I'd been on Linux on my developer machines, but kept Windows for gaming (based on the claims by all the people who say you can't game on Linux; yes, I'm salty over that), and when I built a new rig in 2020, I just... couldn't do it again, couldn't greymarket and finagle and yada yada, given Linux was right there. So I gave up gaming, took the plunge, and learned that I could game perfectly fine (still salty).
Worst features recently added in Windows: I can't open the recycle bin via the search bar. I can't use my keyboard in the lock screen after starting, I have to use my mouse
A lot of people keep using Windows, because they are afraid of change. Meanwhile they don't notice, that Windows is changing for the worse all the time. I use Windows computers for work and it's okay for that, but I fear the switch to Windows 11 already today... Windows 7 really was the pinnacle of Windows' quality curve.
I used Windows for 25+ years. I recently switched to Linux and it's way better in my opinion. I kicked Windows off all my computers and there's nothing I can't do on Linux that I could do on Windows, other than running a few Windows based programs and games. I replaced Adobe Photoshop with Krita and it does what I need it to do. I tried Gimp and it didn't resonate with me at all, but Krita is pretty good.
Photoshop can be run in a browser and there is also Photopea which is free and very similar to Photoshop. Windows 11 feels bloated and the interface doesn't look professional.
@@maccagrabme I had Windows 11 Pro and it felt more like a Fisher Price Windows 10. I might have stayed with Windows if updates were just for security and bug fixes but now they go in and make major changes to the OS that you can't opt out of and that's just plain ridiculous.
@@k.b.tidwell You're welcome. I was psyched when I found out about it. I'm still figuring it out but I'm back to making images again and so far have been able to do what I need to do.
I've moved from Windows bcoz of it's telemetry data collection and forcing of using their default behavior like pushed updates or other features... It's scary about their hidden telemetry. 🤦♂️ It's really sad to see.
Adobe and Gaming definitely are hurdles. For me, a third hurdle was once not having proper IP Camera viewing software available. Everything available on Linux wasn't compatible with my cameras. But not too long ago, the software I use for it, called ispy, decided to start being cross-platform. Now all that stands in my way is a few games. All because the developers of those games are stuck with that ancient Linux Catch 22 issue "I would make stuff for linux if more people used it". Yeah, well we want to use it, but we can't because of those guys... It wouldn't be a problem if proton / wine actually worked for those games.
For me it's my legacy film scanner, capture cards for video production, and midi interface. Then there's the CAD software electronic design circuit board design software that all runs on Windows only. And finally there's Adobe CS6 which I still use for all my graphics work.
@@basspig I still use photoshop cs6 too. Of course, I also have krita and gimp installed, and I occasionally switch which one I use from time to time. Photoshop still feels superior to me.
There are some clear phases here. 1. The new competitor shows up and struggles to get users. 2. The monopol gets worse pushing more people away. 3. The increase in relevance pushes the support for the new competitor. 4. The increased support drives more people towards the better competitor. (current) 5. The monopol solution loses its monopol causing a chain reaction which increases the support for the competitor. 6A. The previous monopol either becomes better trying to be more competitive. 6B. The previous monopol fails to safe its user base causing a steep decline in users.
I don't understand the push from Linux users for widespread adoption. What benefit would that bring? All that would happen is some company (looking at you Canonical) would use the adoption to monetise, and then we'd end up with the same situation we have with Windows. I'm old enough to remember when Apple were the good guys. Success breeds these nefarious business practices.
I'm old enough to remember also, and I agree with what you said about Apple to a degree...in my mind Woz was the good guy but I never trusted Jobs. He just seemed oily and commercial, whereas Woz was more the "betterment of Mankind" type. But that's just my two cents.
Popularity brings better hardware and software support. Most of kernel contributors are professional developers paid to work on it. Users and companies, governments may donate to developers. Popularity brings stability. SteamOS Holo used by 44% percent of Linux Steam users. That's a lot of leverage. I'd prefer if there were more users of Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch etc.
the difference is that Linux is Open Source. The examples you gave while still can be true, you can bet that there will always be the telemetry-free distros because Linux is Open Source. Apple never opened Mac OS. Microsoft never opened NT kernel nor even DOS kernel. Linux has, always will, be free and open
I understand the sentiment, and my answer is this. In general Linux is more configurable, the OS is not trying to sell things to you, it is fast(everything on Windows is loading, on Linux it just opens), installing things is a couple of clicks. Linux flavors allow catering to specific audiences(Ubuntu is a "just works" distro)
The encouraging thing is that with that increase in user base comes a greater momentum at a point where the rest of the desktop market is continuing to fragment. "Windows" isn't even a unified category any longer. Business users, office users, your granny and gamers: they all have their, often mutually exclusive, requirements. A really nice gaming rig is useless for almost any other application, for instance (I guess you can video edit on one if you don't care about sound). So that market share shouldn't be set off against Windows as a whole, but various sections of Windows users. Crazy as it sounds, I think Linux users form a more coherent community. Where I do kind of disagree with you is that I don't think people abandoning Windows will buy Chromebooks. Some may, but most will just switch entirely to their phones or, in the case of the elderly, to iPads.
I would not mind ads in Windows if it actually provided the ultimate desktop computing experience and each version made my computer work better and allowed me to do more things. Alas, it does not do this ! Every version makes it Worse ( as you say ). I am very pleased with my Linux because updates actually provide a gradual increase in performance and capability. There used to be a time when Linux desktops were trying to catch up with Windows (admittedly a long time ago) but now it is fair to say that Microsoft is usually 'inspired' by developments in the Linux world.
Business users are gonna loooove Win 11 delivering malware to their internal network. Becaus let's face it, some advertiser will do it. Sure, the big companies will be able to afford the business version, but the mid to small companies don't always have those resources. It'll be a glorious disaster.
Agree with you thats why I also will switch to Linux early next year when I build a new PC. The last Windows versions Ive enjoyed were Windows7 and WindowsXP.
Please do make that video about Ubuntu. I use Mint and love it, but I don't want to see Linux follow along in Microsoft's footsteps. People who switch from Windows to Linux do so for a reason: we're sick of being spied on and having ads thrown in our faces.
on windows 10 they also have the "news feed" pop up occasionally... priming users for ad pop ups no doubt....that can be disabled but I still remember the game ads in the start menu for sure.
I got a windows 11 laptop recently. Trying that was actually the push I needed to switch over to linux. I think I lasted about a week, maybe two with windows 11. Still learning a bit about linux, since I had never used it in my life before. But it's not as hard as people make it seems. Using the terminal when I need to is the biggest difference, and I think that will come with time.
The Comment of "Windows is/was good, but is getting worse, while Linux is/was bad, but getting better" is very true. When I first tried Linux back in 2012 (just a bit after Steam officially arrived to Linux), the experience was capable but you absolutely had to get alternate programs/systems. But now, so much better with software either directly being present or the conversion/translation being easier and more effective. If it wasn't for the last 20% of things that I really rely on for my common use cases, I would be very happy to stay in my Linux OS. But that constant presence of "this doesn't" (or "might not and can't risk") situations keep me switching between the two.
I have been back on Mint for a month now, I wish I didn't have to run a separate desktop with windows on it for like 4 programs I can not run on Linux, but I will live daily on my Linux Mint which seems to be my distro of choice. Great video.
My worry is Wayland as a base have elected not to ship with feature parity to something like xorg and we're still only in the phase where we're discovering new protocols that need to be agreed upon (and then implemented) to even give desktop applications a chance to port their software, and thus we could still be finding these dark corners for years and years to come. And so, as Windows gets worse, Linux may not be ready to welcome them(not to mention lack of software etc) in a friendly way and they'll be stuck in this weird limbo where some choose to ignore all that Microsoft are doing wrong or will go to Mac.
Most desktops provided XOrg session until recently. Wayland fixes real issues like different monitors DPI, refresh rate. Wayland implements HDR, Microsoft implemented HDR in Windows 10.
I booted my Windows 11 gaming machine for the first time in a few weeks today and was reminded why I hate Windows so much. Windows update tells me I have updates to install, I click install, says update failed and I need to restart. I restart and I'm prompted for more updates, updates fail again. Then I'm prompted for a GPU driver update. Another restart. Then Windows wants to update again, this time succeeding but taking 10 mins to finish. As I was waiting on the last update, I just went back to my Linux Mint system to play some Dave the Diver on that instead. I need to get Linux on the gaming system and just accept that there are a few games I won't be able to play anymore (and I never really played those anyway). My work computer is a MacBook Pro, so the amount of time I'm in Windows is very little. And moments like I had today remind me why. Thanks goodness for Steam and Proton for making gaming simple on Linux these days.
That ending perfectly shows that wayland is still not production ready, yet distros push it as the default xD But i do agree with what's in the video. On my desktop PC I still keep windows 10 on a ssd for when occasionally a game doesn't work but i daily drive linux as my main OS for the last 10 years and even game on it just fine on Xorg.
Windows 7 is at 20%. I'm using it too, and don't plan to change a thing. I did try Linux, some 2 dozen distros, but music apps always tanked with xruns, so I bailed. For tasks other than music, though, Linux seems quite handy indeed.
Everyone switching to linux at once would be the worst thing, it would just create pressure for linux to become more like windows. Whether linux will ever be a major player on the desktop is a difficult one. It's possible some unseen technological breakthrough changes everything and displaces windows already before that.
Linus torvalds made Linux for the desktop and the platform he made it for still isn't conquered but I've seen he has hope chromebooks will put Linux desktop in more peoples hands in some interview and that he will switch to it too once he can go kernel testing on chrome os.
Everyone has different tipping point and if something you use for a long time starts to go bad and crosses that point, you naturally start looking for an alternative. After about 20 years im actually considering going back to Linux. Used it for a while very long time ago when i got one of my first PCs that couldnt run newer version of windows at the time. All i remember from it now is that it had 300Mhz cpu from Intel i think, it was pretty much scrap but it worked until i got pentium 4 1.8Ghz. Good old times. Not yet sure if im gonna make the switch but the way i see it i have pretty much 3 choices. 1. "upgrading" to win 11 and just dont care about all the terrible stuff they did with it that i dont want and finding ways to make win 11 useable. 2. switch to Linux and try to work stuff out there or stay on win 10 and get some good antivirus software to keep it going for a while, definetly not gonna pay for additional support, that shit aint worth it. I guess im gonna know in a year.
What might happen in the next few years (or maybe decades) is companies might start making their own distrubtions like what Valve did and Android manufacturers are doing, this is due to the fact that a lot of people have moved to MacOS unfortunately. As much as we hate Macs, we can't deny the fact that they're easy-to-use for the average user and far more capable than ChromeOS and we can take note of its best features.
I finally got vfio passthrough working nicely on gentoo (something I gave up on a year ago), so hopefully I'm here on linux to stay. On the topic, I would much rather use my stripped-down Windows 10 VM than even look at Ubuntu again oml. Since I have a VM rig (I basically NEED to do the passthrough to VM to utilize my graphics card), I'm thinking of also setting up a VM with that new Bazzite distribution that Titus reviewed recently. It looks to essentially be a fork of SteamOS with an active community maintaining it. I hope having a couple of streamlined VMs for my GPU-heavy jobs turns out to be a nice convenience rather than a burden.
One of the things that stopped me from using Windows was how they started syncing User folders to OneDrive, which makes it difficult to use folders like Desktop, Pictures, etc. It made it to where I didn't have control over my User folder and I was like "it's time to finally make that switch for good".
Linux has the momentum to potentially steal a lot of Windows fans, but no one makes a distro good enough. If there was just a basic Linux Mint gaming version that includes Proton GE and other tools and programs to make gaming truly plug and play with maximum compatibility, I think people would go for it. The Steam Deck is a smash hit
About the Win vs. Linux migration thing, all I can say is that mega-corps who are seriously invested in their MS infrastructure are not going to shift. Not now, and likely not ever (although didn't an entire State of Germany just decide to go FOSS-only for government work? - I may be wrong about that!) Oh, and then about the Adobe thing as one of the sticking-points. The two I get most is "Thunderbird isn't Outlook" and "My Publisher docs don't render correctly in LibreOffice"
I had to install win10 a couple of months ago and it's much more painful to install than any mainstream linux distro. There were a milion checkboxes to uncheck to opt out of some of the spyware and what not. The linux installers on the other hand are just as straightforward as win98/xp/7 installers used to be
I've talked about Linux to people I know in a professional office environment. But they generally believe that if they use Linux. They won't be able to seamlessly use and communicate with Microsoft based products.
@1:58 Nothing is as constant as change in the IT world. On the other hand Linux becoming more mainstream is not a necessity to be a viable option. Unless you aim for 100% compatibility with modern hardware. @3:11 Microsoft does not seem to agree.
I imagine there's a number of people who are never going to want to learn how to install an OS. For Linux to get truly widespread adoption, OEMs at some point would have to be offering some distro pre-installed (and we're talking non-chrome-OS here).
I would generally agree with you on the demise of Windows. IMO, it is functionally a decent operating system. It has some long standing problems that MS has failed to resolve (i.e. file and folder name length limits), but software support is good and functions generally operate in an expected way (maybe even better than in earlier versions of Windows like 95 and XP). On the other hand, telemetry is out of control, the update process is often flawed, and advertisement in this pay-to-use OS is getting worse and more intrusive all the time. Windows 11 is definitely a big step backwards in terms of user interface and generally dumbing-down of Windows. This is to be expected, as the main goal of Windows, indeed all corporate software, is to make money for the corporations who make that software, often through deceptive means that are commonly forced on the user. That being said, I really don't want a lot more users on Linux. I can't deny that I would like to see the Linux market share grow and see fewer people tortured by the mostly negative experience of using corporate software, as well as seeing the tech oligarchs and their supporters deprived of more and more income. What I don't want is to see more malware and dumbing-down come to Linux and affect it the way Windows has always been. I also don't want to see a limitation of choices in Linux with a move toward one or a few standardized distros instead of the many choices that are available now. I also don't want to see Linux get bloated and slow down substantially like Windows, depriving users of low end machines of the benefits of having a light OS and putting more strain on more capable systems. Just my thoughts.
Someone may have already touched on this, but I’m just curious how macOS fits into this discussion. If someone is on windows, they are obviously not opposed to a closed system so wouldn’t Mac be the logical progression before Linux? I am a musician and so I have been using Mac since 2004 but in the last three years, I’ve also had Linux running on a separate laptop for things that don’t need the extra Mac only utilities. Is the Mac hardware the major barrier here?
_"hyperland just crashed"_ At least on Linux, I can have a trail to something causing a problem if it has nothing to do with GPU issues. On Windows, it's either restart Windows Explorer or reboot... (or the silly way of "dId U rUN iT As AdMiN." No, never do that)
I dumped Windows when I could no longer keep Seven running. I'm sorry to say that until Mint or similar comes installed on new computers for a large part of the market, the number of Linux users may never get above ten percent. It's an operating system that requires users to think for themselves--not that Linux is all that hard these days, but switching to Linux only happens when people take steps to run their own lives. That being said, Microsoft is the kind of corporation that could force a market shift.
The crash at the end is why I'm not using Wayland yet. That, and window managers. Way more choices on Xorg. At least for now. But I couldn't agree more; Linux is getting better every day, while Windows just gets worse and worse. Also, now that I've heard both you and Brodie use it, I'm definitely adding "enshitification" to my vocabulary.
People keep saying "linux install hard" but I genuinely think like Tumbleweed, Mint and Linux Lite, for instance, can be a bit easier to install than windows nowadays if no OS is pre-installed and just as user-friendly for many currently windows users
Having installed Mint a couple of times, I find myself wondering what they're on. Easier than Windows? That's selling it a bit short. As easy as any Windows program on Windows, more like it.
I am somewhat confused about Adobe's approach. If they keep staying away from Linux, open source software will develop to a point where Adobe won't have a significant advantage. When that viable competition exists it will be too late for them. They will probably lose the vast majority of their customers.
1. Regardless of what Operating System you use, if you want to be ad-free then learn to use your computer offline. 2. I cannot make being ad-free become the enemy to doing more on my computer. So in my estimation, Linux is good for ad free browsing whereas Windows is good for doing things that I want even at its' worst so in effect, Linux would have me conforming to more than Windows does because it would be much harder for me to do what I want on Linux than Windows so even with the ads, it's Windows that sets me free.
I also had problems with Davinci Resolve and Clip Studio Paint, others had problems with AutoCAD and Office 365. Linux looks interesting but I can't use it on my main machine due to that. I need Davinci Resolve man...
It is a choice. You want ads in windows? Than you will get them. If you don't want ads than you can apply very easy and few things to turn them off. Also there is no thing such as free or paid version. It takes max 1minute for a script to activate windows without paying
would love to switch, but my well-established workflow would take many hours to set up again and I absolutely need speech-to-text. Not writing but speaking, it's so much better! On windows I press Win+H and just speak, but what to do on Linux?
As the downfall of Windows continues, more people will move to Linux or buy a Macbook and use MacOS. Especially for everyday people, most would just throw away their Windows PC and buy a Mac instead of thinking about installing Linux.
Windows 11 has shown me the path they are going down. Sad to watch them turn an operating system into a cell phone with A.I. I believe their best days are behind them if they keep going this way.
People bring the workplace home. We need to see more Linux in the workplace. More tooling to make it easy to manage a lot of Linux machines. Something accessible to Small Businesses and MSP's as well!
In the coming week I'll be wiping win11 from my laptop and going to fedora. I have run Suse linux on previous machines and loved it. Win11 is ridiculously unstable my machine blue screens atkeast twice a week since the last major update and copilot integration and now ads, hell no I'm done.
I‘m trying to use Linux as the main driver. One thing that i‘m missing is a good graphics suite or a professional DTP software. Not Adobe! I use the Affinity Suite, which has all the tools i need and is better than Adobe‘s products in some (many) areas. Affinity has also no plans to make it LInux native, but it runs in wine. Unfortunately without graphics acceleration at the moment, which is bad. My hope is that they might optimize the Windows version together with the Linux community so that it works optimally under Wine in the future. That would at least be something.
I too use Affinity but on my Mac, I have multiple machines. Anyway, Affinity just got bought and no matter how much they howl about never doing the subscription thing, their new parent company is all about it. I'd say based on real world experiences ... this won't last long and it will get a subscription model. I would think around v3.0 this will probably happen. As Matt said, the enshitification is real and it sucks balls. :(
Windows continues to get worse while linux continues to get better. Eventually I hope we can wholeheartedly recommend linux to all our friends and family with little to no draw backs.
But does Linux get any better? I've been following and trying Linux since about 2005. Still the same criticisms. Hardware compatibility. Drivers. Wine.
Linux improved a lot. I've switched in 2006, there was Firefox, no Flash that is web video, web was almost dependent on IE6. Today we have plenty of browsers, GPU accelerated video in browser, even Microsoft Edge runs on Linux. We have open source GPU drivers by Intel, AMD and NVIDIA (though NVK still does not match closed source driver). Steam runs almost every Windows game I've tried with Proton.
Linux will lag behind on VERY new hardware and very proprietary hardware, it's just inevitable. However, it catches up eventually by making its own drivers for proprietary hardware and the new stuff will have a driver for as well. This can only change if the hardware manufacturers release drivers for their new hardware day 1.
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Personally to me it is a good thing that growth of Linux usage is slow because it also gives the time to improve the desktop environments and compatibility with software. Plus this makes Linux more of a focus approach vs MS #!@#! blunderbuss approach.
If Microsoft would have just kept repackaging Windows 7 with security updates and new themes, I probably would have kept eating it up. They probably could have squeezed $50 out of me every 8 years or so. But the telemetry, advertising, and removal of existing features is unacceptable. Now they will be getting $0 from me forever.
exactly what I said. If they simply just renewed Windows exactly as they had it with 7 just with a couple of new features here and there, no bloat or telemetry or anything, I would have never moved.
Windows XP and 7 were fucking goated. I second this post.
Windows XP and 7 were when Windows was at its peak, honestly, with the way things are in reality. Windows 10 is bearable. I will avoid Windows 11 and beyond until further notice. While at where I work where they may end up pushing everyone to move, I'll hold out as long as possible.
Linux in India has 15% market share 😁
yeah but that doesn't count. they just can't afford windows
@@andrewnoonan8175 why wouldn't that count? they're still using linux no matter the reason.
@@andrewnoonan8175you can basically use window for free. It absolutely counts. There is very little draw back for not having a paid license.
@@andrewnoonan8175I only know this because I installed windows 10 in a VM without a license and I think it just didn't let me change the wallpaper, which basically doesn't matter if it means you can use it for free. For a VM, it absolutely didn't matter since it still ran the apps I needed to run.
I actually have a retail license of windows 10. I just couldn't remember where I left the key, so I just installed it without it. I only installed windows 10 home. Not sure what happens if you install any of the other versions such as Pro or Enterprise. I'm assuming it probably disables those features.
@anon2047 also making an OS which everyone could use was exactly linus torvald goal, so it's nice that in India linux gets used for that reason.
It means linus reason for making linux open source did come true
imagine paying for an OS and you get ads thrown on your face. disgrace of an OS.
It's also why I don't have spotify anymore, paying premium and getting ads? no.
i dont think people pay for windows anymore
@@detecta I certainly don't, happy on Linux.
Windows 7 was the last good Windows OS. I knew I had to switch to Linux soon after Windows 10 got announced. Glad I did! 👍
For me windows 8 & 8.1, what they did with start menu on win 8 is in my opinion best thing they did , but not many people liked it so yeah , win 10 is okay & win 11 is just bad terrible .
Windows 95 and Windows 98
so did i but the time came in mid 2023 when my motherboard died. Still using win7 on a laptop though but probably not for long,
so did i but the time came in mid 2023 when my motherboard died. Still using win7 on a laptop though but probably not for long,
Windows wants me to conform. Linux sets me free.
that and Linux is setup to look great and not constantly changing little bits of the settings through micro updates to it🤣🤣
and Windows wants to slowly take your will to live away slowly and steadily🤣🤣🤣
And macOS locks you up.
''I take my freedom where I can get it''
@@JHSaxaexcellent experience
For machoism
when you are set FREE there is no need for Gates and Windows!
I think most people don't care about the ads (I do care, but many regular people don't). The biggest problem is that Windows 11 requires lots of people to buy a new computer while support for Windows 10 is ending.
So people have the option to buy a new expensive computer, or just install Linux and keep using their existing PC.
And we live in a time people use their browser for everything anyways. Migrating to Linux is easier nowadays. Microsoft doesn't care as long as you still use their cloud services.
Important comment here. I used to stick with Windows or Mac throughout the past because the apps were much more important. Even simple things like email. Fast forward to today, with smartphones playing a huge role in everyone's lives, and almost every daily task can be handled in the browser, which is a tremendous equalizer.
Yeah I don't know why they had to do that with 11. It's the opposite of what they did with 10. Windows 10 was made to be compatible with every computer. I was able to install it on an old 2007 dell latitude, and it worked better than XP, Vista, or 7 on it. I was happy because it gave that laptop a second chance. But 11 wont install on it... So now it's using straight up debian because it's what I like.
What they'll do is keep using their computer after support for Windows 10 has ended, get malware, and contribute to botnets. Very few are going to install Linux.
But I am finding my Linux evangelizing is becoming increasingly effective.
I switched to Zorin Core but kept Chrome. Made switching very easy. Many people may not know they can keep Chrome since no distro comes with it.
Windows 10 was alright for me but Windows 11 was the nail in the coffin. I played with Linux a little bit in the past and even got my dad using it so it was only a matter of time. Been running Mint for a month now and my laptop has never run this smooth without overheating! I'm enjoying the ride and never looking back.
nice. If you move distros and like Mint try MX, I like the KDE version of MX the most. Even faster than mint, more tools too. It's really just a lightweight debian 12 w/ some nice out of box stuff.
if you want arch-based EoS is da wae
@@escapetherace1943 Ahhh... another enlightened one of how great MX Linux is! I too use this distro with KDE Plasma. The default settings looks bland but the apps/tools included is what makes this distro great! I have modified the look on mine heavily and now looks much more modern than any Windows OS can hope for! 😋
Mint is an ugly version of Ubuntu without the great support. I used it for a number of months and never bothered to get it again. Plus it doesn't work on very new hardware
@@famousmwofficial8046 what would you suggest for an alternative?
@@xellaz lol MX is fantastic. If I didn't have arch on my main machine it'd be MX which I have on everything else
Windows user here, heres what I can not stand with the o/s
1) microsoft insatiable desire to force you into a online user account just to use your computer.
2) the stripping of control away from the end user.
3) the amount of telemetry , spying that's happening in the background.
4) advertisements....just no.
So, it really is like you don't own your own computer with a windows o/s. I'd switch to Linux in a heartbeat if gaming was flawless, I could mod my games etc etc.
Chrome o/s is a no go for me. Google is just a giant spy machine and arbiter of approved information. Not a chance I'll use it. Bad enough I'm using a phone with their Spyware all in it.
I'm excited for Linux. Truly. I hope it's their to save us all in the end.
Most the people I know have never even heard of Linux. We need to get the word out more.
Please no. They will complain without end and bring bad changes to Linux. Leave them on Windows.
and linux is as old as win 3.1.
Linux is for those who seek freedom and truth. It's not for normies.
@@CrackHeadDaddy It can be for normies, but it would require a big amount of work to make it function that way
I feel like Valve actually is in a good position to release SteamOS and get a lot of gamers to switch
A dedicated gaming OS, without any bloatware and the rest of the gimmicks,it would be indeed a breath of fresh air, not to talk about optimizing, troubleshooting, monitoring, etc etc …
not until nvidia is plug and play and drivers are better
Good point top gpus are Nvidia
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Stop using NVidia. They're bad for gaming because they aren't building things for gamers anymore, but massive tech corporations.
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The gap between Nvidia and AMD GPUs is tiny. Nvidia's giant lead has always been a myth. I can tell you this from first hand experience, as I've swapped between them for decades, and I always regret switching to Nvidia. They're overpriced, they usually run too hot, they always have all sorts of design issues and the performance advantage is marginal at best. My last Nvidia was a 970, and it had horrible VRAM problems.
I recently made the switch to Linux. You can see the writing on the wall with windows. The big thing was gaming, the fact that it is mostly usable out of the box made the switch worth it. I found my photoshop alternative with Krita, and I like it much more. It was only a matter of time for me to make the switch. My next system was going to be Linux, I wasn't buying another windows key. The fact the switch happened now is great. Once I make my next system, I shouldn't have any problems.
Even if I can get a Windows key for free... I would still switch to Linux (and I did) with the way Windows OS is going... 😮💨 People just have to be open to change. Like you, what helped me the most in switching to Linux smoothly from Windows is finding alternatives in Linux of the apps I often use in Windows. I was surprised that the alternatives in Linux was much better than the ones I use in Windows and is free and open source! So many hidden gems of apps in Linux waiting to be found. You just have to put the effort to find and learn using them. 🥸
Just so you know, Krita is for *Digital Painting*
Not *Image Manipulation,* that's GIMP's job, however ypu can make the UI to look like Photoshop using 1 of 2 methods:
1. How to make GIMP loon like Photoshop CC 2020 by *Davis Media Design*
2. Use the PhotoGIMP addon
@@RayOfSunlight984 Yes I know what Krita is for, and that is what I need, digital painting.
@@Karn0010 Ah, good then, it'd just that a lot of Linux users as far as i understand misuse Krita for Image Manipulation
@@Karn0010 you were using Photoshop for drawing? as a young teenager I used Medibang/Firealpaca because I couldn't afford Photoshop. Once I was using those programs, I was glad I never spent a dime for Photoshop.
It's less about Linux as an operating environment and more about software availability and compatibility.
It's just big corporate software companies like Nvidia and Adobe who want you to keep paying them money. Adobe is the worst
oh i use arch btw :) have a great weekend.
exactly. I want to use Linux, but my work with 3D modeling and solidworks prevents from going to linux, and switching OS is such a hassle.
Most people use PCs for either gaming or work...two use cases where Linux is impractical.
@@mohammadjebrini3457 This. A lot of people seem to miss that? Not everyone just uses their pc for gaming and basic tasks. I'd love to switch to Linux (And tried) but certain software (and hardware) I own simply just does not work on Linux.
@@noahheningergaming works great and most workloads have linux alternatives. I stopped all home windows use years ago. Only the laptop work gave me is running windows constantly. There are only a few use cases where windows has truly better software. Otherwise it is just a matter of learning the use of the linux alternatives. You can also run some of those windows apps with wine but if you aren't willing to dig in i can see not wanting to mess with that.
Windows 7 was Microsoft's best consumer operating system...
Windows 11 is on my "don't bother with it" list...
Microsoft Office checked out of reality in 2014...thanks.
LibreOffice is ample for majority of the tasks that can be done with Office.
@@diablow1411 Very true! Switched to its predecessor back in the mid-2000s and haven't pirated Office since.
I'm just happy I switched to linux full time many years ago.
I wanted to switch to Linux ever since Windows 8. I was planning to boycott Win 10 because of it increasingly siphoning user data, taking away user agency etc. Having to fight your OS to stop it from installing things you don't want meant it's inherently untrustworthy which is not a good thing for an OS. Gaming on linux wasn't quite there yet back in the day and It's been too convenient to just upgrade windows to 10. So I stuck around and my next plan was to ride out windows 10 until they sunset it, then switch. Definitely no Win 11 for me.
But then MS expedited my leaving. They started shoving more cloud services onto my machine without me agreeing to it, then they made a new EULA that basically said my PC would belong to their AI.
Thanks to Steam Deck I knew that Linux gaming actually was in a great place these days. I made the switch over half a year ago now and never looked back. I don't dual boot or anything and I don't miss a thing. Thanks MS for finally giving me the necessary incentive to step out of my comfort zone.
I am glad my Windows 7 crashed and I installed Linux, I didn't have to deal with Windows 8. Just the fact that I could only install the Window 7 CD I paid $100 for on one of my computers pissed me off.
Microsoft made Windows users into guests. This is true as some part of the OS is off limit, like the Edge browser that user cannot uninstall, and it shouldn't be this way. If your house has some rooms that are off limit, is it your house? Maybe I went too far but no doubt that if Microsoft keep on doing what they are doing, at one point Windows users will be all guest users, and the OS will ask for subscriptions. There is nothing much the users can do because ultimately it is a Microsoft product, it is Microsoft's will.
Linux on the other hand, is made by people who just want something that can run well. It is common interest, minus the drive to make more money. And there is a clear distinction about making money in Linux: the enterprise Linux for business, and it has been successful because it marketed where it should be. Things just work wonders when it follows the simple rule of a time and a place for everything.
Microsoft are now stopping certain programs from being installed, Thy have a list of programs if you change the name you can install them but some of them crash the new Kernel, not all just some. If the ms certificate is out of date NO install either, it's only going to get worse.
I dumped Windows since 8 when they obfuscated the menu and UI in favour of a "mobile/touchscreen frankenstein" setup, which for visually impaired users, was just a deal-breaker. Never looking back (pun intended).
My mother, who got her first computer with Windows 8 and that horrible "mobile/touchscreen frankenstein" UI, refuses to update because any other UI is "too confusing" for her... Yeah, I don't get it either.
W2k was the best. Had so many w2k bots at the time.
W7 is the last I ever used.
Mandrake 5 was the first I used and now Mint is my fav.
Why would one accept adds on an OS you pay for?
Thats ridiculous.
Being born in 1999, I actually had a chance to use Windows 2000. It was not bad at all for the time, being simple, utilitarian, and easy on resources (from what I remember).
XP was awesome. I remember when all of our elementary school's computers had it and never wanting to leave.
Vista was buggy.
7 was awesome as well. Even better than XP, I think this is truly when Windows was at its peak.
10 is okay. This is where the trouble starts. Tons of bloat and privacy settings that need to be turned off, this is the last version of Windows that'll be going on to any computer I buy or build in the future.
You never used Windows 10/11 but you know 2000 was the best? How?
@@haakon_b It was the best for getting a botnet, but as I see theres still heaps of leaks in Windows nowadays, I presume its not alot better.
I could see Windows shedding its legacy past completely and using a Linux base to be the next Windows. That would be a huge victory for Linux but not in the sense of FOSS.
It does seem like this is their direction. They're turning Windows inside out. Now you can run Linux on Windows and vice versa.
Windows kernel has drivers, Microsoft provided WSL to prevent users from switching to Linux. Microsoft would gain nothing from switching kernel to Linux.
Honestly, I had used Linux in the past and I reverted back to Windows 10 from some point. When I heard that Win 11 will roll out and 10 will be phased out I just switched back and got Pop OS.
I mostly hesitated to switch because of a lack of Adobe Software for 3D; then I found out that there's armorpaint and the ucupaint addon for Blender and that blender works 4 times faster; I just swooshed.
Since I game from time to time, I tried out some games via proton and Lutris, and apparently, they all worked out of the box. I'd say that gaming is in fact terrible now for those that play some sort of multiplayer game using anticheat(Monster Hunter World works amazing btw!). If you're a single player main guy, you're just going to love to move to Linux, no hesitation! Baldur's Gate 3 works even better for me than on Windows, with DX11 borderless(Vulkan seems slower for some reason). lol
As a dedicated single-player guy, I appreciate this comment as when I overcome my laziness I'm switching my Nitro 5 from 11 to Linux. It's my last Windows machine, and it could definitely use any sort of performance boost I can give it with the 4050ti within lol. At first I stayed on Windows because of possible warranty hassles (bought it June before last) and I wanted to give 11 an honest go, but now that warranty is over and I'm thoroughly unimpressed with 11...just haven't wanted to interrupt my gaming for the changeover process.
In the US, I'd think that most people would start looking at MacOS, since that will run the big-name software they are used to. Macs don't have the ads since Apple makes money on the hardware as well as the services and devices (iPhone, etc). Linux will grow however, no doubt about it. I switched 9 months ago to Mint Cinnamon, and I love it, would never go back to Win.
Macs do with hardware what Windows does with software, though. Forces you to do things their way. Can't add RAM, can't customize or upgrade or choose anything besides a basic set of options. No thanks.
Ahh, the "enshitification" of Microsoft Windows. The last time I genuinely liked Windows was 7. BTW I think many people are sick of pirating Windows. It's a massive headache. Honestly, the average user could use the just werks distros for the web surfing, TH-cam watching and e-mail needs.
can I ask, how is it a headache? you literally just open MAS 1.7, press 1, and you're done
@@glebglub Yes hwid activator will make windows activated even after system reinstall.
@@glebglub it's just the fact you have to do that is ridiculous. Better spend that time on installing Linux
This is what made me quit windows. I'd been on Linux on my developer machines, but kept Windows for gaming (based on the claims by all the people who say you can't game on Linux; yes, I'm salty over that), and when I built a new rig in 2020, I just... couldn't do it again, couldn't greymarket and finagle and yada yada, given Linux was right there. So I gave up gaming, took the plunge, and learned that I could game perfectly fine (still salty).
Worst features recently added in Windows:
I can't open the recycle bin via the search bar.
I can't use my keyboard in the lock screen after starting, I have to use my mouse
A lot of people keep using Windows, because they are afraid of change. Meanwhile they don't notice, that Windows is changing for the worse all the time. I use Windows computers for work and it's okay for that, but I fear the switch to Windows 11 already today...
Windows 7 really was the pinnacle of Windows' quality curve.
Totally agree with you, Brodie and DT Matt and I’ve already moved to Linux
I used Windows for 25+ years. I recently switched to Linux and it's way better in my opinion. I kicked Windows off all my computers and there's nothing I can't do on Linux that I could do on Windows, other than running a few Windows based programs and games. I replaced Adobe Photoshop with Krita and it does what I need it to do. I tried Gimp and it didn't resonate with me at all, but Krita is pretty good.
Thanks for the Krita recommendation. I'll look at that.
Photoshop can be run in a browser and there is also Photopea which is free and very similar to Photoshop. Windows 11 feels bloated and the interface doesn't look professional.
@@maccagrabme I had not heard of Photopea. I'll check it. Thank you.
@@maccagrabme I had Windows 11 Pro and it felt more like a Fisher Price Windows 10. I might have stayed with Windows if updates were just for security and bug fixes but now they go in and make major changes to the OS that you can't opt out of and that's just plain ridiculous.
@@k.b.tidwell You're welcome. I was psyched when I found out about it. I'm still figuring it out but I'm back to making images again and so far have been able to do what I need to do.
I've moved from Windows bcoz of it's telemetry data collection and forcing of using their default behavior like pushed updates or other features... It's scary about their hidden telemetry. 🤦♂️
It's really sad to see.
Adobe and Gaming definitely are hurdles. For me, a third hurdle was once not having proper IP Camera viewing software available. Everything available on Linux wasn't compatible with my cameras. But not too long ago, the software I use for it, called ispy, decided to start being cross-platform. Now all that stands in my way is a few games. All because the developers of those games are stuck with that ancient Linux Catch 22 issue "I would make stuff for linux if more people used it". Yeah, well we want to use it, but we can't because of those guys... It wouldn't be a problem if proton / wine actually worked for those games.
For me it's my legacy film scanner, capture cards for video production, and midi interface. Then there's the CAD software electronic design circuit board design software that all runs on Windows only. And finally there's Adobe CS6 which I still use for all my graphics work.
@@basspig I still use photoshop cs6 too. Of course, I also have krita and gimp installed, and I occasionally switch which one I use from time to time. Photoshop still feels superior to me.
in the end no one wins because even if windows went down tomorrow, 40% of the market share is still going to be windows 10 for the next 30 years.
birb
There are some clear phases here.
1. The new competitor shows up and struggles to get users.
2. The monopol gets worse pushing more people away.
3. The increase in relevance pushes the support for the new competitor.
4. The increased support drives more people towards the better competitor. (current)
5. The monopol solution loses its monopol causing a chain reaction which increases the support for the competitor.
6A. The previous monopol either becomes better trying to be more competitive.
6B. The previous monopol fails to safe its user base causing a steep decline in users.
The new competitor is on the market for around 30 years now. 😂
There is literally nothing you can say that will hit harder than that thumbnail text. I expect Billiam Gates to be bankrupt by tonight.
I think it's not gonna happen since their largest revenue comes from Linux contributions, not Windows
Could you explain this? I mean how come they are getting money by linux?@@andrabtedja
You know he isn't in charge of Microsoft anymore don't you? Neither is Steve Balmer
You do all realise that @Banilla468 was making a joke with a little sarcasm thrown in for good measure right?
@@Nodster I um... wasn't responding to him. I was responding to user-nk6ys5cu6m. :o
I think the Steam Deck played a major role in the 2%-4% growth of Linux.
I don't understand the push from Linux users for widespread adoption. What benefit would that bring? All that would happen is some company (looking at you Canonical) would use the adoption to monetise, and then we'd end up with the same situation we have with Windows.
I'm old enough to remember when Apple were the good guys. Success breeds these nefarious business practices.
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I'm old enough to remember also, and I agree with what you said about Apple to a degree...in my mind Woz was the good guy but I never trusted Jobs. He just seemed oily and commercial, whereas Woz was more the "betterment of Mankind" type. But that's just my two cents.
Popularity brings better hardware and software support. Most of kernel contributors are professional developers paid to work on it. Users and companies, governments may donate to developers.
Popularity brings stability. SteamOS Holo used by 44% percent of Linux Steam users. That's a lot of leverage. I'd prefer if there were more users of Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch etc.
the difference is that Linux is Open Source. The examples you gave while still can be true, you can bet that there will always be the telemetry-free distros because Linux is Open Source. Apple never opened Mac OS. Microsoft never opened NT kernel nor even DOS kernel. Linux has, always will, be free and open
I understand the sentiment, and my answer is this. In general Linux is more configurable, the OS is not trying to sell things to you, it is fast(everything on Windows is loading, on Linux it just opens), installing things is a couple of clicks. Linux flavors allow catering to specific audiences(Ubuntu is a "just works" distro)
The encouraging thing is that with that increase in user base comes a greater momentum at a point where the rest of the desktop market is continuing to fragment. "Windows" isn't even a unified category any longer. Business users, office users, your granny and gamers: they all have their, often mutually exclusive, requirements. A really nice gaming rig is useless for almost any other application, for instance (I guess you can video edit on one if you don't care about sound). So that market share shouldn't be set off against Windows as a whole, but various sections of Windows users. Crazy as it sounds, I think Linux users form a more coherent community.
Where I do kind of disagree with you is that I don't think people abandoning Windows will buy Chromebooks. Some may, but most will just switch entirely to their phones or, in the case of the elderly, to iPads.
i have a friend who sold his laptop for tablet , because laptop was useless to him
I would not mind ads in Windows if it actually provided the ultimate desktop computing experience and each version made my computer work better and allowed me to do more things. Alas, it does not do this ! Every version makes it Worse ( as you say ). I am very pleased with my Linux because updates actually provide a gradual increase in performance and capability. There used to be a time when Linux desktops were trying to catch up with Windows (admittedly a long time ago) but now it is fair to say that Microsoft is usually 'inspired' by developments in the Linux world.
Business users are gonna loooove Win 11 delivering malware to their internal network. Becaus let's face it, some advertiser will do it. Sure, the big companies will be able to afford the business version, but the mid to small companies don't always have those resources. It'll be a glorious disaster.
Agree with you thats why I also will switch to Linux early next year when I build a new PC. The last Windows versions Ive enjoyed were Windows7 and WindowsXP.
Please do make that video about Ubuntu. I use Mint and love it, but I don't want to see Linux follow along in Microsoft's footsteps. People who switch from Windows to Linux do so for a reason: we're sick of being spied on and having ads thrown in our faces.
I hope you used the LMDE 6, Ubuntu is heading in the wrong direction
on windows 10 they also have the "news feed" pop up occasionally... priming users for ad pop ups no doubt....that can be disabled but I still remember the game ads in the start menu for sure.
The world needs open source, Windows sucking is only an opportunity for us!
I got a windows 11 laptop recently. Trying that was actually the push I needed to switch over to linux.
I think I lasted about a week, maybe two with windows 11.
Still learning a bit about linux, since I had never used it in my life before. But it's not as hard as people make it seems.
Using the terminal when I need to is the biggest difference, and I think that will come with time.
With time, when you need to use the terminal will turn into you want to.
GIMP would have to become as good if not better than Photoshop. Same with Inkscape
This requires a large injection of money for developers
Krita
The Comment of "Windows is/was good, but is getting worse, while Linux is/was bad, but getting better" is very true. When I first tried Linux back in 2012 (just a bit after Steam officially arrived to Linux), the experience was capable but you absolutely had to get alternate programs/systems. But now, so much better with software either directly being present or the conversion/translation being easier and more effective.
If it wasn't for the last 20% of things that I really rely on for my common use cases, I would be very happy to stay in my Linux OS. But that constant presence of "this doesn't" (or "might not and can't risk") situations keep me switching between the two.
I have been back on Mint for a month now, I wish I didn't have to run a separate desktop with windows on it for like 4 programs I can not run on Linux, but I will live daily on my Linux Mint which seems to be my distro of choice. Great video.
Windows is and will be mostly losing users to phones and tablets, then macos, then chromeos, then linux desktop
My worry is Wayland as a base have elected not to ship with feature parity to something like xorg and we're still only in the phase where we're discovering new protocols that need to be agreed upon (and then implemented) to even give desktop applications a chance to port their software, and thus we could still be finding these dark corners for years and years to come.
And so, as Windows gets worse, Linux may not be ready to welcome them(not to mention lack of software etc) in a friendly way and they'll be stuck in this weird limbo where some choose to ignore all that Microsoft are doing wrong or will go to Mac.
Most desktops provided XOrg session until recently. Wayland fixes real issues like different monitors DPI, refresh rate. Wayland implements HDR, Microsoft implemented HDR in Windows 10.
I booted my Windows 11 gaming machine for the first time in a few weeks today and was reminded why I hate Windows so much. Windows update tells me I have updates to install, I click install, says update failed and I need to restart. I restart and I'm prompted for more updates, updates fail again. Then I'm prompted for a GPU driver update. Another restart. Then Windows wants to update again, this time succeeding but taking 10 mins to finish. As I was waiting on the last update, I just went back to my Linux Mint system to play some Dave the Diver on that instead. I need to get Linux on the gaming system and just accept that there are a few games I won't be able to play anymore (and I never really played those anyway). My work computer is a MacBook Pro, so the amount of time I'm in Windows is very little. And moments like I had today remind me why. Thanks goodness for Steam and Proton for making gaming simple on Linux these days.
That ending perfectly shows that wayland is still not production ready, yet distros push it as the default xD But i do agree with what's in the video. On my desktop PC I still keep windows 10 on a ssd for when occasionally a game doesn't work but i daily drive linux as my main OS for the last 10 years and even game on it just fine on Xorg.
Windows 7 is at 20%. I'm using it too, and don't plan to change a thing. I did try Linux, some 2 dozen distros, but music apps always tanked with xruns, so I bailed. For tasks other than music, though, Linux seems quite handy indeed.
Everyone switching to linux at once would be the worst thing, it would just create pressure for linux to become more like windows.
Whether linux will ever be a major player on the desktop is a difficult one. It's possible some unseen technological breakthrough changes everything and displaces windows already before that.
Linus torvalds made Linux for the desktop and the platform he made it for still isn't conquered but I've seen he has hope chromebooks will put Linux desktop in more peoples hands in some interview and that he will switch to it too once he can go kernel testing on chrome os.
Everyone has different tipping point and if something you use for a long time starts to go bad and crosses that point, you naturally start looking for an alternative. After about 20 years im actually considering going back to Linux. Used it for a while very long time ago when i got one of my first PCs that couldnt run newer version of windows at the time. All i remember from it now is that it had 300Mhz cpu from Intel i think, it was pretty much scrap but it worked until i got pentium 4 1.8Ghz. Good old times. Not yet sure if im gonna make the switch but the way i see it i have pretty much 3 choices. 1. "upgrading" to win 11 and just dont care about all the terrible stuff they did with it that i dont want and finding ways to make win 11 useable. 2. switch to Linux and try to work stuff out there or stay on win 10 and get some good antivirus software to keep it going for a while, definetly not gonna pay for additional support, that shit aint worth it. I guess im gonna know in a year.
I switched to Mint about 2 months ago. I love it and I have no plans or need to switch back to Windows, especially with Steam Proton
What might happen in the next few years (or maybe decades) is companies might start making their own distrubtions like what Valve did and Android manufacturers are doing, this is due to the fact that a lot of people have moved to MacOS unfortunately. As much as we hate Macs, we can't deny the fact that they're easy-to-use for the average user and far more capable than ChromeOS and we can take note of its best features.
I finally got vfio passthrough working nicely on gentoo (something I gave up on a year ago), so hopefully I'm here on linux to stay. On the topic, I would much rather use my stripped-down Windows 10 VM than even look at Ubuntu again oml.
Since I have a VM rig (I basically NEED to do the passthrough to VM to utilize my graphics card), I'm thinking of also setting up a VM with that new Bazzite distribution that Titus reviewed recently. It looks to essentially be a fork of SteamOS with an active community maintaining it.
I hope having a couple of streamlined VMs for my GPU-heavy jobs turns out to be a nice convenience rather than a burden.
One of the things that stopped me from using Windows was how they started syncing User folders to OneDrive, which makes it difficult to use folders like Desktop, Pictures, etc. It made it to where I didn't have control over my User folder and I was like "it's time to finally make that switch for good".
Linux has the momentum to potentially steal a lot of Windows fans, but no one makes a distro good enough. If there was just a basic Linux Mint gaming version that includes Proton GE and other tools and programs to make gaming truly plug and play with maximum compatibility, I think people would go for it. The Steam Deck is a smash hit
About the Win vs. Linux migration thing, all I can say is that mega-corps who are seriously invested in their MS infrastructure are not going to shift. Not now, and likely not ever (although didn't an entire State of Germany just decide to go FOSS-only for government work? - I may be wrong about that!)
Oh, and then about the Adobe thing as one of the sticking-points. The two I get most is "Thunderbird isn't Outlook" and "My Publisher docs don't render correctly in LibreOffice"
I had to install win10 a couple of months ago and it's much more painful to install than any mainstream linux distro. There were a milion checkboxes to uncheck to opt out of some of the spyware and what not. The linux installers on the other hand are just as straightforward as win98/xp/7 installers used to be
I've been on Linux since XP annoyed me too much..
I've talked about Linux to people I know in a professional office environment. But they generally believe that if they use Linux. They won't be able to seamlessly use and communicate with Microsoft based products.
@1:58 Nothing is as constant as change in the IT world. On the other hand Linux becoming more mainstream is not a necessity to be a viable option. Unless you aim for 100% compatibility with modern hardware.
@3:11 Microsoft does not seem to agree.
I imagine there's a number of people who are never going to want to learn how to install an OS. For Linux to get truly widespread adoption, OEMs at some point would have to be offering some distro pre-installed (and we're talking non-chrome-OS here).
I would generally agree with you on the demise of Windows. IMO, it is functionally a decent operating system. It has some long standing problems that MS has failed to resolve (i.e. file and folder name length limits), but software support is good and functions generally operate in an expected way (maybe even better than in earlier versions of Windows like 95 and XP). On the other hand, telemetry is out of control, the update process is often flawed, and advertisement in this pay-to-use OS is getting worse and more intrusive all the time. Windows 11 is definitely a big step backwards in terms of user interface and generally dumbing-down of Windows. This is to be expected, as the main goal of Windows, indeed all corporate software, is to make money for the corporations who make that software, often through deceptive means that are commonly forced on the user.
That being said, I really don't want a lot more users on Linux. I can't deny that I would like to see the Linux market share grow and see fewer people tortured by the mostly negative experience of using corporate software, as well as seeing the tech oligarchs and their supporters deprived of more and more income. What I don't want is to see more malware and dumbing-down come to Linux and affect it the way Windows has always been. I also don't want to see a limitation of choices in Linux with a move toward one or a few standardized distros instead of the many choices that are available now. I also don't want to see Linux get bloated and slow down substantially like Windows, depriving users of low end machines of the benefits of having a light OS and putting more strain on more capable systems. Just my thoughts.
Someone may have already touched on this, but I’m just curious how macOS fits into this discussion. If someone is on windows, they are obviously not opposed to a closed system so wouldn’t Mac be the logical progression before Linux? I am a musician and so I have been using Mac since 2004 but in the last three years, I’ve also had Linux running on a separate laptop for things that don’t need the extra Mac only utilities. Is the Mac hardware the major barrier here?
_"hyperland just crashed"_
At least on Linux, I can have a trail to something causing a problem if it has nothing to do with GPU issues.
On Windows, it's either restart Windows Explorer or reboot... (or the silly way of "dId U rUN iT As AdMiN." No, never do that)
WinBloat 11
GIMP has 7 core developers - don't complain that development is slow
I dumped Windows when I could no longer keep Seven running. I'm sorry to say that until Mint or similar comes installed on new computers for a large part of the market, the number of Linux users may never get above ten percent. It's an operating system that requires users to think for themselves--not that Linux is all that hard these days, but switching to Linux only happens when people take steps to run their own lives.
That being said, Microsoft is the kind of corporation that could force a market shift.
The crash at the end is why I'm not using Wayland yet. That, and window managers. Way more choices on Xorg. At least for now. But I couldn't agree more; Linux is getting better every day, while Windows just gets worse and worse.
Also, now that I've heard both you and Brodie use it, I'm definitely adding "enshitification" to my vocabulary.
People keep saying "linux install hard" but I genuinely think like Tumbleweed, Mint and Linux Lite, for instance, can be a bit easier to install than windows nowadays if no OS is pre-installed and just as user-friendly for many currently windows users
Having installed Mint a couple of times, I find myself wondering what they're on. Easier than Windows? That's selling it a bit short. As easy as any Windows program on Windows, more like it.
I am somewhat confused about Adobe's approach.
If they keep staying away from Linux, open source software will develop to a point where Adobe won't have a significant advantage.
When that viable competition exists it will be too late for them.
They will probably lose the vast majority of their customers.
1. Regardless of what Operating System you use, if you want to be ad-free then learn to use your computer offline.
2. I cannot make being ad-free become the enemy to doing more on my computer.
So in my estimation, Linux is good for ad free browsing whereas Windows is good for doing things that I want even at its' worst so in effect, Linux would have me conforming to more than Windows does because it would be much harder for me to do what I want on Linux than Windows so even with the ads, it's Windows that sets me free.
lol... you nailed it... Adobe and Gaming...
I also had problems with Davinci Resolve and Clip Studio Paint, others had problems with AutoCAD and Office 365. Linux looks interesting but I can't use it on my main machine due to that. I need Davinci Resolve man...
What kind of problems? DaVinci works fine on my Linux PC. I did have to convert rpm to Deb, tho.
no adverts in windows 3.11.... roll back bro
It is a choice. You want ads in windows? Than you will get them. If you don't want ads than you can apply very easy and few things to turn them off. Also there is no thing such as free or paid version. It takes max 1minute for a script to activate windows without paying
I moved to Arch pretty much 90% of the time about 2 months ago. It's easy once you get used to it.
would love to switch, but my well-established workflow would take many hours to set up again and I absolutely need speech-to-text. Not writing but speaking, it's so much better! On windows I press Win+H and just speak, but what to do on Linux?
Have you tried Speech Note on Flathub? I don't use speach to text, installed just to check, downloaded small model, seems it works.
From my experience, Windows has improved over time, especially with Windows 11
i'm on windows and i seriously consider moving out to linux, the only thing that holds me back is incompatibility of linux with games i usually play
I need the games industry to support LInux Wine is doing a good job but the games suppliers need to start making them for Linux.
I would totally move to Linux... I just have trouble mapping my Wacom Expresskey Remote on Linux
Remember the saying, " You will own nothing, and you will like it"
And Ubuntu is the M$ of the linux world.
I just tried Linux for the first time this week the first one I tried was Linux Mint I'm going to try the others in due time
As the downfall of Windows continues, more people will move to Linux or buy a Macbook and use MacOS. Especially for everyday people, most would just throw away their Windows PC and buy a Mac instead of thinking about installing Linux.
Linux is definitely way better than Windows. Thank you for the video. Great content.
Windows ISN`T FREE but they do take a lot of personal data, give ADS. How does this logic work?!?!?!
Windows 11 has shown me the path they are going down. Sad to watch them turn an operating system into a cell phone with A.I. I believe their best days are behind them if they keep going this way.
Watching this on an old HP 8460p with socketed CPU, Intel ME disabled with SPI flasher and Linux. Full freedom baby. 😂💻
i use a dual boot PC with LMDE 6 and win 10. the latter is hardly ever used, so I bought the 'license' for nothing, it just sits there.
People bring the workplace home. We need to see more Linux in the workplace. More tooling to make it easy to manage a lot of Linux machines. Something accessible to Small Businesses and MSP's as well!
In the coming week I'll be wiping win11 from my laptop and going to fedora. I have run Suse linux on previous machines and loved it.
Win11 is ridiculously unstable my machine blue screens atkeast twice a week since the last major update and copilot integration and now ads, hell no I'm done.
I have seen lab equipment running the operator software in chrome browser on the in built Linux computer (Ubuntu OS).
As a WIN 10 and Win11 user the worst thing I hate now is "copilot"
I‘m trying to use Linux as the main driver. One thing that i‘m missing is a good graphics suite or a professional DTP software. Not Adobe! I use the Affinity Suite, which has all the tools i need and is better than Adobe‘s products in some (many) areas.
Affinity has also no plans to make it LInux native, but it runs in wine. Unfortunately without graphics acceleration at the moment, which is bad. My hope is that they might optimize the Windows version together with the Linux community so that it works optimally under Wine in the future. That would at least be something.
I too use Affinity but on my Mac, I have multiple machines. Anyway, Affinity just got bought and no matter how much they howl about never doing the subscription thing, their new parent company is all about it. I'd say based on real world experiences ... this won't last long and it will get a subscription model. I would think around v3.0 this will probably happen. As Matt said, the enshitification is real and it sucks balls. :(
Everybody hates Microsoft, but most people use Windows! 😅
Everybody hates Nvidia, but most people use their video cards! 😅
3:02 the ads being in an OS is atrocious enough but it's also a PAID OS!! PAID!! That piece of s is $130!
Windows continues to get worse while linux continues to get better.
Eventually I hope we can wholeheartedly recommend linux to all our friends and family with little to no draw backs.
But does Linux get any better? I've been following and trying Linux since about 2005. Still the same criticisms. Hardware compatibility. Drivers. Wine.
Linux improved a lot. I've switched in 2006, there was Firefox, no Flash that is web video, web was almost dependent on IE6.
Today we have plenty of browsers, GPU accelerated video in browser, even Microsoft Edge runs on Linux. We have open source GPU drivers by Intel, AMD and NVIDIA (though NVK still does not match closed source driver). Steam runs almost every Windows game I've tried with Proton.
Linux will lag behind on VERY new hardware and very proprietary hardware, it's just inevitable. However, it catches up eventually by making its own drivers for proprietary hardware and the new stuff will have a driver for as well. This can only change if the hardware manufacturers release drivers for their new hardware day 1.