yep.Being a kid I had no idea what manga and comics were, but I always gravitated towards manga because it seemed pretty cut and dry. Start at number one and keep going until the end. American comics, you have to do research about where it starts (usually the first issues are $1000's of bucks thats not even worth entertaining.), getting a guide to how to read the stories etc. too much effort that no modern day young kid is going to do.
What’s funny is that most long lasting marvel and DC properties keep resetting their numberings back to 1 every other year, resulting in characters like Batman having over 50 #1 issues.
Story progression. A majority of mangas have a set beginning, middle, and end with characters having meaningful development throughout the series. Whereas comics, a run might tell a really cool story but the writer who takes over afterwards might completely butcher everything that came before. That’s the problem you run into when you let your comics go on for an endless amount of time.
True you can only reset the status quo so many times before people get bored with it. Which story would you prefer a single Peter Parker trying to pay rent trying to keep girlfriend no 10 why protecting the city that hates you hates you Or Peter Parker from renew your vows were he alongside his wife, daughter are all helping to train Miles
You might not like one writers take on a character but the version of a character you like the most was probably not written by the creator (disclaimer I am not trying to defend the snowflakes and Twitter crybabies I just want people to know this isn’t a black and white issue)
@@Payload82 my only problem is Renew your vows was that's where Spider-Man's direction should have went, instead of it being an alternate. Sadly, we get awful main stories like One More Day happening because Quesada hated Spidey getting older and becoming a teacher. But know...legacy comics and such. Luckily there's SOME stories with conclusions...like All Star Superman and Dark Knight Returns.
@@LowellLucasJr. they might even skin MJ, and cuck Peter. I guess having killing one of his love interest, erasing his marriage and daughter, having him body swapped, having him in a coma, isn't enough huh?
One of the things I like the most about Manga compared to comics is their fights. Manga specifically Shonen knows how to set up a good fight between characters. Baki, Jojo's, and Hunter x Hunters are all prime examples on how to craft a fight between a hero and villain. I've never really got that with comics it's mainly just a lot of talking mixed splash pages and the fight usually only lasts a few pages. Manga at least the ones I mentioned before puts you in the shoes of both the hero and villain to walk you through their thought process on how to outwit or overpower the other. It can get suspenseful to the point where you can't tell who'll actually win sometimes. Its like chess with superpowers and martial arts. that's my opinion though. great vid BTW 👍
The Text during fights in american comics geatly annoy me too. Especially since it's not even important. 90% of the time it's just stupid braging. It makes the characters feel immature and kills the momentum.
I saw a mean that said "hey I was going to read Batman where should I start?" Oh with Batman #1 a few years ago. Not the Batman dark knight, or the volume from 5 or six years ago, or the ----- mini series, or the detective comics series.... "Oh So where do I start reading My Hero Academia?" Volume 1.
Manga has a simple way of letting every writer do whatever they want: by having multiple magazines aimed at different audiences. The fans decide what they want to read, and whatever is read gets hyped; whatever is not being read gets dumped. US comics just shove whatever they want on fans and blame them for not liking it.
1) easy to collect, you want a series then simply start from #1. Barely any confusion. 2) easy to read, to follow a series read from #1 to where it is now, No bullcrap with 1 character have 15 different books or crossing over with another book while being Canon to both series. 3) Cheaper 4) diverse without being obnoxious about it.
With Manga, it's cheaper, more accessable and extremely diverse. Aside from making a story for everyone( whether it be romance, adult, gaming, even owning a pet!) their market is to please the readers as well as tell a story- not alienate them. The market is bigger and, in alot of ways, more encouraging than America as there aren't gatekeeping, and try to seek new talent/ stories.
The only downside if the writer is not well-known, they just got started or the manga is considered not profitable by publisher, the manga series they made may got axed (ended prematurely).
I've always wondered why a lot of people in the MHA fandom always disliked Midorya and would gravitate to someone like Bakugo...now I understand. People in the west aren't used to seeing characters grow and develop anymore. The characters have to be badass right out of the gate. Even if we don't like what the 'creatives' at Marvel or DC put out, it seems a lot of us have still let their products influence what we expect from stories, especially the heroic ones.
@@mugabevictor2012 personally I liked the character even when he first started because he yes acted like a child but to be fair he still wanted to be a hero even when everyone said no which I approve and he pushed himself to get to his dream with the help from his idol allmight which was really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Honestly, most mangakas I've heard of are very hard working and love their fans to pieces. I also appreciate that you put a picture of Rumiko Takahashi in the video, too. She's made a few series since the 70s and she still going! To find someone that dedicated to their craft is astounding
Keep in mind that most DC/Marvel series are perfected by writers who didn’t create them, in recent years however the other edge of the sword has now took a toll.
One Punch Man and Boku no Hero are two comics about heroes that are making sucess on a global level, there is a market for heroes of the 'comic style' but DC and Marvel are not selling for the new generation (me included), bc they forgot how to write heroes...My Hero Academia is inspired by X-Men and all things surrounding comics and the autor don't hide this but play homage to it, Japan is continuing their legacy better than the USA.
Totally agree, when reading One Punch Man I could see all the tropes and clichés of the American comic, there is even a character that is identical to El Chapulin Colorado, the manga is everything that the DC and Marvel comic used to be with a magnificent aesthetic and excellent drawing, imagine this situation, American football is the sport of the United States, no other country practices it, so it is natural that the best teams are North American, now imagine that a team from Japan arrives and beats up the American teams to become Number 1, the other teams go into denial and act like the Japanese team doesn't exist and fight to become Number 2.
@アイルー先輩 The answer is love, great artists love what they do, true artists do what they do because they love to do it, in the United States today's artists are more like mercenaries, they do the work they are paid for.
Characters in Manga especially the Shounen genre are more relateable because they often make use of the "Surpassing your limits" trope. While this may appear somewhat of an asspull in most cases it still manages to pull on your emotions because seeing the hero at the verge of defeat push forward with all they have left and eventually overcome a challenge through sheer determination perfectly embodies how hard work pays off. And while that remains to be a trope it is still a whole lot more satisfying to see someone like Rengoku lose his life fighting with honor than to die a dog's death like Captain America getting decapitated instantly in Age of Ultron.
"Surpassing your limits" is "超えて行け(Go beyond)" in Japanese. This is the Buddha's one and only mantra and the philosophy most cherished by Japanese. It is constantly portrayed in song lyrics and as the theme of stories. Without imitating the philosophy of the Buddhists, I feel that a unique American philosophy is expressed in comics as well.
It helps that they didn’t have to deal with the comics code, a decades spanning social stigma, and were not ruled by three child oriented companies (DC, Marvel, Archie) for decades.
@@rh31n Manga faced more censorship outside its own borders than inside, manga sells the most in Japan, and the Manga censorship in Japan was ultra tame for decades, like you had uncensored nudity and extreme gore in some Shounen titles from the late 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and even early early 90’s, it wasn’t until the mid 90’s where they started to really hit them with more rules, even then the censorship is still nothing too glaring for the most part, like no private parts, no glorification of drugs, no depicting the emperor, no mushroom clouds (unless it’s for historical reasons), no glorification of nuclear weapons, and the violence in Shounen was toned down like 25%.
@@Bolbi145 , the censorship of the private parts even of *fictional* characters is dumb though. Japan would probably make way more money if it got rid of that censorship and if manga was in color.
@@Bolbi145, I know and it's weird and annoying with the inconsistency of the censorship. There some that is a little blur or tiny invisible black bar and others with big mosaics or blank spaces where something should be. I mean is medical stuff censored and what about art. I'm serious, in Japan do they censor nudity of art pieces? Or is it only modern or new stuff. The irony is that in Japan and the East while they care more about censoring the violence they're more loose with sexual stuff (well Japan is). While in the West it's been more on censoring nudity and sexual stuff but we're more ok with violence. But when comes to porn or art America is more loose and Japan is more strict, it's so strange. Wish that everybody would calm down on unnecessary censorship. I mean with Japan they might as well show stuff their AV stuff uncensored. The US has location issues they censor stuff from Japan for dumb reasons.
There are many great Manga-kas that have greatly influenced great writers/ artists I'd recommend to those who may not be familiar with their work: Adam Warren, Katsuhiro Otomo, Masumune Shirow, Kia Asamiya, Kazushi Hagiwara and even Hayao Miyazaki. There many more artists out there I could list( Kentaro Miura) but these have influenced many great works that are timeless.
When people want to start reading anything in manga, they just go to the #1 book. When people want to start reading anything in comics, they don't know what #1 book they should start at because there are like 100+ books with #1 on them.
Back years ago when Batman Begins was about to come out, STARZ did a special on upcoming comicbook movies and in it movie producer Michael Uslan (the Batman movies) brought up even back then that the shelves of Barnes&Noble were filled with manga and predicted that manga would one day overtake american comics like a prophet.
The art style and for me the panels being important they only have like a set number of pages each book to tell the story they want to tell and each panel has to count to me that's one reason I like manga over comic books
Squirrel Girl beating Thanos was a gag in, I believe, Dan Slott's She Hulk. I could be mistaken. It happened off panel, and the point of the joke was how absurd it was, and that you didn't see it on panel, so your mind filled it in. Making it the basis of the character on panel was the mistake.
@@Ash-ep1nz that isn't remotely true. I enjoyed his old Thing and She Hulk runs, and considering what he had to account for in Amazing Spider-Man, there were storyline to enjoy there. Just Superior was the last thing he wrote there that was worthwhile. Also Tom King and Vida Ayala still exist so Slotto doesn't get that crown.
@@DarthBobCat , bringing up the rest of those names made me laugh. I missed OG SG she was a fun character that look hot, the new one isn't, the artwork and design was attrious.
Ganbatte! “Do your best” I'm glad you mentioned that! It is not just an expression (that you would hear countless time in Japan), it revolves around the concept of never giving up no matter how hard the challenges may be. From the daughter or wife to the husband, from the doctor to the patient, from kindergarten to your senior year, it express Japanese philosophy in a sense that likely no other word can. From a website: The term “ganbatte” serves as the conjunctive form of the verb “ganbaru”, which is composed of the characters 頑 (gan) and 張る (haru) that mean “tough/stubborn” and “to be prominent”, respectively. When combined, the two characters make up the concept of working hard or unrelentingly striving to achieve a certain goal.
I was thinking about Superman the other day, How weird it is with comics trying to insert diversity into characters, that DC doesn't say that Superman was raised Jewish by the Kents.
I’m new to Manga this year, I’m 41. It’s simple for me, there is no multiverse! I like superhero’s but this multiverse thing is so confusing and hard to get into and keep interested.
There is a misunderstanding, or ignorance about framework of comics industry of both sides Japan and America. I think Japanese manga (except a few) is not the counterpart of Marvel and DC, and Marvel and DC's Japanese counterparts should be more like Kamen Rider, Sentai, Ultraman, Gundam, Pretty Cure, and other series that the companies such as Toei, Tsuburaya, Sunrise owns the copyrights to. (Sentai has no manga adaptation, but others have.) Their strategy is simillar to Marvel and DC, and is successful as company-owned IP in Japanese domestic market. The counterpart to Japanese manga in the U.S. is not a superhero publisher like Marvel and DC, but should be indie comics where the creator controls every part of his/her work and is able to convey his/her unique works beyond the borders and can hold the copyright. From the point of my view as a Japanese, there is something missing in the comparison between DC, Mabel and Japanese manga.
But this is not about how the ownership works or the business model, but its equivalent position in the market, they are mainstream because they are the mayority (and to a certain extent, they work for the magazines where they are published and they can cancel their work if they want and have editors who tell them what can or cannot do like what happened with Kakegurui's author with his "Isekai Revenge"). Anyway, the point is about the content itself of the comicbook, the art, the agendas, the storytelling, the moral values and how the authors treat the customers and their goals are in Japan compared to the West. For example, Saintia Sho isn't from Kurumada (the original author), it is a spin off from something created by another person before and she was hired to make it, she doesn't behave or put effort into it like if it wasn't her's or the different Pretty Cure anime that are from Toei (a company), japanese companies don't act that way with their brands. Who the owner is doesn't change the main facts that make their comics interesting and how western customers are way more invested in japanese comicbooks than western's.
I think it should be emphasized that Manga/Anime won the choice of casual reading material for Zoomers. Every highschool kid I know has at least one anime/manga that they watch/read and they're not hardcore into it like Millennials used to do.
in manga, successful creators are well rewarded. For example, the writer of gegege no kitaro has a cultural center named after him, a whole street named after him, etc. In america, dc and marvel get their IPs cheap from mistreated and poorly paid writers. It was worse in the golden age when writers and artists were mostly abused poor workers.
Consistent products is the biggest challenge for DC, Marvel and Image. For the physical items of marketing the tankōbon sizes, formatting, ease of discovery on a store shelf or book shelf. Then the internal content of great art work, incredible stories. When the creators are writing/drawing for something that they didn’t create, the respect that they show is refreshing. The other aspect of manga are the numbers of different genres that don’t exist in the big three. It also doesn’t help where in the big three it is all contractors, constant restarts and inconsistent teams working within the particular title doesn’t help.
In Manga you will get a dedicated creative team whose only priority is telling a long form story to the best of their ability on one title. They take complete ownership and give it their all with the intent of spending years of their life devoted to this one story. That type of consistency and dedication is long gone in American mainstream comics.
As a black man, the reason comics fail and manga does well is because manga tells you a story that is character driven to where they have a goal they can achieve despite the world being an unfair place. Comics preach to you on why the world is a horrible place and everything is unfair in life. Manga handles diversity very well in the thought aspect of things. Comics only care about the representation and it’s not a good one.
So true even western kids cartoons lean into this angel which is messed even more so for comady at least give the audience hope and inspire them to believe and have a bit of hope and see the world and beyond not just as a horrible place like HP Lovecraft but with endless possibilities to be protected
I think the closest DC got to Manga like story telling was when they did the New 52 initiative, they did some interesting mix ups, Dick Grayson being a spy, Gordan becoming Batman, The Batgirl run, Gotham Academy.
What I want to see again from Marvel and DC are moments like Superman's deathmatch with Doomsday or Peter Parker's last stand in Ultimate Spider-Man. I feel like their current characters are no longer being pushed beyond their limits like if someone's stronger than this other guy he'd most likely get steamrolled in four pages or less.
Love Aaron Sparrow's attitude toward comics and agree with him. If more creators honored the characters they are writing, we would have so many more good stories to read and enjoy.
This is so fundamental and so true. The creators MUST "honor" their creations! This is absolute bottled lightning you just pointed out in relation to what Aaron Sparrow was saying!
Towards the end, Aaron says that "they have contempt for you. They think you're a joke. " This stuck a nerve. I often come away from a DC comic or show feeling trolled. It's getting tiring and makes me want to leave for good. On a side note, I need to go find some manga that Aaron translated and compare it with the original so I can learn how he did it.
Why is manga successful Because it covers real diversity If Boy love or girl love, slice of life, romance, horror, action, action comedy, sports, fantasy. And if your after spice hentai to cover all sorts of depravity What does manga do better story first and if there’s any agendas or Japanese propaganda that we in the west would not necessarily get does not bash readers in the face.
For me manga offers a different kind of escapism. In american comics the adversary is usually mental trauma, abuse, self destruction etc etc. while in Manga is usually about revenge, adventure, training, friendship etc etc.. (not so modern problems). BASICALLY MANGA IS THE LORD OF THE RINGS while AMERICAN COMICS IS EUPHORIA .
To me it's like the big difference between the general overall quality of original fiction book series, written by an author who has an idea and a passion to tell a fresh story of their own making vs franchise book series (Star Wars for example) that are written by hired writers who have to stay within the established guidelines etc. The original fiction novels are generally better quality (But ofc there are exceptions) and more highly praised. This is pretty much what is touched upon in this video with the difference between comics and manga and I highly agree.
The movie has a good story in there somewhere. A woman told her emotions are bad and she should stop feeling them by an abusive system could have been a great concept if they followed through on it. But I just don’t feel it. Gamora was raised to be a soldier from a young age by an abusive parental figure who pitted her against her sister and you can feel it. She’s also afraid to express her feelings, but she doesn’t just say that she is, she acts like she is. She refuses to acknowledge that she cares about her sister, or cares about her father, or that she’s in love. She is always closed off and repressed emotionally. She’s an actual character. Captain Marvel just sort of says she thinks she’s too emotional but we don’t feel like she’s ever trying to feel less than she does, or react in a less noticeable way. That’s boring. And her winning is boring too for that same reason. When Wonder Woman is stopping a missile it nearly kills her. When captain marvel is stopping a missile she doesn’t even get come close to failing.
Just got the Shonen Jump app and loving it. I caught up on One Punch Man. Started Kaigu No. 8 and I’m hooked. More titles waiting in my Favorites. I discovered a few websites to read older manga that I missed. Baki, Berserk, various Gundam, etc. As for comic books, I’m down to Peter David’s Maestro series (hope he continues with future volumes). My collection is down to 10 short boxes and I sold the rest. I primarily use TH-cam to keep up on the current comic book industry. I’ve gone Full Manga.
Another amazing point of manga is definitely not afraid to even cut characters off to develop character. It definitely shocked me from Naruto, AoT, and etc.
I think manga is great because the creators establish their own characters and stories. You don't have writers assigned to a book who know nothing about the character and just want to force their story in. Also, a bad book just doesn't last long and a creator lives and dies by the success or failure of their books. There are no excuses! Writers like vita ayala, leah williams, tim sheridan, etc wouldn't last 2 weeks in manga.
Aaron Sparrow had some very useful observations based off his experience and evident knowledge of writing with respect to Manga and Comics (US). This was a very high quality conversation on the topic. In essence: 1. Authentic subject matter diversity of multiples of interest-directed material thus including many many people while differentiating more and more (!) 2. General story mechanics still being worked seriously: Narrative Arc (3 main stages) and equally Heroic or Character Growth component as major arc necessary to include. Equally the necessity of authentic adversity eg enemies with actual teeth/claws/bite to them. 3. Deeper themes inspiring the above from the actual culture telling these tales: "Keep Trying Your Best!" Looking at a working-functioning version of the above, is in contrast to the corrupted, dysfunctional version often found in US Comics: It's probably the case that the stories were already failing in some aspect thus making them all the more susceptible to even worse usage: Propaganda and identity or woke politics ie medium as vehicle for coercive activism seeding of culture. A very serious and very negative outcome for a culture to be perverted in such a way (in any form of art).
Using the example of Ms. Marvel, they should do more of the stuff they did when she was paired with Spider-Man. That was some decently good stuff. Even when they elected to do the power swap I feel that they pulled it off. However, in most cases you guys are correct. Character development is a think of the past. Just gotta cut to the chase so that we have more time to force the particular agenda of the day. I miss the slow burn of good character growth.
Aron's commentary on manga I feel leaves a few things out. Unlike American comics manga writers have to preform, meaning poorly executed timing in the story could hurt a lot more than a failed four part run of superman. Especially as many times they also have to draw said story which can be stressful. I also agree that the lack of trying to create original characters and the lure of the Hollywood money has weakened writers. There is one thing I would like to bring up about manga. There are is a niche in manga where the characters are near perfect but still are entertaining for the reader. Granted almost all of these have an anime that came first.
Yeah, Manga seems to be doing everything right compared to American comics. I really wish that American Comics would learn and adapt the best things from Manga.
Nominal continuity is a bitch. It *can* work great if all of your writers buy into it, or if you have a strongman on top managing their writers into a singular, cohesive creative vision (like Kevin Feige managed to do for the MCU). That drive and passion is clearly gone, though, and when you do it WRONG, it’s infinitely worse than just not doing it at all and making everything its own standalone story.
Go get 'em, Wes. I think it comes down to a couple of issues. First one is the price, which is too high for the quantity of story. I find that I horde comics and don't read them because I get more value for the $4 or more I spent on the comic dreaming about how much I'll like it. Once I've read it in about 30 minutes, the dream is over and I'm not on the hook for another $4+ to keep it going. The other issue boils down to the idea that a lot of the leadership and creatives hate, or are at least ambivalent, about their primary audience of heterosexual white males.
2:23 this. the japanese do indeed understand heroic fiction, to which i will give an example from the demon slayer movie: that scene in the last act (SPOILER)... . . . where the flame bro, Rengoku died, and our boy tanjiro was on his knees, absolutely frustrated and distraught to high heavens to a point that he was actly crying. "No matter how much I train or overcome an obstacle, theres always another impassable wall infront of me..." Dude, that line hit hard. And this was the Main Character of the show, and somebody he respected died. The villain - in this arc atleast - actly won. But this arc was crucial. Coz no hero can ever be made without suffering a major loss. Tanjiro already lost his family, his sister is a demon, and now a powerful hashira got killed right infront of him. And the next line by Inosuke (peppa pig on speed) was also important "He (Rengoku) said he believed in you (before Rengoku died), so you better think of how your gonna live up to that!" oof. that push from a friend to not give up, even when ur at ur lowest. Good stuff. Of course, as a sidenote: manga do have their nonsensical overpowered characters, characters so overpowerful they basically render their allies useless and make the whole conflict in the plot pretty much irrelevant. But heres the thing: manga/anime will usually make sure their audience understand that from the get-go, even if u dont read the synopsis. they want to make it clear that this is "this type of show" and its made for a certain group of audience. it wont work with everyone and thats ok, coz there are other genres thatll tickle ur fancy.
110% Agreed! One Piece, Beserk, Golden Kumay, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan, and the list goes on!!! I want to start Jujutsu Kaisen too. Anyone know of a good Manga/Anime that is gun action based? Gangster, spy, whichever?
Some awesome key points made here in this video! Thank you! Completely agree about how diverse manga is compared to America! No not woke, but how expansive its genres can be for everyone!
Another extra (wich tangle with other points) how the big 2 mostly are tied to a shared universe, world's can't be that unique when all the stories take place in the same world with the same rules. You don't see Shonen jump forcing all mangas to take place in Dragon ball planet, and having to fit in
Read (or watch the anime) Black Lagoon by Rei Hiroe, and you'll understand why manga is currently shitting on the maggot filled rainbow flag wearing corpse that is (or what is masquerading as) American comics. I was lucky enough to live next door to a Japanese family who ran a Chinese restaurant (it was the 70s, and cultural appropriation didn't exist) when I was a kid, and read all sorts of shit that Mako-San had sent over from the homeland (we bonded through comics, and he would translate the mangas for me, bless him), and the Japanese had (and still have) an honesty that is sorely lacking here in the West. I've been fortunate enough that for as long as I can remember, half of the comics I've read have been Japanese, and TokyoPop DESERVES to be a bigger company than Marvel and DC combined. Trust me, you aren't gonna be labelled a traitor if you switch from the shitfest that is Western comics and review the odd manga from time to time.... 👍 🍄
The older master-class mangakas with a dramatic art style so-called GEKIGA are probably influenced by old days American superhero comics. Hayao Miyazaki also began to make animations modeled after Disney.The pilot animation "Daikon" produced by Eva's director Anno and the founding members of Gainax is filled with love for American subcultures such as Star Wars and Super Heroes. It all starts in America. What was good for the manga anime industry in the early days of Japan was that there was a good example of America to aim for. I hope American creators to focus on what is interesting, engaging, memorable, and depicting the present, and create great American entertainment. I'm not a fan of American comics and I don't know much about them. However, in the last 10 years or so, I feel that the entertainment industry , including Hollywood, has suddenly become obsolete and stuck in a rut. I think Japanese anime and manga are not necessarily the best. There are also some bad places in terms of industry. However, the opinions of manga fans are fed back to the writers through the publisher. Manga genres and types of readers/fan are subdivided. This makes the manga art style more diverse. I think that the unique environment and creative efforts are what support the popularity of manga. Personally, I think that the large number of mangaka and just right competition are a major factor of what good is manga, whether amateur/professional, doujin (derivative works)/ordinary publications. The environment becomes the cradle of mutational and critical works such as Eva, AOT, and Made in abyss......that inspire mangakas and create new works. Sorry for my shitty English. Thanks a lot.（＾ω＾）
My thing with comics vs manga even back in the day is…. for starters comics just felt all over the place. Like you read the first “the amazing spiderman”, then you read the next spiderman comic and it doesn’t pick up on the last one it tells a whole new story almost as if it resets but it doesn’t actually reset cuz (for some of em) they don’t redo the origin of spiderman. Then they all say “spiderman” as if they do pick up after the other. Vs manga where it’s very direct and simple. Then with comics I feel like then and now their movie iterations just do their own thing and don’t follow the comics to the tee, to every minuscule possible detail in the way manga & and anime do. Like Tobey’s spiderman not having web shooters….if a manga did that everyone would go ballistic. Or how Tobey’s suit isn’t 100% accurate it’s its own thing, anime don’t usually do that with their manga. And then, I feel like even with the changes (back in the day) the movies was better than the comics anyway. I don’t feel like for that manga/anime.
Then he hit the nail on the head with the story and development point. Even the old comics I feel like in terms of story wasn’t even close to manga. Manga storylines just be more thought out and more complex and fleshed out than comics storylines. Especially for the first spiderman comic (I keep using that one as my example cuz that’s my favorite superhero) but when I first read the spiderman comics I was like “dude I could’ve wrote this” and my specialty in school was math not literature🤣. Then you got manga storyline like Naruto back in the day….top tier, AOT, TOP TIER, dragon ball was cool but the story alone wasn’t like mind bending brain farting crazy it was more so hype crazy
I always saw the story structure of manga being the biggest winner to me. This never ending battle getting the same characters and getting different writers hurts it. It starts to feel stale and inconsistent, however that beginning middle end that manga have is great. Knowing that the story is going to come to an end is always interesting. I love comic books mainly superhero ones buy even I feel as though the formula could use a little bit of a breath of fresh air. In my opinion we should adapt that a bit into our American comics. Like okay maybe we don’t have to have it he one of those things where the character does or we have the story end and no more of that character but more times move on. Like Bruce can’t have been doing this as long as he has been written to. So instead you write the bat mantle continuing to be passed down going through the different generations and ideals. Giving us more views on what justice is and despite the hardships and trials the constant is the ideal of batman.
It’s much easier to get into manga compared to comics, and it also helps that they are marketed much better, I would love if comics could adapt some of the methods that manga does.
That's thought to narrowly. Comic books only really sell well in the US. Mangas aren't just very popular in Japan but around the globe. I know tons of people around the world who own Mangas or have read them before. But I don't know anyone outside the US who really care about comics. Not sure what sells better in the US specifically but Mangas easily beat comics internationally.
As a French guy, i bought imported comics during 20 years, the scenarios never changed, it was always the same story, it became boring ( exception of John Byrne's NEXT MEN ) Then AKIRA appeared, then i had to learn to read japanese imported mangas and since 20 years... I never bought a comic... Never Now i read mangas about wine ( les gouttes de dieu ) romance ( quintessential quintuplets ), gag manga ( dr SLUMP) + berserk, one piece, Blue Lock, Vinland Saga etc.....
There is one distinct difference, manga authors and/or artists are the creators, and they almost always stay on till the last chapter. Get sick, manga goes on hiatus. If they die, manga is stopped, unlike in the US where the writers and artists are changed every arc, and the story has no ending if the hero is popular.
Manga: Andy born or appeared > Andy trained > Andy work > Andy dies Comic: Andy born or appeared > Andy work > Andy dies > Andy reborn > Andy trained > wait, Who is Mandy? > anyway > Mandy trained > Mandy work with Andy and Sandy > Mandy, Andy, Sandy died > dark twisted Zombandy born > lesbian She-Andy appeared > Zombandy dies > Candy, the modern and sassy She-andy born or appeared > Repeat for at the very least 3 times or until unprofitable.
I actually think passing the torch onto a new generation is a good idea and has potential to work...but not if it's just for work bullshit reasons. These characters need a good story if they're going to take over a major heroes mantle. How many times are we gonna see Batman fight the joker? But for example Terry fighting the joker gang was a great way to change things up. Or just make new heroes like with Isom. That's a good way to do it too
Manga is also diverse in the demographics it sells to Shonen: Manga targeted at teen boys, stories like My Hero Academia, One Piece Shojo: Manga targeted at teen girls. Sailor Moon, Ouran High School Host Club Seinen: Manga targeted at adult men (18+). Berserk, Vagabond Josei: Manga targeted at adult women (18+). Love Is Hard for Otaku Kodomomuke: Manga targeted at young children. Doraemon It doesn't matter the genre, different stories can and could be enjoyed by every age. Which is maybe why you got that spark of "developing" and "do your best" from My Hero Academia. Even though it's targeted toward a younger demographic the author puts care into treating the audience with respect to these themes. Not every story will stick but the encouragement of manga to try different stories and find WHAT YOU LIKE is I think really separates Manga from an oversaturated market in comics.
I'm originally a Manga Reader and mostly like anime is story development that is stronger some stories of comic are good and then came new writer than reset everything and you are completely lost while Naruto you know where it starts at ends same with Jujutsu Kaizen or whatever of the one's are selling.
It’s kinda crazy but I just had a similar experience to Sparrow. Had a friend badger me into watching My Hero and I wasn’t a fan of the main character until a certain scene/event and now I’m really digging it. I talk to my shop owner about starting to read it and he let me know there’s a collection coming out with the first 40 volumes. So I’m excitedly waiting for that.
This is exactly the problem with today's American comics. Today's young writers attempting to write their own stories into legacy characters, far too often with a woke influence. What he said about working on Darkwing Duck nailed it. What Darkwing Duck stories could he tell rather than how could he use Darkwing Duck to tell his own stories? There is no respect for histories, styles, genres, you name it, with today's narcissistic , immature, inexperienced, and frankly unintelligent writers who only see comics as a platform for their message and narrative. It's what happens when the big comic publishers hire writers based on their blue check marks rather than hiring base on talent and a passion for writing comics.
You know comics are bad when I a person who has hated Manga for years fine my self supporting them. Also I want to thank Wes for recommending chainsaw man a few months back picked up the first 5 volumes
Another problem with comics is that issues go out of print a month after they get released. Manga however, they print manga and stay on the shelves forever. So it is easier for people to get into
There is this idea of comics and animation in America it’s for kids. Especially the older generation and maybe it has a lot to do with genre. There are animated movies in Japan that are slice of life and the people look at it like a real story, real art not something for kids. Obviously Not everyone feels this way but the masses I’d argue. in America we take animated movies and make them live action for what? I know this is about manga and comics but it all relates. Manga is obviously proving it doesn’t have to be one genre. You see image comics and dark horse selling really well and those books do all kinds of genres. Even the superhero comics with in image do character so much better. Invincible started with mark being a naive kid and ends with mark as an experienced adult. Different genres, Character growth and a story with a beginning middle and end is the reason why manga is doing better.
to me, American comics are soulless, preachy, cringy, the actions and panels are stale, stiff, and lack of expression, focus more on aesthetic and the story are boring af while manga is vibrant, original, alive, emotionally heavy and you can feel the movement and pace from their panel and visual style, their style of showing the emotion through visuals are godly impactful. the characters are memorable. dont let me start on character developments... its off the charts
Manga is very clear and not as fragmented as comics. A title comes out, and you know exactly where it begins and where it ends. Even if there are spin-offs and side stories, those are all their own stories and are usually clearly marked. Mangas also usually just have one writer who came up with the story or just a handful at best working on all the stories. There are also always new titles coming out. In comics, you have a million and one stories often running at the same time. You don't know where a story begins, in which comic it continues, and there are often multiple versions and stories of the same character going on. You also have a bunch of writers that come in one after another, often with contradicting visions of where a story should go, which often does not end well and alienates the fanbase. Not to mention the constant reboots that make things even more convoluted.
You have a point where manga creators feel like the character is almost a piece of them. I know the reason that, thankfully, sailor moon will never get an American remake is because Naoko Takeuchi (the creator of the series) based Usagi off of herself and she doesn't want to see people defile her, or the meaning of the story. Femininity is an extremely important aspect of Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon's dream was to marry Tuxedo Mask, become a housewife and a mother and you and I both know that Americans will not be able to do the feminine aspects of Sailor Moon any justice, especially nowadays) She got very upset with the 90s dub and the series was never allowed to be resold in America until the 10's when the Viz dub that she was heavily involved in came out. (even to this day, being an American sailor moon fan is extremely hard because of how much restrictions she puts on the licenses outside of Japan...) Manga creators mostly keep their creations close to their hearts if they can. American comics don't seem to care at all about what happens to their characters or how they're portrayed in media..
Why Manga's beating Comics? Simple, Manga starts at Chapter 1.
And comic book characters have to start their origin all over again
yep.Being a kid I had no idea what manga and comics were, but I always gravitated towards manga because it seemed pretty cut and dry. Start at number one and keep going until the end. American comics, you have to do research about where it starts (usually the first issues are $1000's of bucks thats not even worth entertaining.), getting a guide to how to read the stories etc. too much effort that no modern day young kid is going to do.
It’s the same thing with comics… You either do a simple search to see where a story starts OR you just buy a book which has all the issues.
What’s funny is that most long lasting marvel and DC properties keep resetting their numberings back to 1 every other year, resulting in characters like Batman having over 50 #1 issues.
@@flashrebirth3150 Pffffffff Manga doesn't need research just go to chapter 1.
Typical Comic Book fan moment.
Story progression. A majority of mangas have a set beginning, middle, and end with characters having meaningful development throughout the series. Whereas comics, a run might tell a really cool story but the writer who takes over afterwards might completely butcher everything that came before. That’s the problem you run into when you let your comics go on for an endless amount of time.
True you can only reset the status quo so many times before people get bored with it.
Which story would you prefer a single Peter Parker trying to pay rent trying to keep girlfriend no 10 why protecting the city that hates you hates you
Or Peter Parker from renew your vows were he alongside his wife, daughter are all helping to train Miles
You might not like one writers take on a character but the version of a character you like the most was probably not written by the creator (disclaimer I am not trying to defend the snowflakes and Twitter crybabies I just want people to know this isn’t a black and white issue)
@@Payload82 my only problem is Renew your vows was that's where Spider-Man's direction should have went, instead of it being an alternate. Sadly, we get awful main stories like One More Day happening because Quesada hated Spidey getting older and becoming a teacher. But know...legacy comics and such. Luckily there's SOME stories with conclusions...like All Star Superman and Dark Knight Returns.
@@LowellLucasJr. they might even skin MJ, and cuck Peter. I guess having killing one of his love interest, erasing his marriage and daughter, having him body swapped, having him in a coma, isn't enough huh?
That's I wish Marvel and DC had a linear progression and consistent story
One of the things I like the most about Manga compared to comics is their fights. Manga specifically Shonen knows how to set up a good fight between characters. Baki, Jojo's, and Hunter x Hunters are all prime examples on how to craft a fight between a hero and villain. I've never really got that with comics it's mainly just a lot of talking mixed splash pages and the fight usually only lasts a few pages. Manga at least the ones I mentioned before puts you in the shoes of both the hero and villain to walk you through their thought process on how to outwit or overpower the other. It can get suspenseful to the point where you can't tell who'll actually win sometimes. Its like chess with superpowers and martial arts. that's my opinion though. great vid BTW 👍
The Text during fights in american comics geatly annoy me too. Especially since it's not even important. 90% of the time it's just stupid braging. It makes the characters feel immature and kills the momentum.
Right on.
I saw a mean that said "hey I was going to read Batman where should I start?" Oh with Batman #1 a few years ago. Not the Batman dark knight, or the volume from 5 or six years ago, or the ----- mini series, or the detective comics series.... "Oh So where do I start reading My Hero Academia?" Volume 1.
Manga has a simple way of letting every writer do whatever they want: by having multiple magazines aimed at different audiences. The fans decide what they want to read, and whatever is read gets hyped; whatever is not being read gets dumped. US comics just shove whatever they want on fans and blame them for not liking it.
1) easy to collect, you want a series then simply start from #1. Barely any confusion.
2) easy to read, to follow a series read from #1 to where it is now, No bullcrap with 1 character have 15 different books or crossing over with another book while being Canon to both series.
3) Cheaper
4) diverse without being obnoxious about it.
Yuri on ice sold more than most gay American comics ever will.
That and it can be about literally ANYTHING where American comics are just superheroes and nothing else
With Manga, it's cheaper, more accessable and extremely diverse. Aside from making a story for everyone( whether it be romance, adult, gaming, even owning a pet!) their market is to please the readers as well as tell a story- not alienate them. The market is bigger and, in alot of ways, more encouraging than America as there aren't gatekeeping, and try to seek new talent/ stories.
They even allow foreigners to come over and make Manga! Radiant was created by a French guy.
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The only downside if the writer is not well-known, they just got started or the manga is considered not profitable by publisher, the manga series they made may got axed (ended prematurely).
@@ainzer2903 Depends on the publisher but ultimately your absolutely right!
That only applies to superhero stuff
I've always wondered why a lot of people in the MHA fandom always disliked Midorya and would gravitate to someone like Bakugo...now I understand. People in the west aren't used to seeing characters grow and develop anymore. The characters have to be badass right out of the gate. Even if we don't like what the 'creatives' at Marvel or DC put out, it seems a lot of us have still let their products influence what we expect from stories, especially the heroic ones.
Personally I like izuku midoroa he’s really awesome and badass.
I also hated midorya until he started using his fingers for every punch. Glorious concept.
@@mugabevictor2012 personally I liked the character even when he first started because he yes acted like a child but to be fair he still wanted to be a hero even when everyone said no which I approve and he pushed himself to get to his dream with the help from his idol allmight which was really awesome and badass in my opinion.
Really? Bakugo has gotten more development than Midoriya.
@@DragonLandlord i personally thing both of them got great development with each other
Honestly, most mangakas I've heard of are very hard working and love their fans to pieces. I also appreciate that you put a picture of Rumiko Takahashi in the video, too. She's made a few series since the 70s and she still going! To find someone that dedicated to their craft is astounding
What helps manga is that Mangakas remember what the word,Consistency and subtlety is when it comes to writing.
Keep in mind that most DC/Marvel series are perfected by writers who didn’t create them, in recent years however the other edge of the sword has now took a toll.
DC and Marvel characters are a brand,mangas tells true histories about growt and true character development.
That only applies to superhero comics
Not every mangaka does that. You might have read the good ones only
One Punch Man and Boku no Hero are two comics about heroes that are making sucess on a global level, there is a market for heroes of the 'comic style' but DC and Marvel are not selling for the new generation (me included), bc they forgot how to write heroes...My Hero Academia is inspired by X-Men and all things surrounding comics and the autor don't hide this but play homage to it, Japan is continuing their legacy better than the USA.
Totally agree, when reading One Punch Man I could see all the tropes and clichés of the American comic, there is even a character that is identical to El Chapulin Colorado, the manga is everything that the DC and Marvel comic used to be with a magnificent aesthetic and excellent drawing, imagine this situation, American football is the sport of the United States, no other country practices it, so it is natural that the best teams are North American, now imagine that a team from Japan arrives and beats up the American teams to become Number 1, the other teams go into denial and act like the Japanese team doesn't exist and fight to become Number 2.
@アイルー先輩 The answer is love, great artists love what they do, true artists do what they do because they love to do it, in the United States today's artists are more like mercenaries, they do the work they are paid for.
The diversity of themes in manga is amazing, I can think of 3 based on cooking from memory lol
Characters in Manga especially the Shounen genre are more relateable because they often make use of the "Surpassing your limits" trope. While this may appear somewhat of an asspull in most cases it still manages to pull on your emotions because seeing the hero at the verge of defeat push forward with all they have left and eventually overcome a challenge through sheer determination perfectly embodies how hard work pays off. And while that remains to be a trope it is still a whole lot more satisfying to see someone like Rengoku lose his life fighting with honor than to die a dog's death like Captain America getting decapitated instantly in Age of Ultron.
I cried when that man died in the movie, even on the anime recap version.
"Surpassing your limits" is "超えて行け(Go beyond)" in Japanese. This is the Buddha's one and only mantra and the philosophy most cherished by Japanese. It is constantly portrayed in song lyrics and as the theme of stories. Without imitating the philosophy of the Buddhists, I feel that a unique American philosophy is expressed in comics as well.
Manga and Anime has placed characters, growth, flaws etc. first and representation and diversity etc.
Rumiko Takahashi, the GOAT.
It helps that they didn’t have to deal with the comics code, a decades spanning social stigma, and were not ruled by three child oriented companies (DC, Marvel, Archie) for decades.
@@rh31n Manga faced more censorship outside its own borders than inside, manga sells the most in Japan, and the Manga censorship in Japan was ultra tame for decades, like you had uncensored nudity and extreme gore in some Shounen titles from the late 60’s, 70’s, 80’s, and even early early 90’s, it wasn’t until the mid 90’s where they started to really hit them with more rules, even then the censorship is still nothing too glaring for the most part, like no private parts, no glorification of drugs, no depicting the emperor, no mushroom clouds (unless it’s for historical reasons), no glorification of nuclear weapons, and the violence in Shounen was toned down like 25%.
@warwik Xio it’s like comparing Family Guy Censorship to Spider-Man the animated series censorship (they couldn’t even say the word “die”)
@@Bolbi145 , the censorship of the private parts even of *fictional* characters is dumb though. Japan would probably make way more money if it got rid of that censorship and if manga was in color.
@@RollingDodge they used to be ok with nudity but then in the 90’s they clamped down on it.
@@Bolbi145, I know and it's weird and annoying with the inconsistency of the censorship. There some that is a little blur or tiny invisible black bar and others with big mosaics or blank spaces where something should be. I mean is medical stuff censored and what about art. I'm serious, in Japan do they censor nudity of art pieces? Or is it only modern or new stuff. The irony is that in Japan and the East while they care more about censoring the violence they're more loose with sexual stuff (well Japan is). While in the West it's been more on censoring nudity and sexual stuff but we're more ok with violence. But when comes to porn or art America is more loose and Japan is more strict, it's so strange. Wish that everybody would calm down on unnecessary censorship. I mean with Japan they might as well show stuff their AV stuff uncensored. The US has location issues they censor stuff from Japan for dumb reasons.
My son is into comedic manga. There are not really comic books that fit his interest....
There are many great Manga-kas that have greatly influenced great writers/ artists I'd recommend to those who may not be familiar with their work: Adam Warren, Katsuhiro Otomo, Masumune Shirow, Kia Asamiya, Kazushi Hagiwara and even Hayao Miyazaki. There many more artists out there I could list( Kentaro Miura) but these have influenced many great works that are timeless.
It's been a year since Miura died. May he continue to rest in piece.
Miura passing let me depressed even in nowadays.
When people want to start reading anything in manga, they just go to the #1 book.
When people want to start reading anything in comics, they don't know what #1 book they should start at because there are like 100+ books with #1 on them.
Back years ago when Batman Begins was about to come out, STARZ did a special on upcoming comicbook movies and in it movie producer Michael Uslan (the Batman movies) brought up even back then that the shelves of Barnes&Noble were filled with manga and predicted that manga would one day overtake american comics like a prophet.
Reading america comic is like reading a novel with graphic illustrations added to it while reading manga is like watching an anime movie on paper
American stories I think can challenge manga is "Walking Dead", "Invincible" and "Game of Thrones"(not the TV version).
Really?
REALLY??????
story telling without bothering with "the message"
The art style and for me the panels being important they only have like a set number of pages each book to tell the story they want to tell and each panel has to count to me that's one reason I like manga over comic books
Story progression & Respecting characters. That’s just my opinion.
let not forget manga rare reboot their character and the author own the right to their character
Squirrel Girl beating Thanos was a gag in, I believe, Dan Slott's She Hulk. I could be mistaken. It happened off panel, and the point of the joke was how absurd it was, and that you didn't see it on panel, so your mind filled it in. Making it the basis of the character on panel was the mistake.
DAN SLOTT IS THE WORST WRITER IN MODERN COMICS
@@Ash-ep1nz that isn't remotely true. I enjoyed his old Thing and She Hulk runs, and considering what he had to account for in Amazing Spider-Man, there were storyline to enjoy there. Just Superior was the last thing he wrote there that was worthwhile.
Also Tom King and Vida Ayala still exist so Slotto doesn't get that crown.
@@DarthBobCat , bringing up the rest of those names made me laugh. I missed OG SG she was a fun character that look hot, the new one isn't, the artwork and design was attrious.
Jason Aaron,Bendis and Tom King are very worst than Slott.
Ganbatte! “Do your best” I'm glad you mentioned that! It is not just an expression (that you would hear countless time in Japan), it revolves around the concept of never giving up no matter how hard the challenges may be. From the daughter or wife to the husband, from the doctor to the patient, from kindergarten to your senior year, it express Japanese philosophy in a sense that likely no other word can. From a website: The term “ganbatte” serves as the conjunctive form of the verb “ganbaru”, which is composed of the characters 頑 (gan) and 張る (haru) that mean “tough/stubborn” and “to be prominent”, respectively. When combined, the two characters make up the concept of working hard or unrelentingly striving to achieve a certain goal.
Totally agree with Aaron. Thank goodness someone still remembers what good storytelling is and how the characters should be.
I was thinking about Superman the other day, How weird it is with comics trying to insert diversity into characters, that DC doesn't say that Superman was raised Jewish by the Kents.
I’m new to Manga this year, I’m 41. It’s simple for me, there is no multiverse! I like superhero’s but this multiverse thing is so confusing and hard to get into and keep interested.
There is a misunderstanding, or ignorance about framework of comics industry of both sides Japan and America. I think Japanese manga (except a few) is not the counterpart of Marvel and DC, and Marvel and DC's Japanese counterparts should be more like Kamen Rider, Sentai, Ultraman, Gundam, Pretty Cure, and other series that the companies such as Toei, Tsuburaya, Sunrise owns the copyrights to. (Sentai has no manga adaptation, but others have.) Their strategy is simillar to Marvel and DC, and is successful as company-owned IP in Japanese domestic market.
The counterpart to Japanese manga in the U.S. is not a superhero publisher like Marvel and DC, but should be indie comics where the creator controls every part of his/her work and is able to convey his/her unique works beyond the borders and can hold the copyright.
From the point of my view as a Japanese, there is something missing in the comparison between DC, Mabel and Japanese manga.
But this is not about how the ownership works or the business model, but its equivalent position in the market, they are mainstream because they are the mayority (and to a certain extent, they work for the magazines where they are published and they can cancel their work if they want and have editors who tell them what can or cannot do like what happened with Kakegurui's author with his "Isekai Revenge"). Anyway, the point is about the content itself of the comicbook, the art, the agendas, the storytelling, the moral values and how the authors treat the customers and their goals are in Japan compared to the West.
For example, Saintia Sho isn't from Kurumada (the original author), it is a spin off from something created by another person before and she was hired to make it, she doesn't behave or put effort into it like if it wasn't her's or the different Pretty Cure anime that are from Toei (a company), japanese companies don't act that way with their brands. Who the owner is doesn't change the main facts that make their comics interesting and how western customers are way more invested in japanese comicbooks than western's.
I'm loving Chow Down Champs a manga about competitive eating.
I think it should be emphasized that Manga/Anime won the choice of casual reading material for Zoomers. Every highschool kid I know has at least one anime/manga that they watch/read and they're not hardcore into it like Millennials used to do.
in manga, successful creators are well rewarded. For example, the writer of gegege no kitaro has a cultural center named after him, a whole street named after him, etc. In america, dc and marvel get their IPs cheap from mistreated and poorly paid writers. It was worse in the golden age when writers and artists were mostly abused poor workers.
You guys did a great job highlighting the differences between eastern vs western storytelling. Keep up the great work.
Consistent products is the biggest challenge for DC, Marvel and Image. For the physical items of marketing the tankōbon sizes, formatting, ease of discovery on a store shelf or book shelf. Then the internal content of great art work, incredible stories. When the creators are writing/drawing for something that they didn’t create, the respect that they show is refreshing. The other aspect of manga are the numbers of different genres that don’t exist in the big three. It also doesn’t help where in the big three it is all contractors, constant restarts and inconsistent teams working within the particular title doesn’t help.
Great video guys! I would love to talk with Aaron and to get his opinion on the controversy brewing around English translations in manga/anime
In Manga you will get a dedicated creative team whose only priority is telling a long form story to the best of their ability on one title. They take complete ownership and give it their all with the intent of spending years of their life devoted to this one story. That type of consistency and dedication is long gone in American mainstream comics.
As a black man, the reason comics fail and manga does well is because manga tells you a story that is character driven to where they have a goal they can achieve despite the world being an unfair place. Comics preach to you on why the world is a horrible place and everything is unfair in life. Manga handles diversity very well in the thought aspect of things. Comics only care about the representation and it’s not a good one.
True which I why when I make my comic company I’m following the path of manga
So true even western kids cartoons lean into this angel which is messed even more so for comady at least give the audience hope and inspire them to believe and have a bit of hope and see the world and beyond not just as a horrible place like HP Lovecraft but with endless possibilities to be protected
I think the closest DC got to Manga like story telling was when they did the New 52 initiative, they did some interesting mix ups, Dick Grayson being a spy, Gordan becoming Batman, The Batgirl run, Gotham Academy.
What I want to see again from Marvel and DC are moments like Superman's deathmatch with Doomsday or Peter Parker's last stand in Ultimate Spider-Man. I feel like their current characters are no longer being pushed beyond their limits like if someone's stronger than this other guy he'd most likely get steamrolled in four pages or less.
Love Aaron Sparrow's attitude toward comics and agree with him. If more creators honored the characters they are writing, we would have so many more good stories to read and enjoy.
This is so fundamental and so true. The creators MUST "honor" their creations! This is absolute bottled lightning you just pointed out in relation to what Aaron Sparrow was saying!
Towards the end, Aaron says that "they have contempt for you. They think you're a joke. " This stuck a nerve. I often come away from a DC comic or show feeling trolled. It's getting tiring and makes me want to leave for good. On a side note, I need to go find some manga that Aaron translated and compare it with the original so I can learn how he did it.
The biggest one he did was Devil May Cry 3
Why is manga successful
Because it covers real diversity If Boy love or girl love, slice of life, romance, horror, action, action comedy, sports, fantasy.
And if your after spice hentai to cover all sorts of depravity
What does manga do better story first and if there’s any agendas or Japanese propaganda that we in the west would not necessarily get does not bash readers in the face.
For me manga offers a different kind of escapism. In american comics the adversary is usually mental trauma, abuse, self destruction etc etc. while in Manga is usually about revenge, adventure, training, friendship etc etc.. (not so modern problems). BASICALLY MANGA IS THE LORD OF THE RINGS while AMERICAN COMICS IS EUPHORIA .
Great point
To me it's like the big difference between the general overall quality of original fiction book series, written by an author who has an idea and a passion to tell a fresh story of their own making vs franchise book series (Star Wars for example) that are written by hired writers who have to stay within the established guidelines etc. The original fiction novels are generally better quality (But ofc there are exceptions) and more highly praised. This is pretty much what is touched upon in this video with the difference between comics and manga and I highly agree.
The sad thing is, Ms. Marvel is the one of the characters that has some real potential, but they've never quite known what to do
The movie has a good story in there somewhere. A woman told her emotions are bad and she should stop feeling them by an abusive system could have been a great concept if they followed through on it. But I just don’t feel it.
Gamora was raised to be a soldier from a young age by an abusive parental figure who pitted her against her sister and you can feel it. She’s also afraid to express her feelings, but she doesn’t just say that she is, she acts like she is.
She refuses to acknowledge that she cares about her sister, or cares about her father, or that she’s in love. She is always closed off and repressed emotionally. She’s an actual character.
Captain Marvel just sort of says she thinks she’s too emotional but we don’t feel like she’s ever trying to feel less than she does, or react in a less noticeable way.
That’s boring. And her winning is boring too for that same reason. When Wonder Woman is stopping a missile it nearly kills her. When captain marvel is stopping a missile she doesn’t even get come close to failing.
As other have said, Manga tends to focus on storytelling and character development. Plus they ofter a lot of variety within the genre.
Great video as always 🔥🔥🔥
Just got the Shonen Jump app and loving it. I caught up on One Punch Man. Started Kaigu No. 8 and I’m hooked. More titles waiting in my Favorites.
I discovered a few websites to read older manga that I missed. Baki, Berserk, various Gundam, etc.
As for comic books, I’m down to Peter David’s Maestro series (hope he continues with future volumes). My collection is down to 10 short boxes and I sold the rest.
I primarily use TH-cam to keep up on the current comic book industry.
I’ve gone Full Manga.
Another amazing point of manga is definitely not afraid to even cut characters off to develop character. It definitely shocked me from Naruto, AoT, and etc.
Even One Piece which is known for not killing off characters.
I think manga is great because the creators establish their own characters and stories. You don't have writers assigned to a book who know nothing about the character and just want to force their story in.
Also, a bad book just doesn't last long and a creator lives and dies by the success or failure of their books. There are no excuses! Writers like vita ayala, leah williams, tim sheridan, etc wouldn't last 2 weeks in manga.
Aaron Sparrow had some very useful observations based off his experience and evident knowledge of writing with respect to Manga and Comics (US). This was a very high quality conversation on the topic.
In essence:
1. Authentic subject matter diversity of multiples of interest-directed material thus including many many people while differentiating more and more (!)
2. General story mechanics still being worked seriously: Narrative Arc (3 main stages) and equally Heroic or Character Growth component as major arc necessary to include. Equally the necessity of authentic adversity eg enemies with actual teeth/claws/bite to them.
3. Deeper themes inspiring the above from the actual culture telling these tales: "Keep Trying Your Best!"
Looking at a working-functioning version of the above, is in contrast to the corrupted, dysfunctional version often found in US Comics: It's probably the case that the stories were already failing in some aspect thus making them all the more susceptible to even worse usage: Propaganda and identity or woke politics ie medium as vehicle for coercive activism seeding of culture. A very serious and very negative outcome for a culture to be perverted in such a way (in any form of art).
"Way of the House Husband" is Amazing!!
Using the example of Ms. Marvel, they should do more of the stuff they did when she was paired with Spider-Man. That was some decently good stuff. Even when they elected to do the power swap I feel that they pulled it off. However, in most cases you guys are correct. Character development is a think of the past. Just gotta cut to the chase so that we have more time to force the particular agenda of the day. I miss the slow burn of good character growth.
Aron's commentary on manga I feel leaves a few things out. Unlike American comics manga writers have to preform, meaning poorly executed timing in the story could hurt a lot more than a failed four part run of superman. Especially as many times they also have to draw said story which can be stressful.
I also agree that the lack of trying to create original characters and the lure of the Hollywood money has weakened writers.
There is one thing I would like to bring up about manga. There are is a niche in manga where the characters are near perfect but still are entertaining for the reader. Granted almost all of these have an anime that came first.
Yeah, Manga seems to be doing everything right compared to American comics. I really wish that American Comics would learn and adapt the best things from Manga.
Wow great listen. Obviously you both have great insight and awareness. It’s really great to hear people say the truth.
Nominal continuity is a bitch. It *can* work great if all of your writers buy into it, or if you have a strongman on top managing their writers into a singular, cohesive creative vision (like Kevin Feige managed to do for the MCU). That drive and passion is clearly gone, though, and when you do it WRONG, it’s infinitely worse than just not doing it at all and making everything its own standalone story.
Great show! This is why it's the Silver/Bronze Age and non-franchises for me.
Good talk. You two work well together. Good questions from you. Clear answers from him.
Go get 'em, Wes. I think it comes down to a couple of issues. First one is the price, which is too high for the quantity of story. I find that I horde comics and don't read them because I get more value for the $4 or more I spent on the comic dreaming about how much I'll like it. Once I've read it in about 30 minutes, the dream is over and I'm not on the hook for another $4+ to keep it going. The other issue boils down to the idea that a lot of the leadership and creatives hate, or are at least ambivalent, about their primary audience of heterosexual white males.
2:23 this. the japanese do indeed understand heroic fiction, to which i will give an example from the demon slayer movie:
that scene in the last act (SPOILER)...
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where the flame bro, Rengoku died, and our boy tanjiro was on his knees, absolutely frustrated and distraught to high heavens to a point that he was actly crying.
"No matter how much I train or overcome an obstacle, theres always another impassable wall infront of me..." Dude, that line hit hard.
And this was the Main Character of the show, and somebody he respected died. The villain - in this arc atleast - actly won.
But this arc was crucial. Coz no hero can ever be made without suffering a major loss.
Tanjiro already lost his family, his sister is a demon, and now a powerful hashira got killed right infront of him.
And the next line by Inosuke (peppa pig on speed) was also important "He (Rengoku) said he believed in you (before Rengoku died), so you better think of how your gonna live up to that!" oof. that push from a friend to not give up, even when ur at ur lowest.
Good stuff.
Of course, as a sidenote: manga do have their nonsensical overpowered characters, characters so overpowerful they basically render their allies useless and make the whole conflict in the plot pretty much irrelevant. But heres the thing: manga/anime will usually make sure their audience understand that from the get-go, even if u dont read the synopsis. they want to make it clear that this is "this type of show" and its made for a certain group of audience. it wont work with everyone and thats ok, coz there are other genres thatll tickle ur fancy.
110% Agreed! One Piece, Beserk, Golden Kumay, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan, and the list goes on!!! I want to start Jujutsu Kaisen too. Anyone know of a good Manga/Anime that is gun action based? Gangster, spy, whichever?
Try bungou stray dog and psycho pass.
Spy x Family
Trigun is very literally gun action based. Some people don't like the new one but both are gun action based.
Some awesome key points made here in this video! Thank you! Completely agree about how diverse manga is compared to America! No not woke, but how expansive its genres can be for everyone!
Btw Wes, great show! Aaron was awesome and talk more manga! Between DC, Marvel and Manga, I read way more manga right now and enjoy it so much more!
Another extra (wich tangle with other points) how the big 2 mostly are tied to a shared universe, world's can't be that unique when all the stories take place in the same world with the same rules.
You don't see Shonen jump forcing all mangas to take place in Dragon ball planet, and having to fit in
Will you ever do a video on warhammer 40K and the lore?
This topic fascinates me so much! Thanks for the coverage Wes 🤟🕷🕸
Read (or watch the anime) Black Lagoon by Rei Hiroe, and you'll understand why manga is currently shitting on the maggot filled rainbow flag wearing corpse that is (or what is masquerading as) American comics.
I was lucky enough to live next door to a Japanese family who ran a Chinese restaurant (it was the 70s, and cultural appropriation didn't exist) when I was a kid, and read all sorts of shit that Mako-San had sent over from the homeland (we bonded through comics, and he would translate the mangas for me, bless him), and the Japanese had (and still have) an honesty that is sorely lacking here in the West.
I've been fortunate enough that for as long as I can remember, half of the comics I've read have been Japanese, and TokyoPop DESERVES to be a bigger company than Marvel and DC combined.
Trust me, you aren't gonna be labelled a traitor if you switch from the shitfest that is Western comics and review the odd manga from time to time....
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Boom studios, Dark horse comics
Valiant and image comics is the only comics I've been buying lately
Valiant comics sells good yet?
@@EvandroACruz no I don't think valiant comics sales are very good...but I really like reading them anyway
2000AD? They are great too no PC BS
@@kenkenshiro6779 Thanks for the heads up on Dredd comics 👍
The older master-class mangakas with a dramatic art style so-called GEKIGA are probably influenced by old days American superhero comics. Hayao Miyazaki also began to make animations modeled after Disney.The pilot animation "Daikon" produced by Eva's director Anno and the founding members of Gainax is filled with love for American subcultures such as Star Wars and Super Heroes. It all starts in America. What was good for the manga anime industry in the early days of Japan was that there was a good example of America to aim for.
I hope American creators to focus on what is interesting, engaging, memorable, and depicting the present, and create great American entertainment. I'm not a fan of American comics and I don't know much about them. However, in the last 10 years or so, I feel that the entertainment industry , including Hollywood, has suddenly become obsolete and stuck in a rut.
I think Japanese anime and manga are not necessarily the best. There are also some bad places in terms of industry.
However, the opinions of manga fans are fed back to the writers through the publisher. Manga genres and types of readers/fan are subdivided. This makes the manga art style more diverse. I think that the unique environment and creative efforts are what support the popularity of manga.
Personally, I think that the large number of mangaka and just right competition are a major factor of what good is manga, whether amateur/professional, doujin (derivative works)/ordinary publications.
The environment becomes the cradle of mutational and critical works such as Eva, AOT, and Made in abyss......that inspire mangakas and create new works.
Sorry for my shitty English.
Thanks a lot.（＾ω＾）
Manga and anime *knows* it's audience. And who's Kamala' Khan's villains? Her arch enemy is a rooster named Edison.
My thing with comics vs manga even back in the day is…. for starters comics just felt all over the place. Like you read the first “the amazing spiderman”, then you read the next spiderman comic and it doesn’t pick up on the last one it tells a whole new story almost as if it resets but it doesn’t actually reset cuz (for some of em) they don’t redo the origin of spiderman. Then they all say “spiderman” as if they do pick up after the other. Vs manga where it’s very direct and simple. Then with comics I feel like then and now their movie iterations just do their own thing and don’t follow the comics to the tee, to every minuscule possible detail in the way manga & and anime do. Like Tobey’s spiderman not having web shooters….if a manga did that everyone would go ballistic. Or how Tobey’s suit isn’t 100% accurate it’s its own thing, anime don’t usually do that with their manga. And then, I feel like even with the changes (back in the day) the movies was better than the comics anyway. I don’t feel like for that manga/anime.
Then he hit the nail on the head with the story and development point. Even the old comics I feel like in terms of story wasn’t even close to manga. Manga storylines just be more thought out and more complex and fleshed out than comics storylines. Especially for the first spiderman comic (I keep using that one as my example cuz that’s my favorite superhero) but when I first read the spiderman comics I was like “dude I could’ve wrote this” and my specialty in school was math not literature🤣. Then you got manga storyline like Naruto back in the day….top tier, AOT, TOP TIER, dragon ball was cool but the story alone wasn’t like mind bending brain farting crazy it was more so hype crazy
I always saw the story structure of manga being the biggest winner to me. This never ending battle getting the same characters and getting different writers hurts it. It starts to feel stale and inconsistent, however that beginning middle end that manga have is great. Knowing that the story is going to come to an end is always interesting. I love comic books mainly superhero ones buy even I feel as though the formula could use a little bit of a breath of fresh air.
In my opinion we should adapt that a bit into our American comics. Like okay maybe we don’t have to have it he one of those things where the character does or we have the story end and no more of that character but more times move on. Like Bruce can’t have been doing this as long as he has been written to. So instead you write the bat mantle continuing to be passed down going through the different generations and ideals. Giving us more views on what justice is and despite the hardships and trials the constant is the ideal of batman.
It’s much easier to get into manga compared to comics, and it also helps that they are marketed much better, I would love if comics could adapt some of the methods that manga does.
The Japanese market is also gigantic so it can support a very diverse array of content.
That's thought to narrowly. Comic books only really sell well in the US. Mangas aren't just very popular in Japan but around the globe. I know tons of people around the world who own Mangas or have read them before. But I don't know anyone outside the US who really care about comics. Not sure what sells better in the US specifically but Mangas easily beat comics internationally.
First of all great video wes. I think the villains in comic book are non threatening like they use to be .
As a French guy, i bought imported comics during 20 years, the scenarios never changed, it was always the same story, it became boring ( exception of John Byrne's NEXT MEN )
Then AKIRA appeared, then i had to learn to read japanese imported mangas and since 20 years... I never bought a comic... Never
Now i read mangas about wine ( les gouttes de dieu ) romance ( quintessential quintuplets ), gag manga ( dr SLUMP) + berserk, one piece, Blue Lock, Vinland Saga etc.....
There is one distinct difference, manga authors and/or artists are the creators, and they almost always stay on till the last chapter. Get sick, manga goes on hiatus. If they die, manga is stopped, unlike in the US where the writers and artists are changed every arc, and the story has no ending if the hero is popular.
Writing actual plots
Manga: Andy born or appeared > Andy trained > Andy work > Andy dies
Comic: Andy born or appeared > Andy work > Andy dies > Andy reborn > Andy trained > wait, Who is Mandy? > anyway > Mandy trained > Mandy work with Andy and Sandy > Mandy, Andy, Sandy died > dark twisted Zombandy born > lesbian She-Andy appeared > Zombandy dies > Candy, the modern and sassy She-andy born or appeared > Repeat for at the very least 3 times or until unprofitable.
I love your vid keep up the good work
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I actually think passing the torch onto a new generation is a good idea and has potential to work...but not if it's just for work bullshit reasons. These characters need a good story if they're going to take over a major heroes mantle. How many times are we gonna see Batman fight the joker? But for example Terry fighting the joker gang was a great way to change things up.
Or just make new heroes like with Isom. That's a good way to do it too
Manga is also diverse in the demographics it sells to
Shonen: Manga targeted at teen boys, stories like My Hero Academia, One Piece
Shojo: Manga targeted at teen girls. Sailor Moon, Ouran High School Host Club
Seinen: Manga targeted at adult men (18+). Berserk, Vagabond
Josei: Manga targeted at adult women (18+). Love Is Hard for Otaku
Kodomomuke: Manga targeted at young children. Doraemon
It doesn't matter the genre, different stories can and could be enjoyed by every age. Which is maybe why you got that spark of "developing" and "do your best" from My Hero Academia. Even though it's targeted toward a younger demographic the author puts care into treating the audience with respect to these themes. Not every story will stick but the encouragement of manga to try different stories and find WHAT YOU LIKE is I think really separates Manga from an oversaturated market in comics.
I'm originally a Manga Reader and mostly like anime is story development that is stronger some stories of comic are good and then came new writer than reset everything and you are completely lost while Naruto you know where it starts at ends same with Jujutsu Kaizen or whatever of the one's are selling.
Yo I fully agree with the deku character as he explained then ended up rooting for him ( still hope we get a scene where he kicks as$)
It’s kinda crazy but I just had a similar experience to Sparrow. Had a friend badger me into watching My Hero and I wasn’t a fan of the main character until a certain scene/event and now I’m really digging it. I talk to my shop owner about starting to read it and he let me know there’s a collection coming out with the first 40 volumes. So I’m excitedly waiting for that.
it's non-preachy, straight up FUN!
This is exactly the problem with today's American comics. Today's young writers attempting to write their own stories into legacy characters, far too often with a woke influence. What he said about working on Darkwing Duck nailed it. What Darkwing Duck stories could he tell rather than how could he use Darkwing Duck to tell his own stories?
There is no respect for histories, styles, genres, you name it, with today's narcissistic , immature, inexperienced, and frankly unintelligent writers who only see comics as a platform for their message and narrative. It's what happens when the big comic publishers hire writers based on their blue check marks rather than hiring base on talent and a passion for writing comics.
You know comics are bad when I a person who has hated Manga for years fine my self supporting them. Also I want to thank Wes for recommending chainsaw man a few months back picked up the first 5 volumes
Another problem with comics is that issues go out of print a month after they get released. Manga however, they print manga and stay on the shelves forever. So it is easier for people to get into
Diversity of story, price, and availability are definitely the top reasons why manga is kicking the butt of the comic industry.
Another great video as always. Also go Sporting Kansas City!
There is this idea of comics and animation in America it’s for kids. Especially the older generation and maybe it has a lot to do with genre. There are animated movies in Japan that are slice of life and the people look at it like a real story, real art not something for kids. Obviously Not everyone feels this way but the masses I’d argue. in America we take animated movies and make them live action for what? I know this is about manga and comics but it all relates. Manga is obviously proving it doesn’t have to be one genre. You see image comics and dark horse selling really well and those books do all kinds of genres. Even the superhero comics with in image do character so much better. Invincible started with mark being a naive kid and ends with mark as an experienced adult. Different genres, Character growth and a story with a beginning middle and end is the reason why manga is doing better.
Good interview
Another great video!
to me, American comics are soulless, preachy, cringy, the actions and panels are stale, stiff, and lack of expression, focus more on aesthetic and the story are boring af
while manga is vibrant, original, alive, emotionally heavy and you can feel the movement and pace from their panel and visual style, their style of showing the emotion through visuals are godly impactful. the characters are memorable. dont let me start on character developments... its off the charts
Manga is very clear and not as fragmented as comics. A title comes out, and you know exactly where it begins and where it ends. Even if there are spin-offs and side stories, those are all their own stories and are usually clearly marked. Mangas also usually just have one writer who came up with the story or just a handful at best working on all the stories. There are also always new titles coming out. In comics, you have a million and one stories often running at the same time. You don't know where a story begins, in which comic it continues, and there are often multiple versions and stories of the same character going on. You also have a bunch of writers that come in one after another, often with contradicting visions of where a story should go, which often does not end well and alienates the fanbase. Not to mention the constant reboots that make things even more convoluted.
You have a point where manga creators feel like the character is almost a piece of them. I know the reason that, thankfully, sailor moon will never get an American remake is because Naoko Takeuchi (the creator of the series) based Usagi off of herself and she doesn't want to see people defile her, or the meaning of the story. Femininity is an extremely important aspect of Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon's dream was to marry Tuxedo Mask, become a housewife and a mother and you and I both know that Americans will not be able to do the feminine aspects of Sailor Moon any justice, especially nowadays)
She got very upset with the 90s dub and the series was never allowed to be resold in America until the 10's when the Viz dub that she was heavily involved in came out. (even to this day, being an American sailor moon fan is extremely hard because of how much restrictions she puts on the licenses outside of Japan...) Manga creators mostly keep their creations close to their hearts if they can. American comics don't seem to care at all about what happens to their characters or how they're portrayed in media..
Am a manga reader for a few months now from American comics better stories overall and much much more