Red Auerback on Bill Russell Wilt Chamberlain Boston Celtics NBA - Later with Bob Costas 12/16/91
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- Legendary Boston Celtics coach RED AUERBACH discusses the NBA, his teams, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain and much more on the December 16th, 1991 episode of "Later with Bob Costas". WKYC-NBC to cable to SuperBeta3 to 8mm to PC #redauerbach #nba #basketball #wiltchamberlain #billrussell #bobcostas #interview #bostonceltics
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Wilt had alot of crushing defeats, but to be fair chamberlains 1967 and 1972 teams might be the two best teams in NBA History
When Wilt played on great teams he had some pretty amazing success in his own right. 68-13 record and a title in '67, 62 wins and a game 7 loss in the Eastern Division Finals in '68 with Billy Cunningham injured and a 69-13 record, NBA championship and a record 33 game winning streak.
That's also excluding another 60 win season and three other finals appearances.
Do you want to hear something amazing? In '67, Wilt's 76ers broke the record for most wins in a season and 5 years later his Lakers broke that record while setting a record winning streak that still stands today.
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 thanks for the history 🐐
68 team was better
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 he got smoked with the same team in 66 68 and 73
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 The scary part about that 33 game win streak by the Lakers?
The Bucks did NOT "beat the Lakers" to end it - HORRIBLE SHOOTING by Gail, Jerry, and somewhat by Jim (the 3 highest scorers for the Lakers that season IN ORDER) killed it.
Goodrich (who led West by .1 PPG that year) shot .250 FG% (barely better than HALF his norm!).
West shot .313 (less than 2/3ds).
McMillian managed .383 (Off about .100).
ALL of them were around .480 NORMALLY that season from the field!
Costas and Auerbach have selective memories. Costas either forgets or doesn't know that Chamberlain carried the 76ers over the Knicks in the 68 East Divisional Playoffs after Billy Cunningham broke his wrist in Game 3 of that series. In the next series against the Celtics, the 76ers were up 3-1 because of the dominant play of the Big Dipper. Unfortunately, Luke Jackson tore his hamstring in Game 2 of the series and then Wilt tore his calf muscle in Game 3. Luck and health are underrated ingredients in whether a team wins or loses and the 67-68 76ers didn't have much of either in that series. Costas also forgets or doesn't know that Chamberlain tore the patella tendon in his knee during the 9th game of the 1969-1970 regular season, yet Wilt somehow made his way back on the court and played in the last 3 games of the regular season. Chamberlain then had an outstanding 1970 post-season. In 18 playoff games, Wilt averaged 22.1 points, 22.2 rebounds, and 4.5 assists To this day, no player in any of the 4 major sports in the United States has duplicated (e.g., having major knee surgery, coming back in the same season, and playing at an elite level in the playoffs) this feat. Auerbach conveniently ignores the fact that Chamberlain was the epitome of a team player during the 76er's historic 1966-1967 season and the Laker's historic 1971-1972 season. He also is flat-out wrong when he claims that Wilt played poorly in Game 7 of the 1969 Finals. Chamberlain did a number on Russell, scoring 18 points on 7-8 from the floor and grabbing 27 rebounds. When Wilt came out of the game with a knee injury, the Lakers were down 9, not 14 or 15 points. Auerbach was also aware of the fact that Chamberlain almost willed the 1961-1962 Warriors and 1964-1965 76ers to victory over his heavily favored Celtics. He also knew that it was highly unlikely that Russell would have done the same if the roles were reversed.
PhilC excuses excuses and more excuses
@@casualfandestroyer2503 Reed had a tear in his leg muscle in the 19'70 Finals, and in the last three games of that series, he scored a total of 11 points, on 4-10 shooting, with 3 rebounds.
Now, Chamberlain had a similar tear in his leg muscle in the '68 ECF's, along with several other injuries and yet he was still able to average.
22.1 PPG, 25.1 RPG, 6.7 APG 5.3 BPG 48.7 FG%, 42.4 FT%
Russell also said after the series ended about Wilt that a lesser man wouldn't have even played with the amount of pain that Wilt was in.
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 In 1968 (3-1 lead) and 1969 (3-2 lead) alone, Wilt was 0-5 vs Ready to retire Bill Russell in closeout games.
PhilC What number of FG did wilt make in the fourth quarter of game 7 in 1968 and 1969? 🤡 why didn’t you mention his pitiful performance in game 7 of 1968? Dunmy
PhilC “The Celtics also ran the pick-and-roll over and over again, freeing up Sam Jones and John Havlicek for open jumpers as Wilt again showed himself reluctant to leave the paint and cover the shooters who had been freed by Russell’s picks. Alex Hannum screamed from the sidelines for Wilt to switch, but to no avail as Jones, Havlicek, and point guard Larry Siegfried combined for 61 points”.-the rivalry John Taylor. This is how wilt ending up blowing the 3-1 lead to bill Russell in 1968
Pure gold. Thank you!
“The Celtics also ran the pick-and-roll over and over again, freeing up Sam Jones and John Havlicek for open jumpers as Wilt again showed himself reluctant to leave the paint and cover the shooters who had been freed by Russell’s picks. Alex Hannum screamed from the sidelines for Wilt to switch, but to no avail as Jones, Havlicek, and point guard Larry Siegfried combined for 61 points”.-the rivalry John Taylor. This is how wilt ending up blowing the 3-1 lead to bill Russell in 1968
1970s fan put up several videos of Wilt helping out and switching on to the PNR. So that easily debunk that kyth
You the same guy who says Lebron is top 10 player. Yeah hypocrite
“For Russell…for Bird…for Jordan…for Magic…and for Kareem you can make the case as the greatest player ever”
ive had the same top5 as Red without even knowing it until today lol
And wilt
Red was the manager of the Celtics and Bill Russell said, "he never told Red how to manage the team and Red never told Bill how to play!"
Bill Russell always played Wilt Chamberlain fair and square within the rules, but Red put into place two variables that made it very hard for the dominant centre Wilt Chamberlain, firstly he and the NBA including referees allowed Wilt Chamberlain to be hard fouled much more than normal, these physical challenges exceeded the norm of the 1960s very rough times on the court. Secondly he put a player directly in line with the forward motion of Wilt especially in the area of Wilts favourite shot his fade-away, this player slowed down Wilt who wouldn't run right over the player because of his fear of hurting a player unnecessary, this gave the added time for Bill Russell and the team to reach the area that Wilt Chamberlain was traditionally expected to score in and allowed if Bill Russell failed to stop Wilt Chamberlain a further two or more celtic players to form on Wilt and challenge him in whatever way necessary including hard fouls!
When Wilt Chamberlain went from being the main scorer he beat the opposition including the Celtics easily, especially when he had a equal amount of good team players with scoring potential.
Example of this was a new rule change, when other teams copied the celtics?
"Fouls against Wilt Chamberlain "Once in 1967, the Chicago Bulls decided to take full advantage of his bad free-throwing by constantly fouling him late in a game against the Sixers. At the time, any personal foul was a simple two-shot foul whether the player fouled had the ball or not. Therefore, virtually the entire team was fouling Wilt so he would have to take the free throws. It started to pay off when the Bulls took the lead late, but then the Sixer's coach benched him and put in some of their best all-around shooters and they stormed back to win 132-126. Afterwards, Bulls coach Dick Motta was severely reprimanded by the NBA for the tactic, and a new rule was instituted (making all fouls away from the ball technicals) to prevent other teams from trying it."
MMMMM Red obviously never forgave wilt for telling him to f*** off at camp 😂😂😂
I grew up in Connecticut and am a diehard Celtics fan, but I’ll never understand why Red never gives Wilt any respect. Although those Celtic teams won a majority of their playoff matchups with Chamberlain's teams, they didn’t just dominate them. Those games were close.
the majority?the majority is 55-60%...the celtics won the overwhelming majority of the time not just a lil more often than they lost-they absolutely did dominate-and he doesnt respect Wilt as much as some do because he watched Wilt clearly put himself and his personal goals and inclinations above the team for the overwhelming majority of his career instead of lifting his team up...
The fact that he didnt even live in Philly and didnt attend practices on the regular basis...R U kidding me????-that makes Iversons work ethic/practice habits look like Larry Birds in comparison...
I dont understand how a player can avg 30ppg in the regular season for his career but avg only 22ppg in the playoffs for his career yet still somehow be the best EVER instead of one of the reasons his team came up short annually...I dont think Red would argue with me about that either...
I lost respect for Wilt after looking at Wilts playoff stats...He was able to avg 50ppg for an entire a reg season and scored 100pts in a game that season & avgd44ppg the next yr, which inherently means he musta scored 40pts or more in a single reg season game hundreds of times and 50+pts dozens of times-exponentially more often than MJ did during reg season games- yet MJ scored 50+pts in playoff games twice as many times as Wilt did, scored 40+pts in a playoff game almost 3times as often as Wilt did, and when MJ set the alltime single game playoff scoring record which still stands to this day it wasnt even Wilts record that got broken-it was Elgin Baylors...Wilts career high in a playoff game was only 56pts...An aging slightly past his prime MJ put up 55pts in a playoff win against a team featuring C.Webber J.Howard and 7'7" G.Mureson...
The greatest of the greats come thru and play their best in the biggest games and moments, maybe not always but more often than not...MJs stats in the playoffs are better than they are during the reg season...The yr Wilt avgd 50ppg his scoring then dropped off to only 35ppg that ensuing postseason...How was his team supposed to make up those 15 points per game???He didnt increase his apg avg by 7.5 or anything remotely close from what it had been that regular season-he just began doing less when if anything his team needed him to do MORE. He finally won a championship in 1967 yet rather than guaranteeing a repeat championship he guaranteed the media that hed lead the NBA in assists...Maybe Red, like me, doesnt respect the fact that personal glory was more important to him, that he to failed to merely repeat as a champion after Russell and Red had just won 8 in a row because Wilt was too preoccupied passing the ball even at times when he had the highest % shot available to him outta everyone on the floor and the ball in his hands...He stated it quite clearly-"Wilt cared more about his stats than winning."
In ''67 a fraternity brother of mine went to a Sixers-Celtics playoff game, ran into Auerback in the hall of the Spectrum(was it built in 67?),, and to Auerback's face called him a bald headed baboon. It was funny 50 years ago.
red and I have the same exact top 5alltime players lol
Red and many will point out the losses in 1968, 69, and 70 as having sealed the narrative about Wilt.
While it is true Chamberlain could have done more, it is uncertain how much more another player would have done in his place.
Chamberlain was nursing an assortment of injuries to his right leg in the 1968 East Finals that he "couldn't turn around to shoot" according to team statistician Harvey Pollack.
In the deciding game of the 1969 Finals, he left after hurting his right knee in the middle of a fourth-quarter rally but still demanded to go back in. In 1970 he went against doctor's orders after major knee surgery and returned early in time for the postseason, even though another break may have ended his career.
In all three cases, all I saw was someone who just wanted to play and win despite risking greater injury to himself.
Chamberlain averaged 17.7 points, 28.3 rebounds, 4.0 assists, and shot .63.6 from the field across those three Game 7 losses while his teammates collectively shot averages of .34.3, .360, and .41.8.
The Big Dipper archive didn’t Jerry west win finals mvp in 69?
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Here is Wilt's "HOF" "help" in the post-season:
Playoff FG%'s...
'60 Arizin .43.1 Gola .41.2
'61 Arizin .32.5 Gola .20.6
'62 Arizin .37.5 Gola .27.1
'63 Gola...played 21 games and was shipped out
'64 Thurmond .43.8
'65 Greer .45.5 Walker .48.0
'66 Greer .35.2 Cunningham .16.1 Walker .37.5
'67 Greer .42.9 Walker .46.7 Cunningham .37.6
'68 Greer .43.2 Walker .41.0 Cunningham broke his wrist in the first round (played 3 games)
'69 West .46.9 Baylor .38.5
'70 West .46.9 Baylor .46.6
'71 West and Baylor...both injured and do not play in the playoffs. Goodrich .42.5
'72 Baylor retires after 9 nine games. West .37.6. Goodrich .44.5
'73 West .44.9 Goodrich .44.8
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62 Meschery was NOT an all-star. Shoots .39.7 in the playoffs.
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63 Meschery (* All-Star. Played 64 games. 16 ppg .42.5 FG% during the season.)
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63 Rodgers (shoots .38.7 in the regular season.
'64 Rodgers .32.9 in post-season.
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65 Jackson .33.8 in playoffs.
Now the next set of numbers are Wilt's playoff eFG%'s, his teammates (collectively and without Wilt), and the post-season league averages.
59-60:
Wilt: .49.6
Team: .38.0
League: .40.2
60-61:
Wilt: .46.9
Team: .33.2
League: .40.3
61-62:
Wilt: .46.7
Team: .35.4
League: .41.1
63-64:
Wilt: .54.3
Team: .38.3
League: .42.0
64-65:
Wilt: .53.0
Team: .41.3
League: .42.9
65-66:
Wilt: .50.9
Team: .35.2
League: .44.0
66-67:
Wilt: .57.9
Team: .42.8
League: .42.4
67-68:
Wilt: .53.4
Team: .41.6
League: .44.6
68-69:
Wilt: .54.5
Team: .42.1
League: .43.1
69-70:
Wilt: .54.9
Team: .46.9
League: .45.5
70-71:
Wilt: .45.5
Team: .44.6
League: .44.5
71-72:
Wilt: .56.3
Team: .41.4
League: .43.9
72-73:
Wilt: .55.2
Team: .44.6
League: .45.1
The above is just amazing.
In Wilt's rookie season, he inherited a last-place team. And in his first six seasons, his rosters got progressively worse. Still, he single-handedly kept those teams in the playoff hunt, and almost won two titles with virtually no help.
And even in his two title seasons, his teammates didn't shoot well, either (although his '67 team shot .42.8 in a post-season that shot .424.) His second ring was even more remarkable. The '72 Lakers went 12-3 in their post-season, with Wilt's teammates collectively shooting .41.3, in a post-season that shot .43.9.
There was never one season in his career, in which his teammates collectively stepped up. And yet, he won TWO rings and lost five-game seven's to the eventual champion, four of which were by margins of 2, 1, 4, and 2 points.
The problem was, the postseason, and with Chamberlain deferring more in them, his teammate's performances declined dramatically
There is no better an example of that, than Chamberlain's 65-66 season (which, along with his 66-67 season, were probably the two most dominating seasons, against all peers, of all-time by a centre.) During the regular season, the Sixers went 6-3 against Boston. And, in those nine games, Chamberlain averaged 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, and probably about 4 APG, and on a very educated estimate of about a .52.5 FG%.
In the '65-66 EDF's, Boston blew out Philly, 4-1. And in that series, Wilt dominated Russell in the first four games (hell, newspaper accounts claimed that Wilt, in his lowest-scoring game of that series, almost single-handedly won the game)...and in-game five, he shelled Russell with a 46-34 game.
Overall, Wilt averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg,, 3.2 APG, and on a .50.9 FG%. As for that APG...how about this...his teammates collectively shot (again, from a team with the best record in the league)... .35.2 from the field! Wilt's numbers were nearly identical, but his teammates, as they most often did, just puked all over the floor.
I could go for nearly every post-season in Wilt's career. Arizin and Gola putting up playoff series in which they shot .37.5, .32.5, and .27.1 and .20.6 respectively, in their three post-seasons with Wilt.
Or West, who had played so brilliantly in the '69 Finals, shooting .37.6 in the '72 post-season (but Chamberlain overcame it, and carried LA to a title anyway.) Player-after-player just gagged.
And still, with virtually very little help, Chamberlain carried two putrid rosters, who would be even worse in the post-season, to within an eyelash of beating the greatest dynasty in the history of the sport, in '62 and '65. No other all-time great has even taken so little, so far, and against such overwhelming odds, as Wilt did in those years (as well as '60, and '64.)
I find it fascinating that so many people write about Russell's "intangibles", and yet, the man was blessed with those most talented (and deepest) rosters, year-after-year, as well as a HOF coach.
You want "intangibles"...ask yourself this...how did Chamberlain take a 40-40 team, with a roster that was bottom-feeder the year before, and didn't make the playoffs...thru a stacked 48-32 Royals team in a first-round romp, and then to a game seven, one point loss (on Boston's home floor) against a 62-18 Celtic team that was at its peak in their dynasty run?
In-game one, Wilt destroyed Russell. He scored 33 points on 13-25 FG/FGA, while Russell had 16 points on 7-22 shooting. Wilt's teammates? They collectively shot...get this... 20-85 from the field, or .23.5!
That entire series went the same way...and still, Chamberlain single-handedly carried that last-place roster to a game seven, two-point loss.
Again...swap rosters, and it would have been WILT holding all those rings.
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 wilts teams sucked in the clutch because wilt sucked in the clutch
@@thebigdipperarchive1007 1962 Regular season wilt averaged 50 Philadelphia Warriors (49-31) vs #1 Boston Celtics (60-20)
Choke Criteria: Game 7 Flop/PPG average dropped 15 points
Games 1-6 Stats: 35.5 PPG, 27.7 RPG, 46.8 FG%, 62.2 FT%
Game 7 Stats: 22 Points, 22 Rebounds, 46.7 FG%, 88.9 FT%
(2) 1968 Eastern Division Finals
Matchup: #1 Philadelphia 76ers (62-20) vs #2 Boston Celtics (54-28)
Choke Criteria: Higher Seed/Up 3-1, Lost in 7
Season Stats: 24.3 PPG, 23.8 RPG, 8.6 APG, 59.5 FG%, 38.0 FT%
Series Stats: 22.1 PPG, 25.1 RPG, 6.7 APG, 48.7 FG%, 42.4 FT%
(3) 1969 NBA Finals
Matchup: #1 Los Angeles Lakers (55-27) vs #4 Boston Celtics (48-34)
Choke Criteria: Better Record/Up 3-2, Lost in 7
Biggest choke job in nba history blowing a 3-2 lead to a ready to retire Russell
Season Stats: 20.5 PPG, 21.1 RPG, 4.5 APG, 58.3 FG%, 44.6 FT%
Series Stats: 11.7 PPG, 25.0 RPG, 3.0 APG, 50.0 FG%, 36.4 FT%
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an instance in Chamberlain's postseason career often discussed is 1962, particularly when he "only scored 22 points" in Game 7 against Boston when he averaged 50.4 in the regular season. I invite everyone to take a good look at Chamberlain's schedule that year.
Right after averaging 48.5 minutes a game in the regular season he gets only one day of rest before meeting Syracuse in the semifinals that went down to a deciding game which Chamberlain put up a 56 point, 35 rebound performance to win.
Then he gets only one day of rest again before meeting the Boston Celtics who, on other hand, got ten straight days of rest. In a series where Boston was predicted to sweep the Warriors, it went down to a Game 7 and decided by one basket.
There is a story behind his 22 points in that Game 7. Warriors coach Frank McGuire asked Chamberlain to play out of pivot more. Tom Meschery continued his hot shooting from Game 6. Tom Gola returned from injury and also shot well. This took the pressure off Chamberlain to focus more on defence
Wilt blocked 15 shots in this game. The game was close all night. With 50 seconds to go in the 4th quarter and the Warriors down by 5 points, Wilt tied the game by himself with 16 seconds left.
On the Celtics' last play Paul Arizin was guarding Sam Jones, who freed himself off a pick and made the game-winning shot. Chamberlain left his post to try and block it but didn't get there in time.
All that game came down to was in the final minute when the referees slapped Chamberlain with a questionable goaltending call, which put Boston up by five.
Then on the Warriors' last possession, they were given fewer seconds to respond thanks to a shot clock error. So basically Boston made it out alive against a much more inferior team on technicalities.
Warriors coach Frank McGuire was so upset at the preferential treatment the officials were giving the Celtics all game long that he punched the referees' locker room door after the game was over.
I haven't watched this video yet. I have read several comments, though. Usually, in debates, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, Bill Russel was one of the truly greats. He had fire, intensity to win, and exceptional athletic abilities. Yes, the Celtics won those 11 championships, as a TEAM. People can argue until the cows come home about who was greater, Wilt, or Bill. On recorded statistics, the only completely objective arguments that can be made, without all the bias and judgement calls people come up with, Wilt Chamberlain is ahead of Bill Russel in all offensive and defensive parameters, per career averages. Wilt is considerably ahead of Bill in average points per game. He is slightly ahead on rebounds per game, at 0.8, or 0.9 more. Both were the all time best shot blockers, but no stats on that.
Just saying.
Qell said
costas ego is annoying..... he used wilt to cozy in here w/ red. then he has the gall to say he likes wilt, as if his opinion on wilt is from an elevated perch. coming from a guy who never played in the game to boot.... at least red's arrogance was earned.... red was old school & imo is blinded by ego in not having more grace re wilt. bill russell certainly doesnt talk this way about wilt & russell knew him better & had to go one on one w/ wilt.... peoples opinions are fair game when youve done what red has done. but I still feel wilt is maligned far too much. the greatest indiv talent the league has ever seen. & like any young man then wouldve been helped by getting in under better guidance coaching wise. in the right envir he wouldve had ended up w/ 5-7 rings. but to discount his incredible ability as a player came off ego driven.
Red is stretching a bit here. West did all that scoring, from the field and at the free shot line. Counts didn't score a single point. He made one shot but traveled and it didn't count. He did get 2 rebounds. That was it. Selective, faulty memory. The 4th quarter is shown on youtube. Kind of makes me wonder about the rest of the interview. You have to check Red's stories. Wilt had 18 points and I believe 22 rebounds, when he went out, so Russell wasn't "eating him alive". On the shot blocking, just watch a few videos of Wilt's defense. He very often catches the ball after the block, and does send it to teammates, also.
Didn’t he have the same team in 66 that he had in 67?
Essentially yes.
Also 65 with one significant change.
10:18
Keep in mind that most of the team around Wilt was THE SAME TEAM for his entire time on the 76ers.
There were injury issues in 1967-1968 - but WHAT HAPPENED IN THE OTHER 2 YEARS? They LOST.
plus the injury issues didnt stop the 76ers from getting a 3-1 series lead.
@@dp233332 I was talking the seasons OTHER THAN the 1 out of 4 that the 76'ers had Wilt and won a championship in.
Also note that Boston had KC Jones retire after the season they lost - and WON ANYWAY the next season (then lost Tom Sanders and won the FOLLOWING YEAR anyway).
@@bricefleckenstein9666 i just think he was overrated didnt know/wasnt willing to do what it took to win... i dont see how any1 can pretend that he isn't one of the reasons his team kept losing considering the fact that his career playoff scoring avg is 8ppg lower than his reg season career scoring avg, that despite having scored 40+hundreds of times in reg season and 50+ dozens of times in reg season-exponentially more than MJ did-MJ scored 50+ twice as many times in the playoffs and 40+ in playoffs almost 3 times as often as Wilt did...despite fact that wilt scored 100pts in a reg season game Elgin baylor is the player whose record was broken-not Wilts- when MJ set the alltime single game playoff scoring record vs Boston. He not only didnt perform his best when it mattered most, he played worse, shrank away...isnt even in top 10 for playoff ppg avgs despite being 2nd alltime for reg season scoring avgs...
@@dp233332 You do realize that MJ's scoring record in the playoffs was in a game and series his's Bulls LOST?
But I can't disagree that it took Wilt most of his career to learn to "do what it takes to win" - he showed a few signs of that with the 76ers under Alex Hannum, but it took Bill Sharman in Wilt's time on the Lakers to get him SERIOUS about it.
Also note that Elgin was never PART OF a championship team (he played a few games in the REGULAR SEASON before he retired in the season the Lakers finally won their first championship since Mikan).
@@bricefleckenstein9666 im well aware that MJ NEVER won a playoff game vs Boston...The point is he didnt play poorly or below par so to speak during the majority of those losses...he wasnt one of the reasons the bulls lost playoff series to boston or detroit...wilt at times was one of the reasons his team came up short...the fact that they didnt win until Elgin retired hasnt escaped my notice...Wilt and Elgin didnt get along or gel...they were a precursor to the Kobe & Shaq love hate relationship 2 an extent with less love expressed towards each other in retirement from what ive observed...Wilt actually told Elgin to stay the f out of his paint anytine he got the ball down there...he wasnt a team 1st guy...
Red at 9:06 said "intrical" which is not a word. "Integral" is the word.
hope you hold the current NBA players to speaking proper English...hahahahaha good luck
Wilt choked bottom line
nnope
@@QankoIvanov red Auerbach lying? Gtfo
@@casualfandestroyer2503 He is most likely acting biased, he doesnt have Wilt in his top 12
@@QankoIvanov he didn’t really have a top 12, just a team of 12 and he already explained wilt didn’t fit into the team concept so any team he was on wasn’t gonnna win anything
@@QankoIvanov is bob costas bias too? Y’all wilt groupies so sensitive