Destiny 2 Lore - Mara Sov, The Taken Queen? She tried to control a Taken? What's her plan?
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You know, two years ago I would've just rolled my eyes at the prospect. "Yup, Mara up to her old tricks again, being sneaky and untrustworthy, tampering with dark powers seemingly for the sole purpose of sowing distrust among her own allies and being special." But of the many changes made over the years, Mara actually becoming a good, interesting character is one I like the most. She's finally realizing the harm she's done in her reckless, self-assured pursuit of power, and while her interest in taking Oryx's Throne does... *concern* me about her falling into her old ways, the Mara of today is ultimately a different character from the Mara of even Season of the Lost, let alone the rude, borderline narcissistic Queen of the Reef from Forsaken. Of anyone in the system, I probably trust her with that power the most. For now, at least.
Its surprising how little her character had to change, both in motivation and even in action, for the perception of her to shift so drastically. Hell, theres an argument to be made she didn't change at all, she's just admitting to the flaws and negative reprecussions of her actions without necessarily changing them in any way. You could absolutely imagine the old Mara sending Crow into the portal, with him having become a Guardian due to a plot by her to gain power for herself. But the difference in perception with current day Mara doing the same thing is absolutely massive. I can't even really pinpoint the exact moment the change happened, though thats probably more due to me missing seasons. I'm guessing it was the season with the lay-lines and where Crow got his memories back that did it.
Pretty much started with crow getting hawkmoon. That's when he first started being more than just the guardian under spiders boot and started becoming more of a fleshed out character as he and our guardian got close in lore. Mara was almost immediately on her typical bs when she found out he got revived but once she started calling him and he ignored said calls, she started moving towards the "nice mara" that people see today. The season Amanda died was probably the first time we saw her show a decent amount of care for someone elses feelings (outside of her queenswraths) as she interacted with her lightless queensguard but this current seasons exposition dumps have been doing the most heavy lifting to make people look at her as less toxic. It's mainly her dialog with crow being more soft spoken and caring instead of manipulative, her sympathizing with riven in the loss of a partner that changed them for the better, and her opening up to Petra, Osiris, and us on how she's feeling about all of this instead of just issuing commands. I admit I like her better because she's not quite as one note as she used to be but I still don't trust the queen. It's gonna take more than a few years of speaking a little more soft and with more care before I believe all that toxicity got flushed away. People can change for the better but all its gonna take is one bad day of writing for bungie to set her right back on her bullshit for not even a full season and all the "good mara" deeds won't matter anymore and we know bungie will do it. Look at lightfalls story: infinite potential with Neptune, the vex having interesting motivation, a darkness artifact to match the traveler, finally meeting Nezzy, new powerhouse characters beside our guardian that could have had interesting stories to tell ect. But instead we got a long winded strand training session, half the new power houses got killed seemingly right after we met them and didn't even have time to get invested, and had to wait for disconnected cutscenes and audio logs just to get exposition dumped afterwards. They fumbled as hard as they could have with that one. Hopefully they learned from it.
@ASpaceOstrich ^^^ a long winded explanation as to why people suddenly believe mara has completely turned over a new leaf
Queen Mara has always been a good and interesting character. It's just that for whatever reason Bungie chose to hide all the good things about her in the lore and show only the worse things to players in seasonal content. She's never been reckless - even Osiris looks up to her because she has never missed forest for the trees (unlike him and so many others).
And taking power from Oryx's Throne was the right thing to do - you can't fight overwhelming evil forces without power. In contrast, the Vanguard typically misses most threats and only reacts to bad thiungs after they've happened instead of trying to prevent them. There's nothing good about being so shortsighted and it only ultimately leads to a greater number of victims...
Agreed
Love how byf is trying to talk about some serious topic and how it could change the future of the destiny lore, then at 5:00 savathunes Cochie (adept) joins the fireteam to help stop the taken
I saw that and died 😂😂😂😂 what a lad
5:02 someone particular joined the match
Lmfao I came to the comments to see if anyone else was gonna mention it
Jesus why do I check these time stamps...😑
😂😂😂😂 I'm not the only one to see that
@MrNoble1997 so who joined?
I remember the week before the Taken King launched.
The Taken world events were in place as a teaser for that week; having an army of the damn things drop on you during patrol without warning was humbling, they were weird and powerful and hard to kill and we didn't understand them.
We forget just how much power creep has ocurred in Destiny.
I'm of the opinion that the Taken basically won't survive past the Witness' destruction. Only those taken who have somehow maintained some kind of will of their own (anything half-taken, like Quira, Sloane, Riven etc, and the ascended taken of the court of Oryx such as Cra'adug) might survive. Anything else without the personal will to maintain itself will fade away.
The Witness obtained this power, if it can, there must be a way Mara can and possibly retain such power after The Witness's death.
The power creep has always saddened me because there are so many fascinating and engaging plots that we just can't have any more because the playerbase won't take them seriously. Even though Destiny isn't that kind of setting, players treat it like the kind of setting where defeating something means you can just walk over anything lesser than the previous threat. Which means we'll never get stories like Six Fronts. More grounded stories paradoxically have higher stakes, because when the threat is world ending or universe ending or what have you, its impossible for the players to lose. But a smaller, more grounded threat? We can lose that kind of fight.
The fact that D1 jumped straight from "basic establishing story introducing you to the factions" to "billion year old hive gods" cut out so many potential plotlines. Though even then they were still able to do those more grounded stories. I'm not sure when exactly it stopped being possible, maybe Shadowkeep? D2 vanilla leaving the Fallen utterly gutted definitely had a hand in it. And Forsaken following that up with the near total annihilation of the Awoken and general Reef civilisation did a lot to eliminate vectors for smaller stories to happen.
As the Witness has become a thing the ability to do a smaller threat has basically vanished. Which really sucks. The closest any enemy has come to defeating humanity, aside from Ghaul choosing his own pride over stealing the light, was Siviks slipping a nuke inside the city limits. He was seconds from basically rendering humanity extinct, given how devastating radiation is to guardians. That would have been a second collapse right there. Vanguard gone. Most guardians gone. City gone. But the story could potentially continue, so it was theoretically possible for Siviks to win.
@@ASpaceOstrich i think i can sum it up this way:
Destiny 1: Don't go to the moon, it's overrun and the last time we were there we lost a thousand guardians
Destiny 2: put on Ride of the Valkyries, Rahool, because it's TANK TIME, WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
That's not to say i didn't like the intro to Shadowkeep, but there was quite a difference in tone.
We've been in dangerous situations, but I'm struggling to think of a time since shadoweep that everything was really screwed without big smoke man go pop.
Guardians have gone from being mythic heroes who have to be used in surgical strikes to just barely keep us alive to merely being a super elite force that's kind of taken for granted.
We haven't become legend, we diminished.
Mm. Which is weird, because we've had a lot of our vulnerability disregarded by the story. Corruption was one of our biggest threats and we completely no sell it. They mostly stop referencing our constant attrition rate or the fact that going to places outside of Earth was actually really rare prior to the Red War. Like, as we've grown more powerful in terms of what we do in the narrative, we feel less powerful. It's the same thing with the stakes. The higher the stakes are, the lower the stakes feel.
It's the classic video game protagonist problem, especially bad in MMO's. Where the more the game jerks you off about how powerful and amazing you are, the less powerful and amazing anything you do actually feels. @@SymbioteMullet
@ASpaceOstrich I think the problem more comes from our guardian being a blank slate that likes and interacts with who bungie says they do. Every time we get an interesting lore bit where we get to choose something it ultimately goes nowhere because bungie wants everyone to have the same story. Remember choosing to side with the drifter or the vanguard (but not really the vanguard because Ikora's dog was not following orders)? It never went anywhere. Choosing to slay the knight in the adventure on titan or Mithrax? Doesn't matter, canonically we spared Mithrax ( and I distinctly remember killing both in one sword strike and saying the only good Zeno is a dead one but got no unique dialog because bungie didn't consider we'd kill both regardless of if we put thought to it or not), we didn't have the option to side with savathun when in the lore she very clearly liked the idea of working with our guardian specifically regardless of if she would have used us for her own gain I mean we're just a gun with paracausal power to the vanguard. The only one who made an effort to truely call us friend was Cayde and he's dead.... for now. We didn't get to side with the different factions in the city when they made their decisions after the endless night ect. Those plot lines got lost in the sauce in favor of a more over arching story about us fighting the travelers biggest simp who has the most EXTREME nihilistic views and is trying to force them on the universe. The only saving grace we have is how people in lore reacted to Amanda's death and what Saint 14 did the moment he heard savathun was back and we finished our business with her in season of the witch. Stories like that keep the universe grounded because bungie is still scared of player choice and lasting consequences
Byf, Corsairs can leave the Dreaming City at any time. But if they do, they can't come back in. Petra and the Guardians can come and go. Anyone else can go, but they can't come back. That's what made the curse so devious. Savathun set up a win/win scenario for herself. The awoken have to fight for the city over and over. If the stay, Savathun gained power from the fighting. If they chose to leave, Savathun's forces would come closer and closer to winning, gaining access to the distributary (and at the time, this was in pursuit of gaining the ability to make Imbaru real, but Bungie forgot that Imbaru was Savathuns goal, not a power she actually has).
A whole bunch of corsairs have left the loop already. Dialogue from the one who gets wounded and bleeds out every cycle has confirmed this. She's mentioned that several friends have left already, but she's decided to stick it out, despite her particularly bad fate each loop. If she decided she wanted to leave, she could do so. The loop only enforces your actions to be the same if you're staying. It lets you leave.
I will now be imagining the Witness slowly flaoting to where it builds the monolith with jetsons car sounds
It makes a certain degree of sense. Mara's will is indomitable and her mastery of the ascendant plane would put her on the level of a hive god should she successfully claim the taken. The curse on the dreaming city could possibly be twisted to her advantage maybe?
She could indeed revert the Dreaming City’s curse from an attack to a defense mechanism? 🤨
Plausibly possible there is a way to possibly not to lift the curse of the dreaming scene but to reduce its effect speaking from riven created the dreaming city with the awoken. She knows the inside out of the places, mainly because of the wish and the wish that’s savathun asked, but ever since the witness got an inside, the traveler taken are now following the witness by the list of power vacuum in soul like the other TH-cam says the witness is inside the traveler and currently it has no surveillance on any guardian from the outside, it would mainly apply to the other taken because it has limit control But they are very few hive gods and in ruins war lord there has been proof that taken have been following orders of a wish dragon a dead one mainly it proves that Mara might be the last and powerful being in soul. The reason are now listening is because she’s literally powerful than hive god of war been cut off from her throne world literally so they’re literally power vacuum for the taking a follow any leader, but I think bungee might have an idea to lift the curse of the dream city, there’s a trick to it I think probably a theory of mine the curse was to be wish. If by chance Mara becomes like riven as a spirit, she might have access to the curse of the dreaming city not lift it, but to reduce it that might be possible but exploring the fact to control taken is a bad idea, the ticket have been under influenced by both the witness or and the hive gods. In fact, it’s a very bad idea in case in the future of Desitny of the final shape might betray us big risk.
Ghost was not having her bs in that dialogue 💀💀
Bro is sassy as hell and I love it
@@nezerac13standing up to savathun then his masterclass vs Mara ghost is savage
@@nezerac13 I really miss his dialogue he’s so quite but I assumed it’s because someone said he canonically depressed now
I think it can be inferred that Mara’s experiment worked.
Osiris didn’t ask, so Mara didn’t say.
Osiris was only interested in the implications of an ally wielding that power, not necessarily whether it worked or not.
That's the vibe I was getting too
This could be the next step in the story of the Taken. The Witness is about to go down, Xivu has no hold on them anymore, nor does Savathun since losing Quria. Mara has seen the power first hand, back from the days of Oryx. Now, what she plans to do with that power...
I wonder, does that leave Drifter in the best position to take over the Taken? It's been a long time since the Haul has been relevant to the plot, so I forget sometimes that Drifter has a unique ability in regards to the Taken. Can he control Taken he didn't create? I got the impression he found the primevals, rather than making them himself.
@@ASpaceOstrichhis taken are different as he created them for gambit I believe but an interesting concept
Man Petra is truely something else. I know everyone was on Amanda for being the best non guardian, but come on, the dedication and perseverance of Petra is rivaled by none. Not even us Guardians. And I dare to say not even by the queen herself. Petra would rather be banging her head against the wall fighting for her people than let any of them die again. Even if the curse brings them back
Yet she will always follow her own code, nether even falter
Best Ghost line I absolutely forgot about: 11:49
Petra been my favorite non-guardian character since D1
@@icarusrising2787 absolutely agree
Even in D1 I loved how she was a fun but exciting character in class of Devrim, Sloane, I remember reading asher taking potshots at the pyramids
Ironically her recent development into someone who isn't just playing a cosmic level chess game might have lead to this temptation. Now she's not just moving Carsair's as pieces, now she's commanding actual living people. Any way to reduce loss of life is going to tug at the back of any commander's mind in such a position.
So Mara should talk to the Drifter. I know we haven't brought up Gambit in a minute, but isn't that what he has been doing this entire time. The purpose of Gambit and his Bank?
The way the drifter summons primevals is (according to lore tabs) through a power he received from the Nine.
Drifter can't actually control the taken he summons. It's why we rarely ever see him use them 9utside of gambit
He can control the primevals to some degree. He's used them to wipe out a Cabal force. @@antiope-d9780
"Its a burden only I can bear"
Elisabeth Bray:
I am hoping that we do get an in-universe explanation as to why the Taken forces we've been fighting up until now have been comprised of the Races we are familiar with. We know that other species have been Taken though I guess they were elsewhere when Oryx came to Sol and when we killed him those distant forces could no longer be called upon?
If the in-lore explanation is just “they’re the units that killed the best” as sword logic dictates, I guess that isn’t the worst thing.
in lore probably because none of them have survived long. In gameplay bungie hates "overdelivering"
Taken emperor raven, my God taken other races would be sick
Imagine if an Ahamkara had overheard Mara's desire to gain control over the Taken. Wouldn't be hard to envision how an Ahamkara could easily twist such a wish by making Mara Sov Taken herself. Mara's will would probably be strong enough that she MIGHT retain independence and control over herself, but......she would make an interesting Destiny 3 villain if she became corrupted, all because of the chaos of Wish Magic.
KELGORATH, KELGORATH, KELGORATH, KELGORATH
TAKEN FRO- oh wait, we need a new one?
@@dropkick3024BONES FROM TAKEN? 😂
Kelgorath is the only one strong enough to control the taken, well besides the player of course
@@KelgorothTheFinalShape Well said!
We are due for a new Kelgorath form hell taniks too why not
11:50 This still gets me to this day lol, I love Ghost !
Petra venj be clever with that burn to Osiris about his Exile to the Infinite Forest.
Mara pondering whether she could take control of the Taken: that alone could present a very interesting shift in power across Sol. Similar to Eris using the power of the Hive.
Her doing so with a dozen Ahamkara eggs in her basement.... now that's something
Mara Sov IMO is the hardest character since D1, for me to ever understand. She’s such an enigma , I love her character but wish I knew what her real goal is. It’s like Bungie IS Mara Sov lol
I know right she is the most mysterious character in the game so far for me we know so much about her yet nothing aswell
I'm pretty sure Mara's goal has always been to defend humanity. She's no longer just doing so on her own terms, she's learned to be way more open and trusting with her allies.
She's simply a character who seeks unique power in order to protect the system that she knows. The only problem with that is that she twisted that sense of protection into an unmitigated level of control over others because it was always easier to be tactful and secretive while on the surface proclaiming some form of greater purpose for those that serve her. Not to mention how she was always selfish with and would withhold the power she obtained. The change in her character comes not from her change in morals, because they really haven't changed, but with how she's now open to politics rather than some illuminati type shit and how she offers power to others instead of keeping it for herself.
Although tbh, for me personally, I'd like to see her vent that desire for control by taking the reigns of the taken. Not to mention how it could spell big things for her singular hidden taken ahamkara egg...
Mara: Wish i could control the taken. L
Me years ago after Kings Fall: sooo we taking the Kings mantle and control over the Taken and Hive, right? Right?
Has Mara Sov ever spoken to/met the Drifter who has experience with Taken?
Nope never
As Guardians we're Paracausal beings. We could probably pull all of the Awoken effected by the loop out of the Dreaming City at the beginning of the next cycle with little to no casualties so Osiris's plan to vacate and live to fight another day is actually a pretty good plan despite the fact that Petra wouldn't go for it.
I am scared that Bungie is not going to land Cayde coming back. We know he is going to reunite with Zavala and Ikora, but i'm way more interested in Crow, Petra, Eris and specially the Guardian. We are not suppposed to be just one of the many guardians, we are technically Cayde's favorite and friend, the one who went on a rampage to avenge him, and got the ace of spades personally. Also important characters like Drifter who he has a past, Saint who was pressumed dead, the death oh Holiday, our alliance with Mythrax and Ciatl and most important of all... Colonel the Chicken.
I haven't looked, but this content would make for a great podcast. This was amazing to listen to as I created some designs for my day job. Thank you, Byf.
Also remember the Queen's wrath and Variks successfully experimented on Taken in the Prison of Elders.
And there is plenty of data from The Tower side of things on the taken. Lots of it. It isn't unlikely that the information from both sides, if not just one, would be enough to find a way.
at 15:48 right now and if i don't hear any mention of the drifter's control over the taken, or the nine's, imma lose it
I’m curious if maybe the result of the Echoes episode will cause a chain reaction with the vex researchers, etc that will lead to the curse finally being broke
Not even the Vex can stop a curse that was initiated by a WISH… Wish magic cannot be reverted; that is one of the solidified LAWS of the Destiny Universe
Drifter in my mind is the key to the taken. He will carry the mantle
Weren’t we scolded by Xivu & Toland multiple times for not taking the Taken King’s throne?
Mara could become the most powerful being in the universe, if she learns to control the Taken. And she already has 6 Ahamkara that will likely be very close to her. And that's how she ends the Curse: she wishes it away.
I would love to see Nokris take control of the taken. Before anyone says he is dead please bear in mind that his necromancies and connection to xol has brought him back before, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume he'd come back again (and no he never had his own throne world so dying in the ascendant plane isn't proof that he can't come back). He and Savathun made a deal. Savathun gained knowledge of his necromancy and he gained knowledge of "the dreaming mind's talent". For those who don't know the "dreaming mind" is Quoria Blade Transformed, a vex mind that Oryx took but not before it was able to simulate his younger self. It was gifted to Savathun who used it to simulate Oryx's ability to create and control the taken before we destroyed it in the season of the splicer. If Nokris does come back and without the Witness to assert absolute dominion over the taken, he could very well become the next Taken King (I bet he'd love to gloat over his dead father's corpse if that ever happened).
so if you just need a strong enough will, could a guardian control the taken? or would our light fight it off?
Ive recently been made aware of your content from aztecross videos and since then I’ve been consumed with all the lore and learning more about destiny. With that out the way tho, i wonder if mara’s intentions isn’t to wield the taken power for war strength but in order to save her people. We have had missions in which we have saved techeuns from bein taken, so what if mara gained the power to take the awoken stuck in the dreaming city and then release them. Couldn’t that effectively release them from the curse or the dreaming city?
I remember doing the taken blight event and was going heroic and instead of a taken boss it was a god dang tormentor if i did it on neomoona not to much of a surprise was not expecting tormentors in the dreaming city
Bungie needs to give us an end to the dreaming city, whether it’s through an end of the curse or the city being destroyed somehow. It’s been too long both in game and irl, if it meant that it got DCVed I’d be fine with that, they’ve drawn it out too long and I’m almost done caring about the cycle. Is the destruction of the city lesser of an evil if we can never break the curse?
The awoken need to just leave and come to earth or the reed. Close the dreaming city
Dreaming city will never be closed it's a really powerful place for awoken Mara's throne world the wishing wall and everything lies there
@@ahmedimranimran5100The Wishing Wall has been finished… The 15th Wish has been granted and Riven has officially passed. It has no use unless the uncorrupted clutch hatches soon, and Mara’s Throneworld is how Riven succesfully seeped the Taken corruption into the Dreaming City… After Oryx corrupted it, Riven’s wishmagic made use of that to corrupt the entire city. We put a pause to it through the Shattered Throne dungeon; so that story is finished too.
@@ahmedimranimran5100 i know about all the lore implications but it’s been far too long since the curse started and we’re nowhere near breaking it, along with Mara stating that we can’t break it.
Ghosts, sometimes referred to as souls in the lore, were once inside of the Traveler, only released during the Collapse. This sounds a lot like the souls trapped in the Witness. And I think in the end the Witness literally wants to unplug the game itself, so there is no more dying or rebirth.
Byf, i know you wont see this but i do wonder considering immaru isnt dead and the lucent brood is still around is it possible that we could team up with savathun to ressurect oryx properly and somehow convince him to help mara with controlling the taken. Maybe we could convince him through showung him the memories that we had shown savathun. It may convince him as he has been known to disobey rules.
Something I think is extremely overlooked is the possibility for the guardian to control the taken to a degree. Sure. This idea could partly be wishful thinking of a taken subclass. But at the same time. Would it not make sense? We have time and time again proven ourselves of an extreme will. Something which is required to command then. On top of that, after the final shape we will have beaten nearly every being that has claimed dominance over the taken. Showing to a degree that we are more powerful. I don't know, I guess it would be hard to implement as all guardians would need to have access to it. Not just the main one. Regardless this is something that I feel makes a ton of sense in the lore and would also be very cool
Love the lore and the story
The taken ahamkara egg. A wish dragon unable to defy under maras control
Imagine Mara falls, but is either redeemed or saved at the last moment, by the return of sjur Eido..
I’m still waiting for Toland to try and make a grab for control of the taken
8:00 I’m not so sure Mara would have brought it up at all if she had failed.
If this is where things are going and she gains control over the taken after the witness' defeat, I hope she finally hatches that singular taken ahamkara egg while the techeuns hatch the regular eggs and train them themselves
Ngl I really hope that's where Mara's story is headed. The Battle of the Dreaming City and all the mysteries, intrigue and secrets tied up in it is my favourite storyline in Destiny, and I'm glad to see its not being neglected. Can't wait to see what comes next, but boy oh boy do I hope Sjur Eido is involved. Time to save Mara's gf!
So what if we use a counter wish magic and combine that with the power of the Forest since it isn't destroyed if I am right?
It is just a idea.
Unfortunately according to both Ahamkara and Lore Tabs about wishmagic; Wishes cannot be reverted, not even by other wishes.
Wild speculation: Heresy is gonna be an expansion on this concept, but in the end Mara doesn't succeed, Eris does.
Eris has rejected the sword logic; she won’t be accepted by the Hive magic again…
@_elitenightmare4794 true! But considering the witness basically invented them and Mara attempted controlling them, I doubt hive magic is necessary, just darkness.
Look who joined the match. It is 100% hilarious
To say that Oryx was simply "gifted" that power, equating his control to those like Xivu Arath, Eramis, or even Quiria is a huge understatement of his power. If anyone had come close to the Witness in terms of the power to "Take", it would be Oryx. Savathun and Mara sov might have a chance to take his mantle, but I think unless Oryx somehow returns, once the Witness is defeated, the Taken will be extinct.
The Dreaming city do a blood-bowl of souless armies?
I honestly trust Mara with that power. More than I'd trust most of the other entities able to exert control of the Taken, honestly.
I haven't forgotten who stuffed Savathun's worm into a grenade launcher, then handed it to us and said "Keep it close. It won't be able to shut the hell up."
More to the point, I haven't forgotten that Mara pledged herself to help us free the Shadow Legion's prisoners. Not because it benefited her personally, not because of Crow, but because the Guardians have proven themselves to be allies of the Awoken.
I fully believe that if Mara was able to take control of the Taken in the Dreaming City, she'd use them only to help repel the attackers. I'll admit, fighting alongside the Taken sounds like a nice change from trying desperately to kill 5 of the bastard Psions before they can all turn into 10.
This reminds me of what she tried to do with Oryx's throne. I wonder if she won't use the opportunity to fill the power vacuum once we defeat the witness. We'd be handing the opportunity to her on a silver platter.
Comment for the algorithm! Thanks for narrating the lore I don't have time to read haha
What about Sloane? Use her 'taken radio' to broadcast Mara's will?
"The awoken would be the strongest army in the coalition"
Guardians with the craftening enabled.
That's all I have to say
It's all because of the plot twist Queen Mara and the awoken are the most powerful rn
6:40 is when the video starts. If you care about the point of the video
Mara speaks with direct purpose. imo, "I ordered it to stop" is exactly what she means. She protesting it as a revelation. Because it worked. But it was just one Taken. So she's not sure about whether it would work en masse. But the fact that it worked in the Confluence - a place where she has power - carries an obvious, larger implication.
I think if it had not worked, Mara would have confessed that detail. She's always been written with vulnerability; a willingness to share her despairs and her worries with us. And her relationship with Osiris has become one of immense trust. Otherwise, no way she would have abided him literally restraining her with Strand in front of Riven. At least, my take.
We know from the laid off Bungie staff leaks that the curse on the DC DOES get lifted, via Ahamkara (hence why Bungie are saying the season is NOT over yet), but apparently the 3-week cycle will remain.
The day the curse is broken is when the Dreamy City gets vaulted, or in a new game.
Do we know what enemy race we will be fighting in the final shape? Either way, how are they going to get inside the traveler? If we are having to go through hurdles to get there, how are they?
The only enemies inside the Traveler will be Taken that the Witness took with him on the few pyramid ships that entered alongside him, and the Subjugators. Possibly a little bit of shadow legion too but that’s about it
Now this is gonna be interesting...
What about the drifter and his taken?
I want to see cabal awoken and fallen following us in one last fight I final shape
Queen Mara: What I need to do is my burden...
Ghost: sure, lady 😑
This would literally be her taking oryx's mantle
The Witness, Crow and Cayde are playing go fish in there until june
I don’t think she can control them all. But to control any is a possibility. We killed Oryx, left his throne open much to Toland’s scorn. Mara took that power. Oryx had the power to take, She also has an indomitable will and has been in the witness’ mental presence before. She mentions this in a WQ mission with Eris on the Europa pyramid.
She might not be their master, but she could become their lieutenant.
well maybe once we kill the Witness after the Raid and drive it its power from the Traveler it can use its own power to finely break the curs loop
Savathun’s what has joined???5:00
Byf what about Sloan that was using taken armor. She was half taken. Could she be a factor?
How come the taken haven’t taken hold of a guardian yet?
"As seen with Sloane the light resists any attempt to 'take' a guardian, even if such an attempt was successful it would likely consume the light removing the power and immortality such a husk formally had"- My Warlock
What about the unnamed Disciple?
Honestly, if Mara ever does want to control the power of the Taken, there is but one place she can go to, Titan, where Oryx's remains are still buried within the depths of the methane ocean. The reason I bring this up is because his body still radiates Taken Energy despite him being dead for a very long time. We were able to secure the remains after Ghosts in the Deep, and if Mara can get even the approval of Ikora, Mara might gain the title of Taken Queen.
It's a massive stretch, I know, but it's something to consider given the power vacuum the forces of the Taken are currently in. Xivu Arath has been banished from her Throne World, the Disciples are dead, the Witness has left their forces outside of the Pale Heart in order to satisfy its selfish desires for the Final Shape. To take a quote from Spider-Man:
"With great power comes great responsibility."
If Mara can resist the corrupting power of the Taken and use it in a way to help not only her people within the Dreaming City, but for The Coalition, she will be the greatest force that the Witness ever dared faced, but if Mara fails and falls to corruption, then we will have to take her down, no matter what.
Only time will tell.
Can we start asking how new taken are being made with the witness gone?
Xivu can take.
@@Banana-BoiNo she cannot, she never could… Taken aren’t being made; the reason why we keep finding more is because every time we kill a taken, it just comes back from the Ascendant Plane… Xivu can only control taken, not Take herself because she never took on the mantle of the Taken King. Hence her cries of “Heresy” in the voicelines of the Ghosts of the Deep voicelines.
What if saloan became the new queen if the taken...and was able to use them to help us in the final shape
If mara gets corrupted then the dark future will still come to pass but done differently. Get this the witch queen was eris in the dark future. With ana bray as a disciple along with savathun and aramis.
What if now its mara who is corrupted cuz ana is on our side n so is eris morn. Iroka is still alive n so is zavala but what if mara is who we have to fight b4 entering the traveler. Like she is a secret disciple cuz she has been communicating with someone like of u recall the parasite mission she has that sudden pause like she was communicating with someone. I think mara might turn on us or maybe not. Lets see what happens at the end.
We’re going to fight Mara after the Witness is defeated. She is gonna be pissed when her brother dies and she’s going to blame us and want revenge
Here's a question - if Mara did take control of the Taken, could she use Qoria to break the curse? As a Taken Vex Mind who could then theoretically be commanded to assist an Ahamkara/Whim (assuming we hatch Riven's eggs and bargain properly with her Whims), is there a possibility that the curse could be broken?
I can't remember if Qoria has been killed by Guardians or not but if I recall correctly, Taken cannot actually be killed - in a manner similar to Ascendant Hive, they have an extradimensional space they return to instead of dying.
Quria was killed back in season of the splicer.
Cant the drifter control the taken? Or is that different?
"There must always be a lic... taken king"
It could be as simple as just giving up. Stop the Awoken from fighting back. Let the taken win. Stop the fight at key points in time leading up to the reset to see if it changes the outcome.
What about Sloane?? Can she be a good candidate?? I mean she's a guardian and she's in-between light n dark now and she's a powerful guardian as well💪🤔
After TFS who knows where they'll take the story. I wouldn't mind a dungeon where we have to uncorrupt mara
I've said since we found out she tried to take the Osmium Throne WE. CANT. TRUST. HER.
Taken subclass confirmed btw
This game feels like a Marvel movie
Taken Queen Mara?
"Prime evil on the field!"
Of course bungie won’t give us taken abilities but I still think it’s finally time for our guardian to taken the taken throne.
All hail the taken queen!
I feel like Guardians might be strong candidates to lead small Taken contingents, but not the entire army. We actively wield both Light and Dark in a day-to-day setting, would it really be that far-fetched for us to be able to control a handful of Taken as disposable allies? C'mon Bungie, let us wield Taken energy and corrupt our foes from the inside out!
The Taken are not dead, right? As far as I understand, they’re stuck in a different plane of existence where only their Taker’s will exists. Wouldn’t it make more sense for Mara to use this power to release them from their bondage?
Still wish it could have been us, with taken powers.
I'm still not convinced Mara isn't under the influence of Savathun. :eyeroll:
That being said, I'm just waiting for Sloan to go to war.
Mara is too powerful even the witness couldn't control her mind u think savathun can lol
Sloane won’t be going to war anytime soon; as she knows all to well that the more she fights, the more she empowers Xivu Arath, which in turn increases her Taken hold on Sloane.
@ahmedimranimran5100 influence and control are two different things, you would do well to remember that. Mara has arguably been influenced by Savathun before, she did kill her, after all. She even though it was her own idea. Savathun has been integral to this year of story, you could almost say she has influence over all of us right now.
@@_elitenightmare4794 Bravery inspires Devotion, Devotion inspires Sacrifice. Considering what we've seen of Sloane, I wouldn't put it past her given a good reason... only for it to turn right back around and do something terrible. "Taken Guardian Sloane- Avatar of Xivu Arath", the final Boss at the end of the Black Terrace Raid for example...
Likewise I'm a bit surprised with all the 'tithes' we've thrown Xivu's way we aren't slightly taken yet.
YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS! TAKEN SUBCLASS CONFIRMED
I was so confused, I play the game in Spanish and she said she commanded a fallen not a taken
Lol Mara be Queen of Dimensional-space-Zombies.
Nezarec is still alive. We destroyed his physical body not his mind. He will be around after final shape.