But the point is, if Joey never got his degree, he would never be where he is. There are countless guys that have come thru Ohio State and have benefit greatly from being athletes, but Joey is right, nothing is more important than the educational piece. All you hear is, pay the athlete. It should be, pay the student athlete. They are students first.
Every football player at Ohio state especially Joey was getting paid underneath the table and we know a college degree is important but he talking about how a degree is important it is but u know most of these guys are struggling just to make it at college with the basic essentials on campus
@@jsmiles17 in theory they are student athletes not in application. That's the larger issue. At Power 5 schools in revenue generating sports you being a top tier academic while is college is peripheral if that. You are there as an instrument of the institution to generate revenue. The most pressing dynamic is financial literacy. Having a degree doesn't mean you are knowledgeable about what to do with any given lump some of money.
Yeah pay these guys and don’t hold them accountable in the classroom. Yeah right. These guys can barely put two sentences together and they want to get paid to play college ball? It shouldn’t even be a question.
Ticket sales for one game - $5,000,000+ Jersey Sales - $50 - $100+ per jersey Concession Revenue - $600,000+ TV Revenue - $50,000,000 - $200,000 Totally School Revenue - $20,000,000 - $200,000,000 Cost of college for 4 years - < $300,000 People buy tickets to see players play, buy food while watching players play, buy player jersey because they like watching player play, people pay for television which most cost is for sports channels.
If I don’t go to college I can’t make good decisions with money?? Wrong…. If I don’t get my degree and make 2 million dollars with nil,how do you compare that to the college grad who only makes 1-2 hundred k a year with college DEBT…..EASY CHOICE
Here's the thing they want you to believe that the way it's done is just so much better because of the professional aspect of sports The reality is and this is a well known fact that college athletes are amateur sports players therefore they should be compensated And we're we're talking about people who whether they have scholarship or not will have significant debt when they get out of school whether they go on to professional sports or not they still have to find work to provide income for themselves this is a mute point when you look at the conferences in sent just the ncaa all of the conferences exploit players of all sports to make money because they know they don't have to pay them therefore they could get away with whatever they want and no one has the gusts to stop it I think we're finally on the right track for leveling the playing field taking the power from the conferences give it to the colleges as to who is going to get paid and how much treat it like the amateur sports that it is and you're going to basically have a much better environment because what happens if these players have a career ending injury and they don't have health insurance because they can't afford it because there a full time student how much money is that injury gonns cost they're gonna have a $100,000 in medical debt instantaneously that's just 1 of the issues
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College is not a business, it is an educational institution. Students are there to get an education first and the activities they engage in our second. Even if that activity generates revenue for the institution. Those hired to teach or run the institution, administration, even if you coach a sport your purpose is to educate or support the operation for the purpose of educating students. Athletes are students. If you do not like the compensation do not attend, no one is forcing you either via scholarship or otherwise. Stay home or if no scholarship work your way through school. Tons of students have done it before and many will do it again in the future. Don't go and go pro if you do not like it. If coaches do not like it leave. My child went to college and part of his tuition cost was money that went towards admission to athletic events whether they wanted to attend them or not. I get the revenue generation of athletics but that goes to the institution not the players. In high school athletics generates some money there too but the students only get it through improvements in things for the school itself. New uniforms, new exercise equipment, improvements to playing surfaces, most improvements contingent on the success of the teams in competition but not paid specifically to players. So hypothetically, if you do pay college athletes, how is the money distributed? Certainly a star player will want more and more. What about kids that know they are not good enough for the next level? Will they fight for extra eligibility in college just to stick around and get paid? Look at other countries too. Some countries competition to get into college when compared to the numbers trying and the population is absurd. Many come to the United States to get an education and work. Despite sports lasting popularity at all levels including professional, the outcome of such competition while temporarily joyful and even more profitable for winners and less for losers, the ultimate benefit at the end of the day is what? Does it add to the possibility of curing cancer for example? If your team wins what does the fan get from that? It is essentially a dream world for fans of sports. It is essentially an activity with a beginning and end to no means. Because of the revenue it generates also, more students academically can have the opportunity via their grades in high school to have tuition assistance to attend college. You crybabies want money, go pro. Lebron James could never have made it as a student so he just went pro.
If you just play at Notre Dame or Bama or OU you get the best job offers the rest of your lives, every one of them. Money can’t buy those benefits. Get real.
They should at least get a few hundred dollars allowance weekly to cover stuff that the school doesn't cover like insurance on a students car plane ticket home for holidays . Then have a big pay out of $50000 after graduation and only if they graduate if the go pro before graduating they don't get the money this money can be used for med school for some kids or docrite.or transitioning from school to work
North Carolina and Notre Dame are still playing football EVEN THOUGH their schools are closed. Let that sink in. ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS ARE AT HOME. Football players are required to stay at school to play ball. Sounds like employees to me.
Allow them to make money off of NIL each year. Then take a percentage of revenue and put it in a trust fund for the player that they gain access to once they graduate. If they don't graduate use that money to pay for operating costs or the next player's trust fund. This way you encourage players to get their degree while also letting players earn money for their efforts on the field. Seems like the best compromise possible imo.
The team, the school and the NCAA do not care if they graduate, in fact they push them to do things that hurt their educational pursit. D1 athletics is a full time job and school is always 2ndary. Atletes are a resource to be exploited, squeeze all the value out of them and toss in trash and replace with a newer, younger model. This is how everyone with their hand in the pot looks at the players
Absolutely not. The NCAA should not pay athletes. The NCAA should elevate the requirements to get into a University. Athletes should be 3.0 GPA students to be admitted, and athletes should maintain a 3.0 GPA to remain eligible to play sports. Division I and Division II athletes are notorious for low SAT scores. That should come to a stop today.
Neogamerfort I played football in Oklahoma just in high school and my sons team won the state championship one year and this rich guy bought the whole team championship rings. That ring got him through every door in the world. Then he went to OU and was elected president of sigma alpha epsilon. Can you imagine wearing a ring from any big college? You get swooned over.
Neogamerfort Only a small percentage got the NFL the rest get a great education and benefits money just can’t buy, you play for OU and walk into a job interview at a Know OU fan and if there’s fifty other applicants guess who will get the job?
Sealambert I’ve seen it all my life, I was born and raised in Oklahoma and everyone of those ex players have top jobs unless they were criminals and even then some.
Ronnie Bishop I understand and respect your answer. The reason for my rebuttal is because ALOT has changed since those days were a full-ride scholarships is all you need. But when it gets to a point with the elevation of money generating within the combination of almost all sectors (coaching staff, athletic directors, university presidents, league conferences, networks, sponsors, etc.,) can surpass billions of dollars 💵) all around you as a student athlete and you are producing the most work and cannot get a cent. That is not right. If not paying them a stipend, at least allow them to receive endorsements and earn income using their likeness.
ace ventura I was and my brother was and got a degree and became a pilot for Delta. Everyone is not wanting to play in the NFL even if they could. Most people want a degree whether they play sports or not. I guess some extra money would be ok, but 99% don’t play very well. Only 6 teams do. Usually.
Like I dont think anybody is expecting a fortune from this, it could even probably be less than minimum wage like maybe a deal like waiters have, its $X per hour on the field and practice and workouts plus tips. Each player would have a TIPJAR account setup for bonuses from jerseys and NCAA21 video games. If someone downloads your current starting team you get a team bonus. If they download you specifically you get more of a share from that DLC. I think this would promote all the athletes to want to be better for the team and for their selves. You could even have a 2nd and 3rd string DLC package for that team. This would help youtube content from getting too out of hand too for simulated match-up videos. That person would have to have bought your player already to make that video. But I doubt that is even an important issue because the gaming industry is a multi billion dollar industry. The amount of money coleges and players would make is way more than some kids single video on youtube that may get a few thousand views. It just gets on my nerves, I feel like even as everything is right now, there is a way to make the NCAA video games and still be fair. Its like nobody want to even touch it and i just don't get it. It can be done.
I thought they already solved this and 2021 was going to be when players can get royalties from their likeness name and number? I must have missed the final on that. The EA NCAA football video game news was talking about it a lot last year and how the new rule is good news for a new video game coming out soon. I'm guessing it didn't pass but yeah they need to take these stupid restrictions away from athletes. When the video game comes out, you have to know that the video game industry is a multi billion dollar industry too, this would only bring more money to the colleges and a small percentage would be going to the player's. The schools would be getting a much larger piece of the pie. And something else, the next gen of consoles are on the way, games could be $80 per copy. If money is a problem, just make the game just like other companies have been doing for years and that is Special editions and DLC, you can either buy a retail price that has a fake roster, or a special edition that is $20 more or whatever, $50 more. People will pay to have it. I've paid over$100 for a special edition before. You could even have DLC packages of individual teams and individual players to control the royalties accuratly. The game technology has changed a lot since 2014 . I really don't understand how it hasn't been done yet becausethis is a lot of potential money just setting there. You could even have the games come out a year after each season to get the player landscape figured out, and even have a credit system set up for all players where they get the money later after their college football career. There are so many ways to make it work. For the jersey sale part of it, that has to be through the college and their own stores in their own states. And online shops.
First make all them get admitted to college via the same process all students have to use and same for transfers. Then they can "apply" to play on the football team as if they get the job then they are eligible for a scholarship and all players can be paid as work study at the same rate as any student can get. Colleges are for education so make the football or basketball respectful of that.
Excuses .. justifications to keep current systems.. that’s all I’m hearing from two of these guys.. Everyone is profiting from players. Everyone except players.
Free tuition, room and board, and food! Sounds like a good deal to me! In most cases that is quite a bit of money plus with that education a whole lot of extra lifetime salary!
Bro, Joey stop it. Why does anybody want an education? To make money. Nowadays, a college education doesn't get you much. There are a ton of unemployed college educated people out here now. You can buy a college education. I hope the college players strike and demand 50% of the revenue. That's what they deserve...
You’re funny. Pay these guys to be employees of the university and they got into a major university with a 2.0 of that. You think a college education doesn’t get you much? Tell that to a physician or a lawyer. Don’t be so naive, kid.
@@runninrebel1520 An education which that lawyer and physician PAID for. Give the players the money they deserve and let them decide what to do with it. Right now, these players are being taken advantage of, period...
$125 per week,after taxes. Enough spending money to function as a student on campus. Laundry,money for a movie,burger or what not. Keep the focus on getting the degree for big money payoff down the line.
If collage players get paid all players should get paid the same amount no matter the position because they will get paid a lot more in the NFL . They all should be Equal in collage no deserves more than anyone Else. If you pay someone more than another thats pro sports. So no i would think that they would deserve mpre than each other.
That's the whole problem. Football players are generally 'low IQ individuals'. Their SAT scores have been well below the median level for over 20 years.
@@russellkempe3231 they’re not generally low IQ, they just spend their time on playing sports over studying for exams. I question your IQ for making such a generalization
Let's get to the real issue here. The issue here is that college sports has become a multi-billion dollar business. See thats the problem. If that wasn't the case - then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no problem. Colleges should be in the business of educating students. Period. Not being part of a multi-billion dollar business thats centered around the same students they should be educating. See theres a conflict of interest. You cant be part of a multi-billion dollar business and have amateurism at the same time. Jay is saying the all other students can go out and make money for themselves and doesn't see the difference. There is a difference. The college athletes are on tv, providing the entertainment that is central to the multi-billion dollar business that he speaks of. The tv contracts, the advertisers, etc. Regular students that go out and work at Papa Johns delivering pizza are not part of that business. Thats the difference Jay and it's the central problem at the same time. The real question, is why did we allow things to get so out of hand? I know that theres money to be made in sports but sports should be secondary and we've made it out to be the primary focus. If colleges can't survive without money generated from college sports then thats their problem. They shouldn't be dependent on that, since their focus should be on Education. Not sports. By the way Jay - they are getting paid. For instance, to live on campus at the University of Florida, includes tuition, dorms, meals and everything else is about $21,000 per year. When they graduate they have a degree and don't have $80,000+ in debt to pay back to the feds. They also have other grants and or stipends that would leave money in their pocket. Also those figures are for in-state residents. Usually that number doubles for non-residents.. so if you are a football player, playing for Florida as a non-resident your school debt would be around $160,000.
You do know that these football and basketball teams fund scholarships for other sports,don't you ? Many school depend on football for at least 25% of schools yearly income.
I don’t think people realize how much money these athletic departments put into their football programs to ensure the student athletes have literally the best of everything.
@@runninrebel1520 degrees have nothing to do with it. Its nepotism and about the money. Why should an AD make over a million a year and coaches make $9m a year when players get nothing. Who is putting their bodies and lives on the line every week? Who loses everything if they get injured doing their job? Break your leg at work? Cool your fired, your ins is cancelled and you get nothing. Good luck
They don't care about the degree so why should the university. Pay them and be done with them. And make sure to pay the walk ons too. They work just as many hours in practice with no scholarship.
You're sort of right, but it's the other way around, the university doesn't care about the degree, so thus the students end up not caring about the degree. The attitude flows downward. It's possible some student athletes go into college not caring about the degree, but that attitude of caring about the degree should first be exuded by the college; and they've shown they don't care about the degree from how they treat their football and basketball college athletes (for example, their sports schedules and how they can interrupt with school work).
Jay Bilas graduated from Duke and Law School debt free. Basically $200K of free education. Not bad if you ask the average college student that has student loan debt when they graduate.
He was rewarded with a scholarship for being an athlete. He worked for it. Just like the law students out there that worked to get a full-ride scholarship too. But the difference is that Jay Bilas didn’t just work hard to earn the scholarship like other students, he was required to play basketball during school, and he made the university substantial amounts of money while he was there. The other law student with a full-ride could’ve gotten awful grades all throughout law school, and made zero money for the school, yet he or she would still have the scholarship.
@@KevinWidesouls Um Jay Bilas didn't go to Law School on a basketball scholarship. He graduated from Duke with zero debt. And had the financial means to attend duke law school. Your point is Moot.
Darryl Nelson I thought you were implying in your original comment that law school was part of Jay’s athletic scholarship (I think technically it could be for someone who graduated undergrad early and decided to go to law school since athletic eligibility is 5 years, I’m not sure though). Regardless, just swap “law school” with “undergrad” in my comment and the point would remain. Students earn scholarships for undergrad based on what they did in high school.
The cost of living changes every year and that affects the student athlete as well. As time passes money becomes a bigger and bigger issue for resources that will help them survive.
Why is it that Jay is mostly right and he's a Dukie? GO HEELS!!!! The schools have been making BILLIONS of dollars over the years but haven't seemed to be able to budget well enough to get sports programs through one tough season without revenue. It's called budgeting and all other Americans have to do it to keep ourselves on track. Maybe this should bring up another question about the kind of education these athlete-students are getting from those universities that can't educate themselves on basic economics.
No pay. No way. Period. Let college be for amateurs. Everyone else should be allowed to go directly to whatever Pro level exists for their particular sport.
College sports can only be amateur if money is completely out of the game. Once money is introduced to amateur sports, it ceases to be amateur sports. So one solution to this problem is to: stop selling tickets, stop selling merchandise, stop having bowl games and the NCAA tournament, and stop making money in other ways through these sports, THEN college sports is truly back to being amateur sports.
500 a game for scholarship players OR walkons who appear on tv. that should be enough for players ON TOP of a scholarship and free meals at the cafe every day. if you can't live on 500 a game along with free meals something is wrong. they act like we don't see players walking around wearing designer clothing
Being able to leave school debt free is a good deal. Those scholarships could be taxed. But it’s not. To pay athletes the govt will have to change title 9 and some of tax codes. If they eventually get paid hope those athletes can afford expensive lawyers and accountants.
no they should not be paid but they should be able to receive an allowance a weekly one only in efforts to help them maintain their grades and stay out of trouble
What about the $8,000,000 in ticket sales in one day & what about someone buying your jersey. Should you not get a cut of that since you generate that.
What about the artificial acceptance to an elite university that the athlete would have otherwise NEVER been qualified to attend. Then the $$ spent in tutor to keep them eligible? Do player deserve more, yes. However the bang for buck is only in favor of the top 5% of players...similar to the way life actually works.
If college athletes want to go pro, fine. Quite a few have done it. This year of the Covid pretty much proved my belief that intercollegiate sports aren't really that important, and the 'billions' of dollars aren't really there. The athletes entering college are not the attraction fans are paying for. Fans are paying for the school's brand, the school's reputation, the overall weekend college experience. Fans pay to see Taylor Swift. They don't pay to see freshmen recruits. A football players individual value is minimal. If he is injured, his value becomes a deficit. A replacement is found and the game goes on. The uniform is the uniform. The school's brand raises the value of the player wearing the uniform.
No way, won’t ever happen. They’re there to get an education first. They want to get paid? Go get a job and give up football. When they’ve graduated college and put in their time with work experience then they can run their own athletic department. Good luck paying your players though. Legislation won’t ever pass that trash no matter how much they cater to the kneelers. 🇺🇸
The LIFE Project Chicago YEAH STUFF LIKE THAT AND MAYBE THEY GIVE IT TO A CHARITY OF THERE CHOICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT NO CONTRACTS I THINK THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS
Jacob Watson what I will say is look up the public universities endowments. These schools are not as broke as the guy is saying. University of Iowa has an endowment worth 1.5 billion.
Jacob Watson not at all but this argument that these schools are suffering financially cause of Covid is garbage. I agree no contracts but at least set them up with a nice 401k. Something they can put money into as they get older.
how about geting a free ride to school they already have perks plus all their food is payed for they also get a 200 dollar stypen per month, if theyre good anuff they will make a nfl roster
@@eurojay4847 that’s why they go to school to EARN a degree, so they can make money, geez , they are well taken care of, they can eat anytime they want, they have a roof over their heads they get 200,00 a month stypen, theyre there to get a education also but they do want to put any value in that, all libtarts want before they earn it
@@randyware9645 actually idiot when I was in college I got an internship at a major finance corporation in Chicago and was able to earn money....why can’t you allow them to do the same? It’s called free market capitalism you should read about it sometime....it’s the greatest economic system man has ever created
The powers that be are very creative at keeping the most money in what is now none as the Power 5. Their goal seems to exclude as many entities as possible. In short, a money grab. A level playing field should be for all student athletes and schools.
The jealousy dynamic doesn’t seem to be a problem on the Pro level. Because the players know and admire those who bring the most to the table. I have always seen that camaraderie on the college level as well.
They do get paid. It’s called scholarship and the opportunity to get an education. These kids live better than some middle class families. They’re STUDENT athletes. They’re not professionals.
No it's not! This is something only college athletes can understand. With school and sports at the end of the day you have no time to do anything else. School and sports is like working 16 hour shifts everyday 7 days a week
If you were a college athlete you definitely wouldn't be saying that. But let's just say their education, room and board is enough. ESPN, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc make millions of dollars off college athletes and schools make millions as well. Not to mention college coaches who make millions. Compare that to 20,000 plus in tuition and everything else you brought up, you mean to tell me athletes shouldn't get at least a small portion of all of that money being made off of their likeness.
@@amarirasheed6 I was and I'll say it. The perks of today's D1 student athletes way and above what any student receives. And all universities aren't created equal. The perks at one school aren't the same at another.
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A guy with a music scholarship can perform at a night club, sell CDs. The woman with an drama scholarship can make a commercial, model etc. Athletes and the sports programs are the reason to why many kids attend those colleges.
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So Joey acting like them Ohio St. boosters didn't hook him up.
But the point is, if Joey never got his degree, he would never be where he is. There are countless guys that have come thru Ohio State and have benefit greatly from being athletes, but Joey is right, nothing is more important than the educational piece. All you hear is, pay the athlete. It should be, pay the student athlete. They are students first.
Joshua Miller his degree isn’t why he’s on tv
@@arsmaster So ESPN hiring guys without degrees? Name one! To even get through the door at ESPN or other Sports Network, a degree is the bare minimum.
Every football player at Ohio state especially Joey was getting paid underneath the table and we know a college degree is important but he talking about how a degree is important it is but u know most of these guys are struggling just to make it at college with the basic essentials on campus
@@jsmiles17 in theory they are student athletes not in application. That's the larger issue. At Power 5 schools in revenue generating sports you being a top tier academic while is college is peripheral if that. You are there as an instrument of the institution to generate revenue. The most pressing dynamic is financial literacy. Having a degree doesn't mean you are knowledgeable about what to do with any given lump some of money.
Lets go Jay. This man is telling the truth about college and how they abuse the student athlete.
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Yeah pay these guys and don’t hold them accountable in the classroom. Yeah right. These guys can barely put two sentences together and they want to get paid to play college ball? It shouldn’t even be a question.
@@runninrebel1520 classroom is irrelevent. They are proffesional athletes who dont get paidm
Ticket sales for one game - $5,000,000+
Jersey Sales - $50 - $100+ per jersey
Concession Revenue - $600,000+
TV Revenue - $50,000,000 - $200,000
Totally School Revenue - $20,000,000 - $200,000,000
Cost of college for 4 years - < $300,000
People buy tickets to see players play, buy food while watching players play, buy player jersey because they like watching player play, people pay for television which most cost is for sports channels.
Stop worrying…..the young people GOT THIS…. This black man is out of touch
If I don’t go to college I can’t make good decisions with money?? Wrong…. If I don’t get my degree and make 2 million dollars with nil,how do you compare that to the college grad who only makes 1-2 hundred k a year with college DEBT…..EASY CHOICE
I love Jay Bilas. He is the smartest man in college sports.
Ngz......
They walk you to class to keep you eligible that’s it
Joey sounds like a 🤡. I need them to say no college coach should make over 800k.
It's funny how the rich can effortlessly convince the have nots to fight amongst each other whether or not they deserve little crumbs FM😶😶
Are we america or commie China? It’s a no brainer let the free market capitalism run free it’s America.
Joey is talking like the older black people of the past
Some of the most wealthiest people didn’t get a degree
How do you spell conflict of Interest? Galloway& McElroy profit from the status quo !!! Don't know how......but i bet they do
Rule #1: Don’t debate Jay Bilas...you’ll come in second
Dont pay them but allow them to make money....
And stop it with the degree nonsense. Try skipping practice to go to class. Or skipping the NCAA tournament to study for an exam.
Jealousy? Really? It was a better experience because everyone was poor? Hahaha... Wow.
I am sorry but they do pay the kids for playing in the sport, They pay for there education
The excuses Joey and Greg was given are pathetic
Here's the thing they want you to believe that the way it's done is just so much better because of the professional aspect of sports
The reality is and this is a well known fact that college athletes are amateur sports players therefore they should be compensated
And we're we're talking about people who whether they have scholarship or not will have significant debt when they get out of school whether they go on to professional sports or not they still have to find work to provide income for themselves this is a mute point when you look at the conferences in sent just the ncaa all of the conferences exploit players of all sports to make money because they know they don't have to pay them therefore they could get away with whatever they want and no one has the gusts to stop it I think we're finally on the right track for leveling the playing field taking the power from the conferences give it to the colleges as to who is going to get paid and how much treat it like the amateur sports that it is and you're going to basically have a much better environment because what happens if these players have a career ending injury and they don't have health insurance because they can't afford it because there a full time student how much money is that injury gonns cost they're gonna have a $100,000 in medical debt instantaneously that's just 1 of the issues
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College is not a business, it is an educational institution. Students are there to get an education first and the activities they engage in our second. Even if that activity generates revenue for the institution. Those hired to teach or run the institution, administration, even if you coach a sport your purpose is to educate or support the operation for the purpose of educating students. Athletes are students. If you do not like the compensation do not attend, no one is forcing you either via scholarship or otherwise. Stay home or if no scholarship work your way through school. Tons of students have done it before and many will do it again in the future. Don't go and go pro if you do not like it. If coaches do not like it leave. My child went to college and part of his tuition cost was money that went towards admission to athletic events whether they wanted to attend them or not. I get the revenue generation of athletics but that goes to the institution not the players. In high school athletics generates some money there too but the students only get it through improvements in things for the school itself. New uniforms, new exercise equipment, improvements to playing surfaces, most improvements contingent on the success of the teams in competition but not paid specifically to players. So hypothetically, if you do pay college athletes, how is the money distributed? Certainly a star player will want more and more. What about kids that know they are not good enough for the next level? Will they fight for extra eligibility in college just to stick around and get paid? Look at other countries too. Some countries competition to get into college when compared to the numbers trying and the population is absurd. Many come to the United States to get an education and work. Despite sports lasting popularity at all levels including professional, the outcome of such competition while temporarily joyful and even more profitable for winners and less for losers, the ultimate benefit at the end of the day is what? Does it add to the possibility of curing cancer for example? If your team wins what does the fan get from that? It is essentially a dream world for fans of sports. It is essentially an activity with a beginning and end to no means. Because of the revenue it generates also, more students academically can have the opportunity via their grades in high school to have tuition assistance to attend college. You crybabies want money, go pro. Lebron James could never have made it as a student so he just went pro.
They all pay now it will just make the best teams better when its ok to pay them
If you just play at Notre Dame or Bama or OU you get the best job offers the rest of your lives, every one of them. Money can’t buy those benefits. Get real.
They should at least get a few hundred dollars allowance weekly to cover stuff that the school doesn't cover like insurance on a students car plane ticket home for holidays . Then have a big pay out of $50000 after graduation and only if they graduate if the go pro before graduating they don't get the money this money can be used for med school for some kids or docrite.or transitioning from school to work
Athletes get benefits money can’t buy for the rest of their lives, just play at Bama or Notre Dame and you’ll get the best jobs there is.
North Carolina and Notre Dame are still playing football EVEN THOUGH their schools are closed. Let that sink in. ALL THE OTHER STUDENTS ARE AT HOME. Football players are required to stay at school to play ball. Sounds like employees to me.
Allow them to make money off of NIL each year. Then take a percentage of revenue and put it in a trust fund for the player that they gain access to once they graduate. If they don't graduate use that money to pay for operating costs or the next player's trust fund. This way you encourage players to get their degree while also letting players earn money for their efforts on the field. Seems like the best compromise possible imo.
The team, the school and the NCAA do not care if they graduate, in fact they push them to do things that hurt their educational pursit. D1 athletics is a full time job and school is always 2ndary. Atletes are a resource to be exploited, squeeze all the value out of them and toss in trash and replace with a newer, younger model. This is how everyone with their hand in the pot looks at the players
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hit'em in the chin JAY! Excuses!! WOOOOOOOOO! ECONOMIC RIGHTS!
Absolutely not. The NCAA should not pay athletes. The NCAA should elevate the requirements to get into a University. Athletes should be 3.0 GPA students to be admitted, and athletes should maintain a 3.0 GPA to remain eligible to play sports. Division I and Division II athletes are notorious for low SAT scores. That should come to a stop today.
That would hurt the product too much and would cost them millions of dollars in the long run
If you just play at Notre Dame you get the best job offers the rest of your life. That’s paying.
I think the ncaa should pay the college football players cause the players themselves are literally PAYING to play in the colleges
What no. If you just play for Notre Dame or Bama you get the best jobs forever. Just walk in with that ring on your finger. Money can’t buy that.
Ronnie Bishop true well that’s my opinion
Neogamerfort I played football in Oklahoma just in high school and my sons team won the state championship one year and this rich guy bought the whole team championship rings. That ring got him through every door in the world. Then he went to OU and was elected president of sigma alpha epsilon. Can you imagine wearing a ring from any big college? You get swooned over.
Ronnie Bishop yeah certainly I would be a honor to wear a ring from a great football college
Neogamerfort Only a small percentage got the NFL the rest get a great education and benefits money just can’t buy, you play for OU and walk into a job interview at a Know OU fan and if there’s fifty other applicants guess who will get the job?
Joey G sounds like an idiot
Why is this a question?
Yes!!!!
No, if you just suit up at Notre Dame or Bama and you get the best jobs forever. Just walk in with that ring on your finger. Money can’t buy that.
Ronnie Bishop I beg to differ.
Sealambert I’ve seen it all my life, I was born and raised in Oklahoma and everyone of those ex players have top jobs unless they were criminals and even then some.
Sealambert Why do you disagree?
Ronnie Bishop I understand and respect your answer. The reason for my rebuttal is because ALOT has changed since those days were a full-ride scholarships is all you need. But when it gets to a point with the elevation of money generating within the combination of almost all sectors (coaching staff, athletic directors, university presidents, league conferences, networks, sponsors, etc.,) can surpass billions of dollars 💵) all around you as a student athlete and you are producing the most work and cannot get a cent. That is not right.
If not paying them a stipend, at least allow them to receive endorsements and earn income using their likeness.
I mean if NCAA is allowed to make revenue off their image,i think they should deserve their fair share as well.
How many go to the NFL? So the other 99% get a free degree from their image and talents.
@@ronniebishop2496 you think only 1% are pursuing a NFL career? You think 99% are there for a free education? L o L
ace ventura I was and my brother was and got a degree and became a pilot for Delta. Everyone is not wanting to play in the NFL even if they could. Most people want a degree whether they play sports or not. I guess some extra money would be ok, but 99% don’t play very well. Only 6 teams do. Usually.
Here is how you get rid of the jealousy problem. Just like most jobs, you are not allowed to disclose how much money you make.
Thank you it’s so simple
Like I dont think anybody is expecting a fortune from this, it could even probably be less than minimum wage like maybe a deal like waiters have, its $X per hour on the field and practice and workouts plus tips. Each player would have a TIPJAR account setup for bonuses from jerseys and NCAA21 video games. If someone downloads your current starting team you get a team bonus. If they download you specifically you get more of a share from that DLC. I think this would promote all the athletes to want to be better for the team and for their selves. You could even have a 2nd and 3rd string DLC package for that team.
This would help youtube content from getting too out of hand too for simulated match-up videos. That person would have to have bought your player already to make that video. But I doubt that is even an important issue because the gaming industry is a multi billion dollar industry. The amount of money coleges and players would make is way more than some kids single video on youtube that may get a few thousand views.
It just gets on my nerves, I feel like even as everything is right now, there is a way to make the NCAA video games and still be fair. Its like nobody want to even touch it and i just don't get it. It can be done.
I thought they already solved this and 2021 was going to be when players can get royalties from their likeness name and number? I must have missed the final on that. The EA NCAA football video game news was talking about it a lot last year and how the new rule is good news for a new video game coming out soon. I'm guessing it didn't pass but yeah they need to take these stupid restrictions away from athletes. When the video game comes out, you have to know that the video game industry is a multi billion dollar industry too, this would only bring more money to the colleges and a small percentage would be going to the player's. The schools would be getting a much larger piece of the pie. And something else, the next gen of consoles are on the way, games could be $80 per copy. If money is a problem, just make the game just like other companies have been doing for years and that is Special editions and DLC, you can either buy a retail price that has a fake roster, or a special edition that is $20 more or whatever, $50 more. People will pay to have it. I've paid over$100 for a special edition before. You could even have DLC packages of individual teams and individual players to control the royalties accuratly. The game technology has changed a lot since 2014 .
I really don't understand how it hasn't been done yet becausethis is a lot of potential money just setting there. You could even have the games come out a year after each season to get the player landscape figured out, and even have a credit system set up for all players where they get the money later after their college football career. There are so many ways to make it work.
For the jersey sale part of it, that has to be through the college and their own stores in their own states. And online shops.
So if a player gets injured and their scholarship gets pulled, how do they get an education or money to actually pay for college?
How did my kids get money for college?
@@ronniebishop2496 , They didn’t have to pay or paid less if they got a scholarship.
That black dude is a sellout. Jay Bilas, you are a real one bro
Absolutely positively not!!!
If they don't want to play, the White boys will play! We can have replacement players until they see the light!!!!!!!!!
First make all them get admitted to college via the same process all students have to use and same for transfers. Then they can "apply" to play on the football team as if they get the job then they are eligible for a scholarship and all players can be paid as work study at the same rate as any student can get. Colleges are for education so make the football or basketball respectful of that.
Spot on
Excuses .. justifications to keep current systems.. that’s all I’m hearing from two of these guys.. Everyone is profiting from players. Everyone except players.
Free tuition, room and board, and food! Sounds like a good deal to me! In most cases that is quite a bit of money plus with that education a whole lot of extra lifetime salary!
Bro, Joey stop it. Why does anybody want an education? To make money. Nowadays, a college education doesn't get you much. There are a ton of unemployed college educated people out here now. You can buy a college education. I hope the college players strike and demand 50% of the revenue. That's what they deserve...
You’re funny. Pay these guys to be employees of the university and they got into a major university with a 2.0 of that. You think a college education doesn’t get you much? Tell that to a physician or a lawyer. Don’t be so naive, kid.
@@runninrebel1520 An education which that lawyer and physician PAID for. Give the players the money they deserve and let them decide what to do with it. Right now, these players are being taken advantage of, period...
Least 1 person at espn was smart
$125 per week,after taxes.
Enough spending money to function as a student on campus.
Laundry,money for a movie,burger or what not.
Keep the focus on getting the degree for big money payoff down the line.
While coaches make millions. Ok
Each university will have different payouts, yet you will see some players demanding equal pay
It should be Free market.
I’m totally on board with them being able to use their likeness and image to make $
But anything more than I think is too much
Major corporations are not going to invest in a kid who mat have the Q power to keep them invested.
Your job is probably paying you too much
If collage players get paid all players should get paid the same amount no matter the position because they will get paid a lot more in the NFL . They all should be Equal in collage no deserves more than anyone Else. If you pay someone more than another thats pro sports. So no i would think that they would deserve mpre than each other.
Nick Saban doesn’t recruit grades he recruits NFL players
That's the whole problem. Football players are generally 'low IQ individuals'. Their SAT scores have been well below the median level for over 20 years.
@@russellkempe3231 they’re not generally low IQ, they just spend their time on playing sports over studying for exams. I question your IQ for making such a generalization
People go to school to make money.......this is a circular argument........Jay is on point
It really is
mcelroy and joey wins this discussion
Let's get to the real issue here. The issue here is that college sports has become a multi-billion dollar business. See thats the problem. If that wasn't the case - then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. There would be no problem.
Colleges should be in the business of educating students. Period. Not being part of a multi-billion dollar business thats centered around the same students they should be educating. See theres a conflict of interest. You cant be part of a multi-billion dollar business and have amateurism at the same time.
Jay is saying the all other students can go out and make money for themselves and doesn't see the difference. There is a difference. The college athletes are on tv, providing the entertainment that is central to the multi-billion dollar business that he speaks of. The tv contracts, the advertisers, etc. Regular students that go out and work at Papa Johns delivering pizza are not part of that business. Thats the difference Jay and it's the central problem at the same time.
The real question, is why did we allow things to get so out of hand? I know that theres money to be made in sports but sports should be secondary and we've made it out to be the primary focus. If colleges can't survive without money generated from college sports then thats their problem. They shouldn't be dependent on that, since their focus should be on Education. Not sports.
By the way Jay - they are getting paid. For instance, to live on campus at the University of Florida, includes tuition, dorms, meals and everything else is about $21,000 per year. When they graduate they have a degree and don't have $80,000+ in debt to pay back to the feds. They also have other grants and or stipends that would leave money in their pocket.
Also those figures are for in-state residents. Usually that number doubles for non-residents.. so if you are a football player, playing for Florida as a non-resident your school debt would be around $160,000.
Capitalism.. colleges make huge amounts of money from TV contracts, Sponsors, Alumni Donations, Ticket Revenue, Licensing, etc...
If they do, I’ll never watch another game or give another dime to my Alma Mater’s athletic club - and we currently give $20,000+ annually.
Why
If said institution you donate to is a power 5 school...they'll be ok without your 20k. Almost certain of it.
You’re a bootlicker
You definitely do not donate lol
You do know that these football and basketball teams fund scholarships for other sports,don't you ?
Many school depend on football for at least 25% of schools yearly income.
I don’t think people realize how much money these athletic departments put into their football programs to ensure the student athletes have literally the best of everything.
I played D1 Ball. They don't give you enough compared to what they are making.
Deon Taylor Deans, Presidents, ADs, and staff get paid because they got their college degree. You’re either a king or a pawn.
@@runninrebel1520 You played D1 football right? Power 5 conference correct?
Everyone is getting rich and making money hand over fist......except the player which is the product. Dusgusting
@@runninrebel1520 degrees have nothing to do with it. Its nepotism and about the money. Why should an AD make over a million a year and coaches make $9m a year when players get nothing. Who is putting their bodies and lives on the line every week? Who loses everything if they get injured doing their job? Break your leg at work? Cool your fired, your ins is cancelled and you get nothing. Good luck
They don't care about the degree so why should the university. Pay them and be done with them. And make sure to pay the walk ons too. They work just as many hours in practice with no scholarship.
You're sort of right, but it's the other way around, the university doesn't care about the degree, so thus the students end up not caring about the degree. The attitude flows downward. It's possible some student athletes go into college not caring about the degree, but that attitude of caring about the degree should first be exuded by the college; and they've shown they don't care about the degree from how they treat their football and basketball college athletes (for example, their sports schedules and how they can interrupt with school work).
Then don’t go to college if they don’t care about getting educated. Good luck getting a tryout with the pros right out of high school.
The NCAA? Why the NCAA? Never heard anyone ever suggest that.
joey love them butter biscuits
J baylis talking the right stuff along with the host.
Yes he does!
@Phil Ill lmfaoooooooo
Jay Bilas graduated from Duke and Law School debt free. Basically $200K of free education. Not bad if you ask the average college student that has student loan debt when they graduate.
Yeah but you can’t work, can’t receive money etc so if you poor you screwed - former college athlete
@@mercuryrhodes They guy that is screwed is the walk on. He puts in the same hours and gets absolutely nothing.
He was rewarded with a scholarship for being an athlete. He worked for it. Just like the law students out there that worked to get a full-ride scholarship too. But the difference is that Jay Bilas didn’t just work hard to earn the scholarship like other students, he was required to play basketball during school, and he made the university substantial amounts of money while he was there. The other law student with a full-ride could’ve gotten awful grades all throughout law school, and made zero money for the school, yet he or she would still have the scholarship.
@@KevinWidesouls Um Jay Bilas didn't go to Law School on a basketball scholarship. He graduated from Duke with zero debt. And had the financial means to attend duke law school. Your point is Moot.
Darryl Nelson I thought you were implying in your original comment that law school was part of Jay’s athletic scholarship (I think technically it could be for someone who graduated undergrad early and decided to go to law school since athletic eligibility is 5 years, I’m not sure though). Regardless, just swap “law school” with “undergrad” in my comment and the point would remain. Students earn scholarships for undergrad based on what they did in high school.
All those survival/life skill should be taught in K-12.
The cost of living changes every year and that affects the student athlete as well. As time passes money becomes a bigger and bigger issue for resources that will help them survive.
Why is it that Jay is mostly right and he's a Dukie? GO HEELS!!!! The schools have been making BILLIONS of dollars over the years but haven't seemed to be able to budget well enough to get sports programs through one tough season without revenue. It's called budgeting and all other Americans have to do it to keep ourselves on track. Maybe this should bring up another question about the kind of education these athlete-students are getting from those universities that can't educate themselves on basic economics.
College athletes aren't even allowed to use their likeness to make money.
That’s amateurism for ya. If they wanna get paid give up your sport and get a job.
No pay. No way. Period. Let college be for amateurs. Everyone else should be allowed to go directly to whatever Pro level exists for their particular sport.
College sports can only be amateur if money is completely out of the game. Once money is introduced to amateur sports, it ceases to be amateur sports. So one solution to this problem is to: stop selling tickets, stop selling merchandise, stop having bowl games and the NCAA tournament, and stop making money in other ways through these sports, THEN college sports is truly back to being amateur sports.
Kasonia Kisangani fully agree with you. Stop all those things 100%
Kasonia Kisangani 100%
Easy answer no.
Interested to see how the NLI will impact athlete's pay
500 a game for scholarship players OR walkons who appear on tv. that should be enough for players ON TOP of a scholarship and free meals at the cafe every day. if you can't live on 500 a game along with free meals something is wrong.
they act like we don't see players walking around wearing designer clothing
Being able to leave school debt free is a good deal. Those scholarships could be taxed. But it’s not. To pay athletes the govt will have to change title 9 and some of tax codes. If they eventually get paid hope those athletes can afford expensive lawyers and accountants.
So no more scholarships then?
Do you think athletes are gonna pay to play?
no they should not be paid but they should be able to receive an allowance a weekly one only in efforts to help them maintain their grades and stay out of trouble
What about the $8,000,000 in ticket sales in one day & what about someone buying your jersey. Should you not get a cut of that since you generate that.
Every law is not always fair or moral. Some are really really bad!!!
What about the artificial acceptance to an elite university that the athlete would have otherwise NEVER been qualified to attend. Then the $$ spent in tutor to keep them eligible? Do player deserve more, yes. However the bang for buck is only in favor of the top 5% of players...similar to the way life actually works.
If college athletes want to go pro, fine. Quite a few have done it. This year of the Covid pretty much proved my belief that intercollegiate sports aren't really that important, and the 'billions' of dollars aren't really there. The athletes entering college are not the attraction fans are paying for. Fans are paying for the school's brand, the school's reputation, the overall weekend college experience. Fans pay to see Taylor Swift. They don't pay to see freshmen recruits. A football players individual value is minimal. If he is injured, his value becomes a deficit. A replacement is found and the game goes on. The uniform is the uniform. The school's brand raises the value of the player wearing the uniform.
Even the ones who do get to the NFL may not get paid after the NFL caved and alienated 3/4 of the fan base.
Yes. College athletes should get paid.
No way, won’t ever happen. They’re there to get an education first. They want to get paid? Go get a job and give up football. When they’ve graduated college and put in their time with work experience then they can run their own athletic department. Good luck paying your players though. Legislation won’t ever pass that trash no matter how much they cater to the kneelers. 🇺🇸
THEY SHOULDN’T BE ON CONTRACTS BUT I THINK THEY SHOULD DO STUFF LIKE THE NATTY WINNERS GET 100,000$ EACH OR SOMETHING OR THE SEC CHAMPIONS GET 25,000$
Bonuses for big game wins.
The LIFE Project Chicago YEAH STUFF LIKE THAT AND MAYBE THEY GIVE IT TO A CHARITY OF THERE CHOICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT NO CONTRACTS I THINK THAT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS
Jacob Watson what I will say is look up the public universities endowments. These schools are not as broke as the guy is saying. University of Iowa has an endowment worth 1.5 billion.
The LIFE Project Chicago SO YOUR SAYING THEY SHOULD BE ON CONTRACTS
Jacob Watson not at all but this argument that these schools are suffering financially cause of Covid is garbage. I agree no contracts but at least set them up with a nice 401k. Something they can put money into as they get older.
how about geting a free ride to school they already have perks plus all their food is payed for they also get a 200 dollar stypen per month, if theyre good anuff they will make a nfl roster
Not enough
ofcourse its not enough when its not your money, everybody likes to spend other peoples money
Ok commie how about allowing them to earn money outside of the school
@@eurojay4847 that’s why they go to school to EARN a degree, so they can make money, geez , they are well taken care of, they can eat anytime they want, they have a roof over their heads they get 200,00 a month stypen, theyre there to get a education also but they do want to put any value in that, all libtarts want before they earn it
@@randyware9645 actually idiot when I was in college I got an internship at a major finance corporation in Chicago and was able to earn money....why can’t you allow them to do the same? It’s called free market capitalism you should read about it sometime....it’s the greatest economic system man has ever created
The powers that be are very creative at keeping the most money in what is now none as the Power 5. Their goal seems to exclude as many entities as possible. In short, a money grab. A level playing field should be for all student athletes and schools.
The jealousy dynamic doesn’t seem to be a problem on the Pro level. Because the players know and admire those who bring the most to the table. I have always seen that camaraderie on the college level as well.
They do get paid. It’s called scholarship and the opportunity to get an education. These kids live better than some middle class families. They’re STUDENT athletes. They’re not professionals.
They already are being paid by getting a free education, room and board, and an allowance. That’s enough!!!
No it's not! This is something only college athletes can understand. With school and sports at the end of the day you have no time to do anything else. School and sports is like working 16 hour shifts everyday 7 days a week
And clothing.
If you were a college athlete you definitely wouldn't be saying that. But let's just say their education, room and board is enough. ESPN, CBS, ABC, FOX, etc make millions of dollars off college athletes and schools make millions as well. Not to mention college coaches who make millions. Compare that to 20,000 plus in tuition and everything else you brought up, you mean to tell me athletes shouldn't get at least a small portion of all of that money being made off of their likeness.
@@amarirasheed6 I was and I'll say it. The perks of today's D1 student athletes way and above what any student receives. And all universities aren't created equal. The perks at one school aren't the same at another.
A guy with a music scholarship can perform at a night club, sell CDs. The woman with an drama scholarship can make a commercial, model etc. Athletes and the sports programs are the reason to why many kids attend those colleges.
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Don't give me that degree nonsense.. You can get your degree on line.. don't need the university for that
Lol, they can’t even go to class in person and you expect them to have the discipline to attend college online? Seriously 🤦🏻♂️
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