Wow! After about 45mins of listening to this, I've discovered and learned ...that listening to these two going at it, is a new way to get a headache :(
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
I wish I read this comment first after 45 minutes i came to the comments to warn athers don't watch they will rob u of 45 minutes of your life. call 999
Im not a big fan of abu layth, and with all due respect to Sheikh Asrar, but honestly when a man requests to be allowed to speak/explain himself, please be calm and let them speak, even if they’re going to be 100% wrong.
Same but it doesnt matter I actually changed my view and I dont believe Isa SAWS is coming back anymore.. I went back and saw his original argument and it makes sense and nobody is engaging him on it.. Why is everybody scared? And his arguments make sense the hadiths mentioning that are literally copy and pasted from the Bible and they contradict the Quran and hes right they're not in the Muwatta I have that book in my house. He actually changed my mind about it lol Wallah
This is all plan of Allah. Can’t you see so called big Alim of Islam being ridiculed by a common student. Allah has not given them patience to have dialogue with logic, all they can do is don’t allow the opponent to speak. If they’d do, they will expose their own falsified believed.
sheikh asrar hade debate with a wahabi and he’s had debates with atheists and christians and those debates went smoothly because there needs to be rules just like life on earth without rules would be chaotic. and don’t disrespect sheikh asrar saying he’s a sufi trying to be a scholar or something he has more knowledge than your family combined i believe. learn to respect scholars what kind of muslims are you?! Don’t be ignorant and research and learn sheikh asrar could’ve said to abu leith are making fun God’s signs and verses because if a wahabi takfiry was there i believe he’d say abu leith is a kafir. for you my brothers and sisters all muslims who see this please study and learn the religion . some muslims don’t even know what sufism is! 😢
@@nadjiguemarful subhanaAllah, I just watched his lecture it is convincing and an eye opening subhanaAllah, he made many good points on how to deal with the hadith especially the muwatta of imam malik RA contradicting the hadith regarding jesus pbuh landing in damascus.
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
What's sadder than Asrar's behaiviour is the fact that this comment section is filled with people defending it as a brilliant scholarly approach to a discussion.
What's sadder is Naeem's cultists not seeing him for the buffoon he is. The only sad thing about Shaykh Asrar is that he even entertained this debate. He purely did this for notoriety, nobody serious takes that clown (Naeem) seriously. But for again the modern posse of clowns
I have a new found appreciation and admiration for my 5 and 2 year old children! Why did I waste 58 minutes and 54 seconds of my precious life?! #Lesson in life
Even though I disagree with Abu layth , Asrar rasheed probably never came in prepped he didn’t even want to talk about the subject . After 12 minutes can’t watch anymore lol
At the start of the video it's all "Santa Claus and seriousness" Then its "is this a debate/discussion?" Pathetic. Not a fanboy of either but Abu Layth is actually more mature in this video. The shaykh may talk about respect and Khaybah, but cannot hold a conversation. Probably used to students not questioning him.
B A I agree Mufti Abu Layth was definitely bombarded with galloping peripherals. The other shiekh Asrar would have completely lost a debate against an atheist or christian.
@@ic6177 The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
One of the rules Sheikh Asrar highlighted 'you cant ask questions about something you already know the answer to', yet he repeatedly asked mufti a question about santa returning. Hmmmmmmmm
Can't believe shaykh Asrar made a fool of himself. What type of discussion was that? if you are going to debate then you debate, don't go round in circles. Propper avoiding the discussion. Why make an open challenge? I've made this comment after watching 30 minutes of this.
You didn't understand any of it did you? The sheikh was trying to get malhm to commit to the rules and he was getting away and not committing. The reason for fixing the rules is the man was using one yardstick for himself and another when it came to proving Jesus was returning to earth. Without laying out the rules of proof its not possible to argue. Mufti kept insisting is the coming of Jesus coming back written in the quran. He didn't want to use secondary or third sources of knowledge. Yet to prove the khilafa of Hazrat Ali he had used secondary sources. One thing essential in debate is to fix the rules so neither party can cheat.
@@gravewalker_0125 when it comes to our religion we take things seriously and don't mock it like layth does. There are rules of engagement in debating. People like layth bullsit and entertain audiences with mocking religion. That's not how Sheikh Asrar Rashid debates or behaves. There's a huge difference in character and knowledge of the two personalities.
@@bawkher Mocking? If you watch Mufti Abu Layth's videos you'll see he takes the religion far more seriously than you or Asrar or whoever. He said santa claus is coming. You and Asrar and those like you are getting bent up out of shape over a joke. If you cannot comprehend humor then don't be like humor police trying to ruin everything for other people. There was nothing disrespectful about what he said.
@@bawkher Rules. You really sat there for those 2 hours and ended up with the conclusion "Mashallah, Sheikh Asrar you're a bloody good debater?" He spent 2 hours asking questions that have nothing to do with the discussion. He spent 2 hours arguing moot points. In any professional debate or even just a normal conversation over a cup of tea, does it start the way this one did? 2 hours of just repeating and deflecting. Honestly, he was more disrespectful to Mufti Abu Layth than Abu Layth was to him. Your Sheikh Asrars demeanour was disgusting, he refused to let anyone else talk telling Mufti Abu Layth off, when he himself had launched into bloody monologues. His aggressiveness was just wacky dude. Mufti Abu Layth made one or two errors I agree 100%. I feel he should've just answered Asrars nonsensical question to disarm him and not allow him to divert because it was clear 100% that Asrar was incapable of discussing the issue of Isa (AS) with him. I also believe he shouldn't have hammered the "do you believe Jesus is better than the Prophet (PBUHAHF)". Since it states in the Quran ch 2 that Allah (SWT) makes no distinction between his messengers. The Prophet (PBUHAHF) could not raise the dead as Allah (SWT) had not given him the ability to do so in his life. If we are talking capability then every single person on this Earth is capable of raising the dead since the ability to raise the dead or perform any miracle is possible through Allah (SWT) and whoever Allah (SWT) should will to perform this will perform this. So they were arguing a moot point again.
This had the makings of an interesting discussion but S. Asrar is just not engaging. Not clever, the Mufti has shown such patience with all this diversion. Btw I've no link to either men.
You see your foolish and stupid are you saying that the quran is wrong and the mufti is wrong. Your all jahil especially your mufti is that why he got caught up in the Trojan Horse. You do make sense you fool
@@mohammedkhan2433 your ad hominem proves nothing you do realize that right? telling someone their stupid and a fool doesn't make you smart you do realize that right? more than anything actually makes you look more like the jahil, the one who calls everyone a jahil is more than likely the jahil.
Shaykh Asrar rashid was just adamant in clarifying issues first and laying principles down which have the upmost importance such as honour and respect for religion and beliefs.
@@shammk You couldnt be further from the truth. Shaykh just like all their previous dialogues/debates wishes to remain academic and have a sense of seriousness when it comes to beliefs. Rightfully so it's your Aakhira on the line.
That's how all of his "discussions" go. He postures and tries to dominate and dictate the whole conversation, constantly cutting the other person off. When he thinks he can get away with it he'll immediately ask security to drag the person out. I've seen him do this twice and security has refused both times LOL!
@@zohaibkhan8617 it's ironic and funny how the unlearned feel that they can determine whether some one is learned or not or determine the status of the learned.
Both have different personalities which is fine however there's an approach to having a debate. If debate turns to mockery then there's no point in having a debate with such an individual. Respect has to be there I think this is what Sheikh Asrar was trying to get across as he didn't feel comfortable debating with someone who thinks it's fine to throws jokes in-between quoting Hadith or Quranic verse, who doesn't understand the adab of debate. Scholars don't debate in this manner. Asrar is correct in reminding him to be accurate with his quotations and remember the adab. Humour has it's place but not in serious discussions. If a person doesn't understand that perhaps it's better to avoid such people.
excatly even tho i rated Abdurahman hassan when he debated asrar rashid i agree abu layth is very misguided and unprincriple. disgusting behavior he was showing.
Abdurahman Omar Disagreeing with Mufti is one thing but saying he's misguided is another, why do you guys feel you know who's guided and who's not? Isn't this religion about "guide us to the straight path". The irony is painful
Abdurahman Omar are you God to say he's misguided? Sahaba acted like that too are you gonna call them disgusting? You only say this because you've been brainwashed to think that it's disrespectful to joke about and be a normal human being which is complete nonsense. This religion came to guide us, not to make us change our personalities
Al-Tirmidhi (2152) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘Among this ummah those who disbelieve in the divine decree (al-qadr) will be swallowed up by the earth, transformed into monkeys and pigs or pelted with stones.” (Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 1748).
The ego on the man in the beard is at astonishing levels. Goodness me. He thinks he's the grand imam of Makkah. I'm a supporter of neither but how on earth can you possibly have a conversation with someone that repeatedly interrupts you?
The ONLY WAY Asrar will play poker with you is if he KNOWS what cards you’re holding, AND he must know what the table cards are, THEN he’ll be willing to play. What a scammer Asrar is.
What the heck! What an absolute shamble. Shaykh Asrar- What on earth are you doing? You had a hundred chances to engage in a proper discussion when the question was asked to you. Why not answer and begin the debate. You went round in circles about types of discussions- not needed at the time as all you have to do is talk about the subject. You failed here miserably. Well done to Muft Abu Layth for staying professional all the way.
Dr Dreamz this was not the debate, they agreed to make conditions for the debate. Now mufti Abu laith wanted to debate here when then was not the purpose of this
Ismail Moosa That's fine but the title says debate. For someone just tuning in how would they know what you have just disclosed. They would obviously assume it was the actual debate. Nevertheless some credible sources and opinions by both speakers.
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
@@StayintouchThankx .. me salafi 😂😂.. no no... i do believe Muhammad SAW is NOOR and Bashr... and i do believe without questioning or reasoning one can't understand Deen.. and obviously people like asrar nake religion difficult for people.. unlike you i won't be judgmental towards you, so relax. and don't get triggered 😂
@Floofy shibe I think nobody will stand a chance for more than 5 minutes against Asrar. People will leave the stage before minute 5 because Asrar is so annoying.
He has debated plenty of people and done very well in my opinion. This was not suppose to be a debate, it was a discussion on how they will debate and what the rules will be. However the mufti did not want to do that and was talking about random stuff. As there were no rules set you then get chaos and people talking over one another which is what shaykh asrar wanted to avoid
@@ahlussunnahuk5242 please do not blindly follow you shiekh. This was in no way a pre-debate discussion as they did not discuss conditions. This was meant to be a discussion. Shiekh Asrar did what he always does and that is to hide behind technicalities and beat around the bush. May your eyes of your heart be opened
He was invited for a debate and as much as I admire the sheik but he did make a open challenge to him and on a intellectual level the debate would of been great if only he got on with it and as the messenger Muhammad sws said there is nothing more better then intellect and tbh I started getting a headache watching the beginning of this but once they both got into it MashAllah it was good
To be honest, I totally understand the Sheikh's perspective. They needed to establish the rules of the debate. Otherwise, one will not agree to the principles of debating each other, and it would just go around in circles anyway. Abu Layth also kept dodging the question of Ali R.A and how to prove the establishment of his Caliphate. Because if he agreed, then he agrees to Ijma (consensus of the population), in which case his entire Aqedah about Isa ibn Mariyam R.A becomes useless. Therefore, this debate was forever going to run in circles because the principles of the debate differ between both of them. Conversely, the Sheikh could not admit that just the Qur'an's accounts are enough for this debate, because the Qur'an makes general statements regarding this issue. Furthermore, they would have had to agree upon which types of Hadiths would be accepted, such as Sahih, Hassan, Zaaif, etc. I believe, that Mufti Abu Layth is wrong in this discussion. Because for this debate, he is purposefully leaving out Ijma. One could ask him, how he follows the Maliki school of Islamic Jurisprudence, if he does not agree with Ijma. And that is exactly where the problem lies. Since Abu Layth does not follow consensus of populations (especially Islamic scholars), he has made tattoos legal, drinking legal (to an extent), drug use legal, bank interest legal (to an extent), etc etc. He loosely follows the Maliki fiqh, but chooses to differ on any matter of Ijma. That is why his whole law system isn't Maliki, it's "A Specific Rendition of the Maliki Fiqh: by Mufti Abu Layth".
This mufti just wanted a free flowing conversation without any rules of engagement. A formal debate has to have conditions and principles which both sides abide by otherwise it will just be chaos. You have to determine, in a religious debate between two sides which adhere to the same faith tradition, what kind of evidence is admissible.
Muhammad Abdul Qaadir shhh don't speak the truth. Can't expect people to understand conditions and principles of a debate needing to be clarified. Unfortunately that is the way it is these days.
Abu Layth just wanted a free flow discussion . This thing didn't even get off the ground . I agree. Up until 24.32 there was very little/zero progress or actual discussion. The topic not just of the belief in the descent of Jesus but the reason for his being taken up , and the reason for the extention on his life ie his actual existence in the first place , does create an expansive foundation for the richest of topical discussions . Unfortunately , I don't think there was the will or the desire on Sheikh Asrar's part to carry it forward. As much as Sheikh Abu Layth wanted it. Maybe. If Abu Layth just decided to stay quiet and let Sheikh Asrar say whatever he wanted, until he got tired of it, maybe then the conversation could have started . I understand where SH. Abu Layth is coming from, & sympathise with the fact that as a Muslim , his 'fault' should have either been ignored or given minimum airtime . It seems however that SH. Israr wasn't going to be satisfied until he got him to admit his fault and apologise publicly on screen on top of it all, before anything could even move forward . And then. The conversation happened in SH. Abu Layth's home. There should have at least been some respect for that, & an element of informality / leaway could or should have been given to help the discussion to move forward . But it did seemingly not . I don't agree with Abu Layth's view by the way, on the 'non return' of Jesus. Which is why I think this would have been a very important discussion to have. Maybe next time.
BTW I've written extensively on my own belief that Jesus of Nazareth is deceased according to Islamic teachings islamsalvationfromhell.blogspot.ca/p/death-of-jesus.html
Even though I don't agree with Abu layth, I think his patience should be saluted. I'm surprised he didn't punch the sheiek after 10 mins. The sheik is very annoying. He is embarrassing and should not be representing us.
In the beginning he was simply educating Abu Layth as to the fact that comparing the 2nd coming of Isa AS to santa clause is wildly disrespectful and lacks the most basic of muslim etiquette in the context of scholarly debate and difference of opinion. The so-called mufti should know this
Abu Layth is an individual who has no credentials or credibility. However, that's my opinion, and on this occasion, Asrar Rashid is time wasting. Just get to the point.
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
everyone is blaming Asrar - but i dont think people realize how a debate and a conversation to such a degree like this should be established before moving forward - ESPECIALLY IF RECORDED FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN asrar is asking these other questions in regard to ijima for a REASON, its a socrates tactic actually - not that hes some greek lover lol but its a good way to have someone contradict themselves - because Layth does take certain understandings via sahih hadiths only (which is honorable, yes) of the prophet but he ALSO uses the consensus of the sahabah and the umala in other matters but not on this very matter - which Asrar is trying to show he doesn’t believe in it off his arbitrary opinion (which is okay), but thats what Asrar was trying to establish and I am not saying Asrar is right in this debate or that Layth is wrong WHATSOEVER (in regard to whether Isa is coming back)- but if anyone cant see why Asrar is trying to drill these questions before talking straight away about Isa is not too knowledgable in these matters - and I disagree with both these men in many things - though I am a fan that neither of them are some strict modern salafists who say they dont blind follow in aqeedah but literally do so with Ibn Taymiyyah - which is FINE- but I cant stand when they dont admit it and just say my aqeedah is the “Quran and Sunnah” ….. as if everyones aqeedah besides themselves is not an interpretation of the “Quran and Sunnah” - smh
Totally agree. The mufti is hugely misguided. May Allah guide him. Totally commend Sheikh Asrar for his patience enduring the emotional outbursts disguised as critical reasoning by Abu Layth. Literal Man vs Boy situation here.
Sheikh Asrar, you will honestly lose many followers if you continue with this border line condescending behaviour. I have always appreciated your debates, but 30+ minutes of patronising your opponent like that is just wrong. I was getting fed up with this, I can only imagine how your opponents will be feeling. Whether this is a tactic or not, only god knows best.
And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path. Quran(43:61) it's also noted in another ayah Jesus(AS) didn't die on the cross and Allah(Subhanahu wa Tala) raised him. this ayah refutes the muftis claim unless he wants to deny the Quran.
The verse is not clear cut. I think it's likely to mean what you're saying but it's not indisputable. If you look at the Arabic, Jesus does not appear by name in that verse. Rather, a pronoun/article is used and it is assumed that it refers to Jesus because he is mentioned by name two verses earlier. However, some translators think that the pronoun is just an article. Others think it refers to Jesus' first coming since the verse two earlier talks about his past life.
To those saying "Take this video down". If we're gonna take down anything that makes Muslims look bad than let's start with the hadith on Jesus coming back to save the world.
@@afgissa7471 Aha, according to the hadith, this is how you have to pray: ” Pray as you have seen me praying” (Sahih Bukhari: 631) There is no single hadith who can taught you how to pray. So Sunnah must be something else, maybe the practice of our Beloved Prophet (saw)? This is the answer when you search the internet
How to perform Salah according to the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) Allah Has made Prayer (Salah), which is one of the Five Pillars of Islam, compulsory on his slaves and ordered them to establish it and perform it well. The Prayer (Salah) is one of the most important things which our Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.) had explained to the people, verbally and practically. He (S.A.W.) obligated us to copy him in his prayer. We have learn the Salah from our elders or people around us. Now we also have books made by our elders, from the people.
Asrar please next time you challenge someone. Send a sheet with terms etc in advance to the person so that they fill it in and send back. I feel you lack in debating
Before he can send a sheet he needs to send a pre-sheet which will establish what size and style font will be used on the sheet. Then a meeting to establish if we are going to print said sheet or email it. But before this meeting we are goning to have a pre-meet to determine the rules of when and where we're gonna meet. But to organise that meeting we will need a sheet and it starts again. If we ever get out of that circle we still have to establish if the sheet is Tasdiq, Taqsim or other. This is serious.
Every Muslim is told by prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to study cradle to the grave, you cant rely on short lectures to guide us or you. your supposed to study for years and find the truth which takes time
There is no question that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, taught that Sayyiduna 'Isa, peace be upon him would appear. This is expressed in the most explicit language, in reports from multiple Companions transmitted by very strong isnads. How on earth can a belief based on this sort of evidence be mocked by comparing it to a belief in Santa Claus?
Al-Kahf 18:54 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.
00:05 the sign of the devil as some may think. It is also throwing a curse on to someone according satan worshippers like Alistair Crowley. Naudubillah
I support Asrar rashid in 99% of what he says. I was a massive fan of his & very impressed by his knowledge & skills. I am NO LONGER a fan of his debating skills. I am embarrassed that he didn’t stick to his position of him sitting with Abu layth for conditions and instead starting debating him(WITHOUT these CONDITIONS) in comparison to what he said AND DONE in other debates his had such as with Abdur Rahman and especially the other guy from Bradford. I really am against ABU LAYTHS beliefs but sheikh Asrars debating style is so embarrassing and NITPICKING that even after everything I have mentioned above ; I SAY ABU LAYTH HAS WON THIS DEBATE despite Asrar being more on the HAQQ than ABU LAYTH can ever be. What a shame Asrar. Despite having more of the HAQQ on your side than Abu layth you have done a terrible job, just because of how you conduct yourself in debates. It is shameful that you did not stick to your principles, how embarrassing you have become. Brother put your personal ego & agendas aside and fight with the HAQQ on your side and even a 1000 Abu Layths would not have the courage to come in front of you. Don’t mess it up. Allah SWT has given you this knowledge and skill for a reason. Rethink your approach and start over again brother with a clear slate.
Also, Shaykh Asrar had a very strong point that Isa (AS) could raise the dead and he did. Rasoolullah (SAW) may have been able to but didn't. Because of Allah's will. So if Isa (AS)'s presence can establish world peace, it's also possible because of the will of Allah
muhammad saw could not raise the dead, neither could isa. allah raised the dead whenever isa wanted that dead person to become alive. if prophet muhammad saw wouldn't even do that because he hasn't been given that authority to ask in the first place while isa was. the only proven thing in the hadith was that prophet muhammad saw was able to heal in some cases but not "unlimited" in the sense how isa was able to heal because one might wonder why he didnt heal his own wife or children? he obviously made dua for them but they still died by the will of allah so this idea that muhammad could do all the things previous prophets did is not true. he was given some things while they were given some things. like suleiman controlling jinn and the wind for example. muhammad saw was given the quran which greater miracle than anything previously done by the messengers
Why is this so hard to debate? 1.) Prophet Muhammad wasn't given the option to 'establish world peace', it wasn't God's will at the time to allow that yet... 2.) This hadith is about the END TIMES. After the enemies of Islam are destroyed. After armageddon. It's not solely BECAUSE OF JESUS DESCENDING, it's because this is simply a period in the future where Allah will establish world peace, and Jesus will be given the role to complete that.
Think this Asrar has been defeated one too many debates against Mufti Sahib and tried to denigrate him by making him apologise over something so trivial. Pretty pathetic. Well done Abu Layth for being patient in the face of ignorance
Abu Layth avoiding answering questions that were put to him to establish the principles of debate. E.g. do you accept khilafah of Abu Bakr and Ali? If he had answered, they would be able to establish the authenticity of ijma'a.
Asrar calls certain people he 'debates' as ignorant. It's clear that title of 'ignorant' suits Asrar perfectly. Abu Laith is one of my least favourite personalities anyway.
Am a muslim but Asrar needs to upgrade his skills, I saw him in many debates he is very arrogant and big headed, I saw him debating with muslims he is very arrogant he needs to study debate skills
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Wow! After about 45mins of listening to this, I've discovered and learned ...that listening to these two going at it, is a new way to get a headache :(
Imrite Hurr
The shaykh is socially naive
The mufti is immature
Only watched the first 20 mins so far
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
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Read my comment
I wish I read this comment first after 45 minutes i came to the comments to warn athers don't watch they will rob u of 45 minutes of your life. call 999
Not two the guy on the right is an idiot
I've seen thousands of stand-ups but this sitting stand-up show still remains the best
Seating down stand up
Take down the video under this title and upload it again under a new title - something like "Example of how Muslims should not discuss/debate."
No, because shaykh Asrar is there for the PRE DEBATE CONDITIONS not even the debate but there is an ignorant person who is not allowing that
@@zxmxn_ , if that took almost 2 hours, how long would take the debate?
It reminded me this: th-cam.com/video/beMkgdxP-W8/w-d-xo.html
Is that usual?
@blad90 , I replied to that: "Asrar is there for the PRE DEBATE CONDITIONS not even the debate". That's why I asked: "how long would take the debate?"
and flip it 90 degrees anti clockwise while you're at it.
Agreed!
Im not a big fan of abu layth, and with all due respect to Sheikh Asrar, but honestly when a man requests to be allowed to speak/explain himself, please be calm and let them speak, even if they’re going to be 100% wrong.
Same but it doesnt matter I actually changed my view and I dont believe Isa SAWS is coming back anymore.. I went back and saw his original argument and it makes sense and nobody is engaging him on it.. Why is everybody scared? And his arguments make sense the hadiths mentioning that are literally copy and pasted from the Bible and they contradict the Quran and hes right they're not in the Muwatta I have that book in my house. He actually changed my mind about it lol Wallah
No need to respect this sheikh he is a super sufi trying to act like a scholar
This is all plan of Allah. Can’t you see so called big Alim of Islam being ridiculed by a common student. Allah has not given them patience to have dialogue with logic, all they can do is don’t allow the opponent to speak. If they’d do, they will expose their own falsified believed.
sheikh asrar hade debate with a wahabi and he’s had debates with atheists and christians and those debates went smoothly because there needs to be rules just like life on earth without rules would be chaotic. and don’t disrespect sheikh asrar saying he’s a sufi trying to be a scholar or something he has more knowledge than your family combined i believe. learn to respect scholars what kind of muslims are you?! Don’t be ignorant and research and learn sheikh asrar could’ve said to abu leith are making fun God’s signs and verses because if a wahabi takfiry was there i believe he’d say abu leith is a kafir. for you my brothers and sisters all muslims who see this please study and learn the religion . some muslims don’t even know what sufism is! 😢
@@nadjiguemarful subhanaAllah, I just watched his lecture it is convincing and an eye opening subhanaAllah, he made many good points on how to deal with the hadith especially the muwatta of imam malik RA contradicting the hadith regarding jesus pbuh landing in damascus.
I watched it, wish I didn't. Pls remove this video for the sake of Allah, so others at least could save two hours of their precious time.
Muhammad Firaz Nawaz 100% Agree. this is a mockery even for my likings
I wish i read your comment 2 hours ago
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
Asrar Rashid is behavin like a kid
😂😂😂😂💀
What's sadder than Asrar's behaiviour is the fact that this comment section is filled with people defending it as a brilliant scholarly approach to a discussion.
both were sad in their own way, nahiem with no manners or ettiquette, & both beliefs
What's sadder is Naeem's cultists not seeing him for the buffoon he is. The only sad thing about Shaykh Asrar is that he even entertained this debate. He purely did this for notoriety, nobody serious takes that clown (Naeem) seriously. But for again the modern posse of clowns
The guy on the right looks like he just came back from a session and the one on the left is his older brother telling him off.
Lol class
😂😂
what session?
@@hypermangi8265 the one where men take turns to recklessly fuck your sister
@@hypermangi8265 the one where the ustads take turns to practice their dhirk in your moms ass cus she cant pay your madrasa fees
I have a new found appreciation and admiration for my 5 and 2 year old children! Why did I waste 58 minutes and 54 seconds of my precious life?! #Lesson in life
because this wasnt the debate. This was the pre debate rules discussion
@@AC-mp7cxI’m pretty sure this was the debate, there’s a seperate video called the pre debate
say that on the day of judgment
It doesn’t matter if you fast forward 20 minutes or one hour. The discussion sounds exactly the same meaning no discussion at all
Even though I disagree with Abu layth , Asrar rasheed probably never came in prepped he didn’t even want to talk about the subject . After 12 minutes can’t watch anymore lol
Maybe you should have watched to the end instead of making assumptions.
Brother watch it, it is worth it..
@@zayeemshafiq1887not worth it, MALM COOKED ASRAR
At the start of the video it's all "Santa Claus and seriousness"
Then its "is this a debate/discussion?"
Pathetic. Not a fanboy of either but Abu Layth is actually more mature in this video.
The shaykh may talk about respect and Khaybah, but cannot hold a conversation. Probably used to students not questioning him.
B A I agree Mufti Abu Layth was definitely bombarded with galloping peripherals. The other shiekh Asrar would have completely lost a debate against an atheist or christian.
I will say an hour or so into it, it gets clear where their ideas are coming from. I feel Asrar did strike some interesting rebuttals.
Isa Chavez
Yeah. Too long to wait for most though.
Shame. This could have been an interesting discussion.
@@ic6177
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
Sh Asrar seems to have difficulty picking up on social cues. I'm autistic, my son is too, and this is a trait. He went overboard on it.
Debate starts at 1:52:47
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One of the rules Sheikh Asrar highlighted 'you cant ask questions about something you already know the answer to', yet he repeatedly asked mufti a question about santa returning. Hmmmmmmmm
He genuinely thought Mufti believes in 🎅.
Can't believe shaykh Asrar made a fool of himself. What type of discussion was that? if you are going to debate then you debate, don't go round in circles. Propper avoiding the discussion. Why make an open challenge? I've made this comment after watching 30 minutes of this.
You didn't understand any of it did you? The sheikh was trying to get malhm to commit to the rules and he was getting away and not committing. The reason for fixing the rules is the man was using one yardstick for himself and another when it came to proving Jesus was returning to earth. Without laying out the rules of proof its not possible to argue. Mufti kept insisting is the coming of Jesus coming back written in the quran. He didn't want to use secondary or third sources of knowledge. Yet to prove the khilafa of Hazrat Ali he had used secondary sources. One thing essential in debate is to fix the rules so neither party can cheat.
@@bawkher Hahahaha you guys are hilarious. You take that nonsense seriously. Asrar made a fool of himself. Really.
@@gravewalker_0125 when it comes to our religion we take things seriously and don't mock it like layth does. There are rules of engagement in debating. People like layth bullsit and entertain audiences with mocking religion. That's not how Sheikh Asrar Rashid debates or behaves. There's a huge difference in character and knowledge of the two personalities.
@@bawkher Mocking? If you watch Mufti Abu Layth's videos you'll see he takes the religion far more seriously than you or Asrar or whoever. He said santa claus is coming. You and Asrar and those like you are getting bent up out of shape over a joke. If you cannot comprehend humor then don't be like humor police trying to ruin everything for other people. There was nothing disrespectful about what he said.
@@bawkher Rules. You really sat there for those 2 hours and ended up with the conclusion "Mashallah, Sheikh Asrar you're a bloody good debater?" He spent 2 hours asking questions that have nothing to do with the discussion. He spent 2 hours arguing moot points. In any professional debate or even just a normal conversation over a cup of tea, does it start the way this one did? 2 hours of just repeating and deflecting. Honestly, he was more disrespectful to Mufti Abu Layth than Abu Layth was to him. Your Sheikh Asrars demeanour was disgusting, he refused to let anyone else talk telling Mufti Abu Layth off, when he himself had launched into bloody monologues. His aggressiveness was just wacky dude. Mufti Abu Layth made one or two errors I agree 100%. I feel he should've just answered Asrars nonsensical question to disarm him and not allow him to divert because it was clear 100% that Asrar was incapable of discussing the issue of Isa (AS) with him. I also believe he shouldn't have hammered the "do you believe Jesus is better than the Prophet (PBUHAHF)". Since it states in the Quran ch 2 that Allah (SWT) makes no distinction between his messengers.
The Prophet (PBUHAHF) could not raise the dead as Allah (SWT) had not given him the ability to do so in his life. If we are talking capability then every single person on this Earth is capable of raising the dead since the ability to raise the dead or perform any miracle is possible through Allah (SWT) and whoever Allah (SWT) should will to perform this will perform this. So they were arguing a moot point again.
Asrar's followers have hoisted him up to such a high pedestal, that he has a problem coming down to earth.
He seems enraged
@@Andy-hi3yt why
This had the makings of an interesting discussion but S. Asrar is just not engaging. Not clever, the Mufti has shown such patience with all this diversion. Btw I've no link to either men.
You see your foolish and stupid are you saying that the quran is wrong and the mufti is wrong. Your all jahil especially your mufti is that why he got caught up in the Trojan Horse. You do make sense you fool
@@mohammedkhan2433 your ad hominem proves nothing you do realize that right? telling someone their stupid and a fool doesn't make you smart you do realize that right? more than anything actually makes you look more like the jahil, the one who calls everyone a jahil is more than likely the jahil.
Shaykh Asrar rashid was just adamant in clarifying issues first and laying principles down which have the upmost importance such as honour and respect for religion and beliefs.
@@sammas7422 Shaykh Asrar was avoiding the debate. What a waste of time.
@@shammk You couldnt be further from the truth. Shaykh just like all their previous dialogues/debates wishes to remain academic and have a sense of seriousness when it comes to beliefs. Rightfully so it's your Aakhira on the line.
Asrar Rashid always tries to stall with the "what are the rules of debate" issue...what patience Mufti!
Asrar doesn’t even letting mufti talk, how can someone even talk to him
Dr Abid he is not mufti
Let's just say, that some people are not too good at social related things.
That's how all of his "discussions" go. He postures and tries to dominate and dictate the whole conversation, constantly cutting the other person off. When he thinks he can get away with it he'll immediately ask security to drag the person out. I've seen him do this twice and security has refused both times LOL!
@@zohaibkhan8617 it's ironic and funny how the unlearned feel that they can determine whether some one is learned or not or determine the status of the learned.
He showed no respect to mufti
I am of the opinion of Shaykh Asrar but the way he’s acting in this video is just absurd. It’s ridiculous.
Ver bad
Both have different personalities which is fine however there's an approach to having a debate. If debate turns to mockery then there's no point in having a debate with such an individual.
Respect has to be there I think this is what Sheikh Asrar was trying to get across as he didn't feel comfortable debating with someone who thinks it's fine to throws jokes in-between quoting Hadith or Quranic verse, who doesn't understand the adab of debate.
Scholars don't debate in this manner.
Asrar is correct in reminding him to be accurate with his quotations and remember the adab.
Humour has it's place but not in serious discussions.
If a person doesn't understand that perhaps it's better to avoid such people.
excatly even tho i rated Abdurahman hassan when he debated asrar rashid i agree abu layth is very misguided and unprincriple. disgusting behavior he was showing.
Abdurahman Omar Disagreeing with Mufti is one thing but saying he's misguided is another, why do you guys feel you know who's guided and who's not? Isn't this religion about "guide us to the straight path". The irony is painful
Ibraheem Mughul yes I agree iron is painful, especially if you're hit over the head with it!
Abdurahman Omar are you God to say he's misguided? Sahaba acted like that too are you gonna call them disgusting? You only say this because you've been brainwashed to think that it's disrespectful to joke about and be a normal human being which is complete nonsense. This religion came to guide us, not to make us change our personalities
Al-Tirmidhi (2152) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, ‘Among this ummah those who disbelieve in the divine decree (al-qadr) will be swallowed up by the earth, transformed into monkeys and pigs or pelted with stones.” (Saheeh al-Tirmidhi, 1748).
This so called sheikh has no manners of a healthy debate
The ego on the man in the beard is at astonishing levels. Goodness me. He thinks he's the grand imam of Makkah. I'm a supporter of neither but how on earth can you possibly have a conversation with someone that repeatedly interrupts you?
They both interrupted each other tirelessly.
Are you Abu layths nephew
The ONLY WAY Asrar will play poker with you is if he KNOWS what cards you’re holding, AND he must know what the table cards are, THEN he’ll be willing to play. What a scammer Asrar is.
So impressed with Abu Layth's patience with Asrar Ahmad.
Myself Don't follow naheim ajmal , but one things for sure man , this Asrar is a hard man to converse with. Can't even breath without him interrupting
"We're having a debate, right?"
"No, we're having a discussion."
"BUT WHAT ARE THE RULES OF THE DEBATE?!"
because this wasnt the debate. This was the pre debate rules discussion
@@AC-mp7cx around 2 hrs to discuss rules...Dude you've been pranked
@Muwahid999 Brother this is usool e munazra it takes time are u not seeing that abu layth is laughing like a kid and behaving like a kid
Listening is not one of Asrars strongest qualities
Listening to an arrogant, a stubborn fake mufti, a misguided is certainly wasting the time. Asrar rashid was there to debate not listen to his speech.
@@muhammadfasiuddinrazvi4650 why debate if you can't listen and keep interrupting?
@@cpd7172 A debater must always have a relevant conversation. Fake mufti was going out of his mind So he interrupted him.
That hand sign at the beginning and the look on the other maulvis face is priceless
yeaaaahhh the illuminati sign. AMAZING bro let's promote the illuminati bro.
next he'll be putting a triangle with an eye in his videos
It had me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣
@@umarrares it’s actually rock on 🤘.
Timestamp??
What the heck! What an absolute shamble. Shaykh Asrar- What on earth are you doing? You had a hundred chances to engage in a proper discussion when the question was asked to you. Why not answer and begin the debate. You went round in circles about types of discussions- not needed at the time as all you have to do is talk about the subject. You failed here miserably. Well done to Muft Abu Layth for staying professional all the way.
Dr Dreamz this was not the debate, they agreed to make conditions for the debate. Now mufti Abu laith wanted to debate here when then was not the purpose of this
Ismail Moosa
That's fine but the title says debate. For someone just tuning in how would they know what you have just disclosed. They would obviously assume it was the actual debate. Nevertheless some credible sources and opinions by both speakers.
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The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
Why on earth is the screen sideways? Has the video guy never used a camera before??
None of them in that room have sense
Abu layth has the patience of a stone 😅
In a proper well set debate asrar won't even survive for 5 minutes with that debate skill.
Loooool you must be a salafi of some sort
@@StayintouchThankx .. me salafi 😂😂..
no no... i do believe Muhammad SAW is NOOR and Bashr...
and i do believe without questioning or reasoning one can't understand Deen.. and obviously people like asrar nake religion difficult for people..
unlike you i won't be judgmental towards you, so relax.
and don't get triggered 😂
@Floofy shibe I think nobody will stand a chance for more than 5 minutes against Asrar. People will leave the stage before minute 5 because Asrar is so annoying.
He has debated plenty of people and done very well in my opinion. This was not suppose to be a debate, it was a discussion on how they will debate and what the rules will be. However the mufti did not want to do that and was talking about random stuff. As there were no rules set you then get chaos and people talking over one another which is what shaykh asrar wanted to avoid
@@ahlussunnahuk5242 please do not blindly follow you shiekh. This was in no way a pre-debate discussion as they did not discuss conditions. This was meant to be a discussion. Shiekh Asrar did what he always does and that is to hide behind technicalities and beat around the bush.
May your eyes of your heart be opened
He was invited for a debate and as much as I admire the sheik but he did make a open challenge to him and on a intellectual level the debate would of been great if only he got on with it and as the messenger Muhammad sws said there is nothing more better then intellect and tbh I started getting a headache watching the beginning of this but once they both got into it MashAllah it was good
To be honest, I totally understand the Sheikh's perspective. They needed to establish the rules of the debate. Otherwise, one will not agree to the principles of debating each other, and it would just go around in circles anyway. Abu Layth also kept dodging the question of Ali R.A and how to prove the establishment of his Caliphate. Because if he agreed, then he agrees to Ijma (consensus of the population), in which case his entire Aqedah about Isa ibn Mariyam R.A becomes useless. Therefore, this debate was forever going to run in circles because the principles of the debate differ between both of them. Conversely, the Sheikh could not admit that just the Qur'an's accounts are enough for this debate, because the Qur'an makes general statements regarding this issue. Furthermore, they would have had to agree upon which types of Hadiths would be accepted, such as Sahih, Hassan, Zaaif, etc.
I believe, that Mufti Abu Layth is wrong in this discussion. Because for this debate, he is purposefully leaving out Ijma. One could ask him, how he follows the Maliki school of Islamic Jurisprudence, if he does not agree with Ijma. And that is exactly where the problem lies. Since Abu Layth does not follow consensus of populations (especially Islamic scholars), he has made tattoos legal, drinking legal (to an extent), drug use legal, bank interest legal (to an extent), etc etc. He loosely follows the Maliki fiqh, but chooses to differ on any matter of Ijma. That is why his whole law system isn't Maliki, it's "A Specific Rendition of the Maliki Fiqh: by Mufti Abu Layth".
It's excruciating to watch. It is best to bring a friend that can help you laugh thru the painful bits.
Manners is important show urself with dignity and humbleness
thank you both for teaching me ................... absolutely nothing. If nothing was something, this video is the summary of nothing.
because this wasnt the debate. This was the pre debate rules discussion
Can someone check if Asrars wife & kids are ok. The bloke makes you lose the will to live!
I really wish I was in the same room this was going on I would of had such a good time
There is a difference between a scholar and someone who reads and thinks they are smart. Shaykh Asrar read and thinks he is smart.
love this vertical orientation, not easy to shoot videos like this.
Some people can't shoot a simple video
This came to my feed in May 2024, thank god for the comments saved me 2 hours.
This mufti just wanted a free flowing conversation without any rules of engagement. A formal debate has to have conditions and principles which both sides abide by otherwise it will just be chaos. You have to determine, in a religious debate between two sides which adhere to the same faith tradition, what kind of evidence is admissible.
Muhammad Abdul Qaadir spot on.
Muhammad Abdul Qaadir spot on
Muhammad Abdul Qaadir shhh don't speak the truth. Can't expect people to understand conditions and principles of a debate needing to be clarified. Unfortunately that is the way it is these days.
Abu Layth just wanted a free flow discussion . This thing didn't even get off the ground . I agree. Up until 24.32 there was very little/zero progress or actual discussion. The topic not just of the belief in the descent of Jesus but the reason for his being taken up , and the reason for the extention on his life ie his actual existence in the first place , does create an expansive foundation for the richest of topical discussions . Unfortunately , I don't think there was the will or the desire on Sheikh Asrar's part to carry it forward. As much as Sheikh Abu Layth wanted it. Maybe. If Abu Layth just decided to stay quiet and let Sheikh Asrar say whatever he wanted, until he got tired of it, maybe then the conversation could have started . I understand where SH. Abu Layth is coming from, & sympathise with the fact that as a Muslim , his 'fault' should have either been ignored or given minimum airtime . It seems however that SH. Israr wasn't going to be satisfied until he got him to admit his fault and apologise publicly on screen on top of it all, before anything could even move forward . And then. The conversation happened in SH. Abu Layth's home. There should have at least been some respect for that, & an element of informality / leaway could or should have been given to help the discussion to move forward . But it did seemingly not . I don't agree with Abu Layth's view by the way, on the 'non return' of Jesus. Which is why I think this would have been a very important discussion to have. Maybe next time.
BTW I've written extensively on my own belief that Jesus of Nazareth is deceased according to Islamic teachings islamsalvationfromhell.blogspot.ca/p/death-of-jesus.html
Even though I don't agree with Abu layth, I think his patience should be saluted. I'm surprised he didn't punch the sheiek after 10 mins. The sheik is very annoying. He is embarrassing and should not be representing us.
You are so correct omg
Shiekh Asrar wanted to establish rules of engagement and Abu Layth didn’t want, and Abu Layth kept mocking Islamic beliefs which is disrespectful.
@@samuelknair1888 no Abu Layth is dumb ngl
In the beginning he was simply educating Abu Layth as to the fact that comparing the 2nd coming of Isa AS to santa clause is wildly disrespectful and lacks the most basic of muslim etiquette in the context of scholarly debate and difference of opinion. The so-called mufti should know this
Abu Layth is an individual who has no credentials or credibility. However, that's my opinion, and on this occasion, Asrar Rashid is time wasting. Just get to the point.
Wauw! This was so embarrassing. 2h nonstop yelling and not listening.
Please don't debate ever again.
this discussion should have moderator to make the discussion flows to the right topic instead of going anywhere
Its a simple question “do you believe Santa Claus is going to come back?” 😂😂 muftis reaction killed me 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
do you believe drinking camel urine is best for health according to prophet?you must try it,it's sunnah.
The real debate started much later, where Asrar Rashid clearly established his point ...... I also wanted to end watching it, but when i switched to last 30 minutes the discussion made sense
Guy on left seems very rude not letting other guy speak, speaking over him, congratulate guy on right with his patience manners and character
A moderator is needed to regulate this discussion, because this was a complete waste of time.
With apologize Mr israr this not the way of debating 🤔. You are not letting speak other
I want my hours back!!!!
I got so bored I started looking at what biscuits were on display.
😂🤣😂😅
Just roll with it sheikh!
Mufti stomped Asrar at the end.
everyone is blaming Asrar - but i dont think people realize how a debate and a conversation to such a degree like this should be established before moving forward - ESPECIALLY IF RECORDED FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN
asrar is asking these other questions in regard to ijima for a REASON, its a socrates tactic actually - not that hes some greek lover lol but its a good way to have someone contradict themselves - because Layth does take certain understandings via sahih hadiths only (which is honorable, yes) of the prophet but he ALSO uses the consensus of the sahabah and the umala in other matters but not on this very matter - which Asrar is trying to show he doesn’t believe in it off his arbitrary opinion (which is okay), but thats what Asrar was trying to establish
and I am not saying Asrar is right in this debate or that Layth is wrong WHATSOEVER (in regard to whether Isa is coming back)- but if anyone cant see why Asrar is trying to drill these questions before talking straight away about Isa is not too knowledgable in these matters - and I disagree with both these men in many things - though I am a fan that neither of them are some strict modern salafists who say they dont blind follow in aqeedah but literally do so with Ibn Taymiyyah - which is FINE- but I cant stand when they dont admit it and just say my aqeedah is the “Quran and Sunnah” ….. as if everyones aqeedah besides themselves is not an interpretation of the “Quran and Sunnah” - smh
May Allah teach this ummah how to love one another
Shaykh catching mufti out time and time again. Humour and derailment wasn't enough this time.
Totally agree. The mufti is hugely misguided. May Allah guide him. Totally commend Sheikh Asrar for his patience enduring the emotional outbursts disguised as critical reasoning by Abu Layth. Literal Man vs Boy situation here.
Did we watch the same thing?
@@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSS I don't think so. Asrar's a joke
This israr guy is shockin.
debate begins @30:00
Sheikh Asrar, you will honestly lose many followers if you continue with this border line condescending behaviour. I have always appreciated your debates, but 30+ minutes of patronising your opponent like that is just wrong. I was getting fed up with this, I can only imagine how your opponents will be feeling. Whether this is a tactic or not, only god knows best.
None of these talkative personals have the quality of being a proper Sheikh in Islam
And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.
Quran(43:61)
it's also noted in another ayah Jesus(AS) didn't die on the cross and Allah(Subhanahu wa Tala) raised him.
this ayah refutes the muftis claim unless he wants to deny the Quran.
The verse is not clear cut. I think it's likely to mean what you're saying but it's not indisputable.
If you look at the Arabic, Jesus does not appear by name in that verse. Rather, a pronoun/article is used and it is assumed that it refers to Jesus because he is mentioned by name two verses earlier.
However, some translators think that the pronoun is just an article.
Others think it refers to Jesus' first coming since the verse two earlier talks about his past life.
@@mohammedcharlesmurphy2837
Didn't you read the verse before? If not about him then who is mentioned in that Innahu?
To those saying "Take this video down". If we're gonna take down anything that makes Muslims look bad than let's start with the hadith on Jesus coming back to save the world.
If this was a part of our faith it would have been in the Quran. The Quran is complete and fully detailed.
You need sunnah. Allah says in the quran to pray. But how to pray? Look at the sunnah. The return or Jesus is in the sunnah.
@@afgissa7471 what do you mean by Sunnah, because you said, the return of Isa is in the the Sunnah?
@@ImranAli-vv2mu in terms of the hadith of the prophet.
@@afgissa7471 Aha, according to the hadith, this is how you have to pray:
” Pray as you have seen me praying” (Sahih Bukhari: 631)
There is no single hadith who can taught you how to pray.
So Sunnah must be something else, maybe the practice of our Beloved Prophet (saw)?
This is the answer when you search the internet
How to perform Salah according to the Sunnah of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
Allah Has made Prayer (Salah), which is one of the Five Pillars of Islam, compulsory on his slaves and ordered them to establish it and perform it well. The Prayer (Salah) is one of the most important things which our Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W.) had explained to the people, verbally and practically. He (S.A.W.) obligated us to copy him in his prayer.
We have learn the Salah from our elders or people around us. Now we also have books made by our elders, from the people.
Asrar wastes too much time
he doesn't have value for time....
No he is trying to show what is write
@@farhanali855 😅😅😅
I am considering becoming a Jedi after this.
Lol
Hahaha
Lol
Jedi is my mate!😂
Asrar please next time you challenge someone. Send a sheet with terms etc in advance to the person so that they fill it in and send back. I feel you lack in debating
Before he can send a sheet he needs to send a pre-sheet which will establish what size and style font will be used on the sheet.
Then a meeting to establish if we are going to print said sheet or email it.
But before this meeting we are goning to have a pre-meet to determine the rules of when and where we're gonna meet.
But to organise that meeting we will need a sheet and it starts again.
If we ever get out of that circle we still have to establish if the sheet is Tasdiq, Taqsim or other.
This is serious.
Sheikh Asrar! Could you please consult a psychologist?
Yeah because pseudo Mufti won’t consult one, Shaykh Asrar should do so on behalf of Abu Layth
Guys on the comments, please watch the whole thing before commenting. The end says it all
If our leaders carry on like plonkers where does this leave the Umrah?? Seriously we are doomed!!!
These 2 are no leaders thou
Only if you look at these internet scholars as sources of information :)
Every Muslim is told by prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to study cradle to the grave, you cant rely on short lectures to guide us or you. your supposed to study for years and find the truth which takes time
>Did prophet Muhammad raise the dead?
His miracle of the Qur'an is greater than raising the dead.
There is no question that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, taught that Sayyiduna 'Isa, peace be upon him would appear. This is expressed in the most explicit language, in reports from multiple Companions transmitted by very strong isnads. How on earth can a belief based on this sort of evidence be mocked by comparing it to a belief in Santa Claus?
Asrar, come on the topic, Asrar wasted a lot of time,
Asrar knows he will be beaten flat in a fair debate so he tries to confuse the whole issue. It is a big disgrace.
Al-Kahf 18:54
وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا فِى هَٰذَا ٱلْقُرْءَانِ لِلنَّاسِ مِن كُلِّ مَثَلٍۚ وَكَانَ ٱلْإِنسَٰنُ أَكْثَرَ شَىْءٍ جَدَلًا
And We have certainly diversified in this Quran for the people from every [kind of] example; but man has ever been, most of anything, [prone to] dispute.
Asar!!! Will u shut for a moment,,, beating the bush around!?!
how is shaykh asrar beating around the bush!!!!!
its abu layth whose beating around the bush!!!
layth doesn't deserve to be called mufti
Mufti layth won the debate the moment Asar started running off the question.
It is peace not only for him but for whole ummah like Palestine, and other conflict zones
Well that went well!!!!
00:05 the sign of the devil as some may think. It is also throwing a curse on to someone according satan worshippers like Alistair Crowley. Naudubillah
Sign of times my dear friends
that say muslims since 800 y xD .... nithing new
I support Asrar rashid in 99% of what he says. I was a massive fan of his & very impressed by his knowledge & skills.
I am NO LONGER a fan of his debating skills.
I am embarrassed that he didn’t stick to his position of him sitting with Abu layth for conditions and instead starting debating him(WITHOUT these CONDITIONS) in comparison to what he said AND DONE in other debates his had such as with Abdur Rahman and especially the other guy from Bradford.
I really am against ABU LAYTHS beliefs but sheikh Asrars debating style is so embarrassing and NITPICKING that even after everything I have mentioned above ; I SAY ABU LAYTH HAS WON THIS DEBATE despite Asrar being more on the HAQQ than ABU LAYTH can ever be.
What a shame Asrar.
Despite having more of the HAQQ on your side than Abu layth you have done a terrible job, just because of how you conduct yourself in debates.
It is shameful that you did not stick to your principles, how embarrassing you have become.
Brother put your personal ego & agendas aside and fight with the HAQQ on your side and even a 1000 Abu Layths would not have the courage to come in front of you.
Don’t mess it up.
Allah SWT has given you this knowledge and skill for a reason.
Rethink your approach and start over again brother with a clear slate.
Also, Shaykh Asrar had a very strong point that Isa (AS) could raise the dead and he did. Rasoolullah (SAW) may have been able to but didn't. Because of Allah's will. So if Isa (AS)'s presence can establish world peace, it's also possible because of the will of Allah
muhammad saw could not raise the dead, neither could isa. allah raised the dead whenever isa wanted that dead person to become alive. if prophet muhammad saw wouldn't even do that because he hasn't been given that authority to ask in the first place while isa was. the only proven thing in the hadith was that prophet muhammad saw was able to heal in some cases but not "unlimited" in the sense how isa was able to heal because one might wonder why he didnt heal his own wife or children? he obviously made dua for them but they still died by the will of allah so this idea that muhammad could do all the things previous prophets did is not true. he was given some things while they were given some things. like suleiman controlling jinn and the wind for example. muhammad saw was given the quran which greater miracle than anything previously done by the messengers
@@xondeez757 write ﷺ after Prophet ﷺ name , similarly other Prophets (peace be upon them all)
Why is this so hard to debate? 1.) Prophet Muhammad wasn't given the option to 'establish world peace', it wasn't God's will at the time to allow that yet... 2.) This hadith is about the END TIMES. After the enemies of Islam are destroyed. After armageddon. It's not solely BECAUSE OF JESUS DESCENDING, it's because this is simply a period in the future where Allah will establish world peace, and Jesus will be given the role to complete that.
I’m laughing my eyes out listening to these two. 😂
This is why rules of the debate are set beforehand so they dont end up talking over each other!
Seems like two cats, not two shaikh. This is what we learn from our respected muftis
Everything wrong with Islam is within the first 15 minutes of this video. May Allah have mercy on us.
SubhanAllah sheikh asrar Rashid 💚💚💚 🌹🌹🌹🤲🤲🤲
clip (titled Abu Layth (Nahiem Ajmal) Mockery Of The Religion) starts at 17:15 ends at 20:12
Asrar rashid lost the debate.
😂
Think this Asrar has been defeated one too many debates against Mufti Sahib and tried to denigrate him by making him apologise over something so trivial. Pretty pathetic. Well done Abu Layth for being patient in the face of ignorance
Bro Asraar, why u arguing just come to start debate, why u make issues
How are people defending Abu Layth here? Can't you see his behaviour does not embody that of a scholar at all!!!
Salaams
Honestly if you dont like someone or not agree with someone its ok. Why you challange someone n dont even talk about it?
Principles of debate are essential. What is happening, is a lack of appreciation for the framework in which the debate should be governed.
at what minute does the debate start?
Its still on going Sheikh is still sorting out the principles of debate
Never
It never does.....hehehhehe
Abu Layth avoiding answering questions that were put to him to establish the principles of debate. E.g. do you accept khilafah of Abu Bakr and Ali? If he had answered, they would be able to establish the authenticity of ijma'a.
Asrar calls certain people he 'debates' as ignorant. It's clear that title of 'ignorant' suits Asrar perfectly.
Abu Laith is one of my least favourite personalities anyway.
Am a muslim but Asrar needs to upgrade his skills, I saw him in many debates he is very arrogant and big headed, I saw him debating with muslims he is very arrogant he needs to study debate skills