Peter Pan is a good example. Based on the book at least, Hook just wants to leave Neverland. But Pan keeps him there because he wants someone to torment. And when Hook stands up to him...he cuts his hand off and makes him watch as he feeds it to a crocodile. If that weren't enough, Peter kills his own lost boys for growing up. It's something that they can't help obviously, and those who actually manage to escape are taken under Hook's wing and become his crew aboard the Jolly Roger.
That is very true about Peter Pan you want true proof on how evil he is watch Peter Pan in Once Upon A Time (ABC show) Season 3 That shows you really truly how cruel he really is.
The book is an adaption (and I think there are several) of a story that’s originally a play. (OoT is also an adaption.) That said...I still hate Peter, although think the play basically turned Peter into a sociopath as “Why Children Should Grow Up...Eventually” as its main theme
I think the queen is innocent, at least that's what the Maleficent film showed. It's more of the king's fault. He's the one who cut off Maleficent's wings
I really don't take the movie Malificent seriously. What people have forgotten is how vindictive they Fey were in Fairy tales and folklore. The idea of "good" Fey is relatively recent. They Fey originally were divided into evil and non evil. They only difference being the non evil would leave you in peace as long as you didn't offend them and the evil ones would do stuff for the evilz. The evil Fey were well known for disperpotiant retribution, targeting the offspring because of something the parents did and doing stuff just because they felt like it. Speaking of disperportionate retribution Beauty and the beast. One version I read the prince was cursed by a Fey who had a grudge with the prince's mother
Ya and if u look back into the history of hades he was given the role of being the god of the underworld and zues didn't even give hades a chance to say how he felt about being the god of the underworld so ya zues was the bad guy the whole time for not giving hades a chance to explain how he felt about guarding the underworld for eternity and for not even allowing hades in Olympus for the celebration of Hercules birth he was not invited only because he was the god of the underworld so you are right that zues is the real bad guy of the movie Hercules for not giving hades a chance to explain how he felt
To be fair, with Kuzco he was written that way on purpose . That's was the point. At first he's this selfish spoiled brat who doesn't care about anyone but himself but as the movie went by he realizes the error of his ways and changes
One more thing about The Enchantress, the servants say in the song “Be Our Guest” that it has been 10 years that they have been household appliances. From what I have heard during that time belle came he was 21. Now two things could have happened. 1. The spell also caused him to stay 21 until the spell was broken Or 2. He was 11 TRYING TO PREVENT AN OLD LADY HE DIDN’T RECOGNIZE INTO THE CASTLE BECAUSE OF STRANGER DANGER. (Its a big stretch ik)
Hmm, in the original tale, I think the beast was waaaayyy older than belle. Like it’s pretty obvious what this fairytale is really about here.....arranged marriages. Like back then women had to get married otherwise they would not have things like food to eat. So sometimes they had to settle for an old ugly guy. But this tale is preaching about what matters on the inside, (for the man, not the girl) and fathers can trade their daughter for whatever the hell they want, like a few roses (look it up) and everyone lives happily ever after. So, anways, the beast was like a middle aged guy by the time belle shows up in the real fairy tale.
@@crystalraf I don't know but if she didn't truly love him she could have kissed him all she wanted and he wouldn't have changed back into a man. Although women don't depend on men anymore nowadays which is obviously better, I think many people have forgotten how to love and are judgmental of the old days when people were still taught that love isn't a feeling (that's infatuation) but a choice to commit and spend a lifetime together. People think they are falling in love nowadays while they only fall in lust. They share the bed and then leave each other. Or share the bed, marry, enjoy doing it until bad times arrive and then divorce. Most of the time children are the biggest victims of divorce. Most of the time this happens because the lack of intimacy at a certain point. And if intimacy was the core of the relationship, it's easy to understand that without it there's nothing left. No time era was perfect. And today certainly is not. I have decided to stay single for the rest of my life because this generation doesn't understand what love is anymore. People are not ready to love. They are ready to lust. And lie. And cheat. Abuse. Use. Etc. But love is something so rare among this generation! It's all just lust now. I would rather marry an old ugly guy that knows the true value of love than a fellow millennial that will leave me when my skin starts sagging and my libido goes down. But much better is not to marry at all. I used to be a romantic and I used to love the story of Beauty and the Beast. But I have learned the hardest way that you can't trust anyone but yourself. And cats.
@@simonacannizzo5141 because those are the only 2 scenarios that make sense with the given information and time line. He either was cursed to not age under the duration of the spell or he was curse as an adolescent and as another person mentioned, ten years passed making the beast (Prince Adam) in his early twenties in the time the movie takes place. As much as the idea isn't pleasant, but the most plausible explanation is the prince was cursed in his preteen or teen years. (What person in that age bracket wasn't a rebellious, mouthy brat during that time frame?) And with that logic, that makes the enchantress childish, hot headed and spiteful.
Wait a minute. Triton isn' t a bad guy . If you try to remember, his wife was killed by a human. That' s why he doesn't his daughter to have contact with humans. He is worried for his precious daughter
Oddish43 his reactions are understandable. She continues to disobey them, and do things that could get her killed. If I was Triton, I would have done the same thing.
8:18 - I could be jumping to conclusions, but I had the impression that Mufasa treated Scar the way he did because Scar had a long history of behaving badly and Mufasa was very nearly done with him.
Scar tried to kill Mufasa before though, and that's how he got his scar and his second name. Yes his parents set him up for this by naming him Taka but idk. It just explains Mufasas actions
Well thanks to Disney junior we know scars most of scars backstory and mufasa said is that a challenge in the new movie (I saw it) scar(taka)Said I wouldn't dare challenge you again but I don't remember if that's when he said big brother?
That's the recipe of Disney movies: redemption arcs. Aladdin, in my opinion, is no different from Jafar. Jafar wanted power. By marrying Jasmine, Aladdin is poised to be one of the most powerful individuals in the kingdom. And that's not even counting his friendship with the Genie, the most powerful being in the movie. Let me ask you, which has more ambition: the vizier wanting to be king or the street urchin wanting to be the king's son in law? Ariel is foolish and curious, yes. But curiosity does kill the cat. And given what happened in the film, it was rightly so. Woody is kind of a jerk in not accepting Buzz into his toy family. He's selfish and always wanted to be Andy's no. 1 toy. Dude nearly don't want to go back home in Toy Story 2 and he was so adamant about going with Andy to college in Toy Story 3 that he's willing to leave his friends to the tyranny of Lazlo the toy bear. And I haven't seen Toy Story 4 yet.
Ok, fine, but there's such a thing as a proportional response here. Maybe give the king and queen a plague of warts or something. You know, something unpleasant and lingering, nothing worse.
Yeah, if they wanted to stay as neutral as they should have stayed neutral. They did not have to slight her like that in front of everyone. Her response was uncalled for but still what they did was wrong.
This is why using the terms "villians" and "heros" are problematic. It's a little better to consider them antagonists and protagonists. These terms have a bit more leeway for the gray areas.
I COMPLETELY agree with Aurora's parents especially after what happened in D3. In fact, I bet of the 2 HAD invited Maleficent, she would've gifted her with common sense between right/wrong and wisdom.
@Jeremiah Elijah I'm just thinking as a what if situation. If you look at the other animation version of Sleepy Beauty it's the same situation but in those ones, the last fairy is pissed because all her friends have golden plates while she got the broken one. I'm just thinking as a whole.
@@tessb.lichtman4547 I'm thinking of this as a whole. I know it's not canon but at the same time it's not a AU for it's still under the Disney Princess universe.
they thought she was dead and the if I remember that version correctly, the king had to improvise at the last moment on what plates to use for her too.
In my writing I’m obsessed with giving bad guys a past to explain why they are the way they are And I’m also obsessed with making the good guys evil and the bad guys good It’s just how I write
I think the thing that makes some of the characters "good" is that they learn compared to the villain. The villain doesnt see their wrong. Some of these characters learn from it which I guess makes them more human and has a line that divides them between the villains.
Excellent point, FantazyFangirl 13 . The hero LEARNS from his mistakes; the villain does not, mainly because he doesn't believe the bad things he does ARE bad things. The vast majority of villains think they are doing what is right, and what everybody else is doing is wrong. Nearly every true villain is a hero in his own mind.
@@ellynmacgregor8210 A lot of the villains in Disney are narcissists who believe they're owed the world. Take Jafar, for example. He has several cut songs, only one of which gives is any insight into his backstory and that one implies he just feels entitled to rule. Not because he has any legitimate claim, but simply because his "charisma and mystique" (qualities he only believes he has) have gone unrecognized. Basically he just wants to feed his ego. People love to bring up "Twisted" and ignore the fact that it's fan fiction. Just like they love to mix OUAT backstories into the animated characters backgrounds and ignore that it's a totally separate continuity. I mean, I know the canonicity of cut songs and plotlines are dubious at best, but they're also the only insight we have to the intended characterization of some characters during production of the actual films in question.
Also in Aladdin, you have someone dirt poor, homeless, living on the streets. He’s suddenly thrust into a situation that he couldn’t possibly have the mental, psychological and emotional tools to handle. Alladin’s moral guide was the genie and I don’t know about you but during a learning process you don’t get everything on the first try. Imagine having absolutely nothing in this world and literally in minutes you’re given an opportunity to have every dream you ever had come true. Google lottery winners gone wrong. This in no way makes any of these people bad or villainous. It makes them human and flawed. No one’s moral compass faces north 24/7. The whole point of character development is to show their journey into getting it, learning the lesson, accepting the morals and changing. Aladdin was thrust into a situation he couldn’t possibly understand and he did the best he could do which really wasn’t that bad at all. He was attracted to Jasmine, he never acted lecherous or untoward to her. Also he was willing to eventually tell her the truth if it came down to it and during the movie there were moments when he suffered immense guilt over Jasmine not knowing the entire truth, a truth he was ashamed of even tho he didn’t have to be. He basically lied and told her he was richer than she initially thought he was and what man hasn’t done some fake flossing to impress a woman. Again not villainous.
Late reply I know but yeah Aladdin and Jafar aren’t even remotely comparable. Jafar wanted power so he could rule with an iron fist whereas Aladdin just wanted to impress the girl he likes
The beast was also 11 at the time when the Enchantress cursed him, so... Nice going, lady. You cursed an eleven year old child to become something horrific for doing something every eleven year old child would have done.
If he was home alone, maybe. But the prince had dozens of servants present. He could have easily summoned a page and instructed him to take the old woman to an unused chamber. But then, it would've been a short movie.
Oddish43 did the part where I said he was ELEVEN go right over your head? Servants or not, an eleven year old is not going to let some random, creepy old lady he’s never seen before into his home.
I’m not sure if you know how lions operate but any threat to their territory is either ousted or killed and the fact that he exiled the hyenas and asserted his dominance in his pride doesn’t make a villain just the alpha
@@Pojodadon lions kill both genders when they become the leader of the pride. It's to make the lionesses ready to breed sooner. But this is Disney, we are talking about. They don't do things according to what's true. They improvise in the name of storytelling. After all, if they had Scar kill all the cubs, Simba wouldn't have a love interest, at least not one his age.
Peter Pan is the real villain. Peter actualy kidnaps the boys he says he "saved". Yes life here on earth would be bad but he kidnaps them. And ontop of that the peter has no real reason to attack then pirets. The pirets just want spend the night on the island and continue their trip. Acutaly if you want an even better explanation read Lost Boy by Christina Henry. Lost Boy by Christina Henry. I'll quote the book "I curse you, Jaime. I curse you to live forever on this island, but you'll never grow old and never die either. The island wont let you go, and the island will keep you alive becausse I say so. And so you'll never forget me and my curse, I'll leave my mark on you" Peter the cuts of Jaimes hand wich lead to him needing the hook. and another quote "Peter, who loved me best of everyone except himself. He'll tell the new boys I am a villain, and they call me Captain Hook" -tbh I'd wish I could whipe my memory and read the book again because its just so amazing and enchanting and keeps you absorbed till te very end-
Some_Nerd Person Author made a TH-cam discussion on the book for an interviewer. Just to let you know: she misquotes JM Barrie’s final sentence when it is so popular.
I don't think woody was being selfish by trying to help sporkie be a better toy for bonnie ,he clearly had bonnie's best interest in mind.Also in toy story 3 weren't woody and his friends almost incinerated in the junk yard, maybe he didn't want sporkie to meet the same fate they almost did. I don't care how happy they seem that experience probably haunts them.
In real life the strongest male lion rules. The other male lions have to leave and fend for themselves. Mufasa was being nice to his brother by giving him a place to stay, instead of outcasting him.
I think you miss the point of the protagonist. Not only do we see the story through their eyes but a good protagonist is also flawed and part of their story is learning a lesson. Aladdin did deceive Jasmine, but his challenge was learning that he could not deceive her and have a happy life with her. Woody had to learn to accept that he wasn't always going to be Andy's favorite toy. This is very much like real life. No one is perfect, we all have lessons we need to learn. No one likes Aladdin because they think he's the perfect boyfriend or something. No, they like him because he is written like a real person, with flaws and all.
Absolutely. The makers of this video have apparently never read THE HERO'S JOURNEY. If a hero had no flaws at the beginning of his story, he'd have a mighty dull journey. :-) Great post!
Ceara Ivory yes definitely. This video should have been titled disny protagonist that have flaws. They’re not bad people they’re just people. We all have our flaws.
@@stevenhiggins3055 This is nothing. Some clueless TH-camr made a video about the Neverending Story, suggesting that Falkor was a creeper because he enjoyed having his back scratched (like most dogs do).
The Lion King takes place in the wild and there the physically strongest does get to rule. Lions and hyenas are natural competition so isolating them to keep the best food even makes sense. That and scar had a history of questionable behavior as well.
Mufasa is no bad guy! The hyenas were over hunting throughout the film so what else was he to do to keep things in order? Not to mention, but, most of the characters on this very list here yes weren't perfect but they learned through their flaws too why does that make them the bad guy?
can't really blame the hyenas for binging after years of barely getting by by the way ,the reason pridelands was so devastated was a drought not overhunting.
They actually mention in the movie and the musical that the hyenas overhunted. Nala herself in the Broadway musical tells Scar that they are being forced to overhunt.
Mirco Hesse how did the drought happen? Not to mention but the lionesses mention that they are forced to over hunt meaning that the hyenas already ate most of the animals for there to be less forcing the lionesses to overhunt.
@@andreasmeelie1889 they can mention it all they, it's BS. The herds 'have moved on' per Sarabi. Herds don't move on becaues there are predators or they wouldn't be able to live anywhere. The ones that migrate do so because of water. Last I checked neither the Hyenas nor Scar created a weather machine.
i agree with the Aurora's parents one Mufasa actually didn't hate his brother but their parents always prefered Mufasa over Scar, who became envious and started to behave badly so the two brothers started to live their lives separately
at 6:40, if you pause it at just the right moment, you can see Sonic the Hedgehog. i had no clue that he was in Wreck it Ralph. i never noticed! plus, the look on Sonics face is priceless. it also reminds me of his expressions in Super Smash bros Ultimate
The villain in the sleeping beauty had a reason to threaten the princess. Her wings were stolen because of the king and queen and now she wants revenge
Depends on the version of the book/movie your reading. In one version they didn't invite her because they actually thought she was dead and she was enraged that they only offered her last minute improvised plates instead of the gold ones like the rest of the fairies.
Jordan Boyett Captain Hook chases a boy with the intent to kill him instead of the crocodile and taking this orphaned kid as his own. What is your point?
You forgot that Joy completely ignores Sadness when she knows that Sadness has read all of the mind manuals and knows what she's doing inside Riley's mind
Because she devalues Sadness, which is wrong of her. But Sadness is the one who doesn't even know what her purpose is. If she had explained that her job was to create empathy in others when Riley needed help, Joy would have known when to let her take the console. Like she did with the other three.
@@benmunn7593, how was he supposed to know how Buddy would react? If Buddy had been a good person, he would have learned from his hurt feelings and gone on to make a worthy life for himself. But he WASN'T A GOOD PERSON. Also, if Buddy *hadn't* (over)reacted the way he did, the movie wouldn't have had much of a story, now would it?
With Frozen it's basically, "those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it". They never should've taken away Anna's memories, let her LEARN from her mistakes so she knows Elsa's powers can be very dangerous.
I kind of think the point is to give the characters depth and not have a distinctive line between good and bad but be more similar to real people. Good people do bad things sometimes.
5:55 ...But... That's the whole POINT of teh film! Andwhat amkes it funny! OF COURSE he's not a good role model, thats OBVIOUS! And he's not supposed to be! The whole film is about how he gets better and realizes that others matter as well and he needs to think about himself less, at the end he's a good role-model. Honestly! The film wouldn't have been nearly as funny if he were perfect!
2:47 People really should let Elsa off the hook with that one. It was made perfectly clear that she wasn't aware of what her powers caused to Arendelle. She was afraid and didn't look behind. Elsa was genuinely shocked to the core when she learned the truth.
I dont think the binger knows the difference between character flaws and villains tbh. Or that some of these flaws were literally the point of the character.
On the Beauty and the Beast thing, you're not wrong,and I'm not the one who came up with this theory, but I don't remember who did, but I heard somewhere that they became what they saw each other as, the Prince saw the servants as nothing more than tools, so that is what they became whereas the servants saw the Prince as a beast, so he became that
Btw king triton is Ursula’s big brother and he banished Ursula because she was practicing magic or it was that she was ugly but anyway.......I saw it in a book
What book was it? If it wasn't published by Disney, it doesn't count as canon. If it was the original story by Hans Christian Andersen, then (as you probably know) they changed tons of stuff. Just to sum up the original tale (fishtail? lol), it didn't have a happy ending...which actually wasn't unusual for Andersen. A lot of his stories had sad, or at best, bittersweet endings.
@@ellynmacgregor8210 It was also part of the original draft for the film, and was reinstated in the stage versions. In those versions she was Tritons sister (sometimes older, sometimes close in age) who was banished because she was a tyrant who practiced black magic which had been outlawed by their father. (One version of the also implies she killed her sisters and father because she felt he loved them and not her because of her looks)
In King Triton’s defense humans killed his wife so it kinda makes sense why he wouldn’t want his daughter near the surface Her mom got crushed by a fricken ship! But yes his reaction of destroying her stuff put into the teen rebellion act into play.
Rocket: Oh boohoo, my wife is DEAD! Groot: *Gasps* Rocket: I don't care if it's mean, everybody's got dead people, That's no excuse to be a bad parent and kill dreams
His wife died through her own stupidity as she tried to retrieve the music box instead of just leaving it. I get it was a gift from Triton but for god's sake man it's just a music box.
You can’t complain about king triton he’s just like literally every other parent in the world nobody ever treats their kids any differently than triton did It’s bullshit but it’s true
Well, many of these ”bad” heroes are meant to behave like that because that’s the point of the movie, like Kuzco. They’re not really a new point of view.
In Frozen Elsa's parents died because they wanted to help her. They were trying to find the true 'bout her powers. 😇💙💙 The trolls are only villains. They are bad. She was a little girl and instead of telling her she will handle it, they scared her. ,,Really normal acting." 😈😡
5:53 There’s a difference between villain and a protagonist who was selfish change. And I think that was the whole point of that. Imagine if all the heroes were kind and brave and stereotypically heroic. That’s be pretty boring. I like how they did some of these protagonists. I like the flaws and personal growth through some of them.
you forgot that sleeping beauty's parents forced her curse on their entire kingdom. a curse they were appalled at when their daughter was the victim but didn't bat a eye when forcing it on their subjects and their children.
maxine chan he lets them go if they want to- most do and by the way it is not kidnapping if you want to go somewhere with someone and then you actually notice familiar sites in that place. Children don’t kidnap children
Simona Cannizzo I love how you're siding with Peter here. Are you a fan girl? (no offense) What he did was still wrong but he's a fictional character that doesn't exist so- lol I still love him. I used to have a crush on him when I was about 7 or something? He's really cute tbh
Choco Waffle I’m siding with a fictional character because you guys are not helping with the latter. Yeah yeah yeah say you “love” a fictional character so let’s make fun of him because that makes sense.🤷🏻♀️
StarstormGaming - I’m talking about in the original story. Not the Disney version. Although, one could argue that since his parents are never present, he wasn’t raised with compassion (this was a Disney theory) and that’s why he turns away the Enchantress.
@@DconStarstormGaming in the prologue Adam is given the enchanted rose which is stated it would bloom until his 21st birthday. The rose blooms until the end of the movie, which was 10 years later. More like, the painting of Adam didn't reflect his true age. Also, in the sequel/prequel, you actually see Adam as a kid not a man.
Okay let's just make one thing clear. The enchantress is 100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast when the prince open the door to the old lady that night he was only 11 years old. So of course the one thing parents tell the children not to do is not to open doors to strangers. And this is what he did he didn't know who she was so he simply didn't let her in. Also he was a child so he obviously going to think she is ugly because I mean he doesn't have sense and he probably thinks he can do what he likes. On his 21st birthday he will either turn back into a human or remain a beast forever. So for ten years he suffer alone in misery and all this started when he was just 11 years old he was just a child who didn't know what he was doing.
Apparently you are forgetting what the Narrator said about the Prince *before* the Enchantress showed up: "Although the Prince had everything his heart desired, he was spoiled, selfish, and unkind." Also, the Enchantress could see "There was no love in his heart." His refusal to grant hospitality to the old woman--and remember, she gave him two chances--was only the final straw. He was *not* a nice, innocent little kid. And if the Enchantress was "100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast", then why did she give him the Enchanted Rose and the Magic Mirror? A true villain would not have left him with such aids to his possible redemption. One more thing: if the Enchantress was "100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast", what does that make Gaston? Please don't tell me he was the true hero of the tale...he was just misunderstood! Bleah! Some people have actually said things like that about that mega-jerk, Gaston. (Then again, people like that could easily be trolls. LOL!)
The Enchantress in Beauty & the Beast was not evil. She taught a spoiled brat and those who encouraged his bad behavior a lesson in humility and how to teach the important lessons of life and society.
Mufasa can’t be blamed for ostracizing the hyenas or his brother. 1. The hyenas were banished due to over hunting and past treason. 2. It was their father who made Mufasa king due to his selflessness.
To be fair, Aladdin was originally written as a trickster character, his actions were never to be perceived as totally ethical or totally unethical. In today's viewpoint his actions are horrible, but when the story was originally written, they would still get a pass. We should always keep the time when such stories were written in mind when defining the character flaws and virtues.
Trident is the bad guy, the only reason you don’t know it is because the story does not tell you, he stole the crown from his sister who is URSULA. His parents wished for them to rule side by side but instead banished her and she came back for revenge against his daughter so she could use her to get to him.
The Immortal Super Being That wasn’t a spoiler about toy story 4. That’s literally the basic plot line of the story. You can learn all that by the trailer
None of these characters you Mention act like villians they just have flaws however the enchantress you mention she is straight up a villain what she did is more villainy than good, she is the true villain of that story, she is evil shes no different from maleficent
7:05 I agree the enchantress was the problem. The Prince was only 11, and this sounded like an old woman offering candy. He was offered a rose. But does that change a thing? Nope! She should have been just poor and NOT offering a thing. He would have let her in that way. Being old is just suspicious because he could have been kidnapped. She obviously didn't understand that.
Maybe the live action Peter Pan will be better for you. Your choice of that medical term is interesting - I tend to feel bad for people like that. Peter Pan is really a cool character regardless, you wouldn’t perhaps be mentioning him if you do not like him, after all.😉
Yeah that’s a good point. Triton could have been the villain because of his hatred for humans. Ursula didn’t really do anything terrible other than sabotaging ariel. That would have made an interesting alternative ending
I don't agree with what was said about the enchantress. She didn't cast the curse on the beast because she was evil. She did it because of the poor way he treated her and for judging her on the way she looked rather than her character. She was only teaching him an important lesson. If he learned it ( which he did) the cruse would reverse itself, if not then he would get exactly what he deserved in the first place.
Yeah . And you now what makes every "good character " a villan is that they trapped not just "villans" but also their inasant kids who lived in a place with no opportunity to succeed in life (they almost died for food )
Its all about point of view... If the movie was about the villain... U would understand, feel sorry for them and feel mad at the main characters... When the story is about the main character... U would think the villains are super duper evil and ending up hating them... See... Look both sides... Balance it...
TBH Kuzco is everyone of us, we are all selfish at first but then there will be a part of our life where we will learn to let go of that selfishness and work with one another.
And he DID tell her the truth--even when he knew it might cost him her love. Also, if he had truly been a villain, would he have used his last wish to set the Genie free? (Something the video-makers conveniently "forgot".)
Some people make mistakes, others get themselves into situations they never expected, and they feel that there is no other choice, but they are not bad, to be bad or good is an choice to make. Villains not just want to get what they want, they destroy others too, manipulate their lives, giving them false hope, hurting them in a bad way. There is a difference between a person who still learninh from his mistakes to be better, and another who enjoy hurting whoever he/she wants. People messed up, it happens, and it's a part of life, no one is perfect, but they can learn how to be a better person. While Villains is a very different thing, they choose to be like that, and they really enjoy it.
2:09 I think the chief troll is the villain because if he hadn't tormented Elsa into thinking that her powers could hurt people(which they could) she wouldn't have felt afraid to use her powers. In the beginning of the movie,Elsa could completely control her powers. Her accidentally freezing Anna was because Anna was being reckless. If she hadn't felt trapped she wouldn't feel insecure. And therefore feel the need to run away where she couldn't hurt the people she loved.
I think you are off base on Alladin. How you can tell if a character's actions are villainous is remove them from the story and watch what happens. Remove Alladin from the story. Jafar does not find his diamond in the rough, does not get the lamp and seizes the kingdom by forcing Jasmine to marry him.
Also Prince Adam aka The Beast was eleven years old when he was cursed if you do the math. He was to meet his deadline by 21 and according to Lumierie, it’s been ten years.
Though they may not seem like villains, they might be partially. They are Cinderella’s and Bambi’s Father. While Cinderella’s father is in the movie for a few seconds, we can see he plays favorites, spoiled Cinderella, and neglected his second wife and step daughters. Bambi’s Father was never active in Bambi’s early years and didn’t do anything to protect his mother from being shot.
No she is not imagine having no frends and no one to talk to and even your parents are disappointed in you just becouse you didn't become somthing they wanted you to become
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Peter Pan is a good example. Based on the book at least, Hook just wants to leave Neverland. But Pan keeps him there because he wants someone to torment. And when Hook stands up to him...he cuts his hand off and makes him watch as he feeds it to a crocodile. If that weren't enough, Peter kills his own lost boys for growing up. It's something that they can't help obviously, and those who actually manage to escape are taken under Hook's wing and become his crew aboard the Jolly Roger.
Damn, I need to read the book.
I always had a bad feeling about Peter pan
That is very true about Peter Pan you want true proof on how evil he is watch Peter Pan in Once Upon A Time (ABC show) Season 3 That shows you really truly how cruel he really is.
The book is an adaption (and I think there are several) of a story that’s originally a play. (OoT is also an adaption.)
That said...I still hate Peter, although think the play basically turned Peter into a sociopath as “Why Children Should Grow Up...Eventually” as its main theme
@@anonymousfellow8879 That is very true. It's still pretty scary if you think about it now.
Tbh not everyone who is selfish is an actual villain. They may have their personal reasons or hardships. I'm just being honest.😐
Good point, they can be better people but they're not completely evil.
That's true...
Everyone can better themselves, but that doesn't make them good now.
Hardships are no reason to be a dickweasle.
True, but by that logic a lot of classic villains become misunderstood underdogs too. The video makes this exact point
Wus a di ck w ea sl e
I agree that aurora's parents were the real villains. And total jerks. The descendants films and maleficinent movie certainly reveals this.
I think the queen is innocent, at least that's what the Maleficent film showed. It's more of the king's fault. He's the one who cut off Maleficent's wings
Yes especially, Aurora's father
It's the same in the book they also treated her unfair I never considered her evil just misunderstood.
I really don't take the movie Malificent seriously. What people have forgotten is how vindictive they Fey were in Fairy tales and folklore. The idea of "good" Fey is relatively recent. They Fey originally were divided into evil and non evil. They only difference being the non evil would leave you in peace as long as you didn't offend them and the evil ones would do stuff for the evilz. The evil Fey were well known for disperpotiant retribution, targeting the offspring because of something the parents did and doing stuff just because they felt like it.
Speaking of disperportionate retribution Beauty and the beast. One version I read the prince was cursed by a Fey who had a grudge with the prince's mother
@@alexanderchristopher6237 that isn't what happened. That was Disney rewrite.
Zeus. He shunned his brother making him feel like an outcast which is probably why he targeted Hercules
Ya and if u look back into the history of hades he was given the role of being the god of the underworld and zues didn't even give hades a chance to say how he felt about being the god of the underworld so ya zues was the bad guy the whole time for not giving hades a chance to explain how he felt about guarding the underworld for eternity and for not even allowing hades in Olympus for the celebration of Hercules birth he was not invited only because he was the god of the underworld so you are right that zues is the real bad guy of the movie Hercules for not giving hades a chance to explain how he felt
Wait ..does zeus have a movie in disney channel??
Aljeli me yeah Hercules
@@lyndsey8088 oh I should watch that one.
@@demongodking6681 not been invited to a party makes it ok to murder a newborn
To be fair, with Kuzco he was written that way on purpose . That's was the point. At first he's this selfish spoiled brat who doesn't care about anyone but himself but as the movie went by he realizes the error of his ways and changes
This is exactly how Princess Ariel could've been written!
exactly, like that was what the plot, the message of the story was supposed to be
Taylor Tonkin exactly
Kieran Stark But Ariel did realize the error of her ways at the end. She clearly apologized for her wrongdoings.
And? Still proves the point of the video. lol
Woody in toy story four was trying to do right by Bonnie and wanted her new favorite toy to be cherished.
Yeah only took 4 movies for that to happen though
Taylor Tonkin “character development”
One more thing about The Enchantress, the servants say in the song “Be Our Guest” that it has been 10 years that they have been household appliances. From what I have heard during that time belle came he was 21. Now two things could have happened.
1. The spell also caused him to stay 21 until the spell was broken
Or
2. He was 11 TRYING TO PREVENT AN OLD LADY HE DIDN’T RECOGNIZE INTO THE CASTLE BECAUSE OF STRANGER DANGER.
(Its a big stretch ik)
I seriously hope he was stuck at 21. Goodness
Hmm, in the original tale, I think the beast was waaaayyy older than belle. Like it’s pretty obvious what this fairytale is really about here.....arranged marriages. Like back then women had to get married otherwise they would not have things like food to eat. So sometimes they had to settle for an old ugly guy. But this tale is preaching about what matters on the inside, (for the man, not the girl) and fathers can trade their daughter for whatever the hell they want, like a few roses (look it up) and everyone lives happily ever after. So, anways, the beast was like a middle aged guy by the time belle shows up in the real fairy tale.
@@crystalraf I don't know but if she didn't truly love him she could have kissed him all she wanted and he wouldn't have changed back into a man. Although women don't depend on men anymore nowadays which is obviously better, I think many people have forgotten how to love and are judgmental of the old days when people were still taught that love isn't a feeling (that's infatuation) but a choice to commit and spend a lifetime together. People think they are falling in love nowadays while they only fall in lust. They share the bed and then leave each other. Or share the bed, marry, enjoy doing it until bad times arrive and then divorce. Most of the time children are the biggest victims of divorce. Most of the time this happens because the lack of intimacy at a certain point. And if intimacy was the core of the relationship, it's easy to understand that without it there's nothing left. No time era was perfect. And today certainly is not. I have decided to stay single for the rest of my life because this generation doesn't understand what love is anymore. People are not ready to love. They are ready to lust. And lie. And cheat. Abuse. Use. Etc. But love is something so rare among this generation! It's all just lust now. I would rather marry an old ugly guy that knows the true value of love than a fellow millennial that will leave me when my skin starts sagging and my libido goes down. But much better is not to marry at all. I used to be a romantic and I used to love the story of Beauty and the Beast. But I have learned the hardest way that you can't trust anyone but yourself. And cats.
Why would he be 11?
@@simonacannizzo5141 because those are the only 2 scenarios that make sense with the given information and time line. He either was cursed to not age under the duration of the spell or he was curse as an adolescent and as another person mentioned, ten years passed making the beast (Prince Adam) in his early twenties in the time the movie takes place. As much as the idea isn't pleasant, but the most plausible explanation is the prince was cursed in his preteen or teen years. (What person in that age bracket wasn't a rebellious, mouthy brat during that time frame?) And with that logic, that makes the enchantress childish, hot headed and spiteful.
Wait a minute. Triton isn' t a bad guy . If you try to remember, his wife was killed by a human. That' s why he doesn't his daughter to have contact with humans. He is worried for his precious daughter
He was no saint, though. Look at the rampage he went on in Ariel's cavern. He practically gift wrapped her for Ursula with that little temper tantrum.
Oddish43 his reactions are understandable. She continues to disobey them, and do things that could get her killed. If I was Triton, I would have done the same thing.
8:18 - I could be jumping to conclusions, but I had the impression that Mufasa treated Scar the way he did because Scar had a long history of behaving badly and Mufasa was very nearly done with him.
Alice Willoughby did you know that scars name well his real name....it means poop
@@Kai-bz9ym Actually his real name is Taka - which means "trash"
Scar tried to kill Mufasa before though, and that's how he got his scar and his second name. Yes his parents set him up for this by naming him Taka but idk. It just explains Mufasas actions
Well thanks to Disney junior we know scars most of scars backstory and mufasa said is that a challenge in the new movie (I saw it) scar(taka)Said I wouldn't dare challenge you again but I don't remember if that's when he said big brother?
Foghornchimes I heard it could also mean, “want” or “desire.”
I still believe Aladdin was not evil. And ariel, she was foolish. Woody was a jerk, but later he matured and grew up.
That's the recipe of Disney movies: redemption arcs.
Aladdin, in my opinion, is no different from Jafar. Jafar wanted power. By marrying Jasmine, Aladdin is poised to be one of the most powerful individuals in the kingdom. And that's not even counting his friendship with the Genie, the most powerful being in the movie. Let me ask you, which has more ambition: the vizier wanting to be king or the street urchin wanting to be the king's son in law?
Ariel is foolish and curious, yes. But curiosity does kill the cat. And given what happened in the film, it was rightly so.
Woody is kind of a jerk in not accepting Buzz into his toy family. He's selfish and always wanted to be Andy's no. 1 toy. Dude nearly don't want to go back home in Toy Story 2 and he was so adamant about going with Andy to college in Toy Story 3 that he's willing to leave his friends to the tyranny of Lazlo the toy bear. And I haven't seen Toy Story 4 yet.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 Lotso*
And Elsa and Anna's parents
I still wish Ariel died like she did in Shrek 2
Aladdin is a thief
Being the only person in the whole kingdom to not be invited to a big event....OUCH!
Why would any good human want evil at your celebration.
Ok, fine, but there's such a thing as a proportional response here. Maybe give the king and queen a plague of warts or something. You know, something unpleasant and lingering, nothing worse.
Yeah, if they wanted to stay as neutral as they should have stayed neutral. They did not have to slight her like that in front of everyone. Her response was uncalled for but still what they did was wrong.
Rachel it was still insulting to not invite her. They should have just not invited any of the fairies if they did not want her at the party.
They invite who they want wtf and this is a cartoon what are u saying u 2
This is why using the terms "villians" and "heros" are problematic. It's a little better to consider them antagonists and protagonists. These terms have a bit more leeway for the gray areas.
I COMPLETELY agree with Aurora's parents especially after what happened in D3. In fact, I bet of the 2 HAD invited Maleficent, she would've gifted her with common sense between right/wrong and wisdom.
@Jeremiah Elijah I'm just thinking as a what if situation. If you look at the other animation version of Sleepy Beauty it's the same situation but in those ones, the last fairy is pissed because all her friends have golden plates while she got the broken one. I'm just thinking as a whole.
@Jeremiah Elijah Thanks for the input though. ^__^
I dont know why people dont understand how capricious, petty and vindictive they Fey were in the old stories
@@tessb.lichtman4547 I'm thinking of this as a whole. I know it's not canon but at the same time it's not a AU for it's still under the Disney Princess universe.
they thought she was dead and the if I remember that version correctly, the king had to improvise at the last moment on what plates to use for her too.
In my writing I’m obsessed with giving bad guys a past to explain why they are the way they are
And I’m also obsessed with making the good guys evil and the bad guys good
It’s just how I write
You seem like a great author!
I wanna read these so much. Are you writing in a site or something?
Ok tbh you sound great
Amazing! I love to do that too, but I usually just imagine things, not write them down.
I think the thing that makes some of the characters "good" is that they learn compared to the villain. The villain doesnt see their wrong. Some of these characters learn from it which I guess makes them more human and has a line that divides them between the villains.
Excellent point, FantazyFangirl 13
. The hero LEARNS from his mistakes; the villain does not, mainly because he doesn't believe the bad things he does ARE bad things. The vast majority of villains think they are doing what is right, and what everybody else is doing is wrong. Nearly every true villain is a hero in his own mind.
@@ellynmacgregor8210 A lot of the villains in Disney are narcissists who believe they're owed the world. Take Jafar, for example. He has several cut songs, only one of which gives is any insight into his backstory and that one implies he just feels entitled to rule. Not because he has any legitimate claim, but simply because his "charisma and mystique" (qualities he only believes he has) have gone unrecognized. Basically he just wants to feed his ego.
People love to bring up "Twisted" and ignore the fact that it's fan fiction. Just like they love to mix OUAT backstories into the animated characters backgrounds and ignore that it's a totally separate continuity. I mean, I know the canonicity of cut songs and plotlines are dubious at best, but they're also the only insight we have to the intended characterization of some characters during production of the actual films in question.
You missed with Anna’s and Elsa’s parents that they made a dungeon especially for her.
They did? When was it stated?
@@savagexbabe4378 it's in frozen 2
Yeah that’s messed up
Uuuum, u need to read the story of scar, I wouldn't blame mufasa for their separation, but their parents for enforcing it
Correction:its the father
Where do you read their story?
@@vkofyuuki i actually dont know
That’s the full info I found online x
Don't you mean Disney characters who act like villains but do you know who acts like a villain Peter pan.
I like the older version of that story
After seeing OUAT Pan will never be the same to me😅.
Now you are just being a homophobe.
@@arminiusofgermania how?
Cassidy Starke whats ouat
Also in Aladdin, you have someone dirt poor, homeless, living on the streets. He’s suddenly thrust into a situation that he couldn’t possibly have the mental, psychological and emotional tools to handle. Alladin’s moral guide was the genie and I don’t know about you but during a learning process you don’t get everything on the first try. Imagine having absolutely nothing in this world and literally in minutes you’re given an opportunity to have every dream you ever had come true. Google lottery winners gone wrong. This in no way makes any of these people bad or villainous. It makes them human and flawed. No one’s moral compass faces north 24/7. The whole point of character development is to show their journey into getting it, learning the lesson, accepting the morals and changing. Aladdin was thrust into a situation he couldn’t possibly understand and he did the best he could do which really wasn’t that bad at all. He was attracted to Jasmine, he never acted lecherous or untoward to her. Also he was willing to eventually tell her the truth if it came down to it and during the movie there were moments when he suffered immense guilt over Jasmine not knowing the entire truth, a truth he was ashamed of even tho he didn’t have to be. He basically lied and told her he was richer than she initially thought he was and what man hasn’t done some fake flossing to impress a woman. Again not villainous.
Late reply I know but yeah Aladdin and Jafar aren’t even remotely comparable. Jafar wanted power so he could rule with an iron fist whereas Aladdin just wanted to impress the girl he likes
The beast was also 11 at the time when the Enchantress cursed him, so...
Nice going, lady. You cursed an eleven year old child to become something horrific for doing something every eleven year old child would have done.
he may have been rude, but you really cant blame the kid for Stranger danger. And where did his parents go?
@@MrSasunaru101, if the prince was the one who answered the door, his parents were likely already dead--after having spoiled him rotten.
@@MrSasunaru101 his parents were never shown in the sequel/prequel either, so they must've died when Adam was very young.
If he was home alone, maybe. But the prince had dozens of servants present. He could have easily summoned a page and instructed him to take the old woman to an unused chamber. But then, it would've been a short movie.
Oddish43 did the part where I said he was ELEVEN go right over your head? Servants or not, an eleven year old is not going to let some random, creepy old lady he’s never seen before into his home.
I’m not sure if you know how lions operate but any threat to their territory is either ousted or killed and the fact that he exiled the hyenas and asserted his dominance in his pride doesn’t make a villain just the alpha
Exactly
Disney didn't show scar killing the kits either....the new alpha would have killed the kits of the old alpha.
MrSasunaru101 well he attempted to have simba killed and then nala was a female so that may have been why
@@Pojodadon lions kill both genders when they become the leader of the pride. It's to make the lionesses ready to breed sooner. But this is Disney, we are talking about. They don't do things according to what's true. They improvise in the name of storytelling. After all, if they had Scar kill all the cubs, Simba wouldn't have a love interest, at least not one his age.
This entire video is based around the beginning of character arcs. The characters don't grow if they're free of sin in the beginning of the story.
So you're saying the ends justify the means?
Aladdin had a character Arc. The rest were supporting players
Peter Pan is the real villain. Peter actualy kidnaps the boys he says he "saved". Yes life here on earth would be bad but he kidnaps them. And ontop of that the peter has no real reason to attack then pirets. The pirets just want spend the night on the island and continue their trip. Acutaly if you want an even better explanation read Lost Boy by Christina Henry. Lost Boy by Christina Henry. I'll quote the book "I curse you, Jaime. I curse you to live forever on this island, but you'll never grow old and never die either. The island wont let you go, and the island will keep you alive becausse I say so. And so you'll never forget me and my curse, I'll leave my mark on you" Peter the cuts of Jaimes hand wich lead to him needing the hook. and another quote "Peter, who loved me best of everyone except himself. He'll tell the new boys I am a villain, and they call me Captain Hook"
-tbh I'd wish I could whipe my memory and
read the book again because its just so amazing and
enchanting and keeps you absorbed till te very end-
Some_Nerd Person Author made a TH-cam discussion on the book for an interviewer. Just to let you know: she misquotes JM Barrie’s final sentence when it is so popular.
I will be boycotting that book soon - don’t worry about it😉
They're talking about Disney movies, you can't brings others books and movies into because everyone has different versions.
I don't think woody was being selfish by trying to help sporkie be a better toy for bonnie ,he clearly had bonnie's best interest in mind.Also in toy story 3 weren't woody and his friends almost incinerated in the junk yard, maybe he didn't want sporkie to meet the same fate they almost did. I don't care how happy they seem that experience probably haunts them.
I never thought of the lasting influence of the incident in the junkyard--you make an excellent point!
In real life the strongest male lion rules. The other male lions have to leave and fend for themselves. Mufasa was being nice to his brother by giving him a place to stay, instead of outcasting him.
I think you miss the point of the protagonist. Not only do we see the story through their eyes but a good protagonist is also flawed and part of their story is learning a lesson. Aladdin did deceive Jasmine, but his challenge was learning that he could not deceive her and have a happy life with her. Woody had to learn to accept that he wasn't always going to be Andy's favorite toy. This is very much like real life. No one is perfect, we all have lessons we need to learn. No one likes Aladdin because they think he's the perfect boyfriend or something. No, they like him because he is written like a real person, with flaws and all.
Absolutely. The makers of this video have apparently never read THE HERO'S JOURNEY. If a hero had no flaws at the beginning of his story, he'd have a mighty dull journey. :-) Great post!
Indeed. If Joy had understood Sadness's purpose at the start (the way she did the other three), there would have been no conflict, and no story.
Ceara Ivory yes definitely. This video should have been titled disny protagonist that have flaws. They’re not bad people they’re just people. We all have our flaws.
People like the ones who made this video are the reason we have bland, boring, "perfect" protagonists like Rey
@@stevenhiggins3055 This is nothing. Some clueless TH-camr made a video about the Neverending Story, suggesting that Falkor was a creeper because he enjoyed having his back scratched (like most dogs do).
His hatred kind of made sense, his wife died because of pirates
Then just dislike pirates, all humans are not pirates and he is aware of this but choices to ignore it.
@@sweetc832002 Did he know that the humans were pirates? No! Of course his reaction would be understandable.
The Lion King takes place in the wild and there the physically strongest does get to rule. Lions and hyenas are natural competition so isolating them to keep the best food even makes sense.
That and scar had a history of questionable behavior as well.
really if scar got a little more food he would of pasted Mufasa by a long shot because of his black mane
@@maddiemae6518 True, but he doesn't get it, I wonder why.
In the new movie scar looks malnourished
Mufasa is no bad guy! The hyenas were over hunting throughout the film so what else was he to do to keep things in order? Not to mention, but, most of the characters on this very list here yes weren't perfect but they learned through their flaws too why does that make them the bad guy?
can't really blame the hyenas for binging after years of barely getting by
by the way ,the reason pridelands was so devastated was a drought not overhunting.
They actually mention in the movie and the musical that the hyenas overhunted. Nala herself in the Broadway musical tells Scar that they are being forced to overhunt.
Mirco Hesse how did the drought happen? Not to mention but the lionesses mention that they are forced to over hunt meaning that the hyenas already ate most of the animals for there to be less forcing the lionesses to overhunt.
@@andreasmeelie1889 they can mention it all they, it's BS. The herds 'have moved on' per Sarabi. Herds don't move on becaues there are predators or they wouldn't be able to live anywhere. The ones that migrate do so because of water. Last I checked neither the Hyenas nor Scar created a weather machine.
Sari Beep o.O we all have our own opinions with The Lion King is all I can say.
i agree with the Aurora's parents one
Mufasa actually didn't hate his brother but their parents always prefered Mufasa over Scar, who became envious and started to behave badly so the two brothers started to live their lives separately
Its the father who likes mufasa better
at 6:40, if you pause it at just the right moment, you can see Sonic the Hedgehog. i had no clue that he was in Wreck it Ralph. i never noticed! plus, the look on Sonics face is priceless. it also reminds me of his expressions in Super Smash bros Ultimate
WolfiePlusGaming 7
We got a scene with sonic talking
You really didn’t notice that? The camera focused on him for 10 seconds
nice catch
The villain in the sleeping beauty had a reason to threaten the princess. Her wings were stolen because of the king and queen and now she wants revenge
Depends on the version of the book/movie your reading. In one version they didn't invite her because they actually thought she was dead and she was enraged that they only offered her last minute improvised plates instead of the gold ones like the rest of the fairies.
Literally only in the live action Maleficent. In the animated film she was already known to be a wicked fairy
If anyone watched the movie maleficent, it was the kings fault for burning off her wings and lying to maleficent too.
@Jeremiah Elijah, thank you for this post...and for correctly spelling CANON. ;-)
Separate continuity.
Peter Pan cut off a guy’s hand, fed it to a crocodile, and mocks him for all eternity for no other reason than to “have fun”.
Jordan Boyett Captain Hook chases a boy with the intent to kill him instead of the crocodile and taking this orphaned kid as his own. What is your point?
They are not villains, they are just not perfect, which makes them so amazing and make the stories so magical and relatable at the same time
You forgot that Joy completely ignores Sadness when she knows that Sadness has read all of the mind manuals and knows what she's doing inside Riley's mind
Because she devalues Sadness, which is wrong of her. But Sadness is the one who doesn't even know what her purpose is. If she had explained that her job was to create empathy in others when Riley needed help, Joy would have known when to let her take the console. Like she did with the other three.
Mr. Incredible from The Incredibles. Just rewatch the opening to know what I'm talking about
Ben Munn He gets better later in the movie.
True but if he hadn't treated Buddy then Mr. Incredible wouldn't have created a supervillain, @@knightwolf9863
@@benmunn7593 then again, Buddy seems to always mess things up being a hero.
@@benmunn7593, how was he supposed to know how Buddy would react? If Buddy had been a good person, he would have learned from his hurt feelings and gone on to make a worthy life for himself. But he WASN'T A GOOD PERSON. Also, if Buddy *hadn't* (over)reacted the way he did, the movie wouldn't have had much of a story, now would it?
And Mrs. Incredible too, for not turning the plane around when she saw her kids had slipped aboard. What kind of mother puts her kids at risk?
Mufasa is no villain
With Frozen it's basically, "those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it".
They never should've taken away Anna's memories, let her LEARN from her mistakes so she knows Elsa's powers can be very dangerous.
I kind of think the point is to give the characters depth and not have a distinctive line between good and bad but be more similar to real people. Good people do bad things sometimes.
And Triton sounds like a typical parent in my opinion
5:55 ...But... That's the whole POINT of teh film! Andwhat amkes it funny! OF COURSE he's not a good role model, thats OBVIOUS! And he's not supposed to be! The whole film is about how he gets better and realizes that others matter as well and he needs to think about himself less, at the end he's a good role-model. Honestly! The film wouldn't have been nearly as funny if he were perfect!
2:47 People really should let Elsa off the hook with that one. It was made perfectly clear that she wasn't aware of what her powers caused to Arendelle. She was afraid and didn't look behind.
Elsa was genuinely shocked to the core when she learned the truth.
Everyone has a good and bad side to them. It’s no different with 📺 and 🎥 characters.
I dont think the binger knows the difference between character flaws and villains tbh. Or that some of these flaws were literally the point of the character.
Yep. If the hero started off without flaws, then how interesting would his story (movie) be? Can we say Mega-Snorefest?
The Beast was a child who did not want to let in a stranger is afraid because the last time he was cursed
I think that was just sloppy writing. In "Enchanted Christmas", we see that he was late teens/young adult when the enchantress unloaded on him.
On the Beauty and the Beast thing, you're not wrong,and I'm not the one who came up with this theory, but I don't remember who did, but I heard somewhere that they became what they saw each other as, the Prince saw the servants as nothing more than tools, so that is what they became whereas the servants saw the Prince as a beast, so he became that
I never heard that theory before, but it makes a lot of sense. Thank you for calling our attention to it!
Btw king triton is Ursula’s big brother and he banished Ursula because she was practicing magic or it was that she was ugly but anyway.......I saw it in a book
What book was it? If it wasn't published by Disney, it doesn't count as canon. If it was the original story by Hans Christian Andersen, then (as you probably know) they changed tons of stuff. Just to sum up the original tale (fishtail? lol), it didn't have a happy ending...which actually wasn't unusual for Andersen. A lot of his stories had sad, or at best, bittersweet endings.
Its because she was supposed to be the queen but because of you use and abuse of power thats why she got banished
If i remeber correctly
Ellyn MacGregor little matchgirl 😭😭 I had to play her at school broke my heart xxx
@@ellynmacgregor8210 It was also part of the original draft for the film, and was reinstated in the stage versions. In those versions she was Tritons sister (sometimes older, sometimes close in age) who was banished because she was a tyrant who practiced black magic which had been outlawed by their father. (One version of the also implies she killed her sisters and father because she felt he loved them and not her because of her looks)
Mufasa is keeping down the number of predators in the valey. That's what male lions do in real life.
In King Triton’s defense humans killed his wife so it kinda makes sense why he wouldn’t want his daughter near the surface Her mom got crushed by a fricken ship! But yes his reaction of destroying her stuff put into the teen rebellion act into play.
Rocket: Oh boohoo, my wife is DEAD!
Groot: *Gasps*
Rocket: I don't care if it's mean, everybody's got dead people, That's no excuse to be a bad parent and kill dreams
His wife died through her own stupidity as she tried to retrieve the music box instead of just leaving it. I get it was a gift from Triton but for god's sake man it's just a music box.
liv and maddie ftw roblox noobs ftl 1 I hope you never become a parent. Triton did what any parent would do. It’s Ariel that’s the problem.
robonaught when you get something valuable, from someone you love, you tend to protect it with your life. Ariel’s mother acted no different
They are not perfect, but I wouldn't call them a villains.
This is BS. The difference is that the good characters show growth/change.
Exactly. The only growth/change the villains exhibit is to *grow* even worse. ;-)
You can’t complain about king triton he’s just like literally every other parent in the world nobody ever treats their kids any differently than triton did
It’s bullshit but it’s true
Well, many of these ”bad” heroes are meant to behave like that because that’s the point of the movie, like Kuzco. They’re not really a new point of view.
Are u crazy?! Maleficent would’ve cursed Aurora even if she did get invited!
Mal, Evie, Carlos and Jay are confusing. They are villains, but seem to want to be heroes??
Joshua Lowe yes ? Audrey is the real villain
Wait I thought ariels father hated humans because they were the reason ariels mom died
In Frozen Elsa's parents died because they wanted to help her. They were trying to find the true 'bout her powers. 😇💙💙
The trolls are only villains. They are bad. She was a little girl and instead of telling her she will handle it, they scared her. ,,Really normal acting." 😈😡
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There’s a difference between villain and a protagonist who was selfish change. And I think that was the whole point of that.
Imagine if all the heroes were kind and brave and stereotypically heroic. That’s be pretty boring.
I like how they did some of these protagonists. I like the flaws and personal growth through some of them.
you forgot that sleeping beauty's parents forced her curse on their entire kingdom. a curse they were appalled at when their daughter was the victim but didn't bat a eye when forcing it on their subjects and their children.
No they didn't. That's was all the fairies idea.
Peter pan is the true villian he ruind hook life and even cuts his hand off
Awwww good for you that you are sensitive to this🥰
He kidnaps kids
maxine chan he lets them go if they want to- most do and by the way it is not kidnapping if you want to go somewhere with someone and then you actually notice familiar sites in that place. Children don’t kidnap children
Simona Cannizzo
I love how you're siding with Peter here. Are you a fan girl? (no offense) What he did was still wrong but he's a fictional character that doesn't exist so- lol
I still love him. I used to have a crush on him when I was about 7 or something? He's really cute tbh
Choco Waffle I’m siding with a fictional character because you guys are not helping with the latter. Yeah yeah yeah say you “love” a fictional character so let’s make fun of him because that makes sense.🤷🏻♀️
Wasn’t the Beast 11 when he was first cursed too? Stranger danger!
No he was a young man
He wasn't 11, no 11 year old looks the way the piece of art depicts him. lol
StarstormGaming - I’m talking about in the original story. Not the Disney version. Although, one could argue that since his parents are never present, he wasn’t raised with compassion (this was a Disney theory) and that’s why he turns away the Enchantress.
@@DconStarstormGaming in the prologue Adam is given the enchanted rose which is stated it would bloom until his 21st birthday.
The rose blooms until the end of the movie, which was 10 years later.
More like, the painting of Adam didn't reflect his true age.
Also, in the sequel/prequel, you actually see Adam as a kid not a man.
PA0PU no he was a grown man
Okay let's just make one thing clear. The enchantress is 100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast when the prince open the door to the old lady that night he was only 11 years old. So of course the one thing parents tell the children not to do is not to open doors to strangers. And this is what he did he didn't know who she was so he simply didn't let her in. Also he was a child so he obviously going to think she is ugly because I mean he doesn't have sense and he probably thinks he can do what he likes. On his 21st birthday he will either turn back into a human or remain a beast forever. So for ten years he suffer alone in misery and all this started when he was just 11 years old he was just a child who didn't know what he was doing.
Apparently you are forgetting what the Narrator said about the Prince *before* the Enchantress showed up: "Although the Prince had everything his heart desired, he was spoiled, selfish, and unkind." Also, the Enchantress could see "There was no love in his heart." His refusal to grant hospitality to the old woman--and remember, she gave him two chances--was only the final straw. He was *not* a nice, innocent little kid. And if the Enchantress was "100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast", then why did she give him the Enchanted Rose and the Magic Mirror? A true villain would not have left him with such aids to his possible redemption.
One more thing: if the Enchantress was "100% of the villain in Beauty and the Beast", what does that make Gaston? Please don't tell me he was the true hero of the tale...he was just misunderstood! Bleah! Some people have actually said things like that about that mega-jerk, Gaston. (Then again, people like that could easily be trolls. LOL!)
The Enchantress in Beauty & the Beast was not evil. She taught a spoiled brat and those who encouraged his bad behavior a lesson in humility and how to teach the important lessons of life and society.
Mufasa can’t be blamed for ostracizing the hyenas or his brother.
1. The hyenas were banished due to over hunting and past treason.
2. It was their father who made Mufasa king due to his selflessness.
Ummm.... you pronounced Anna and Yzma wrong.
Anna : Ah-nuh
Yzma: Eee-z-muh
Anna could also be an-uh. That's just how I pronounce it with my accent. Yzma is still eee-z-muh though.
He also mispronounced Pacha's name. It's pronounced "Paw-cha".
Lucile Cook it could be pronounced that way, but in frozen her name is pronounced ah-nuh
It was killing me when he kept saying it wrong. I know this can be said differently but they should be said as they do in the movies.
Haha, I was just thinking this
To be fair, Aladdin was originally written as a trickster character, his actions were never to be perceived as totally ethical or totally unethical. In today's viewpoint his actions are horrible, but when the story was originally written, they would still get a pass. We should always keep the time when such stories were written in mind when defining the character flaws and virtues.
Trident is the bad guy, the only reason you don’t know it is because the story does not tell you, he stole the crown from his sister who is URSULA. His parents wished for them to rule side by side but instead banished her and she came back for revenge against his daughter so she could use her to get to him.
Grace Gilbert SV fan!👍
But are they really the real villains or are they just misunderstood?
That’s it mufasa is 100% not evil I am so mad
The beast was 10 years old when the enchantress did that to him, like wtf
Dude if you have spoilers TELL PEOPLE.
The Immortal Super Being true
Wait, you haven't seen ANY of these movies?
@@troyannis1420 Toy Story 4 no.
@@theimmortalsuperbeing549 makes two of us
I didn't see that one yet either
The Immortal Super Being That wasn’t a spoiler about toy story 4. That’s literally the basic plot line of the story. You can learn all that by the trailer
None of these characters you Mention act like villians they just have flaws however the enchantress you mention she is straight up a villain what she did is more villainy than good, she is the true villain of that story, she is evil shes no different from maleficent
Matt King no, because of her, Adam learned love and compassion.
A few of these were written that way to show there growth by the end of the film.
King Triton. Not only is he overbearing and has a terrible temper, but he shows favouritism toward Ariel. Nothing is more toxic than overt favouritism
7:05 I agree the enchantress was the problem. The Prince was only 11, and this sounded like an old woman offering candy. He was offered a rose. But does that change a thing? Nope! She should have been just poor and NOT offering a thing. He would have let her in that way. Being old is just suspicious because he could have been kidnapped. She obviously didn't understand that.
Renée 3286 he was not 11, he’s a young adult. The enchantress taught him how to love
Honestly I think Peter Pan is a psychopath and basically Tinkerbell is his jealous Harley Quinn
Also Aladdin in the cartoon is evil. Mena Mausoud was good guy version
Stephen Taylor they probably are and probably not but research and remember to have fun with the stories 🙂 you obviously like them like I do.
Maybe the live action Peter Pan will be better for you. Your choice of that medical term is interesting - I tend to feel bad for people like that. Peter Pan is really a cool character regardless, you wouldn’t perhaps be mentioning him if you do not like him, after all.😉
Simona Cannizzo well Captain Hook has always been one of my favorite villains along with Jafar and Scar
Stephen Taylor I love them too! Lion King, Peter Pan Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast are my top 4 favorite fantasies😊
You know, I was with you until you said "Mufasa".
Yeah that’s a good point. Triton could have been the villain because of his hatred for humans. Ursula didn’t really do anything terrible other than sabotaging ariel. That would have made an interesting alternative ending
Nobody saw Cuzco as a hero 😂 that's the entire plot, his redemption.
And, boy, he sure took long enough to redeem himself...but I still love that movie. It's probably the funniest Disney ever made. XD
@@ellynmacgregor8210 Will always be my favourite, even for a mature audience.
I don't agree with what was said about the enchantress. She didn't cast the curse on the beast because she was evil. She did it because of the poor way he treated her and for judging her on the way she looked rather than her character. She was only teaching him an important lesson. If he learned it ( which he did) the cruse would reverse itself, if not then he would get exactly what he deserved in the first place.
Disney: let's make the princess an orphan or her parents a fools. Except Rupunzel. Cuz she doesn't get to live with them anyway.
Yeah . And you now what makes every "good character " a villan is that they trapped not just "villans" but also their inasant kids who lived in a place with no opportunity to succeed in life (they almost died for food )
Its all about point of view... If the movie was about the villain... U would understand, feel sorry for them and feel mad at the main characters... When the story is about the main character... U would think the villains are super duper evil and ending up hating them... See... Look both sides... Balance it...
Woody was originally going to be Villan then was changed by Pixar, you learn this on blue ray added features for toy story 3
TBH Kuzco is everyone of us, we are all selfish at first but then there will be a part of our life where we will learn to let go of that selfishness and work with one another.
Still Jafar because what he did was way worse and Aladdin being honest and a good person and really loves Jasmine he
would tell her the truth
And he DID tell her the truth--even when he knew it might cost him her love. Also, if he had truly been a villain, would he have used his last wish to set the Genie free? (Something the video-makers conveniently "forgot".)
Some people make mistakes, others get themselves into situations they never expected, and they feel that there is no other choice, but they are not bad, to be bad or good is an choice to make. Villains not just want to get what they want, they destroy others too, manipulate their lives, giving them false hope, hurting them in a bad way. There is a difference between a person who still learninh from his mistakes to be better, and another who enjoy hurting whoever he/she wants.
People messed up, it happens, and it's a part of life, no one is perfect, but they can learn how to be a better person. While Villains is a very different thing, they choose to be like that, and they really enjoy it.
Sid didn’t only hurt toys, he also tormented his sister and wreaked havoc at the Pizza Planet. He’s clearly a violent and disturbed kid.
Also The beast was still a child when he was cursed
2:09 I think the chief troll is the villain because if he hadn't tormented Elsa into thinking that her powers could hurt people(which they could) she wouldn't have felt afraid to use her powers. In the beginning of the movie,Elsa could completely control her powers. Her accidentally freezing Anna was because Anna was being reckless. If she hadn't felt trapped she wouldn't feel insecure. And therefore feel the need to run away where she couldn't hurt the people she loved.
I think you are off base on Alladin. How you can tell if a character's actions are villainous is remove them from the story and watch what happens. Remove Alladin from the story. Jafar does not find his diamond in the rough, does not get the lamp and seizes the kingdom by forcing Jasmine to marry him.
Very good idea!
Also Prince Adam aka The Beast was eleven years old when he was cursed if you do the math. He was to meet his deadline by 21 and according to Lumierie, it’s been ten years.
Emily Chertos no he was 20 years old. The movie doesn’t follow the book
Being selfish doesn’t make you a villain. It makes you human. They never hurt anyone, especially not purposefully.
king triton doesent like humans because they killed his wife aka: ariels mom aka: the queen of atlantica
Though they may not seem like villains, they might be partially. They are Cinderella’s and Bambi’s Father. While Cinderella’s father is in the movie for a few seconds, we can see he plays favorites, spoiled Cinderella, and neglected his second wife and step daughters. Bambi’s Father was never active in Bambi’s early years and didn’t do anything to protect his mother from being shot.
Finally, someone has said it!
Said what?
Audrey sleeping beauty's daughter is spoiled
No she is not imagine having no frends and no one to talk to and even your parents are disappointed in you just becouse you didn't become somthing they wanted you to become
Yea that is true
For Aladdin, it wasn't false pretense because he wish to be a prince and that's what it was.