I bought a used S5 as a bridge bike while i waited for a 2023 madone to arrive. Before the arrival i loved the S5 so much that i was torn when the madone came closer to arriving. Ultimately i kept the S5 due to my new madone was too small even though all sales people said a 54 was the right size, the seat mast was jist too small. Im a winner either way cause the S5 is amazing
I purchased the new Trek Madone in the SLR7 variant, but upgraded to Shimano Dura-Ace di2. Shod the bike with 30mm tires. The tire change makes the ride quality comfy (for a race bike). I turn 55 this year and can easily be on the bike for 4-5 hours. Sure, for a non-pro cyclist, the bike is pure overkill. BUT, it is noticeably faster than the bike it replaced (Time Skylon) and I have the data that shows this.
I have a Supersix EVO but running those Reserve 52/63 wheels after switching from the KNOT wheelset…..it was an amazing difference in lateral stiffness, lifetime replacement warranty…amazing wheels. Together the bike and wheels are epic.
The normalisation of £multi-thousand bikes is a bit daft IMHO. Even the 'best value' one here. Look at Ribble or Boardman for example - £1k-£2k will get all the bike most people would ever need.
Super interesting analysis Sam. Thanks. Would be great to also see your awards for Endurance bikes. And then …. To help us real world riders, a comparison across the race vs endurance winners. Because ultimately that is what most people will be weighing up when they buy their next bike. Cheers
Guys most of the “handling” and “feeling” of the bike attributes are heavily effected by the tyre. You compare the S5 on and effective 30mm tyre v the Trek on a narrow tyre and say it is more comfortable- this is the tyre! Why don’t you eliminate this by having a control tyre so this eliminates a variance that can be cheaply (and often is) swapped out as soon as you get the bike home. Also which other bikes are you comparing these against? Seems a small pool on the surface…
I’m getting on Marketplace and finding a 7-8 year old top spec bike and fixing it up and coming in at 10% the cost for a lighter bike. As long as I can do that you will never get that kind of money out of me for a gravel bike essentially
I was looking at getting the supersix evo , not the high mod . But I wasn't quick enough. They sell so fast . I'll keep My eye on the high mod and maybe splash the cash in the future
@Wieler toerist I know on the older versions people solved that problem by changing the seat post with a carbon one. I believe the hi mod and the evo 1 already has a carbon seat post
Don’t like the look of any of these. If I had to choose one it would be the Propel but even Giant’s prices have gone up and need to come down to a realistic price!
@@michaelsteven1090 TH-cam is full of obnoxious, argument seeking people like yourself! Why don’t you give it a rest and accept that people have differing opinions to your own!
Ah Cervèlo and its ultimate ownership experience that starts with squeaky for and goes all the way to BB that just fell apart. The number of QC issues makes it look like it was assembled in a sweatshop. The brand refuses direct contact with the customer and tells the dealer to just take the broken BB out and put it back in. If the issue will repeat within a year (which is likely) then I’ll need to fix it outside the warranty. Keep in mind that we are talking about BB aka last thing on a road bike that can/should fail…
Frustrating to see that you guys get an Cervelo S5 for testing while mine is ordered since september 2022 and still haven't received it. Oh and dont tell me they have shortage on components.... you litteraly can get almost every groupset on stock now.
@@anders6383 Europe - Belgium. Most of the webshops over here just remove them from their site as they just are giving up because of these ridiculous lead times.
Lol. When it comes to Cornering speed , I’m more confident on a wider & rounder tires than narrower tires. Never thought about any bike classification until now 😅😅😅
My order is already placed but would be great to see how the SL8 compares to the S5, Madone and Evo. I wonder how the SL7 would have ranked, as it didn't appear to have been included.
I have an eye on the Propel. Of all these models, it seems to be the only one where you can buy the frame by itself and build it up however you want. Just not many choices when it comes to paint.
Winner is 8.2kg!?!?! I imagine you then have to add pedals, bottle cages and computer mount. I expect if I striped my current bike of pedals and the rest, it would be a full 2kg lighter. Progress???
As the industry goes north pricewise, you seam to cheer it up. This bicycles are very good but the price per perfomance is out. Of course people in England are most probably the richiest in the larger Europe, but still don't you think you should promote bikes from 3-4K range rather than this set 5K+? Obviously I recognize your tilt towards the richier poplultation and watch it as a car show, but still would be great if you did go through Canyon, Rose, Giant and even Trek mid range and get us the recomendation as you are very skilled and that I appreciate.
guys 10.000 pound is not bike money. If you need a bike that expensive join a pro team or be a pro. But don't hand them the cash for something that lasts a few short years.
I say buy whatever bike inspires you to ride. Something that makes you addicted to sitting on the saddle and pushing yourself to ride for longer and farther. If that's a £10,000 bike, fine. People spend their money on dumber shit, at least this can keep you fit.
All new tech gets scrutinized until its normal, all carbon bikes are going to explode, disc brakes are going to cause way to many accidents on road bikes, carbon wheels will crumble beneath you all the way back to no one will ever want more than five speed. All bikes break, there are pictures of every bike ever made broke.
The Cervelo gives me chills it looks so sexy, the Orro Venturi looks similar but is a fraction of the price, I wonder how they compare🧐 i understand its a premium vs Value but it would be nice to see the comparisons
I don’t really mind weight on bikes, all I want is fit and relative comfort coz I built my body with some muscles with my 178cm height on 72-75kgs on 10 to 12% body fat, when I go lighter maybe 70, I can’t focus on work, easily burn my energy and worst , my mood swings too much!
If you're talking about its groupset and cockpit compatibility, then yes, it surely is a winner in those two aspects. This is one of my few favourite 2020s road bikes.
So the heaviest bike in the pro peloton is the best? Good to know... No mention of a canyon and it literally out climbs and out sprints every bike mentioned....
Why don't you show a list of what bikes were tested? The fact I have yet to see any review of the new Trek say it's actual weight, saying instead "its lost 300g from the previous model" tells you it's still probably heavy garbage I highly doubt the S5 is the best race bike, .5kgs heavier that the Scott Foil is shocking... If my these are my choices, I'm going Cannondale, Giant, Trek, Cervelo
How many people actually race? Let's say in the UK. 2000? Less? I don't mean in a velodrome but on the road. So the production of these bikes isn't really for racing. It's just selling the idea.
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
The Cervélo has the best creaking BB of all time, literally the worst bike ever made. Had 3 of them and all has BB issues They made the tolerances so big so that they didn’t have to warranty the frames. The madone is a great bike but the seat tube has issues, even the older madone with the isospeed had issues too, I have the slr9 and had the sl7 which were great bikes. Riding a factor o2 now and it’s the fastest bike I’ve ridden to date.
Why y'all getting bent out of shape for results that were more based on the sheet specs, and a nonreal practical road experience than actual real knowledge based comparisons? It's entertainment.. Pros ride what they're told to and they win on every combination out there..
@@byrondixon4648 must’ve missed it. Wouldn’t thought the foil would of done better than the trek as it is so light and very good value. I don’t own a Scott btw 😂
If it's junk, then it wouldn't do what it was designed for. Pretty sure the right rider can win a few races or stages with either of these bikes, like how many pro-cyclists have already. That doesn't sound like junk to me.
I bought a used S5 as a bridge bike while i waited for a 2023 madone to arrive. Before the arrival i loved the S5 so much that i was torn when the madone came closer to arriving. Ultimately i kept the S5 due to my new madone was too small even though all sales people said a 54 was the right size, the seat mast was jist too small.
Im a winner either way cause the S5 is amazing
I purchased the new Trek Madone in the SLR7 variant, but upgraded to Shimano Dura-Ace di2. Shod the bike with 30mm tires. The tire change makes the ride quality comfy (for a race bike). I turn 55 this year and can easily be on the bike for 4-5 hours. Sure, for a non-pro cyclist, the bike is pure overkill. BUT, it is noticeably faster than the bike it replaced (Time Skylon) and I have the data that shows this.
Same with me.. got the slr9 with sram red... it is a much faster bike than my orca m20
Pity it weighs a ton
I have a Supersix EVO but running those Reserve 52/63 wheels after switching from the KNOT wheelset…..it was an amazing difference in lateral stiffness, lifetime replacement warranty…amazing wheels. Together the bike and wheels are epic.
The normalisation of £multi-thousand bikes is a bit daft IMHO. Even the 'best value' one here. Look at Ribble or Boardman for example - £1k-£2k will get all the bike most people would ever need.
Super interesting analysis Sam. Thanks. Would be great to also see your awards for Endurance bikes. And then …. To help us real world riders, a comparison across the race vs endurance winners. Because ultimately that is what most people will be weighing up when they buy their next bike. Cheers
Guys most of the “handling” and “feeling” of the bike attributes are heavily effected by the tyre. You compare the S5 on and effective 30mm tyre v the Trek on a narrow tyre and say it is more comfortable- this is the tyre! Why don’t you eliminate this by having a control tyre so this eliminates a variance that can be cheaply (and often is) swapped out as soon as you get the bike home. Also which other bikes are you comparing these against? Seems a small pool on the surface…
Good job!
Thank you, Sam Gupta!
S5 is also devastatingly handsome.
Especially in person.
Another collection of bikes I’ll never be able to afford 👍🏾
I’m getting on Marketplace and finding a 7-8 year old top spec bike and fixing it up and coming in at 10% the cost for a lighter bike. As long as I can do that you will never get that kind of money out of me for a gravel bike essentially
I was looking at getting the supersix evo , not the high mod . But I wasn't quick enough. They sell so fast . I'll keep My eye on the high mod and maybe splash the cash in the future
Have fun with the creaking seatpost!😂
@Wieler toerist I know on the older versions people solved that problem by changing the seat post with a carbon one. I believe the hi mod and the evo 1 already has a carbon seat post
@@darrenthomas9928 Creaking seatposts are easily fixed with Fiber Grip compound..Don't listen to that guy.
@@michaelsteven1090 mate I can't get hold of one , size 58 with ultegra di2 is impossible to get at the moment
If you can't get the high mod get the Lab71
Can’t go past Polygon. Fast. Comfortable. Cool.
Don’t like the look of any of these. If I had to choose one it would be the Propel but even Giant’s prices have gone up and need to come down to a realistic price!
so its all about the "look".. silly statement..Do you watch yourself while riding your bike?
@@michaelsteven1090 TH-cam is full of obnoxious, argument seeking people like yourself! Why don’t you give it a rest and accept that people have differing opinions to your own!
Ah Cervèlo and its ultimate ownership experience that starts with squeaky for and goes all the way to BB that just fell apart. The number of QC issues makes it look like it was assembled in a sweatshop. The brand refuses direct contact with the customer and tells the dealer to just take the broken BB out and put it back in. If the issue will repeat within a year (which is likely) then I’ll need to fix it outside the warranty. Keep in mind that we are talking about BB aka last thing on a road bike that can/should fail…
Frustrating to see that you guys get an Cervelo S5 for testing while mine is ordered since september 2022 and still haven't received it. Oh and dont tell me they have shortage on components.... you litteraly can get almost every groupset on stock now.
That is very frustrating. Where are you at? I live in California and I ordered my S5 around August and it arrived in October.
@@anders6383 Europe - Belgium. Most of the webshops over here just remove them from their site as they just are giving up because of these ridiculous lead times.
£10,000 would buy you THREE really good motorbikes. Just think about that and you’ll realise the bike industry is taking the p*ss.
Lol. When it comes to Cornering speed , I’m more confident on a wider & rounder tires than narrower tires. Never thought about any bike classification until now 😅😅😅
My order is already placed but would be great to see how the SL8 compares to the S5, Madone and Evo. I wonder how the SL7 would have ranked, as it didn't appear to have been included.
SL8 is just a fixed SL7 because they botched the 7
I have an eye on the Propel. Of all these models, it seems to be the only one where you can buy the frame by itself and build it up however you want. Just not many choices when it comes to paint.
You can buy a frame from Cannondale and built it up , high mod or lab71
The R5 is a dream to ride. Have you compared it to Lab71?
Would like to see your impression of the Factor Ostro VAM
Winner is 8.2kg!?!?! I imagine you then have to add pedals, bottle cages and computer mount. I expect if I striped my current bike of pedals and the rest, it would be a full 2kg lighter. Progress???
You should be able to climb in the saddle. It should be comfortable there. I biked the Pyrenees. Clicked in the saddle except to stretch the legs.
What about the S5 's steering stops cracking the frame? I have heard and seen that this happens very easily
I bought s Work sl7 from a man of Facebook for a £1000 , he didn’t have the original receipt, but gave me A verbal guarantee it wasn’t stolen !
That's too good to be true. I think it's stolen.
You can get a equally good bike , less expensive !
As the industry goes north pricewise, you seam to cheer it up. This bicycles are very good but the price per perfomance is out. Of course people in England are most probably the richiest in the larger Europe, but still don't you think you should promote bikes from 3-4K range rather than this set 5K+?
Obviously I recognize your tilt towards the richier poplultation and watch it as a car show, but still would be great if you did go through Canyon, Rose, Giant and even Trek mid range and get us the recomendation as you are very skilled and that I appreciate.
guys 10.000 pound is not bike money. If you need a bike that expensive join a pro team or be a pro. But don't hand them the cash for something that lasts a few short years.
Need doesn't come into it.
Yep. Buy a Steel bike, and really give them the middle finger….
I say buy whatever bike inspires you to ride. Something that makes you addicted to sitting on the saddle and pushing yourself to ride for longer and farther. If that's a £10,000 bike, fine. People spend their money on dumber shit, at least this can keep you fit.
@@M3GRSD 💯!
@@stevekelly6544 is a steel bike light, zippy and snappy as my carbon ones though?
Madone looks great with the seat post snapped in 1/2. I’ve seen one.
All new tech gets scrutinized until its normal, all carbon bikes are going to explode, disc brakes are going to cause way to many accidents on road bikes, carbon wheels will crumble beneath you all the way back to no one will ever want more than five speed. All bikes break, there are pictures of every bike ever made broke.
The Cervelo gives me chills it looks so sexy, the Orro Venturi looks similar but is a fraction of the price, I wonder how they compare🧐 i understand its a premium vs Value but it would be nice to see the comparisons
If money were no object, it's the Madone SLR for me. Don't think I've ever seen a bike that striking before; in Viper Red tho. Black is boring.
I don’t really mind weight on bikes, all I want is fit and relative comfort coz I built my body with some muscles with my 178cm height on 72-75kgs on 10 to 12% body fat, when I go lighter maybe 70, I can’t focus on work, easily burn my energy and worst , my mood swings too much!
The actual winner is the Specialized S-Works SL7.
If you're talking about its groupset and cockpit compatibility, then yes, it surely is a winner in those two aspects. This is one of my few favourite 2020s road bikes.
So the heaviest bike in the pro peloton is the best? Good to know... No mention of a canyon and it literally out climbs and out sprints every bike mentioned....
Enjoyed this. Not picking anything apart, i just enjoyed watching this. Was on the edge of my seat actually. Very entertaining 👏
Why don't you show a list of what bikes were tested?
The fact I have yet to see any review of the new Trek say it's actual weight, saying instead "its lost 300g from the previous model" tells you it's still probably heavy garbage
I highly doubt the S5 is the best race bike, .5kgs heavier that the Scott Foil is shocking...
If my these are my choices, I'm going Cannondale, Giant, Trek, Cervelo
Trek SLR7 size 54 7.2kg
You don't think they're doing some across the line test?
My choice would be supersix / propel wich one is best? 🤷🏻♂️ Hard to decide
Propel! ❤
@@darkdogdarkdog bought the new giant defy 😁with cadex50 ultra Wheels
How many people actually race? Let's say in the UK. 2000? Less? I don't mean in a velodrome but on the road. So the production of these bikes isn't really for racing. It's just selling the idea.
What an inane comment. More than 100k people have racing licences in UK.
The question was how many race on the road not how many have licenses. There aren't 100k names in the results. Bet there are 1000 or less
@@markrushton1516 have some critical thinking. To race on road or on track you need a racing licence. For it to be
I ride Cube Agree and consider it much better value for money than the Giant.
So glad I'm not in the market for a new bike. All these bikes were either over priced or just cheap junk. Cannondale!
love my S5 😁
I bought one it’s awesome….
S works did not win?
l dont disagree with the choices made just prices and weight of today's bikes is outrageous than what we got yrs ago !!
What about local made bike I’m getting a Handsling aero
i disagree with the giant propel in this category.
please check the polygon helios a7x.
Can’t afford any of these. Need to check out Chinese frames.
Hi how cani join so that i can get the bike please
This bike was really easy to assemble th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
I'd like to see a video about "The Is The BEST - Highest Rated Cycle Coaching/Program You Can Hire or Buy | Coach of the Year 2023"
And yet Trek Madonr seat post cracks and fails. Terrible pick. Cycling weekly was definitely paid for this review.
Gotta be Cannondale ❤
Those aero claims can grow linearly
Not presence of the Canyon Aeroad... Seems weird.
4:45
Canyon aeroad has 2 times the value of trek and cervelo. And the aeroad even at half the price is faster😂
My 2012 specialized cirrus was 600 bucks and it will do 90% of what these bikes will do.
LOL
The Cervélo has the best creaking BB of all time, literally the worst bike ever made. Had 3 of them and all has BB issues
They made the tolerances so big so that they didn’t have to warranty the frames.
The madone is a great bike but the seat tube has issues, even the older madone with the isospeed had issues too, I have the slr9 and had the sl7 which were great bikes.
Riding a factor o2 now and it’s the fastest bike I’ve ridden to date.
Tell your guy on the video to stay on the drops, that is where the biggest aero improvement lies, not the bike or the wheels . That's marketing 😊!
Why y'all getting bent out of shape for results that were more based on the sheet specs, and a nonreal practical road experience than actual real knowledge based comparisons? It's entertainment.. Pros ride what they're told to and they win on every combination out there..
Why no Scott mentioned??
Scott was mentioned right at the end in passing as being a light bike I'm fairly sure
@@byrondixon4648 must’ve missed it. Wouldn’t thought the foil would of done better than the trek as it is so light and very good value. I don’t own a Scott btw 😂
what a load of rubbish... how can you do bike of the year without showing what bikes were included... sponsored TH-cam vid!
Best bike of the year without disk brakes. Let’s see how many don’t have them
They all crashed on a wet mountain descent 😂
It depends on which make you get the most revenue from 🤣
Giant TCR. 2 second video. Move on.
Treke madone hole was for aero... not comfort...
Sorry … best bike is still the Dogma F
So sad to see the gentrification of this sport. I mean it was always expensive but now it’s looney toons.
If only we could impose a blind test to these "reviewers".
Integrated cables, monocockpit, diskbrakes, carbon, electrical shifting, no thanks
S5 is more aero than Madone lol
£10-15000 for heavy bikes 😄
warning: 14 minute advert incoming....
Unrealistic. Most riders cannot generate 400W of power to benefit from one of these. Don't drink the Cool Aid.
Value for money … £5k lol they must pay you guys a lot to think that’s value
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grey bikes are boring
More like expensive junk of the year!
If it's junk, then it wouldn't do what it was designed for. Pretty sure the right rider can win a few races or stages with either of these bikes, like how many pro-cyclists have already. That doesn't sound like junk to me.
The SuperSix is ugly though
Duh
madone design has been butchered!