ooh just like that episode of Spongebob where Plankton piloted a money themed robot called Cashina designed a humanoid android in the shape of dollar whom Krabs marries then anulls when its uncovered that it is a scheme by Plankton to gain control of the Krabby Patty secret formula.
It's the inevitable result of conflating even the most mild critiques of US capitalism with the state atheism policy of the USSR. Limits on free enterprise = socialism = oppression of Christians.
It's not a heresy in the technical sense (i.e. there are no condemnations of the doctrine by an ecumenical council, nor has a splinter group formed as a result of the teaching), but it is routinely called a heresy even in Evangelical circles. That's not to say that a teacher of the prosperity gospel can't be a heretic in the strict meaning of the term. The modalist heresy (which teaches that God consists of only one person who performs three roles, in contrast to the three-person monotheism of orthodox Nicene Christianity) is popular in some branches of Pentecostalism, for instance. Creflo Dollar has been called a heretic on both fronts.
It's doubly ridiculous since Luther got angry at catholic church because of exactly the same reasons. And then the contrreformation came so now, at least ideologically, Catholics are less concerned with wealth than some Protestants
@@MAMoreno Christian's: gay people shouldn't get married and the Bible should be taught in schools! Normal people (including noncrazy Christian's lol): actually that's a terrible idea and it's unconstitutional Christian's: you're all gay atheist communists who need to be deported before you make us into a marx-muslim worshipping 1940s hitler Germany ripoff that kills Christian's like it's a national passtime nation!
Hi, I'm a service technician for home medical equipment. A hospital bed with an air mattress and a wheelchair shouldn't cost more than $2400 to buy outright. And if they have insurance, the cost would be even lower. While that hurts his boat fund, he's still got 20 grand if he buys everything outright. And I refuse to believe shelves, landscaping, and door paint costs 20k. He's just a prick.
And am I the only one who thinks that if a boat costs their entire savings, he shouldn't be getting one? You need insurance for it, maintenance, gas, a truck & trailer to tow it to and from the water, etc... If you've bought a car, you'll know that just acquiring the car itself is only half the battle.
That's a great point. Door paint + landscaping + shelves...maybe a couple grand? Is this supposed to be a relatable plot point, weighing the cost of someone's medical needs and a reasonable, relatively inexpensive quality-of-living set of improvements vs an extravagant, savings-draining, ongoing and completely unnecessary and selfish expense as something that a regular man struggles with (and should struggle with)?
One of my good friends was having marital problems and her and her husband saw this as a way to help their marriage. Over 10 years later, she's happily single and feels better.
I know this is years later but if you don’t mind me asking, how did it go? Did the relationship appear better for a bit and then the cracks began to show again? Did the relationship just not improve at all? Did they respect the effort but decide they weren’t right for each other? Was it actually a terrible marriage that one side attempted to “fix” with this? I’m just curious how something like this plays out in real life
@TheOtherBoobJustDropped He ended up having an affair and getting the woman pregnant. That was all she told me but there were other more personal things she could say, I could tell.
This is why I question Christian women, but most women of faith. Most of them make women secondary in life even to their male children and yet the source of most teachings and perpetuating faith.
If you didn't grow up with a "sweet" hardline conservative evangelical mother, trust me, it's fucking hard not to snap when their solution to everything is just feelings and trust god and shit. No critical thinking, no logic, no helpful advice, just diet racism and parroting religious beliefs as if the bible in its current form was handed by Jesus himself to George Washington followed by the phrase "Christianity is the AMERICAN way." Being disrespectful is one thing, but having a conversation about anything at all with people like that is just an internal eye-roll fest. Trust me, I dealt with it for 18 years.
@@Oxideist I agree that it's excruciating to deal with sometime, especially if you prefer logical over emotional answers. However, what you describe is not something to hate your mom over. I'm not defending their lack of critical/independent thinking, but I am saying that it's not bad enough to warrant your child hating you.
I feel like it should say something that the only time Kirk Cameron is a convincing actor is when he is implicitly threatening his wife. Like that scene felt way too real.
woolywubbs spindeckle Agreed. He’s garbage at using his body in every other scene, but when yelling at his wife, he acted confidently and with his whole body 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wonder if that's why his real wife wasn't his wife in this movie, because he knew how she would react when he yelled at her. I have PTSD, not from domestic violence or anything but I can tell you right now that if anyone yells at me like he yelled at her I would have a fucking screaming panic attack, I'd pass out on the floor. And if his wife reacted with actual fear someone on set might have cared. He's a terrible actor and that was the first time anything he said in this movie felt real.
maybe because he like any other person can relate to conflict situations but isn't really behind the rest of the ridiculous mess of a movie? But it pays his bills and he isn't a teen-star anymore...
@@ApsaraMenaka he was a shitty actor throughout the entire movie. He wasn't a teen in _this_ movie. It was the only scene that felt real, it seemed like he _wasnt_ acting.
@@radiatorbacon5239 the fact that you feel the need to point out that he wasn't a teen in this movie shows me that you missunderstood what I was trying to say. maybe because my first language isn't english. but I also don't know how to say it differently. So I just am sorry for not being able to say it differently. We do agree on the fact that he is a bad actor though... but I probably have other reasons to think so than you.
@@notnotkavi Yup - the earliest example of a chocolate beverage was among the Olmecs, and it was consumed by almost all pre-colonial Mexicans. Possibly the only thing that would upset a right-wing evangelical more than the idea of it being invented by pagans...
Hey I got a question for you atheist since that’s exactly what this channel is all about I just want to come at one time actually I commented twice so I’m gonna call Matt one more I don’t wanna ask you simply do you have kids and if you do have kids when your child ask you if he can touch the hot stove do you allow them to the point is this we cars our own problems we caused the sins in our own life and those sins caused death and destruction before you go Thanking for a moment that I am wrong about this think about history you guys claim about the whole global phenomenon known as global warming think about global warming for a moment and tell me that I’m wrong or if I’m wrong about that why would I be wrong about something else because deep down inside we all belong to the Lord and if you want to continue to fuss and fight and kick and scream all the way to your death that’s your choice as for me and my house we’re going to serve the Lord and secular movies do exactly the same thing you’re saying this movie does so before you go blaming anybody else on your problems you’re the cause of those problems you your self if you want good things to happen in your life you have to make those things happen I’ve been a believer I’ve seen a lot of things in my life and 39 years old I was abused from the time I was 7-14years of age and no I didn’t need To be told that God existed I knew he existed So who do you blame when that child gets burned on the stove do you blame yourself are you blame a child My guess is you’re not old enough to make that decision
@@honestfishingdillow5088 Don't want to be mean here, you surely have a good question in there, but try using commas and paragraphs. Is very hard to understand you. Cheers.
My parents attend an evangelical church and theyd make me attend before I moved out. I remember one of the last few sermons I went to was about relationships and money. The pastor said something along the lines of "the man is the head of the household and the finances" and I leaned over to my mother and whispered that this would never work in our house. And she whispered back that we'd all be homeless with dad in charge.
Irish comedian Dylan Moran just did a standup bit that reminds me of that funny exchange with your mom. Disregard this if you want, but I thought I’d link to it. The relevant bit happens around 4:00 :) th-cam.com/video/CWxAarluK8s/w-d-xo.html
@@Emiliapocalypse Dylan Moran is one one my favorite comedians (his show Black Books is a hidden gen) and I laughed so hard at that set you linked too! Thank you so much for that!!
Heard a Mega-church pastor near me deliver a passionate sermon about how Colgate, like the original Colgate became rich because he paid a certain percentage of income to his church. He was able to preach it in such a way that he got a standing ovation.
@@Ojo10 Nothing makes me laugh harder than the "stop paying for indulgences!" religions turning around and saying "pay 10% or more of your income to the church" with no irony.
Please do a 2-hour video about the film Christian Mingle except only about the single scene where the girl attends a family lunch at the restaurant "Steak and Cake" where the characters are placed on a stark white background while being served steaks and chocolate cakes that look indistinguishable.
The guys over at the God Awful Movies Podcast have covered "Christian Mingle" and about 150+ other Christian movies, if you're interested on their take.
@Ren Helene or the one where she leaves a Christian for dummies book out face up with a wide open suitcase full of what I think was just pillow cases if I'm correct. Maybe that was another scene...
I remember when this came out, and mostly laughing about the stunt-kiss thing with his wife, and thinking how weird it was they didn't just cast Cameron's actual wife, who is also an actor, and whose entire career has essentially been playing opposite Kirk Cameron, as his wife in this. As if the role of "woman who comes to sincerely love Kirk Cameron" was outside of her range as an actor or something.
At the time, his real wife was in her mid 40s, while his movie wife was in her mid 20s. Kirk can’t be onscreen married to some old broad. Ageism at its Christian finest.
iirc it was actually a ploy by the church to get the actress (the head pastor's daughter[which, given some of the weird daddy stuff in this movie, yikes])other acting gigs
You know, the mom's response actually weirds me out even more. I mean, kids accidentally say inappropriate stuff all the time (although imagining Kirk Cameron writing that line for a little girl to read is just... eww), but then the mom doesn't say, "Honey, that's not appropriate," or something remotely normal. She says they can't get married because, "He's MY husband," AS IF THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE! Like, why would you even...
@@RCSDominoToppling Kids don't view things the same way as adults, especially stuff like marriage and affection, since they know hardly anything about sexuality or adult social consepts in general. It's like when kids are thought to be damaged if they see boobs in a movie or something, it's just adults projecting
@@limalepakko6074 but that isn't a kid talking. It's an adult writing. It's a man writing the fantasy where his kid admires him so much that she would say that.
HOW COULD YOU LEAVE OUT THE PART WHERE HE DEStROYS HIS COMPUTER TO PROVE HIS LOVE lmao that was the best part. He couldn't just block his old porn sites and restrict himself, he had to do something grandiose like taking a baseball bat to his desktop
ugh my grandmother made me watch this movie in lieu of giving me a talk on how to be a good husband and my mom and I were like ". . . this is disturbing and bad. Why is Kirk Cameron so cringe?"
"It is easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24 Kirk Cameron is possibly one of the most repulsive people in existence. Up there with Joel "You can't have a bed in my megachurch during a hurricane" Osteen.
Funny thing about that quote, I've heard a religious right politician, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, seriously argue that some translations say the needle is actually a large hoop for grains and that it could be argued that wealthy people would have no problem getting in. It was utter nonsense but it speaks volumes about how manipulative evangelicals are with rhetoric. They'll waffle on what the bible said about greed, diet, tattoos, polygamy, slavery, etc. but take vague quotes as clear-cut law on other issues.
@@joshuatxuk jesus was an anti capitalist rebel but so many churches forget this. I haven't heard that before Joshuatxuk and although it worries the poop out of me that people are teaching that i appreciate you mentioning it
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24
That small cut of him yelling at his wife after slamming the cabinet? Genuinely terrifying. I’ve never been abused by an SO and it still chilled me. Never ever should media encourage people to “save” those relationships.
Yep, I remember that being rather scary because anyone who's been in an abusive environment *knows* that rage. I remember the directors having to justify why they put that scene in because it, understandably, startled some folks. I don't remember what their justification was, but IRL that should be pack-my-bags-tonight behavior.
yup but according to conservative christians, divorce is bad as marriage is ordained by god, so "abandoning" a marriage is akin to going against god's word. insane and messed up i know
I forget where I read this, it was in the 80s, but in some fundamentalist tract I read the following: It would seem that in some ancient biblical walled city there was a very narrow gate named the "eye of the needle." Apparantly it was possible for a camel to squeeze it's way through. You can see where this is going, I'm sure.
@@unrulysimian3897 yeah, that's a common rationalization that I've been told was also taught to someone in Catholic school. Unfortunately for them there's no evidence for that assertion.
"When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, '"Then who can be saved?"' And looking at them Jesus said to them, '"With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."' Matthew 19:25-26 I'm just gonna leave the rest of this passage and its context here for you. :)
@@haydenmchone1871 maybe you are not trying to provide a counterpoint to "the rich are being sinful and therefore barred from heaven" but in case you are: tithing, charity and sharing among the community because you love your neighbor is enough to keep someone from becoming rich. If you're being godly, you will NEVER approach "rich" in comparison to your neighbors.
my mom had the book and movie years ago when my parents marriage was falling apart. let me just say that now that I know the content of it I see why my mom kept putting up with such terrible treatment. Honestly bonechilling
Yeah, my parents also went through a lot of Christian meetings and studies to try to save their marriage and it was SO abusive. It always blames the woman for not "submitting" to her husband enough i.e. for having any smidgeon of control over her own life and actions. It was to the extent where my dad refused to keep going because he felt the messaging was trying to turn him into an abuser. It also deeply reinforces gender roles with statements like "women should be homemakers because they have a special crook in their elbow for holding babies." WTF
didn't expect anyone to see this comment lol i just want to share that my mom is happily remarried and has moved on from the ideas taught within this trash book/film and my father has also improved as a person and has at least recognized the harm he did. just wanted to put a bit of a lighter note and set an example to anyone fooled by these cash grab abusive books that these people are taking advantage of your problems to scam you out of money and that your life and happiness is more important that whatever the fuck kirk cameron has to say ❤
Honestly the stuff the wife brings up in Fire Proof like land scaping and painting the back door are more important than a boat. They own a house and that comes with the responsibility of maintaining it. Also none of those things cost nearly as much as a boat. If you can afford a boat then you can afford all that shit.
Yeah that's what I thought as well, obviously maintaining your house is significantly more important than making an expensive purchase for no practical reasons because you think it will be fun. Especially when it's a fucking boat, that's like the archetypal bad financial decision because they have so many costs associated in maintaining them.
Yeah, you could probably do all that stuff for under $200. It's more of an indictment about how lazy Kirk is that he won't do basic stuff around the house or at least hire someone to do it.
Right! And let’s say they live in a HOA. Not getting issues like that maintained could mean they get fined, or that the HOA takes legal action against them. So getting those issues taken care of matters way more than a boat!
“Love is a decision.” Ugh. That’s what my family AND my marriage counselor told me before I filed for divorce. It was so crappy because I was miserable and they basically said I wasn’t trying hard enough to love this man who was making me miserable. I thanked them for the advice and filed anyway. I’m happier one year post-divorce than I have been in years.
I personally believe love is an action. If you are abusive I don't care about your feelings, you clearly aren't being loving. If love is a decision, then we don't have to make it though so that's good
Isn't it funny that when it's going badly, "love is a decision," and when you say "then I decide I don't wanna do this anymore" suddenly it's not a decision you're allowed to make
Evangelicals: God wants you to give us money! The Bible: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)
You mean, prosperity gospel teachers. They are definitely out there, just like you will find hypocrites, liars, and fakers in every profession/industry. However, true followers of Jesus Christ know that the love of money is the root of all evil and that God comes first always. However, that doesn't make money itself bad. It's how you use it and whether or not you worship it.
Ah but can't you see, the evangelical preachers are only taking all that evil, evil money from you in an effort to save your soul from the temptation of having it! Because of their innate purity and connection to God, they are immune to the perils of covetousness. Or something along those lines, plus God REALLY wants them to have that third house he said so last week.
As a pastor in an evangelical church, let me casually lean against a cross and say that you are right. "Christian" films like these aren't interested in exploring the actual human experience or the actual divine mystery (that, as you said, comes down to faith, not fact... at least not any facts that we can actually verify). They serve as propaganda, preying on our fears and uncertainty, pretending to offer hope and comfort when really it just makes us better consumers of the Faith Industry. 'Cause don't forget there was an actual Love Dare book that you could purchase so that you too could be just like KC and "save your marriage" just like he did, without having to actually confront your own ego, toxic masculinity, or all the ways that you illegitimize and undermine your partner through culturally-endorsed mysogyny. Whoops! Got a little snarky there... sorry! For reals though, Dudes, let's fix our hearts. Great vid, MMF, as always.
@Michael Freed First: I'm being indeed something of an asshole here. Second: what I wrote doesn't undermine "the importance" what you said, but the verbal violence and references to physical harm do. Third: nobody FUCKING OWES YOU A DEBATE.
these Upward Sparks I know what you mean. And try criticizing these movies for exactly that in evangelical circles and you’ll see a massive negative reaction. To the point that I said I mostly liked a movie (it mostly explored faith and it’s impacts across a broad set of characters) but didn’t like its weirder elements (characters coming back from the dead) and got chewed out for it.
You guys don't even know how overtly crazy pentecostal churches are. Not that it's a competition, but they take all the other stuff and add literally screaming in gibberish to it.
@@GamesFromSpace i honestly credit seeing someone "speak in tongues" at a pentecostal church (euphemistically named Celebration Church) as a teenager with getting me to look at my religious upbringing with a more skeptical eye. It creeped me out because I could tell she wasn't speaking in a real language like the Pentecost story in the bible, but everyone around me acted like it was real. I could see how the whole service was designed to create this heightened emotional state to prime us for something supernatural to happen. I felt like I was watching a bunch of junkies getting their fix for the week.
OH MY GODDDD!!!! When I left my first husband, BECAUSE HE WAS ACTING EXACTLY LIKE KIRK CAMERONS’ CHARACTER!!! My evangelical mom begged me to watch this movie to give me inspiration to “save my marriage”. 👁👄👁
I keep coming back to that "I made the decision to love your mother whether she deserves it or not." There is SO much awful/horrible/evil in that one statement. So much toxic masculinity, so much stalking/abuse, so much women-as-property... it makes my skin crawl.
@@JP2GiannaT It's the use of the word "deserve." This statement implies that there are moment where Kirk's mom doesn't deserve love, but Dad gives it anyway. Which is pretty abhorrent. However, it's clearly supposed to be working as a theological nod: a core tenant of many flavors of Christianity is that humans do not deserve God's love, but he is kind enough to love us anyway. This isn't the same as "sometimes you won't feel loving every day, but it's still on you to act in a loving manner." That's good parenting advice, friendship advice, relationship advice...assuming those are overall healthy friendships and relationships.
@@JP2GiannaT because he's the one who decides that she "doesn't deserve" love. And he's granting his unworthy, undeserving wife "love" like he's doing her a favour. A lot of controlling relationship involve one partner acting like everything they do is a sacrifice for the other, or like they're a generous person giving love to someone even though they don't deserve it That's exactly how pickup artists operate, undermining their target's self worth and then presenting themselves as someone who'll magnanimously look past those flaws, aren't you lucky, nobody else would put up with you etc. Sounds a lot like that mindset
Initial thought for me was "is this a poorly expressed notion of unconditional love?" but it's not poorly expressed. the implication of his partner being undeserving makes it a twisted version of that notion.
I understand you don't want to know why Kirk Cameron is famous, but you might want to look into how he got his love interested fired off Growing Pains because he found out she had been in Playboy. Oh, and then he married his character's next love interest in real life (the woman who was doing the stunt kissing).
i thought for the longest time Kirk Cameron was the child star that grew up to work with *It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia* still manages to work with more insanely narcissistic characters than the gang, but boy was i wrong
I grew up evangelical. Was homeschooled, went to church 3 times a week, then went to a church school, was taught creationism. Your analysis really put into words some of the biggest issues I had with the way I was raised. Ironically I have my dad to thank for showing me that that way of living is whack. I loved this video, definitely subbed. We love analytical thought!
Get the streamers! Gotta make sure them fuckers have a tether so they don't go fly'n off and creatin' mischievousness... Safety first... then team work!
In my opinion, they're probably trying to show people that too many porn addicts don't care about some of the consequences of their actions. In other words, they just want their sexual fixes.
Funny how Kirk's acting is only really convincing in the scene where he is yelling in his wife's face. Like, he legit evokes some bad childhood memories for me in that moment. JUST SOMETHING I NOTICED ABOUT TOTALLY NORMAL KIRK CAMERON WHO HAS A TOTALLY COOL RELATIONSHIP WITH WOMEN. Also, thank you for Kirk Cameron: Boat Cranker. Looking forward to this series!
Yeah, felt the same way. That was my whole childhood with my parents, and then me in my teenage years before I got anger management and realized what a douche I was.
As someone who grew up in the homeschool realm and spent high school and college in deeply fundamental circles, it was harder than I expected hear you confront the movie's mantra that love isn't a feeling but a decision and feelings aren't trustworthy. I"m here to tell you that sitting under that ideology during the impressionable teenaged years still deeply affects my ability to deal with and incorporate feelings into my decisions and daily life. I've been away from that ideology and community for a long time, so I was surprised at my immediately defensive reaction to your criticism of that idea, and then really sad at how many people continue to build their lives around ignoring their feelings and convincing themselves that love has nothing to do with feelings. It is a deeply influential and toxic ideology, and I'm glad you made this video. I definitely hope a fluke of the algorithm puts it in front of some eyeballs that might need it.
I think it is important to remember that both actions and feelings play a part in a healthy relationship, but they are separate and two distinguishable aspects. The fact that I love(feeling) my husband is what leads to me putting in the hard work to maintain a good relationship. But, I agree with you, telling people to ignore their feelings and whatnot is a horrible, horrible message. Our therapist puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that our feelings of love for each are clearly there and strong, and the force behind the work that we're putting into our relationship, but either feelings or actions without the other aren't going to bring about a healthy relationship. I wish you all the best in your journey of healing
If you are continuing to let your childhood programming affect you, that's your own damn fault. It is not enough to acknowledge the problem. Now you need to do the work. Also, it's not your fundie parent's fault that you are so out of touch with your own emotional reactions that you can't take them into account while making decisions. It's not your fundie pastor's fault. It's YOUR fault. DO THE WORK. GO TO THERAPY. Do something to clear the karma you were handed at birth. No one is going to do it for you.
@@dianeaishamonday9125 holy crap chill out. The op never said they're not trying to work on themselves. If you want someone to feel like you care about them getting help then don't be so nasty about it.
Diane Aisha Monday you’re a deeply unpleasant person. I hope you keep your terrible advice to yourself next time. All you’re doing is dumping on someone in a vulnerable place. Whether you’re a Christian or not, I don’t think you value empathy. Maybe YOU need to get some therapy so you stop blowing gaskets at strangers online.
The whole "Christians are anti-science or anti-rationality" is painting with a pretty wide (and misinformed) brush considering (for one) that a Christian (Sir Francis Bacon) was an inventer and proponent of the scientific method.
Of course! That's the whole religious right-wing way of thinking - the woman is seen as nothing, and her thoughts, feelings and even general well-being warrant little to no consideration.
@@denisemayosky1955 I know this may be rather random, but aren't there usually signs/red flags during the dating and before marriage? I mean if the guy's already a twat (like Kirk's character in the movie), why marry him?
@@williamho2940 You would think. I guess if they think God "called" them together... Seriously. My husband and I came from a church like that where couples would swear up and down that they were called to be together, even though they admitted they couldn't stand each other on their own. They had a big wedding that was so "anointed", they'd have kids, then next thing you hear, they got divorced and hated each other again. True story! Admittedly, my husband and I felt called to be together, but we'd already established a foundation of friendship and camaraderie whereas others just seemed to jump in blindly cuz they were "told to". It was weird!
@@denisemayosky1955 I could be wrong, but the wife is a doctor at the hospital. To me, this means 2 things; first she doesn't need Kirk, financially speaking. Secondly, this means if she chose, she could leave and be absolutely fine. Supporting her ailing father may be more difficult, but still probably better than submitting herself hostage by taking his support. Fact is, the husband in the movie could use the fact of him providing support as something against her...
@Vlavitir glutginskiya It's so tedious and idiotic when folks like you continue to characterize the mostly peaceful protests as riots, and the protesters as terrorists. It's not just patently inaccurate, it's childish. And continuing to rely on diminishing fossil fuels while denigrating renewable energy sources (as Trump and his brain-dead followers do) is virtually suicidal to society in the long run.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya Ah, the old "I'll post a link to the kind of nutcase videos that inform my far-right crypto-fascist worldview as a strategy to make a non-point". Yawn.
As a Christian, Kirk Cameron's brand if Christianity angers me so much. If you do Saving Christmas, I'll have to skip that one. Thinking about that movie is a recipe for a bad day.
As a podcast who has done that movie, I agree. It was THE WORST. Watching this video about Fireproof before we do our review on it has us groaning. One of our friends says it's "not that bad" but after seeing that screaming match in the kitchen, I don't trust them lol
@@feministcritique9978 I don't envy you, but I respect y'all for going toe to toe with Cameron's crap. Prosperity-gospel is a grotesque mockery of Christianity, and it's grasp on American Christians makes me feel sick.
@@miraprime474 Yeah. I have to work on uploading our podcast episodes to TH-cam (We're kinda new to this particular version and trying to grow our audience while also doing exclusive vids, but my god is that time consuming for my co host and I and our busy schedules) but I still have nightmares about that one. Honestly though, the worst Evangelical movie that we've reviewed was Old Fashioned. It's a super unhealthy look at two people in a relationship, was the Christian alternative to 50 Shades of Grey and yet manages to be 1000xs worse in toxicity. And as I have family who are super evangelical Christians, it really irritates the hell out of me that so many of them gobble up Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen and Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham when they're the worst kind of preacher.
@@feministcritique9978 I wish you the best. I have a couple failed podcasts under my belt, so I'm familiar with that struggle. I don't recommend listening to them (I thought too much of myself then), but they're on my channel. And I definitely understand the frustration of watching family members gobble up the messages of folks like Meyer and Osteen.
No wonder Kirk doesn't want to talk to his mother about his problems. She sympathizes with his wife! Thinking about her needs? What good is that gonna do???
Actually, he did not want to talk to his mother cos he felt she did not have moral standing to talk to him since she was going to leave his father. It was later the father confessed to kirk's character that it was actually him (the father) that wanted to divorce his mom. Kirk felt remorseful and went to apologize for his misunderstanding.
It's alarming how well this movie portrays the cycle of abuse without realizing it. The abuser abuses and goes too far which causes the victim to wise up and decide to leave. The abuser then freaks out because they're losing control of their victim, so they lovebomb (er, love dare?) the victim with fake, but grand, gestures of affection until the victim decides the abuser is sorry and really loves them after all and comes back. All we're missing is Fireproof II where Kirk escalates and begins beating her when he discovers that he's still married to a human being and not an automaton, only to have *yet another* come-to-Jesus, and maybe a part III for good measure where she leaves him and he kills her in the first ten minutes of the film, only to be *finally* redeemed by a good, properly submissive Christian woman who marries him in prison and convinces some horrifying Republican governor to commute his sentence.
Except in the context of this movie, none of that happens. His heart really does change, eats dirt, and makes no excuses for his behavior after changing. None of the abusive behaviors are trivialized, or praised.
Damn. I didn't know there was a term for economic abuse. Growing up in an evangelical household I knew it was grimy how my family treated money, but that really gives me the language to talk about it. Thanks!
Natalya Keane My family punisher me for accidentally dropping my baby sister’s toy at age 7 by forcing me to log how much I cost them for two months and work it off as a literal indentured slave. They even took away my clothes for some of that. I had to wear a clown costume they found at a garage sale for _three days_. My dad loved this sort of film.
Is, uh...that an actual interpretation of that commandment? When I was growing up in the faith I was taught that that meant not to use God or any of his other names as a curse word...
@@ryanahr2267 I was raised in the faith too and learned the same interpretation you have, but now that I'm grown, claiming to speak for God in order to benefit personally seems so much worse than cussing
Also I think it speaks volumes about this films intended audience that the "relatable couple" has money problems like "re-do the landscaping" and "buy a boat" like what jumped out to me when I saw that scene in theaters was: "man I wish we had hardwood floors"
i went to christian schools, they showed us this movie over a week and made us write essays every day about the section we watched and what we learned about god and love. this was 6th grade
Lady, I'm a very angry, confused, depressed Mormon. Thank you for everything you've said. I need to see the world from outside spaces to figure out how I really feel. I am not a science denier, and people shame me for it. I'm so tired of feeling shamed and inadequate. Thank you again, Maggie.
I used to be an angry, confused, depressed Mormon. I had my name removed from the records in 2016 and have been happier. Sometimes still angry, confused, or depressed, but no longer surrounded by people who tell me it's a sign of spiritual inadequacy or that I'm not trying hard enough to not have mental illnesses. It gave me permission to explore myself and come out as nonbinary and start transition. So I hope you do whatever feels right for you. Leaving was right for me. It didn't fix all my problems, but it removed the voices that were so confusing and frustrating from my life and let me direct my own life for the first time.
Evangelical christianity is also a Christianity where the pastor doesn't get formal education in theology to be able to read the Bible in a historical and cultural setting.
Like, I appreciate the whole protestant idea of democratizing the bible and saying that normal people should be able to read the bible without a priest to interpret for them (back in the day most people were illiterate and actually couldn't read the bible at all) but i hate what it's become. any asshole with a cheap suit can rent a podium and preach any old thing that comes to mind. And tons of people will gravitate to him (because it's always a he) and treat him like he's god himself! and any cross word against the *pastor* is treated as blasphemy against god himself. I hate it lol
True, my sister goes to a church with two pastors (one an embezzling engineer and the other a p*dophi*ic highschool teacher). The thief claims the money he stole is a blessing from God (he's super rich now) and encourages congregants to be corrupt to benefit Christians like them and male. The teacher is a child trafficking, conman and pretty great at grooming and indoctrination. She's starting to see the light but her husband is not and will probably never be.
Every preacher I've talked to or had experience with, as far as I know, has had formal theological training. . .so maybe don't generalize your experience to everyone.
@@garrusn7702 Yet none of them can ever agree on what it actually means, it's almost as if their formal training has no bearing on interpreting the bible or claiming one thing is true over another.
Man, I grew up in an evangelical home and I saw this movie growing up. My parents always told me that love was “doing what’s good for another person even when they don’t accept it.” And this movie reminds me of that attitude so much and how paternalistic and hurtful that definition of love is. I was taught growing up that love wasn’t what you felt but what you did for other people. Therefore, forcing yourself to do favors for someone you were “supposed to love” was the epitomy of love, a bond of mutual indebtedness. As I get older, I’m learning that the bonds we have with others shouldnt be driven by guilt and duty but mutual understanding and empathy. But it’s been a lot of unlearning. Also I think the reason they dont go into detail about Kirk Cameron’s porn habits is bc you’d have to share salacious details that might horrify born again moviegoers. Also you did not discuss the gem of a scene where Kirk Cameron destroys his computer with a baseball bat to purge himself of sin. Anyway thanks for making this video and I’m sorry for this very long comment.
“doing what’s good for another person even when they don’t accept it” explains so much of the conservative christian mentality. Both the part about exhausting yourself by giving all your time and energy to a relationship that doesn't give you anything back, and the part about forcing your definition of "what good for another person" on them no matter how much they want you to stop.
Man, this idea of love is so ingrained in non-christians just as much and I don't understand why. I've experienced it with a partner where both of us were technically atheistic and feminists, but the patriarchal and religious socialization/abuse we both suffered as children won out. Still wrapping my mind around this phenomenon Guilt and indebtedness bonds are absolute hell and such an easy gateway for abuse to seep in.
That scene is fucking hilarious, pointlessly destroying an expensive piece of tech that is very useful being somehow a good act. Truly this is a movie made by millionaires.
I'm sure you're aware, but I just want to make it clear to anyone who isn't, but Ayn Rand was a pro-abortion rights atheist. Which is why all of these prosperity gospel vampires try to tout her economic ideas without naming her directly.
Britton Stanaland I’m saying they worship her economic policies, rather than the “God” or “Jesus” they tell everyone they do. I’m also being snarky, because I fucking hate conservatives.
OMG. My sister saw this with her church group at the movies and she laughed her butt off because they don’t come right out and say he’s looking at internet porn. Some older woman was a loud whisperer and kept saying she didn’t understand. Another audience meme rep really loudly said “Porn. he’s looking at porn. “ my sister said it was hilarious.
This is so accurate to real like growing up as an Evangelical Christian. I'm just coming out of all that religious pressure and it sure does take a lot of time and patience. Anyone else going through that too, you're not alone. 💗
In middle school this movie was sold in my church’s gift shop. I remember the pastor saying it was a really good film that will help your marriage. My mom bought it and I think watched it? I don’t remember her ever talking about it, but considering how toxic her marriage was and still is it was probably hard for her to sit through. :( I just can’t imagine that anyone with good judgement would earnestly recommend this movie to anyone as a solution to their relationship problems.
That's the thing with Christians I really resent. They have no real concept of the world or the people in it, only caricatures. I grew up evangelical and left at 22. I kept looking for all these hateful, lost people I'd been hearing about and realize the version I was shown didn't exist. Likewise, these movies have people believing that every person claiming to be a Christian is unwaveringly and effortlessly good, emotionally intelligent and very seasoned in their walk with God. Still looking for those Christians...
Sandra Llewellyn no way, we Christian are SO NOT PERFECT ... AT ALL ... we are not effortlessly good (we definitely make mistakes) and our walk with God is not seasoned it is full of ups and downs and twists and turns (believe me, I get angry at God sometimes for things I’m going though) we just...if we are going through hard times, we turn to him and he helps us through it
Your essay explains Nietzsche's concept of "Slave Morality" better than any video I've seen. Both the husband and wife commit to denying their feelings (and their freedom to follow them) in order to pledge allegiance to the spiritualized authority of the state. I think you just ruined marriage for me, thanks Maggie,
He was great for Christianity by helping it grow. At same I wonder how view it as passive yet he should know faith struggle or struggle of Desert dwelling Fathers and Mothers. Their thing is about sacred struggle.
Don't feel bad, Marcus. True, functional marriages (and love relationships in general) are based on mutual respect, empathy and openness about each other's feelings; not on slavish devotion to bronze age gender roles and cultural impositions.
I love that you acknowledged that Jesus was a radical figure. It's amazing how *American evangelicals can just suck the soul out of any meaningful ideas in the Bible. Btw thanks for captioning your videos! ✌
I disagree that Jesus was necessary "anti-authoritarian". He demanded that his followers shun their families and threatened anyone who didn't believe in him to burn in Hell. Jesus was a cult leader and who may have hated the Roman Empire, but he was certainly not above being a controlling leader himself.
@@NinjaGamr64 Eh, some of his language reflects the reasonable requirements that a group of disciples would have to adhere to in order to follow around an itinerant rabbi. I mean, he was roaming around all over the place in Galilee and Judea. His students really couldn't divide their loyalties if they wanted to be taught by him. (And it's worth remembering that to "hate" or "love" someone in a 1st century Jewish context is to show them a varying degree of favor through your actions, not to express a certain kind of emotion toward them. This notion is what Fireproof is trying and failing to explore.) Also, a whole lot of the "hell" (literally "Gehenna") stuff in the Gospels is apocalyptic language that alludes to the imagery of body pits in the books of the Israelite prophets. Basically, the message behind all of the symbolic wording is this: "If you don't listen to me, you're going to keep behaving in a way that's going to get you all killed." And, well, soon came the Jewish-Roman War, thanks in large part to radicals who wanted to fight off the Roman occupation. It turns out that the message of pacifism really could have helped those Judeans avoid a tragic outcome. Whether you take that message as prophetic insight or just doing a good job of reading the room is, of course, a matter of faith. (And more importantly, it grants no justification to modern-day antisemitism.)
Wow the mom's immediate response wasn't "You can't marry your father because he's your father" it was "you can't marry your father because he's my husband already." Really acting like this little girl is going to steal her man. Gross.
To be fair that’s a lot more appropriate than then having to explain to a child in detail why a sexual relationship between a father and daughter is wrong
@@goosegas2087 That'd be the message "other people's negative opinion should inform your worldview" instead of "incest is bad." You really can just tell a kid "you can't marry your dad, marrying your dad is not allowed."
To be fair, there is a short phase in life where some young kids say they want to marry their parent. Not sure what's up with that, but I vividly remember my own words at that age and I cringe
God, my church had a huge event when this movie came out (on Valentine's Day of all days) and we all sat and watched this dumpster fire. All I could think the whole time was "This is the worst movie I have ever seen and I hate this man so much." Then christian stores and churches were peddling the companion devotional book so MUCH, and the advertising for Fireproof especially was EVERYWHERE. I got so fucking tired of watching bad marriage after bad marriage be "restored" through harmful books and ideologies like this. And rarely did those women ever find their way out. It's extremely depressing to see women's spiritual lights and personalities die after being conditioned to stay in a bad relationship because it's the good and godly thing to do.
Haven't seen your channel before. Started watching this video and stopped a few minutes in. *_THIS IS SO GOOD, I HAVE TO SAVE IT FOR LATER SO I CAN SHARE THE EXPERIENCE WITH MY WIFE._*
I remember being forced to watch this movie at teen youth group being told “this is what a Christian marriage needs to be,” and then when I left the church, at a work secret Santa I got this movie as my gift lol
@ many ideas were planted into my by this film. I think the most harmful one was the idea that because of god you have to stay in a place that isn't good for you. I remember that the first man I had intercourse with used this to convince me that I am married to him in the eyes of god (the whole Adam knew Eve and she became his wive thing). He then proceeded to bully me spiritually into staying with him. Sometimes it is better for people to break up, even if they are legitimately married. Caleb wasn't a good husband in this movie, this marriage isn't a good example of a healthy relationship. And yet this was used to teach me and my friends how a marriage should be. How a loving husband should act. How you should deal with problems in a relationship. This was the ultimate marriage goal. And it is bad.
Anneleen van Dyke god i’m sorry you went through that. i was raised an atheist and i’m genuinely floored at the messaging these evangelical films are steeped in, knowing full well they’re supposed to be turned to during hard times, positioned as ideals and watched as a family.
The film has bad theology and advice, and sadly, many churches also share these traits. Neither the husband nor the wife were behaving in ways that align with biblical marriage. Caleb should not be yelling, Catherine should not flirt with the doctor, and so forth. This movie is so bad, we don't even know how the relationship began and how it led to marriage.
Fun fact: They sold actual copies of The Love Dare as merch for this movie. Not-so-fun fact: I know this because I found one in my childhood home while cleaning it out. Good to know that my parents' marriage was secretly failing before I was even in middle school, I guess...
Hail Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen, First of her name, Queen of the Andels and of the First Men, Breaker of Chains, Freer of Men, Khaleesi, the Unburnt, The Mother of Dragons! *kneels in fealty*
I screamed yes throughout this whole video pretty much. I was raised on this Evangelical atmosphere, and it makes me feel so liberated to watch people break down their hypocrisies. Thank you ✌️❤️
I grew up with a pentecostalist mom and got regularly dragged along to their meetings, and there was definitely an air of the pastor or a visiting preacher using their sermons/speeches to defend themselves. I remember one revival tent meeting where the preacher spent literally 90 minutes interpreting some tongue-speaking woman's ramblings (which, in the pentecostalist context, comes directly from god) into a very specific speech about how we should not be so critical of god's servants (ie. pastors and preachers). Very convenient.
It's amazing how prevalent this "transactional" view of relationships is among Christians. Even liberal Christians who may not agree with the heirarchical ideas still act as though love can only be expressed through material gestures.
My dad accidently rented Fire Proof when I was little and we were laughing our butts off the whole time. But never mind that, those Artemis Fowl novels behind Maggie are giving me intense nostalgia.
Thank you for this deep dive into these films. I grew up in a church oriented home and could never articulate the obscurity of these creations. Also that Christmas movie uses the THRASHER magazine font for their title for extra edge
@Vlavitir glutginskiya yeah the communists who fought against monarchs, Islamic fundamentalism, and fascism across the world. Definitely the greatest evil.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya gender has never been a cornerstone. And being a cornerstone is not necessarily good. The subjugation of women and slavery were cornerstones of civilization for a long time
Jesus; "Its easier for a camel to fit into the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven." Evangelicals; "I need a new jet because there are demons in couch."
I sat in a Lutheran church and had to listen to the preacher describe how "the eye of the needle" was the name of a small gate in the wall of Jerusalem, so a camel could fit if they unpacked it. Literally the whole sermon, just "well actually what Jesus meant was it's fine to be rich it just requires some maneuvering. Hand around that basket, folks, contribute too." Wasn't some ultra-conservative megachurch either; this is just what modern christianity looks like.
@@cam4636 this "requires some maneuvering" interpretation is hilarious but sadly accurate and i will borrow it for future jokes if you don't mind. Pure gold i love it
@@cam4636 It's such a funny excuse because for one you can easily confirm that no such gate existed, we know what Jerusalem looked like at the time and no contemporary sources mention this. But also throughout the Bible Jesus always uses very clear metaphors and if he was referring to an actual physical location and not using symbolism he would have made that clear, or the character of Jesus in the Bible would. Also his attitude to rich people is very clear throughout and this is not the only example of him condemning him. Also this is the kind of shit that medieval Christians got right, there are tons of texts from monks criticizing contemporary lords or bishops for being too rich and pointing to the Bible for their justification. American Evangelicals literally are more gullible than medieval Christians, the guys who had no access to modern media of any kind.
I was forced to watch this movie multiple times as a kid, and I still can't get over how much this entire thing is infested with the idea of money. The Love Dare is an ACTUAL book you can buy. But it's even worse than that. The first time was made to watch this movie was as a family, the second was for a movie event. What is a movie event, you ask? The Kendrick Brothers sell movie events to churches and theaters. Basically, you watch the movie and take notes and discuss the film after viewing it. But in order to do these events, you have to buy a license. The license for this movie is $114 for a year. If Jesus knew about the Kendrick Brothers, he'd be in their church flipping the tables over.
"Love is definitely a feeling" The evangelical view of love is based on agápē/caritas. In the English translations of the bible it is written as 'love' but may be more accurately described as charity. It's self sacrifice despite feelings. Chesterton put it as "To love means loving the unlovable."
@@thomashester2 I get what the movie was trying to go for. Acting toward the benefit of others even when you are personally are not fond of them is not a bad thing. I would describe that as acting loving towards them. The problem is with how ham fisted the movie tried to display that. Kirk is an abusive arsehole. The wife was 100% right to leave. Evangelicals twist it like you should stay in a physically or emotionally abusive relationship.
@@poposterous236 love in terms of the concept of agápē doesn't rely on a personal fondness or dislike of someone. In ancient Greek there are another 3 words describing the concept of love. Their other concepts require a personal fondness. Edit: (there's more than another 3 but they have 4 main categories)
the whole time im watching this im just thinking how this is definitely at least 1 person's favorite movie, and how much that can say about a person. art is truly amazing in the best and worst of ways
I am not sure why but your videos are really easy to watch again and again. Very rewatchable! I have seen this video at least 5 times now hahaha. Love the channel
I made my own wife out of CASH DOLLARS
I'm mad at you because I made an out loud in front of other humans "Tee hee" sound when I laughed and now my veneer of cool will never recover.
ooh just like that episode of Spongebob where Plankton piloted a money themed robot called Cashina designed a humanoid android in the shape of dollar whom Krabs marries then anulls when its uncovered that it is a scheme by Plankton to gain control of the Krabby Patty secret formula.
GET OUT OF MY MIND!!!!!!!
That is very cash money of you.
C.R.E.A.M. build a wife
Dolla dolla bill, y'all.
The "Wanna see?" pop-up actually leads to that woman's Craigslist ad where she's selling her boat.
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LOL! You win the internet today. :)
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Prosperity gospel is such a weirdly american thing. It´s like one step removed from actually worshiping money and the free market ad deities.
It's the inevitable result of conflating even the most mild critiques of US capitalism with the state atheism policy of the USSR. Limits on free enterprise = socialism = oppression of Christians.
Isn't it a heresy?
It's not a heresy in the technical sense (i.e. there are no condemnations of the doctrine by an ecumenical council, nor has a splinter group formed as a result of the teaching), but it is routinely called a heresy even in Evangelical circles.
That's not to say that a teacher of the prosperity gospel can't be a heretic in the strict meaning of the term. The modalist heresy (which teaches that God consists of only one person who performs three roles, in contrast to the three-person monotheism of orthodox Nicene Christianity) is popular in some branches of Pentecostalism, for instance. Creflo Dollar has been called a heretic on both fronts.
It's doubly ridiculous since Luther got angry at catholic church because of exactly the same reasons. And then the contrreformation came so now, at least ideologically, Catholics are less concerned with wealth than some Protestants
@@MAMoreno Christian's: gay people shouldn't get married and the Bible should be taught in schools!
Normal people (including noncrazy Christian's lol): actually that's a terrible idea and it's unconstitutional
Christian's: you're all gay atheist communists who need to be deported before you make us into a marx-muslim worshipping 1940s hitler Germany ripoff that kills Christian's like it's a national passtime nation!
Hi, I'm a service technician for home medical equipment. A hospital bed with an air mattress and a wheelchair shouldn't cost more than $2400 to buy outright. And if they have insurance, the cost would be even lower. While that hurts his boat fund, he's still got 20 grand if he buys everything outright. And I refuse to believe shelves, landscaping, and door paint costs 20k. He's just a prick.
Good info. Thanks
But god wants eggshell white, so it shall be!
the reason the moms medical bills weren't brought up is because christians believe you can pray sickness away...
And am I the only one who thinks that if a boat costs their entire savings, he shouldn't be getting one? You need insurance for it, maintenance, gas, a truck & trailer to tow it to and from the water, etc... If you've bought a car, you'll know that just acquiring the car itself is only half the battle.
That's a great point. Door paint + landscaping + shelves...maybe a couple grand? Is this supposed to be a relatable plot point, weighing the cost of someone's medical needs and a reasonable, relatively inexpensive quality-of-living set of improvements vs an extravagant, savings-draining, ongoing and completely unnecessary and selfish expense as something that a regular man struggles with (and should struggle with)?
One of my good friends was having marital problems and her and her husband saw this as a way to help their marriage. Over 10 years later, she's happily single and feels better.
Very happy for your friend!!! 👏👏👏
You had us in the first half. . . Not gonna lie. . .
I know this is years later but if you don’t mind me asking, how did it go? Did the relationship appear better for a bit and then the cracks began to show again? Did the relationship just not improve at all? Did they respect the effort but decide they weren’t right for each other? Was it actually a terrible marriage that one side attempted to “fix” with this? I’m just curious how something like this plays out in real life
Love this
@TheOtherBoobJustDropped He ended up having an affair and getting the woman pregnant. That was all she told me but there were other more personal things she could say, I could tell.
It always bothered me as a kid how much he hates his mom for no reason. She was really sweet.
This is why I question Christian women, but most women of faith. Most of them make women secondary in life even to their male children and yet the source of most teachings and perpetuating faith.
@@SabrinaRina what the hell are you talking about?
If you didn't grow up with a "sweet" hardline conservative evangelical mother, trust me, it's fucking hard not to snap when their solution to everything is just feelings and trust god and shit. No critical thinking, no logic, no helpful advice, just diet racism and parroting religious beliefs as if the bible in its current form was handed by Jesus himself to George Washington followed by the phrase "Christianity is the AMERICAN way."
Being disrespectful is one thing, but having a conversation about anything at all with people like that is just an internal eye-roll fest. Trust me, I dealt with it for 18 years.
@@Oxideist I agree that it's excruciating to deal with sometime, especially if you prefer logical over emotional answers. However, what you describe is not something to hate your mom over. I'm not defending their lack of critical/independent thinking, but I am saying that it's not bad enough to warrant your child hating you.
Wait...Albany FD? Which Albany?!?!? Albany NY?!?! MY ALBAN-....oh...Georgia. yeah that makes sense. -_-
I feel like it should say something that the only time Kirk Cameron is a convincing actor is when he is implicitly threatening his wife. Like that scene felt way too real.
woolywubbs spindeckle Agreed. He’s garbage at using his body in every other scene, but when yelling at his wife, he acted confidently and with his whole body 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wonder if that's why his real wife wasn't his wife in this movie, because he knew how she would react when he yelled at her. I have PTSD, not from domestic violence or anything but I can tell you right now that if anyone yells at me like he yelled at her I would have a fucking screaming panic attack, I'd pass out on the floor. And if his wife reacted with actual fear someone on set might have cared. He's a terrible actor and that was the first time anything he said in this movie felt real.
maybe because he like any other person can relate to conflict situations but isn't really behind the rest of the ridiculous mess of a movie? But it pays his bills and he isn't a teen-star anymore...
@@ApsaraMenaka he was a shitty actor throughout the entire movie. He wasn't a teen in _this_ movie. It was the only scene that felt real, it seemed like he _wasnt_ acting.
@@radiatorbacon5239 the fact that you feel the need to point out that he wasn't a teen in this movie shows me that you missunderstood what I was trying to say. maybe because my first language isn't english. but I also don't know how to say it differently. So I just am sorry for not being able to say it differently. We do agree on the fact that he is a bad actor though... but I probably have other reasons to think so than you.
nobody tell him that hot chocolate originated with native South Americans who y'know..... weren't Christian
Wait isn't it from Mexico
@@notnotkavi Yup - the earliest example of a chocolate beverage was among the Olmecs, and it was consumed by almost all pre-colonial Mexicans. Possibly the only thing that would upset a right-wing evangelical more than the idea of it being invented by pagans...
Native north americans, in the actual sense of the term, since Mexico is part of North America, just like Canada.
The Aztec Emperor Montezuma drank loads of it (with Chile pepper).
It's comments like this that make me glad to be Tejano.
"Why do bad things happen to good people?" "Wouldn't you like to know, weatherboy."
Hey I got a question for you atheist since that’s exactly what this channel is all about I just want to come at one time actually I commented twice so I’m gonna call Matt one more I don’t wanna ask you simply do you have kids and if you do have kids when your child ask you if he can touch the hot stove do you allow them to the point is this we cars our own problems we caused the sins in our own life and those sins caused death and destruction before you go Thanking for a moment that I am wrong about this think about history you guys claim about the whole global phenomenon known as global warming think about global warming for a moment and tell me that I’m wrong or if I’m wrong about that why would I be wrong about something else because deep down inside we all belong to the Lord and if you want to continue to fuss and fight and kick and scream all the way to your death that’s your choice as for me and my house we’re going to serve the Lord and secular movies do exactly the same thing you’re saying this movie does so before you go blaming anybody else on your problems you’re the cause of those problems you your self if you want good things to happen in your life you have to make those things happen I’ve been a believer I’ve seen a lot of things in my life and 39 years old I was abused from the time I was 7-14years of age and no I didn’t need To be told that God existed I knew he existed So who do you blame when that child gets burned on the stove do you blame yourself are you blame a child My guess is you’re not old enough to make that decision
Kid's sketchy
@@honestfishingdillow5088 Don't want to be mean here, you surely have a good question in there, but try using commas and paragraphs. Is very hard to understand you. Cheers.
@@honestfishingdillow5088
Holy Walls of Text, Batman!
Seriously, did they not teach you basic punctuation in school?
No Kirk, the Druids didn't give us hot chocolate, that would have been the Mayans, you sanctimonious narcissist.
Lol 😝
Deep in the jungle.. druids formed a dark circle, chanting incantations over a bubbling cauldron of... hot cocoa bean juice lol
Failure to basic research makes my ass twitch. HUGE pet peeve of mine.
@@KD-ou2np Funny, my British history prof never mentioned that. 🤣
Wait, is Kirk here? Thanks for giving us pedophile Leo. Progressives love Pedo Leo, he environments well. 😂 😆😂😮😢😅😅😅
That scene with the mother and daughter talking about who gets to marry the father felt like the anti bechtel test.
And like it was trying to get the audience to throw up.
But they're talking about a guy! It still doesn't count!
@@eyesofthecervino3366 hence the "anti". A test to see how hard you can fail the Bechtel test.
@@willowarkan2263
Oh, I gotcha. I thought you meant it like, "I threw this scene in here and now the Bechtel test can't get me."
Yeah. Yeah, 100%.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 i suppose it kinda does that by failing so hard the test takers resign in protest.
My parents attend an evangelical church and theyd make me attend before I moved out. I remember one of the last few sermons I went to was about relationships and money. The pastor said something along the lines of "the man is the head of the household and the finances" and I leaned over to my mother and whispered that this would never work in our house. And she whispered back that we'd all be homeless with dad in charge.
Irish comedian Dylan Moran just did a standup bit that reminds me of that funny exchange with your mom. Disregard this if you want, but I thought I’d link to it. The relevant bit happens around 4:00 :)
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@@Emiliapocalypse Dylan Moran is one one my favorite comedians (his show Black Books is a hidden gen) and I laughed so hard at that set you linked too! Thank you so much for that!!
Heard a Mega-church pastor near me deliver a passionate sermon about how Colgate, like the original Colgate became rich because he paid a certain percentage of income to his church. He was able to preach it in such a way that he got a standing ovation.
@@Ojo10 Nothing makes me laugh harder than the "stop paying for indulgences!" religions turning around and saying "pay 10% or more of your income to the church" with no irony.
Martha saves
Please do a 2-hour video about the film Christian Mingle except only about the single scene where the girl attends a family lunch at the restaurant "Steak and Cake" where the characters are placed on a stark white background while being served steaks and chocolate cakes that look indistinguishable.
The guys over at the God Awful Movies Podcast have covered "Christian Mingle" and about 150+ other Christian movies, if you're interested on their take.
James Mitchell holy crap, there’s more than 150 of these horrible movies?!
@@philbydee yep. The God Awful Movie guy's are up to episode 211 and still going strong.
@Ren Helene or the one where she leaves a Christian for dummies book out face up with a wide open suitcase full of what I think was just pillow cases if I'm correct. Maybe that was another scene...
The bible reloaded also did it and a load of other bad christian movies
I remember when this came out, and mostly laughing about the stunt-kiss thing with his wife, and thinking how weird it was they didn't just cast Cameron's actual wife, who is also an actor, and whose entire career has essentially been playing opposite Kirk Cameron, as his wife in this. As if the role of "woman who comes to sincerely love Kirk Cameron" was outside of her range as an actor or something.
I bet she would've demanded an actual paycheck, whereas this lady they could get for free
At the time, his real wife was in her mid 40s, while his movie wife was in her mid 20s.
Kirk can’t be onscreen married to some old broad. Ageism at its Christian finest.
Let's be real, no one wants to see his wife's real time emotional breakdown as he yells at her like he keeps saying he wouldn't do again.
iirc it was actually a ploy by the church to get the actress (the head pastor's daughter[which, given some of the weird daddy stuff in this movie, yikes])other acting gigs
I didn’t know his wife was an actor
My favorite bit was where Kirk was engrossed in a book about boats, called, what else, "BOATS" which appeared to be a giant children's book.
"Executive producer: God" I know who I'm putting down as a co-author in my next group assignment.
"Mommy, I want to marry Daddy." AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
You know, the mom's response actually weirds me out even more. I mean, kids accidentally say inappropriate stuff all the time (although imagining Kirk Cameron writing that line for a little girl to read is just... eww), but then the mom doesn't say, "Honey, that's not appropriate," or something remotely normal. She says they can't get married because, "He's MY husband," AS IF THAT WAS THE ONLY ISSUE! Like, why would you even...
I love when I see you tubers I like in the comment sections of other you tubers I like.
@@RCSDominoToppling Kids don't view things the same way as adults, especially stuff like marriage and affection, since they know hardly anything about sexuality or adult social consepts in general. It's like when kids are thought to be damaged if they see boobs in a movie or something, it's just adults projecting
@@limalepakko6074 but that isn't a kid talking. It's an adult writing. It's a man writing the fantasy where his kid admires him so much that she would say that.
@@MiloKuroshiro *no.... NOOOO*
(Joshua and the promised land reference)
HOW COULD YOU LEAVE OUT THE PART WHERE HE DEStROYS HIS COMPUTER TO PROVE HIS LOVE lmao that was the best part. He couldn't just block his old porn sites and restrict himself, he had to do something grandiose like taking a baseball bat to his desktop
ugh my grandmother made me watch this movie in lieu of giving me a talk on how to be a good husband and my mom and I were like ". . . this is disturbing and bad. Why is Kirk Cameron so cringe?"
"okay god NO MORE SINNING"
that wasn't a "grand gesture" only another proof that he has anger management issues 🙁
@@moustik31 that too, but iirc he sure thought it would look mighty grand to his wife
@@vrixphillips "iirc"?
"It is easier for a Camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24
Kirk Cameron is possibly one of the most repulsive people in existence. Up there with Joel "You can't have a bed in my megachurch during a hurricane" Osteen.
Omg i just posted the same quote. I should have scrolled further down but the hypocrisy got to me very early in the vid 🤣 great minds think alike!
The nicest thing I can say about Kirk Cameron as that he probably isn’t a human trafficker, or a genocidal dictator.
@@solidsteelcobra that's pretty generous of you. The nicest thing i can say is he's possibly not the relogious equivalent of Hitler...maybe
Funny thing about that quote, I've heard a religious right politician, Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, seriously argue that some translations say the needle is actually a large hoop for grains and that it could be argued that wealthy people would have no problem getting in. It was utter nonsense but it speaks volumes about how manipulative evangelicals are with rhetoric. They'll waffle on what the bible said about greed, diet, tattoos, polygamy, slavery, etc. but take vague quotes as clear-cut law on other issues.
@@joshuatxuk jesus was an anti capitalist rebel but so many churches forget this. I haven't heard that before Joshuatxuk and although it worries the poop out of me that people are teaching that i appreciate you mentioning it
"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." Matthew 6:24
That small cut of him yelling at his wife after slamming the cabinet? Genuinely terrifying. I’ve never been abused by an SO and it still chilled me. Never ever should media encourage people to “save” those relationships.
Yep, I remember that being rather scary because anyone who's been in an abusive environment *knows* that rage. I remember the directors having to justify why they put that scene in because it, understandably, startled some folks. I don't remember what their justification was, but IRL that should be pack-my-bags-tonight behavior.
And he tried vilifying her throughout a good chunk of the movie and play victim
That whole thing is truly terrifying
yup but according to conservative christians, divorce is bad as marriage is ordained by god, so "abandoning" a marriage is akin to going against god's word. insane and messed up i know
Better to put in a hospital then to seek a happy relationship. Christian logic at it's finest
Matthew 19:24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."
I forget where I read this, it was in the 80s, but in some fundamentalist tract I read the following:
It would seem that in some ancient biblical walled city there was a very narrow gate named the "eye of the needle." Apparantly it was possible for a camel to squeeze it's way through.
You can see where this is going, I'm sure.
@@unrulysimian3897 yeah, that's a common rationalization that I've been told was also taught to someone in Catholic school. Unfortunately for them there's no evidence for that assertion.
"When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, '"Then who can be saved?"' And looking at them Jesus said to them, '"With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."'
Matthew 19:25-26
I'm just gonna leave the rest of this passage and its context here for you. :)
@@haydenmchone1871 maybe you are not trying to provide a counterpoint to "the rich are being sinful and therefore barred from heaven" but in case you are: tithing, charity and sharing among the community because you love your neighbor is enough to keep someone from becoming rich. If you're being godly, you will NEVER approach "rich" in comparison to your neighbors.
Jeremiah 8:8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?"
my mom had the book and movie years ago when my parents marriage was falling apart. let me just say that now that I know the content of it I see why my mom kept putting up with such terrible treatment. Honestly bonechilling
Woof what an awful and completely intended consequence of these ideas and books
Yeah, my parents also went through a lot of Christian meetings and studies to try to save their marriage and it was SO abusive. It always blames the woman for not "submitting" to her husband enough i.e. for having any smidgeon of control over her own life and actions. It was to the extent where my dad refused to keep going because he felt the messaging was trying to turn him into an abuser. It also deeply reinforces gender roles with statements like "women should be homemakers because they have a special crook in their elbow for holding babies." WTF
didn't expect anyone to see this comment lol i just want to share that my mom is happily remarried and has moved on from the ideas taught within this trash book/film and my father has also improved as a person and has at least recognized the harm he did. just wanted to put a bit of a lighter note and set an example to anyone fooled by these cash grab abusive books that these people are taking advantage of your problems to scam you out of money and that your life and happiness is more important that whatever the fuck kirk cameron has to say ❤
@@missmelodies52 I really need to know what the heck the elbow crook thing means. Like physically? Or metaphorically???
Arran Mara You’ll feel better if I say metaphorically, but it probably meant literally.
The couple at the end of Gone Girl have a better marriage.
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I laughed so hard at that I started coughing.
Honestly the stuff the wife brings up in Fire Proof like land scaping and painting the back door are more important than a boat. They own a house and that comes with the responsibility of maintaining it. Also none of those things cost nearly as much as a boat. If you can afford a boat then you can afford all that shit.
Yeah that's what I thought as well, obviously maintaining your house is significantly more important than making an expensive purchase for no practical reasons because you think it will be fun. Especially when it's a fucking boat, that's like the archetypal bad financial decision because they have so many costs associated in maintaining them.
Yeah, you could probably do all that stuff for under $200. It's more of an indictment about how lazy Kirk is that he won't do basic stuff around the house or at least hire someone to do it.
Right! And let’s say they live in a HOA. Not getting issues like that maintained could mean they get fined, or that the HOA takes legal action against them. So getting those issues taken care of matters way more than a boat!
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Best two days in a boat owner's life are the day they buy the boat and the day they sell it. As I've heard, at least.
“Love is a decision.” Ugh. That’s what my family AND my marriage counselor told me before I filed for divorce. It was so crappy because I was miserable and they basically said I wasn’t trying hard enough to love this man who was making me miserable.
I thanked them for the advice and filed anyway. I’m happier one year post-divorce than I have been in years.
I personally believe love is an action. If you are abusive I don't care about your feelings, you clearly aren't being loving. If love is a decision, then we don't have to make it though so that's good
Isn't it funny that when it's going badly, "love is a decision," and when you say "then I decide I don't wanna do this anymore" suddenly it's not a decision you're allowed to make
Oh god, this brings me back to a scene in doctor who where a character says "love is a promise" and I'm suddenly questioning that entire plotline.
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Love is a decision you are supposed to make when you make your marriage vows. If you're not willing to keep them, don’t make the vows.
@@Don-Scrima it’s a good thing that life and people never change and that they freeze in ice after you say “I do.” Or did you miss the misery part?
Evangelicals: God wants you to give us money!
The Bible: For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (1 Timothy 6:10)
You mean, prosperity gospel teachers. They are definitely out there, just like you will find hypocrites, liars, and fakers in every profession/industry. However, true followers of Jesus Christ know that the love of money is the root of all evil and that God comes first always. However, that doesn't make money itself bad. It's how you use it and whether or not you worship it.
Ah but can't you see, the evangelical preachers are only taking all that evil, evil money from you in an effort to save your soul from the temptation of having it! Because of their innate purity and connection to God, they are immune to the perils of covetousness. Or something along those lines, plus God REALLY wants them to have that third house he said so last week.
@@t.estable3856 I mean it's nearly impossible to preach without an Escalade.
Priests need dat money, they really do, in order to get a new private jet, I mean, do missionary work for The Lord!
@@indumatipngtuber2790 Oh, they'll do missionary work, bet your ass on it. All those poor souls that need savin', all those pockets to pick.
As a pastor in an evangelical church, let me casually lean against a cross and say that you are right. "Christian" films like these aren't interested in exploring the actual human experience or the actual divine mystery (that, as you said, comes down to faith, not fact... at least not any facts that we can actually verify). They serve as propaganda, preying on our fears and uncertainty, pretending to offer hope and comfort when really it just makes us better consumers of the Faith Industry. 'Cause don't forget there was an actual Love Dare book that you could purchase so that you too could be just like KC and "save your marriage" just like he did, without having to actually confront your own ego, toxic masculinity, or all the ways that you illegitimize and undermine your partner through culturally-endorsed mysogyny. Whoops! Got a little snarky there... sorry! For reals though, Dudes, let's fix our hearts. Great vid, MMF, as always.
@Michael Freed You have pasted the same text in a response thread below this one. Where else?
@Michael Freed Then you fancy yourself an educator? How generous.
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@Michael Freed First: I'm being indeed something of an asshole here. Second: what I wrote doesn't undermine "the importance" what you said, but the verbal violence and references to physical harm do. Third: nobody FUCKING OWES YOU A DEBATE.
these Upward Sparks I know what you mean. And try criticizing these movies for exactly that in evangelical circles and you’ll see a massive negative reaction.
To the point that I said I mostly liked a movie (it mostly explored faith and it’s impacts across a broad set of characters) but didn’t like its weirder elements (characters coming back from the dead) and got chewed out for it.
Spiritual abuse? I didn't know that there was a technical term for growing up Catholic!
catholics aint special. nearly every religion is abusive.
Man! I was baptized catholic yet none of them mess with my life, my money, feelings or my own grownup chosen spirituality! 🤣
And Baptist
You guys don't even know how overtly crazy pentecostal churches are. Not that it's a competition, but they take all the other stuff and add literally screaming in gibberish to it.
@@GamesFromSpace i honestly credit seeing someone "speak in tongues" at a pentecostal church (euphemistically named Celebration Church) as a teenager with getting me to look at my religious upbringing with a more skeptical eye. It creeped me out because I could tell she wasn't speaking in a real language like the Pentecost story in the bible, but everyone around me acted like it was real. I could see how the whole service was designed to create this heightened emotional state to prime us for something supernatural to happen. I felt like I was watching a bunch of junkies getting their fix for the week.
OH MY GODDDD!!!! When I left my first husband, BECAUSE HE WAS ACTING EXACTLY LIKE KIRK CAMERONS’ CHARACTER!!! My evangelical mom begged me to watch this movie to give me inspiration to “save my marriage”. 👁👄👁
I keep coming back to that "I made the decision to love your mother whether she deserves it or not." There is SO much awful/horrible/evil in that one statement. So much toxic masculinity, so much stalking/abuse, so much women-as-property... it makes my skin crawl.
Because love shouldn't be based on whether or not the other person deserves anything?
Just trying to make sure I understand your point.
@@JP2GiannaT It's the use of the word "deserve." This statement implies that there are moment where Kirk's mom doesn't deserve love, but Dad gives it anyway. Which is pretty abhorrent.
However, it's clearly supposed to be working as a theological nod: a core tenant of many flavors of Christianity is that humans do not deserve God's love, but he is kind enough to love us anyway.
This isn't the same as "sometimes you won't feel loving every day, but it's still on you to act in a loving manner." That's good parenting advice, friendship advice, relationship advice...assuming those are overall healthy friendships and relationships.
@@JP2GiannaT because he's the one who decides that she "doesn't deserve" love. And he's granting his unworthy, undeserving wife "love" like he's doing her a favour. A lot of controlling relationship involve one partner acting like everything they do is a sacrifice for the other, or like they're a generous person giving love to someone even though they don't deserve it
That's exactly how pickup artists operate, undermining their target's self worth and then presenting themselves as someone who'll magnanimously look past those flaws, aren't you lucky, nobody else would put up with you etc. Sounds a lot like that mindset
Initial thought for me was "is this a poorly expressed notion of unconditional love?" but it's not poorly expressed. the implication of his partner being undeserving makes it a twisted version of that notion.
Y’all are retarded. This movie has a great message
I understand you don't want to know why Kirk Cameron is famous, but you might want to look into how he got his love interested fired off Growing Pains because he found out she had been in Playboy. Oh, and then he married his character's next love interest in real life (the woman who was doing the stunt kissing).
Thank you! I was trying to remember the name of the show, but all I could remember was Alan Thicke's name.
Yeah, KC made the rest of the cast miserable after he was "born again".
I didn't think it was possible to like Cameron less.
Yeah. I remember finding out about all this LONG after Disney aired Growing Pains reruns for awhile.
i thought for the longest time Kirk Cameron was the child star that grew up to work with *It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia*
still manages to work with more insanely narcissistic characters than the gang, but boy was i wrong
14:31 Did I just hear Kirk "Famous for Masturbating to Boats" Cameron say the word 'druids' outside of a DnD context?
MOGAN!!! what? really? Lmao
Well, he probably fancies himself a real life paladin, so it tracks.
I grew up evangelical. Was homeschooled, went to church 3 times a week, then went to a church school, was taught creationism. Your analysis really put into words some of the biggest issues I had with the way I was raised. Ironically I have my dad to thank for showing me that that way of living is whack. I loved this video, definitely subbed. We love analytical thought!
"He could just be curious about the mouthfeel." How does Natalie find me everywhere I go? She's a witch! XD
I was thinking the same thing, I’m kind of scared... or is God trying to tell me something?
Luke Carlson he’s trying to tell you about the mouthfeel
Get the streamers! Gotta make sure them fuckers have a tether so they don't go fly'n off and creatin' mischievousness...
Safety first... then team work!
I caught that too!
8:30 What kind of porn user doesn't have a regular site that they use? Everyone knows that clicking those pop-ups is a good way to get a virus.
Maybe malware is his kink
@@Dawnbreakerr He likes to be digitally abused.
@@Dawnbreakerr gimme that spyware daddy
In my opinion, they're probably trying to show people that too many porn addicts don't care about some of the consequences of their actions. In other words, they just want their sexual fixes.
It’s a PG movie. They can’t show actual porn but *you* can use your context clues.
Funny how Kirk's acting is only really convincing in the scene where he is yelling in his wife's face. Like, he legit evokes some bad childhood memories for me in that moment. JUST SOMETHING I NOTICED ABOUT TOTALLY NORMAL KIRK CAMERON WHO HAS A TOTALLY COOL RELATIONSHIP WITH WOMEN.
Also, thank you for Kirk Cameron: Boat Cranker. Looking forward to this series!
Same. That was really uncomfortable to watch for me, also for bad childhood memories.
DEFINITELY onto something here. 195% chance Kirk Cameron has screamed at his wife like that on multiple occasions.
Omg yes
Yeah, felt the same way. That was my whole childhood with my parents, and then me in my teenage years before I got anger management and realized what a douche I was.
I think that had more to do with the director. He's not that bad of an actor but he's not leading man material
As someone who grew up in the homeschool realm and spent high school and college in deeply fundamental circles, it was harder than I expected hear you confront the movie's mantra that love isn't a feeling but a decision and feelings aren't trustworthy. I"m here to tell you that sitting under that ideology during the impressionable teenaged years still deeply affects my ability to deal with and incorporate feelings into my decisions and daily life. I've been away from that ideology and community for a long time, so I was surprised at my immediately defensive reaction to your criticism of that idea, and then really sad at how many people continue to build their lives around ignoring their feelings and convincing themselves that love has nothing to do with feelings. It is a deeply influential and toxic ideology, and I'm glad you made this video. I definitely hope a fluke of the algorithm puts it in front of some eyeballs that might need it.
I think it is important to remember that both actions and feelings play a part in a healthy relationship, but they are separate and two distinguishable aspects. The fact that I love(feeling) my husband is what leads to me putting in the hard work to maintain a good relationship. But, I agree with you, telling people to ignore their feelings and whatnot is a horrible, horrible message. Our therapist puts a lot of emphasis on the fact that our feelings of love for each are clearly there and strong, and the force behind the work that we're putting into our relationship, but either feelings or actions without the other aren't going to bring about a healthy relationship. I wish you all the best in your journey of healing
If you are continuing to let your childhood programming affect you, that's your own damn fault. It is not enough to acknowledge the problem. Now you need to do the work.
Also, it's not your fundie parent's fault that you are so out of touch with your own emotional reactions that you can't take them into account while making decisions. It's not your fundie pastor's fault. It's YOUR fault. DO THE WORK. GO TO THERAPY. Do something to clear the karma you were handed at birth. No one is going to do it for you.
@@dianeaishamonday9125 holy crap chill out. The op never said they're not trying to work on themselves. If you want someone to feel like you care about them getting help then don't be so nasty about it.
@Diane Aisha Monday
Diane Aisha Monday you’re a deeply unpleasant person. I hope you keep your terrible advice to yourself next time. All you’re doing is dumping on someone in a vulnerable place. Whether you’re a Christian or not, I don’t think you value empathy. Maybe YOU need to get some therapy so you stop blowing gaskets at strangers online.
"countless, anonymous daddies" Grindr wish they'd thought of that byline
I feel if this movie was not religious, it would STRONGLY encourage the wife to divorce her toxic husband.
The whole "Christians are anti-science or anti-rationality" is painting with a pretty wide (and misinformed) brush considering (for one) that a Christian (Sir Francis Bacon) was an inventer and proponent of the scientific method.
So somehow, the wife who's actually at the end of receiving the abuse, is completely ignored and dismissed.
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Of course! That's the whole religious right-wing way of thinking - the woman is seen as nothing, and her thoughts, feelings and even general well-being warrant little to no consideration.
@@denisemayosky1955 I know this may be rather random, but aren't there usually signs/red flags during the dating and before marriage? I mean if the guy's already a twat (like Kirk's character in the movie), why marry him?
@@williamho2940 You would think. I guess if they think God "called" them together... Seriously. My husband and I came from a church like that where couples would swear up and down that they were called to be together, even though they admitted they couldn't stand each other on their own. They had a big wedding that was so "anointed", they'd have kids, then next thing you hear, they got divorced and hated each other again. True story! Admittedly, my husband and I felt called to be together, but we'd already established a foundation of friendship and camaraderie whereas others just seemed to jump in blindly cuz they were "told to". It was weird!
@@denisemayosky1955 I could be wrong, but the wife is a doctor at the hospital. To me, this means 2 things; first she doesn't need Kirk, financially speaking. Secondly, this means if she chose, she could leave and be absolutely fine. Supporting her ailing father may be more difficult, but still probably better than submitting herself hostage by taking his support. Fact is, the husband in the movie could use the fact of him providing support as something against her...
"Did I offend you by walking in the door this morning?" Kirk, you offend everyone by walking into rooms. Go away.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya It's always weird to me when people find the idea of fighting for social justice to be something to sneer at.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya "normal nice guy" I wasn't aware that creationist grifters were normal or nice.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya It's so tedious and idiotic when folks like you continue to characterize the mostly peaceful protests as riots, and the protesters as terrorists. It's not just patently inaccurate, it's childish. And continuing to rely on diminishing fossil fuels while denigrating renewable energy sources (as Trump and his brain-dead followers do) is virtually suicidal to society in the long run.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya Ah, the old "I'll post a link to the kind of nutcase videos that inform my far-right crypto-fascist worldview as a strategy to make a non-point". Yawn.
“You’re an NPC! Trump2020 GoTo line 10;”
As a Christian, Kirk Cameron's brand if Christianity angers me so much. If you do Saving Christmas, I'll have to skip that one. Thinking about that movie is a recipe for a bad day.
As a podcast who has done that movie, I agree. It was THE WORST. Watching this video about Fireproof before we do our review on it has us groaning. One of our friends says it's "not that bad" but after seeing that screaming match in the kitchen, I don't trust them lol
@@feministcritique9978 I don't envy you, but I respect y'all for going toe to toe with Cameron's crap. Prosperity-gospel is a grotesque mockery of Christianity, and it's grasp on American Christians makes me feel sick.
@@miraprime474 Yeah. I have to work on uploading our podcast episodes to TH-cam (We're kinda new to this particular version and trying to grow our audience while also doing exclusive vids, but my god is that time consuming for my co host and I and our busy schedules) but I still have nightmares about that one. Honestly though, the worst Evangelical movie that we've reviewed was Old Fashioned. It's a super unhealthy look at two people in a relationship, was the Christian alternative to 50 Shades of Grey and yet manages to be 1000xs worse in toxicity. And as I have family who are super evangelical Christians, it really irritates the hell out of me that so many of them gobble up Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen and Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham when they're the worst kind of preacher.
@@feministcritique9978 I wish you the best. I have a couple failed podcasts under my belt, so I'm familiar with that struggle. I don't recommend listening to them (I thought too much of myself then), but they're on my channel. And I definitely understand the frustration of watching family members gobble up the messages of folks like Meyer and Osteen.
The Ska Christmas carols and creepy murder Santa will haunt your dreeeeeeeamssss~
Why is nobody talking about the mouthfeel!?
I Like Google Plus this ^^
Because all the fake woke NB's chased Natalie off of Twitter.
I work in food marketing, and the word 'mouthfeel' comes up _all_ the time. It makes work a lot more interesting.
@@welwitschia Ever in reference to wieners and clams?
THEY'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THE MOUTHFEEL NOW!
No wonder Kirk doesn't want to talk to his mother about his problems. She sympathizes with his wife! Thinking about her needs? What good is that gonna do???
Actually, he did not want to talk to his mother cos he felt she did not have moral standing to talk to him since she was going to leave his father. It was later the father confessed to kirk's character that it was actually him (the father) that wanted to divorce his mom. Kirk felt remorseful and went to apologize for his misunderstanding.
It's alarming how well this movie portrays the cycle of abuse without realizing it. The abuser abuses and goes too far which causes the victim to wise up and decide to leave. The abuser then freaks out because they're losing control of their victim, so they lovebomb (er, love dare?) the victim with fake, but grand, gestures of affection until the victim decides the abuser is sorry and really loves them after all and comes back.
All we're missing is Fireproof II where Kirk escalates and begins beating her when he discovers that he's still married to a human being and not an automaton, only to have *yet another* come-to-Jesus, and maybe a part III for good measure where she leaves him and he kills her in the first ten minutes of the film, only to be *finally* redeemed by a good, properly submissive Christian woman who marries him in prison and convinces some horrifying Republican governor to commute his sentence.
Of course the women was behaving perfectly in this movie she wasn’t emotionally holding him at all.
holy shit... these flicks really write themselves. yikes.
spot on analysis.
Without realising or actually giving clear pointers on how to abuse? It's scary how natural this course of action is framed as.
Congratulations; you have straw manned the plot of the entire film.
Except in the context of this movie, none of that happens. His heart really does change, eats dirt, and makes no excuses for his behavior after changing. None of the abusive behaviors are trivialized, or praised.
When her eyebrows line up with her bangs it’s like when the DVD video logo hits the corner
Jajajaja. It was my first observation.
Whoa you’re right 😮
Damn. I didn't know there was a term for economic abuse. Growing up in an evangelical household I knew it was grimy how my family treated money, but that really gives me the language to talk about it. Thanks!
Natalya Keane My family punisher me for accidentally dropping my baby sister’s toy at age 7 by forcing me to log how much I cost them for two months and work it off as a literal indentured slave. They even took away my clothes for some of that. I had to wear a clown costume they found at a garage sale for _three days_.
My dad loved this sort of film.
TheTroutyness that’s really messed up. I’m sorry your family did that to you :\
"Put away your crystals!"
Buh.. but ... they're so sparkly
I love crystals. They are beautiful. #stophatingcrystals
Isn't the third commandment "don't take the Lord's name in vain"? Like do not claim to speak for God?
Well another commandment is Do NoT BeAr FaLsE TesTiMonY!
Don't be silly, we all know that only applies to saying Oh my God
I think that's been broken for centuries ever since the first Pope 🤣
Is, uh...that an actual interpretation of that commandment? When I was growing up in the faith I was taught that that meant not to use God or any of his other names as a curse word...
@@ryanahr2267 I was raised in the faith too and learned the same interpretation you have, but now that I'm grown, claiming to speak for God in order to benefit personally seems so much worse than cussing
Also I think it speaks volumes about this films intended audience that the "relatable couple" has money problems like
"re-do the landscaping" and "buy a boat"
like what jumped out to me when I saw that scene in theaters was: "man I wish we had hardwood floors"
"I wanna marry daddy" A Woody Allen picture starring Scarlett Johansson as Woody Allen
Kate Winslet as Woody Allen!
Miguel Holguin OMG!!!!
I think Louis ck already made this
@@zahrahkhalid6333 aaahahahahha omg ew so true
There is an actual song called "I Want to Marry Daddy" by Patch the Pirate, a Evangelical children's entertainer. It is so creepy.
$33'500'000 domestic
$17'000 rest of the world.
That shows pretty precisely where there is an audience for evangelicals.
I am confused by your use of ' instead of , in those numbers.
weirdly I saw this in a night bus in peru
My favourite insane Christian movie is Leap. It’s an apocalyptic parkour action thriller where nobody is any good at parkour. And it’s beautiful.
Raw this sounds like an SNL sketch 😂
That sounds amazing*. (*hilariously bad) Never base your parkour confidence on faith alone! A parody of that movie could be called SPLAT
I kind of want to see this now.
Did y'all see Sunday School Musical?
Sounds like Left Behind.
i went to christian schools, they showed us this movie over a week and made us write essays every day about the section we watched and what we learned about god and love. this was 6th grade
They should have just showed you Veggie Tales. They are cinematic masterpieces compared to the messages in this film.
Lady, I'm a very angry, confused, depressed Mormon. Thank you for everything you've said. I need to see the world from outside spaces to figure out how I really feel. I am not a science denier, and people shame me for it. I'm so tired of feeling shamed and inadequate. Thank you again, Maggie.
I used to be an angry, confused, depressed Mormon. I had my name removed from the records in 2016 and have been happier. Sometimes still angry, confused, or depressed, but no longer surrounded by people who tell me it's a sign of spiritual inadequacy or that I'm not trying hard enough to not have mental illnesses. It gave me permission to explore myself and come out as nonbinary and start transition.
So I hope you do whatever feels right for you. Leaving was right for me. It didn't fix all my problems, but it removed the voices that were so confusing and frustrating from my life and let me direct my own life for the first time.
@@UncleverCarapace 💖💖
I used to dream of boats and their big sexy broadsides until Daddy Cheney saved me from these sea-harlots with the power of GOD
Sea-harlots is almost as good as lemon-stealing-whores
Evangelical christianity is also a Christianity where the pastor doesn't get formal education in theology to be able to read the Bible in a historical and cultural setting.
Like, I appreciate the whole protestant idea of democratizing the bible and saying that normal people should be able to read the bible without a priest to interpret for them (back in the day most people were illiterate and actually couldn't read the bible at all) but i hate what it's become. any asshole with a cheap suit can rent a podium and preach any old thing that comes to mind. And tons of people will gravitate to him (because it's always a he) and treat him like he's god himself! and any cross word against the *pastor* is treated as blasphemy against god himself. I hate it lol
True, my sister goes to a church with two pastors (one an embezzling engineer and the other a p*dophi*ic highschool teacher). The thief claims the money he stole is a blessing from God (he's super rich now) and encourages congregants to be corrupt to benefit Christians like them and male. The teacher is a child trafficking, conman and pretty great at grooming and indoctrination.
She's starting to see the light but her husband is not and will probably never be.
Every preacher I've talked to or had experience with, as far as I know, has had formal theological training. . .so maybe don't generalize your experience to everyone.
@@garrusn7702 Yet none of them can ever agree on what it actually means, it's almost as if their formal training has no bearing on interpreting the bible or claiming one thing is true over another.
@@Oxideist That both isn't true and has no bearing on what was being said.
I am about to start a No Context Maggie Mae Fish page, because this video alone was filled with so many gems, woah
“Daddy is god”
He could be simply curious about the mouth-feel.
PLEASE DO.
She’s a fundamentalist bad movie reviewer. Context is for losers. And catholics. Ew.
Man, I grew up in an evangelical home and I saw this movie growing up. My parents always told me that love was “doing what’s good for another person even when they don’t accept it.” And this movie reminds me of that attitude so much and how paternalistic and hurtful that definition of love is. I was taught growing up that love wasn’t what you felt but what you did for other people. Therefore, forcing yourself to do favors for someone you were “supposed to love” was the epitomy of love, a bond of mutual indebtedness.
As I get older, I’m learning that the bonds we have with others shouldnt be driven by guilt and duty but mutual understanding and empathy. But it’s been a lot of unlearning.
Also I think the reason they dont go into detail about Kirk Cameron’s porn habits is bc you’d have to share salacious details that might horrify born again moviegoers. Also you did not discuss the gem of a scene where Kirk Cameron destroys his computer with a baseball bat to purge himself of sin.
Anyway thanks for making this video and I’m sorry for this very long comment.
“doing what’s good for another person even when they don’t accept it” explains so much of the conservative christian mentality. Both the part about exhausting yourself by giving all your time and energy to a relationship that doesn't give you anything back, and the part about forcing your definition of "what good for another person" on them no matter how much they want you to stop.
Man, this idea of love is so ingrained in non-christians just as much and I don't understand why. I've experienced it with a partner where both of us were technically atheistic and feminists, but the patriarchal and religious socialization/abuse we both suffered as children won out. Still wrapping my mind around this phenomenon
Guilt and indebtedness bonds are absolute hell and such an easy gateway for abuse to seep in.
That scene is fucking hilarious, pointlessly destroying an expensive piece of tech that is very useful being somehow a good act. Truly this is a movie made by millionaires.
I saw this movie on a 14 hour bus ride through Ecuador dubbed in Spanish...needless to say it holds a special place in my life ❤️
This is the only way I can watch these movies. :-)
WOAH KINGS AND GENERALS IS HERE
@@dwightalonzo2574 they always pop up in the most unexpected comment sections
@@simonafflerbach3388 ikr
Epic channels crossovers of TH-cam
Everyone knows Ayn Rand was Jesus’s favourite disciple.
I'm sure you're aware, but I just want to make it clear to anyone who isn't, but Ayn Rand was a pro-abortion rights atheist. Which is why all of these prosperity gospel vampires try to tout her economic ideas without naming her directly.
Britton Stanaland I’m saying they worship her economic policies, rather than the “God” or “Jesus” they tell everyone they do.
I’m also being snarky, because I fucking hate conservatives.
I'd compare Ayn Rand to satan but I have nothing against satan
@@spirithawk6580 church of satan is literally heavily based on Objectivism lol
@@crawlingchaos2811 I meant satan the person, not satanism the philosophy
"What's next? Are they gonna tell us hot chocolate is bad? That the druids invented it?" No, the Aztecs did.
He knows his target demographic isn't gonna Google shit. He dont care lol
The Spanish did actually. The Mayans were drinking it cold. Spainiards heated it up and sweetened it.
OMG. My sister saw this with her church group at the movies and she laughed her butt off because they don’t come right out and say he’s looking at internet porn. Some older woman was a loud whisperer and kept saying she didn’t understand. Another audience meme rep really loudly said “Porn. he’s looking at porn. “ my sister said it was hilarious.
This is so accurate to real like growing up as an Evangelical Christian. I'm just coming out of all that religious pressure and it sure does take a lot of time and patience. Anyone else going through that too, you're not alone. 💗
In middle school this movie was sold in my church’s gift shop. I remember the pastor saying it was a really good film that will help your marriage. My mom bought it and I think watched it? I don’t remember her ever talking about it, but considering how toxic her marriage was and still is it was probably hard for her to sit through. :(
I just can’t imagine that anyone with good judgement would earnestly recommend this movie to anyone as a solution to their relationship problems.
The fact that your church had a "gift shop" is an exact and poignant example of what's really wrong with Christian doctrine.
That's the thing with Christians I really resent. They have no real concept of the world or the people in it, only caricatures. I grew up evangelical and left at 22. I kept looking for all these hateful, lost people I'd been hearing about and realize the version I was shown didn't exist. Likewise, these movies have people believing that every person claiming to be a Christian is unwaveringly and effortlessly good, emotionally intelligent and very seasoned in their walk with God. Still looking for those Christians...
Sandra Llewellyn no way, we Christian are SO NOT PERFECT ... AT ALL ... we are not effortlessly good (we definitely make mistakes) and our walk with God is not seasoned it is full of ups and downs and twists and turns (believe me, I get angry at God sometimes for things I’m going though) we just...if we are going through hard times, we turn to him and he helps us through it
Nini L not all church’s have gift shops
Your essay explains Nietzsche's concept of "Slave Morality" better than any video I've seen. Both the husband and wife commit to denying their feelings (and their freedom to follow them) in order to pledge allegiance to the spiritualized authority of the state.
I think you just ruined marriage for me, thanks Maggie,
He was great for Christianity by helping it grow. At same I wonder how view it as passive yet he should know faith struggle or struggle of Desert dwelling Fathers and Mothers. Their thing is about sacred struggle.
Don't feel bad, Marcus. True, functional marriages (and love relationships in general) are based on mutual respect, empathy and openness about each other's feelings; not on slavish devotion to bronze age gender roles and cultural impositions.
I love that you acknowledged that Jesus was a radical figure. It's amazing how *American evangelicals can just suck the soul out of any meaningful ideas in the Bible.
Btw thanks for captioning your videos! ✌
I disagree that Jesus was necessary "anti-authoritarian". He demanded that his followers shun their families and threatened anyone who didn't believe in him to burn in Hell. Jesus was a cult leader and who may have hated the Roman Empire, but he was certainly not above being a controlling leader himself.
@@NinjaGamr64 Eh, some of his language reflects the reasonable requirements that a group of disciples would have to adhere to in order to follow around an itinerant rabbi. I mean, he was roaming around all over the place in Galilee and Judea. His students really couldn't divide their loyalties if they wanted to be taught by him. (And it's worth remembering that to "hate" or "love" someone in a 1st century Jewish context is to show them a varying degree of favor through your actions, not to express a certain kind of emotion toward them. This notion is what Fireproof is trying and failing to explore.)
Also, a whole lot of the "hell" (literally "Gehenna") stuff in the Gospels is apocalyptic language that alludes to the imagery of body pits in the books of the Israelite prophets. Basically, the message behind all of the symbolic wording is this: "If you don't listen to me, you're going to keep behaving in a way that's going to get you all killed." And, well, soon came the Jewish-Roman War, thanks in large part to radicals who wanted to fight off the Roman occupation. It turns out that the message of pacifism really could have helped those Judeans avoid a tragic outcome. Whether you take that message as prophetic insight or just doing a good job of reading the room is, of course, a matter of faith. (And more importantly, it grants no justification to modern-day antisemitism.)
@@NinjaGamr64 was it the Thomas gospels were he acted like a little brat, that was hilarious
@@NinjaGamr64 Not just a cult leader, but a socialist cult leader more like Jim Jones without Kool Aid
@@MAMoreno Would be nice if the Bible clarified that better then, because as is it's a fucking mess of contradictions and obtuse bullshit.
Wow the mom's immediate response wasn't "You can't marry your father because he's your father" it was "you can't marry your father because he's my husband already." Really acting like this little girl is going to steal her man. Gross.
To be fair that’s a lot more appropriate than then having to explain to a child in detail why a sexual relationship between a father and daughter is wrong
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Or you could just say "you can't do that because others view it as gross" and leave it at that.
@@goosegas2087 That'd be the message "other people's negative opinion should inform your worldview" instead of "incest is bad." You really can just tell a kid "you can't marry your dad, marrying your dad is not allowed."
@@cam4636 That's the same thing I said
To be fair, there is a short phase in life where some young kids say they want to marry their parent. Not sure what's up with that, but I vividly remember my own words at that age and I cringe
God, my church had a huge event when this movie came out (on Valentine's Day of all days) and we all sat and watched this dumpster fire. All I could think the whole time was "This is the worst movie I have ever seen and I hate this man so much."
Then christian stores and churches were peddling the companion devotional book so MUCH, and the advertising for Fireproof especially was EVERYWHERE. I got so fucking tired of watching bad marriage after bad marriage be "restored" through harmful books and ideologies like this. And rarely did those women ever find their way out. It's extremely depressing to see women's spiritual lights and personalities die after being conditioned to stay in a bad relationship because it's the good and godly thing to do.
Love apparently is about economic sacrifice. Diamonds to wife, goats to god, hospital beds to mother in law.
And milk for the khorne flakes. And blood for the Blood God.
& lo, thou shalt render unto mother-in-law what is mother-in-law's...
Disillusionment with material offerings to gods is what led to Buddhism, Jainism, and several other religions
@@alanritchie7850 No that's not even slightly what Buddhism about, it's so much more complex than that.
Haven't seen your channel before. Started watching this video and stopped a few minutes in.
*_THIS IS SO GOOD, I HAVE TO SAVE IT FOR LATER SO I CAN SHARE THE EXPERIENCE WITH MY WIFE._*
Then get on some sexy boat websites
Today: Fireproof.
Next time: a movie with Ja Rule, head figure of Fyre festival.
There must be a joke there somewhere.
You don't need faith to know someone's a scammer when you have Fyre proof?
You're burning to find it .....
Ja Rule totally thought this his movie was so good it would get great buzz on the festival circuit
Out of the frying pan into the fire
I remember being forced to watch this movie at teen youth group being told “this is what a Christian marriage needs to be,” and then when I left the church, at a work secret Santa I got this movie as my gift lol
Wow tell what city that was in so I can never move there lol
As a fellow owner of the Kirk name, I want to apologize on behalf of all Kirk's that Kirk Cameron exists
You should have a Kirk fight, just like the Josh fight but everyone gangs up on Kirk Cameron and then leaves.
As an ex young christian girl I cannot explain how badly this film harms people.
How? Can you give an example?
@ many ideas were planted into my by this film. I think the most harmful one was the idea that because of god you have to stay in a place that isn't good for you. I remember that the first man I had intercourse with used this to convince me that I am married to him in the eyes of god (the whole Adam knew Eve and she became his wive thing). He then proceeded to bully me spiritually into staying with him. Sometimes it is better for people to break up, even if they are legitimately married. Caleb wasn't a good husband in this movie, this marriage isn't a good example of a healthy relationship. And yet this was used to teach me and my friends how a marriage should be. How a loving husband should act. How you should deal with problems in a relationship. This was the ultimate marriage goal. And it is bad.
Anneleen van Dyke god i’m sorry you went through that. i was raised an atheist and i’m genuinely floored at the messaging these evangelical films are steeped in, knowing full well they’re supposed to be turned to during hard times, positioned as ideals and watched as a family.
The film has bad theology and advice, and sadly, many churches also share these traits. Neither the husband nor the wife were behaving in ways that align with biblical marriage. Caleb should not be yelling, Catherine should not flirt with the doctor, and so forth. This movie is so bad, we don't even know how the relationship began and how it led to marriage.
Oh poor baby don't cry need a hug lol
10:13
"Before she becomes that trash can",
Damn, that was dark.
Its true
It's a good warning.
True but dark
The funniest part of this movie is the very idea of the skinny dweeb Kirk Cameron being a firefighter.
Wow; "mouthfeel" has really...penetrated into the culture.
Fun fact: They sold actual copies of The Love Dare as merch for this movie. Not-so-fun fact: I know this because I found one in my childhood home while cleaning it out. Good to know that my parents' marriage was secretly failing before I was even in middle school, I guess...
31:03 "Nobody is fire proof." *scoffs in Targaryen*
That worked out great for Daenerys.
If only Dany was stabproof.
@@jmwild1 And "being a power-mad homicidal maniac-proof"
Hail Daenerys Stormborn Targaryen, First of her name, Queen of the Andels and of the First Men, Breaker of Chains, Freer of Men, Khaleesi, the Unburnt, The Mother of Dragons!
*kneels in fealty*
In Valyrian, Yono, you scoff in Valyrian.
I screamed yes throughout this whole video pretty much. I was raised on this Evangelical atmosphere, and it makes me feel so liberated to watch people break down their hypocrisies. Thank you ✌️❤️
I grew up with a pentecostalist mom and got regularly dragged along to their meetings, and there was definitely an air of the pastor or a visiting preacher using their sermons/speeches to defend themselves. I remember one revival tent meeting where the preacher spent literally 90 minutes interpreting some tongue-speaking woman's ramblings (which, in the pentecostalist context, comes directly from god) into a very specific speech about how we should not be so critical of god's servants (ie. pastors and preachers). Very convenient.
It's amazing how prevalent this "transactional" view of relationships is among Christians. Even liberal Christians who may not agree with the heirarchical ideas still act as though love can only be expressed through material gestures.
My dad accidently rented Fire Proof when I was little and we were laughing our butts off the whole time. But never mind that, those Artemis Fowl novels behind Maggie are giving me intense nostalgia.
No one:
Absolutely nobody:
Kirk Cameron movie: Santa........... is the MAN!
Thank you for this deep dive into these films. I grew up in a church oriented home and could never articulate the obscurity of these creations. Also that Christmas movie uses the THRASHER magazine font for their title for extra edge
prosperity gospel is the most disgusting and perverse thing I've ever heard of in my life!!
Capitalism corrupts everything sacred, so prosperity gospel simply says why not join it
@Vlavitir glutginskiya yeah the communists who fought against monarchs, Islamic fundamentalism, and fascism across the world. Definitely the greatest evil.
@Vlavitir glutginskiya gender has never been a cornerstone. And being a cornerstone is not necessarily good. The subjugation of women and slavery were cornerstones of civilization for a long time
Gehenna's Fire stop ganging up on him with all your facts, and logic, and good points
The small part of me that's still Christian finds prosperity gospel offensive as HELL! It takes everything Christ ever said and pisses all over it!
Jesus; "Its easier for a camel to fit into the eye of the needle than for a rich man to get into heaven."
Evangelicals; "I need a new jet because there are demons in couch."
I sat in a Lutheran church and had to listen to the preacher describe how "the eye of the needle" was the name of a small gate in the wall of Jerusalem, so a camel could fit if they unpacked it. Literally the whole sermon, just "well actually what Jesus meant was it's fine to be rich it just requires some maneuvering. Hand around that basket, folks, contribute too." Wasn't some ultra-conservative megachurch either; this is just what modern christianity looks like.
@@cam4636 this "requires some maneuvering" interpretation is hilarious but sadly accurate and i will borrow it for future jokes if you don't mind. Pure gold i love it
In couch? How would there be demons in a sofa?
Or do you mean "coach", like the airplane class?
@@cam4636 It's such a funny excuse because for one you can easily confirm that no such gate existed, we know what Jerusalem looked like at the time and no contemporary sources mention this. But also throughout the Bible Jesus always uses very clear metaphors and if he was referring to an actual physical location and not using symbolism he would have made that clear, or the character of Jesus in the Bible would. Also his attitude to rich people is very clear throughout and this is not the only example of him condemning him.
Also this is the kind of shit that medieval Christians got right, there are tons of texts from monks criticizing contemporary lords or bishops for being too rich and pointing to the Bible for their justification. American Evangelicals literally are more gullible than medieval Christians, the guys who had no access to modern media of any kind.
I was forced to watch this movie multiple times as a kid, and I still can't get over how much this entire thing is infested with the idea of money. The Love Dare is an ACTUAL book you can buy. But it's even worse than that. The first time was made to watch this movie was as a family, the second was for a movie event. What is a movie event, you ask? The Kendrick Brothers sell movie events to churches and theaters. Basically, you watch the movie and take notes and discuss the film after viewing it. But in order to do these events, you have to buy a license. The license for this movie is $114 for a year. If Jesus knew about the Kendrick Brothers, he'd be in their church flipping the tables over.
"Love is definitely a feeling"
The evangelical view of love is based on agápē/caritas. In the English translations of the bible it is written as 'love' but may be more accurately described as charity. It's self sacrifice despite feelings. Chesterton put it as "To love means loving the unlovable."
McBlazington thank you for describing this
It’s a sacrificial love
Your feelings are valid but also choose to love
@@thomashester2 I get what the movie was trying to go for. Acting toward the benefit of others even when you are personally are not fond of them is not a bad thing. I would describe that as acting loving towards them.
The problem is with how ham fisted the movie tried to display that. Kirk is an abusive arsehole. The wife was 100% right to leave. Evangelicals twist it like you should stay in a physically or emotionally abusive relationship.
So love is only love if you're loving something you don't actually love?
For "love thy neighbour" sure that's a good definition of love. But when talking about your romantic partner it sounds pretty awful.
@@poposterous236 love in terms of the concept of agápē doesn't rely on a personal fondness or dislike of someone.
In ancient Greek there are another 3 words describing the concept of love. Their other concepts require a personal fondness.
Edit: (there's more than another 3 but they have 4 main categories)
God want's me to have spicy, shrimp noodles, and with your money I can have my noodles.
I don't know about that, the Bible also says shrimp(shellfish) is unclean
@@sandrallewellyn2632 How about chicken noodles instead.
@@rorysyers8457 lol I think that's Bible approved
@@sandrallewellyn2632 Good I'm hungry.
To which PO box do we send your request? Expect a moist legal sized envelope stuffed with shrimps and noodles to arrive within a weeks time
the whole time im watching this im just thinking how this is definitely at least 1 person's favorite movie, and how much that can say about a person. art is truly amazing in the best and worst of ways
I am not sure why but your videos are really easy to watch again and again. Very rewatchable! I have seen this video at least 5 times now hahaha. Love the channel
"I'm questioning myself because I've been so gaslit by Dick Cheney." is probably the best line taken out of context 🤣
Love your reviews.
We had to watch this movie at school. The only line I remember is “this isn’t a game, you’re playing with people’s lives” classic
I had to watch adam sandler movies in school. Not much better...
What sort of school makes you watch this shit?
@Seth Mixon gross.
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 lucky...
As a Christian, these movies have nothing to do with jesus
Christians disagree, sadly
"...in order to make Daddy's argument totally bulletproof."
More like fireproof, am I right!
(I'm sorry)
*insert joke sting here*
That would work if he was a soldier instead of a firefighter
It wasn't that bad, actually
I almost cannot wrap my head around how gorgeous this human being educating me is.