Great video! I am happy you brought this up. I am a BIG fan of Mizner myself. There's onlyone aspect that very very VERY few - if anyone I know of is talking about: You should REALLY check out Dan Hardens interpretation of 6 directions, heaven man earth and Microcosmic orbit. This just pushed my wing to a whole other level. Joined a seminar with him about a month ago - and it really filled a gap in both Wing and Tai chi. THeory is NOT new - but the way it's explained and how to develop the powers are very clear and easy to assimilate. Just one seminar just turned my wing 180. And when I say 180 - i mean: I didn't need to change anything - except just doing wing chun inversely! It's a mindF... You basically PULL everything in 6 direction, even pulling forward. If you haven't seen this - I really recommend it. I know Mizner is a fan too
Thanks for the kind commentary on this video. Shifu Mizner and his students (I’m the guy in the grey shirt in the video) are definitely not used to people having nice things to say about us. While your comments are not entirely accurate I do appreciate the spirit of them and will tell you that you are correct about Shifu Mizner’s skill level being way ahead of the curve. Thanks again!
@@JohnMartin-jx1wz Shifu Mizner never refers to himself as “Shifu” ... his student call him Shifu. It means teacher ... very similar to the word Rabbi (teacher) no one thinks it strange when we refer to our rabbi as rabbi... 🤷🏼♂️
I just hope one day you realise how naive you've been and leave this nonsense behind you. Please don't feel embarrassed, Mizner is a professional con man and has mastered the art of manipulation, you on the other hand are one of lifes sheep, you are a follower, a 🐑.
@@thehomefront1905 that’s so nice of you to be concerned with my well-being. I began training in traditional martial arts in 1972 (probably before you were born and definitely before you turned vegan). I have learned from some of the most famous masters in the world and some that were quite amazing that you will never know existed. I just hope that one day you come face to face with me and talk some shit but you’ll probably just piss your panties. Or maybe you’ll eat some meat and finally build up some testosterone and some brain cells and then beg someone to teach you these skills. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@taijicreature I've watched you try and fight in the videos buddy, you are not a fighter my friend, trust me on that, you look terrible. Now if you had gone and learnt boxing or kick boxing, maybe jujitsu you'd probably still be shit but definitely better than what you are now. You are tall and lanky with no balance, you dont seem to be able to plant your feet to get any power , also its very disturbing how you ass kiss that idiot Mezner, why do that my friend, he is taking your hard earnt money and giving you a false sence of security, I hate to have to tell you this but you need a reality check, don't be an idiot your whole life, stop it right now Steffan, make a stand against all this shit you keep doing, you've probably only got 10 years left if you're lucky, don't waste them being a following idiot, get a mind of your own. I want to help you because you are a bit of an old fool, but you can only lead an horse to water, also its hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially when the old dog is stupid aswell, good luck any Steff.
In Tai Chi the elbow is very important, like every other joint in the body. The elbow has to be open and relaxed in general but correctly weighted so the shoulders can stay relaxed and low, and the upper and lower back can open, so forces can be evenly distributed throughout the system. Closing the elbow draws energy in, like closing the fist, concentrates the mind and strengthens the system where appropriate. Opening the elbow keeps forces on the outside so the opponent cannot enter the system and ends up floating around it. This type of opening and closing is very subtle, not much more than a thought and takes a long time to fully understand. In my own experience, daily practice of standing meditation over a period of years is the only way to develop this type of skill. Many people train the Tai Chi form for years and don't develop this state of deep relaxation in a very stable structure capable of very subtle yet profound movement, because they have not linked the system through standing practice or consistently tested the postures for flaws. Thanks for posting :)
@@BoxingForTheStreets You go around insulting and "challenging" people online? How juvenile. That's not going to win you any friends or converts in the martial arts community, where some respect and perspective are considered the manners of those who are halfway mature. You really believe he blocked you out of fear? Get a grip on your ego and also try to learn something about other martial arts before making ignorant proclamations. Your "reality" is a far cry from the real thing. I'm not commenting on your boxing abilities. Only about your disrespectful attitude and lack of knowledge about the martial arts, especially those that are genuine internal martial arts.
@@surfwriter8461, Which part of insult that you find in my comment? I asked him through his email if i can have a sparring match with him (grappling) on his seminar, since i was in Perth at the time. At first he said yes, all are welcome and told me bout the prices and stuff. After i send him 1 video of mine, he blocked me. WTF? I'm not only a Boxer but I'm also a Wrestler and had been wrestling since highschool. What he thought on this video are completely rubbish.
Great video.. I do both WC and TC and they go quite well together. I'm practicing more WC now and about to get into more of the internal aspects about it hopefully next month.
Wing chun and tai chi are for me the two most enjoyable arts to practice, and they complement each other really weirdly well. maybe the combination of linear and circular movement which is always fun to switch between to keep someone guessing (thinking of that time a guy switched from wing chun to bagua on me and I had no idea what to do lol) but when comparing chi sao in each, they both seem to pursue the same kind of structure protection and sensitivity. I hope I can get back to wing chun one day.
Taichi people care very much about where their elbows are. Two of the edicts of taiji training is “shoulders down, elbows down”. A taiji person will seldom extend their arms or lock the arms at the elbows.
youre comments are observant and fair and narrated well ADAM is a dedicated student of the art and has obviously been able to search and find good teachers plus his own individual self to seek out the suttles the ever inquiring mind to get better and better is a journey and pathway to a very happy life that tai chi chuan offers as the body and mind grow to gether towards perfect balance of harmony
years ago he was sweating tons practicing the standing holding the ball posture-noticed when his abilities started to grow he deleted that video--this could be his secret of power-all one can do is to experiment with it and see if it improves your skill
I practice standing meditation and it's the key to structural stability. I have boxed wrestled and lots of street fights. I took some Tai Chi classes years ago but got kicked out because I kept beating the teacher at Elephant wrestling lol. Never did it before but my root was so strong people start swaying as soon as I touched them. Deep level stuff.
I heard he's one of the next guys to be challenged by Bradley Scott, former UFC guy who beat DK YOO, another miracle martial artist with huge following. There we will have it if Mizner has the guts, if Mizner can deflect and neutralize Brad for several rounds, it will be amazing, and change martial arts forever.
It is a bit weird to challenge a guy who focuses on meditation and does taichi to help that and teaches song and sinking with a small bit of push hands to test the internal principles. DKYOO on the other hand pushes his war system or whatever. There are other ppl who push their fighting taiji so maybe challenge them as they want to fight it seems. As far as I know, Adam is quite happy on meditation retreats and doing some form and playing with his cats.
I went away and did more practical research and now realise that Adam is always ahead in his timing…Always ahead in capturing the students centre …the student has no chance of resistance and the more pressure they give the more they are able to be pushed / thrown by Adam…..This cannot be taught….To learn this requires a deep thirst and an empty cup daily…The student has to retreat to a camp in the forest or a monastery and stay there until the skills are absorbed…only the Abbot can tell when the Grasshoper is ready……Adam 🙏 you have shown me the holy grail ☮️
Interesting with the art is the ability to really paralyze an agressor without risking being caught and charged for applying more violence than necessary. In many juristictions around the globe, a very small amount of agression (even in defence) would still be regarded as excessive violence.
When you push with Adam, you are blessed to recognize there are things in the world you only thought you knew. I have had the martial blessing of two teachers this spectacular searching 40 years. Notice the bigger guys cannot use their force, size or weight against him. Tricks of the mind-haters call the students "paid" to "pretend" or "well he hasn't pushed me yet." Uh huh.
Great video. My take is that the Tai Chi' in Wing Chun is hidden in the first form. I would just humbly add that the mobility in WC differs from lineage to lineage. In the one that I practice (mainland Chinese) footwork hence mobility is fundamental in creating the angles to dominate your opponent. So yes, we don't go back but we angle a lot (forward) to avoid going back. Keep up the good work.
I could not agree more. The first form is everything! I do think it has to be practiced in a specific way if you want to develop internal skill. Great to hear someone thinking along the same lines I am!
"Wing Chun has gaps in it" BLASPHEMY!! 😉😆 Adam Mizner is legitimate? DOUBLE BLASPHEMY! 🤣 Totally agree with you BTW, the real close structural control and "internal" skills are the missing link in a lot of Wing Chun IMO
I honestly doubt that he has trained with professionals wrestlers and grapplers and they just run away. Maybe they have run away when they find out that his technique is not efficient,, but not because they would not want to fight with him. I don't think his technique stands in a real match against an average wrestler.
@@neutrino78x If he would accept the challenge I would, if not kick his ass at least I would be a better challenge than those brainwashed or paid students.
@@neutrino78x There are dozens of videos exposing these fake masters on TH-cam. Do you honestly think these techniques would work against a real attack?
@@itomba really???... Please show just one video with anyone showing they can best Adam Mizner....or any of his seniors for that matter. they don't exist ! - except in the strange minds of those who do not possess the skill level to appreciate what they are seeing. This is Understandable though, as this level of skill is beyond rare in these times
@@itomba ITF Taekwondo? Yes, most definitely. Because I have used it myself in real situations, and it worked great. So I dismiss these combat sports jockstraps claiming that X or Y system doesn't work. And I dismiss combat sports, because I want more out of a fighting system than JUST a fighting system. I want a spiritual and intellectual pursuit that also includes an effective system of self defense. So therefore combat sports has nothing to offer me.
I am taking the online course from Sifu Mizner and want to point out one thing. When you are saying - 8:05 - that force is being absorbed and thrown back, that is only partially correct and even that can be argued about. Based on the instructions you are given in the videos, if you are more relaxed than the opponent or partner, the force doesn't come through. Another thing that can happen is that the force is being sent down towards the foot as you mentioned but I think that Sifu Mizner's level is so high that he does the former and not the latter. The force that is being used to throw the other person is done by relaxing the muscles sequentially so that energy is released and then directed whenever it is desired. The force is generated from "the release of relaxing" and then directing that generation up to the arms, hands, and then to the opponent.
Interesting. That may well be so. Sometimes I think it's hard to accurately describe what is happening internally because we a) don't have the language, and b) really can't say with 100% certainty. I don't think you can't sink anything or rebound force unless you are very relaxed so perhaps what I am talking about (rebounding) precedes what Mizner is doing. I'm always open to being wrong on these things.
You should continue this series. It's fascinating. Look up He Jinbao for exceptional baguazhang, and look up Mizner's friends Damo Mitchell and Liang De Hua for more taijiquan. Thank you for the video!
You're wrong when you talk about relaxation. Adam Mizner says it's body release and it's not physical relaxation. It's called "Song". You should watch all the interviews videos of Adam Mizner from Martial Man. Because a lot of the things you say is not accurate because you have an external interpretation of the art. Adam Mizner is not about physical technics, nor structure. Structure only help you to understand how to use the qi, but ultimately the internal force can be released no matter the structure or position of the body. Structure and technics are not taichi, but only help to understand taichi. True Taichi has no form at all. Wing Chun is completely external compared to Taichi. It uses external force 100%. And there is no other around it. The way Wing Chun practionner train is external.
I used to train Ving Tsun and now I'm training Taj and you are completely right. You must completely give up force and train sung. It really is training from the inside out. Then you got to develop a Tan Tien. If you don't know then you don't know!
@@KelGhu I actually like the recent chi sao on this channel and I know where he's coming from, but to truly train chi and sung, you've gotta go all the way back to the start. Having said 5hat the technique itself can definitely be picked up quickly by someone who's trained in something like WC.
All arts can be practiced "externally" or "internally". It depends on where the practitioner is focused. Tai Chi is supposed to be 100% internal, but often isn't practiced that way. Wing Chun has internal origins, but it has morphed over time into a mostly external art.
Wrestling type of tai chi? Very inaccurate. Mizner is very very advanced and talented and full of ability. Wing chun is an external style, while Mizner is doing an internal style called taiji chuan or tai chi chuan based on meditation and chi flow. In order to become effective using tai chi chuan, you must reject your muscular training and learn a very new and different way to move and strike. It takes years of daily training to get anywhere because you must learn to relax and focus and basically do everything differently. Yes years. But doesn't it take years to be effective with any martial art? The difference is that with boxing, you could learn, in one lesson, some cool ways to knock someone out and be able to do it. But in tai chi chuan, you need years to change your way of moving before even thinking about fighting. If you want to be able to do what Mizner does, you can't just watch his videos while practicing boxing or taekwondo. You must dedicate to his way of tai chi and be sure you are counteracting what he teaches with very counterproductive muscle development.
Wing Chun and Tai Chi have a common ancestry so what you are saying is very inaccurate. Wing Chun can be practiced using internal skill, but it depends on the practitioner. Same goes for Tai Chi. I've seen a lot of "external" Tai Chi people.
@@BenCohenInternalWingChun you right bro. In fact all traditionnal chinese martials arts attach a lot of importance and even more importance on internal aspect. The division external/internal has been made for sport, marketing, but dont reflect the theory and principes of martials arts
Looks like a load of horse shit to me. For some reason people are readily playing along for Mizner. The Wiggling Baldie, for instance, gives Mizner straight horizontal force, so Mizner pushes from underneath and "bang" -- the miracle starts to happen, the "wiggly dance" comes on. Now, each Taiji player (let alone Judoka etc.) would sense the upward force and start pushing from legs. Then the "magic" would stop happening immediately. But for some reason all the "opponents" chose to either give Mizner a very simple force to work with, or readily stiffen up for Mizner's recoil to unbalance them. Why are they doing that ? Beats me. Because they teach you to push with the whole body and to hide your centre as soon as you start doing Push Hands in Taiji. Very strange indeed.
Unbelievable how people are so easily fooled. Those people are being ripped off and if they ever do find themselves in a real fight they won't be able to defend themselves and could be seriously hurt or killed.
Sorry your wrong ..whether your relaxed he relaxed even more thats how your can tell...he's relaxed but with substance not like a ragg doll..look at insubstantial...
Its not WC at all, WC power is structured, Tai Chi power can come from anywhere on your body. What Adam is doing is mostly internal and cannot really be analyzed by a video. Not mechanical, or external power....
I think Sifu Sergio is also friends with Adam. Even though this clip is about Wing Chun, the theme is the same. th-cam.com/video/XkKlJMIjw4I/w-d-xo.html
Adam is expressing his Qi skills. It isn’t in the forms because it is a separate practice, once developed, amplifies the forms function. Many “internal” arts had this training, and often was the primary training for the new students. When the teacher was satisfied with the level of their internal awareness, then they would teach them the martial art forms of their style, whether it was Wing Chuen, White Crane, Xing Yi, BaGua, or Emei 12 Zhang. Fate has caused the decline of this skill among many of the styles which used to teach this. Adam Mizner is not the only one teaching this skill. There are others who don’t teach it as openly as Adam. But far fewer than in the past.
Wing Chun is an internal art. Those [most WC sifu's] who claim otherwise don't understand true Wing Chun. Wing Chun is more "wedge" than ball. Both Tai Chi & Wing Chun share many traits, but Tai Chi is more of a defensive "ball" [peaceful art]; whereas Wing Chun is meant to be direct. Most who teach either don't understand the many hidden applications: they use a hammer to pound a screw. Both require humility, faith, and contemplation. The Wooden Dummy form indicates Wing Chun is meant to utilize internal techniques such as pressure points and softness. Sadly, most practice WC with ego which defeats the purpose. The most important part of Wing Chun is "acceptance" of force. Pride prevents true Wing Chun AND Tai Chi. Fill the sail [flesh] with wind [chi]; for the unseen drives what is seen. Focus over force; energy over movement; specificity over power. Stop marveling over the limp sail and learn to gather what is within. Chi is Spirit. But Spirit must be mindfully directed by intention [mind]. The Spirit is the "wind" gathered in the sail [flesh], but the MIND is the TILL/RUDDER of the ship [vessel/body] which directs. Ip Man understood this truth. So did many Tai Chi masters. Movement RESULTS from intention. Empty force is meaningless, like a sail without wind. Look within, not without. However, one must have the Chi or proper energy to use it. A teacher cannot give what a student doesn't already possess. Each man has unique gifts [chi] which must be set in order. True internal martial arts are INTERNAL. Learn to wield oneself before "mastering" [dominating] others. Tai Chi is the art of the peaceful man. Wing Chun is the art of the few: the warrior. Both inform each other.
@@BoxingForTheStreets I wasn't speaking on Mizner. I know little about him. However, I know Wing Chun and Tai Chi are effective if understood. The problem is most don't understand their art.
Adam is an amazing Sifu and highest taichi level in my opinion. I like these two videos of him as well: th-cam.com/video/XuW4UfaC-l8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/M6LtFhDQri8/w-d-xo.html Enjoy them everyone..
There is only a hand full of people in the world who no real internal wing chun. So u really need to understand an art before you say wc is no good. If ever u come across a real wc practioner .then you will no. And yes adam is extremely talented. So both good.
yeah Adam M is amazing, testimony not just to the logistical end pt of bio-physio' aspect more so power innate in all humans yet inaccessible to most due as much to 'mindset' as lack of general practical knowledge. I have studied WC under various lineages, although when it comes to an equivalent of Adam then I would say the 'relaxed force' (Nim Tao) principle of 'Sigung Chu Shong Tin' and his key student Jim Fung are the most worthy equivalent.
@@lionsden4563 I had to suss out your channel assuming you to be just another 'troll' trying to pick a fight so was surprised to find you have plenty of kudos regards to MMA. My advice to you is to suss out esoteric (internal) arts before you slag them off as you obviously have an extreme exoteric (external) martial art skillset (someone like Mike Tyson is an example of extreme exoteric mastery), although the full capacity of the human vehicle should not be underestimated when it comes to delving deeper than the egoic hyper analytical and competitive boundaries of mind. You could become an example of high 'balanced' achievement (exoteric and esoteric in harmony ultimate compassionate warrior) and overcome the macho insecure killer instinct which has been and still is responsible for the darkest side to our shared humanity. The beauty of martial arts is that as you advance you are able to truly become a pacifist i.e. you overcome your fear and hence your need to assert your dominance and competitive need to control others due to fear of not being in control of yourself. Our true nature is not fettered by ignorance and fear, it is formless and boundless. Peace to you!
@@DrFrankenskippy, No. Adam Mizner is teaching garbage. He should just focus on his meditation. This is garbage. th-cam.com/video/TqalmuxUKII/w-d-xo.html
@@lionsden4563 ... ha ha well I'll give you one thing, the dude trying to give you his 'learned' take in this vid' has a killer 'stache, he could use that to effect as a psychological tactic to bemuse the opponent ;-) .that is a perfect 'stache kudos to him for man-grooming.. but that aside, you are missing my pt completely. I am 55 yrs of age well beyond my want to compete and test myself in martial arts. I can relate to MMA so don't get me wrong, it did not even exist in my early full contact sparring days of yore. Most of my martial arts has been 'striking' arts although I am also not stupid to wrestling having delved into Judo and the more brutal (non sport) side of wrestling and also short to long range (old school) weapons. So when I look at the pt's the 'stache dude is presenting it is clear he has never tango'd with anyone of significant 'esoteric' prowess as his analysis is very convoluted and caught up the ass of 'technique' whereas true internal power has nothing to do with technique i.e it is absolutely contrary to it ... it represents 'principle' geared expressions of total spontaneity which can be soft as a feather one mo' and like a hurricane the next (you cannot play chess with the wind). The only true way to facilitate and harness inner/esoteric power is to have surrendered all notions of self and that is not to say inner power does not occur prior to fully rediscovering that core presence, although it certainly cannot be reached by hyper-analytical exoteric breakdowns of power that is beyond the 'nuts & bolts' side to our humanity. Talk about fraud, this guy is fraudulently assessing esoteric principles he clearly has no experiential savvy with.
Great video!
I am happy you brought this up. I am a BIG fan of Mizner myself.
There's onlyone aspect that very very VERY few - if anyone I know of is talking about:
You should REALLY check out Dan Hardens interpretation of 6 directions, heaven man earth and Microcosmic orbit.
This just pushed my wing to a whole other level.
Joined a seminar with him about a month ago - and it really filled a gap in both Wing and Tai chi.
THeory is NOT new - but the way it's explained and how to develop the powers are very clear and easy to assimilate.
Just one seminar just turned my wing 180. And when I say 180 - i mean: I didn't need to change anything - except just doing wing chun inversely!
It's a mindF... You basically PULL everything in 6 direction, even pulling forward.
If you haven't seen this - I really recommend it. I know Mizner is a fan too
Thanks for the kind commentary on this video. Shifu Mizner and his students (I’m the guy in the grey shirt in the video) are definitely not used to people having nice things to say about us. While your comments are not entirely accurate I do appreciate the spirit of them and will tell you that you are correct about Shifu Mizner’s skill level being way ahead of the curve.
Thanks again!
I know people who've met your Sifu and I trust he is for real. He takes far too much online flak IMO but then that can happen when you are that good
@@JohnMartin-jx1wz Shifu Mizner never refers to himself as “Shifu” ... his student call him Shifu. It means teacher ... very similar to the word Rabbi (teacher) no one thinks it strange when we refer to our rabbi as rabbi... 🤷🏼♂️
I just hope one day you realise how naive you've been and leave this nonsense behind you. Please don't feel embarrassed, Mizner is a professional con man and has mastered the art of manipulation, you on the other hand are one of lifes sheep, you are a follower, a 🐑.
@@thehomefront1905 that’s so nice of you to be concerned with my well-being. I began training in traditional martial arts in 1972 (probably before you were born and definitely before you turned vegan). I have learned from some of the most famous masters in the world and some that were quite amazing that you will never know existed.
I just hope that one day you come face to face with me and talk some shit but you’ll probably just piss your panties. Or maybe you’ll eat some meat and finally build up some testosterone and some brain cells and then beg someone to teach you these skills.
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@taijicreature I've watched you try and fight in the videos buddy, you are not a fighter my friend, trust me on that, you look terrible.
Now if you had gone and learnt boxing or kick boxing, maybe jujitsu you'd probably still be shit but definitely better than what you are now. You are tall and lanky with no balance, you dont seem to be able to plant your feet to get any power , also its very disturbing how you ass kiss that idiot Mezner, why do that my friend, he is taking your hard earnt money and giving you a false sence of security, I hate to have to tell you this but you need a reality check, don't be an idiot your whole life, stop it right now Steffan, make a stand against all this shit you keep doing, you've probably only got 10 years left if you're lucky, don't waste them being a following idiot, get a mind of your own.
I want to help you because you are a bit of an old fool, but you can only lead an horse to water, also its hard to teach an old dog new tricks, especially when the old dog is stupid aswell, good luck any Steff.
In Tai Chi the elbow is very important, like every other joint in the body. The elbow has to be open and relaxed in general but correctly weighted so the shoulders can stay relaxed and low, and the upper and lower back can open, so forces can be evenly distributed throughout the system. Closing the elbow draws energy in, like closing the fist, concentrates the mind and strengthens the system where appropriate. Opening the elbow keeps forces on the outside so the opponent cannot enter the system and ends up floating around it. This type of opening and closing is very subtle, not much more than a thought and takes a long time to fully understand. In my own experience, daily practice of standing meditation over a period of years is the only way to develop this type of skill. Many people train the Tai Chi form for years and don't develop this state of deep relaxation in a very stable structure capable of very subtle yet profound movement, because they have not linked the system through standing practice or consistently tested the postures for flaws. Thanks for posting :)
It's not the fact that he is relaxed, it's just that he is very good at having a lower center of gravity and knowing WHEN to push, pull...
No. Mizner is nothing but a scammer. I've challenged him last year and he blocked me after seeing 1 of my video. You should wake up to reality.
@@BoxingForTheStreets You go around insulting and "challenging" people online? How juvenile. That's not going to win you any friends or converts in the martial arts community, where some respect and perspective are considered the manners of those who are halfway mature. You really believe he blocked you out of fear? Get a grip on your ego and also try to learn something about other martial arts before making ignorant proclamations. Your "reality" is a far cry from the real thing. I'm not commenting on your boxing abilities. Only about your disrespectful attitude and lack of knowledge about the martial arts, especially those that are genuine internal martial arts.
@@surfwriter8461,
Which part of insult that you find in my comment? I asked him through his email if i can have a sparring match with him (grappling) on his seminar, since i was in Perth at the time. At first he said yes, all are welcome and told me bout the prices and stuff. After i send him 1 video of mine, he blocked me. WTF? I'm not only a Boxer but I'm also a Wrestler and had been wrestling since highschool. What he thought on this video are completely rubbish.
@@BoxingForTheStreets
Agreed. He's quite well known for his fraudulent teachings.
Great video.. I do both WC and TC and they go quite well together. I'm practicing more WC now and about to get into more of the internal aspects about it hopefully next month.
Wing chun and tai chi are for me the two most enjoyable arts to practice, and they complement each other really weirdly well. maybe the combination of linear and circular movement which is always fun to switch between to keep someone guessing (thinking of that time a guy switched from wing chun to bagua on me and I had no idea what to do lol) but when comparing chi sao in each, they both seem to pursue the same kind of structure protection and sensitivity. I hope I can get back to wing chun one day.
Taichi people care very much about where their elbows are.
Two of the edicts of taiji training is “shoulders down, elbows down”.
A taiji person will seldom extend their arms or lock the arms at the elbows.
The reason is because they are the two main obstructions to the flow of qi
youre comments are observant and fair and narrated well ADAM is a dedicated student of the art and has obviously been able to search and find good teachers plus his own individual self to seek out the suttles the ever inquiring mind to get better and better is a journey and pathway to a very happy life that tai chi chuan offers as the body and mind grow to gether towards perfect balance of harmony
He’s a con artist
Very astute analysis, and your descriptive analogies are much appreciated.
Thanks very much!
years ago he was sweating tons practicing the standing holding the ball posture-noticed when his abilities started to grow he deleted that video--this could be his secret of power-all one can do is to experiment with it and see if it improves your skill
I practice standing meditation and it's the key to structural stability. I have boxed wrestled and lots of street fights. I took some Tai Chi classes years ago but got kicked out because I kept beating the teacher at Elephant wrestling lol. Never did it before but my root was so strong people start swaying as soon as I touched them. Deep level stuff.
I heard he's one of the next guys to be challenged by Bradley Scott, former UFC guy who beat DK YOO, another miracle martial artist with huge following. There we will have it if Mizner has the guts, if Mizner can deflect and neutralize Brad for several rounds, it will be amazing, and change martial arts forever.
Lmao, as if mizner would ever accept 😂
It is a bit weird to challenge a guy who focuses on meditation and does taichi to help that and teaches song and sinking with a small bit of push hands to test the internal principles. DKYOO on the other hand pushes his war system or whatever. There are other ppl who push their fighting taiji so maybe challenge them as they want to fight it seems. As far as I know, Adam is quite happy on meditation retreats and doing some form and playing with his cats.
@@ytb460mizner reckons he can push former ufc champions about. That’s not a claim a guy who concentrates on meditation should concern himself with
I went away and did more practical research and now realise that Adam is always ahead in his timing…Always ahead in capturing the students centre …the student has no chance of resistance and the more pressure they give the more they are able to be pushed / thrown by Adam…..This cannot be taught….To learn this requires a deep thirst and an empty cup daily…The student has to retreat to a camp in the forest or a monastery and stay there until the skills are absorbed…only the Abbot can tell when the Grasshoper is ready……Adam 🙏 you have shown me the holy grail ☮️
Interesting with the art is the ability to really paralyze an agressor without risking being caught and charged for applying more violence than necessary. In many juristictions around the globe, a very small amount of agression (even in defence) would still be regarded as excessive violence.
When you push with Adam, you are blessed to recognize there are things in the world you only thought you knew. I have had the martial blessing of two teachers this spectacular searching 40 years. Notice the bigger guys cannot use their force, size or weight against him. Tricks of the mind-haters call the students "paid" to "pretend" or "well he hasn't pushed me yet." Uh huh.
Great video. My take is that the Tai Chi' in Wing Chun is hidden in the first form. I would just humbly add that the mobility in WC differs from lineage to lineage. In the one that I practice (mainland Chinese) footwork hence mobility is fundamental in creating the angles to dominate your opponent. So yes, we don't go back but we angle a lot (forward) to avoid going back.
Keep up the good work.
I could not agree more. The first form is everything! I do think it has to be practiced in a specific way if you want to develop internal skill. Great to hear someone thinking along the same lines I am!
"Wing Chun has gaps in it" BLASPHEMY!! 😉😆
Adam Mizner is legitimate? DOUBLE BLASPHEMY! 🤣
Totally agree with you BTW, the real close structural control and "internal" skills are the missing link in a lot of Wing Chun IMO
I honestly doubt that he has trained with professionals wrestlers and grapplers and they just run away. Maybe they have run away when they find out that his technique is not efficient,, but not because they would not want to fight with him. I don't think his technique stands in a real match against an average wrestler.
ok, so make a video where you kick his ass.
@@neutrino78x If he would accept the challenge I would, if not kick his ass at least I would be a better challenge than those brainwashed or paid students.
@@neutrino78x There are dozens of videos exposing these fake masters on TH-cam. Do you honestly think these techniques would work against a real attack?
@@itomba really???... Please show just one video with anyone showing they can best Adam Mizner....or any of his seniors for that matter. they don't exist ! - except in the strange minds of those who do not possess the skill level to appreciate what they are seeing. This is Understandable though, as this level of skill is beyond rare in these times
@@itomba ITF Taekwondo? Yes, most definitely. Because I have used it myself in real situations, and it worked great.
So I dismiss these combat sports jockstraps claiming that X or Y system doesn't work. And I dismiss combat sports, because I want more out of a fighting system than JUST a fighting system. I want a spiritual and intellectual pursuit that also includes an effective system of self defense. So therefore combat sports has nothing to offer me.
I am taking the online course from Sifu Mizner and want to point out one thing. When you are saying - 8:05 - that force is being absorbed and thrown back, that is only partially correct and even that can be argued about.
Based on the instructions you are given in the videos, if you are more relaxed than the opponent or partner, the force doesn't come through.
Another thing that can happen is that the force is being sent down towards the foot as you mentioned but I think that Sifu Mizner's level is so high that he does the former and not the latter.
The force that is being used to throw the other person is done by relaxing the muscles sequentially so that energy is released and then directed whenever it is desired. The force is generated from "the release of relaxing" and then directing that generation up to the arms, hands, and then to the opponent.
Interesting. That may well be so. Sometimes I think it's hard to accurately describe what is happening internally because we a) don't have the language, and b) really can't say with 100% certainty.
I don't think you can't sink anything or rebound force unless you are very relaxed so perhaps what I am talking about (rebounding) precedes what Mizner is doing. I'm always open to being wrong on these things.
You should continue this series. It's fascinating. Look up He Jinbao for exceptional baguazhang, and look up Mizner's friends Damo Mitchell and Liang De Hua for more taijiquan. Thank you for the video!
Great sugestion!! Same guys I am following: Adam Mizner, Liang de Hua and Damo Mitchell!!
No. Mizner is nothing but a scammer. I've challenged him last year and he blocked me after seeing 1 of my video. You should wake up to reality.
Thanks for sharing!
Very interesting comparative video, thx. 🙏
Amazing when people just stand there what this guy can do! Wonder how much he charges?
Why is that old guy doing the running man?
You're wrong when you talk about relaxation. Adam Mizner says it's body release and it's not physical relaxation. It's called "Song".
You should watch all the interviews videos of Adam Mizner from Martial Man. Because a lot of the things you say is not accurate because you have an external interpretation of the art. Adam Mizner is not about physical technics, nor structure. Structure only help you to understand how to use the qi, but ultimately the internal force can be released no matter the structure or position of the body. Structure and technics are not taichi, but only help to understand taichi. True Taichi has no form at all.
Wing Chun is completely external compared to Taichi. It uses external force 100%. And there is no other around it. The way Wing Chun practionner train is external.
I used to train Ving Tsun and now I'm training Taj and you are completely right. You must completely give up force and train sung. It really is training from the inside out. Then you got to develop a Tan Tien. If you don't know then you don't know!
@@dingosmith9932 People don't get it. Most of them have a very western way of understanding this. It is partially because of the language use.
@@KelGhu I actually like the recent chi sao on this channel and I know where he's coming from, but to truly train chi and sung, you've gotta go all the way back to the start. Having said 5hat the technique itself can definitely be picked up quickly by someone who's trained in something like WC.
So what do u think the difference is to adam and internal wing chun. Not external wing chun
All arts can be practiced "externally" or "internally". It depends on where the practitioner is focused. Tai Chi is supposed to be 100% internal, but often isn't practiced that way. Wing Chun has internal origins, but it has morphed over time into a mostly external art.
It’s an internal martial art. Lots to learn before your description is accurate.
Wrestling type of tai chi? Very inaccurate. Mizner is very very advanced and talented and full of ability. Wing chun is an external style, while Mizner is doing an internal style called taiji chuan or tai chi chuan based on meditation and chi flow. In order to become effective using tai chi chuan, you must reject your muscular training and learn a very new and different way to move and strike. It takes years of daily training to get anywhere because you must learn to relax and focus and basically do everything differently. Yes years. But doesn't it take years to be effective with any martial art? The difference is that with boxing, you could learn, in one lesson, some cool ways to knock someone out and be able to do it. But in tai chi chuan, you need years to change your way of moving before even thinking about fighting. If you want to be able to do what Mizner does, you can't just watch his videos while practicing boxing or taekwondo. You must dedicate to his way of tai chi and be sure you are counteracting what he teaches with very counterproductive muscle development.
Wing Chun and Tai Chi have a common ancestry so what you are saying is very inaccurate. Wing Chun can be practiced using internal skill, but it depends on the practitioner. Same goes for Tai Chi. I've seen a lot of "external" Tai Chi people.
@@BenCohenInternalWingChun you right bro. In fact all traditionnal chinese martials arts attach a lot of importance and even more importance on internal aspect. The division external/internal has been made for sport, marketing, but dont reflect the theory and principes of martials arts
Yang Style 杨式
Wú Style 吴式
These 2 styles have the most number possessing such internal ability.
Correction. YOUR Wing Chun lacks and has many holes. My wing chun is limitless
Looks like a load of horse shit to me. For some reason people are readily playing along for Mizner. The Wiggling Baldie, for instance, gives Mizner straight horizontal force, so Mizner pushes from underneath and "bang" -- the miracle starts to happen, the "wiggly dance" comes on. Now, each Taiji player (let alone Judoka etc.) would sense the upward force and start pushing from legs. Then the "magic" would stop happening immediately. But for some reason all the "opponents" chose to either give Mizner a very simple force to work with, or readily stiffen up for Mizner's recoil to unbalance them. Why are they doing that ? Beats me. Because they teach you to push with the whole body and to hide your centre as soon as you start doing Push Hands in Taiji. Very strange indeed.
Unbelievable how people are so easily fooled. Those people are being ripped off and if they ever do find themselves in a real fight they won't be able to defend themselves and could be seriously hurt or killed.
Take Adam's workshop. Well worth the time. Nice review.
Actually the elbow requirement in taichi is just different, but there are requirements
Adam is a charlatan.
Sorry your wrong ..whether your relaxed he relaxed even more thats how your can tell...he's relaxed but with substance not like a ragg doll..look at insubstantial...
Its not WC at all, WC power is structured, Tai Chi power can come from anywhere on your body. What Adam is doing is mostly internal and cannot really be analyzed by a video. Not mechanical, or external power....
I agree to a large extent, although WC can be trained internally too. They share a similar history/lineage.
@@BenCohenInternalWingChun Yes both are great actually!
The guys a fraud
Actually not. This video is a poor shot as some things are out of view such as knee feet and hips
The tennis ball and tennis racquet analogy is quite good but not the entire story
Its the force. You need to find it and redirect
beautiful essence of Chinese gung fu
I think Sifu Sergio is also friends with Adam. Even though this clip is about Wing Chun, the theme is the same. th-cam.com/video/XkKlJMIjw4I/w-d-xo.html
I’m going back home
It's Chi gong yes but it's Taiji quan
If this is the best , I'd hate to see the worst. This is useless in a fight.
See the video " Tai chi vs. wrestling ( maybe Greco Roman) angle 1 shadow xu.
@@charlesbetancourt7337 , Thanks , I'll check it out.
Adam is expressing his Qi skills. It isn’t in the forms because it is a separate practice, once developed, amplifies the forms function.
Many “internal” arts had this training, and often was the primary training for the new students. When the teacher was satisfied with the level of their internal awareness, then they would teach them the martial art forms of their style, whether it was Wing Chuen, White Crane, Xing Yi, BaGua, or Emei 12 Zhang.
Fate has caused the decline of this skill among many of the styles which used to teach this.
Adam Mizner is not the only one teaching this skill. There are others who don’t teach it as openly as Adam. But far fewer than in the past.
No. Mizner is nothing but a scammer. I've challenged him last year and he blocked me after seeing 1 of my video. You should wake up to reality.
@@BoxingForTheStreets nobody knows who you are, so, there you go.
@@dingosmith9932,
This nobody can definitely put Mizner in a hospital, thats for sure. So, there you go.
@@BoxingForTheStreets Carry your torch and let him live rent free inside your head but buddy, you'll never no, nobody, you'll never know ...
@@dingosmith9932,
Mizner is a charlatan. That's a fact and there's nothing you can do bout it.
Wing Chun is an internal art. Those [most WC sifu's] who claim otherwise don't understand true Wing Chun. Wing Chun is more "wedge" than ball. Both Tai Chi & Wing Chun share many traits, but Tai Chi is more of a defensive "ball" [peaceful art]; whereas Wing Chun is meant to be direct.
Most who teach either don't understand the many hidden applications: they use a hammer to pound a screw. Both require humility, faith, and contemplation.
The Wooden Dummy form indicates Wing Chun is meant to utilize internal techniques such as pressure points and softness. Sadly, most practice WC with ego which defeats the purpose. The most important part of Wing Chun is "acceptance" of force. Pride prevents true Wing Chun AND Tai Chi.
Fill the sail [flesh] with wind [chi]; for the unseen drives what is seen. Focus over force; energy over movement; specificity over power. Stop marveling over the limp sail and learn to gather what is within. Chi is Spirit. But Spirit must be mindfully directed by intention [mind]. The Spirit is the "wind" gathered in the sail [flesh], but the MIND is the TILL/RUDDER of the ship [vessel/body] which directs.
Ip Man understood this truth. So did many Tai Chi masters. Movement RESULTS from intention. Empty force is meaningless, like a sail without wind. Look within, not without.
However, one must have the Chi or proper energy to use it. A teacher cannot give what a student doesn't already possess. Each man has unique gifts [chi] which must be set in order. True internal martial arts are INTERNAL. Learn to wield oneself before "mastering" [dominating] others.
Tai Chi is the art of the peaceful man. Wing Chun is the art of the few: the warrior. Both inform each other.
Why do you lie?
@@chriskennedy2298
Liars only fear truth. The fact you need to protest a random comment shows your nature.
Mizner is nothing but a scammer. I've challenged him last year and he block me after seeing my video. You should wake up to reality.
@@BoxingForTheStreets
I wasn't speaking on Mizner. I know little about him. However, I know Wing Chun and Tai Chi are effective if understood. The problem is most don't understand their art.
@@hiddenpathwingchun5045,
I was responding to chris kennedy.
Adam is an amazing Sifu and highest taichi level in my opinion. I like these two videos of him as well:
th-cam.com/video/XuW4UfaC-l8/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/M6LtFhDQri8/w-d-xo.html
Enjoy them everyone..
There is only a hand full of people in the world who no real internal wing chun. So u really need to understand an art before you say wc is no good. If ever u come across a real wc practioner .then you will no. And yes adam is extremely talented. So both good.
Yes, I practice Wing Chun. I agree only a few people understand it internally.
Sorry, not impressed.
Mizner is nothing but a scammer. I've challenged him last year and he blocked me after seeing 1 of my video. You should wake up to reality.
@@BoxingForTheStreets Likely everyone would ban you after seeing your pitiful video. Post it, mouth boxer.
@@TheBuddyShowWorldwide,
Come down to Austin and I'll show you how old cow.
@@BoxingForTheStreets Sure you will, boy. All hat and no cattle.
Yes. He's teaching doesn't work in real life. That's for sure. Lot's of delusional followers over here.
Look up Nima King mindful wing chun for these principles applied in wing chun.
The thing is, if you apply these principles successfully to Wing Chun, it becomes Taichi. It is not Wing Chun anymore.
Another Chi illuminate. It doesn't work like that in real life.
Had you ever been even slightly touched (=real life experience) by Adam Mizner you wouldn't speak like that ...
Yeah right.
@@thierryguth2567 I bet he "touched" you. Didn't he?
@@bilbobaggins4403 Did a seminar with him
He's simply devastating
On such videos you see him just floating people around
@@thierryguth2567 People who have no intention of hurting him. Lol. How much was the seminar?
Wingchun also sucks unless you're Emin Boztepe
Bozetepe looked like an absolute beginner in the only real fight he took part in 😂
yeah Adam M is amazing, testimony not just to the logistical end pt of bio-physio' aspect more so power innate in all humans yet inaccessible to most due as much to 'mindset' as lack of general practical knowledge. I have studied WC under various lineages, although when it comes to an equivalent of Adam then I would say the 'relaxed force' (Nim Tao) principle of 'Sigung Chu Shong Tin' and his key student Jim Fung are the most worthy equivalent.
No. He's a fraud.
@@lionsden4563 I had to suss out your channel assuming you to be just another 'troll' trying to pick a fight so was surprised to find you have plenty of kudos regards to MMA. My advice to you is to suss out esoteric (internal) arts before you slag them off as you obviously have an extreme exoteric (external) martial art skillset (someone like Mike Tyson is an example of extreme exoteric mastery), although the full capacity of the human vehicle should not be underestimated when it comes to delving deeper than the egoic hyper analytical and competitive boundaries of mind. You could become an example of high 'balanced' achievement (exoteric and esoteric in harmony ultimate compassionate warrior) and overcome the macho insecure killer instinct which has been and still is responsible for the darkest side to our shared humanity. The beauty of martial arts is that as you advance you are able to truly become a pacifist i.e. you overcome your fear and hence your need to assert your dominance and competitive need to control others due to fear of not being in control of yourself. Our true nature is not fettered by ignorance and fear, it is formless and boundless. Peace to you!
@@DrFrankenskippy,
No. Adam Mizner is teaching garbage. He should just focus on his meditation.
This is garbage.
th-cam.com/video/TqalmuxUKII/w-d-xo.html
@@lionsden4563 ... ha ha well I'll give you one thing, the dude trying to give you his 'learned' take in this vid' has a killer 'stache, he could use that to effect as a psychological tactic to bemuse the opponent ;-) .that is a perfect 'stache kudos to him for man-grooming.. but that aside, you are missing my pt completely. I am 55 yrs of age well beyond my want to compete and test myself in martial arts. I can relate to MMA so don't get me wrong, it did not even exist in my early full contact sparring days of yore. Most of my martial arts has been 'striking' arts although I am also not stupid to wrestling having delved into Judo and the more brutal (non sport) side of wrestling and also short to long range (old school) weapons. So when I look at the pt's the 'stache dude is presenting it is clear he has never tango'd with anyone of significant 'esoteric' prowess as his analysis is very convoluted and caught up the ass of 'technique' whereas true internal power has nothing to do with technique i.e it is absolutely contrary to it ... it represents 'principle' geared expressions of total spontaneity which can be soft as a feather one mo' and like a hurricane the next (you cannot play chess with the wind). The only true way to facilitate and harness inner/esoteric power is to have surrendered all notions of self and that is not to say inner power does not occur prior to fully rediscovering that core presence, although it certainly cannot be reached by hyper-analytical exoteric breakdowns of power that is beyond the 'nuts & bolts' side to our humanity. Talk about fraud, this guy is fraudulently assessing esoteric principles he clearly has no experiential savvy with.
@@DrFrankenskippy,
Stop speaking in cult's tounge mate. It's not healthy.
Adam Mizner's teaching is garbage.
th-cam.com/video/E5HAjBkvBLY/w-d-xo.html
nonsense
😂