@@vinceguilliamalipio8338 Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ), Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ). *They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.* *Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.* 1991 Pistons: *Dennis Rodman HoF ( age 30 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).* *Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.* *Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.* However, Lebron fans claim the Pistons were old when Michael Jordan defeated them. Lebron fans always have a double standarts. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
It’s ridiculous we know everyone’s opinion, Stephen a smith always says MJ, Perk says Lebron and Max always brings up the Longevity vs Highest Peak Argument
lebron left the cavs because he did not have a championship contender around him, mj was already given pippen grant john paxson bj armstrong phil jackson, mj didnt need to leave.
magic : if lebron gets 5 it’s hard to say he won’t be over taking jordan . this was 2 months ago . when lebron won your statement is a old one lol . please stop !
@Adel Masood Rahman he got every team he played on a chip. Unlike mj. Mj went to the wizards and didn’t even get them a winning record. So that already let’s you know that Lebron is more valuable. Mj isn’t versatile at all. And he had so many fake retirements it’s ridiculous. So face the facts and move on
@@kingchriistiian6757 this is the dumbest take ever lol, you do realize mj stopped playing for like a year or two then went to the wizards. Also mj did all his stuff in 14 seasons while lebron still hasn’t overcome him in stuff at 17. There’s levels to it and mj is ahead and it’s clear.
@sincere Williams Like AI said they must’ve forgot 💯 In the 2000’s it was MJ vs Kobe. Now they act like Kobe was just alright lmao. Real hoopers know wassup.
*Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).* *Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).* Lebron James feasted in the weak East. Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury.
wait a minute. so to not be a LeBron hater, I have to love him? I personally DON'T LIKE HIM and I have on-the-court (flopping, boring (but extremely intelligent) playstyle, crying to refs) and off-the-court (cherry-picking social justice activities, calling himself the goat, joining or creating superteams, supporting potential human rights violation before proper research, which ends up being funny) reasons for that. That does not mean that I do not, objectively, put him as the 2nd greatest to ever touch the basketball. Am I a hater according to you/your definition?
@@bartphilips2222 no the only person I can understand saying better then Lebron is Jordan I think ole goat James better tho that’s just me and why do u say creating super team this isn’t the 80 people wanna play with other good people
@@Jdub3amigo on one hand - you're right, on the other - he's had a special status since the day he was drafted, which means he can be more efficient in forming these "superteams" or joining them. if you add the huge help he gets from the league management (refs decisions, other weird situations like draymonds suspension) you end up with a very sad picture. in my humble opinion he's great, he's 2nd, but he's also been carried, not only by his teammates.
I think Lebron is a phenomenal player!! He is the greatest of his era. However growing up and watching MJ, MJ is the goat hands down. why are All these Lebron kids nowadays are all running around wearing Michael’s shoes!
I like that take, but I could argue the same for LeBron. And only reason I say that is the team failures fall to his feet, but the successes are always questioned. P.S. Jordan is still the GOAT
first take got a lot of content and different topics for the next 5 years about lebron and Jordan😂🤦🏻♂️ there is no comparisons between Jordan and Lebron even if Lebron win 7 rings Jordan will always be Jordan and will always will be the best player that ever touched a basketball
I'll just say this and remember LeBron had to change teams 3 different times to win his rings. Michael Jordan didn't he won all his rings with the Chicago bulls and he earned Everything he has. Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T. always will be
Bro he already had Pippen. Pippen one of the most underrated players of his position. In the 90s having 2 stars meant you would at least get to the finals. Bulls just had the best cast with their two stars so they was above everyone else.
@@JC-db7so Did Lebron get a Pippen type drafted on the Cavs??? Has Lebron not helped guys like Kyrie and AD become winners like Wade helped him??? Oh I thought so. Lebron has helped players find their inner killer just like Jordan helped Pippen. People don’t realize Pippen wanted to be like Magic so that’s why he was more about being a playmaker and not a scorer. He cared about the team over his own stats. That’s why I hate when people bring up his scoring numbers. The triangle was perfect for how he approached the game and that’s why he became a all star in that system.
@@rileyfreeman1531 idiot. AD was already great in a bad team. You lebron recruits them for his personal gain. He bolts out of the cavs and form his superteam. Plus he is juiced up. Nba looks the other way.
Jordan won defensive player of the year ( in a league where the award was dominated by big men), mvp and scoring title all in the same year . How many defensive player of the year awards does Lebron have? Zero zip
When I think of goat I think... -Clutch -Killer mentality -Feared by others -Insane scorer -Changed basketball as a whole/Known around the world -turned a bad team into s good one -do I need to go one you know who it is
I agree but u have to admit he didn’t turn the team around by himself his Gm helped by bringing in Phil Jackson and players like Scottie pippen When lebron was drafted to Cleveland he had the same amount of success it’s just the Cavs didn’t help lebron with a coach or a team
@@JACKYBWOII yeah but it is still relying on management to do their job Lebron was waiting for them to build around him that’s why he didn’t leave sooner but after 2009 he knew his time their was up because they failed 6 straight years to put talent around him
Jordan faced 3 superteams in the east during his career bird and the celtics Bad boy pistons and Magic with penny and shaq. He has a record of 2-6 against those teams.
KP: Bron played against more Hall of Famers... Bron also played with more Hall of Famers as well.. I guess we sweep that under the rug!! BTW: if we really be honest, Jordan had played harder competition!! It not even close
If you face LeBron in the Finals... you actually have a chance of winning and beating him.. If you faced Michael Jordan.... you were gonna lose. That’s it.
MJ is the GOAT of all time 5 MVP´s regular Season 6 MVP'S FINALS... The Best Scorer Ever: Michael Jordan Won 10 Scoring Titles While Basically Playing 11 Full Seasons, More and more reasons... MICHAEL JORDAN THE KING OF BASKETBALL EVER
because he faced the most competition in an era consisting of players with refined skillset. the rest in mount rushmore are mostly and simply ahead of their time.
@@wisechoice8 stop the cap he out of all top-tier superstars of his caliber played with the better the teams except for the 2007 Cavs. The physical and mental aspects of the game belong in the ’90s only a few have mastered the art of the mid-range. MJ and Kobe!
@@pranav2270 in the regular season but not in the playoffs! Two things you need in the playoffs are a post presence and midrange when the three-ball not going in!
there is no debate. only one stayed with his team the entire time and lifted them to greatness. he never jumped from team to team trying to take the easy path to greatness. period
Dallas beat defending champions kobe lakers in playoffs that year, it was also lebrons first year on that team. Kawhi and clippers this year showed how important team chemistry is
@@justinnguyen1395 D Wade sans Lebron James defeated Prime Dirk Nowitzki in the 2006 Nba Finals. But with Lebron James he lost to Dirk Nowitzki in the 2011 Nba Finals. *D Wade= 26- 7- 5, FG-54%.* But Lebron James stil lost even with that help. The Mavs were weakened, Peja Stojakovic was injured and did not play against the Miami Heat in the 2011 Nba Finals. He played very well against the Lakers in the second round of the 2011 Western conference.
Always chose the guy that is willing to die on the court and not sit himself down or look for scapegoats when times get rough. Hint: don't choose the guy with 6 Horrible Finals losses.
Perk: Lebron played against more HOF Also disregarding the fact that LeBron by the end of his career would have played with more HOF than Jordan…the irony 😂
Michael Jordan had the entire package... - Southern blue collar upbringing - Handsome and from a great family - Beautiful game on land or in the air - Very well spoken, not tatted up, dressed nice
Without even mentioning any accolades, just skill for skill, Jordan has a better Footwork, handles, post game, midrange game, FT shooting, rim finishing, lockdown D, help D, clutch, leadership. I mean come on.
Even jordan sayed that he is lucky that he didn't go against hakeem no one in the bulls can guard hakeem you know hakeem averaged 33 point against the magic and they doubled team hakeem with shaq guarding him i repeat SHAQ guarding him
@@errorerror5851 is nba about the playoffs? last time i checked all dem dude play for championship. love lebron but got swept twice. aganst spurs and warriors. just saying
Lol what 😂. Using your logic the same should apply Jordan who was never injured aside from his second season. Shut up idiot. U act like everybody was just injured in the 89’s. Dummy
Perkins: “LeBron is going against hall of famers” Like Jordan didn’t. Only difference is, Jordan stopped a lot of Hall of Famers from even winning a ring.
@Benjamin Netanyahu LeBron is a great player because of his influence on other players, but Jordan had the mentality that LeBron will never have which makes him the GOAT.
How? He achieved more in less time, he was better on both sides of the court and became the player with the highest ppg during one of the lowest scoring periods in NBA history.
@@jaasonjones4419 people now will never understand the greatness of Jordan because they never saw him(maybe at the end) and it’s hard for them to think someone was greater than Lebron.Brons great but the nba feared Mj and if you don’t believe it watch TH-cam and listen to other players said
He's a Lebron d rider that's how, have you noticed the amount of Lebron d riders on tv the last 3-yrs. The more they push he's better then MJ the more tv air time they get. Richard Jefferson, Rachel Nichols, Brian Windhorst and Nick Wrong is the perfect example yrs ago said KD was better then Lebron in detail via twitter, then deleted those tweets. Then became the biggest LeBron D rider then gets his own shown
When Jordan was around people used to go to his games against their favorite teams just to see how bad Mike was gonna torch them. I don't get the same exact feeling with Lebron.
*MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals.* Prime Lebron James got outscored by 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) - who played less minutes per game.
That would be a sweep of the any team they play against.BRON is a goat but he has the weak mentality compare to MJ and Kobe.I think if BRON had Kobe mental then he would be the goat
@ThreeCreators *1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain won just 31 games and missed the Playoffs despite having 3 players from the Hall of Fame.* ( LOL ). If it was Michael Jordan, old crazy heads would crucify him.
@ThreeCreators Mj is so overrated man, people act like he is the most valuable player of all time, bird magic bill russell lebron were all more valuable to their teams than mj was, bird in his rookie year led the celtics to 60 wins I think, lebron led the cavs to 66 wins, look what happened when lebron left the cavs, and look what happened when mj left the bulls.
A class by himself is true. A class of people with compulsive gambling addictions, God complexes, and an almost psychopathic need to be recogized as the best ever and forever to the point he greenlit a "documentary" about himself the day after LeBron won another chip just to remind people about himself
I'm 52. Watched them both since high school. LeBron is CLEARLY the GOAT. Jordan never even made it to the Finals without Phil. Neither did Kobe. Phil elevated their legacies. LeBron has elevated multiple coaches legacies. Its not even close.
@@leetraviusmckay2919 Being the only player...IN NBA HISTORY...with 38k/8k/8k, to average a trpl-dbl in the Finals and to lead 3 franchises to a title makes him the Greatest Of All-Time. It's about the body of work, not a single series. He's raised the bar for every Hall of Famer, statistically and with championships. And, his jersey will be retired by every team he's played for, as should happen to the GOAT.
@@filiperufino303 1988 ECFR: *JORDAN= 45-ppg FG-56%.* *Pippen =10-ppg FG-47%.* The Bulls in the second round thanks to the incredible performance of Michael Jordan. Scotte Pippen was a Rookie. By your logic, Larry Hughes carried Lebron James. Without Larry Hughes, Lebron James do not make the Playoffs in two years in a row. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
@@filiperufino303 That first round argument is non sense 3 out of the 2 years MJ couldn't get out the first round he played a 60 win team then a 59 win team Celtics with 3-4 HOFers while MJ didn't even had help and yet Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the NBA stop it
@@SmilingJack65 I agree, todays nba players just look better because the rules help them a lot, it's easier to score these days because the rules favor the offensive players, you just drive to the basket and get fouled every time and easy 2 buckets
Here we go again....
ESPN: Any other topic? NO, I don’t think so
ESPN: MJ vs. LBJ? YESS, that’s the one
And it will never end. Because Lebron James is the closest thing to Michael Jordan we have ever seen
El Dio Lebron has surpassed MJ
@@MT-eo5vy MJ > Lebron
@Incredible Vern I mean he’s the closest in terms of greatness to Jordan not play style
@Incredible Vern Magic... KD plays like Bird
Regardless of who you pick, I think we can all agree that nobody wants to hear what Kendrick Perkins has to say about this or any topic.
Lol, this is what Michael jordan die hard fans would say
Nah max and stephen a saying can never is way dumber
Agreed
@@vinceguilliamalipio8338
Post-injuries Kevin Garnett ( age 35, 36 ), Tim Duncan ( age 37 ), Ray Allen ( age 35, 36 ), Manu ( age 35 ),
Paul Pierce ( age 33, 34 ).
*They were all old, when Prime Lebron James defeated them.*
*Prime Lebron James lost to 38-years-old Tim Duncan in the 2014 Nba Finals.*
1991 Pistons:
*Dennis Rodman HoF ( age 30 ) - 2x Defensive Player of the Year ( 1990 and 1991 ).*
*Isiah Thomas HoF ( age 30 ) - All-star 1991.*
*Joe Dumars HoF ( age 27 ) - All-star 1991.*
However, Lebron fans claim the Pistons were old when Michael Jordan defeated them.
Lebron fans always have a double standarts. Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
@@allanhouston6759 that’s 2014 spies team would beat that pistons team
Anytime ESPN needs to rile up people they just bring this debate up.
Anytime you mean every day 😂😂😂
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LOL FACTS
It’s ridiculous we know everyone’s opinion, Stephen a smith always says MJ, Perk says Lebron and Max always brings up the Longevity vs Highest Peak Argument
😹😹😹😹😹😹
“Stop lying Big Boy”- SAS 2020😂😂
Steven A smith sus for that comment 🤣🤣🤣
SAS? More like SUS
AYOOOO
Kendrick Perkins literally argued against his own points LMFAO
Haha
He's as good a basketball analyst as he was a basketballer
Lmao
@@TeacherLegendary basketballer...?
Kendrick Perkins is a hypocrite
Lebron chased for his 1st ring MJ stayed to the city who drafted him and gave them 2 threepeats
He's still chasing 🤣
lebron left the cavs because he did not have a championship contender around him, mj was already given pippen grant john paxson bj armstrong phil jackson, mj didnt need to leave.
@@Amoun007 Mj still gave them 2 threepeat did he not?
@@Amoun007 He was ran out of Cleveland, and had to team up with 2 HOFer's then still lost the championship that season LMAO!!!
@@Amoun007 Excuses, excuses, excuses...he left to chase a ring
Ratings must be down 😅 y’all bring this up every other day. Let the topic rest man 😆
🤣🤣🤣 at least let lebron get the chance to play a game
Nah its closer then ever right now.
@news flash yeah because nba brought sjw Woke politics to the sport league.
1:32
@news flash I love Lebron as a basketball player, my favorite one too. But I hate him with all of his things off the court, like politics
MJ invented the goat
Magic: it's Michael Jordan and then there's everybody else
Jordan: You cant compare players in different eras
magic : if lebron gets 5 it’s hard to say he won’t be over taking jordan . this was 2 months ago . when lebron won your statement is a old one lol . please stop !
@TheRealist811 it’s the same thing . him being 5 is hard to say he isn’t over taking because he’s right there with him .
Booom
No more. There is the King now.
Kyle Lowry
Overrated
@@mendez9870 underrated
GOAT
Biiiiggggg Booooty Kyyyyle Loooowrry
@Kyle Lowry
You couldn't get pass me with the cavs
MJ the GOAT period.
@Adel Masood Rahman he got every team he played on a chip. Unlike mj. Mj went to the wizards and didn’t even get them a winning record. So that already let’s you know that Lebron is more valuable. Mj isn’t versatile at all. And he had so many fake retirements it’s ridiculous. So face the facts and move on
@@kingchriistiian6757 this is the dumbest take ever lol, you do realize mj stopped playing for like a year or two then went to the wizards. Also mj did all his stuff in 14 seasons while lebron still hasn’t overcome him in stuff at 17. There’s levels to it and mj is ahead and it’s clear.
@@travisealy3512 mj with the fake retirements 🤣🤣 so cute
@Adel Masood Rahman 1-9;)
@Adel Masood Rahman lebron too doest change the fact his 1-9 lol
The NBA Mount Rushmore is like the Jackson 5. There's Michael and then the role players.
Great comment!
might be the most factual comment i’ve ever read💯
Great point!
😂true
he never beat larry bird in a playoff game, where does larry rank here?
I think Kendrick might love LeBron more than most of us love of our parents. This dude....
Ur lame bro
@@pelicansfan8499 Thanks, bud!
@@pelicansfan8499 😂😂😂
Leshannon 🤣🤣🤣
Cash Nasty: Am I a joke to you?
“The late great Kobe Bean Bryant” Will never sit right with me man smh...
On god smh
Agreed
@sincere Williams Like AI said they must’ve forgot 💯 In the 2000’s it was MJ vs Kobe. Now they act like Kobe was just alright lmao. Real hoopers know wassup.
@sincere Williams frfr they never bring Kobe up anymore, always lebron
*Against 50-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 25-10 ), JORDAN ( 20-7 ), Lebron James ( 19-11 ).*
*Against 60-win teams in the Playoffs: Kobe Bryant ( 2-5 ), JORDAN ( 7-2 ), Lebron James ( 3-4 ).*
Lebron James feasted in the weak East.
Kobe and MJ didn"t have that luxury.
Do haters realise you can love both LBJ and MJ ?
Tell bron meat suckers that they act like he god😂
@@WhackEm1993 y’all Jordan fans act like Jordan played 6 season an he’s a god
wait a minute. so to not be a LeBron hater, I have to love him? I personally DON'T LIKE HIM and I have on-the-court (flopping, boring (but extremely intelligent) playstyle, crying to refs) and off-the-court (cherry-picking social justice activities, calling himself the goat, joining or creating superteams, supporting potential human rights violation before proper research, which ends up being funny) reasons for that. That does not mean that I do not, objectively, put him as the 2nd greatest to ever touch the basketball. Am I a hater according to you/your definition?
@@bartphilips2222 no the only person I can understand saying better then Lebron is Jordan I think ole goat James better tho that’s just me and why do u say creating super team this isn’t the 80 people wanna play with other good people
@@Jdub3amigo on one hand - you're right, on the other - he's had a special status since the day he was drafted, which means he can be more efficient in forming these "superteams" or joining them. if you add the huge help he gets from the league management (refs decisions, other weird situations like draymonds suspension) you end up with a very sad picture. in my humble opinion he's great, he's 2nd, but he's also been carried, not only by his teammates.
I think Lebron is a phenomenal player!! He is the greatest of his era. However growing up and watching MJ, MJ is the goat hands down. why are All these Lebron kids nowadays are all running around wearing Michael’s shoes!
I keep saying the same thing Jordan shoes tell it all. Nobody wearing lebron's
Lebrons shoes are pink lmao lmao lmao
It just doesn't feel right hearing "the late Kobe Bryant" 😔
Yup smh
i still got kobe over bron
@@kevinmeadows6580 he isnt all time
I take Kobe over bron🤷🏾♂️
Tf u smoking
5 chips on one team and 20 yrs on one team and not sitting out games....Kobe definitely
No way
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LeBron teams win for a reason. Jordan is the reason his teams win... 🤷🏾♂️
I like that take, but I could argue the same for LeBron. And only reason I say that is the team failures fall to his feet, but the successes are always questioned.
P.S. Jordan is still the GOAT
Here is how to settle this debate:
LeBron copied Jordan’s number.
At least Bron is his own player, Kobe copied Jordan’s Everything, except the number. Even dressed and went bald like that man
With logic like that no wonder ur not in the HOF
And boom, just like that the Bron nuthuggers go quiet, they glorify mediocrity in the sense of him being 4-7 in finals
@@ChocoAfriman Kobe is a knock off version of MJ and he’s still more skilled than LeBum. That’s sad.
@@magodtrick3166 facts but dont direspect Bron
MJ will never be passed.
first take got a lot of content and different topics for the next 5 years about lebron and Jordan😂🤦🏻♂️ there is no comparisons between Jordan and Lebron even if Lebron win 7 rings Jordan will always be Jordan and will always will be the best player that ever touched a basketball
Not gonna lie, I had to read that 5 times
MJ THE GOAT
Yes. It's not really debatable.
Yes
Perkins was LeBron’s lover for years....
When someone thinks LeBron is the goat their automatically a LeBron lover and a Bronsexual
@@fury_021 u trippin
I'll just say this and remember LeBron had to change teams 3 different times to win his rings. Michael Jordan didn't he won all his rings with the Chicago bulls and he earned Everything he has. Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T. always will be
Jordan+Pippen = Greatest era of NBA
Imagine Jordan recruited Hakeem Olajuwon on his team. Dude.. no one is gonna surpass Jordan
bars ...i was saying the same shyt lol
Bro he already had Pippen. Pippen one of the most underrated players of his position. In the 90s having 2 stars meant you would at least get to the finals. Bulls just had the best cast with their two stars so they was above everyone else.
@@rileyfreeman1531 Pippen was drafted by the bulls and he didn’t don squat until
MJ pushed him like he pushed everyone in practice.
@@JC-db7so Did Lebron get a Pippen type drafted on the Cavs??? Has Lebron not helped guys like Kyrie and AD become winners like Wade helped him??? Oh I thought so. Lebron has helped players find their inner killer just like Jordan helped Pippen. People don’t realize Pippen wanted to be like Magic so that’s why he was more about being a playmaker and not a scorer. He cared about the team over his own stats. That’s why I hate when people bring up his scoring numbers. The triangle was perfect for how he approached the game and that’s why he became a all star in that system.
@@rileyfreeman1531 idiot. AD was already great in a bad team. You lebron recruits them for his personal gain. He bolts out of the cavs and form his superteam. Plus he is juiced up. Nba looks the other way.
Anyone who's been to a game and seen both of these guys in action would never argue this. Jordan broke physics.
Michael Jordan is the best player ever down from the skill, the accomplishments, the shoes, and the influence on the game of basketball.
The skill is close because lebrons IQ and passing is Amazing
@@bigplayjay04 LeBum is Karl Malone with more help.
No, he’s not
@@magodtrick3166 how though
Jordan won defensive player of the year ( in a league where the award was dominated by big men), mvp and scoring title all in the same year . How many defensive player of the year awards does Lebron have? Zero zip
When I think of goat I think...
-Clutch
-Killer mentality
-Feared by others
-Insane scorer
-Changed basketball as a whole/Known around the world
-turned a bad team into s good one
-do I need to go one you know who it is
I agree but u have to admit he didn’t turn the team around by himself his Gm helped by bringing in Phil Jackson and players like Scottie pippen When lebron was drafted to Cleveland he had the same amount of success it’s just the Cavs didn’t help lebron with a coach or a team
@@bigplayjay04 you can use those points to support the idea that Jordan turned the franchise around because management had to build around Jordan
@@JACKYBWOII yeah but it is still relying on management to do their job Lebron was waiting for them to build around him that’s why he didn’t leave sooner but after 2009 he knew his time their was up because they failed 6 straight years to put talent around him
Add a couple more attributes to this list snd you’ll have Lebron James
You can't be in the GOAT conversation unless you 3peat. 💯
Facts
This is a team achievement Mr. Lu T
According to Lebron fans if you say he's in your top 5 players but not top 1 or 2 then you're considered a hater 🤦♀️
It’s just like saying Jordan ain’t the goat or Kobe ain’t in the top 5 so yeh it’s a bit disrespectful
@@dude-bj6yt Kobe isn’t top 5. 🤷🏿♂️
Yeah that's not hating
@@adeife2 your opinion but I can’t name 5 players better than him
Jordan faced 3 superteams in the east during his career bird and the celtics Bad boy pistons and Magic with penny and shaq. He has a record of 2-6 against those teams.
KP: Bron played against more Hall of Famers...
Bron also played with more Hall of Famers as well.. I guess we sweep that under the rug!!
BTW: if we really be honest, Jordan had played harder competition!! It not even close
@TheRealist811 his finals competition is underrated as well!! Jordan team talent wise wasnt better any of them except the blazers!!
If you face LeBron in the Finals...
you actually have a chance of winning and beating him..
If you faced Michael Jordan....
you were gonna lose. That’s it.
He had that aura that u couldnt beat him. I havent seen that in most players past or present. Hes like the ultimate videogame boss lol
Absolutely. And when have you eve heard anyone try to make the argument that the Buffalo Bills are one of the greatest all time NFL teams?
when did i play against lebron
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I still think Mj is 🐐 but I can understand 100% why people would say Lebron. Gotta respect Lbj
Exactly I thinks it’s 1A and 1B the slight edge goes to MJ but if bron wins 1 more rings he ties it but if he wins 2 more I gotta go with Lebron
@@bigplayjay04 why is MJ greater? Is it because of the 6-0?
@@eldio2124 just championships don’t make a player the greatest
Wrong are you older enough t I see jordan games live or do u watch highlights jordan by a country mile
@@karanveerdhillon7867 that’s what I’m sayin if Bron gets 6 he is the GOAT
LeBron James all he does is demand respect cries for respect the biggest joke of the NBA ever
u just mad cause you broke and ugly
@@jolie7624 let him know 😂
🍆🍽??
@@jolie7624 I bet you is too lmao don’t hate
Right, and the only thing he's the goat at is forming super teams.
Jordan and Lebron st the same table... it's just Lebron serves the dishes and asks nervosly if Michel likes how it tastes lol
lmao. Nice
MJ is the GOAT of all time 5 MVP´s regular Season 6 MVP'S FINALS... The Best Scorer Ever: Michael Jordan Won 10 Scoring Titles While Basically Playing 11 Full Seasons, More and more reasons... MICHAEL JORDAN THE KING OF BASKETBALL EVER
How is Lebron in MT Rushmore of Basketball with a losing finals record🥴 everyone except him has a winning finals percentage smh!
because he faced the most competition in an era consisting of players with refined skillset.
the rest in mount rushmore are mostly and simply ahead of their time.
@@wisechoice8 stop the cap he out of all top-tier superstars of his caliber played with the better the teams except for the 2007 Cavs. The physical and mental aspects of the game belong in the ’90s only a few have mastered the art of the mid-range. MJ and Kobe!
@@vonolds2799 and in today's what tf will they do with a mid range game ? 3s are more important now than ever
@@pranav2270 in the regular season but not in the playoffs! Two things you need in the playoffs are a post presence and midrange when the three-ball not going in!
@Just Do It both are old school type players 💯💯
I’m taking lebron over Jordan
You'd be an idiot then. Imagine taking 4-6 over 6-0
@@colewrld901 how does final record determine how great you are ? who made that the criteria 😭
@@mrrandom8310
How about MJ never chocked in the finals then ??
@@kasperrieberg3495 How about LeBron doesn’t get smacked in the first round
@@karanveerdhillon7867
But he never ever chocked like Lebron did in 2011 !!!
there is no debate. only one stayed with his team the entire time and lifted them to greatness. he never jumped from team to team trying to take the easy path to greatness. period
Until Lebron shaves his head and goes bald that boy will never be in the conversation of goat 🐐
You have gained my respect 🤝
Stfu🤦♂️
Lebron needs to be better than Kobe before he can get up to comparison to basketball Jesus.
Yep :) , Kobe was the closest thing to Jordan.
How are u a GOAT when your teammates are better than u ? Hi AD 🖐️ 😀 does your back hurt? Hey 👋 D Wade same question ❓
Troll
@@karanveerdhillon7867 fr
MJ is the GOAT! No Discussion.
Magic and Bird had better primes Lebron
Agree
Crack is to be sold not smoked
@@darryllwilliams8958 obviously you don’t know what crack does to someone lol it’s not acid
Let's just face it. The Dallas Mavericks will always be the skid mark stain on the metaphorical underwear of LeBron's career.
So true and MJ doesnt have one tbh
Dallas beat defending champions kobe lakers in playoffs that year, it was also lebrons first year on that team. Kawhi and clippers this year showed how important team chemistry is
@@justinnguyen1395 D Wade sans Lebron James defeated Prime Dirk Nowitzki in the 2006 Nba Finals.
But with Lebron James he lost to Dirk Nowitzki in the 2011 Nba Finals.
*D Wade= 26- 7- 5, FG-54%.*
But Lebron James stil lost even with that help.
The Mavs were weakened, Peja Stojakovic was injured and did not play against the Miami Heat in the 2011 Nba Finals. He played very well against the Lakers in the second round of the 2011 Western conference.
Always and forever MJ
I'll take mike or kobe before bron..
Fax
Jordan has played with 2 all Stars..
Lebron has played with 12... And who has more rings?
Perk doesn't even deserve to be called a champion he was trash lol
GOAT of GOATS JORDAN
Always chose the guy that is willing to die on the court and not sit himself down or look for scapegoats when times get rough. Hint: don't choose the guy with 6 Horrible Finals losses.
agreed, I will go with robert horry 7-0 over michael jordan 6-0 anyday
It’s really unbelievable how many times y’all talk about this 😂
Michael Jordan did a lot more in a lot less time. END OF STORY!!!!!
Can we PLEASE not compare MJ with any modern day player in the NBA? 🤦🏿♂️
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
MJ is getting dominated by a lot of the superstars in the league today. Guys are way more skilled
Yeah cause modern day basket ball is way better than before
@Bill Pap. I repeat since you didn’t didn’t here me. MJ IS getting dominated by Lebron and KD, easily.
@@ChocoAfriman did you mentioned Kd dominated Lebron 2x, or you forgot
Perk: Lebron played against more HOF
Also disregarding the fact that LeBron by the end of his career would have played with more HOF than Jordan…the irony 😂
SA said he would rather have the ball in Larry Bird's hands in a clutch moment than LeBron. FACTS.
Michael Jordan had the entire package...
- Southern blue collar upbringing
- Handsome and from a great family
- Beautiful game on land or in the air
- Very well spoken, not tatted up, dressed nice
Michael Jordan is better of course
“Lebron went against more Hall of Famers”. 😂😂
*All-Nba Players.*
LBJ"s era ( 2003/2018 ):
*East -58.*
*West -147.* ( LOL ).
Lebron feasted in the weak East.
WHO! WHO !WHO ¡WHO¡?????
I can't get enough of Steven A and Max
LeBron is in the room but there is no seats available for him at the table. Table for one baby. Jordan
This is all y’all talk about every Danmm day .
When Bron retires y’all not gone have nothing else to talk about to gross the ratings smh
Nah they’re still gonna talk about it
They might switch to LBJ vs KD
Without even mentioning any accolades, just skill for skill, Jordan has a better
Footwork, handles, post game, midrange game, FT shooting, rim finishing, lockdown D, help D, clutch, leadership.
I mean come on.
Be Clear !! Lebron NEEDS 7 rings surpassing MJ 6 rings for ANY GOAT talk PERIOD .. Kobe has 5 rings .. Lebron 4.
GOAT DEBATE IS POINTLESS ITS ALL ABOUT WHO U PREFER
LBJ was disqualified when he went to Miami.
I hate to hear Perkins talk. He wasn’t even that good of a player. He’s not an expert.
Jordan would be 8-0 in the Finals had he never retired.
Rockets would’ve beat them
Bulls would’ve been 7-1 in the finals with or without him 🤷🏾♂️ it was a great team.
@@ChocoAfriman Bulls never went past the 2nd round without Jordan
Even jordan sayed that he is lucky that he didn't go against hakeem no one in the bulls can guard hakeem you know hakeem averaged 33 point against the magic and they doubled team hakeem with shaq guarding him i repeat SHAQ guarding him
@Itachi Uchiha Hakeem had no answer for Karl Malone and Stockton ......
I'll take 10 guys before lebum
cap
Agreed. MJ. Wilt. Kareem. Russell. Kobe. Bird. Magic. Duncan. West. Hakeem.
I'll take 2
@Bill Pap. Of course not fool I have LeBron 3rd all time
Well compare to Jordan Lebron is Boring..
Jordan Basketball move is pure Art and elegance..
Lebron isn't even on the Mount Rushmore of the Lakers.
Not only MJ didn’t loss in the finals, he never got swept and we all know mj will always deliver
I see your point but at the same time, the dude lost in the playoffs 9 times. It’s no point of saying the 6-0 argument when everybody has lost
@@errorerror5851 is nba about the playoffs? last time i checked all dem dude play for championship. love lebron but got swept twice. aganst spurs and warriors. just saying
@@kevinace36 but your point is dumb if you want to strictly bring up lebron losing, but when I bring up mike losing it’s an excuse
@@errorerror5851 🤣 it’s not, all sports is about “CHAMPIONSHIP” not “playoffs” 🤣🤣🤣
@Error Error
I think you forgot about LeBron 6 Final lost ...
And now remind us how many final did Mj lost
Please !!!!
LBJ is no. 1.. Media just don't like lebron..
Lebron would have way more injuries if he played in the 80’s era
Dont know what ur talking kiddo, ur speakin' trash
Lol what 😂. Using your logic the same should apply Jordan who was never injured aside from his second season. Shut up idiot. U act like everybody was just injured in the 89’s.
Dummy
Perkins: “LeBron is going against hall of famers”
Like Jordan didn’t. Only difference is, Jordan stopped a lot of Hall of Famers from even winning a ring.
Good point plus he was in the aggressive days LeBron wouldn’t last
All time facts
@Benjamin Netanyahu LeBron is a great player because of his influence on other players, but Jordan had the mentality that LeBron will never have which makes him the GOAT.
@Benjamin Netanyahu Touché
0 IQ at its finest probably going to amount to being a rubbish cleaner
That time of the year where ESPN brings back the debate.
That time you mean, every week or 2?
Perkins acts like he lebron girlfriend you cant say anything against lebron he gets all upset,lol.
And JordanSexuals get mad when we say something bad about him!
@@MT-eo5vy ur a bronsexual lmao and it shows
Dude all the time! 😂🤦🏽♂️, So tired of it. I love Perk just trying to justify himself 😂😂😂
If I think MJ is the goat, I’m instantly a hater of Lebron according to Lebron fans
and if you think bron the goat you a brontard according to jordan fans
@@deshawnfilterfeed1212 nope. You're just wrong
@@jaasonjones4419 lol if you genuinely think jordan is a better player than bron you tripping
How? He achieved more in less time, he was better on both sides of the court and became the player with the highest ppg during one of the lowest scoring periods in NBA history.
@@jaasonjones4419 people now will never understand the greatness of Jordan because they never saw him(maybe at the end) and it’s hard for them to think someone was greater than Lebron.Brons great but the nba feared Mj and if you don’t believe it watch TH-cam and listen to other players said
Still trying to figure out how perkins became relevant enough to be a analyst
Yeah me to man, me too!
He's a Lebron d rider that's how, have you noticed the amount of Lebron d riders on tv the last 3-yrs. The more they push he's better then MJ the more tv air time they get. Richard Jefferson, Rachel Nichols, Brian Windhorst and Nick Wrong is the perfect example yrs ago said KD was better then Lebron in detail via twitter, then deleted those tweets. Then became the biggest LeBron D rider then gets his own shown
Don't hate. If you can debate with player perspective you good so he straight.. plus he appeals to a different demographic
Hes a substitute of ryan hollins
Please give us someone who'd avg more pts than Perk please!
Perkins is so annoying every time on this debate
You're more annoying.
How
@@danielcho2698 how
@JACQUEZ JOHNSON lol whaaaaaaat 🤣
@JACQUEZ JOHNSON * bubble chip
MJ so GOAT he had to retire in his prime so that other teams can win it
actually, he would still get 6 chips, had he not retire
No it was cuz he was a gamble Addict
@@jodhveer6007 What rubbish. Lol. He has a competitive problem. Not a gambling problem.
He would of got 8 maybe 9 in a row if he did not let hakeem have a go. Mj was another level as a winner to anyone
Soo true hmif he never gets old hed still be doing 3 prats evry decade 😂
Micheal Jordan everyday and twice on Sunday. Thank you.
Perkins just trying too bully his way on the argument.
Gotta love Perkins
F Perkins he a hater that wouldn't survive basketball in the 80s and 90s
@@rubski-ds9yc but u would??? U deluded oldhead ya niggas is lame
There wasn’t talent back then compared to now
@Nigg Naps you take 30 years of Basketball and act like these guys have been in the league at one time
I dont like Perkins and his comments.. this dude acting like LeBrons mother..
Kendrick Perkins is right on some points
Not*
He's still on his payroll u can't blame him
more like Lebron's bi*ch...
Lol that's LeKendrick Perkins for you!
When Jordan was around people used to go to his games against their favorite teams just to see how bad Mike was gonna torch them. I don't get the same exact feeling with Lebron.
Fans of opposing teams cheered for him as long as he scored 50 points, do his incredible hang time moves and beat their home teams.
That Bulls red away jersey was like the away crowds signal to show up and cheer for MJ.
*Bulls
Facts.. I went to see Michael against my Atlanta Hawks. 💯
Well true BB fans knew they were gonna see a great show and even perhaps see their team win.
For the fans that was a win/win pretty much
Why is Perkins so emotional 😭 it’s weird 😂😂😂
$$$
Facts
He's a television personality now... That's his shtick.
He loves Lebron dearly dont mock him for wearing his feelings on his sleeve
“Listen” “stop it” “come on” then proceeds to cry
MJ has done more in 13 years than LeBron has in nearly 20, this is no debate at all.
He did it in a watered down expansion era player's today are far more talented than back then even if it was more physical.
The degree of difficulty was higher for Jordan
@@ralphdadon3026 Yes.....According to you players talent in Nba decreased Xd. Better watch Kareem talking about new Nba Players and you gonna see.
@@ralphdadon3026 jordan is the goat, but this is absolutely false
@@theprodigy7002 where’s the variety of players today like the 90’s had? Where’s all the elite centers and big men for this era ?
Would Jordan had lost a finals with Wade & Bosh? Against the Mavericks? Lol.
*MJ never got outscored by a player on the bench in the Finals.*
Prime Lebron James got outscored by 6"2 Jason Terry ( age 33 ) - who played less minutes per game.
Would Phil Jackson have needed Kobe if he had LeBron for 17 years?
Jordan never carried a team himself
That would be a sweep of the any team they play against.BRON is a goat but he has the weak mentality compare to MJ and Kobe.I think if BRON had Kobe mental then he would be the goat
@@jerrythealien9106 Check your facts.
2:28 Perkins: "It's a team sport"
2:45 Perkins: "How about the individual accolades?"
He said it as I read this comment 😂
LMAO! I love it when his brain can’t handle it either.
@ThreeCreators
*1962/63 season: Prime Wilt Chamberlain won just 31 games and missed the Playoffs despite having 3 players from the Hall of Fame.* ( LOL ).
If it was Michael Jordan, old crazy heads would crucify him.
@ThreeCreators Mj is so overrated man, people act like he is the most valuable player of all time, bird magic bill russell lebron were all more valuable to their teams than mj was, bird in his rookie year led the celtics to 60 wins I think, lebron led the cavs to 66 wins, look what happened when lebron left the cavs, and look what happened when mj left the bulls.
@@dynamic6645 if LeBron is more valuable, where’s the 6 championships to prove it
LeBron is the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Alex Caruso aka the Bald Mamba
🗣😆😆
Kyle Lowry
Idk i think danny green is better than caruso but lebron isnt on their level
So kobe is the best because caruso gets his name from kobe🤔
Kobe is the greatest
How many of you skipped when perk started talking? 🤣
I didn't care what he said
I thought about it but sadly I didn't.
Present...that dude house a mouth of noisy goose
I didnt. Was the best part.
It was moronic at its worst to be honest with you.
When jordan was sick with flu he played his heart out that is a warrior wanting his team to win no matter what thank you Michael
It was food poisoning
@@jordansanders9818 even worse lol
He was hungover Scottie Pippen said it himself real “goat” like, gambling addict too lmao at least Bron can say he’s a model citizen.
@@mcflurry1583 Bron model citizen. 😂 😂😂😂 Big moth princess Bron even put himself in trouble with the Chinese government. Shut up and dribble. 😂😂
ESPN’s go to topic is the goat debate when they run out of ideas
And your go to thing is to click and watch.
I've had the pleasure of watching them both and Jordan is the GOAT
A class by himself is true. A class of people with compulsive gambling addictions, God complexes, and an almost psychopathic need to be recogized as the best ever and forever to the point he greenlit a "documentary" about himself the day after LeBron won another chip just to remind people about himself
Most that pick Lebron never watched MJ. Figures.
I'm 52. Watched them both since high school. LeBron is CLEARLY the GOAT. Jordan never even made it to the Finals without Phil. Neither did Kobe. Phil elevated their legacies. LeBron has elevated multiple coaches legacies. Its not even close.
@@oroebuck if lebron is the Goat what happened in 2011 finals when he finished averaging 17.8ppg
@@leetraviusmckay2919 Being the only player...IN NBA HISTORY...with 38k/8k/8k, to average a trpl-dbl in the Finals and to lead 3 franchises to a title makes him the Greatest Of All-Time. It's about the body of work, not a single series. He's raised the bar for every Hall of Famer, statistically and with championships. And, his jersey will be retired by every team he's played for, as should happen to the GOAT.
James won 3 of his chips with a super star studded team Jordan stayed in one team that he turned into the great team they were.
Horace Grant, Steve Kerr, Toni Kokoc, Dennis Rodman, Scottie Pippen, John Paxton, Stacey King, Craig Hodges
@@prod.sah1l all good roleplayers, one star player in there in scottie pippen 👍🏼
@@RobboYT 3 star players excluding rodman
@@prod.sah1l who? steve kerr? 😂😂
@@RobboYT no lol Grant Kukoc and Pippen 💀
If lebron win 10 championship michael Jordan is still the GOAT in my eyes.
agree lebron lost to many in the finals mj is 6-0! nuff said :)
@@oriondx72 he also lost 3 times in 1st round without Pippen
@@oriondx72 He got there though
@@filiperufino303
1988 ECFR:
*JORDAN= 45-ppg FG-56%.*
*Pippen =10-ppg FG-47%.*
The Bulls in the second round thanks to the incredible performance of Michael Jordan.
Scotte Pippen was a Rookie.
By your logic, Larry Hughes carried Lebron James.
Without Larry Hughes, Lebron James do not make the Playoffs in two years in a row.
Lebron"s fans are mostly casual.
@@filiperufino303 That first round argument is non sense 3 out of the 2 years MJ couldn't get out the first round he played a 60 win team then a 59 win team Celtics with 3-4 HOFers while MJ didn't even had help and yet Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the NBA stop it
MJ no doubt. If MJ had the sports science of today and the general new methods of training and recovery... it's scary to think he'd be even better
if he played today against these athletes who are better he would only get 4 rings
60 inch vertical MJ
@@Scrapeboxkid These athletes who have to dance around each other? Yeah, okay, sure. MJ would make fools of them with these rules.
@@SmilingJack65 I agree, todays nba players just look better because the rules help them a lot, it's easier to score these days because the rules favor the offensive players, you just drive to the basket and get fouled every time and easy 2 buckets
@@Scrapeboxkid😂😂😂😂
I want Michael Jordan everyday, and 2 times on sunday - stephen a 🤝
Facts and Kobe also
💯factssss
@@Amigofix jordan, yeah? but Kobe? Nah.
why is perk on the show dude literally makes no sense every single day
Lol why cause you didn’t agree with him saying Lebron was the best?
He brings no value to the show at all its ridiculous
frrrrrrr
Your ok with max tho?
No kidding. lmao I’d rather listen to Paul Pierce.