Feeling Prime! | Beast Wars: Season 3 Three Review / Retrospective - Bull Session
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- “In a word? Prime.”
- Optimal Optimus, 1998
We're back with the conclusion to the Beast Wars chapter of this Mainframe Entertainment retrospective series. Time to take a look back at Beast Wars / Beasties Season 3!
Beast Wars Beasties - Season Three Review Retrospective Thoughts and Analysis by Bull Session
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Beast Wars Season Three, October 25, 1998
Starring Garry Chalk as Transmetal Optimal Optimus Primal, David Kaye as Transmetal 2 Megatron, Scott McNeil as Transmetal Rattrap, Dinobot II, Waspinator, and Silverbolt, Ian James Corlett as Transmetal 2 Cheetor, Venus Terzo as Blackarachnia, David Sobolov as Depth Charge, Colin Murdock as Quickstrike, Campbell Lane as Rampage, Lee Tockar as Ravage, Alec Willows as Transmetal Tarantulas, Blu Mankuma as Tigatron, Pauline Newstone as Airazor, Don Brown as Scorponok, Richard Newman as Rhinox, Doug Parker as Terrorsaur and Starscream, Jim Byrnes as Inferno
Based on "The Transformers"
Developed by Larry DiTillio, and Bob Forward
“Nemesis Part II” Written by Simon Furman
Executive Producers Christopher Brough, Ian Pearson, Stephane Reichel, Steven DeNure
Produced by Hasbro, Mainframe Entertainment, Alliance Commun ications, Claster Television, Limelight Productions
Distributed by Hasbro Studios
Related works include: Beasties, ReBoot, ReBoot The Guardian Code, Beast Machines, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, Transformers Car Robots, Transformers Prime, Transformers Animated, Shadow Raiders
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Beast Machines. Hate it? Love it? Lemme know!
The funky new designs really appeal to me - the look of the show overall is great. Emphasizing the spiritual/philosophical themes make it distinct from Beast Wars in ways that both hurt and help it. Storytelling-wise, there are some major missteps but it's still pretty interesting/entertaining overall.
It was... strange, none the less, i guess i kinda like it now as nostalgic fact, but as a kid, don't really liked it
My favourite transformers show
After Beast Wars... didn't enjoy it all. It was just kinda meh to me.
Actually the spark torture does hurt Dinobot 2. It's just that Dinobot 2 enjoys the pain.
The thing that always struck me rewatching this show as an adult, is the complexity of Depth Charge and Rampage's final battle. When I was a kid, I never understood why Rampage let go and stopped trying to stop Depth Charge from killing him. But the reason is...He won. Depth Charge was so consumed by hatred that he had become a monster himself, and in that sense Rampage had gotten what he wanted. So he just lets himself be destroyed, laughing maniacally. Stuff like that is why this show will always be a classic.
That's how I love yet also hate how he died: why must he be so satisfied with the end of it? Poor Depth Charge.
That fight scene is almost exactly like the 1990 Hong Kong Wuxia movie "The Swordsman", as Depthcharge's spinning lunge with his energon sword is a classic wuxia move.
Dude that is epic🤟
Rampage and Depth Charge are pretty much Batman and Joker of Beast Wars I feel
Why universe hate Waspinator...
Because it's funny...
lol
waspinator is happy at last
Funny that the universes Waspinators live in seem to hate him, but in our universe, we love him. I guess it depends on which universe.
I've always had a theory that the Vok were inserted by the writers to represent "Hasbro". For one thing, they're always screwing with the protagonists, their characterization varies depending on the season, they create the overpowered Tigerhawk only to barely do anything with him, and they're killed off with very little fanfare. To me, I feel like they were Mainframe's attempt to poke fun at Habsro's creative insanity when it came to this series.
Wow, this is my new favourite Beast Wars Theory.
Thanks! Glad I could come up with your new favorite theory. Honestly, I just thought it up on the fly while watching your video. Before this, I never made the connection that Vok was kind of like Hasbro, until I heard them uttered together in this video. I may have to expand the theory into something larger with an obligatory Reddit post. :D
As Mr. LaBeouf would say... Do it!
Coming from the same people who mocked the censorship team on Reboot, i'd be shocked if they _weren't_ mocking Hasbro with the Vok.
I thought the Vox were Quintesons of some type
According to David Kaye, Alec Willows made everyone unconfortable when voicing Tarantulas
But what do you mean by uncomfortable? Like how did he make them uncomfortable
But what do you mean by uncomfortable? Like how did he make them uncomfortable
@@GioGioPietromica425Simply because the character is just that creepy
@@colonyomicron6560 ahhh the good kind of uncomfortable lol
Effective acting
13:00 Black Arachnia was a maximal prodoform REPROGRAMED as a predacon however dinobot was born predacon in every way possible
That would have been awesome, Rattrap trying his best to reprogram Dinobot but ultimately he could never do so, And just accept the facts that his friend is gone for good, I WOULD OF LOVE IT 100% COMPLETELY!
Right?!
It's funny how Airrazor and Tigertron had little impact in North America but how these minor sidelined characters actually forced the Japanese distributors of the show to explain LGBT relationships. You see in Japan Airrazor is Male due to them not wanting girls on their show for younger boys (Cooties I'm assuming) but by the end of the show there is no getting around that the two have a romantic relationship. In the west it's no big deal since it's a minor romance, but Since Airrazor is Male overseas...well you get the picture.
Actually, they didn't KNOW Airazor was supposed to be female until it was too late.
@@mitchfletcher2386 How could they not have known though?
Interesting fact. I only remember how they changed some of the characters' gender in the North American dub of Sailor Moon (e.g. Zoisite to a female to avoid depiction of Zoisite and Kunzite in a homosexual relationship as in the Japanese version). So I do wonder why there was a bigger outrage with japanese Beast Wars compared to Sailor Moon. Edit: perhaps it has something to do with the characters being villains instead of heroes, after all they kinda pulled the same thing with Reboot, where more villainous characters like Hexadecimal and Mouse were OK to be very sexual)
We gays gotta get our victories where we can.
@@leparraindufromage366 it was the audience . Sailor moon was for girls so that was okay. Transformers is for boys which makes it a bit more complicated
I think Dinobot 2 was the only transmetal 2 look that I liked out of the new cast. All the designs felt too busy and the asymmetrical for the sake of it concept is not something I cared much for. Why did Dinobot 2 work for me? I think the skeletal look probably fit well with the idea of a 'back from the dead' Dinobot.
Moral of the story Hasbro . . . Don't start production on what you want until you know it's the choice you want to make. If you just want Toy Commercials then "JUST DO THE COMMERCIALS" instead of dancing between business and creativity.
Leveler well they wanted money
what moral? They made buttloads of $$.
@@brandonvortex995Lickboot (Tom & Jerry): "We've got to have money" 😁😉.
They repeated that crap with the War games and Prime
@@robotx9285And Animated before that. Nothing ever changes…
These Reboot and Beast Wars retrospectives have been great. Both shows were a huge part of my childhood and still hold a special place in my heart today. Your enthusiasm for the shows really comes through in the amount of time, effort and research you've obviously put into these videos. More than just a fun walk down memory lane, I've also learned a bunch - and I thought I knew all there is to know about these shows. It feels like discovering these shows all over again. So thank you, from one fan to another!
You're very welcome :) These shows were my absolute obsession when I was a kid, and I don't think they get enough credit nowadays. It's been a total blast revisiting and learning even more about them through researching these videos!
@@BullSession Have you heard of the cancelled sequel to Beast Machines Transtech?
@@BullSession Season 3 could had used some improvements in the writing and wasting characters like Tigerhawk and Dinobot 2. I wish Dinobot 2 was able to leave with the Maximals back to Cybertron. It could had made Beast Machines a little more improved. And if you don't think so, I have some fair arguments I can give.
I can promise u that Dinobot II and w/e story potential he brought with him wouldn't be anywhere near enough to salvage B.M. for those who don't already like the show. + i'm sure there's a # of reasons why he wasn't included.
Also, I don't understand why u feel the need to tell Bull that S3 couldve used better writing and that it wasted characters, when he just spent this entire video talking about those things
@@benjaminfenn3700 Because it bugs me on how seasons 2 and 3 were too short. Their still good. But it always pissed me off when they would waste something. I am not trying to say these people were stupid or not knowing what they were doing. But I do feel something could had been done. I see this alot in movies and TV shows. To be fare, they could had been rushed. As for the Beast Machines, I could make a whole large presentation on how things would had been so different and so much more amazing if Dinobot was part of that cast on Cybertron. And I would like to see a remake of Beast Wars (DONE RIGHT) that is. I heard some rumor about but I am not sure if it is real or not.
Airazor is like Zelda from Twilight Princess. Both are interesting concepts for characters, but unfortunately they lacked depth due to little screentime. Like, the idea of a Zelda who is really mournful and remorse filled princess when captured who turns into a badass who actually helps Link after seeing his bravery and selflessness is a great concept, unfortunately she was in the game like 3 times, and airazor is a confident and sort of sassy character who's also really kind and the bridge between the maximals and tigatron, which is a fun character, but once again she wasn't in the show often enough and even when she was, didn't do much.
as a kid I never saw anything wrong with Beast Machines, I was just happy it was a direct sequel to Beast Wars and I wanted to find out what happened to Cybertron and how everything went to hell when the Primals returned!!! can't wait for the Beast Machines review
ughhh, Beast Machines was so terrible. Hated the redesigns and the toys. Thanks for all these videos though, it is great to learn what was going on behind the scenes and the (really dumb) reason why they never had more Beast Wars, even as a kid I was super confused why there wasn't a proper ending to that final episode it just felt like it was supposed to go on.
I don't really think they could have continued Beast Wars anyway, it had sort of run its course and things had progressed so far, where would you take it from there? What they should have done is indeed gone back to cybertron, but then _made a new show that was good._ not a direct continuation of beast wars with the same characters, but new events developing on the planet.. and then periodically go back and see how the old maximals are doing, visit megatron in prison, etc. but keep the same good writers who had taken us this far
@@KairuHakubithere are so many issues with bm but probably my biggest gripe is it didn’t even need to exist
Season 3’s ending was a perfect wrap up to the show and would have been fine if it was just left as is
But no hasbro had to Finish off their cash cow
And successfully killed it
@@michelcoolguy1701 it's the same old story. you manage to create something amazing and really popular that blows past the standards.. maybe it's 90s WB animation, maybe 80s-90s Disney animation, whatever... then you go "hey you know what, let's completely ruin this. i'm tired of money"
2:13 there's actually an answer as to why tarantulas survived and ravaged didn't. The little weird micro spiders were shown collecting tarantulas parts so they can rebuild him and prevent his death, meanwhile for ravage all of his parts got left behind or fell off a cliff.
and why he never came back the 2nd time, cheetor destroyed them all up so they couldn't bring him back
It's still a huge plot hole thoh, because it begs the question. If you're in pieces like that where is your spark also in pieces?
@@austinharding9734 idk, beast wars is really weird about that.
It's Ravage.....
@@truckercowboyed2638 it was probably autocorrect or a typo
I loved the line before Tigerhawks death, "no, but it is my destiny to try"
Wish season 3 was just a smidge longer. Then we could've gotten a few new characters like Ramulus & Spittor.
Even if the episode where Ratrap upoaded Dinobots memories into Dinobot 2 happaned it would not explain the memories of Code of a Hero (which happened after the upload). The only real explanation would be that somehow the destruction of Rampage allowed the spark of the original Dinobot to take control of the body.
Wow, that's true. I hadn't even thought of that... unless the backup he made was more like a cloud account that performs remote automatic updates haha
Rhinox was able to get Optimus Primal's spark out of the Matrix in season 2 due to the transwarp explosion. My headcanon is that Rampage's indestructible spark being destroyed (a somewhat unstoppable force hitting immovable object situation) created a similar hole to the Matrix that allowed Dinobot's spark to enter the body as Rampage's left.
Don't worry about it, Beast Wars is a hot mess of a show anyways.
Too bad Beast Wars was just made to sell toys, because it was a great show, with great potential. I hate that it was cancelled & replaced w/ the dreadful Beast Machines. I would've liked to see the Beast Wars in space. I'm sure they would've explained the Vok more. And I believe Dinobot couldn't be reprogrammed because he wasn't a Maximal protoform.
Dinobot never had a shell program. He was truly a predacon. That's why he struggled with his loyalties so much.
Loved Beast Wars during Transmetal Season 2, then back tracked to season 1. Great story and character development.
But Beast Machines Uuuuggghhhh was TRASH!
I think Hasbro told them “Let’s copy off The Matrix” kids would like that crap.
Beast Machines was not TRASH nor CRAP!
Everything you say is wrong!
@@humangirl2122
I'm twice the man you are!
Keeping with the period and style, could you do a retrospective on Disney's Gargoyles?
YES YES YES YES YES
Don't you mean. Yesssss
Oh....YESSSSSS.
Now that'd be an interesting undertaking! But you know you'd eventually have to tackle The Goliath Chronicles.
Heh, wish granted.
When they brought the transmetal drive, I had so many questions for it XD
"At least it's not another cliffhanger" *Shows Megabyte* god damn it :l
I wonder how the hypothetical season 4 would have gone... loved these retrospectives, watched all 3 rapidly, very enjoyable :).
my theory is the shell program was a creation by Tarantulus to prevent protoforms from returning to Maximal origins. Dinobot wouldn't have it since he was Predacon "naturally" as natural as a robot can, and not tampered with. Blackarachnia is essentially still herself she just doesn't have random bouts of negativity. It always seemed that her desire to be Predacon was a tad unnatural as she doesn't really like ANY of them. Literally She can''t stand them. From Waspinator's annoyance and later crush, to Tarantulas's mind games, to Megatron's foolishness and ego, to Quickstrike's possessiveness (though not as possessive as Tarantulas) They drive her nuts.
That makes so much sense. BA is the first recipient of one of those programs, and Tarantulas clearly wanted to make a mate for himself, so of course he'd try to program in some inherent longing to remain on his side.. and then by the end he's not even really a predacon (or even alive) anymore, so whatever lingering hold is there is reduced to just clinging to the artificial program.
Also I just now realized that Inferno is the only other guy to actually receive a shell program, despite Tarantulas having them at the ready every time a pod fell. It FELT like a bunch more got used, but the rest of the new preds just got pressed into service. And Inferno sure did end up loyal, although he's so scrambled it's hard to tell what the program contributed.
The second and third seasons of Beast Wars were known as "Beast Wars metals" in Japan, they even had a manga adaptation that expanded a bit more on the lore.
the manga was basically a bizarre AU story. I would have loved a prequel to that manga
Also the intro in Japan was definitely something lol
What was the manga about?
If I remember there was a theory going around that Dinobot 2 was essentially a more advanced drone (like those cyber Raptors) rather than a living transformer proper, which is why he doesn't seem to have much individuality but is also immune to the torture that Rampage suffers. He basically wasn't alive at all until Rampage kicked the bucket.
It's a little sad to be reminded what Canadian entertainment (and Entertainment in general, I suppose) was the last century compared to what we get now.
*cough* ReBoot *cough* Guardian Code *cough*
Didn't think I'd ever wish for a return to toy sale mandated cartoon production as opposed to Netflix style subscription based entertainment. Turns out having suits dictate how to run a show gets better results than tossing it over to someone who makes it his very own vanity project, gained via nepotism in the first place. Go figure.
Man I can never grasp how shows could be such slaves to toy lines. I never had any desires for toys outside of hot wheels or transformers which stopped way before beast wars started and I got my genesis and desire to draw.
It’s simple: the toy companies are the ones funding the shows. If they don’t sell toys, they don’t get paid. If they don’t get paid there’s no money for the show. Therefore the show has to do what the toy company thinks will sell toys.
@@magnusprime962 This and not to mention that toy companies were huge in the 90s. People don't really talk about just how much of an influence companies like Hasbro, Mattel, and others had on the market.
Cheetor Transmetal 2 managed to express all the animal aggression that we have never seen in the series (maybe who knows, inspiring a little Leobreaker and Optimus LinkUp)
In addition to Feral Scream, the arrival of Tiger Hawk and the conflict between him and Nemesis also gave me scenes that could excite me throughout my adolescence
Blackarachnia & Silverbolt's romance was one of my favorite elements to seasons 2 & 3. :)
I love beast wars it was so awesome and such a great show in my opinion
Hell yea, one of the greats. That's why I had to make all these videos about it!
Bull Session indeed
To me, the WORST thing about season 3 was Optimal Optimus being depowered and losing to Megatron like Glass Joe to Mike Tyson.
INSULTING. B(
In realism's defense, BW Megatron was most likely enhanced by G1 Megatron's spark, which explains why the battles between them didn't end up the same way as the S3 premiere's, where Primal was enhanced by G1 Optimus' own spark.
Shame to hear how much Hasbro messed with the show towards the end. Beast Wars Season 3 should’ve been longer or gotten a season 4. Not only to flesh things out with a better set up finale but also to allow it to reach 65 episode goal needed to be syndicated on most networks.
I think tigerhawks limited appearance worked well for the more mystic feel of the character
So transformers go through puberty that means Optimus prime or Orion packs went through puberty that is so weird to think about.😖
It seems to be on a per individual basis. I mean, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt are both younger that Cheetor, right?
Well the G1 cartoon established Orion Pax was a Megatron fanboy till the deception attempted to kill him and Elita-1. Maybe that was his brooding teen phase
Hasbro give us the awkward teen Optimus Prime voice crack compilation
I never got to see the toys even in commercials living in Poland at the time, even less actually think about themes/plot in how as effect of some toy company motives. You opened my eyes to so many thing my head hurts ;-)
Yup, the power toy sales had over a lot of these shows was nuts
Are you sure? I saw some Beast Wars toys at the monthly fleamarket at Lublin's oldtown this year. I'm sure you could buy them at Toysrus atleast.
'Hasbro as some kinda invisible boogie man',... You mean they aren't?
Beast Wars as a whole is one of those Classic 90s shows we don't get anymore. It took it's audience seriously and took risks(... Shame we never did get Dark Glass), Oh beast machines.... Beast Machines, Beast Machines, Beast Machines.
i mean, on one hand we wouldn't even have beast wars if it weren't for hasbro. But on the other hand they messed it up a lot by not having their shit together and having way too much narrative control.
I don't know about nowadays, but back then I totally get that they were nervous about a repeat of G1 happening where after around three seasons people lost interest. They wanted to move the brand along to different things. It just so happens that the thing they moved onto was Beast Machines, which is... a lot to talk about.
Bull Session you have my sympathy sir.
Actually, the reason why they couldn't do that to Dinobot was because of the difference in Dinobot and Blackarachnia's circumstances. Dinobot was made a Predacon from the start. There was no shell program that made him one, he just was. It was a part of his code, his programming, and couldn't simply be undone. Blackarachnia, however, was a Maximal protoform, originally with Maximal programming. Now instead of simply completely overwriting said programming like with Inferno, Tarantulas instead installed a shell program, which overlapped Blackarachnia's core Maximal programming with her Predacon programming. As such, it is much simpler to make her a Maximal by simply removing the shell programming. As for finding her disappointing, I honestly would disagree. While original Blackarachnia is a very interesting and complicated character, due to her conflicting nature between her Predacon nature and the new Maximal traits gained from exposure to Silverbolt and the others, it also got tiring seeing what essentially was the same inter character conflicts that plagued Dinobot, considering we already had seen it. Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia honestly felt like an improvement, as she was still largely herself, just no longer selfish and cynical but warmer and more playful. It felt like what Blackarachnia would be like without the Predacon traits. *Shrugs* I might be alone in the opinion, but I do think she was better as a Transmetal 2, and it annoys me that her new self had so few episodes.
"He even kept a picture of BlackArachnia in his bedroom, which is a little weird."
To be fair, who didn't keep a picture of BlackArachnia in their bedroom?
Honestly
I think that BA is overrated tbh.
Well... that's just _prime._
I feel you missed the whole story of Black A vs Dinobot. Dino changed
his allegiance of his own accord, where as Black didnt. Black was afraid
of losing who she was and is why she didnt want the shell removed.
Like Dino she could have changed sides at anytime but once the shell was
damaged and had to be removed she was reluctant because she know once
remove she return to her default state, which as a Maximal but she didnt
know if her personally would remain. She was reprogrammed to be a pred
but didnt know if it was just her allegiance that was hacked or if her
personality was also part of the shell too. That is why there is a vast
difference in her story vs Dinobot. Dino choose his role. Black was
signed one via hack and didnt know how deep it was.
Almost has not had filler episodes, unlike the first season that is bigger than the second and this together. One small problem is that you did not see a new guy dominating the scene for a long time. In the following episode where Megatron becomes a Transmetal 2, Tiger Hawk appears. And in the next episode, Tiger Hawk is destroyed by Nemesis ...
On the one hand, we enjoyed the beautiful Megatron Transmetal 1 for a longer time (which in the end was the nicest of the three), on the other hand, was rushed like the whole season.
Even as late as it comes, I love the Feral Scream episodes, and the way Cheetor's transformation is handled, being treated almost like a werewolf kinda thing. And the fact that it does solidify that Cheetor is growing up over the course of the series, something that will continue in Beast Machines.
Honestly, I understand and accept that Beast Machines was not as good as Beast Wars, but I still enjoyed it, and I don't think it deserves the demonization people give it - sure, some characters' ended up a bit differently than people expected, but it wasn't exactly unjustified. All the huge character personality shifts are entirely defendable within the context of what's happening to them in the show.
In addition to Silverbolt, Depthcharge was another one that tempted me to abandon my loyalty to Rattrap ...
1.I do consider 'Dark Glass' cannon, makes me feel better.
2.I remember loving 'Beast Machines', looking back I think the fact it felt like it was a continue of the story and characters I was familiar with really made me feel connected to it, hope this might show to some why it was remembered fondly at least by my memory.
IT IZ CANON WHY CANT YOU NORMIES GIT IT RAIT
no found memories for season3 as I either assume singapore has never got to air season3 on local channels, or I probably wasnt aware of the schedule.... but Beast machines on the other hand..... yeah, they did show it and I actually got confused at first not knowing I missed an entire season3 leading up to it lol. can't wait for the beast machines review.
I hear a lot of countries missed out on some of Beast Wars due to censorship issues which weren't a problem for Beast Machines since it's a lot less violent.
Hasbro does love to intervene. Look at every show animated.
Yes I do know about R.I.D 2015
Beast Wars 2 had a tanuki character, so it's basically guaranteed to have some redeeming value.
Even though airazor isn't as good or interesting of a character as blackarachnia, I really liked her and tigatron's relationship a lot more than the silverbolt and blackarachnia's, despite it having less screen time. I think the characters just had a lot more chemistry together and more in common, plus it was just fuckin adorable. It also had a really tragic turn in season 2 and a pretty interesting resolution in season 3, even thoug I wish tigatron and airazor actually was on the show more. Silverbolt and blackarachnia's relationship just feels a little weird and kind of creepy, that and they don't really have much in common as well, although crossing the Rubicon was really good.
I remember being 4 and really resonating with Tigertron and Airazor's characters. I was a kid who hated conflict. It really goes to show the broad appeal of the show for a wide audience.
I never had the time to watch Season 3. I'll have to check it out now that I've seen this! Also geeze! I leave for a little bit and come back to a bunch of vids! Its awesome!
You've totally gotta watch it! Hope you enjoyed the videos :)
@@BullSession I have been! Thanks so much for so much content!
"It ain't a love triangle. It's a love line segment along with one very ambitious point."
--Kitty, _No Evil_
What always confused me about cheetor is why he was younger than the literal protoform maximals? Were the protoforms designed to emerge as a certain age so they could work, or were they reincarnated sparks or what? I'm leaning towards the former though. As Cheetor was born in the normal way maximals are born whatever that is, it may have happened close to the Axalon incident.
@@janetplanet4595 I always wondered about that.
As a cynical adult, I'd wadger the IRL answer is 'he's the kid appeal character'. I still don't know what the narrative answer would be.
Ah yes, Beast Wars II (Actually called Beast Wars Second in Japan, for some reason. I mean, why use the roman numeral II if you're not actually going to call it II? Japanese names for shows are weird) is a show that I watched a bit of. I think I mostly watched it cuz some of the characters I liked, that and the movie where Optimus Primal travelled through time to team up with them. The shows weren't terrible, but they weren't great either. Though Beast Wars Neo did bring up the single worst name of a Transformers villain ever: Magmatron.
I watched one episode a few years ago, but I wasn't interested in continuing. It seemed like sort of a generic kids anime. I read the crossover comics though; those were pretty cool
I have to agree with the Maximals, those Transmetal 2 designs were so ugly! The return of the goofy humor really didn't work for me either in season 3. If only we'd gotten that Dark Glass episode. I'd love it if it was made into a direct to DVD movie or something. Instead we got yet another goofy filler episode with the Preds acting like fools and the Maximals saving the kiddies again. I also wish Inferno and Tarantulus had stayed dead after the end of season 23 as both characters were given little to do in season 3. As funny as Inferno was in seasons 1 and 2 he was also pretty bad ass in a fight but by season 3 he was barely above Waspinator.
Its true, Inferno gets nerfed hard in Season 3 haha
I really liked Dinobot II’s Transmetal 2 body & Blackarachnia’s as well. Cheetor looked downright villainous, makes me wonder if Hasbro & Mainframe considered making him switch sides at one point.
Yeah I liked Dinobot 2 actually.
TM2 Megatron and Oprimus were pretty awesome. With Primals definitely better than his TM form and I even prefer it over his original beast form. Maybe because it was a more conventional looking G1-like Transformer.
For Megatron TM2 is better than the TM form but I am not sure I like it more than his original beast form. The beast T-Rex mode was awesome, but that dragon mode was really bad-ass. So I would call it a tie.
Dinobot TM2 was not bad. Although not as good as the original Dinobot.
For the rest I would probably agree with you.
Although even the worst TM1 and TM2 modes were a lot better than the crappy designs they got in Beast Machines!
I can't remember off hand but wiki said the vok is related something from the G1 comics and they now protect the timelines or something like that.sounds like a recon to me and you do know alot of the lines from the covenant of primus is actual lines from the bible
They were a non sentient villain called The Swarm in G2. They were devouring everything and Optimus sacrificed himself to it. Consuming him and The Matrix made The Swarm sentient and it became The Vok to atone for the damage it caused.
@@zeroattentiongaming820 BINGO!
@@zeroattentiongaming820 They also brought Optimus back to life in a new body based on his G2 Hero toy. Prime's resurrection was, as he put it, "a parting gift".
Slag the high Council - depth charge
This season was clearly the victim of Hasbro interference. Tarantulas, the Vok, Megatron & others were clearly being set up for much darker arcs.
As for the Driver, I think that was fairly alright as the macguffin. Megatron already had a stash of alien trinkets alongside the Alien Disk in the first two Seasons, so it makes sense that he would have something like this. As for its upgrading/resurrection powers being ‘silly’, I don’t see how it’s any more ridiculous than the Planet Buster’s quantum surge. These pieces of tech aren’t meant to do what they do to Transformers, it’s simply a coincidence that they do (to sell toys).
As for Blackarachnia, I think her arc was fucking awful. She should have died in Crossing The Rubicon. Not in the operating table (though that scene should’ve been kept), she still should’ve shot Rampage to save Silverbolt & then died in his arms.
Cheetor’s arc was awful. Hands down.
Really is a shame what became of Beast Wars and the disappointment that was Beast Machines which I hope you'll do a review on soon. That being said I would still look a modern take on Beast Wars as I said on Part 2.
I loved this show when I was a kid, thank you for these reviews
You're very welcome.
I wouldn't say Beast wars has had few references since, I'd argue most of the western TF sequals since have continued to use BW's templet for story and character development to heart. Animated for sure.
6:55 I thought that was chris from Sonic X 2003 - 2005
This is kind of an anticlimatic end for Beast Wars, but I'll still give it a shot when I get more time.
Hey, think you might do a retrospective like this for anime? Like Sailor Moon?
I think its probably only a matter of time before I get to anime
I always have theory that tarantulas might be quentesson descendant
Me to, this make more sense and explain why he hates the vok how resemble the Quintensons
exactly, and the i suspect the tripredicus council also a quintesons descendant too, think about it why would they wanted
to stop megatron where they could agree to join him in the first place and help him bringing out the uprising of the predacon forces
@@brandonvortex995 they could of make season 3 longer up to 26 episodes to see what they look like
BM to me was like Spider-Man Unlimited was to Spider-Man. I just couldn’t get into either. So I just stopped after a couple episodes. Guess the charm from their predecessor didn’t carry into it. Dinobot was my fave. To this day I think about that Dinobot 2 toy I saw at TRU and wanted so bad, but who knows? Maybe I can get it now online?
A very fun video yay! I actually finished watching Beast Wars for the first time ever near the end of this summer. I really loved the show! It's hard to say if it's my favorite Transformers show cause Transformers Animated exists and I love that as well.
btw where did u get that HD footage of Beast Wars? I'd like to get them so i can make uhhh memes lol
I'm glad you liked the show! It's amazing how something like this that's been off the air for 20 years still manages to gain new fans. This footage is ripped from an Australian DVD release of the series made by a company called Madman. The sets are expensive, and hard to find now, but the DVD set put by SHOUT! Factory in North America is perfectly good quality also.
Ah thank you kind sir! Hopefully one of these days i can watch Beast Wars in glorious HD!
I really love Beast Wars and its legacy
I'm happy this was in my suggestion feed to subscribe too a while back, I've been waiting for this uploading, yeeees
Yeeeeessss!
16:07 Depth Charge seems more like a stand-in for Dirty Harry than anything else.
That's a fair comparison, yea.
He Is Very Much A Maximal Equivalent To Harry Callahan
Bully Sesh, I have had tons of fun watching this series. You did a great job capturing the greatest facets of this show's run.
Preteen me found the Cheetor-Blackarachnia relationship weird...it was awkward to watch.
It is definitely very awkward to watch, yes hahaha
Awesome review. Mainframe had an incredible run in their prime. It's sad that they never kept making incredible kids shows into the 2000s and beyond. I wonder what happened?
From what I understand, there were financial troubles. Don't know for sure though. Spider-Man was probably their last really good television show unless I'm forgetting something.
I think it had a lot to do with cost. Back in the 90s right up to the mid 00s, CG was infinitely more expensive than traditional forms of media due to the primitive nature of the medium. To an extent it still is, Star Wars The Clone Wars in particular had a budget of well over £1m per episode. Mainframe’s reputation for completely computer generated shows, alongside the sheer cost of ReBoot & Beast Wars, despite their runaway success, probably made funding them a risky venture. You could sink millions in & then the show might flop.
It also has to do with changing media landscapes. Around the time after Beast Machines, more mature shows like Beast Wars or ReBoot just didn’t have the same sort of cultural impact. To an extent I believe Beast Machines to be responsible for that. The last vestige of that era I remember is Code Lyoko, which was hurriedly wrapped up in its 4th season. Since the mid to late 00s, children’s media has predominantly been centred around goofy, completely lighthearted shows that don’t colour too much outside the lines. Even praised shows like Adventure Time, Gravity Falls etc feel much more restricted in what they can show than Beast Wars. Were Beast Wars to launch today, with updated visuals & sound design, I doubt it would’ve been as successful as it was in the 90s.
Bull Session Are you considering looking at some of their later, less successful shows, like Max Steel and Action man in the future?
they made a couple stinkers with really mundane subject matter as I recall. You can't go back to 'a radical human that does amazing stunts and fights crime with his athleticism' after freakin robot wars and the secret life of computer programs.
I can still remember watching season 3 on TV when it first premiered. Beast Wars was still in syndication at the time, but by the end of the season 3, the TV rights were purchased by Fox Kids. Beast Wars reruns then aired exclusively on Fox Kids, and this is when the Beast Wars censorship took place. The planning and designs for Beast Machines had to be cleared by Fox's BSNP, which steered the plot and fighting quite a bit (such as Tankor having a physical missile launcher count on his internal displays, but being unable to launch them).
Despite the odd character personality changes and broadcast standards, Beast Machines did get strangely dark at times. I watched it enthusiastically as a kid, but did feel kinda cheated by the ending, and how it affected Transformers mythos. Rewatching it as an adult on the DVD releases, I felt it held up a little bit better than I remembered, but I still cursed it as being an inferior follow up to Beast Wars, especially since it so drastically altered the cast we came to know and love. Had the concept of Beast Machines been done with an entirely new cast, perhaps we'd view it differently.
Its true. The show has its high points for sure, but its really unpalatable what they did to all the characters. The censorship is also definitely a point of discussion.
I always even as a kid took Megatron's line as an insult to Tarantulas but I do like it being why he wasn't worried about paradoxes. Yeah I actually felt that if they left Blackarachnia dead it would have been stronger impact and the shell program makes sense but the series much like other series with sentient robots they aren't sure where the level of tech goes in terms of free will. I like to think of the Japanese Beast Wars as the answer to Saban's version of Kyatto Ninden Teyandee aka Samurai Pizza Cats. Over all I felt season 3 was the best in terms of humour but nothing will match seasons 2's amazing depth of characters. Going to miss your retrospective almost as much as the show. Good humour and wonderful use of interviews. Yeah I ended up hated Beast Machines. The only character I liked from BM was Megatron right around the time the show came out I was growing allergic to nature like tress and grass [still am] so the idea of a purely metal world away from the green made Megatron a hero to me.....but he did pretty much rip souls out so yeah not really able to like anyone in BM.
Hahaha! My wife is the same way with grass. She's allergic to it, so it grosses her out so much. Maybe I should have her watch Beast Machines with me :P
Bull Session It couldn't hurt. Is she also weirded out/ confused when people gush about the raw "beauty of nature"?
No no, she loves nature haha. She just hates being near grass after its been cut, or after it just rained.
Bull Session guess I went to fair in my mad at my allergens.
6:58 to quote Pan Pizza "He didn't pull that out of his pocket, he pulled that out of his ass."
I assumed Megatron got the drive, off screen, during the two part Other Voices when he got control of the Vok's ship possibly during the downtime Primal was knocked out and Rattrap was making it back to base with Tarantulas. and knowing Megatron he probably kept it unused until he could figure out how to make it work, plus given that he was preparing for Cybertron to send someone during the events of Agenda it's not to hard to believe he prioritized dealing with THAT issue before figuring out how to make the transmetal driver work. Which, after the events of the Agenda and Optimal situation he finally had time to work on and experiment which lead to the cyber raptors and eventually to Dinobot 2
I subbed because of the beast war and reboot videos. Well done sir.
Beast Wars season 3 is alright but must other maximal characters have to die at the end of the two part episodes finale😥 and they still haven't bother to find all the Statis Podsthat has landed/ crash on earth since the last episode from season 1. Yet none of the Maximal and Predacons try to find where they all are since Tigertron and Airazor were kidnapped from the Alien since then from season 2?🤔
loved this series on beast wars by the way man! i think itd be cool to see you do a video on beast machines also :)
It's happening!
Gotta say, I wish that "girls only club" episode had gotten made. Not for girl-power clichés or anything like that, but because I find it odd that the only two female characters in the show rarely, if ever, interacted with each other.
What great series
What next
Beast machines
OH NO 😱
haha, not a Beast Machines fan I take it?
Bull Session not going to lie but like about half of it, other half wasn’t worth the rewatch value
I would love Beast Machines Retrospective.
I'm looking forward to the Beast Machines retrospective because I hated the show.
I really liked Evil Rhinox.
Where'd you get a subbed version of Japanese Beast Wars?
Update: Might've figured it out!
Great video. Yeah, not as strong as season 2 but still good. I remember the series fondly, though quirks might big me a little more these days if I rewatched it more recently.
Dinobot didn't have a shell program, he wasn't originally a Maximal protoform.
Am I the only one who thought t2 megatron robot mode looked silly because of his face? It just looks out of place to me
Wait wait wait...Cheetor had somewhat of a love triangle thing with Blackarachnia and Silverbolt? How do I not remember this....I do remember Cheetor getting on my nerves alot and Dinobot & Rattrap being my favorites. Up until Beast Machines where Cheetor was my favorite due to his unique and sleek design.
I too didn't know there was a whole love triangle plot with the three but yeah Cheetor gets a whole new motive and design in beast machines
Kids wouldn’t be scared if Dark Glass was made, I mean ‘not enough action’ they can have Megatron and his group attacking Rattrap for reprogramming Dinobot 2, And near the end of the Ep, Before Rattrap can do so after putting him down Dinobot 2 destroys it ending the episode in a sad note, & Maybe a message for kids, Sometimes you could never have what you wanted.
I can't say I hated it but it definitely was a letdown after Beast Wars. Some of the character twists were completely out of left field and seemingly done just for shock value. And although I appreciate the idea of merging the technological and the organic it was pretty mediocre in its execution in my opinion
TheThoughtful Critic I’d agree.
Beast Machines is, to me, the cartoon equivalent of The Last Jedi. Technically it’s a well made show, it subverts your expectations, it greatly changes characters through darker events than their pasts, but it just isn’t satisfying because it’s all done purely for the shock value. Difference for the sake of difference rather than any story development.
@@tsukopara2054 what part of Last Jedi was well made? 😂 oh yeah the lightsaber duels...
But here's the real question: Will you do the Barbie direct to video movies?
Kidding. But seriously, do Action Man, and maybe MTV Spider-Man
Haha. You wouldn't believe how many requests I get to do the Hot Wheels movies. Spider-Man is happening for sure, Action Man will probably happen as well.
thats just prime!
Inferno was getting so outdated that I even forgot that he was the badass of the first season
So you are doing Beast Machines next? Cool, I look forward to it. As a kid I didn't like Beast Machines much. I found the character designs a bit ugly and without the comedy I grew bored from the complete serious tone. However that was when I was a kid. Now as an adult I can appreciate what they were going for. While I still don't agree on some of the decisions made for the show I have found that I can enjoy the show.
I didn't like them making Rhinox evil, I hated that they took away Waspinator's happy ending, I didn't like the designs of the Maximals but I did like the desings of the Vehicons. I also didn't like how Megatron acted, he almost felt like a different character. However I decided to chalk that up to Megatron going insane and it did make him an extremely dangerous villain. (He took over Cybertron basically on his own.)
What I did like was that the show took place entirely on Cybertron and was a dark and serious series. I originally didn't care for it but now I like it. I kind of wish it did well enough as I am certain Hasbro had wanted, especially now after I had learned about the original plans for a sequel series to Beast Machines called TransTech. I wonder how that show would have been like if it got made.
Speaking of Beast Machines and what if it had succeeded. You know how we haven't really gotten a Transformers series set entirely on Cybertron instead of earth? I always see fans ask why we never get something like that and I am certain the answer has something to do with Beast Machines failing
(I know there is the three web series combiner wars, titans return and power of the prime with Optimus Primal returning in the third series but while all three of those web series took place on Cybertron none where considered that good. Funny that every time transformers gets set on Cybertron the series isn't liked and fails.)
That's a good point. I dunno if its a correlation or just a coincidence... I've always prefered versions of Transformers that take place mostly off Earth (I include Beast Wars in that)
Another top notch review nailing everything I felt about the show when I too was part of the targeted demographic 😀 Liked and shared again! Looking forward to a Beast Machines review. That little tease of the drum n bass intro music has me hyped! I'm so remember Beast Machines making me feel very conflicted
That intro music from Beast Machines is so rad. I've had it on my ipod for like 10
Awesome. A time for season 3, as my Rebels season 3 dvd arrived yesterday. Starries and Beasties received by generations of fans very similar.
Megz having the use of the Nemesis, and his disposal of Inferno and Quickstrike( reminiscent of the Ewoks and the Storm Trooper heads) laid seeds for Beastmachines. Dinobot's betrayal/saving the Maximals and Autobots must really have changed his mind, as he had just mentioned a glorious era of Predacon rule. Wondered if Blackarachnia didn't touch the conduit/Rattraps tail. could the arc have flown again.
The video's really cool man. Cracked up at Prime saying boobies and 'now those are what I call' boobies. Reminds me of Kickback going take that, Autobot booby.
Hell yea! I've never seen either of them, but I hear Rebels isn't as good as Clonies
Clonies :D Very like the reception to Star wars Prequels after the orig trig ( Mr Sunday) and Transformers sequels. Rebels tried to pick up Clone Wars and Darth Maul which I liked, as Beast Wars revived G1 plot, characters, Starscream covert agent Ravage, ojimoi. I asked my family is that transformer speaking Russian and they told me you can't tell the accent, glad I'm not alone.
Thought Beastwars was dead, jumped ship from Transformers quick enough, they just wern't available here in Ireland
Oh and Megz channelling Julius, awesome reference. My Brother told me when Depthcharge was tied to the tree as bait for Were- cheetor it was reminiscent of Dog Soldiers.
oh yeah beast machines was a lot better then I remember it, it's been some time but that show had it's moments for sure.
For sure. It's definitely a mixed bag... Gonna be hard navigating that review without pissing off people on either side hahaha
That would just end up making things more entertaining ha
I love how the upgrades came later as each became that much more meaningful! All felt like it shared a true purpose beyond just toys..kinda sorta...
edit: He finds that device off screen!? Damnit I don't remember that, I loved season 2 and 3 so much I guess being oblivious to the toys calling the shots made me enjoy every minute of it not seeing the behind the scenes shenanigans!
I never thought of it before but Cheetor's and Silverbolt's rivaling actually extends through to Beast Machines.
they should remaster the series. keep all the same dialog and just reanimate everything shot for shot
Don't know if it was meant to be a tease, if not, may I suggest doing reviews on the 90s Xmen and Spiderman series? Once you're done with the Mainframe series that is! Keep up the good work!
That's certainly one I've toyed around with!
Great review. BTW, Beast Machines doesn't exist. Cheers! : )