You know not all 30 where scrapped 2 have survived on CPKC 7206 and 7216? I know that 7206 is stored in a warehouse in Canada, owned by the railroad as the unit sets as they’re still in talks with the museum. The other one is still serving as a part source however has been put aside for now.
6 SD80MAC's from PRLX were acquired by Canadian Pacific to be used as parts donors for their SD70ACU rebuild program. Canadian Pacific at that only completed 30 SD70ACU's. There still is surviving SD80MAC's in storage at PRLX. Only the units that had the most mileage and/or problems with them were the ones getting scraped or taken apart for parts. There was 29 SD80MAC's sold to PRLX by Norfolk Southern. Years ago when CSX owned 13 of the units, 1 was scraped because the frame was severely damaged in some wreckage. That's why 12 of them went to Norfolk Southern after the trade deal involving CSX getting more SD40-2's in return while Norfolk Southern already owned 17 SD80MAC's.
@@Slim_Slid Is this info (SD80 survivors) still up to date? I don’t just want to see Conrail Historic Society get one to preserve, I also want to see one used as a test bed for future locomotive builds. But most sources I’ve found say they’ve either all been scrapped, or placed on the list to be scrapped.
It'll never happen,the EPA has killed any chance of that ever happening again with their standards and compliances. If the SD80MAC's had stayed longer,if the SD90MAC's & AC6000CW's were reliable,they still would've been retired because of stricter emissions tests.
Technically, the prime mover of an SD70ACe is the same as that of an SD70MAC. The emissions compliance features were mostly added on externally from the actual prime mover. The Brazilian-sold SD80ACe has those same emissions upgrades as the SD70ACe, and is (at least) Tier-2 compliant. They just didn’t try selling it here for some reason. The market for such a design was certainly there (cough, SD70ACU, cough), but EMD never bothered to try it. The extra hood space on the SD80/SD90 design might actually be helpful for Tier-4 emissions equipment. They just need to get their 1010 prime movers to be more reliable. As for the SD90s and AC6000s, their productions ended because UP and CSX learned (from the units they got) that 6000 hp, 6-axle diesel locomotives were far too powerful. The torque they produced was so strong, it was known to damage track and break couplers (Buccaneer Railfanning here has another video in this series explaining this for the AC6000s). So, even if either EMD or GE had figured out a way to make emissions-compliant versions of the SD90 or AC6000, no one would have bought them. I feel this realization is likely why EMD was so pessimistic about marketing the SD80ACe in North America.
Extraordinarily well done video, thank you. When I started with csx in 2010, a guy I became close friends with told me his favorite locomotive was the sd80mac, it was like an obsession for him, and he was the first one that I ever heard use the term "cadillac" for those units. I got myself into the cab of numerous EMDs, GEs and when I finally got to experience the comfort of the sd80mac, I was blown away, our csx train on that trip had a Canadian sd80 on the point, with a coffee maker, and microwave on board, I had warm food for once. That was when I fell in love with that locomotive type, not to mention the seats, it was like cruising. But yeah again, thank you so much for the video, you did and amazing job on it, and I highly enjoyed this. Best video discussing the sd80mac I've seen. Also, I had heard csx was peeved at one point with ge because ge promised the ac6000 would make a certain amount of power on delivery, and that wasn't the case when they got them. I can't swear to the accuracy of this, but my buddy told me, ac6000 was a lie. Maybe someday I'll get to know the truth behind that lol
It really is a shame that there were so few 80macs produced. From the ones that were built it was shown they were incredible units, so it’s sad that so few railroads gave them a chance
I’ve been told a few times and idk if it’s true or not but the 80MACs performed better than the 90MACs in terms of performance and etc I’ve also been told they pulled like absolute mothers when they got them 5k ponies going.
Conrail was literally the only railroad that owned SD80MAC's. They only ended up with Norfolk Southern and CSX because of the split/shut down.Later on,the dozen SD80MAC's were given to Norfolk Southern ensuring that they owned every surviving unit because CSX wanted to get SD40-2's in return from them. The CNW would've had several SD80MAC's if the Union Pacific takeover didn't occur.Those orders were canceled because Union Pacific had no interest in them since they were getting their deliveries of AC6000CW's and SD9043MAC's. Yes,the SD80MAC's were much better.The SD9043MAC's were just convertibles,but the real 6,000 HP SD90MAC H1's & H2's were an epic failure with the 265H's.
Chicago Northwestern had ordered a batch of SD80MACs, but they merged with UP before the order was ready. UP cancelled the SD80 order, and replaced it with additional SD90s on top of what they had already ordered. I think UP made a slight mistake there, given how destructive 6000hp locos turned out. The odd thing is that EMD chose the SD70MAC’s 16-710 prime mover for the convertible SD9043MACs even though the far-more-powerful 20-710 prime mover from the SD80MACs was already in production, and would have been a much better backup. Idk, the SD80MAC was better.
Enjoyed this man thanks for your hard work! I remember seeing these things brand new on the Chicago line near Cleveland Ohio when I was a kid. I also love the picture you got of 801 in bright future paint I’ve never seen that one before she was glossy😎.
My Uncle operated most of the 80Macs before he retired in 2019, even the two demonstrators, he told me loved them and I did too, this is a great episode, absolutely incredible!
I've never seen this series before but with this being my first episode and having some big names that I also watch like Trains21, AmtrakGuy365 and others it is amazing! Great job and keep up the amazing episodes
I got hired in the Conrail around 1999 and was lucky enough to ride in an sd80 mac, and it was what they said was, a whisper cab. After lots of time spent in a gp38 and a gp40 not to mention sd60m's, it truly was an absolute Cadillac. I also had a chance to ride in a sd90 Mack new unit from Union pacific. The salt took place at Walbridge near Toledo ohio.
My favorite “modern” locomotive. More powerful than an SD70MAC or SD70ACe, but not as excessively (and destructively) powerful as an AC6000CW or SD90MAC. The forgotten sweet spot for locomotive output. And also just a gorgeous, incredible looking design to look at. I always keep an eye out for used, low-price HO models of CSX 801 (4591), which was the only SD80MAC to ever feature the pretty YN2 scheme. I grew up near Plant City and the Valrico Sub near Tampa, and I got into trains when I was 4 (2004). I (vaguely, yet distinctly) remember seeing the SD80MAC/SD70ACe configuration very early on, and recognizing it as an alternate version of the GE “heavyweights” as I called them (big, safety cab, 6-axles, giant flared radiators). These memories ever so slightly predate the existence of the SD70ACe, so I can say confidently that I did (probably) see at least 1 CSX SD80MAC in my childhood. As of this post, I am finishing my degree in mechanical engineering, and plan to go into locomotive design, preferably for EMD. Aside from bringing back the sweet curves of the E6A/E6B for passenger service, my main goal in said career is to look back into that 5000hp output of the SD80MACs, and hopefully bring it back.
Didn't know conrails cadilac costed 1 million dollar plus back then. Sad I've never seen an SD80MAC when they were in service. But would it be possible for EMD/PRLX to build one fresh?
6 SD80MAC's from PRLX were purchased by Canadian Pacific to only be used as parts donors for their SD9043MAC's that were being rebuilt into SD70ACU's. Any surviving units are still in PRLX storage,and others that had extensive hours/use on them were scrapped.They never will be rebuilt,the only chance at prolonged usage is if they become exports like certain amounts have.
The key thing is that the frame (and most of the car body) of the SD80MAC was reused in the SD90MAC, so any rebuild programs for the SD80 would be virtually identical to those that have been done to the SD90 (such as the SD70ACUs). It’s a lot of frame to work with, so it has potential for (at the very least) experimental designs.
Same. I’ve been loosing faith in NS eversince finding out this along with some of the truths of their own reputation, only to loose more after the East Palestine accident. That totally destroyed my trust in them
It really is kind of crazy how the technology and all is right there for EMD to continue making the SD80 family for the US, but just doesn’t. The SD80ACe uses the same electronics and emissions control as the SD70ACe (and same initial Tier-2 rating), but they never even attempted to advertise or demonstrate it in the US or Canada. It’s as if they got scared from the fallout of the SD90MACs and GE’s AC6000s, and didn’t take the risk. It’s a real shame that they didn’t market the SD80ACe, too. The SD70ACUs are, honestly, proof that the market for the SD80ACe did actually exist here, and multiple railroads would have been willing to order them.
Un dato curioso es que algunos sd80mac junto a unas sd70mac de csx fueron arrendados a ferromex en el 2011 trabajando en la zona guadalajara pacífico casi siempre apoyando por el distrito tepic 👀
Yo solo los conozco por video pues vivo en Argentina y aunque nunca estuve de acuerdo que un locomotora tenga mas de 16 cilindros tengo que decir que estos sd80 mac me enloquece ver y escuchar su sonido y ver su eficiencia EMD GM locomotives maximun power of haul 💯💯
Idk actually. The main purpose the SD80s would serve on NS was running heavy bulk trains (like coal) in the mountains, and being pushers (which they still use the SD70ACUs for). To my knowledge, those kinds of bulk trains-regardless of railroad-almost never get subjected to PSR. If nothing else, 5,000 hp would actually make for an incredible DPU. Running longer trains with fewer engines is also a big part of PSR. If you put 3 engines (4300-4400 hp each) at the front (and out of necessity), but the third unit is only needed to contribute to a small portion of the load, it would likely be more efficient (and thus more in line with PSR) to just put a pair of 5,000 hp units on it and not bother running a third at all. The role of the SD80s is still out there, on both NS and CSX.
Liked no. 32! Awesome video!.. One for the archives and the ages.. I'm proud to have been a part of it!
Glad you were able to have a cameo! Maybe for future projects we’ll colab again, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776 Most def!
You know not all 30 where scrapped 2 have survived on CPKC 7206 and 7216? I know that 7206 is stored in a warehouse in Canada, owned by the railroad as the unit sets as they’re still in talks with the museum. The other one is still serving as a part source however has been put aside for now.
Where’d you find out that bit of info?
That’s nice to know
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 According to a roster list I found CPKC has NS 7206, 7215, 7218 and 7225 to 7227
6 SD80MAC's from PRLX were acquired by Canadian Pacific to be used as parts donors for their SD70ACU rebuild program. Canadian Pacific at that only completed 30 SD70ACU's. There still is surviving SD80MAC's in storage at PRLX. Only the units that had the most mileage and/or problems with them were the ones getting scraped or taken apart for parts. There was 29 SD80MAC's sold to PRLX by Norfolk Southern. Years ago when CSX owned 13 of the units, 1 was scraped because the frame was severely damaged in some wreckage. That's why 12 of them went to Norfolk Southern after the trade deal involving CSX getting more SD40-2's in return while Norfolk Southern already owned 17 SD80MAC's.
@@Slim_Slid Is this info (SD80 survivors) still up to date? I don’t just want to see Conrail Historic Society get one to preserve, I also want to see one used as a test bed for future locomotive builds. But most sources I’ve found say they’ve either all been scrapped, or placed on the list to be scrapped.
Now that technology has.advanced, it would be interesting to see what would happen if EMD and GE tried the 80's, 90's, and the 6000 again.
It'll never happen,the EPA has killed any chance of that ever happening again with their standards and compliances.
If the SD80MAC's had stayed longer,if the SD90MAC's & AC6000CW's were reliable,they still would've been retired because of stricter emissions tests.
@@Slim_Slidwell then why not tier 4 sd80macs?
@@lizggil123
You can't ask me that question because I'm not Norfolk Southern nor CAT/PRLX.
@@Slim_Slid ok
Technically, the prime mover of an SD70ACe is the same as that of an SD70MAC. The emissions compliance features were mostly added on externally from the actual prime mover. The Brazilian-sold SD80ACe has those same emissions upgrades as the SD70ACe, and is (at least) Tier-2 compliant. They just didn’t try selling it here for some reason. The market for such a design was certainly there (cough, SD70ACU, cough), but EMD never bothered to try it.
The extra hood space on the SD80/SD90 design might actually be helpful for Tier-4 emissions equipment. They just need to get their 1010 prime movers to be more reliable.
As for the SD90s and AC6000s, their productions ended because UP and CSX learned (from the units they got) that 6000 hp, 6-axle diesel locomotives were far too powerful. The torque they produced was so strong, it was known to damage track and break couplers (Buccaneer Railfanning here has another video in this series explaining this for the AC6000s). So, even if either EMD or GE had figured out a way to make emissions-compliant versions of the SD90 or AC6000, no one would have bought them. I feel this realization is likely why EMD was so pessimistic about marketing the SD80ACe in North America.
Extraordinarily well done video, thank you.
When I started with csx in 2010, a guy I became close friends with told me his favorite locomotive was the sd80mac, it was like an obsession for him, and he was the first one that I ever heard use the term "cadillac" for those units.
I got myself into the cab of numerous EMDs, GEs and when I finally got to experience the comfort of the sd80mac, I was blown away, our csx train on that trip had a Canadian sd80 on the point, with a coffee maker, and microwave on board,
I had warm food for once.
That was when I fell in love with that locomotive type, not to mention the seats, it was like cruising.
But yeah again, thank you so much for the video, you did and amazing job on it, and I highly enjoyed this. Best video discussing the sd80mac I've seen.
Also, I had heard csx was peeved at one point with ge because ge promised the ac6000 would make a certain amount of power on delivery, and that wasn't the case when they got them.
I can't swear to the accuracy of this, but my buddy told me, ac6000 was a lie.
Maybe someday I'll get to know the truth behind that lol
It really is a shame that there were so few 80macs produced. From the ones that were built it was shown they were incredible units, so it’s sad that so few railroads gave them a chance
I’ve been told a few times and idk if it’s true or not but the 80MACs performed better than the 90MACs in terms of performance and etc I’ve also been told they pulled like absolute mothers when they got them 5k ponies going.
It is true.
Conrail was literally the only railroad that owned SD80MAC's.
They only ended up with Norfolk Southern and CSX because of the split/shut down.Later on,the dozen SD80MAC's were given to Norfolk Southern ensuring that they owned every surviving unit because CSX wanted to get SD40-2's in return from them.
The CNW would've had several SD80MAC's if the Union Pacific takeover didn't occur.Those orders were canceled because Union Pacific had no interest in them since they were getting their deliveries of AC6000CW's and SD9043MAC's.
Yes,the SD80MAC's were much better.The SD9043MAC's were just convertibles,but the real 6,000 HP SD90MAC H1's & H2's were an epic failure with the 265H's.
Chicago Northwestern had ordered a batch of SD80MACs, but they merged with UP before the order was ready. UP cancelled the SD80 order, and replaced it with additional SD90s on top of what they had already ordered. I think UP made a slight mistake there, given how destructive 6000hp locos turned out.
The odd thing is that EMD chose the SD70MAC’s 16-710 prime mover for the convertible SD9043MACs even though the far-more-powerful 20-710 prime mover from the SD80MACs was already in production, and would have been a much better backup.
Idk, the SD80MAC was better.
@@TsalagiRailfan oh absolutely
This was great video about the SD80MAC! It's a damn shame they all were scrapped
Great work! Love these giants. Overall great design! Sad that they had to leave too soon.
When those 80macs the way how they plunged into the turn table it remands me of Thomas and friends where oliver plunged in the turn table
Enjoyed this man thanks for your hard work! I remember seeing these things brand new on the Chicago line near Cleveland Ohio when I was a kid. I also love the picture you got of 801 in bright future paint I’ve never seen that one before she was glossy😎.
My Uncle operated most of the 80Macs before he retired in 2019, even the two demonstrators, he told me loved them and I did too, this is a great episode, absolutely incredible!
Thank you!
Oh anytime man as a native Kentuckian it’s nice to see other Kentucky railfans
I miss the SD80MACs they were awesome locomotives
After making this video, they are my favorite too
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776Same here, btw I would love to see a video about either the GP15, GP30 (Including the Slug GP30), or the B36-7
The SD80MAC was one of my favorite locomotives. One of the SD80MAC's had a Prime 920 horn too. The Prime 920 is a RS3L knockoff.
These are the big boys in the east and didn’t deserve to be scrapped. 🥺😢😭
your video made me buy 2 csx sd80macs in conrail paint(in ho with sound), fantastic video!
1:26 I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK😂😂
I've never seen this series before but with this being my first episode and having some big names that I also watch like Trains21, AmtrakGuy365 and others it is amazing! Great job and keep up the amazing episodes
I got hired in the Conrail around 1999 and was lucky enough to ride in an sd80 mac, and it was what they said was, a whisper cab. After lots of time spent in a gp38 and a gp40 not to mention sd60m's, it truly was an absolute Cadillac. I also had a chance to ride in a sd90 Mack new unit from Union pacific. The salt took place at Walbridge near Toledo ohio.
My favorite “modern” locomotive. More powerful than an SD70MAC or SD70ACe, but not as excessively (and destructively) powerful as an AC6000CW or SD90MAC. The forgotten sweet spot for locomotive output. And also just a gorgeous, incredible looking design to look at. I always keep an eye out for used, low-price HO models of CSX 801 (4591), which was the only SD80MAC to ever feature the pretty YN2 scheme.
I grew up near Plant City and the Valrico Sub near Tampa, and I got into trains when I was 4 (2004). I (vaguely, yet distinctly) remember seeing the SD80MAC/SD70ACe configuration very early on, and recognizing it as an alternate version of the GE “heavyweights” as I called them (big, safety cab, 6-axles, giant flared radiators). These memories ever so slightly predate the existence of the SD70ACe, so I can say confidently that I did (probably) see at least 1 CSX SD80MAC in my childhood.
As of this post, I am finishing my degree in mechanical engineering, and plan to go into locomotive design, preferably for EMD. Aside from bringing back the sweet curves of the E6A/E6B for passenger service, my main goal in said career is to look back into that 5000hp output of the SD80MACs, and hopefully bring it back.
Didn't know conrails cadilac costed 1 million dollar plus back then. Sad I've never seen an SD80MAC when they were in service. But would it be possible for EMD/PRLX to build one fresh?
Not anymore due to emissions regulations, atleast the prime mover. The shell on the other hand can just easily be remade out of a random 90MAC
6 SD80MAC's from PRLX were purchased by Canadian Pacific to only be used as parts donors for their SD9043MAC's that were being rebuilt into SD70ACU's.
Any surviving units are still in PRLX storage,and others that had extensive hours/use on them were scrapped.They never will be rebuilt,the only chance at prolonged usage is if they become exports like certain amounts have.
The key thing is that the frame (and most of the car body) of the SD80MAC was reused in the SD90MAC, so any rebuild programs for the SD80 would be virtually identical to those that have been done to the SD90 (such as the SD70ACUs). It’s a lot of frame to work with, so it has potential for (at the very least) experimental designs.
*00:33* i got kick out of seeing CSX's Crazy Eight as the example for DC traction😂
8.Aug.2023
That CSX edit at the start of the video is realy nice
The sd80macs were my favorite locomotive the emd ever had
Same. I miss em too.
If CNW purchased some before merging with UP, then UP would of had then either PRLX or JLCX would of took them like with the SD90MACS
My top 3 favorite locomotive models ever are: EMD E6A/E6B, EMD FTA/FTB, and EMD SD80MAC. Dang, CSX 801 (4591) looked amazing!
No way I never would've thought I'd see trains and phonk music together!
Never expected you to be in my comments, I've built some of your stuff. Thanks for checking the video out Crafty!
@@buccaneerrailfanning1776That's awesome! :)
I was thinking the same thing!
Hey, Crafty!
*F in chat for our boi the SD80MAC*
*I'll never forgive NS for killing them*
Yo same!
Same. I’ve been loosing faith in NS eversince finding out this along with some of the truths of their own reputation, only to loose more after the East Palestine accident. That totally destroyed my trust in them
@@AndrewTheRocketCityRailfan4014 You still have faith in them? I don't.
@@TrainsAreReallyCool No. apologies for that communication error
I have no faith in what is left of CNW, they should of gotten their SD80s
Conrail horses 🐎 🐎🐴 EX conrail EX CSX and now the NS and finally there scraped
Nice vid and I can’t wait what is your next engines of Csx episode 😀
Yo mind doing the sd60ms next? I wanna know why they retired and where they’ve gone!
PLEASE do the dash 9s SD40-3s or the SD70ACE
LFGGGGGG THE 80s my favorite
Great video!! Here, in Brazil, we have a total of 8 model Sd80ACe locomotives... seven were imported, and one was manufactured in Brazil.
It really is kind of crazy how the technology and all is right there for EMD to continue making the SD80 family for the US, but just doesn’t. The SD80ACe uses the same electronics and emissions control as the SD70ACe (and same initial Tier-2 rating), but they never even attempted to advertise or demonstrate it in the US or Canada. It’s as if they got scared from the fallout of the SD90MACs and GE’s AC6000s, and didn’t take the risk.
It’s a real shame that they didn’t market the SD80ACe, too. The SD70ACUs are, honestly, proof that the market for the SD80ACe did actually exist here, and multiple railroads would have been willing to order them.
I Love the EMD Phase 1 Style of Wide Cab. From the Later production SD60M's all the way to the SD90MAC's, I love the EMD Phase 1 Style of Wide Cab.
Can you please talk about the history of EX CONRAIL U23B unit 2786???
All SD80mac units have been scrapped since 2021, but only 6 are still intact. It's just a shame to see them go.
Bucaneer, can u please do the U18B? and whats your fav csx engine
Great video
Thank you!
You should do the engines of Csx with ES40DCs next!
I wanna see a video of the SD60Is and M’s
Un dato curioso es que algunos sd80mac junto a unas sd70mac de csx fueron arrendados a ferromex en el 2011 trabajando en la zona guadalajara pacífico casi siempre apoyando por el distrito tepic 👀
We need engines of SD40-3 (SPONGEBOB CAB)
SD 40 will probably be next after the AC6000
Giga chad music in background 4:18
Cause this engine is a true gigachad
I thought CP still had more
From what I could gather they were scrapped aswell recently
shhhh but i got interior cab photos of ns 7227
You are back!!!!!
ooooh EMDx 8000/NS 7228! nice!!!
I love EMDS I have a HO scale CSX SD60I EMD
Yo solo los conozco por video pues vivo en Argentina y aunque nunca estuve de acuerdo que un locomotora tenga mas de 16 cilindros tengo que decir que estos sd80 mac me enloquece ver y escuchar su sonido y ver su eficiencia EMD GM locomotives maximun power of haul 💯💯
Cool
Please do csx sd70ace
What happened to that last one in cp custody?
Can you please tell the SD70ACe?
Done
I have three CSX wooden trains 2 are blue one is gray
song @ 4:21?
GIGACHAD Workout remix
Of course PSR had to ruin everything.
Idk actually. The main purpose the SD80s would serve on NS was running heavy bulk trains (like coal) in the mountains, and being pushers (which they still use the SD70ACUs for). To my knowledge, those kinds of bulk trains-regardless of railroad-almost never get subjected to PSR. If nothing else, 5,000 hp would actually make for an incredible DPU.
Running longer trains with fewer engines is also a big part of PSR. If you put 3 engines (4300-4400 hp each) at the front (and out of necessity), but the third unit is only needed to contribute to a small portion of the load, it would likely be more efficient (and thus more in line with PSR) to just put a pair of 5,000 hp units on it and not bother running a third at all. The role of the SD80s is still out there, on both NS and CSX.
@@TsalagiRailfan But the locomotives are gone forever, unless we manage to save the one that is in custody of CPKC.
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