Leather & Lasers III: The new xTool P2 55W CO2 Laser
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- Today's video is an unboxing and a quick review of the new xTool P2 55W CO2 laser.
I wrap up by making some leather stickers.
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If the early leather crafters had lasers they would have used them self. Love your work.
If the early leather crafters could have figured out a way to have the animals make products from their own hides, then they'd never have lifted a finger.
WTF is a Leather Crafter? I'm a Leather Worker.
Your work is amazing. It doesn't really matter what folks think. The one who can shrug that off is way ahead in life already.
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
That first minute is pure gold.
What ever it takes to do our best work is what everybody should strive to achieve.
Tools and skills move on and only add new dimension to our craft. If someone does not like a lazer, then don’t use one.
Archery has evolved from the long bow to recurve to compound. When Allen cut the tips off a recurve and took tinker toy wheels and made a crude compound everybody that used traditional bows said “that’s cheating “. Well now we have hi-tech compounds with sights, stableizers, silencers, and manufacturing keeps improving every year. If you want to hunt with traditional equipment, fine. By all mean do so and I support you. If you use the very latest equipment and gadgets do so, I support you.
The same goes with leather craft. So my friend, I enjoy your Videos And admire your work. Keep ‘‘em coming and ignore the critics. 👍
Great addition to your leather shop! A more effective way to cut leather, I like it!
Clean, repetitive cuts. Easily customizable designs. Does anyone buy clicker press's anymore?
@@RoadAgentLeather I do have a 4 ton manual clicker press. I do prefer it for batch cutting. I am seriously considering a laser for complicated one off or rarely made projects that I don't want to spend the money and store a die for.
I spent a day pounding fence post & showing my kids how to do it. Next day, took the tractor & pushed them in with the bucket. When they asked why we didnt do them all like that, i told them "because you have to know how to do it without the modern conveniences in case you cant use it for whatever reason." Same applies here.
I think these lasers are awesome for leather working!
You are one of the most original leathercrafters out there. I look forward to every video you put out and how you are using modern tech with old school methods. I was inspired to get a 3d printer after watching how you worked it into your craft, Lasers are great, on my list to get also, based on how you have demonstrated how you get products to the next lever, Cheers Keep it up.
Thanks! Curious if you're making stamps with your printer?
Amen brother! I even use a 3d printer to make embossing plates. I ran into some guys at my local leather shop that looked at me like I was from Mars when I told them that. Works awesome!
I have traveled all over and everywhere I go there are those who are unhappy. I always tell my family and friends not to give them any power over you or your direction. Keep moving forward. You have inspired many others. Your work is a combination of beauty and craftsmanship. Never stop moving forward.
Thanks!
Since the laser cannot replicate hand tooling, it's just a new and different finish. No one would mistake laser engraving for hand tooling so I don't see the reason for the complaints. However If someone watches your videos for the tooling (which I do) and you only laser etch, then yes, they may be unhappy. Personally I've always been fascinated with laser etching, even built my own machine, but I do like hand tooled pieces. I think both have their place. Your work is beautiful, so keep on going.
I think it depends on whether you are a hobbyist or in production. As a hobbyist, I don't make enough stuff to justify the cost of lasers, clickers, skivers or even a sewing machine. To me, I just want to see how well I can produce something using my hands. If I was in production, I would of course invest the money to produce more items to market. The other part of this is the guy that just loves tinkering with new stuff like a laser or a 3d printer. That in itself is a hobby. If that is you, then whatever medium you choose to work with, be it leather, wood or metal, have at it!
I’m new to leather craft and still very much learning. I personally prefer to learn and create in a more traditional method. That being said, I don’t see anything wrong with using modern technology like laser cutters. I’m sure similar conversations were had when methods like clicker dies were developed, that it didn’t require the same kind of skill or dedication to the learning this craft. I would actually argue that it just takes a different set of skills - the computer/technological side of it.
As a amateur leather worker, I think your work is exceptional! I am a professional luthier and several of my colleagues have gone to both lasers and CNC machines as part of their arsenal. I see nothing wrong with it but have chosen to continue with hand work. For me personally, I find it offers more of a connection to the material and even the flaws are part of that relationship. I can see that I'm in the minority but that perfection is exactly why I don't like computer driven art and craft.
I’m with you, I have a guitar built by hand by Neal Moser and I have Les Pauls, SGs, and a Kramer Baretta that have all been “plek’d”. All the plek’d guitars play beautifully, but they just miss the mark compared to that Neal Moser mockingbird. Even the best cnc or plekked guitar is only as good as the person programming in the specs.
I think with lasers and leather, there’s an apples and oranges thing compared to cnc guitars but when you get down to it, it’s hard to respect cnc and laser workmanship the way you respect the direct work of human hands.
That is so friggin COOL! Wow...I look forward to every video you make. You are truly a Leather Craftsman. Taking advantage of modern tools is a bonus!
Leather & lazers ...I have done leather work since 1980.I have done it the old way all the time.Hand cut,hand stitch etc.BUT , I don't make a living at it.I have no problem if you wish to use all the latest machinery.I love seeing your work anyway and how you do it .I would like more detail in your dying and finishing leather.Keep up the awesome work.Thank you
Thanks for watching! Will do.
I’m glad you use a laser. I have one too but not that new co2 model. I ‘d love to learn more about using the laser specifically for leather work, any tips or techniques you learn and could pass on would be great. “The purists are small in number but, you know hardy of voice.”
- Chris Thile
I would say you should use whatever you can afford. It could be seen as a progression we went from steel to aluminium to carbon fibre bodywork on supercars and now we are using 3D-printed components. Things change
Lasers are absolutely another tool for leather work! Keep up the good work! I use lasers to help my leather work as well!
While I don't have the $$$ for all those fancy tools and have to do everything by hand... everything! I would use a big laser in a heartbeat! I have a small diode (very inexpensive) that I use for special logos but that is about it. So you keep doing you and let the haters hate!!!
Thanks for watching!
It's called progress and some fear it. There was a time when doctors drilled holes into the skulls of headache sufferers as a treatment, thank goodness for aspirin. As a hobbyist/small-time maker, I've been looking into purchasing a laser myself.
I can't say I am laser hater. More so I do admit that with the laser it can open the craft to those that can't draw patterns and or choose not to learn that part of the craft. So, would I fault someone for using them? No not at all, would I encourage folks to use them? yes I would more than a few times when I have had clients make the comment that other craftsmen were using them, I do not condemn their work, rather I point out that mine is all done by hand, and with that I remind them that its their personal choice for what they want! Traditional or modern technology, and in the market that I work in traditional normally wins out.
I look at it as more of a time saver. I find there some things just don’t lend them self to carving .
I've been using a laser to produce leather goods for about 7 years. I remember when I first started doing it other leather crafters gave me hell for it. Then I showed them how quick I was able to cut out a project including engraving the tooling pattern and making stitching holes. Every stitch hole laid out perfectly spaced and symmetrical on the project. No need to buy clicker dies for your most used projects, just save the file. Some still didn't like it and some completely changed their tune. I'm lucky to have a maker's space in my town that has 2 large CO2 lasers so it only costs me a $25 a month membership. So keep using the laser because your work is absolutely amazing.
Thanks! Agreed. For me, it's less about repetitiveness and more about precision.
Cheating? NO!... I've been an upholsterer for 20 years & I learned on a sew machine with a clutch motor. Now most all sewing machines come with a servo motor and a reducer. Simply put a world of difference. It's like driving a manual vs automatic transmission. Like hand stitching vs a sewing machine. Which I think everyone should learn to do both. It makes you appreciate your upgrade. I'm really new to leather carving and tooling. But I'm going to learned all ways before I find my own niche. I can't wait to a laser cutter.
Slow and steady for now.
I am curious if this machine has air assist?
I ask bc it looks a little smokey compared to others I've seen.
The smoke was due to how he was ventilating the machine, as he mentioned in the vid, he just ran a vent tube out under the door of his garage, which makes sense since he is just getting it up and running. I imagine that once he gets it finally installed in his shop he will put a small exhaust fan on it that will suck that smoke out of the machine.
@@wesbrown5601 I'm referring to the design being smokey. Not the smoke itself...
Air assist, is when there is air blowing on the surface of the material, while the lazer is running...
It prevents chare from settling on the surface.
@@kcg3927 ok, I haven't seen that option on one, but it sounds like a good idea.
I am saving up for a lazer engraver/cutter & doing a lot of research before I buy one. Air assist is definitely an option I want.
Love your work and the videos you do. I was a laser safety officer in a hospital for many years, so fully understand the technology. As for using it for leatherwork, heck yeah. I agree it is another tool, it is a different tool, but a tool nonetheless. I don’t have one but a friend does and I pay him a nominal fee to laser some items for me. Haters gonna hate, it doesn’t affect the art.
Lasers are great! ❤
I look forward to seeing more videos of your use of the P2 for leather crafting. I ordered a P2 with a plan to use it for both leather and wood projects.
I already have projects lined up.
Lasers with knife beds also come with a honeycomb. Expect to need one + expect one as an accessory soon. It will be a great thing to have.
A laser is just the next generation of tools. Those that say you shouldn't use one I suppose they are still using a sharp stone to cut their leather parts out. And only using urine tanned hides.
Your projects are truly works of art and I throughly enjoy seeing the videos. Keep up the best work!!
Thanks!
Look...as someone who has sat at a desk way too long and my hands just don't work as well any more - I'm drooling at the moment I can get a laser to save myself some serious pain.
Love it.
I'm all about technology. I admire it from afar. Being retired and on a fixed income, the only tools I have that plug into the wall are a Dremel tool and a heat edger my Mrs bought me (I still have yet to use it.) I love the show, really I do. I was a huge fan of Norm Abrams to until he nonchalantly instructed me to "go over to your dedicated left handed blind mortising tenon tool"
And that was it for me.
Anything that makes your work easier is always good, I work with stone and silver and it was a game changer when I got my rolling mill. I never have to buy silver wire, I can make it.👍😁
I have been doing leather craft since I was thirteen yrs old. We didn't have lasers then nor do I have one know .I do not own any automated leather equipment at all. I am OLD HAT . I don't think its cheating I think it takes away from the craft as I learned it the old way. I love your work you are amazing at what you do and accomplish that's why I'm writing you. This is simply the modified version of leathercraft. I bid you peace.... OH and I am 67 yrs young..
Great review! Plus I love your leather crafting! I agree 100%. I do not have any machines, clicker press, skiving machine, I don't even have a sewing machine, etc... I have heard of lasers being used for leather crafting but I just assumed that they were incredibly expensive and some are but not all. A company got in touch with me out of the blue and asked if I would review a laser and how it relates with leathercrafting. I warned them I have no concept on how to use one and they sent it. I now use it all the time. It saves me crazy time with cutting out patters and stitching holes not to mention the great designs that can be engraved. I agree, it is a great tool for certain aspects of leathercrafting not to mention I now craft items with wood and slate. Owning a laser has opened a door for me to use different materials other then just leather. Thank you very much for this video and I am also enjoying your latest knife sheath video. Link to your latest video → th-cam.com/video/lFw-xcIGKe4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks! These lasers are getting so much less expensive there's almost no barrier to entry for leatherworkers. I just subscribed to your channel. Great stuff!! I saw you using magnets on the honeycomb bed to hold your leather down and thought "why didn't I think of that?"
@@RoadAgentLeather Thank you! I got the magnet idea from another youtube video, I am not sure who's video it was. So, I didn't think of it either. :) They work well and they are not expensive.
It's all about the skill in how you get to the finished project, using a Lazer or a robot wouldn't stop me from wearing it.
I say why not as its precise cut and fast !
All crafts evolve. The reality is, time is money. Labor is expensive and technology is cheap. So if you can offer a quality product for less due to the reduced labor cost, it’s a win win all around!
I get the same kind of people judging my work. I started leather working a little over a year ago. The part I love the most is carving. I used to hand trace everything and then carve it. After a couple months of redrawing each design 2 times before I could even start carving (making the design, , then tracing it) started to get tiresome. So I started layering the outline, then going straight into carving it out. I’ve had customers pice a piece up, saying how much they love it. Then ask if it’s lasered on, when i answer yes. They scoff and put it down. They don’t understand the amount of time and work put into it still. Cause I still hand stitch my items, because I enjoy it.
Anyway, I absolutely love your videos and work. Been watching from my start.
Thanks! Etching tooling designs is an excellent use for a laser. I currently 3D print my designs and tap them onto whatever I'm making, but have definitely thought about using the laser for that. My question is how would anyone know it started off as a laser impression after the tooling is done?
Well RAL by the demand for your product, anything that helps your production is welcomed. Good review.
Agreed. I would suggest if leatherwork is your income/business you HAVE to have machines like this. Everyone wants customization and your competition is certainly willing to provide it.
If I had the money and space in my shop for a quality laser setup I would use the hell out of it.
Neto , somehow we still have to keep our own skill levels up to par. It sure will be interesting what u come up with in the future.
you can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time. There will assuredly be haters no matter what you do.
The way I see it, the laser is a useful tool and there is nothing wrong with using one to help further your craft.
Nothing wrong with using a laser, it is a tool. I currently use a Cricut to mark, cut and engrave leather. I am looking at the xTool D1 Pro with the expansion rails for larger pieces of leather and fabric. I also use my 3d Printers to make leather stamps and some tools.
You should use the best technology out there to achieve the best product. Sounds like sour grapes bc they can't have one. Wah, wah.
Can I afford one. Hell no. I'll do it the manual way as best I can. You keep spitting out great videos and amazing leather work, and I'll keep watching.
Love my atomstack 20w
I agree it's just one more tool
Wow nice
You could use the leather logos as business cards with contact info on the back.
Great machine. I really do think that stamped and carved leather looks a little better than pyro leather. But just a little better.
I would buy a burned on design on say a holster or a cowboy belt and holster if I was in the market for one. Maybe a Pyro design using a stamped and carving method on it. If that's possible, I don't know.
Good luck with the many things you can do with a machine like that. You might need to pray for more imagination. Since that machine opens everything up big time!
I've discovered, for the most part, those that consider using laser cutter, or the like, have never spent the hours it takes to create the .stl file from a CAD program. I have spent probably 9 hours designing a crank bait for my 3D printer.
exactly. It still takes artistry and skill . . . just in a different form.
Like your videos regardless of what you use. Still wish you would show us beginners how to sharpen our leather tools. Great videos. Keep um coming.
I'm definitely going to make a tool sharpening video (eventually). Is there a particular tool you're wanting to see?
@@RoadAgentLeather I can't seem to get my edge bevelers sharp enough. Thanks for your time.
Very nice , I want to expand my art work that I can accomplish so much more , IM NOT AN ARTIST BY NO MEANS THATS A GOD GIVING TALENT. Lazer work just opens up so many possibilities for you I'm thinking ! Thanks for sharing, reddoc custom leathers Chicago...
keep doing what you do If it works for you( DO IT)
You couldn't have articulate it any better than you just did, its a tool like any other tool. You can choose to use it, or not use it, like all the other leather crafting tools that are available to use.
Amen
Just tell the haters. Welcome to the future. If it makes your job easier.USE IT.
Im a traditional leather crafter the only thing electric tool i have is the lights, I will never have them in my shop but that my shop if you use it more power to ya nothing wrong with it
As much as I revere the saddle stitch, I do appreciate my sewing machine! Now, between the sewing machine and the laser? That's becoming a hard call. I can always go back to hand-stitching everything. But the laser can perform tasks that simply can't be done by hand and has opened up so many new possibilities.
@@RoadAgentLeather oh definitely agree always say you do want you need to do to be successful in your shop haters gonna hate hoss
That leather piece looks really nice. How are you clean cleaning it off is that water and a brush? What are your settings? Thank you.
Could you share what settings you are using? for cut and engrave? Beautiful work!
It's going to depend of course on the thickness of your leather. I'm using 9oz veg-tan. Engraving depends on the look you want. I like a deep look; so on this particular machine maybe 40 to 60% at about 100 mm/s. For cutting 100% power and 20 mm/s. You really have to just test a piece of your hide
You may have said earlier, but what is the thickness of leather you can work with?
Great video! What settings did you use to cut and engrave the leather? Are there pre-set options or did you have to manually put it in?
Thanks! Since leather thickness varies, it's best to have a cheap digital caliper or micrometer to measure the thickness in millimeters for the focus. For 9-10oz veg-tan, I set for 100% power and 15-20mm per second.
Depending on the project, I could see both hand cutting and using a laser. Especially those patterns that have "pre-punched" holes (like the dinosaurs or other I make) or when I'm going to make multiples and need a lot of the same thing and need "clicker" accuracy. Do you know the differences or what was your comparison with say GlowForge as they seem to be in the same price range? Also, I assume the software lets you somehow set "this part of the pattern is only X deep" while this part is Y deep - ie putting in your logo but then cutting out the outline completely.
Thanks for watching! Not sure about the GlowForge comparison. The only other lasers I have direct experience with are the open-style Creality models I made previous videos on (these are a good budget option.) I do all my actual design work in Adobe Illustrator, then bring that resulting art into Lightburn or xTool Creative Space. These are the programs that actually control the laser. And yes, from there you have full control of the laser's speed, passes, power settings . . . etc. You can adjust all of these to etch, engrave, or cut a variety materials.
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What settings do you find best for cutting leather? Power? Speed?
when cutting, I put the power to 100%. Speed at about 20. This is for the thick leather. You just have to play around and test it.
How much faster do you think it is compared to the diode
About the same. The higher wattage just means that what I used to do in two passes I can now do in one (so maybe a few minutes cut.) The biggest advantage is the enclosure, which allows me to vent smoke outside.
I had a guy tell me my stuff was not hand made because I had a sewing machine,
Im usually protraditional guys, but im actually surprised that close to nobody use laser. Cutting out with knife have almost no difference to cutting with laser.
I understand, when you talk about egraving metal - lasers feels artificial and cheap, but for leather it feels efficient
Quick question how important is it that you vent it? Is it the smell or is it toxic?
Could be both. The smell of burning leather isn't what I would call "pleasant" and stinks up my garage (even with the door open). I would also be more confident working with chrome-tan leather (which is toxic when burned) with this set-up.
Great video.. I saw your settings on the engrave but what did you use for cutting? Thanks!
The stickers are 3-4 oz veg-tan + the adhesive backing. Laser cuts were set to 90% power, 30mm/s, 1 pass. It may be that I could do the cuts faster, or with less power . . . I actually didn't spend a lot of time testing the settings.
Appreciate it! Were you just cleaning with a wet sponge?
So your outside cut line is set to cut at 90/30, I thought I had your engrave but mine burnt a hole through.. What was your engrave settings? Thanks again
Just got the P2 and wanted to try leather. I can't wait. Do you mind sharing your settings for cutting and engraving? Also, what is the sticker packing you use called and where can I buy it? TIA!
Sweet! I'm usually cutting 9-10 oz veg-tan. 100% power, 20 mm/s, 1 pass. I dampen the leather like I'm casing it first to help it lay flat and reduce the scorching a bit. The 3M self-adhesive sheet I get from Amazon.
@@RoadAgentLeather Thank you for the video and sharing your info!
Haters gonna hate. Especially the ones that are jealous. It’s 2024 as I’m watching and leather craft isn’t as popular as it once was. If its bring more artists on I say, laser away it makes a better piece and saves time.
Good point. My thoughts are that it's no different than if I stamp out patterns on a traditional clicker press. . . . except a laser is MUCH cheaper and infinitely more versatile.
So i have this same laser trying to save some 6oz leather.. what are your cut settings for 6 oz leather
Hi. When cutting, I usually turn up the power to around 80-100%. Speed at 25 mm/s. You really just have to experiment with the leather you have to see what setting work.
What are you using to clean the letter pieces? Is it water or oil?
Thanks for watching! It's just plain water and a sponge.
lasers are just another tool you still need to be a craftsman too implement it in a way that will produce a quality product which you sir seem to be more than capable of i think just like any other technology there will always be neigh sayers who want to stay stuck in the past refusing to evolve because for some reason "old way must be best way" personally i think the way you blend old techniques with modern technology is pretty rad and is honestly the best way to keep an ancient craft alive and relevant
My thoughts exactly. Thanks for watching!
I’m an aspiring leatherworker and I’m looking into getting a CNC machine so that I can expand my small tack making business. Do you still like your creality laser or do you think it’s worth it to invest in a higher end machine?
The Creality lasers work great and are relatively inexpensive. The reason I now use the xTool (aside from it being given to me for free) is because it's fully enclosed and I can actively vent smoke to outside my garage . . . That's a big consideration. All lasers are going to generate smoke. As long as you have a way to properly ventilate it then go for it.
More sharks with freack'n laser beams attached to their heads. Muahahahaha.
This thing weighs a ton. It would have to be one big shark!
If I see a leather product carved, embossed etc I would pay less for a machined item. I would pay more for hand made work. Most art work is hand made, that's where the 1 of a kind Comes from. That's why tailored suits cost more than of the peg machine worked stuff.
Personally, I have no beef with the tools used as long as the craftsperson learns and masters the basics first.
same thoughts. You should be able to continue to work if the power goes to out.
i hear this when i use my cnc on wood its not wood working.
I feel ya. I can show 60 seconds of the laser cutting the initial shape out . . . then spend the rest of a 30-minute long video (DAYS in real time) hand working a piece only to have comments saying it's not "handmade". huh?
nothing wrong with lasers.. material use optimization, less waste and ability to quickly cut multiple parts from same material even for different projects. Its a time optimization tool.
How big of a cutting area can you get with this?
according to the xTool website, bed is 26.8" × 14.2". Not sure if that's the same as actual working area though.
@@RoadAgentLeather thank you.
Nice... could you provide the link for those sticker blanks? I'd like to make a few for our Texas Tigers hockey team. Or just give me the name of the product so I can search the great Amazon! 🙂
Thanks for watching! You mean the self adhesive? It's been a while since I purchased it and don't remember the specific material. It was a 3M product though.
What leather wear you using? Also what was the liquid you cleaned the leather with?
stickers are 3-4oz veg-tan. The soot is cleaned up with plain water and a sponge.
@@RoadAgentLeather if you don’t mind me asking, where do you get your veg tan from?
@@johnnifly Tandy Leather
@@RoadAgentLeather thank you very much! Great video. I’m looking at buying a P2 here soon, and will use your link.
This is a great video. I'm new to leather and there seems to be a lot of options to choose from on Tandy Leather. Is there a certain style/color you would recommend I start with?@@RoadAgentLeather
Am I not a woodworker because I use power tools?
The only cheating with lasers is when they are mounted on ill-tempered sea bass!
I’m using ChatGPT to make all my leather goods. What’s the big deal?
How right you are! We have come a long way from using a rock for a hammer.
Work smarter not harder .
I try to!
What about the software? I hate trying to learn to use software. I need something thats relatively dummy proof cause i dont want it to be another skill i have to learn.
I can definitely see that being an issue for some. Whether it's lasers, 3D printers, or embroidery machines, you'll have to use their associated software at some point. It really just depends on your comfort level with these type of apps. I'm a professional graphic designer by trade, so am familiar with the general concepts that most of these programs utilize. So if I say "the software is easy to use" . . . it's a biased opinion. As always, TH-cam is your friend here. The xTool app I'm using in this video I literally had 20 mins use on before I started recording. I had to watch a couple of videos for the basics.
Has anyone on this thread ran a full leather belt in there p2?
I have't seen many lasers that have a large enough working area to cut a full-length belt.
WOW... Quite Impressive! Absolutely LOVE Your Work and have contacted you unsuccessfully on ETSY ';-) Thanks, Mike...
Thanks! Unfortunately, I'm not able to take on custom orders at the moment. Consequently, my Etsy pages doesn't get move love.
Don't let the morons bother you, everyone has a choice on how they do things and there's nothing wrong with that. My wife is a quilter and when I had access to a laser cutter it was great for making cutting templates for her to use.
$$5000 plus dollars..yeah..I'll just run down and pick one up
Ha. Understood . . . xTool does make more affordable options. Check out my more recent videos.
I use a cricut to cut leather lol
I looked at those briefly. How is it working for you?
Laser is just a tool , anything to make your products better for the customer.
I thought that was a really great video until you got out the double-sided tape and then realized you weren't a real leather worker after all...just kidding of course - an interesting video and an interesting tool for makers of all kinds.
wonder which rocks that person lives under jealousy does not get you no way it just and another tool you are able to work with i look at it that way
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The nay-sayers for using a laser in the workshop are luddites. In the same way that the flint-nappers bitched over the introduction of bronze knives as cheating so those whiners will do what they do best. I have CTS and arthritis so I bought a Boss as stitching became impossible for me. Power tools are not only to speed things up but to allow us to do what we want to. Yes, I use 3D printers and a laser in my shop, not only for leather work either...
tell them to kiss off