Wise words indeed. I have been saying for several years that liberalism, especially this extreme liberalism as we have now, will eventually implode because it looks to itself rather than out of itself. The only way we will have societal balance is if we reach outside ourselves to the good of others. In a sincere and loving way. What we have today is massive hedonism....me,me,me. That is not the path to true joy and love. We need to serve others.
This is actually a discussion about philosophical "liberalism". I know many politically aligned conservatives and libertarians who whole heartedly support these liberal views. They should have the right to do as they wish, irregardless of its impact on their community or neighbors. That self reliance is king and if you can't take care of your own then let nature take its course. If that means you don't get health care and you die or your homeless and die on the streets (as long as it's not in my town, so go somewhere else) so be it. I believe the discussion at the end is the real issue and that it's societal values that set the current trends and behaviors of not just our country but that of the world.
Great!!! This guys speaks about Plato and Aristotle, however what he doesn't realize is that Catholic Schools are failing big time! Heck, wish it would only be Catholic schools, the Church as a whole doesn't teach substance, critical thinking. Liberalism is essential. I know many of you will bash me for this comment, but I'm sure most of you do not know what liberalism means. This is the actual definition: "willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas". By this definition, God's essence is liberal, because He respects our sovereignty, even with the life that he has giving us. Before I entered the seminary many years ago, I used to be a fanatic. When I entered the seminary, I was thought philosophy as a pillar to learn Theology. Why then, do Catholics get educated in philosophy and critical thinking? Because what I see in the Church is a bunch of parrots repeating everything without been able to explain the things from a rational way, just like Aquinas did. I also believe that some bishops, priests and religious entered to early religious life, and they have lived on a bubble of puritanism all their life and that affects their perspective when addressing today's issues. They lack the vision of a person that has seen the ugliness of the world from an alienated perspective, and a foreign to human everyday struggles. There's a notion of this cultural war that happens more in "conservative" circles than in "liberal" circles. Now we want to impose unto others, how they have to view the world and how people have to understand what freedom means. Freedom is not a concept, freedom is a journey that we embark the minute we put our feet into this world and we will figure out or not, with our individual circumstances. Obviously, my fellow Catholics will push back when they see this message, because they will feel resistance, the minute that they see their truth challenged. Obviously this is the sign of fundamentalism and fanatism, which are poisons that the Church at large is taking and is killing pur faith sip by sip. For the one that reads until the end... that was freaking long... lol..
@@TheDman81 I take it you didn’t complete your seminary training. I agree with much of what you say here. Many clergy seem to have tunnel vision and a simplified view of things that saves them the trouble of thinking critically. But I have found enough good priests to allow me to find a place for myself within the church after distancing myself for more than 20 years. The one thing they have in common is a focus on spirituality rather than sin. It’s a journey
As a disabled, seriously ill person who depends upon disability and Medicare to survive, I am TERRIFIED of what's going to happen with the Republicans wanting to defund all safety net programs. Will I end up homeless or dead? Thankfully, I do trust in God and have to turn over my fears to Him many times a day. My life might not matter much to those who only see me as someone who cannot work in a capitalistic society, but it matters to God.
Who says that will happen? No one. Trump hasn't said it, no other Republicans have said it. I've been on Disability for 10 years and on Medicare. I have no fear that what you are saying will happen.
so completly ironic what you are saying....yes the so called republicans purporting to be the party of god...are the one that whant to remove all safety nets as being superfluous and cost to much...and rather increase the military industrial complex.....and the liberals are the one that put in place help for people like you are considered the markxist and socialist devils......barron and deneen are cluless and in a bubble
Your fears are based on lies. Your entire emotional state is based on a lie. That you didn't even look into it a little bit says one of two things about you: The first possibility is that you're lying. The second possibility is that you don't REALLY care about it that much. Because if you cared, you would have gone searching for what both sides actually say about it. You would not have just listened to what leftist lying talking heads said. Go touch grass.
I have a 39 year old son who is intellectually disabled. Republicans do not have a history of supporting assistance to those who cannot help themselves. As a Democrat from Chicago, I grew up seeing Democrats support those who needed help, not wanting to see anyone abuse support but knowing it is needed. Caring for the least of these is the message of the gospel. I need society's help to care for my son, and I deeply appreciate my state (Virginia) finding a Medicaid Waiver to support my son. Supporting the poor and disadvantaged are the bedrocks of my political support. This is what liberalism means to me. Bishop Barron, you are twisting this mindset into a whole new animal, the opposite of what Jesus taught.
I have a 39 year old son who is intellectually disabled. Republicans do not have a history of supporting assistance to those who cannot help themselves. As a Democrat from Chicago, I grew up seeing Democrats support those who needed help, not wanting to see anyone abuse support but knowing it is needed. Caring for the least of these is the message of the gospel. I need society's help to care for my son, and I deeply appreciate my state (Virginia) finding a Medicaid Waiver to support my son. Supporting the poor and disadvantaged are the bedrocks of my political support. This is what liberalism means to me. Bishop Barron, you are twisting this mindset into a whole new animal, the opposite of what Jesus taught.
You are completely right Sue! Bishop Barron can't understand it, and I'll tell you why... he lives in a Bubble of conservative propaganda... this is sad, because The Holy Spirit is absent this days in The Church... where is The Spirit of Truth?? Our Catholic Church is falling into fundamentalist heresy... Things are not binary, nor people are good because they support x party and are bad because they support the other party. This whole idea is just ridiculous... we need a Church that understands our individual situations... God loves you, in spite of whatever party you belong to... I will pray for you and your son.
The blue wave will be back, it's happened before, it cycles. Sometimes people need to see what they voted for because they don't see the whole picture.
Taxpayers want to be able to care for their children, feed them educate them, protect them from drug coming over the open borders so many young people have died. Thats why I voted for Trump.
If those same parents didn’t think their kids had to have their own phone, tv, bathroom, etc., they would have plenty of money and still help others. God only asks for you to use 10% of the money He provided you to help others. Render to Caesar his taxes.
I'm serious. What does this mean? What does "may" mean? What are you asking for? What do you want to happen? How would this "may" come about in a world in which God already knows everything,?
@@helpmaboabb❤ perhaps you are not a natural English speaker (my mother wasn’t either-she was French). The poster here is expressing her desire that God will continue to bless Bishop Barren. Sure, God knows everything, wants everyone to be blessed, but we can also “ask” (using the word “may”) for those blessings for ourselves & others. Hope that helps🙏🙌🏻🕊️
As God see’s it. And today’s man/woman see’s it. Are so different extremes. First and foremost God comes first. In society through out the world, man/woman come first. Nothing must come first but God. Nothing. Simple story, but true. Their talk was good. God Bless.
There is no fundamental problem with the libertarian view of liberty, rather it is the absence of associated responsibility where the liability begins. Liberty without social responsibility, not liberty itself.
At least he defended the least of society (disabled, poor,elderly, etc) rather than expecting everyone to contribute to maximize wealth or just "shuffle off" as these gentlemen put it so succinctly.
@@spinstercatlady What?! Trump defended the least of society? Are you insane? He separated kids from the parents and some kids were never returned! And he will double down this time. Matthew 7:17-20 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
@@deniseb-h8u my comment was definitely not about DT (although that's probably who the original comment was about), I was referring to Biden since he overturned Trump's evil plan to reclassify folks on disability so that they'd have to be reviewed every 6 months as well as his nightmarish immigration policies and policies that harm the most vulnerable of our citizens by cutting or severely reducing funding to social safety net programs. Take a look at my other comments on here, and it's clear that I believe DT is extremely dangerous in his policies. Sorry for the confusion 😕
Always a pleasure to hear from the an important voice in Catholicism. Speaking of important--from the host of Daily Dose, another over-pronunciation of the word "Important" ImporTanT ...
So many people are confused, not knowing the difference between right and wrong and thus make poor choices...choosing what they see others doing...instead of choosing the intrinsic good.
@ how has Donald Trump deceived anyone🤯? What you are really saying is all the Trump supporters are stupid and don’t know any better and have been deceived. Maybe you have been deceived by your candidates? 🙄
Am I the only one who hears a definition of current conservatism in this belief that we can never be virtuous, and so the state needs to restrain us..?
Yes, you are. Conservatism is that belief that the state is an obstacle, albeit sometimes necessary for the smooth operation of the world, it's not something to depend on. It impedes ingenuity, charity, progress, reason, peace and prosperity.
Dean, conservatives would prefer the least amount of government necessary to ensure peace and prosperity within a nation. Conservatives like to rely on God as the penultimate to obtaining and exercising virtue🙌🏻
@@danielleprovenzale6805 More like "lets cut the Medicare and Social Security to "incentivize" people do to charity. If nobody helps the needy, oh we..." Give me a break. It is 2024 not the Middle Ages.
Thank you for this discussion, thought provoking. We need to ask ourselves am I practicing Catholic ( or other denominations or other religions) or not? How active are we in general society’s for common good, in politics, in business, in culture, and so on. If we are not practicing, we cannot positively engage in society’s common good nor be authentic contributors to common good. We are secular society and in secular society only practising Christians (Catholics or others) can positively be effective in society. New conversion and evangelisation is required or we will easily fall and follow tyrants to detriment of all (atheists not excluded).
@josipstipic8000 the only societal issue I ever see Catholics/Christians making a fuss about is abortion. That's fine, but where's the outcry on all the other issues that matter to the common good? I see no one speaking up when policies are made that harm society's most vulnerable citizens - the poor, the disabled, the unwanted children already in the system, the widows and the elderly , etc. When deeply conservative policies get made that cut safety net programs and welfare (SS, disability, SNAP, free school lunches, LI-HEAP for heating assistance, Medicare/Medicaid, etc) suddenly everyone becomes very quiet. We have many precious souls that are truly suffering - facing homelessness, going without medicine and dying, not having enough nutritious food to eat so they get sick, no heat or AC - yet where are the multitudes of Christians/Catholics who should be advocating for them?
Well this means that the modern view of liberty is the equivalent of licence. Hobbs was wrong because if we do not develop self discipline we cannot be free. But we must have the support of a civilized society governed by the rule of law with the notion of fairness and justice for ALL! This would mean we are then equal before AND under the law with not just formal rights but substantive - ie not oppressive! External control on the human person cannot ever be fair and just because as you say it is oppressive . A civilized society means we are not governed by a tyrant. Unfortunately we live in a time where Plato's view of a democracy is coming true and descending into tyranny. If the tyrant has absolute power to dissolve even the checks and balances built into the concept and practice of the rule of law in a democracy, there is only licence and never real liberty to be self governing. For me from the perspective of faith, it comes down to the difference between "thou shalt nots" and the singular "though shalt "... A social structure based on Love is one that requires governing authorities to understand the difference not just between liberty and licence but Love and its absence.
Diane, you are right in saying that if we do not develop self-discipline, we cannot be free. Discipline is the root of discipleship, and therefore, unless we have a belief in an ultimate God, then it is very hard to exercise any self restraint except for those imposed by the government. However, as you say, tyrants want to impose their own laws for their benefit. We did not see this happen when Trump was elected; the economy, our nation & the world were not in the chaos we have descended to with the Biden /Harris administration. This administration on the other hand has because of their own selfish desires caused our economy to fail, caused our country to become more divisive and has jeopardized world peace. Yes, love should be the driving force behind all that we do. God is love. love is willing the good of the other, even to the point of self sacrifice, as Jesus showed us. It’s not about the rights our constitution gave us or purports to give to us. 🕊️
Thank you. I would love to hear more about what the classical Christian definition of liberty is. I know what this is and it’s not that, so is there something that will explain the classical Christian way of liberty or thoroughly please?
Trump's election is almost relevant to the trajectory as it would have also been with Harris. The identity transhumanist, transgenderist liberal politics was doomed before it has even started. Trump was elected as a reaction against this craziness but not as an aspiration toward a better future.
Trump talked about a former golfer's p**is size, simulated a sex act on a faulty microphone at a rally last week, insults and belittles others constantly with the most profane and unholy expressions possible, lies constantly and is the antithesis of a moral leader. I am supposed to overlook that because somehow being "liberal" is worse than that? When did modern political monikers become the measurement for righteousness and truth? Character, integrity, and the rule of law matters. Righteousness matters. I would not want my sons or my grandsons to emulate Trump. I wish you would have talked about what a true moral leader looks like. It is not Trump.
horse-sh... Trump is authentic, and people relate to him. He also tries to find solutions to problems, and is willing to make decisions as to which is the best solution. Kamala Harris offered no solutions, and refused to make any decisions. Even her policy was a refusal to make a decision
@@josephcioppa1943people THINK they relate to him, but I reality he is a multi multi millionaire who wouldn't spit on the average man if he wasn't in politics. Trump and the average man have nothing in common. Typical parasocial relationship.
@@josephcioppa1943 What I remember about T's decision-making skills was his stance on Obama-care (wanting to repeal with no replacement) and his stance on ANY efforts of B's administration to bi-partisanly address Border concerns (i.e., killing a serviceable border bill with the help of his R cronies). Might your impressions be a tad "idealized"? In terms of Trump being "authentic", I have to agree with that as he won the popular vote.
I've across this video just now. I hope Bishop Barron and those priests who advised Catholics that they had to vote for Trump, I hope they will now take responsibility for the chaos and suffering that a Trump presidency will inflict on not just the American people but to those of us who live outside the US!
I don't think the Pope likes Trump from just his facial expressions in the past, but couldn't say not too vote for him. He left it up to conscience and it's sad how a cult like leader can suck people into his insanity. BUT the democrats didn't talk about how prices wont lower, how tariffs wont work. They are failing too in communication
LIBERALISM... freedom from discipline of one's own human will. (aka being one's own god . . . reference eve and adam) rock and roll...no discipline to the 'dance steps.' Change of 'heart' of mankind (humanity) IS A TRANSFORMATION of SOUL. RELIGION is the means to 'doing as HE said to do BY FAITH IN HE who is God, and in such obedience based on FAITH...His GRACED PRESENCE increases within. (a slow and steady transformation, sometimes not perceptible even to the one being slowly changed IN SOUL)
Interesting definition pity is there are so many variants to new age thinking, but putting Bishop Barron in that described category mnnnn don't think so he is set now and here's hoping he just maybe by the Grace of God one day our P0pe?🙏God Willing ofcourse.❤🔥
Religion, Philosophy, and Psychology all advised The Middle Way of negotiating a path between opposites. Both Liberalism and Conservatism are both extremes. We should, as advised, stay between opposites not being bound to one or the other. Conservatism can be static and prevent movement or being in sync with the times. The ideal is to, as advised, follow the Middle Way while holding on the universal truths and values. What they do not discuss here is the danger of extremes either of liberalism or conservatism. One is an excess of freedom, the other is an inhibition of movement with the times, which realistically has to be done and accomplished. We cannot live in accordance with the worldview of the Middle Ages as we are now in a modern age and things are much different. This is not addressed here, it would be expected that these two commentators would know the religious and philosophical and psychological perspectives on The Middle Way. They apparently do not so this discussion is unbalanced, concentrating on excessive freedom and the problems of that. They do not talk about excessive restraint or absent of freedom as also a problem. Parents have to let go as their children become adults and trust that the values they instilled will be lived out when they are free of parental restraint and oversight in their adult lives. The ultimate good has to come under the function of reason as what may be good in one situation may be bad in another. There are good and bad conflicts; to protect the innocent; good, or to gain power; bad. Good and bad are relative to the situation. Dogma is a guide it is not applicable to all situations. To pretend that it is, is unrealistic.
I feel like so much of the bad side of conservatism gets ignored. I hear no one speak about how the least of our society (the poor, disabled, elderly, widows, children) get hurt by extreme conservative policies that take away the programs they depend on to survive.
@@spinstercatlady Right on and the whole world is following this ideology without critically thinking about anything but wealth power and status, when electing cons to do the job of 'governing '. !.
God is good all the time god is good, Remember there are gods laws and there are mans laws you should never mock gods laws saying your sorry and being thankfull can go a long way with him . There is only so much God will put up with. Abortion Kills 1 million people a year in America . He does not like killing of any kind Americas obeyed god command now lets be Thank full and get too Work
God doesn't like people treating the least of His children (poor, disabled, elderly, etc) bad,y either. As Barron Bishop put it, there are those who want to get rid of programs that help them survive in hopes that they will just "shuffle off" bc they are unable to maximize wealth. The lives of the unborn matter, but so do the lives of those struggling to barely survive.
I voted for him. How will I suffer? Your entire emotional state is founded on lies. Your entire intellectual state is founded on your emotional state. Trump wants peace. The deep state very obviously wants war. Trump wants states to decide abortion. The left obviously wants unborn children to be slaughtered by the millions. You excommunicate yourself when you vote pro abortion. Pro baby murder. Pro war.
He was already president for 4 years, how delusional are you people? How lost in the lies of the left are you? There was exactly 0 tyranny under Trump. Oh, you mean you can't wantonly murder unborn children? This comment section is full of demons.
Kamala and the left would have been our ruin. Abortion without restrictions, grooming of our kids. Pompous and elites attitude. Thankful for Trump. Common sense
🤯now who’s being judgmental - do you know him personally? What he does in his everyday affairs? Your post would justify my belief that you are unkind😢 is that true? Hopefully not, but because we may disagree with what people say, doesn’t mean we should negate their beliefs, opinions or their persons. If you don’t agree with his positions, then make the argument for your position, otherwise don’t attack him personally.🕊️
@@timmcvicker5775 I actually truly don't get this ugly judgemental ism against trump.OK. he is not without flaws and given his easy ride from the success and wealth of his father.He has managed rather well I think he has some potential to improve....but...he is not up there alone he has others in positions to influence him,all around him.Get real.He has shown a good side.
Sadly accurate assessment of our current state.
"Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."
~Pope John Paul II
Wise words indeed. I have been saying for several years that liberalism, especially this extreme liberalism as we have now, will eventually implode because it looks to itself rather than out of itself. The only way we will have societal balance is if we reach outside ourselves to the good of others. In a sincere and loving way. What we have today is massive hedonism....me,me,me. That is not the path to true joy and love. We need to serve others.
Yes. Beautifully said. Thank you.
I think we've confused freedom with licence, and that distinction and the underpinnings of that, have got lost. We're now paying the price.
This is actually a discussion about philosophical "liberalism". I know many politically aligned conservatives and libertarians who whole heartedly support these liberal views. They should have the right to do as they wish, irregardless of its impact on their community or neighbors. That self reliance is king and if you can't take care of your own then let nature take its course. If that means you don't get health care and you die or your homeless and die on the streets (as long as it's not in my town, so go somewhere else) so be it. I believe the discussion at the end is the real issue and that it's societal values that set the current trends and behaviors of not just our country but that of the world.
Freedom/liberty is to be free from the effects of sin.
Great!!! This guys speaks about Plato and Aristotle, however what he doesn't realize is that Catholic Schools are failing big time! Heck, wish it would only be Catholic schools, the Church as a whole doesn't teach substance, critical thinking. Liberalism is essential.
I know many of you will bash me for this comment, but I'm sure most of you do not know what liberalism means. This is the actual definition:
"willingness to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own; openness to new ideas".
By this definition, God's essence is liberal, because He respects our sovereignty, even with the life that he has giving us.
Before I entered the seminary many years ago, I used to be a fanatic. When I entered the seminary, I was thought philosophy as a pillar to learn Theology. Why then, do Catholics get educated in philosophy and critical thinking?
Because what I see in the Church is a bunch of parrots repeating everything without been able to explain the things from a rational way, just like Aquinas did.
I also believe that some bishops, priests and religious entered to early religious life, and they have lived on a bubble of puritanism all their life and that affects their perspective when addressing today's issues. They lack the vision of a person that has seen the ugliness of the world from an alienated perspective, and a foreign to human everyday struggles.
There's a notion of this cultural war that happens more in "conservative" circles than in "liberal" circles.
Now we want to impose unto others, how they have to view the world and how people have to understand what freedom means.
Freedom is not a concept, freedom is a journey that we embark the minute we put our feet into this world and we will figure out or not, with our individual circumstances.
Obviously, my fellow Catholics will push back when they see this message, because they will feel resistance, the minute that they see their truth challenged. Obviously this is the sign of fundamentalism and fanatism, which are poisons that the Church at large is taking and is killing pur faith sip by sip. For the one that reads until the end... that was freaking long... lol..
@@TheDman81 I take it you didn’t complete your seminary training. I agree with much of what you say here. Many clergy seem to have tunnel vision and a simplified view of things that saves them the trouble of thinking critically. But I have found enough good priests to allow me to find a place for myself within the church after distancing myself for more than 20 years. The one thing they have in common is a focus on spirituality rather than sin. It’s a journey
As a disabled, seriously ill person who depends upon disability and Medicare to survive, I am TERRIFIED of what's going to happen with the Republicans wanting to defund all safety net programs. Will I end up homeless or dead? Thankfully, I do trust in God and have to turn over my fears to Him many times a day. My life might not matter much to those who only see me as someone who cannot work in a capitalistic society, but it matters to God.
Who says that will happen? No one. Trump hasn't said it, no other Republicans have said it. I've been on Disability for 10 years and on Medicare. I have no fear that what you are saying will happen.
I hear you and understand.
so completly ironic what you are saying....yes the so called republicans purporting to be the party of god...are the one that whant to remove all safety nets as being superfluous and cost to much...and rather increase the military industrial complex.....and the liberals are the one that put in place help for people like you are considered the markxist and socialist devils......barron and deneen are cluless and in a bubble
Your fears are based on lies. Your entire emotional state is based on a lie.
That you didn't even look into it a little bit says one of two things about you:
The first possibility is that you're lying.
The second possibility is that you don't REALLY care about it that much. Because if you cared, you would have gone searching for what both sides actually say about it. You would not have just listened to what leftist lying talking heads said.
Go touch grass.
I have a 39 year old son who is intellectually disabled. Republicans do not have a history of supporting assistance to those who cannot help themselves. As a Democrat from Chicago, I grew up seeing Democrats support those who needed help, not wanting to see anyone abuse support but knowing it is needed. Caring for the least of these is the message of the gospel. I need society's help to care for my son, and I deeply appreciate my state (Virginia) finding a Medicaid Waiver to support my son. Supporting the poor and disadvantaged are the bedrocks of my political support. This is what liberalism means to me. Bishop Barron, you are twisting this mindset into a whole new animal, the opposite of what Jesus taught.
I have a 39 year old son who is intellectually disabled. Republicans do not have a history of supporting assistance to those who cannot help themselves. As a Democrat from Chicago, I grew up seeing Democrats support those who needed help, not wanting to see anyone abuse support but knowing it is needed. Caring for the least of these is the message of the gospel. I need society's help to care for my son, and I deeply appreciate my state (Virginia) finding a Medicaid Waiver to support my son. Supporting the poor and disadvantaged are the bedrocks of my political support. This is what liberalism means to me. Bishop Barron, you are twisting this mindset into a whole new animal, the opposite of what Jesus taught.
You are completely right Sue! Bishop Barron can't understand it, and I'll tell you why... he lives in a Bubble of conservative propaganda... this is sad, because The Holy Spirit is absent this days in The Church... where is The Spirit of Truth??
Our Catholic Church is falling into fundamentalist heresy...
Things are not binary, nor people are good because they support x party and are bad because they support the other party. This whole idea is just ridiculous... we need a Church that understands our individual situations... God loves you, in spite of whatever party you belong to... I will pray for you and your son.
The blue wave will be back, it's happened before, it cycles. Sometimes people need to see what they voted for because they don't see the whole picture.
Taxpayers want to be able to care for their children, feed them educate them, protect them from drug coming over the open borders so many young people have died. Thats why I voted for Trump.
If those same parents didn’t think their kids had to have their own phone, tv, bathroom, etc., they would have plenty of money and still help others. God only asks for you to use 10% of the money He provided you to help others. Render to Caesar his taxes.
May the BLESSED LORD protect and guide him
I'm serious. What does this mean? What does "may" mean? What are you asking for? What do you want to happen? How would this "may" come about in a world in which God already knows everything,?
@@helpmaboabb❤ perhaps you are not a natural English speaker (my mother wasn’t either-she was French). The poster here is expressing her desire that God will continue to bless Bishop Barren. Sure, God knows everything, wants everyone to be blessed, but we can also “ask” (using the word “may”) for those blessings for ourselves & others. Hope that helps🙏🙌🏻🕊️
@@danielleprovenzale6805 my thanks, you have a good heart.
@danielleprovenzale6805 my thanks for this. You have a good heart
Count me as a Lutheran-tyrant, standing against these Hellenized truth claims of the true, good and beautiful.
As God see’s it. And today’s man/woman see’s it. Are so different extremes.
First and foremost God comes first. In society through out the world, man/woman come first. Nothing must come first but God. Nothing. Simple story, but true. Their talk was good. God Bless.
There is no fundamental problem with the libertarian view of liberty, rather it is the absence of associated responsibility where the liability begins. Liberty without social responsibility, not liberty itself.
Thanks, this was great to listen to.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What can we conclude about what the former president finds sacred…😢
At least he defended the least of society (disabled, poor,elderly, etc) rather than expecting everyone to contribute to maximize wealth or just "shuffle off" as these gentlemen put it so succinctly.
@@spinstercatlady What?! Trump defended the least of society? Are you insane? He separated kids from the parents and some kids were never returned! And he will double down this time.
Matthew 7:17-20
17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree can’t produce bad fruit, and a bad tree can’t produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.
@@deniseb-h8u my comment was definitely not about DT (although that's probably who the original comment was about), I was referring to Biden since he overturned Trump's evil plan to reclassify folks on disability so that they'd have to be reviewed every 6 months as well as his nightmarish immigration policies and policies that harm the most vulnerable of our citizens by cutting or severely reducing funding to social safety net programs. Take a look at my other comments on here, and it's clear that I believe DT is extremely dangerous in his policies. Sorry for the confusion 😕
Thank you, Bishop Barron👏👏👏🎉🎉🎉🎉👏👏👏
Always a pleasure to hear from the an important voice in Catholicism. Speaking of important--from the host of Daily Dose, another over-pronunciation of the word "Important" ImporTanT ...
Liberalism works for religious people. The failure is a religious failure, not a political one.
So many people are confused, not knowing the difference between right and wrong and thus make poor choices...choosing what they see others doing...instead of choosing the intrinsic good.
To think he has even deceived this guy! The greatest con artist of our time!
@@3Pups🤔not sure what u r talking about?
@@danielleprovenzale6805 Deceived by Donald Trump. Come on...
@ how has Donald Trump deceived anyone🤯? What you are really saying is all the Trump supporters are stupid and don’t know any better and have been deceived. Maybe you have been deceived by your candidates? 🙄
The moral institutions have abandoned claims to prophetic authority and have given up on persuasion.
Thank you for the insightful video!
Glad it was helpful!
Sed Libera nos a mało. Jesus Christ is our only liberty.
Our days are numbered
Jesus is still king of kings! May he use president trump as an instrument for the good of our nation and bring peace to ALL nations!
You're joking, right?
@@user-ll7fv6tu7k Trumps god is satan
Please stop shifting the "Burden" on Jesus....
@@joenguyen4673 that’s literally what the Lord wants us to do with all of our problems… give it to him.
If Trump is being used by God, it would be to destroy and punish us for having the type of people who would elect a person like Trump.
Am I the only one who hears a definition of current conservatism in this belief that we can never be virtuous, and so the state needs to restrain us..?
Yes, you are.
Conservatism is that belief that the state is an obstacle, albeit sometimes necessary for the smooth operation of the world, it's not something to depend on. It impedes ingenuity, charity, progress, reason, peace and prosperity.
Dean, conservatives would prefer the least amount of government necessary to ensure peace and prosperity within a nation. Conservatives like to rely on God as the penultimate to obtaining and exercising virtue🙌🏻
@ so when women want abortions, the government shouldn’t restrain them, but seek to teach them
@@danielleprovenzale6805 More like "lets cut the Medicare and Social Security to "incentivize" people do to charity. If nobody helps the needy, oh we..." Give me a break. It is 2024 not the Middle Ages.
@ not sure what you’re talking about? Nobody cuts programs to incentivize others to give😬
Thank you for this discussion, thought provoking. We need to ask ourselves am I practicing Catholic ( or other denominations or other religions) or not? How active are we in general society’s for common good, in politics, in business, in culture, and so on. If we are not practicing, we cannot positively engage in society’s common good nor be authentic contributors to common good. We are secular society and in secular society only practising Christians (Catholics or others) can positively be effective in society. New conversion and evangelisation is required or we will easily fall and follow tyrants to detriment of all (atheists not excluded).
@josipstipic8000 the only societal issue I ever see Catholics/Christians making a fuss about is abortion. That's fine, but where's the outcry on all the other issues that matter to the common good? I see no one speaking up when policies are made that harm society's most vulnerable citizens - the poor, the disabled, the unwanted children already in the system, the widows and the elderly , etc. When deeply conservative policies get made that cut safety net programs and welfare (SS, disability, SNAP, free school lunches, LI-HEAP for heating assistance, Medicare/Medicaid, etc) suddenly everyone becomes very quiet. We have many precious souls that are truly suffering - facing homelessness, going without medicine and dying, not having enough nutritious food to eat so they get sick, no heat or AC - yet where are the multitudes of Christians/Catholics who should be advocating for them?
Well this means that the modern view of liberty is the equivalent of licence. Hobbs was wrong because if we do not develop self discipline we cannot be free. But we must have the support of a civilized society governed by the rule of law with the notion of fairness and justice for ALL! This would mean we are then equal before AND under the law with not just formal rights but substantive - ie not oppressive! External control on the human person cannot ever be fair and just because as you say it is oppressive . A civilized society means we are not governed by a tyrant. Unfortunately we live in a time where Plato's view of a democracy is coming true and descending into tyranny. If the tyrant has absolute power to dissolve even the checks and balances built into the concept and practice of the rule of law in a democracy, there is only licence and never real liberty to be self governing. For me from the perspective of faith, it comes down to the difference between "thou shalt nots" and the singular "though shalt "... A social structure based on Love is one that requires governing authorities to understand the difference not just between liberty and licence but Love and its absence.
Diane, you are right in saying that if we do not develop self-discipline, we cannot be free. Discipline is the root of discipleship, and therefore, unless we have a belief in an ultimate God, then it is very hard to exercise any self restraint except for those imposed by the government. However, as you say, tyrants want to impose their own laws for their benefit. We did not see this happen when Trump was elected; the economy, our nation & the world were not in the chaos we have descended to with the Biden /Harris administration. This administration on the other hand has because of their own selfish desires caused our economy to fail, caused our country to become more divisive and has jeopardized world peace. Yes, love should be the driving force behind all that we do. God is love. love is willing the good of the other, even to the point of self sacrifice, as Jesus showed us. It’s not about the rights our constitution gave us or purports to give to us. 🕊️
Thank you. I would love to hear more about what the classical Christian definition of liberty is. I know what this is and it’s not that, so is there something that will explain the classical Christian way of liberty or thoroughly please?
"Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven" Satan, Milton's Paradise Lost. Is it?
Trump's election is almost relevant to the trajectory as it would have also been with Harris. The identity transhumanist, transgenderist liberal politics was doomed before it has even started. Trump was elected as a reaction against this craziness but not as an aspiration toward a better future.
You actually know that because?
Trump talked about a former golfer's p**is size, simulated a sex act on a faulty microphone at a rally last week, insults and belittles others constantly with the most profane and unholy expressions possible, lies constantly and is the antithesis of a moral leader. I am supposed to overlook that because somehow being "liberal" is worse than that? When did modern political monikers become the measurement for righteousness and truth? Character, integrity, and the rule of law matters. Righteousness matters. I would not want my sons or my grandsons to emulate Trump. I wish you would have talked about what a true moral leader looks like. It is not Trump.
horse-sh... Trump is authentic, and people relate to him. He also tries to find solutions to problems, and is willing to make decisions as to which is the best solution. Kamala Harris offered no solutions, and refused to make any decisions. Even her policy was a refusal to make a decision
@@josephcioppa1943people THINK they relate to him, but I reality he is a multi multi millionaire who wouldn't spit on the average man if he wasn't in politics. Trump and the average man have nothing in common. Typical parasocial relationship.
@@josephcioppa1943 What I remember about T's decision-making skills was his stance on Obama-care (wanting to repeal with no replacement) and his stance on ANY efforts of B's administration to bi-partisanly address Border concerns (i.e., killing a serviceable border bill with the help of his R cronies). Might your impressions be a tad "idealized"? In terms of Trump being "authentic", I have to agree with that as he won the popular vote.
So the Trump movement that won, and Trump so-called Catholics, what can we do to draw them away from their Hobbseean cliff?
Intelligent arguments at last.
I've across this video just now. I hope Bishop Barron and those priests who advised Catholics that they had to vote for Trump, I hope they will now take responsibility for the chaos and suffering that a Trump presidency will inflict on not just the American people but to those of us who live outside the US!
I don't think the Pope likes Trump from just his facial expressions in the past, but couldn't say not too vote for him. He left it up to conscience and it's sad how a cult like leader can suck people into his insanity. BUT the democrats didn't talk about how prices wont lower, how tariffs wont work. They are failing too in communication
Could you please clarify. Are you in the military, working overseas or... ?
I know the Pope is praying. He sees him as he is
In all of this you assume democracy which is simply foolish.
Amazingly put
This man is totally left, pointing at the liberals, he is on it just not clearly showing who is thinking this way at 16:44
Wow.
LIBERALISM... freedom from discipline of one's own human will. (aka being one's own god . . . reference eve and adam) rock and roll...no discipline to the 'dance steps.' Change of 'heart' of
mankind (humanity) IS A TRANSFORMATION of SOUL. RELIGION is the means to 'doing as HE said to do BY FAITH IN HE who is God, and in such obedience based on FAITH...His GRACED
PRESENCE increases within. (a slow and steady transformation, sometimes not perceptible even to the one being slowly changed IN SOUL)
I wish Bishop Barron talked more.
Interesting definition pity is there are so many variants to new age thinking, but putting Bishop Barron in that described category mnnnn don't think so he is set now and here's hoping he just maybe by the Grace of God one day our P0pe?🙏God Willing ofcourse.❤🔥
Christians no more understand what is Prophecy & its revelations Philosophy become Prophecy
Where was the prophetic insight?
Religion, Philosophy, and Psychology all advised The Middle Way of negotiating a path between opposites. Both Liberalism and Conservatism are both extremes. We should, as advised, stay between opposites not being bound to one or the other. Conservatism can be static and prevent movement or being in sync with the times. The ideal is to, as advised, follow the Middle Way while holding on the universal truths and values.
What they do not discuss here is the danger of extremes either of liberalism or conservatism. One is an excess of freedom, the other is an inhibition of movement with the times, which realistically has to be done and accomplished. We cannot live in accordance with the worldview of the Middle Ages as we are now in a modern age and things are much different.
This is not addressed here, it would be expected that these two commentators would know the religious and philosophical and psychological perspectives on The Middle Way.
They apparently do not so this discussion is unbalanced, concentrating on excessive freedom and the problems of that. They do not talk about excessive restraint or absent of freedom as also a problem.
Parents have to let go as their children become adults and trust that the values they instilled will be lived out when they are free of parental restraint and oversight in their adult lives.
The ultimate good has to come under the function of reason as what may be good in one situation may be bad in another. There are good and bad conflicts; to protect the innocent; good, or to gain power; bad. Good and bad are relative to the situation.
Dogma is a guide it is not applicable to all situations. To pretend that it is, is unrealistic.
I suppose that is why God er nature gave us intelligence to discern for ourselves if we will?
I feel like so much of the bad side of conservatism gets ignored. I hear no one speak about how the least of our society (the poor, disabled, elderly, widows, children) get hurt by extreme conservative policies that take away the programs they depend on to survive.
Right it is called a constitution with checks and balances to absolute power and tyranny.
@@spinstercatlady Right on and the whole world is following this ideology without critically thinking about anything but wealth power and status, when electing cons to do the job of 'governing '. !.
There is nothing extreme about conservatism.
I cane here to hear what Bishop Barron had to say. The other guy talked 95% of the time. He should just go and do a poscast somewhere. I'm out.
God is good all the time god is good, Remember there are gods laws and there are mans laws you should never mock gods laws saying your sorry and being thankfull can go a long way with him . There is only so much God will put up with. Abortion Kills 1 million people a year in America . He does not like killing of any kind Americas obeyed god command now lets be Thank full and get too Work
There is only so much God will put up with. Read Matthew 25.
God doesn't like people treating the least of His children (poor, disabled, elderly, etc) bad,y either. As Barron Bishop put it, there are those who want to get rid of programs that help them survive in hopes that they will just "shuffle off" bc they are unable to maximize wealth. The lives of the unborn matter, but so do the lives of those struggling to barely survive.
The people who voted for him will suffer with all the rest of us.
You are joking right
I voted for him. How will I suffer?
Your entire emotional state is founded on lies. Your entire intellectual state is founded on your emotional state.
Trump wants peace. The deep state very obviously wants war. Trump wants states to decide abortion. The left obviously wants unborn children to be slaughtered by the millions.
You excommunicate yourself when you vote pro abortion. Pro baby murder. Pro war.
Gladly👍 we suffered through it before.🕊️
We just elected Beelzebub for the second time. He is the most unchristian individual to ever inhabit the White House. This is not going to end well.
Just saying sh&t doesn’t make it true, learned very little from their talk waste of time.
Now, these 2 guys come up with a New Apology that "everuone is a Tyrant"....So what if Trump is a Tyrant.!!!
You will soon see how that works !
He was already president for 4 years, how delusional are you people? How lost in the lies of the left are you?
There was exactly 0 tyranny under Trump. Oh, you mean you can't wantonly murder unborn children?
This comment section is full of demons.
@@diannefitzmaurice9813
Trump is our chastisement.
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Kamala and the left would have been our ruin. Abortion without restrictions, grooming of our kids. Pompous and elites attitude. Thankful for Trump. Common sense
🤯not sure how you come to that conclusion, unless you’re part of the LGBTQ
Hard to think that the American people are THAT bad!
Barron makes me puke. All knowledge, little compassion...
Compassion? Your statement is nothing by empty hyperventilating. You cannot even define the word, if you think leftist baby murder is compassonate.
🤯now who’s being judgmental - do you know him personally? What he does in his everyday affairs? Your post would justify my belief that you are unkind😢 is that true? Hopefully not, but because we may disagree with what people say, doesn’t mean we should negate their beliefs, opinions or their persons. If you don’t agree with his positions, then make the argument for your position, otherwise don’t attack him personally.🕊️
Ushering in a theocracy. What a shame.
Not theocracy. Virtue.
@@tjseaney_ Virtue? Suckers and loser virtue. Trump loves him a bunch of dumb people.
Your using the word "virtue"in defense of trump? Seriously?
@@timmcvicker5775the Lord picks imperfect men to follow Him. Pray for Trump. Pray for our Nation.
@@timmcvicker5775 I actually truly don't get this ugly judgemental ism against trump.OK. he is not without flaws and given his easy ride from the success and wealth of his father.He has managed rather well I think he has some potential to improve....but...he is not up there alone he has others in positions to influence him,all around him.Get real.He has shown a good side.
What's the question? This chat is rather useless and full of verbosity...