The photo on the thumbnail is the album art of Oxygen Album by Jean Michel Jarre. I'm a big fan of Jarre,Peterson and you dear Chris. I just noticed that and wanted to express my feelings. 🥰
Please don't use click bait. This title and picture is feeding into a culture of fear porn. Please... It's a really good interview, but may I ask you not to feed the fear porn.
Hi interesting convo. You guys should talk about the upcoming zombie apocalypse. I know it's coming cause in my country belize some people who get sick with covid and go to the hospital are chosen to be tested on. They are infected with a zombie infection then poisoned or druged to study the reanimation. I am also infected and got infected while having to go through quarantine upon re-entering the country. It was a laced covid swab and I got sick after that day. My health had been declining since and I'm doing my best to fight it. I am in much pain and I can feel my body changing slowly and it hurts. I have no idea who to contact for help and can't go to the authorities since they are involved in having these tests done I fear I would be killed to cover up the story so I'm hesitant to make videos about my experience and pos5 it on youtube. Just hoping I can supress the infection long enough that my body adapts.
I would argue that the *depopulation phenomenon* goes back to _Noah's Ark._ Academically, however, the *depopulation discussion* is seen in Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare to Charles Darwin, etc. And given the history of governments and religious dogma, you can say that depopulation, i.e. *ethnic cleansing* goes back to the _CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM CRUSADES._ And let's not forget that the *Vatican* played the puppeteer role in the deadly war. At any rate, the point is that the depopulation talks are well-documented throughout mankind. Moreover, it is the so-called -self-proclaimed masters- behind their iron curtains that manipulate and accelerate the mass hysteria of everything that we're seeing now. It is them who weaponized this depopulation propaganda through mainstream *projective programming* for the so-called "necessary" governmental/elite-issued democide.
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
In America, family ties have all but dissolved. It wasn't too long ago that multi-generational households we're the norm. Grandparents cared for the kids while parents work. When grandparents were very old they were cared for at home instead of shipping out to a nursing home.
The society doesn't require both parents to work. It only encourages and propels people to choosing careers over having big families. The resources are all available, there are more than when Westerners had more children. It's that people have too many opportunities to choose monetary gains over family life. And there's a question of fairness, if, as you suggest, welfare states would increase their support for stay-at-home parents. Such support goes against the principle of increasing productivity, which is the basis of creating opportunities.
I think the only way humanity can survive if we bring back the traditional family norms and values. Too many women chase careers till their mid 30's and want to become 'independent'; by the time they want to have kids, they are either too old, too picky or have difficulty carrying children altogether; not to mention, feminism as a whole has created many issues as well.
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
@@joannebutcher860 Ironically the ice age part is true, the difference is that climate change got us from outside that one, but it's going to work against us when this cold period finally lifts.
You've got to be around my age. I "learned" those things as well. Neither one turned out to be true. Jordan Peterson is not the only one who's onto what's really happening with the population, and it's not about growth. It's about decline; serious decline
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
Expect a win fall to come soon and don't say no to the help I'm going to Pray the burden is lifted from You both so you too can focus on family, values and compassion I don't pray for money for myself as I find this is not a good thing, but I can Pray for others burdens to be easier for them. I Hope You see this, not to say it worked for me to hear, I Hope You see this so when this Prayer is answered, You know where it came from, not me but God and You're to give all Glory and Gratitude to God for this and not one ounce towards me, but if this win fall is the lotto, well I'm on disability with around 20 diseases, high risk stroke patient and multiple fractures in my spine, but most of all my conditions have been healed by Jesus, all Glory to God. Much Love from Heaven above and May God Bless You if so Willing I Love You too Goodnight my friend
It is done. I have no Children and always wanted to be a Grandfather telling the Grandkids my stories in life as they sit and listen in amazement. I'm 50 this year and been single for 7 years, no dating no sex, no lust at all Thank God, but You my friend have been blessed to have 5 children as your Grandparents did and don't be surprised if You and the wife end up adding 2 more under your wing that come out of blue as You and Your Brother did to them. Truly You are blessed to have children, enjoy every second that is to come that is extra time added to your schdule to allow more time with family, friends and neighbours May Father God Bless You and those You Love
My biggest issue for not having kids is not having enough money. I'm in the US and the cost of living is ridiculously high even without kids. Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.
Look at the Irony of this whole comedy. It wasn't war that destroyed us, It wasn't disease either, a comet probably won't end us,not even an asteroid. The human race will end due to a dollar bill. Sad but eventually true
Thank the government and the Federal Reserve. Inflation is basically an implicit tax. It's created when more money is created out of thin air beyond our means. Basic economics, really. The more of something there is, the less value it holds, and the vast and overwhelming majority of Dollars to have ever been in circulation have been created since 2020, maybe even 2021. Getting rid of the Fed and returning to sound money would go a long way toward easing people's burdens, I think.
Reasons for this phenomenon 1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work 2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education 3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
1. we were lower middle class, but we chose to life simply so I could stay home with the kids. 2. Kids don't eat much and their clothes is cheap, especially if you get hand me downs and shop at Goodwill. Also, education is free, except for about $30 in school supplies each year. College is mostly free too, if you kids earn it by making good grades for a scholarship. 3. YOU control 'work culture.' You get to choose how important work is to you in your life. It's not easy to make it, but it is doable, if you're not materialistic and focus on love rather than having nice things.
its the dissolving of the nuclear family, female education , contraception & abortions being the reason for population collapse in western countries. Not housing costs. - its ever since the rise of feminism in the 20th century, children also used to work, whereas now they are massively expensive.
@@connorjames6226 bruh stop spouting rhetoric and think. Korea, japan, taiwan too i think have even lower birthrates than the west. Do you mean to tell me these countries are more feminist than the USA or europe?
@@connorjames6226 Connor hot take but Abortion and Contraception are the greatest tricks men have ever played on women it allows them to use women for sex without any responsibility if she gets pregnant and its insane how so few women have realised this they are using you Contraception allows you to have sex inside of wedlock and Abortion ensures the irresponsible man does not have to take responsibility for his actions
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
@@frankjokel99 the world has 510.100.000 km² surface (including oceans) this means there''s 0.06 km2 for each person (7.7 billion). Now live on that piece of land and you're dead. It's not about how high we can get our population. It's about what humanity does with the space given. Much goes to shit because of humans (including me). We just need to let it go. Nature will push the reset button when needed(like it did so many times before)
@@kizurir8816 seems when I was born I was already paying rent to some land owner robber Barron..and I'm still paying rent to some greedy little psycopath who lied and cheated his way to owning every inch of dirt I stand on. But this is why we are lied to on a million levels so we never figure out we are born slaves to opulent dynasty family members and their sniveling obsequious toddies enablers.
@@nofutureproductions9242 -and they fullly believe as they have their entire history..they will own each of us too..you will own nothing but they will own you is exactly what they are saying..take your Somma,,a Huxley brave new world order is comming and you are going to need to be on Pfizer drugs to swallow it.
There's no ethical solution out of this. I mean we could just have an age of death where we send people to the afterlife to prevent societal collapse to due their being to many consumers vs producers or release a deadlier variant of covid which we have in the labs but anything short of that or mass immigration won't prevent collapse
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
@@jacksparrow3025 that's not how evolution works...evolution allows for those species that have adaptions to their environments to thrive. The idea that a species is "highly" advanced is incorrect as there's nothing that can define what that means. In 100 generations, humans could evolve into something that is "less complex" than we are today if it allowed them to survive in their current conditions.
@@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu I think you may have misinterpreted what he meant. Our ability to evolve would slow down if we decreased our population. Jack was advocating that we shouldn't stop reproducing hence multiplying the number of potential adaptations. Not everyone is a scientist and do not need to know and understand the particulars. Jack has the basic gist of it and that's perfectly fine.
@@perezclark123 agreed, right after I replied...I realized that he could have also been referring to societal and technological evolution. Face palm moment on my behalf lol
@@JumboCod91 I think it’s too hard to tell in a case like you propose. People in the early 1900s wouldn’t have thought of WWI and subsequently WWII having the effect that it did on the world. The climate of today may effect future generations socially but for who knows how long before something altogether different changes the system again. Evolutionary Biological time frames and the rapid change of society in last two centuries are occurring at vastly different rates
If population decreases on its own naturally without forced compliance, that is good for mother earth, less garbage and less air and water pollution. The ecosystems will have a chance to bounce back if people are in balance with our ecosystem. Living in high rise apts. is not "in balance". Check out the "Mouse Utopia experiment". We're seeing a glimpse of this in many cities today.
Maybe I can help Jordan here since I'm one of those people; how I see it: a system that relies on an ever-increasing population of young to supplant the old is inherently unsustainable. So, either it's a bad system and is fixed or it's only a matter of time until it extinguishes itself. But our system either can't, or won't, be fixed. So by process of elimination there is only one outcome left. And while I'm not happy about it, I am accepting of it. He asks, "what are we going to do about it?" Nothing. Enjoy the time you have left with the people who you care about.
I don’t hear strong arguments as to why we need more people. “More young people to support the aging sector…” is not a strong argument IMO, even though calamity does await us boomers if the economy/healthcare systems fail. I also do not hear about creating a system that includes those marginalized and therefore not contributing to social/economic growth. Avoiding population collapse would be a good thing. But I disagree with the idea that our population needs to grow.
I’m curious as to why you think our system will extinguish itself, if by that you mean extinction of our species. I see some rough road ahead, but not extinguishment or extinction. If, on the other hand, you mean our economic/governmental systems will be extinguished as they are replaced by other systems, I understand.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the West is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, which cost of living essentially is.
In my opinion i don't think money is the issue i think women these days require a lot of money and require the lifestyle that they sees in social media, they sees women without kids they say we don't want kids they sees women who has a lot of money they say they want a rich men ,they sees women with tall men they says we want tall men , i hope we have some how educations about the fake lifestyle and how to not think like how some influencer think , that is just my opinion, and my theory
Accept immigrants.western people won't help they weak like you. Stop lying..... Africa has a damaged economy but we thriving, it's selfish to think the way you do because it's all about you and money. How depressing it is to be wealthy yet have no legitimate heir.
Indeed. It reminds me of something George Carlin said. We assume we humans are separate from nature and yet we are in fact a product of nature. We are a vital part of nature's plan.
Exactly. It's not obvious at all that the planet HAS a side. It's nothing but a vessel. What's valuable is the life in it, and if we truly had our priorities straight we'd understand that all we truly have is each other, and of course, the other life forms that share this world. If the leftist hatred of humanity is allowed to propagate, we'll never flourish enough to leave Earth, or to take other life with us. We'll wither and vanish in a cosmic blink of an eye, whenever and however the universe decides that our time is up.
As a hospital leader I can tell you this is already a problem and it’s coming to roost right now, there simply aren’t enough young people in the healthcare workforce, I’ve only been there for 11 years and now I’m one of the most senior people there, between retirement, quitting due to stress and over worked, covid, etc. we don’t have enough workers to keep up w the increasing volume of patients
The solution should be simple than, less healthcare for the old, sick, and burdens on society. If it were animals we would know what the humane thing to do is!
You use the word "increasing" volume of patients implying that there is a greater percentage of people as patients than previously. Are there more people proportionately falling ill than in years gone by, and if so why? Could it be that the way our way of life has changed (NOT developed) over the last 100+ years is unhealthy for humans? I think so. Despite the discovery of antibiotics to cure many deadly diseases and other medicines to cope with many health problems, all sorts of new health problems keep appearing, debilitating rather than deadly, but destroying peoples' lives because they cannot function fully.
@@sebastianstarr007amen brother. I used to know an absolute mooch who had a genetic heart failure condition. $100K+ in free healthcare, numerous free surgeries, plus free top tier insurance. My working, contributing ass has to pay $8K for minor laparoscopic surgery... Make it make sense.
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Children are expensive as hell. If you don't ever think your dreams will come true,go and have kids. But if you actually plan on achieving your dreams,don't have kids!!
@@ShinkuGouki That might be taking it a step too far. I like to believe that people can be parents and achieve their dreams as well, especially women. Everyone should in the perfect world be able to do what they want.
@@robertgronewold3326 People that haven't completed their education and don't have a career shouldn't be having kids. Having kids doesn't hinder your ability to start a business or save money?? Of course it does. Having kids costs time and money. The very wealthy don't have to worry about this. I'm talking about the majority.
It's that point in an MMORPG where some players have inflated the economic system so much that people are simply leaving the game 'cause they don't have enough hours to grind the amount of money/resources they need to enjoy the game.
@@FazeParticles Because it's short term beneficial to some greedy people. Hence why we need to adopt an incorruptible currency such as bitcoin, which is designed as a tool to combat political induced inflations and control. Decentralized with no one at the top. But the WEF doesn't want you to know that and the Mass Media and politicians work closely together to demonize these innovations, and corroborate to take away your freedoms. All in the service of the great reset. And it's being exposed in Canada right as we speak. Earlier today an MP asked about Klaus Schwab and wanted to know how many people in the parliament are members of the World Economic Forum. He got silenced and cast out in a heartbeat. The video is on TH-cam. Why? Because Klaus Schwab has already openly admitted that Justin Trudeau and at least HALF of the Canadian parliament are members. And the same is true for EVERY other 1st world democratic country...
Let me add to this that Bitcoin is THE ONLY crypto currency that has these qualities. Every other coin has people in charge who can increase and decrease the amount of coins there are as they please. The number 2 coin, etherium, has already changed their max cap 7 times!
One of the biggest deterrents to having offspring are the costs. Wages are stagnant and housing is unaffordable. How are us young people supposed to afford to start a family when we are just getting by?
For me I just don't like kids at all. Spent my childhood going to school, coming home and dealing with 2 young siblings. I despise kids so much I'm embarrassed to have been one because I would have hated myself just for being soo f-ing needy. It's not something small humans can control, and people I respect the most are those who want kids, but I am not one
One reason for a population decline is, technology means we simply do not need as many people. Working a farm by hand, having children to help is good. With modern tractors and equipment, the family of 5 or 6 is just not needed. Humans will adjust.
The logical conclusion of your hypothesis is an anemic society where few humans work and the rise of the machines. All living things have a strong drive to reproduce, only humans are arrogant enough to think they have the planetary future figured out so they can rationalize NOT reproducing, arrogant fools.
My biggest regret about having children. Is the level of leverage society now has over you. What I am willing to do to keep my kids safe fed and healthy could be used as blackmail for a governing body, or individual.
It is true, and have always been like that, but what i'm afraid is that a majority of us, has lost or can no longer see the beauty of creating life or life just getting to live and prosper. People aren't searching for the mysteries that lurk behind corridors of choices made in ones life, or relishing in the fact that we got to live; be it a sad life or an ordinary life, in my book thats way better than having no life at all. This might be hypocritical, but i'm properly also choosing not to have children and it isnt cause of what i just mentioned, but that i don't want the hassle. Maybe that will change when i grow older we'll have to see.
I got married 22 years ago. I was 24 and my wife was 21. We had our first sooner than we thought and he was premature. We had to rely on some good old fashioned government assistance for a year and then got on our feet. We had four more kids (without government assistance) and have been running ever since. There are a few things I would do differently but not having five kids isn’t one of them. What it comes down to is that you CAN do with less. Unchecked Capitalism is not the problem. It is unchecked wants. Kids are a sacrifice. A big one. But anything worth having requires big sacrifice. It’s a refining fire. A trip to Disneyland is a once in a lifetime thing. Not a once a year thing. You can do with an LG phone instead of an iPhone. You don’t actually need Netflix, Hulu, or Disney plus. Your kids don’t need extra presents because your sister gave HER kids more. Presents don’t equal love. People talk about the “Good Ole Days” when raising a family was easier. My grandpa used to say that the only good thing about the “Good ole Days” is a bad memory. He grew up during the Great Depression. He said “dollars (silver) were as big as wagon wheels and there were damn few of them.” It’s never been easy or convenient to raise kids and if you wait until your totally ready you won’t ever have any. I know some can’t have kids or just do get the opportunity. But the ones who can and do have the opportunity should. Strong families are an amazing antidote to overreacting governments.
I agree. To this day only went to Disney once, and sadly it was before my youngest was born so he got screwed but we thought we were done haha I've got six kids, four I gave birth to and two I took on when my sister died. Husband had to work three jobs and I had to do daycare in order to stay home with my kids. I caught so much crap for staying home too, even by other women, actually, especially by other women! It wasn't fun and I often remained silent because I dreaded the question, "So what do you do?" I'd tell them and they would walk away. I never thought I made the wrong decision though. I knew I could raise my kids better than a daycare center and I was right. I have one daughter who is a double PHd , a Biologist and a Geneticist, and got scholarships for everything by working hard. Another is a Registered Nurse and another a Psychologist. Married young and three kids by 26, the fourth years later at 36. Here I sit now 52 and thirty years married still with with two teens and an 8 year old still at home. In some ways husband and I DO regret having so many because we've never had any time to ourselves but not in a serious way. Whole plan was to have kids young and be in our forties when they leave home and then he and I could travel. That plan is out the window.
I came to an important realisation. Middle class people need to be boosted for us to make more population. The attack on middle class by government is the problem here. They drain the middle class through various tax and restrictions and make it harder for them to make babies. Just my observation.
Not if they are even western conservative aka right-wing liberal. People who live in Jeddah or Moscow with traditional values are the type of middle class who should be having children.
No-one discusses the criminal danger imposed on people in relation to sexuality. It's a crime to have sex in front of children (why?). You'll have your child taken from you if you ask on the internet whether it's okay to feel aroused during breastfeeding. It results in a total ban on level relationships between young people and adults. The transmission of culture is blocked.
There's a difference between classic and neo marxism. Classic marxism went after the economic system and resulted in material shortages. Neo marxism went after the family and resulted in relationship shortages. Sure Wokeness has damaged economy and the middle class a bit, but there isn't a new Holodomor. But Wokeness has absolutely devastated relationships, marriages, communities, and souls.
Or... improve social mobility, so that the most capable people rise. The flip slide, of course, is that the less competent members of the middle class must be allowed to fail, in order to free up resources. Social mobility is a two way street in a society that needs to adapt.
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
All this is TOTALLY the game plan of the IMF. Look up Klaus Schwab's book and it's all there. Just one other point. Get any savings out of the bank. NOW 🙏
@@GK1976A Yeah, this could be true. Its like the meme of donating all the wealth to the local cat haven instead of the greedy family members. Families going extinct is always an option...
I don't think his main point is about the disaster of underpopulation, though he probably wants people to consider not making inevitable struggles worse by not having children they would have otherwise had. He's more using that point 1) to dispel the prevalent myth of overpopulation and 2) to use it to suggest the plausibility that there is a growing anti-life sentiment that runs deeper than the surface talk of population (or politics) and, having infected the minds of many institutions, it may wreak havoc like we can't imagine. So that people can be aware of the mindset -- see it in themselves and/or others.
Why do people always rush from one extreme to the other. Having 1-2 children is perfectly fine, it's just replacing yourself. Middle grounds are an option too.
in some ways, it's a self-solving problem. those with no life drive (the obedient, the simpering) will not reproduce. those of us with courage and strength and virtue will.
Over population is not a myth, like climate change is not a myth. People just refuse to accept concepts that they reject emotionally, instead of doing research of the subjects dispassionately.
A lot of these population collapse videos seem pretty tone deaf. Having and raising children requires resources like money, community support, and time. Even most of the comments under these videos acknowledge how expensive this is. Who’s going to volunteer to have children when you have to spend most of your free time at work and even then can barely afford to house and feed yourself?
I'm in the first half of my thirties, live about an hour outside a major city, and I have 5 (so far). It's very doable, you just have to come at it from the right angle
I’m fascinated by Dr. Peterson. He challenges all the views I’ve developed in the last 20 years. I don’t agree with him on all things but his opinion does make me pause and reflect.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
@@robertdouglas8895 This might be true in a modern marriage, but I'm not so sure it holds for marriages where women are fully reliant on their husbands, as was the case in the early part of the 20th Century and is the case in many impoverished countries. That said, I really hate how women are shamed for wanting to stay home and raise their children. Everyone knows children do so much better when their parents are around and invested in the wellbeing of their children. :)
It would be immoral for most young couples to have a child when they can't afford a home and they can't afford to take off time to work for child rearing
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
This is done by design. We became a morally degraded society. Everything that was wholesome and beautiful is now vacuous and ugly and oppressive. So much so that people are willingly offing themselves not to exist in this place
Can't agree more. Probably the greatest time since humans existed on this planet. There was actual peace and people all sorts where happy with themselves, did not care to dig what others did in their life.
I would start it in the mid-'80s and if you can ignore the bitter taste of Jimmy Carter, the mid-70s. It was a beautiful time to be alive, cruising was fun, and bonfires and sleeping on the beach were legal.
Simplicity was apart of that..... Material obsession is slowly taking over.... People seem more concerned over what eachother has rather than just being a good human...
Although I agree with the other replies here, living more frugally is an option as well. You probably don’t need everything you own and kids don’t need nearly as many toys and luxuries they have on average today.
On the flip side of that, what should serve as detterants to people abandoning parental responsibilities? And how do we stop people with broken marriages blocking their former partner from having their rightful place in their children's lives?
In 2022 is not the time to have children. I had my kids back in the 80s and '90s it was great. I'm not saying don't have children they are the best of the best they're my whole life and I love them I would die for them. Today no just no
to many have kids without thought to the responsibility, it's just the thing to do, and that's just wrong in so many ways . most of the rest want little mini-me's to stroke their oversized egos. those that are left either don't have kids for the right reasons, or have them and raise beautiful souls that nourish the planet and those they're around
Thing is, patenting sucks. Plenty of other things to occupy your time in a wealthy country. I don't blame young people for opting out at all. They see the day to day grind people like me go through and say no thanks.
Excellent comment! Share more on this subject, please! And how’s come all the former comments seem to leave God out of the picture? He shows us the one way of Eternal Life, through Jesus!
My grandfather lived with his 9 siblings in a two room duplex with one bathroom. He told me that his siblings and he were always outside playing, shooting hares and muskrats with their 22s, fishing and playing on the side of train tracks. They stayed outside and socialized all day and then returned home as a family in the evening. Man I'm so jealous of his generation, they had so many personalities and characters in his neighborhood he said they didn't need TV. They had so little and yet made the most of it, and all of them went on to have healthy and happy families. They all have grandkids who love them too. I am grateful that I could at least witness what a healthy generational family looks like. Say goodbye to the days of 6+ children from the West. Even though they are the ones who need it the most
@@thepagecollective I've never heard someone saying that touching a person is sexual assault. Maybe I'm too young or I live in a different country from yours. If you're talking about *private parts*, ofc it's wrong doing it. But I don't think that's considered sexual assualt. Maybe it's too much. It happened to me and I was probably very soft in that situation. It was uncomfortable and I didn't say much about it because people told me that "I have to be a man, and treating women as a princess". Even if they were doing sth clearly wrong. Stupid me. I think those type of comments made me hate people hugging me or giving me a kiss in the check as a salute. Also, I hate receiving physical compliments. It feels weird to me. So yes, I agree. We're not treating ourselves as the human beings we are. At least, it's my perspective as a random guy.
@@thepagecollective & @Dani Wow, the vast difference between your perspectives, yet both leading to the same result. The love in my heart goes out to both of you. Thank you for being you, you both make this world a better place and we all learn so much from each other. Take your hurt and do something powerful with it. Take dominion over it and make it your strength. Take care Friends
@@thepagecollective Ty for telling me that. I'm not from the US but it seems a bit... relatable what you're talking about. I heard about similar stories. I heard men here going to court because they "raped" a woman but at the end there was proof that it was sex with consent. Do you know what happened to those women? Nothing. They're free. Do you know what happened to those men? They got fired and their family sees them with different eyes. In other words, a woman ruined their lifes and there was no punishment. I know that being a woman in this world is difficult. But, dude... these things scare the hell out of me.
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
I have 2 children one boy and one girl and I too was always worried about finances but today I am financially stable and ready for a 3rd child, people just need to know how to spend their money, less creditcards, contracts for new phones and Starbucks but that's the standard of living most people don't wanna part with🤷
Mass culture is unsustainable. With a warming planet, the fact that viral differentiation will continue to expand and the real possibility of crop dysfunction leaves several factors beyond economics that will further lower population. Perhaps low enough to begin to support small self-sufficient communities. Where it all started in the first place.
what else do you expect from a consumer based economy? Extreme consumption creates greed, greed creates unsustainable living wages, lack of a living wage creates low fertility
Culture and Morals have a massive role to play in this mess. For much of America and Europe's time during the last 2 centuries, society was highly influenced by the cultural and moral beliefs of Christianity even if we structured our society secularly. Once the culture began to decay and the morals fade, the society began putting itself on the path of self-destruction. Fact is we have more than enough resources to sustain ourselves and a lot more people, but because of our lack of cultural guidance, there is nothing to channel our energy or ambitions to see it through. You can tell this is the case because the most efficient, patriotic, and stable groups of people in America today are the immigrants who arrived just in the last few decades, and that's not a coincidence.
I live in Portugal, I'm 25, I will often spend days without seeing a single fellow young person. Population decline is no joke because it really deeply affects the economical and political situation, young people have almost no effect on the country, and in the case of Portugal most of them especially the smartest, emigrate anyways which exasperates the issue. The whole country is geriatric, health problems are ubiquitous, Covid is like fire in a dry untended field in this situation. The bright side is that it's very calm and accommodating for an introvert like me.
I visited recently and I am entirely convinced there are more car dealerships than people. But a very peaceful coastline you are blessed with. Much love from Ireland 🇮🇪🇵🇹
I find it Interesting how your covid situation is brutal considering you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world with 110% of the population shot up. 🤔 I also find it interesting how here in Canada we’ve had more covid deaths and problems this year, than the year before any shots were even administered. 🤨
Wow so true. I visited right before the pandemic. I even asked my tour guide where all the kids were and she said there weren’t many. The only children I saw were the ones on vacation with their parents in my tour group. I went went with my best friend and we left our kids at home with our husbands so we fit right in lol . It was definitely calm and quiet which is exactly what we needed. Beautiful country ♥️
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Less people means that you don't have the workforce to replace what you previously had this is especially bad in our globalised world as economies become stagnant there is less money less credit in the system to facilitate growth. Good look to Africa when it become economically disadvantaged to ship them resources as western nations become more focused internally especially with the developing climate crisis. Aging demographics are horrible for any nation population decline is not a major issue if it is controlled but mass depopulation is catastrophic.
I'm not one of those who hate humanity, but i do hate greedy capitalism and big government. I am happy that the population is declining, maybe then people can actually afford a house?
World population NEEDS to shrink. It would bring more resources for those who remain. The modem system NEEDS to fail. A return to a close connection to the earth is the key to happiness, mental health, etc, and that can't happen with so many people.
The problem is not the people, its the sociopaths who steal from them. In old times they had nobles, now this. Inoptimality due to parasites. Has nothing to do w pop numbers, 70%of us are above 50.
Desert countries can't support large populations. There simply is no way to grow enough food, in other words, if a country cannot grow enough food to supply it's population with basic nutrition, it's overpopulated.
My wife and I chose to reject the “planned parenthood” thing and today have 8 children. It is by far the greatest decision I have ever made in my life. All of my children are better people than me. They are more loving and caring and more productive. Our family serves all mankind.
Unhappy people don't stay married and don't have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
Dang thats a nice family I came form a family of 2 just me and my sister my mother wanted a 3rd but my dad said no seeing how we ended up growing up that was by far the smartest thing my father ever did
There is such a need for society to slow down, to thoughtfully raise children, a need to not continually struggle. Everyone would be happier and healthier...but the current government and rampant inflation (and more) are against us.
People live in a state of unbridled consumption and fear. We slave away trying to get a bigger house, a newer car, better stuff... We do this while being afraid of terrorism, a virus, or whatever government and media say is going to harm us. Then, we gladly hand over our sovereignty and continue struggling to make ends meet.
Not me I love when people tell me what I think cause if there right I get an opportunity too change myself for the better if there wrong I ignore them . What I hate is when people pander too me and don't mean it
Trying to show honesty to people, makes them feel uncomfortable. But how uncomfortable will people be, when reality strikes, and they are ill-prepared for it? Our channel and our blog opens the door. If only more people would step through and enlighten themselves; the world would know, and the games would have to stop.
@@pantherman8719 So very true! I'm a woman and when I'm asked by some woman "does this dress make me look fat?" My answer is, you can't blame the dress. :)
being a mom is so undervalued, I've seen the way companies and society, in general treat them, so why would we want to have kids?...even spouses will leave all the responsibilities to the mom, and that's exhausting.
Exactly. Women are done doing all of the housework and the bulk of the child raising, while also working. We choose working because it at least allows us some autonomy. We understand that any children we birth would ultimately be our responsibility. Men can just walk away so much easier.
@@UnlicensedPharmaciszt most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
@@cr4yv3n and then your kid grows up as a teen and all that baby stuff turns into an iPhone, gaming console, tablet, expensive sneakers, cars, designer clothes and whatever other stuff these kids are having nowadays.
What it worries me is that the basic western civilization that most countries wanted to copy around the world, will collapse too, this because the population issue will not happen all at the same time, we see it in the most stable countries that have massive migration(Like France, UK, and Germany) from already collapsed countries creating a cultural clash, triggering old instinct of protecting their land from the invaders and a cultural gap that creates fertile ground for conflicts. I still dream of an off-the grid house...room full of batteries for a 120V, a big water tank, a proper spot for plating grains. I'm so done with globalization, my brain cannot take so much information of world, past, present and future, which it most be a component of people putting a gun in their mouth, it's so much...
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I love that one quote: _Whoever believes in infinite growth in a finite world with finite resources is either insane or an economist._ In nature, the population is controlled by predators, and the apex predators either fight each other or starve until equilibrium is restored... Also, think of this: a decade after Germany lost the war, the middle class recovered to the point that they could afford to buy a house with a garden, have a wife who doesn't need to work, raise two kids, one car, and one vacation a year overseas. Today, both parents work 100% (I even know families with more than two jobs!) and still can't afford to buy a home, but barely afford the rent of a small, shabby flat 1h from the city center where they have to work. Yet, the media tells them that they should be happy to live in Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful countries in the world... meanwhile, for what you pay in Germany for a low quality take away food, you get a three-course menu at a decent restaurant in Portugal and Romania has far superior internet (10x as fast, more stable, better coverage even in rural areas) compared to Germany, and they pay only 1/20th for it... Did I also mention that Germans are record holders in paying taxes and yet the public infrastructure crumbles as if they weren't paying a dime... There are so many other interesting examples from other countries, but they all point in the same direction: decline and fall and probably the rise of extremist parties and civil war, or regular war...
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Portugal and Romania might be good options for Germans with a German salary, but you are seeing this in a tourist way and not the reality on the ground.
I can recall reading about some financial research (nearly twenty years ago) which tallied up the overall tax burden for the average American citizen. I was shocked to learn that it was 56% of earned income. (the study included income taxes, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax, government service fees, bridge and highway tolls, fuel taxes, etcetera.) So, that looked rather ominous twenty years ago. What do you suppose that overall tax figure has grown to, today? My point is ... there is a reason that "Two Income Households" are the norm today. Obviously, when over half of the combined household income is taken away; that household becomes a "One Income Household" In other words, for each working parent in the USA; one adult is working exclusively to support government, while the other is working to support family. And, need I say ... if the figures were updated to reflect current tax burdens, it seems clear that the government takes a far bigger slice of the pie than it leaves for the children to divide. Surely, there is a reason that this data is not published these days.
@@gusgrizzel8397 Remember what you see isn't the entire story. Most immigrants work 3x harder than citizens because they aren't socially and financially established. There are many many many sacrifices made including time with their children. Ask a Chinese immigrant with a family of 5 how hard he actually worked to keep his family afloat and ensure his children had the means to have a better life than himself. He would never want his children to struggle to the same level he did. Saying they can do it why can't we is dismissing the sheer amount of hardships and sacrifice that went into their struggles to set up themselves and their families in this new country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
This might not technically be so bad if the large resources the government is taking in taxation were actually spent efficiently on things that improved the quality of peoples lives and made having children an easier thing to do
The western middle class IS already collapsing as they struggle to pay rising prices for property, bills and tax. Meanwhile the money they need to raise a family is taken away and given to those on welfare who see kids as income. We end up with an educated productive liberal class that is continually facing collapse and a poor uneducated class that grows and grows. The system is DESIGNED for a large uneducated population with low expectations who are conditioned to accept poor living conditions can only survive with support from the state , while lacking the motivation/ education and means to challenge anything the government does. A collapse of accountability...by eliminating the only genuine threat to power.
I agree wholeheartedly! I posted a comment prior to reading yours with the example on a global scale. The people with the most drive to forward humanity are stifled by the burden of overproducing to subsidize those who are unwilling to feed themselves. Population growth in itself is not the problem. The wrong people are growing the population.
The "poor and uneducated" are so because of the structures that make higher education a financial burden and of the wage structure of our society. Don't scapegoat people as welfare "scroungers" - if there were better routes forward to a better life, 99% of them would take it. Countries where child care is cheaper and universal allow families to have the number of children they want not the number they can afford.
Central banks are the disease, not humanity "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -Thomas Jefferson
people today (in the USA) have far more disposable income than when i was a kid 40 years ago. it is not how much things cost that people choose not to have kids, but their insistence that they have to have everything available to be happy. "poor" people today generally have a smart phone for each person, a car or 2, boxes of extra clothes, live in air-conditioned apartments, a large TV or 2 with cable and maybe a premium subscription or 2, a computer or 2, a game console or 2, internet access, and still have enough food to get fat.
Depopulation seems to be most prevalent in the most productive and technological economies. If those economies / countries go into decline because of depopulation how does the rest of the world cope. They can either up their game and take a leading role or the whole system just collapses. Previous collapses (e.g Rome) suggest the latter more likely and the world goes into downturn until the next innovative population rises from the ashes. Perhaps that's what awaits us.
@Yulfa Weisulf Except Rome only got to a low level of civilization where as we have become a space fairing, computer creating, AI enhanced, nuclear powered civilization so even if we fall, our leftovers and scions will be much further ahead technologically than the people who picked up the pieces after Rome.
@@PresidentialWinner Rome collapsed because they destroyed middle class and people simply lost f to give when upper class needed soldiers to defend borders. We are losing our best and brightest. "leftovers" are those that populate for example todays detroit or favelas in brazil etc.
@@TuubiName Destroying the middle class by raising $$$ taxes, unable to have property and mass immigration ... sounds familiar, as we're witnessing in the US and Western countries. It's what brought the Roman Empire down and history is repeating itself again.
My wife is a couple months pregnant with our third. Can't wait to add another addition to our family. My wife has no siblings and, she has always been sad about that. My children will have no cousins from their mothers side, no aunts or uncles. I'm thankful I have a few siblings myself. Family is very important to me. They're my motivation for life. They make me far better then I was without them.
But aren't you creating units of suffering, as world gets worse their life quality will decline fast. One kid is ideal , 2 is okay I suppose but 3 is too much unless you are super rich
@@NsShadid it's called concern for fellow human beings ,might be a foreign concept to you. I gave him certain perspective , I neither abused him or anything else
Sure, have more kids, it's so simple. I just need to pay off my $300k student loan debt and save enough to afford my first two-bedroom in Phoenix for $850k while renting a studio for $2k/month. Then I can afford to pay the hospital $20k for childbirth fees and start saving for their college tuition. Life's a beach.
@@tyroneknight9364 Moving to some flyover state doesn’t fit the needs of most people, unless you wanna live in some piney bungalow in New Jersey for 100k.
@Burger Joint - All of that education and you know very little about sacrifice. My question to you is why you are paying $2K a month for rent instead of sharing with roommates or not paying rent at all? Why do you need a house that costs $850K vs. a house that goes for $150K in PHX. Sounds like your priorities are all FUBAR. I received 450K in the first 3 yrs. in the military. I reenlisted for 4 yrs. and got my bachelor's degree without touching a penny of my GI Bill. Now that I have my degree, I have no use for the GI Bill so guess where that went? My children I am having. I am currently getting $4200 a mo. for my service 'every month' and my kids get 100% free education along with my 450K they can use for college if they do not get scholarships. Perhaps you should join the military and save yourself 10 -20 yrs. of hardship since you are clearly not on a scholarship program.
The world was a completely different place 150+ years ago. Children learned life-sustaining skills from their family and their community. The life skills that many of us boomers developed and relied upon were learned outside the community, that is, wherever the job happened to be. Because the global community forced many of us to move to where the applicable jobs were, we had less time for helping the children and less time to develop alternative life skills. Personal freedom and progress come at a "cost". Global economies are now capitalist economies regardless of applied ideology. The trick is to "manage it" on a global scale. Until a total world capitulation comes to pass, it is unlikely this can begin to happen. I wish I had something more to pass on.
21 years ago I was pregnant with my daughter, I had 2 sons and I was overjoyed to be having a girl. At the barber shop I will never forget the older men chastising me that I was "overpopulating" the planet. That was my first experience of this debate. Thank you Dr Peterson for speaking truthful wisdom on this!
What an *ssh@le! Even if you were which you most certainly weren't, what business it of his?? People always try to force their views upon everyone else. This is something that I avoid like the plague.
You should have as many kids as you can afford. What I resent is the greed of today. I have to pay an enormous amount of money to contribute to the care are raising of other people's kids. People should have to pay for the education and care of their own kids, but in return, be free to make their own decisions about how many they can support, and to what level of comfort. No tax breaks for anyone, especially kids. People may say I am being greedy, wanting to keep the money I make, and spend it how I wish. When I was a kid, we had no computers in school, and not air-conditioning in school, and teachers were paid nothing. We did fine, mostly, maybe better than kids today. My teachers should have been paid better, but not enormously more.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken I have 2 kids ages 16 & 18. I can afford another one, or rather I will be able to afford another one as soon as the two I have now leave the nest.
He is attacked 24/7 by the establishment, governments, mainstream media and millions of NPC twitter drones. He's a lone voice preaching reality in a world of delusion.
It took me until I was 30 to start my family after I finally met my husband who was the first man I ever dated who actually wanted children (with or without me). I was the first woman he met who actually wanted children (with or without him). We have been inseparable since our first date. We now have 3 children and 1 on the way. I'm thankful but my heart breaks to think of how old I'll be for my adult children. I may not even meet my grandchildren. We're doing our best to teach our children the value of family even though we came from very broken and dysfunctional families.
Bless you. Don’t worry about your age, it’s just a number. My 85 year old aunt drove a tractor into the fields to retrieve a newborn calf. She was the youngest “old” person I’ve ever known. Take care of yourself, eat healthy and with 4 children you’re getting plenty of exercise. You’re only as old as you feel. ❤️
Children grow up so fast It is heart warming to hear that despite coming from dysfunctional families you can look past and try to be everything for your children. I am sure one day they will realize how important that is.
There is a plethora of good nutritional information of the Internet. I particularly like Dr Berg. Start slowly, but begin to eat a low carb, anti-inflammatory diet. Exercise as much as possible. You can easily live into your 80's. With God's help you can do it in reasonably good health.
@@Mikethemerciless11 No need to be nasty Mike, just learn some basic maths. If two people get together and have two children the population remains constant. Everyone can have their moment in the sun :)
@@mrarkane Well, who enforces that? If two people get together and decide to have six children, or more, who stops them? And would you say that making it more expensive to have children in various ways is not exactly something people would choose? Anyone who says there's too many people on the planet are really saying there's too many people for their needs.
@@Mikethemerciless11 No they aren't, they are saying let humans have reasonable numbers so that other species can flourish and everyone have a good standard of living.
No. Looking past the absurdities of our time, a brighter horizon looms. Yes we will in all likelihood redefine our existance on this earth to prosper with fairness for all. It's the only logical prospect.... Short of anaelation.
I believe the only limitation for anyone having children is their ability to financially and emotionally support their children. If one cannot do both, then that person should not be having children at that time. The only problem arises when people have (unwanted) children, usually out of wedlock, that force that child to have to endure a life without a stable family or home. Even worse, some children are just dumped at orphanages. And then worst of all, some parents will go so far as taking out their frustration on the child. No child deserves to have to go through that hell.
I still keep wondering why poor families seem to always end up having more children than rich ones. Rich families usually stop at two or three while poor families seem to go higher than four. Why is that?
@@jediknight38 different countries have different kinds of poor people. I'm not sure how things are in the US or UK. But in my country, Myanmar, poor people have less access to education, and most relevant to this topic, sex education. Too many people from lower socio-economic statuses have very little working knowledge of contraception. Even though there is no religious objection to contraception, the sheer lack of reproductive knowledge means too many women do not know how to even prevent pregnancy. This brings me to my next point, in some countries, there are religious objections to contraception. And it is the case that with good education, people do tend to discard the less practical aspects of religion. So the inverse is also true. Religious beliefs tend to be strongly held in people who are less educated. All of this causes a positive feedback cycle, where poor people have less education, including reproductive health education, and this leads them to have more children. And with more mouths to feed, it puts more strain on resources that are already scarce, thus continuing the cycle of poverty.
@@whtfl I believe you're missing the point. Which is that we do not want kids to be born left and right in families that cannot support them, either financially or emotionally. The problem of how to get people of higher socioeconomic status to produce more children is much more complex, and is something I will not claim to have a solution to.
@@jediknight38 In my circle, the poor ones have multiple mental health/drug issues, combined people are careless about sex and everything else as their lives are a mess. I believe that to be true in other places too. + Many attachment issued people _feel_ children will resolve their loneliness and inability to sustain healthy adult relationships as well. That a larger family will resolve. A friend had another baby with a drug addicted schizophrenic even with two pre-existing kids she wasn't able to care for properly. As she had an abortion and for some (as I understand quite a few because it's traumatic) women abortion leads later to an obsession to have a kid. At least to some level poverty causes or is caused by lack of rationality. I'm poor too but I'm adequately rational and sufficiently intelligent to avoid those traps even with my own mental health challenges which lead me to be poor too. Childhood abuse has long lasting effects like in my case neurology gets all messed up as you fear for your life everyday for the first 20 years of your life. I know a lot I say is quite controversial but as far as I've seen having too many kids in my circle is caused by mental health challenges and the carelessness due to it. I edited a lot but just wanted to add, which came first poverty or problems? I don't know. I see a lot of childhood trauma (stemming from war trauma in previous generations) leading to poverty and poverty doesn't help to get things back in order as your focus is on the lack of basics.
As a youth advocate I'll tell you a core problem with this is the majority of kids being accidents, with unfit parents. Any combination of the following problems are growing rapidly: parents being poor, very young, coming from abuse themselves, multi-generational single mothers, multi-generational teen moms etc. At the same time, a growing majority of stable people are not having kids or even long-term romantic relationships well into their 20s and 30s. We also have the largest majority of virgins over 20, 25 and 30 years old than in history. The people who would have been stable capable parents have been heavily abused in childhood by being hyper-sheltered, which is corrosive to development. It's worse than Idiocracy predicted. Very soon, the vast majority of kids being born will be born into broken families, orphanages and utter chaos, desperately in need of role models & strong community, that could only come from the adults who put off having kids indefinitely. One of the most important trends I advocate for is adoption and fostering, also radically targeting the abuse in these systems via government that destroys potentially good parents before they can get approved, while leaving kids with abusive or dangerous foster parents at the same time.
That’s not true at all. Religious groups still have the most kids. Non religious groups have around one kid and usually divorce at some point leading to poverty etc
It's a systematic dystopian descent into a neo Marxist ideologically driven chaos. We are being intentionally emasculated because those that seek power hold an abhorrent doctrine, one they so arrogantly believe they understand, as their salvation and meal ticket to divinity.
Parents during childhood: “You don’t know how HARD it is to take care of you!” Kid as an adult: Remembers parent saying this and doesn’t have kids Parents: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
Zero incentives for people to have kids its expensive, it drains your mental health, if your kid does something stupid your looked down upon and are held accountable which is fine and dandy until you realize when you struggle already to make ends meet you get another dose of mental stress because your constantly at work because the economy is screwed up so bad you rarely have time to be home for your kid, thus the lord says your gonna be stuck in a loop forever until the kids 18 😈
@@sankalpverma618 Life has no value after your gone, I'm not gonna actively suffer while I am around to make it prosper, I won't actively harm humanity, but I won't devote myself blindly.
The richest man on earth tweeting about population collapse while thinking about going to mars to plant tomatoes and potatoes while working on a chip to insert into peoples heads is enough to start some questions.
Tell him to stop foreclosures, make people in their 80's and 90's to STOP COMPLAINING and be more decent to family members, and start a new branch of citizen based legislation which will help people with "humane" based issues like barking dogs, and safer laws to assist in a needed reduction of the load from overworked police officers. I wrote 60,000 word on a law like this in 2013.
Lol exxxactly, some major questions! Especially the brain chips, like seriously wtf!?🧠📲 How can that possibly be a good idea?? There's soooo much that could go wrong there. Ummm yeah thanks but nooo thankss
Despite what they say at 4:00 in, as a biologist who cares about biodiversity on earth and the horrific destruction of nature that we humans have inflicted on the planet, i will absolutely stick to the view that fewer humans in the future is going to be very good thing. Jumping to genocide and cancer from that is absurd.
@@benbirch2393 Ukraine IS the breadbasket of the Middle East and Africa. The countries with absolute food security are roughly Australia, France, Germany, the US, Russia and Canada. A few others squeak in. Without Ukraine the end of this year will be very hard in a lot of places.
@@benbirch2393 It is for many countries. That’s not an exaggeration. Even Russia’s a massive exporter of foodstuffs. This war has huge ramifications one numerous developing countries, don’t undermine that fact.
What about male infertility? the sperm count has halved on average since 1971 and is an ongoing steady decline. This is never talked about in discussions about population decline.
Natural birth control? Yes, this is a good thing. You says you can't have fun without paying for it? We guys have never wanted to get women knocked up. Child support is costly, jail is abhorrent.
@@JamalW239 With some animals such as coyotes, if the numbers in a given area get too high, the females go into heat less often until the numbers rise again. They seem to be able to regulate population size that the ecology will sustain. I wonder if this is what's happening?
@@rfn74 we are quite literally a part of nature but along with intelligence and self-introspection that NATURALLY developed we became able to think of ourselves as "not a part of nature". rather than thinking "we should be healthier", "we should be fitter", "we should use less and efficiently manage our resources" we instead think "there is nothing we can do so we should be removed so the world can be pure again" in my opinion, the worst part is the very people who have this belief do not form some suicide pact and end their lives in droves because they don't want to die, like any normal person, even though they are also "unnatural". while wishing death upon people isn't really good my question would be "why are you here then? why are you adding to the problem or taking the space and resources for someone who might do something?"
There is no population drop... in every major war or pandemic millions have died and the population only increased. There are most definitely population drops in arrogant nations who think they can control the future and the world. But most of them just get erased in time and it never affects the overall population growth. This is a myth just like climate change or any other notions based on presumptions and speculation. And it is all just another psyop nothing more.
@@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 how do you connect the Fermi paradox to declining population? I'd like to follow your thought, but I can't see what you mean.
@@OZUndead He is saying, once a civilization becomes advanced enough, their population declines drastically. Implying, this would be one of the big filters.
@@maximiliannowak7860 Ahh thanks for clarifying, in my mind the famous question "where is everybody?" was echoing around without considering this aspect.
😮😮My mom had 5 kids. 2 of us remained child free are enjoying retirement. We love spending our retirement time with nieces and nephews, traveling, relaxing. Their parents will be working until their 70’s or more to afford a possible retirement. Personally, I think having 1 or 2 children is fine, but people who have a massive # of kids that they cannot afford to raise are misguided.
As someone who is a great fan of Jordan Peterson I agree nobody should be telling young people they should or should not have children. I live in Australia and I do not see the nation becoming better because there are more people then there used to be. Quite the opposite. When developers bulldoze all the trees for the next suburb, where children are going to be brought up without a backyard to play in because developers want smaller blocks at increase prices, I don't see that as a good thing. When the animals that used to live in that Bushland are laying on the road dead, I do not see that as a good thing. When I see the most fertile land is being used for housing instead of food production, I do not see that as a good thing. Of course 25 million people in Australia is going to be more sustainable and 50 million or 250 million. How to educate people in Nigeria to stop having 8 children and increasing their crime and poverty is an obvious problem. I would say more but I have to go to work.
To be fair; about the only nations that 'may' stand a chance in a war vs another, are those who have 9 digit population numbers as well as being First World/Rule of Law societies. Russia no longer qualifies, just looking at the way Ukraine and friends are fighting back against Russia
We don't have to have it one way or the other. This could be a happy, healthy, prosperous life and even better then the good old days. We just have to manage it better.
@@grandmalovesmebest There will be no managing it better because people will not sacrifice to make it possible for more people to live well. There was a massive drought in my area in my youth. It was so bad that water use quotas were set so that schools and hospitals could have enought water to stay open and operational. The most well off in my nieghtborhood simply COULD NOT Comply. They said "I can afford it, I can afford to pay the costs and pay the fines....I'm going to water my lawn, wash my car"....do all the things that were forbiden to have enough water for schools and hospitals. This is how people are. There is too much entitlement. We can't even get people to wear a mask in a pandemic. We glorify the achievements of our elders who won WWII and beat Hitler, but they were willing to make Personal Individual sacrifices for the greater good. We are not.
I’m Canadian. In schools here it’s part of curriculum to teach about overpopulation, primary and secondary school, numbers that back up theories from what I recall. It’s interesting how I was “educated” on biased opinions, and not presented with all of the information, or encouraged to question certain given information in the Canadian education system.
@@VisheshSharma you would be correct only if the population reduced and the amount of money stayed the same. But that’s impossible, if the population gets reduced the amount of money in the economy will also fall because there is not enough spending, leading to a economic downfall
@@_4L There'll not be an economic downfall. Yes, the number of transactions in the world will reduce but what's the harm in that? In earlier days even the simple people could afford a big house on less income because there was sufficient land and little burden on the resources. More people doesn't mean more money per capita it only means more competition for space and earth's resources. I know this because I have lived in India and there are too many people there and a lot more competition on the limited resources that we have. In the end, no one is able to live well.
@@VisheshSharma That might be true only if much of the population was instantly wiped out instead of aging out - although still nowhere near Bill Gates' fortune if we're still a billion or so people. However, if the population declines through aging, that will result in reduced wealth. Elders can't work and produce in the same way, they need certain support, some more than others. Another point to consider would be how the decline of population is distributed. If it's, say, a natural catastrophe that wipes out the population of the Northern Hemisphere, there would be no increase in the income of the remaining population in the south. In fact, due to globalized economy and supply chain, their wealth would only reduce dramatically. Wealth is produced by the combination of work, raw materials and energy. Reduce any one of those components and wealth declines.
When a society creates primarily subsistence level jobs/wages which keep the majority on a hamster wheel in perpetuity it shouldn't surprise anyone that people think/believe there is overpopulation
This discussion is so full of strawmen that you can hardly call it intellectual. Peterson had a debate with David Benatar and completely missed the point.
Every habitat including the planet has a carrying capacity for a species, including one as innovative as our own. That’s not self hatred. It’s biology.
thank you. they all think that natural resources and SPACE is unlimited. since 1960 the world has gained around 6 billion people if i am correct. They think just because people got short term richer that this will last indefinitely. It wont.
@@VeganSanatani: I don't think you're in disagreement. They're saying nature corrects imbalances, so that overpopulation will be (is being) corrected. And humans choosing to regulate their birth rates is a lot better than famine, disease, disasters and war.
I've been educated to think that "small family is a happy family". Then someone did a maths based on population density per Sq km with respect to the most densed populated city and it came out that the whole world population can conviniently fit inside Australia with parks and recreational centers. Then I found this video which makes me question my education.
it can but we are very wasteful, especially the global top1%. also we consume alot of animals, there are 3-4 billion pigs, cows, bulls, chickens etc. currently on earth just waiting to be eaten, they all need space and consume alot of food and pollute, and we need space for other food obviously. don't forget the hundreds of millions of Animals that live as Pets, that consum, pollute etc. currently we are using the resources of 1.75 Earths, obviously that can't end well since we've been doing that since probably a century or more! Edit: exclude Chickens, there are nearly 20 billion Chickens alone apparently... yikes.
Yup. It's all a lie. The only problem is waste and pollution, really. If we farmed locally and ate locally, and didn't live in dense cities, this would be a much better place. We are certainly not overpopulated. We are wasteful and too focused on corporate money-making.
Instead of going out and eventually forcing women to have children, why don't you make it so parents can survive without both spouses heading to work. They're towing the line with the language that educated women are having less children is very dangerous.
Here's the thing though, given the rate of inflation compared to wages over the last 30 years, how many kids can a middle class family realisticly support by themselves without government subsidies
That's the part he isn't speaking to. Everything he said is correct, except that the reason that young couples (such as my wife and I) are choosing not to have children (at least right now) is that we don't really have the money to support them. It's as simple as that.
Thank you for not falling in line with those who worship and adore him like a god . He is brilliant and has done his own research on many if his proclamations. And he makes many salient and astute observations about our culture. I also share his contempt for those super entitled adult children who somehow got the notion that anyone "has the right to not be offended" Bitch, please 🙄 Free speech helps keep the thought police away
@@djimiwreybigsby5263 why does anyone worship other people like gods . JP is a very intelligent man with views I agree with for the most part but we're all flawed somehow no reason worship anyone like some crazy cultists. I just acknowledge his wisdom and take what parts help me too improve my life and move on
This is what happens when too few own too much of the market and crush any who try to enter the market. Competition is the only way for commoners to have a chance.
Population decreasing is not necessarily a bad thing the problem is the rate of decrease... If the proportion of young to old gets too skewed the system could collapse because it's based on young workers "paying" for the care of the old. The rates of drop the west is seeing are very concerning.
It's much more than a shift it's pretty seismic! You need young people to do the work and consume. Without it, society and our monetary policies will fail and fail hard!
I am with you on this. The only living thing on the planet that worries about human population, economic grown, consumption of products is Humans, Everything other living thing on the planet is better off without humans. I wonder if people truly believe that if the human population dropped to around 2 or 3 billion that we would be on the brink of extinction.
capitalism is flawed, any system that requires constant growth is unsustainable. we have a limited amount of resources which is why overpopulation is a huge problem that we'll all see once we're fighting wars over water.
That's an excuse your great granparents did it when they were poorer than you people today have a higher expectations for standard of living and see kids as a burden because they live longer, don't need the kids as much to survive when they get old as they did in the past. If your statement was true all the rich people would have the highest birth rates but that is not the case.
I shared a taxi with an engineer whilst on a work trip to India and we were talking about literacy rates and the caste system, and he said with a completely straight face 'Of course, eventually, we need to decide what to do with 500 million useless mouths'. History rhymes.
@donald johnson All apartments in many US cities allow dogs and they poop everywhere. Too many people don't pick up after their dogs. Luxury apartments complexes look like slums
Was the state of the economy brought up in this conversation at all? I'm 25 and most of my friends my age are not even *close* to being in a financial situation to be able to support kids. I doubt most of us will be by the time we're 30, especially if the pandemic carries on for a few more years. Most aren't on the property ladder, in parents' small homes, many are struggling for jobs and nearly all of us have horrible amounts of student debt. I honestly think we can point to that easier as a source for why so many are choosing not to have kids.
Watch Army of Satan (series) from 'Rational Believer', you probably will realise the reason for all this & you may get more enlightened. Should check Part - 4,5,6,8,10,11, upto 22. If you realise and agree then i will tell you the future of us/world according to Eschatology. Otherwise, its hard to understand.
You are correct. I'm from Vancouver Canada and the price of a small house is now two million dollars. No young person can even dream of getting married and having a family there or anywhere near there. It's just not possible unless you inherited a house or are a Chinese multi-millionaire...
Good! In today's world you probably shouldn't be having kids till then anyway. Lol. But really, you probably shouldn't... the world's a way bigger place than when our expectancy was 35. It's worth the investment in yourself to explore it a bit. You know, so you actually have something to pass on.
It’s crazy how people can’t support themselves in their own country and think twice before settling and having kids. Yet immigrants show up without even speaking the native language work hard save money learn skills and eventually learn the language while simultaneously raising a family of 5 with a stay at home parent. These things are happening at the same time. The problem is you were so obsessed with comfort and told you were going to be a successful person in life if you followed the plan your parents teachers and government paved for you. You were all played all following in a straight line one behind the other like sheep.
I can tell you that as a 3rd generation person affected by government intervention as in giving a way out to people that have kids together, that the degradation of society is definately linked to it. Weak families create weak people with problems that then go onto pass those down and even multiply the problem in one generations time. The problem is that men have became 2nd class citizens and the government has seen the advantage of keeping all families weaker and seperated.
In what ways does the government give a way out for parents today? It doesn't seem like a lot and if it is a lot I'd like to know. What you say does make sense but do you think the same amount of government intervention exists today? Seems about all we get is a small tax exemption along with lower income and higher living expenses. I don't think help would make my family weaker, only stronger as any help would be converted into savings and investments and give us more time to focus on the kid
So true. We've gone from a country with a hard-working and respectable working to a country that is literally heaving with chavs. It's really depressing.
What population collapse? The Left have been talking about this for decades and in fact a lot of them talk about eugenics and are in fact eugenicists. Remember it's the elite that believe that everyone should suffer except them off course. If we were to allow the ruling dolts to lord over us with these draconian lock down methods and silence dissent about alternative means of fighting this doomsday virus that was released a lot more would be dead. The left fought so hard to deny the science but didn't in fact let the science educate them or was it science at all but an insidious evil nature?
David Attenborough - Extinction -The Facts, an explanation of why overpopulation is bad for humankind . Jordon Peterson - Religious extremist, not a single reason why less population would be bad for humankind. When people like Sir David Attenborough call for a balance between human population and the environment the religious extremists try to paint it as genocidal. I can't help to imagine two similar planets where all the religious are on one and the secular on the other.
Marriage and a family are now a luxury only the wealthy can afford. Take it from me a guy who has been married for 18 years with 3 kids. The wife and I work very hard and live paycheck to paycheck. I worry about what my kids will have to go through in 10 years time as I see no future for them. I’m conservative and do not support abortion but I fully understand that those kids saved from the knife are facing a hard road as the government and corporations will do nothing to help them. This is a sad reality that I came to realization only recently. There’s nothing guys like JP and Ben S. offer as a solution because its deeply rooted in out current capitalistic structure. What do conservatives offer really? Stay at home mom and the dad working. Guess what folks. Its impossible to live middle class in that state. Its a conservative libertarian pipe dream that only wealthy conservatives propagate. Another reason marriage and family will fall apart is our toxic pop and consumer culture. Again this is propagated by so called capitalists who think you need porn, fast food, degenerate pop culture and social media to numb you down. JP him self has said on numerous occasions that he’s a capitalist but pretends to be a guy who puts helping people first. He tells you to man up but he himself got hooked on serious opioids. He was put in a medical comma for a few weeks just to survive. This is your life coach?! I know we all make mistakes but he’s a doctor who fully knows well what opioids can do. Then again he’a super rich and was able to throw money at the problem and I’m glad he’s ok today. Most working class and poor do not have that luxury.
What knife? ??? abortion is made by a pill inducing miscarriage. I know no inteligent woman who wants to stay at home. It makes you a slave at your husband's mercy. I still remember my grand ma who couldn't divorce her shitty husband bc of lack of her own money. Women want to work and don't want to stay at home. All women I know - almost 50 i am - even from my mother's generation - are of one opinion, although in many other cases they disagree - being at home with children sucks on so many levels, that it is better to work and be much more tired and busy.
@@Countcho And this is gonna be good? For whom? You know, all women I know WANT to work. It gives you your own money, independence, freedom, your own friends, status, you don't have to put up with the abuse from your husband with " i earn money therefore i am a tsar" complex, although there is still a possible version - I earn more money than you therefore i am a tsar ;) with his betrayal(s), his bad manners, or just the fact that you drifted apart and feel like strangers. Also it makes you feel safe in case of accident or death of a perfect, loving husband.
"Too many people" is what drives deforestation and overfishing, for one, and no amount of foreign aid ever being enough to feed the poor countries, for two.
@@MrShroomed Not to mention that governments, the US at least, are actually paying farmers not to grow anything. And then mandating corn crops get added to gasoline instead of bellies, shortening the lifespan of automobiles.
I didn't know about Mephestopheles before this, but it perfectly describes all the dark thoughts I've been trying to hold back about humanity. But this guy perfectly breaks down it's flaws, and now I want to be more like Virgil. Someone that can mentally dive into the deepest depths of humanity, reach the bottom, and still rise back to the top intact.
Buddha also called life suffering and he was a prince of a kingdom then, with beautiful wife and children. Life is crrap unless you somehow, with extreme effort make it worthwhile.
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee that's all subjective. equally meaningless and equally essential. the delusion is to ASSUME that this place, this experience, this universe, this version of "reality" is all that there is to know. and it's a shame that such an immaculate and precisely efficient system of physics and galaxies of infinite miracles occurring at the speed of light at each moment. its a wonder that we can see this and still not be inspired. not be amazed. and grateful. because we have come to fear suffering as if it dims the human experience. that's just all in your mind. if nothing good came from suffering then people wouldn't grow muscles when they lift weights. they would grow muscles when they ate donuts. throw your trash ass logic out the window and cherish something incomprehensibly complex. either way, God bless
@@jackdotblue OR EIGHTH DAY BY HAZEL O'CONNOR!!! OR CHINA IN YOUR HAND BY T'PAU!!! BTW I'M NOT SHOUTING... EYESIGHT PROBLEMS AS A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL YOU MIGHT EXPECT A FEW ISSUES!!! LIKE THE OVER USE OF !!!
@@blrbrazil1718 I don't agree. If society and economy need children, then they should help parents with the burden of raising those children, financially and structurally.
@@barbarasch6611: Well, as you probably imagined, my comment was aimed at the many women who have babies without a thought about how they are going to bring them up - and I recognise that the fathers are 'at least' equally to blame and must be held to account. You make a reasonable point - though I could come back at you and say "Nobody should have any more babies until the world's existing ones are being properly cared for" - but when the state gets involved then one has to see what is reasonable. Remember the Brave New World extreme, where babies were produced for specific functions and raised by the state? I think most people find that sort of 'highly rational' approach somewhat repulsive, but where is the healthy balance? That's what society needs to constantly be seeking - the healthy balance :o)
I had a group of 5 guys I was friends with my senior year in HS. All 5 of us still have no kids 10 years after graduating. Also, a guy I work with told me him and his two brothers don't have any kids. They're in their late 20s too.
@@ajay2787 its the intelligent and considerate people who think like that. Meanwhile, its the low IQ and inconsiderate who ignore that and keep having bundles of kids. 1 hanging off each limb.
@M 335 No! I had a husband for 5 years before we had our son. But he is younger and we waited for him to qualify in his career so we could afford for me to give up work. Then i had a seriously bad pregnancy nightmare birth. So no more babies. Had I been younger we could have given it a few years to recover and have another.
I’m sorry to hear about your poor delivery experience.. as an ex midwife, I am watching this problem spiralling out of control.. you are obviously well educated and hard working & if anything like our other youth in the same position- fed up of your taxes going to the unintelligent breeders
You did mankind's ecology a favor. We're out of balance and it is not sustainable. One need only observe the garbage being created and the irreprehensible amount of air and water pollution. It's little wonder cancer and other diseases are increasing. We've created a dangerous environment for ourselves as well as other creatures thru our sheer numbers. All creatures leave a "footprint" which is why there must be balance in the ecologies.
@M 335 Obesity is only one factor. Many obese do not get cancer. From reading I have done, another factor are all the man made pesticides that have been introduced into our environment. Food chemicals are atrocious. On my farm I spray an herbicide on my soybeans about three days before I harvest them so the weeds die and dry so they go thru the combine without clogging it. I don't like it, but thats standard agriculture today. Guess who's ingesting all the residues? Wheat growing is the same. I sell them, but I won't eat them. I buy organic food and rarely anything that's been processed. One of the young men at the elevator sampled a bean once by chewing it as they were being unloaded from my gravity bin. I told him those were just sprayed three days ago and I told him how these herbicides should be banned. He stated, "without them we couldn't feed the world". He's right. The population is too high for sustainable and environmentally friendly agriculture. 'Tis a shame that the Amish are doing farming right but their natural methods with horses and without chemicals couldn't feed the world. The population is too high. It's not sustainable.
I have lived in the same place long enough to go from seeing numerous stars at night to only a few thanks to the growing city's light pollution. I have seen patches of woods I played in and explored as a kid bulldozed down to build apartment complexes for always-pregnant Central Americans. I have seen the modest levels of traffic evolve to where regular streets ended up needing highways put on top. I have seen nice middle-America neighborhoods become ghetto hellholes. Don't tell me there isn't a problem.
Exactly, I have the same story, my Dad was an Air Force Fighter Pilot and we moved a lot, grew up in Maryland and California then came to Hawaii 30 years ago for a job and have been here since. Every one of those places I saw while living there go from a great place to grow up with woods to play in to congested hell hole. He is lying and knows it. He said predictions were for riots and starving and mass migration but NONE of that has happened? What a lying fool.
@@aaronjohnson1005 No this is a global problem. The answer is not to "move" that just delays the inevitable. Just because you havent seen the effects hes talking about doesnt mean that it wont inevitably affect your area as well as all other locations on earth in the future. Its really down to mathematics. You cant have finite resources and space and an ever increasing population. It simply does not work. You can only slow it down by taking massive hits to your quality of life.
Yes, and I also think about the large national and state parks I visited as a child which has beautiful remote spots like waterfalls, gorgeous views etc, you could enjoy them in complete seclusion or even camp overnight and not encounter another soul. Now you cant walk those trails or visit those spots without encountering 100 different people, with every spot extremely crowded and often polluted. It really deteriorates the quality of life. It used to be so nice to escape the bleak and depressing atmosphere of towns and cities, to get some peace and quiet. Now its nearly impossible to find.
Actually my feeling is that because the world isn't coming to an end, we are actually looking at a dip in global population rather than a catastrophic population decline, simply because humans are adaptable, and we will adapt, it might be to a less populus earth, or it might be a earth with better and cheap health care that keeps the population stable.
That’s not how it will go. Less tax money, less labor, less brain power. A lot of our retirement/social programs and economic systems are reliant upon a new wave of workers and consumers. That won’t happen. So a lot of programs that rely on taxes will collapse, businesses will fail, and you’ll have a lot of poor old people homeless on the street (not enough money or labor for nursing homes). Very bleak but that is what we are facing and why governments are very concerned about this. People don’t get that is your future and the only way out besides having kids is AI and robotics.
Why would health care get cheaper if there are gonna be more old ppl than young in future. Nurses will be high in demand and itll be nearly inpossible to keep up with thr system we have now
@SamandRie probably because he thinks universal Healthcare is a beneficial thing and that it does something other than ration care and drive down innovation.
@@Dcvdc56 so what are you getting at? Gas all the old people? Put them down so they don’t have to suffer? If there are more old people than young and the young aren’t having children then you can guess where we are headed. Some place far worse than rotting away in a nursing home. There won’t be anyone to take care of the elderly but the elderly.
It's even scarier to reproduce when the cost of living is rather high now. My generation probably isn't thinking of having kids much. I mean. Even providing for oneself is hard.
Having kids has showed me that kids have a way of providing for themselves. The whole “you’ll spend 1 million dollars by the time they turn 18” could not be further from the truth.
I agree, my girlfriend and I want kids very badly, but we just are having a really hard time providing for ourselves right now, we only get about $20 in savings at the end of the month and we have pretty decent jobs, it's hard right now.
@@TheOfficial42 Have them anyway, I promise you will figure it out. Ultimate motivator having a family to provide food and shelter for to sustain their well being. MAN UP
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Please don't use click bait. This title and picture is feeding into a culture of fear porn. Please... It's a really good interview, but may I ask you not to feed the fear porn.
As per what you said in your previous interview with Jordan (this saying really stuck with me):
"Do not do what you do not wish to become"
Hi interesting convo. You guys should talk about the upcoming zombie apocalypse. I know it's coming cause in my country belize some people who get sick with covid and go to the hospital are chosen to be tested on. They are infected with a zombie infection then poisoned or druged to study the reanimation. I am also infected and got infected while having to go through quarantine upon re-entering the country. It was a laced covid swab and I got sick after that day. My health had been declining since and I'm doing my best to fight it. I am in much pain and I can feel my body changing slowly and it hurts. I have no idea who to contact for help and can't go to the authorities since they are involved in having these tests done I fear I would be killed to cover up the story so I'm hesitant to make videos about my experience and pos5 it on youtube. Just hoping I can supress the infection long enough that my body adapts.
I would argue that the *depopulation phenomenon* goes back to _Noah's Ark._ Academically, however, the *depopulation discussion* is seen in Lord Byron, William Wordsworth, Shakespeare to Charles Darwin, etc. And given the history of governments and religious dogma, you can say that depopulation, i.e. *ethnic cleansing* goes back to the _CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM CRUSADES._ And let's not forget that the *Vatican* played the puppeteer role in the deadly war. At any rate, the point is that the depopulation talks are well-documented throughout mankind. Moreover, it is the so-called -self-proclaimed masters- behind their iron curtains that manipulate and accelerate the mass hysteria of everything that we're seeing now. It is them who weaponized this depopulation propaganda through mainstream *projective programming* for the so-called "necessary" governmental/elite-issued democide.
My theory is that population growth drops rapidly as soon as your society requires both parents to work. For the society to have children at a replacement rate, the economy needs to support a stay at home parent, or people will think it's too hard to have children.
In America, family ties have all but dissolved. It wasn't too long ago that multi-generational households we're the norm. Grandparents cared for the kids while parents work. When grandparents were very old they were cared for at home instead of shipping out to a nursing home.
working parents then feed their children sugar snacks and fast food. so the autism rates increase. and poor health decrease.
I agree with this. I have 3 kids and my wife stays home. My cousin has 5 and brother has 5. All have stay at home wives.
The society doesn't require both parents to work. It only encourages and propels people to choosing careers over having big families. The resources are all available, there are more than when Westerners had more children. It's that people have too many opportunities to choose monetary gains over family life. And there's a question of fairness, if, as you suggest, welfare states would increase their support for stay-at-home parents. Such support goes against the principle of increasing productivity, which is the basis of creating opportunities.
I think the only way humanity can survive if we bring back the traditional family norms and values. Too many women chase careers till their mid 30's and want to become 'independent'; by the time they want to have kids, they are either too old, too picky or have difficulty carrying children altogether; not to mention, feminism as a whole has created many issues as well.
When I was in my twenties, we were warned that human population would spiral out of control. We were also supposed to fear a coming ice age. Now were told the opposite. Predicting the future is a fool's errand.
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I totally agree ! That ice age thing ! So crazy - I think most Scientists are mad !
Politicians control science . They're psychopaths . Literally .
And because of that we now in a mess they left. Covid and Russo Ukraine war.
@@joannebutcher860 Ironically the ice age part is true, the difference is that climate change got us from outside that one, but it's going to work against us when this cold period finally lifts.
You've got to be around my age. I "learned" those things as well. Neither one turned out to be true. Jordan Peterson is not the only one who's onto what's really happening with the population, and it's not about growth. It's about decline; serious decline
I grew up w/ my granparents who were married shortly before the Great Depression. They raised 5 kids and then took on my brother and I. Gram would put on a pot of coffee after Church on Sunday, because someone would usually come to visit. There was a type of connection and ease with family and friends that is sadly lacking today. We've lost more than we've gained. My Wife and I also have 5 kids, but we have to work all the time. Families are being squeezed too hard.
Alas, I believe you’re right
I wish I'd had 5. We only have 3. I love them so much, they're such a delight, I wish I'd been open to more love and life.
Yes. There is a heavy price to be paid for having more stuff.
Expect a win fall to come soon and don't say no to the help
I'm going to Pray the burden is lifted from You both so you too can focus on family, values and compassion
I don't pray for money for myself as I find this is not a good thing, but I can Pray for others burdens to be easier for them.
I Hope You see this, not to say it worked for me to hear, I Hope You see this so when this Prayer is answered, You know where it came from, not me but God and You're to give all Glory and Gratitude to God for this and not one ounce towards me, but if this win fall is the lotto, well I'm on disability with around 20 diseases, high risk stroke patient and multiple fractures in my spine, but most of all my conditions have been healed by Jesus, all Glory to God.
Much Love from Heaven above and May God Bless You if so Willing
I Love You too
Goodnight my friend
It is done.
I have no Children and always wanted to be a Grandfather telling the Grandkids my stories in life as they sit and listen in amazement. I'm 50 this year and been single for 7 years, no dating no sex, no lust at all Thank God, but You my friend have been blessed to have 5 children as your Grandparents did and don't be surprised if You and the wife end up adding 2 more under your wing that come out of blue as You and Your Brother did to them.
Truly You are blessed to have children, enjoy every second that is to come that is extra time added to your schdule to allow more time with family, friends and neighbours
May Father God Bless You and those You Love
My biggest issue for not having kids is not having enough money. I'm in the US and the cost of living is ridiculously high even without kids. Inflation. Inflation. Inflation.
Read my 'population assist' idea
Look at the Irony of this whole comedy. It wasn't war that destroyed us, It wasn't disease either, a comet probably won't end us,not even an asteroid. The human race will end due to a dollar bill. Sad but eventually true
Your government is just busy supplying war in Ukraine.
Thank the government and the Federal Reserve. Inflation is basically an implicit tax. It's created when more money is created out of thin air beyond our means. Basic economics, really. The more of something there is, the less value it holds, and the vast and overwhelming majority of Dollars to have ever been in circulation have been created since 2020, maybe even 2021. Getting rid of the Fed and returning to sound money would go a long way toward easing people's burdens, I think.
Depends on where in the US you live
Reasons for this phenomenon
1. Shrinking of middle class requiring both parents to work
2. Dramatic increase in cost of having and raising children, particularly cost of education
3. Increase in work culture generally taking more and more available time from families
Just say unchecked capitalism.
4. Vaccc1nes
And both parents work 10 to 12 hour days. 6 and 7 days a week.
birth rates trail marriage rates
but peterson is too chicken to call that out
what does he want, single mothers?
1. we were lower middle class, but we chose to life simply so I could stay home with the kids. 2. Kids don't eat much and their clothes is cheap, especially if you get hand me downs and shop at Goodwill. Also, education is free, except for about $30 in school supplies each year. College is mostly free too, if you kids earn it by making good grades for a scholarship. 3. YOU control 'work culture.' You get to choose how important work is to you in your life.
It's not easy to make it, but it is doable, if you're not materialistic and focus on love rather than having nice things.
The cost of housing and living increases and people respond by having less children, who didn't see that one coming?
its the dissolving of the nuclear family, female education , contraception & abortions being the reason for population collapse in western countries. Not housing costs. - its ever since the rise of feminism in the 20th century, children also used to work, whereas now they are massively expensive.
Nope, Africa and the Middle East still going strong. Those people will rule the world in the future.
@@connorjames6226 bruh stop spouting rhetoric and think. Korea, japan, taiwan too i think have even lower birthrates than the west. Do you mean to tell me these countries are more feminist than the USA or europe?
@@coops1992 just population alone does not make your country a power. Africa and the midle east will be under China‘s thumb even more in the future.
@@connorjames6226 Connor hot take but Abortion and Contraception are the greatest tricks men have ever played on women it allows them to use women for sex without any responsibility if she gets pregnant and its insane how so few women have realised this they are using you Contraception allows you to have sex inside of wedlock and Abortion ensures the irresponsible man does not have to take responsibility for his actions
When the elites start saying there’s to many people on the earth and something has to be done, “well go ahead and start with yourself and do us all a favor. Leave this planet by any means you wish.” They say there’s to many of us but for some odd reason they don’t count themselves as one of the “to many of us.”
And all the people in the world would fit in two counties in florida
@@frankjokel99 the world has 510.100.000 km² surface (including oceans) this means there''s 0.06 km2 for each person (7.7 billion). Now live on that piece of land and you're dead. It's not about how high we can get our population. It's about what humanity does with the space given. Much goes to shit because of humans (including me). We just need to let it go. Nature will push the reset button when needed(like it did so many times before)
@@kizurir8816 seems when I was born I was already paying rent to some land owner robber Barron..and I'm still paying rent to some greedy little psycopath who lied and cheated his way to owning every inch of dirt I stand on.
But this is why we are lied to on a million levels so we never figure out we are born slaves to opulent dynasty family members and their sniveling obsequious toddies enablers.
@@chuckthebull you'll own nothing and be happy. They'll own it all.
@@nofutureproductions9242 -and they fullly believe as they have their entire history..they will own each of us too..you will own nothing but they will own you is exactly what they are saying..take your Somma,,a Huxley brave new world order is comming and you are going to need to be on Pfizer drugs to swallow it.
They crapped on the youngs for so long. We got crushed. And now theyre confused why we can't afford families?
There's no ethical solution out of this. I mean we could just have an age of death where we send people to the afterlife to prevent societal collapse to due their being to many consumers vs producers or release a deadlier variant of covid which we have in the labs but anything short of that or mass immigration won't prevent collapse
My thoughts exactly
Can’t afford or aren’t willing to!?
The government does help you know 🙄
@@cjpeery the governments caused all these problems, i think they've done enough
@@cjpeery when they feel like it
I really enjoy Dr. Peterson’s contrarian stances on things that I’ve been raised to believe to be universal truths. Really sheds light on how profoundly tight these hysterias have a grip on our culture. Phew, thank god for this man.
We need to keep reproducing so we can continue to evolve. We have come far, why end it now?
@@jacksparrow3025 that's not how evolution works...evolution allows for those species that have adaptions to their environments to thrive. The idea that a species is "highly" advanced is incorrect as there's nothing that can define what that means. In 100 generations, humans could evolve into something that is "less complex" than we are today if it allowed them to survive in their current conditions.
@@RicardoGonzalez-bn5uu I think you may have misinterpreted what he meant. Our ability to evolve would slow down if we decreased our population. Jack was advocating that we shouldn't stop reproducing hence multiplying the number of potential adaptations. Not everyone is a scientist and do not need to know and understand the particulars. Jack has the basic gist of it and that's perfectly fine.
@@perezclark123 agreed, right after I replied...I realized that he could have also been referring to societal and technological evolution. Face palm moment on my behalf lol
@@JumboCod91 I think it’s too hard to tell in a case like you propose. People in the early 1900s wouldn’t have thought of WWI and subsequently WWII having the effect that it did on the world.
The climate of today may effect future generations socially but for who knows how long before something altogether different changes the system again. Evolutionary Biological time frames and the rapid change of society in last two centuries are occurring at vastly different rates
There's enough on this planet for everybody's needs, but not enough for everybody's greed
We need a system that stops the greed and distributes it fairly
@@mattysav4627 who will then determine what “fair” is though?
We produce enough food waste to feed the world. World hunger is not* a food production issue, it's a logistical/political one
THIS IS THE MOST ACCURATE STATEMENT AND THE REASON OF POPULATION DECLINE IN THE WEST. CONGRATULATIONS SIR/MADA
If population decreases on its own naturally without forced compliance, that is good for mother earth, less garbage and less air and water pollution. The ecosystems will have a chance to bounce back if people are in balance with our ecosystem. Living in high rise apts. is not "in balance". Check out the "Mouse Utopia experiment". We're seeing a glimpse of this in many cities today.
Maybe I can help Jordan here since I'm one of those people; how I see it: a system that relies on an ever-increasing population of young to supplant the old is inherently unsustainable. So, either it's a bad system and is fixed or it's only a matter of time until it extinguishes itself. But our system either can't, or won't, be fixed. So by process of elimination there is only one outcome left. And while I'm not happy about it, I am accepting of it. He asks, "what are we going to do about it?" Nothing. Enjoy the time you have left with the people who you care about.
I don’t hear strong arguments as to why we need more people. “More young people to support the aging sector…” is not a strong argument IMO, even though calamity does await us boomers if the economy/healthcare systems fail.
I also do not hear about creating a system that includes those marginalized and therefore not contributing to social/economic growth.
Avoiding population collapse would be a good thing. But I disagree with the idea that our population needs to grow.
I’m curious as to why you think our system will extinguish itself, if by that you mean extinction of our species. I see some rough road ahead, but not extinguishment or extinction.
If, on the other hand, you mean our economic/governmental systems will be extinguished as they are replaced by other systems, I understand.
My school literally taught us in 10th grade that an ageing population is a bigger concern than overpopulation at this point
Unless Logan's Run become real.
Well, the Pandemic solved about 10% of that problem. and considering that the older generation is working 5-10 years longer also limits the problem.
You will have to work your hand to the bone for the rest of your life to pay for these fat people's health care and retirement pensions. Enjoy
"literally"
Well, Like most American teachers who think they know how the world works. They’re wrong.
Most people are afraid they can't afford to live if they have kids because of the ridiculous cost of living is too much.
Not true buddy, the richer people get the less children they have.
No, people in the poorest countries have the most kids. It's exactly reversed. The COL crisis in the West is pretty recent, but this trend is decades old. This is bigger than the hype of the day, which cost of living essentially is.
In my opinion i don't think money is the issue i think women these days require a lot of money and require the lifestyle that they sees in social media, they sees women without kids they say we don't want kids they sees women who has a lot of money they say they want a rich men ,they sees women with tall men they says we want tall men , i hope we have some how educations about the fake lifestyle and how to not think like how some influencer think , that is just my opinion, and my theory
Accept immigrants.western people won't help they weak like you. Stop lying..... Africa has a damaged economy but we thriving, it's selfish to think the way you do because it's all about you and money. How depressing it is to be wealthy yet have no legitimate heir.
Rich people don't want kids though and I support that. No need to fill the pockets of the child focused industries.
" You're on the side of the planet? Whatever the hell that means. "
Priceless.
To be fair, we are all on a side of the planet.
I'm on the side of the planet. The western hemisphere side, to be exact.
Indeed. It reminds me of something George Carlin said. We assume we humans are separate from nature and yet we are in fact a product of nature. We are a vital part of nature's plan.
Exactly. It's not obvious at all that the planet HAS a side. It's nothing but a vessel. What's valuable is the life in it, and if we truly had our priorities straight we'd understand that all we truly have is each other, and of course, the other life forms that share this world. If the leftist hatred of humanity is allowed to propagate, we'll never flourish enough to leave Earth, or to take other life with us. We'll wither and vanish in a cosmic blink of an eye, whenever and however the universe decides that our time is up.
@@Jams848484 Nah, bruh. We're all on the same side of this sphere.
As a hospital leader I can tell you this is already a problem and it’s coming to roost right now, there simply aren’t enough young people in the healthcare workforce, I’ve only been there for 11 years and now I’m one of the most senior people there, between retirement, quitting due to stress and over worked, covid, etc. we don’t have enough workers to keep up w the increasing volume of patients
The solution should be simple than, less healthcare for the old, sick, and burdens on society. If it were animals we would know what the humane thing to do is!
You use the word "increasing" volume of patients implying that there is a greater percentage of people as patients than previously. Are there more people proportionately falling ill than in years gone by, and if so why? Could it be that the way our way of life has changed (NOT developed) over the last 100+ years is unhealthy for humans? I think so. Despite the discovery of antibiotics to cure many deadly diseases and other medicines to cope with many health problems, all sorts of new health problems keep appearing, debilitating rather than deadly, but destroying peoples' lives because they cannot function fully.
@@sebastianstarr007damn lol
@@sebastianstarr007amen brother. I used to know an absolute mooch who had a genetic heart failure condition. $100K+ in free healthcare, numerous free surgeries, plus free top tier insurance. My working, contributing ass has to pay $8K for minor laparoscopic surgery... Make it make sense.
Yes, let's just ignore the burning little detail that many people who want children are horrified by the price tag attached to them. Long gone are the days where people could get married at the age of 19, have one spouse working a 9-5 job and able to easily afford to buy a house, raise four children and get a few luxury items along the way. Now we're all being saddled with mounting student debt that cuts into our ability to buy an ever more expensive home with ever decreasing wages, not to mention that the very act of having a child often costs as much as that child's college education will, and that's just what the hospital charges for the birth.
Children are expensive as hell. If you don't ever think your dreams will come true,go and have kids. But if you actually plan on achieving your dreams,don't have kids!!
@@ShinkuGouki That might be taking it a step too far. I like to believe that people can be parents and achieve their dreams as well, especially women. Everyone should in the perfect world be able to do what they want.
@@robertgronewold3326 People that haven't completed their education and don't have a career shouldn't be having kids. Having kids doesn't hinder your ability to start a business or save money??
Of course it does. Having kids costs time and money. The very wealthy don't have to worry about this. I'm talking about the majority.
" . . . able to easily afford . . ." It was never easy.
@@allanfifield8256 Okay boomer.
It's that point in an MMORPG where some players have inflated the economic system so much that people are simply leaving the game 'cause they don't have enough hours to grind the amount of money/resources they need to enjoy the game.
sounds like real life need some money sinks LMAO
@@RafaelROUNDUP Don't worry. I don't know where you live, but the "tax" money sink is most probably going to increase. Enjoy ;-)
Inflating the economy will do that. Why won’t they stop?
@@FazeParticles Because it's short term beneficial to some greedy people. Hence why we need to adopt an incorruptible currency such as bitcoin, which is designed as a tool to combat political induced inflations and control. Decentralized with no one at the top. But the WEF doesn't want you to know that and the Mass Media and politicians work closely together to demonize these innovations, and corroborate to take away your freedoms. All in the service of the great reset. And it's being exposed in Canada right as we speak. Earlier today an MP asked about Klaus Schwab and wanted to know how many people in the parliament are members of the World Economic Forum. He got silenced and cast out in a heartbeat. The video is on TH-cam. Why? Because Klaus Schwab has already openly admitted that Justin Trudeau and at least HALF of the Canadian parliament are members. And the same is true for EVERY other 1st world democratic country...
Let me add to this that Bitcoin is THE ONLY crypto currency that has these qualities. Every other coin has people in charge who can increase and decrease the amount of coins there are as they please. The number 2 coin, etherium, has already changed their max cap 7 times!
One of the biggest deterrents to having offspring are the costs. Wages are stagnant and housing is unaffordable. How are us young people supposed to afford to start a family when we are just getting by?
You cannot afford to have children now......society is collapsing.
Why have children? So they can suffer? So they can be enslaved by societies? Why would you have children today?
Fins something to flip. Really. It’s out there.
For me I just don't like kids at all. Spent my childhood going to school, coming home and dealing with 2 young siblings. I despise kids so much I'm embarrassed to have been one because I would have hated myself just for being soo f-ing needy. It's not something small humans can control, and people I respect the most are those who want kids, but I am not one
@BVale not a good time to start a family .
One reason for a population decline is, technology means we simply do not need as many people. Working a farm by hand, having children to help is good. With modern tractors and equipment, the family of 5 or 6 is just not needed.
Humans will adjust.
The logical conclusion of your hypothesis is an anemic society where few humans work and the rise of the machines. All living things have a strong drive to reproduce, only humans are arrogant enough to think they have the planetary future figured out so they can rationalize NOT reproducing, arrogant fools.
My biggest regret about having children. Is the level of leverage society now has over you. What I am willing to do to keep my kids safe fed and healthy could be used as blackmail for a governing body, or individual.
Thats so true, I feel the same. Im worried about the repercussions on my children and my hands are tied.
This is why I've been telling my kids since they were preteens not to bring children into this world. It's a scary place!
You are over thinking it Mac. Enjoy your family. Cheers
It is true, and have always been like that, but what i'm afraid is that a majority of us, has lost or can no longer see the beauty of creating life or life just getting to live and prosper. People aren't searching for the mysteries that lurk behind corridors of choices made in ones life, or relishing in the fact that we got to live; be it a sad life or an ordinary life, in my book thats way better than having no life at all. This might be hypocritical, but i'm properly also choosing not to have children and it isnt cause of what i just mentioned, but that i don't want the hassle. Maybe that will change when i grow older we'll have to see.
@@markandersen8235 they're a big hassle that's for sure!
I got married 22 years ago. I was 24 and my wife was 21. We had our first sooner than we thought and he was premature. We had to rely on some good old fashioned government assistance for a year and then got on our feet. We had four more kids (without government assistance) and have been running ever since. There are a few things I would do differently but not having five kids isn’t one of them. What it comes down to is that you CAN do with less. Unchecked Capitalism is not the problem. It is unchecked wants. Kids are a sacrifice. A big one. But anything worth having requires big sacrifice. It’s a refining fire. A trip to Disneyland is a once in a lifetime thing. Not a once a year thing. You can do with an LG phone instead of an iPhone. You don’t actually need Netflix, Hulu, or Disney plus. Your kids don’t need extra presents because your sister gave HER kids more. Presents don’t equal love. People talk about the “Good Ole Days” when raising a family was easier. My grandpa used to say that the only good thing about the “Good ole Days” is a bad memory. He grew up during the Great Depression. He said “dollars (silver) were as big as wagon wheels and there were damn few of them.” It’s never been easy or convenient to raise kids and if you wait until your totally ready you won’t ever have any. I know some can’t have kids or just do get the opportunity. But the ones who can and do have the opportunity should. Strong families are an amazing antidote to overreacting governments.
Well said 👍😊👏👏👏
Thanks for sharing your family stories. This is the backbone of our country.
Brilliantly put Brian!
I agree. To this day only went to Disney once, and sadly it was before my youngest was born so he got screwed but we thought we were done haha I've got six kids, four I gave birth to and two I took on when my sister died. Husband had to work three jobs and I had to do daycare in order to stay home with my kids. I caught so much crap for staying home too, even by other women, actually, especially by other women! It wasn't fun and I often remained silent because I dreaded the question, "So what do you do?" I'd tell them and they would walk away. I never thought I made the wrong decision though. I knew I could raise my kids better than a daycare center and I was right. I have one daughter who is a double PHd , a Biologist and a Geneticist, and got scholarships for everything by working hard. Another is a Registered Nurse and another a Psychologist. Married young and three kids by 26, the fourth years later at 36. Here I sit now 52 and thirty years married still with with two teens and an 8 year old still at home. In some ways husband and I DO regret having so many because we've never had any time to ourselves but not in a serious way. Whole plan was to have kids young and be in our forties when they leave home and then he and I could travel. That plan is out the window.
Do you think that your kids will be able to afford to own their own home?
I came to an important realisation. Middle class people need to be boosted for us to make more population. The attack on middle class by government is the problem here. They drain the middle class through various tax and restrictions and make it harder for them to make babies. Just my observation.
Not if they are even western conservative aka right-wing liberal. People who live in Jeddah or Moscow with traditional values are the type of middle class who should be having children.
No-one discusses the criminal danger imposed on people in relation to sexuality. It's a crime to have sex in front of children (why?). You'll have your child taken from you if you ask on the internet whether it's okay to feel aroused during breastfeeding. It results in a total ban on level relationships between young people and adults. The transmission of culture is blocked.
There's a difference between classic and neo marxism. Classic marxism went after the economic system and resulted in material shortages. Neo marxism went after the family and resulted in relationship shortages. Sure Wokeness has damaged economy and the middle class a bit, but there isn't a new Holodomor. But Wokeness has absolutely devastated relationships, marriages, communities, and souls.
the elite have all the money they need they just want to keep enough people to be slaves to them....thats it.
Or... improve social mobility, so that the most capable people rise. The flip slide, of course, is that the less competent members of the middle class must be allowed to fail, in order to free up resources. Social mobility is a two way street in a society that needs to adapt.
Population shrinkage is not a problem. Seriously
Having already discussed this 'problem' with most of my friends, who are nearly all single or in a relationship with no children. Most of them including myself are in the mindset of 'how would I find the time and money to bring up children?' Personally I find it an ongoing exhausting daily grind, just to look after myself and my partner. I live in the UK and I'm 46 years old, so it's never going to happen. My partner has just taken on a 2nd job as it's the only way she can get some savings in the bank, so I see her even less now. The UK government will finally realise, probably when it's already too late, that an economy can't survive without it's minions to do all the crappy jobs that they wouldn't want their kids doing.
All this is TOTALLY the game plan of the IMF. Look up Klaus Schwab's book and it's all there. Just one other point. Get any savings out of the bank. NOW 🙏
everything is planned and orchestrated by the elites, nothing happens by accident anymore.
It seems the big wigs arent having enough kids either...
@@lieshtmeiser5542 they’ve finally realised what a pain in the arse they are.
@@GK1976A Yeah, this could be true. Its like the meme of donating all the wealth to the local cat haven instead of the greedy family members.
Families going extinct is always an option...
I don't think his main point is about the disaster of underpopulation, though he probably wants people to consider not making inevitable struggles worse by not having children they would have otherwise had. He's more using that point 1) to dispel the prevalent myth of overpopulation and 2) to use it to suggest the plausibility that there is a growing anti-life sentiment that runs deeper than the surface talk of population (or politics) and, having infected the minds of many institutions, it may wreak havoc like we can't imagine. So that people can be aware of the mindset -- see it in themselves and/or others.
Why do people always rush from one extreme to the other. Having 1-2 children is perfectly fine, it's just replacing yourself. Middle grounds are an option too.
in some ways, it's a self-solving problem. those with no life drive (the obedient, the simpering) will not reproduce. those of us with courage and strength and virtue will.
@@legalfictionnaturalfact3969 "virtue" LOL
Over population is not a myth, like climate change is not a myth. People just refuse to accept concepts that they reject emotionally, instead of doing research of the subjects dispassionately.
@@CrakenFlux politicians with no knowledge on the matter but economic interests, spreading misinformation to gullible people, aren't helping either.
A lot of these population collapse videos seem pretty tone deaf.
Having and raising children requires resources like money, community support, and time.
Even most of the comments under these videos acknowledge how expensive this is.
Who’s going to volunteer to have children when you have to spend most of your free time at work and even then can barely afford to house and feed yourself?
Both are true at the same time.
I'm in the first half of my thirties, live about an hour outside a major city, and I have 5 (so far). It's very doable, you just have to come at it from the right angle
I’m fascinated by Dr. Peterson. He challenges all the views I’ve developed in the last 20 years.
I don’t agree with him on all things but his opinion does make me pause and reflect.
YES. This is his tremendous value to all of us ---and why the guardians of established thought detest him.
Unhappy people don't stay married and have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
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@@robertdouglas8895 This might be true in a modern marriage, but I'm not so sure it holds for marriages where women are fully reliant on their husbands, as was the case in the early part of the 20th Century and is the case in many impoverished countries. That said, I really hate how women are shamed for wanting to stay home and raise their children. Everyone knows children do so much better when their parents are around and invested in the wellbeing of their children. :)
@@robertdouglas8895 "most people" my uncle is unhappy and he is still having children with his wife, and they live at 2 separate households.
It would be immoral for most young couples to have a child when they can't afford a home and they can't afford to take off time to work for child rearing
For me the best time to be alive was early 90’s to early 2000’s. Society has just been going downhill ever since so really couldn’t care less if there is a population crash.
This is done by design. We became a morally degraded society. Everything that was wholesome and beautiful is now vacuous and ugly and oppressive. So much so that people are willingly offing themselves not to exist in this place
Can't agree more. Probably the greatest time since humans existed on this planet. There was actual peace and people all sorts where happy with themselves, did not care to dig what others did in their life.
epoch96
I would start it in the mid-'80s and if you can ignore the bitter taste of Jimmy Carter, the mid-70s. It was a beautiful time to be alive, cruising was fun, and bonfires and sleeping on the beach were legal.
Simplicity was apart of that..... Material obsession is slowly taking over.... People seem more concerned over what eachother has rather than just being a good human...
If parenting is so economically important (to society) how can we make it significantly less economically punishing (to the individual)?
Stop the class of people who print money and tax us all with inflation. Inflation kills.
Although I agree with the other replies here, living more frugally is an option as well. You probably don’t need everything you own and kids don’t need nearly as many toys and luxuries they have on average today.
Since the pandemic: Finland has seen a 7 percent leap in births, and Denmark and Norway have experienced 3 and 5 percent bumps, respectively.
This right here is the question people need to ask.
On the flip side of that, what should serve as detterants to people abandoning parental responsibilities? And how do we stop people with broken marriages blocking their former partner from having their rightful place in their children's lives?
I'd love to have a kid but the idea of finding someone i'd want to have a kid with is basically unfathomable at the moment.
In 2022 is not the time to have children. I had my kids back in the 80s and '90s it was great. I'm not saying don't have children they are the best of the best they're my whole life and I love them I would die for them. Today no just no
@@lynnmorley9094 wages are so low in my area that it's basically impossible anyways. Hard enough to survive let alone feed a gremlin
The threat of being put on child support by some woman should be enough for any man to dodge fatherhood like the China virus.
to many have kids without thought to the responsibility, it's just the thing to do, and that's just wrong in so many ways . most of the rest want little mini-me's to stroke their oversized egos. those that are left either don't have kids for the right reasons, or have them and raise beautiful souls that nourish the planet and those they're around
Foster children need you.
Thing is, patenting sucks. Plenty of other things to occupy your time in a wealthy country. I don't blame young people for opting out at all. They see the day to day grind people like me go through and say no thanks.
“You worry about leaving a better planet for your kids, how about leaving better kids for the planet?” - Tom Macdonald
So true! Since the Millenials it's all tipped toward self absorbed narcissists running the asylum.
This is a great quote, very thought-provoking
Yeah I'm not abandoning children to the future of dystopic narcissism fuelled stupidity. I can't think of anything crueller.
@@aKjohn8798
Everything everyone says has been said before in one way or another. Doesn’t make it any less true.
Excellent comment! Share more on this subject, please! And how’s come all the former comments seem to leave God out of the picture? He shows us the one way of Eternal Life, through Jesus!
My grandfather lived with his 9 siblings in a two room duplex with one bathroom. He told me that his siblings and he were always outside playing, shooting hares and muskrats with their 22s, fishing and playing on the side of train tracks. They stayed outside and socialized all day and then returned home as a family in the evening. Man I'm so jealous of his generation, they had so many personalities and characters in his neighborhood he said they didn't need TV. They had so little and yet made the most of it, and all of them went on to have healthy and happy families. They all have grandkids who love them too. I am grateful that I could at least witness what a healthy generational family looks like. Say goodbye to the days of 6+ children from the West. Even though they are the ones who need it the most
@@thepagecollective I've never heard someone saying that touching a person is sexual assault. Maybe I'm too young or I live in a different country from yours.
If you're talking about *private parts*, ofc it's wrong doing it. But I don't think that's considered sexual assualt. Maybe it's too much.
It happened to me and I was probably very soft in that situation. It was uncomfortable and I didn't say much about it because people told me that "I have to be a man, and treating women as a princess". Even if they were doing sth clearly wrong. Stupid me.
I think those type of comments made me hate people hugging me or giving me a kiss in the check as a salute. Also, I hate receiving physical compliments. It feels weird to me.
So yes, I agree. We're not treating ourselves as the human beings we are. At least, it's my perspective as a random guy.
@@thepagecollective & @Dani
Wow, the vast difference between your perspectives, yet both leading to the same result. The love in my heart goes out to both of you. Thank you for being you, you both make this world a better place and we all learn so much from each other. Take your hurt and do something powerful with it. Take dominion over it and make it your strength. Take care Friends
@@thepagecollective Ty for telling me that. I'm not from the US but it seems a bit... relatable what you're talking about. I heard about similar stories. I heard men here going to court because they "raped" a woman but at the end there was proof that it was sex with consent.
Do you know what happened to those women? Nothing. They're free.
Do you know what happened to those men? They got fired and their family sees them with different eyes. In other words, a woman ruined their lifes and there was no punishment.
I know that being a woman in this world is difficult. But, dude... these things scare the hell out of me.
@@Tasch81 Ty. Same for you.
That is nice!
I always wanted to have a big family since I was little, but was always worried about the financial issue. My sister recently got married and is staying home with her new baby even though they don't have a lot of money and i realized the issue wasn't really finances but expectations. They have a humble life but are happy.
I have 2 children one boy and one girl and I too was always worried about finances but today I am financially stable and ready for a 3rd child, people just need to know how to spend their money, less creditcards, contracts for new phones and Starbucks but that's the standard of living most people don't wanna part with🤷
Honestly, you will never have kids if you wait to have your finances in order.
@@kfedyanks or having it at 38 and get into retirement when the child is still on their elementary school
Raising children when you have little money is NOT fun.
That is exactly how my wife and I worked it out. It works.
Mass culture is unsustainable. With a warming planet, the fact that viral differentiation will continue to expand and the real possibility of crop dysfunction leaves several factors beyond economics that will further lower population. Perhaps low enough to begin to support small self-sufficient communities. Where it all started in the first place.
what else do you expect from a consumer based economy? Extreme consumption creates greed, greed creates unsustainable living wages, lack of a living wage creates low fertility
Wrong. The rich have the fewest children, the poor have the most
Culture and Morals have a massive role to play in this mess. For much of America and Europe's time during the last 2 centuries, society was highly influenced by the cultural and moral beliefs of Christianity even if we structured our society secularly. Once the culture began to decay and the morals fade, the society began putting itself on the path of self-destruction. Fact is we have more than enough resources to sustain ourselves and a lot more people, but because of our lack of cultural guidance, there is nothing to channel our energy or ambitions to see it through. You can tell this is the case because the most efficient, patriotic, and stable groups of people in America today are the immigrants who arrived just in the last few decades, and that's not a coincidence.
I live in Portugal, I'm 25, I will often spend days without seeing a single fellow young person. Population decline is no joke because it really deeply affects the economical and political situation, young people have almost no effect on the country, and in the case of Portugal most of them especially the smartest, emigrate anyways which exasperates the issue. The whole country is geriatric, health problems are ubiquitous, Covid is like fire in a dry untended field in this situation. The bright side is that it's very calm and accommodating for an introvert like me.
The last bit sounds nice
I visited recently and I am entirely convinced there are more car dealerships than people. But a very peaceful coastline you are blessed with. Much love from Ireland 🇮🇪🇵🇹
@@johntaggart668 bro 😂😂😂😂
I find it Interesting how your covid situation is brutal considering you guys have one of the highest vaccination rates in the world with 110% of the population shot up. 🤔 I also find it interesting how here in Canada we’ve had more covid deaths and problems this year, than the year before any shots were even administered. 🤨
Wow so true. I visited right before the pandemic. I even asked my tour guide where all the kids were and she said there weren’t many. The only children I saw were the ones on vacation with their parents in my tour group. I went went with my best friend and we left our kids at home with our husbands so we fit right in lol .
It was definitely calm and quiet which is exactly what we needed. Beautiful country ♥️
Been aware of this for well over a decade, so many in their late 20s or 30s have no kids, many aren't in relationships, also know many people in their 40s with no kids. Its going to drop off the cliff.
Let's hope so!
That's good news.
@@kissme1518 yeah lol. I see people being so worried about this... we need LESS people on this planet.
Less people means that you don't have the workforce to replace what you previously had this is especially bad in our globalised world as economies become stagnant there is less money less credit in the system to facilitate growth. Good look to Africa when it become economically disadvantaged to ship them resources as western nations become more focused internally especially with the developing climate crisis. Aging demographics are horrible for any nation population decline is not a major issue if it is controlled but mass depopulation is catastrophic.
I'm not one of those who hate humanity, but i do hate greedy capitalism and big government. I am happy that the population is declining, maybe then people can actually afford a house?
World population NEEDS to shrink. It would bring more resources for those who remain. The modem system NEEDS to fail.
A return to a close connection to the earth is the key to happiness, mental health, etc, and that can't happen with so many people.
The problem is not the people, its the sociopaths who steal from them. In old times they had nobles, now this. Inoptimality due to parasites. Has nothing to do w pop numbers, 70%of us are above 50.
I agree the population needs 2 shrink.
Tell Sub Sahara Africa
Yes, because resource distribution was great a few centuries ago when there were far less people in the world.
Desert countries can't support large populations. There simply is no way to grow enough food, in other words, if a country cannot grow enough food to supply it's population with basic nutrition, it's overpopulated.
My wife and I chose to reject the “planned parenthood” thing and today have 8 children. It is by far the greatest decision I have ever made in my life. All of my children are better people than me.
They are more loving and caring and more productive. Our family serves all mankind.
Unhappy people don't stay married and don't have lots of children. When people get happier the population will increase. the way to happiness is forgiveness, not blaming. We are maxing out on blaming; a pandemic in which people are blaming other people for getting sick is the sign that we are turning around. A worldwide elite justification of tyranny that people are refusing is another sign.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!!!
Dang thats a nice family I came form a family of 2 just me and my sister my mother wanted a 3rd but my dad said no seeing how we ended up growing up that was by far the smartest thing my father ever did
@@robertdouglas8895 you are on the right side don't mind these people
Wow! How can you afford it? Not even just financially, but time wise. That's dedication
There is such a need for society to slow down, to thoughtfully raise children, a need to not continually struggle. Everyone would be happier and healthier...but the current government and rampant inflation (and more) are against us.
If there are not enough working adults to offset the money spent on the retired and ill then society will collapse.
@@Madonnalitta1 just work until we die so the deadbeat socialists can sit around and ride wellfare.
@@midget9629 If social security is offered to you when you get old, you will take it.
And it's ALL been DELIBERATELY planned.
People live in a state of unbridled consumption and fear. We slave away trying to get a bigger house, a newer car, better stuff... We do this while being afraid of terrorism, a virus, or whatever government and media say is going to harm us. Then, we gladly hand over our sovereignty and continue struggling to make ends meet.
Jordan Peterson is a kindred spirit to me as we both understand the old saying “people love your honesty until you are honest with them”.
Yeah...especially women.
Not me I love when people tell me what I think cause if there right I get an opportunity too change myself for the better if there wrong I ignore them . What I hate is when people pander too me and don't mean it
Trying to show honesty to people, makes them feel uncomfortable. But how uncomfortable will people be, when reality strikes, and they are ill-prepared for it?
Our channel and our blog opens the door. If only more people would step through and enlighten themselves; the world would know, and the games would have to stop.
Happens to me every day 🤦🏼♂️.
I'm not rude either.
@@pantherman8719 So very true! I'm a woman and when I'm asked by some woman "does this dress make me look fat?" My answer is, you can't blame the dress. :)
being a mom is so undervalued, I've seen the way companies and society, in general treat them, so why would we want to have kids?...even spouses will leave all the responsibilities to the mom, and that's exhausting.
Exactly. Women are done doing all of the housework and the bulk of the child raising, while also working. We choose working because it at least allows us some autonomy.
We understand that any children we birth would ultimately be our responsibility. Men can just walk away so much easier.
Its better than having to go to some corporate bs job where nobody cares about you at all
Shut up women are the most catered to in this country 😂
All by design, the destruction of the nuclear traditional family, destruction of the two sexes, gender woo woo nonsense, sterility...
😂
It's expensive to have a kid. Daycare alone is like paying another rent bill.
Just wait till you need a crib, a stroller, pampers, nutrients, etc
Hooo boy!
Our country doesn't have public or affordable daycare/preschool like a lot of other countries do. It's a problem that needs to be solved.
@@UnlicensedPharmaciszt most countries don't have good healthcare and affordable childcare. Only a handful of European countries and Quebec (at the expense of other Canadian provinces) do. Most of the world requires multigenerational families and neighbors to take care of children.
@@cr4yv3n and then your kid grows up as a teen and all that baby stuff turns into an iPhone, gaming console, tablet, expensive sneakers, cars, designer clothes and whatever other stuff these kids are having nowadays.
@@C1K450how could kids afford them
What it worries me is that the basic western civilization that most countries wanted to copy around the world, will collapse too, this because the population issue will not happen all at the same time, we see it in the most stable countries that have massive migration(Like France, UK, and Germany) from already collapsed countries creating a cultural clash, triggering old instinct of protecting their land from the invaders and a cultural gap that creates fertile ground for conflicts. I still dream of an off-the grid house...room full of batteries for a 120V, a big water tank, a proper spot for plating grains. I'm so done with globalization, my brain cannot take so much information of world, past, present and future, which it most be a component of people putting a gun in their mouth, it's so much...
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé Jesus Christ is the only safe space worth having.. all else Will be a challenge
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé literally the only collective icon that forgives U for all sins if you admit then and ackowledge ur full of sin
@Tom 1 Gualpiémé if U admit ur full of sin Jesus Christ can release U from the sin, the punishment of absolutely all experiences.. and all experiences have sin, cause ure limited. After a long while without Jesus you Will eventually struggle to fight for basic right to exist. Your body itself Will Try to make U starve or die, cause believe it or not your very personality has the original sin, which is designed to deterioate U. You yourself is the worst enemy to yourself, cause you have the power to change. And its not enough cause you have sin, so eventually, maybe after conquering all ur competition, you Will start acting against your right to exist.. especially when you Are happy youll see this, cause self satisfaction promotes lazy feelings, and thats where the snake lives. The snake that eats U up, and that snake is in you. Not to mention the more self pride you have, the more people Will demand you to fix things, to the point they want you to die if you dont prove constantly you can save the world.. which you cant, cause Only Jesus can. No human besides Jesus has the power to save you from the weight of the entire universe.
@@fidgetyrock4420 🤦♂️preach elsewhere
Legend this is why im investing and saving ill go to a South american country and have a farm
I love that one quote: _Whoever believes in infinite growth in a finite world with finite resources is either insane or an economist._
In nature, the population is controlled by predators, and the apex predators either fight each other or starve until equilibrium is restored...
Also, think of this: a decade after Germany lost the war, the middle class recovered to the point that they could afford to buy a house with a garden, have a wife who doesn't need to work, raise two kids, one car, and one vacation a year overseas. Today, both parents work 100% (I even know families with more than two jobs!) and still can't afford to buy a home, but barely afford the rent of a small, shabby flat 1h from the city center where they have to work. Yet, the media tells them that they should be happy to live in Germany, one of the richest and most peaceful countries in the world... meanwhile, for what you pay in Germany for a low quality take away food, you get a three-course menu at a decent restaurant in Portugal and Romania has far superior internet (10x as fast, more stable, better coverage even in rural areas) compared to Germany, and they pay only 1/20th for it... Did I also mention that Germans are record holders in paying taxes and yet the public infrastructure crumbles as if they weren't paying a dime... There are so many other interesting examples from other countries, but they all point in the same direction: decline and fall and probably the rise of extremist parties and civil war, or regular war...
Welp...... A BIG problem iz dat we r uSIN our brain-power, 2 kill each otha. If we were 2 use our brain power 2 git our collective azzes, off dis rock, we would find nfinite resourcez.
Furthermo..... DUH real problem iz not finite resourcez. DUH real problemz, r lack of vision. Laziness. Paranoia, over loss of CONtrol. Lame-azzedness, iz DUH real problem. GREED!!!!
U HAVETA WATCH, WHO U FOLLOW, & WHUT U LISTEN 2. Disnfo, can put a real hurtin on ya!
Portugal and Romania might be good options for Germans with a German salary, but you are seeing this in a tourist way and not the reality on the ground.
Enlightening info on Romania & Portugal don't hear about you guys too often
@@JorgeOliveira-ow5uu exactly..the balance is in the income difference..
@@Einnor084 disinfo is comming from all sides with all different agendas at play and all of them basically designed to exploit you.
Now too many people. Just check the status of fishing. Most fishes are contaminated any more because of excess of people.
I can recall reading about some financial research (nearly twenty years ago) which tallied up the overall tax burden for the average American citizen.
I was shocked to learn that it was 56% of earned income. (the study included income taxes, sales tax, property tax, luxury tax, government service fees, bridge and highway tolls, fuel taxes, etcetera.)
So, that looked rather ominous twenty years ago.
What do you suppose that overall tax figure has grown to, today?
My point is ... there is a reason that "Two Income Households" are the norm today. Obviously, when over half of the combined household income is taken away; that household becomes a "One Income Household"
In other words, for each working parent in the USA; one adult is working exclusively to support government, while the other is working to support family.
And, need I say ... if the figures were updated to reflect current tax burdens, it seems clear that the government takes a far bigger slice of the pie than it leaves for the children to divide.
Surely, there is a reason that this data is not published these days.
The globalists insist - "You will own nothing and be happy."
I saw an Afghan woman come here with her 5 children. So why can she do it and others can't?
@@gusgrizzel8397 Remember what you see isn't the entire story. Most immigrants work 3x harder than citizens because they aren't socially and financially established. There are many many many sacrifices made including time with their children. Ask a Chinese immigrant with a family of 5 how hard he actually worked to keep his family afloat and ensure his children had the means to have a better life than himself. He would never want his children to struggle to the same level he did. Saying they can do it why can't we is dismissing the sheer amount of hardships and sacrifice that went into their struggles to set up themselves and their families in this new country. The grass is not greener on the other side.
@@livelovelife32 Chinese people aren't coming across the border illegally to live off of us, and you know it. So stop lumping all groups together.
This might not technically be so bad if the large resources the government is taking in taxation were actually spent efficiently on things that improved the quality of peoples lives and made having children an easier thing to do
The western middle class IS already collapsing as they struggle to pay rising prices for property, bills and tax. Meanwhile the money they need to raise a family is taken away and given to those on welfare who see kids as income.
We end up with an educated productive liberal class that is continually facing collapse and a poor uneducated class that grows and grows.
The system is DESIGNED for a large uneducated population with low expectations who are conditioned to accept poor living conditions can only survive with support from the state , while lacking the motivation/ education and means to challenge anything the government does.
A collapse of accountability...by eliminating the only genuine threat to power.
I agree wholeheartedly! I posted a comment prior to reading yours with the example on a global scale. The people with the most drive to forward humanity are stifled by the burden of overproducing to subsidize those who are unwilling to feed themselves. Population growth in itself is not the problem. The wrong people are growing the population.
Fantastic comment!!
The "poor and uneducated" are so because of the structures that make higher education a financial burden and of the wage structure of our society. Don't scapegoat people as welfare "scroungers" - if there were better routes forward to a better life, 99% of them would take it. Countries where child care is cheaper and universal allow families to have the number of children they want not the number they can afford.
I'm pretty sure the money being taken away is mostly going to the top.
. .....yeah but how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
When everything is so expensive that it's hard for anyone that isn't rich to have kids this is what happens
And who is at fault that everything is becoming expensive?
@@chuckyyes I would say that there are many contributing factors and you can't just pin it on 1 person or thing.
@@chuckyyes The elites and governments.
Central banks are the disease, not humanity
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."
-Thomas Jefferson
people today (in the USA) have far more disposable income than when i was a kid 40 years ago. it is not how much things cost that people choose not to have kids, but their insistence that they have to have everything available to be happy. "poor" people today generally have a smart phone for each person, a car or 2, boxes of extra clothes, live in air-conditioned apartments, a large TV or 2 with cable and maybe a premium subscription or 2, a computer or 2, a game console or 2, internet access, and still have enough food to get fat.
Corporates are worried that they will run out of people to exploit.
Thats what Overpopulation & Climate Change Denial is all about : ) : )
Don't governments exploit people too?
Depopulation seems to be most prevalent in the most productive and technological economies. If those economies / countries go into decline because of depopulation how does the rest of the world cope. They can either up their game and take a leading role or the whole system just collapses. Previous collapses (e.g Rome) suggest the latter more likely and the world goes into downturn until the next innovative population rises from the ashes. Perhaps that's what awaits us.
Perhaps, that's what they had in mind the entire time.
@Yulfa Weisulf Except Rome only got to a low level of civilization where as we have become a space fairing, computer creating, AI enhanced, nuclear powered civilization so even if we fall, our leftovers and scions will be much further ahead technologically than the people who picked up the pieces after Rome.
@@PresidentialWinner Rome collapsed because they destroyed middle class and people simply lost f to give when upper class needed soldiers to defend borders. We are losing our best and brightest. "leftovers" are those that populate for example todays detroit or favelas in brazil etc.
@@TuubiName Destroying the middle class by raising $$$ taxes, unable to have property and mass immigration ... sounds familiar, as we're witnessing in the US and Western countries. It's what brought the Roman Empire down and history is repeating itself again.
Except we've run out of other white republics to pass the torch to. The world is doomed. India has the best shot but it's not good.
My wife is a couple months pregnant with our third. Can't wait to add another addition to our family.
My wife has no siblings and, she has always been sad about that. My children will have no cousins from their mothers side, no aunts or uncles. I'm thankful I have a few siblings myself. Family is very important to me. They're my motivation for life. They make me far better then I was without them.
I hope your wife gives birth to a stillborn.
@@jbak87 jealous of a loving man for his woman and kids you nasty sick feminist individual you soy boy go play with the traffic.
But aren't you creating units of suffering, as world gets worse their life quality will decline fast. One kid is ideal , 2 is okay I suppose but 3 is too much unless you are super rich
@@HeisenMannj
Why is that any of your business how many kids he'll have.
@@NsShadid it's called concern for fellow human beings ,might be a foreign concept to you. I gave him certain perspective , I neither abused him or anything else
Sure, have more kids, it's so simple. I just need to pay off my $300k student loan debt and save enough to afford my first two-bedroom in Phoenix for $850k while renting a studio for $2k/month. Then I can afford to pay the hospital $20k for childbirth fees and start saving for their college tuition. Life's a beach.
Dont get into debt in the first place. If someone already has pay it off. then move to a location where 4 bedroom homes are 200k to 300k
$300k in debt?? Are you a brain surgeon?
@@tyroneknight9364 Moving to some flyover state doesn’t fit the needs of most people, unless you wanna live in some piney bungalow in New Jersey for 100k.
These are the issues that will have to be resolved to ensure a form of continuity.
@Burger Joint - All of that education and you know very little about sacrifice. My question to you is why you are paying $2K a month for rent instead of sharing with roommates or not paying rent at all? Why do you need a house that costs $850K vs. a house that goes for $150K in PHX. Sounds like your priorities are all FUBAR.
I received 450K in the first 3 yrs. in the military. I reenlisted for 4 yrs. and got my bachelor's degree without touching a penny of my GI Bill. Now that I have my degree, I have no use for the GI Bill so guess where that went? My children I am having. I am currently getting $4200 a mo. for my service 'every month' and my kids get 100% free education along with my 450K they can use for college if they do not get scholarships.
Perhaps you should join the military and save yourself 10 -20 yrs. of hardship since you are clearly not on a scholarship program.
The world was a completely different place 150+ years ago. Children learned life-sustaining skills from their family and their community. The life skills that many of us boomers developed and relied upon were learned outside the community, that is, wherever the job happened to be. Because the global community forced many of us to move to where the applicable jobs were, we had less time for helping the children and less time to develop alternative life skills. Personal freedom and progress come at a "cost". Global economies are now capitalist economies regardless of applied ideology. The trick is to "manage it" on a global scale. Until a total world capitulation comes to pass, it is unlikely this can begin to happen. I wish I had something more to pass on.
21 years ago I was pregnant with my daughter, I had 2 sons and I was overjoyed to be having a girl. At the barber shop I will never forget the older men chastising me that I was "overpopulating" the planet. That was my first experience of this debate. Thank you Dr Peterson for speaking truthful wisdom on this!
What an *ssh@le! Even if you were which you most certainly weren't, what business it of his?? People always try to force their views upon everyone else. This is something that I avoid like the plague.
You should have as many kids as you can afford.
What I resent is the greed of today. I have to pay an enormous amount of money to contribute to the care are raising of other people's kids. People should have to pay for the education and care of their own kids, but in return, be free to make their own decisions about how many they can support, and to what level of comfort. No tax breaks for anyone, especially kids.
People may say I am being greedy, wanting to keep the money I make, and spend it how I wish. When I was a kid, we had no computers in school, and not air-conditioning in school, and teachers were paid nothing. We did fine, mostly, maybe better than kids today. My teachers should have been paid better, but not enormously more.
I bet he had a bunch of kids of his own, a hypocrite is always the first to wave a finger while lacking any kind of self awareness.
@@DumbledoreMcCracken I have 2 kids ages 16 & 18. I can afford another one, or rather I will be able to afford another one as soon as the two I have now leave the nest.
@@meh5992 I truly do not like hypocrites!
He seems tired but more relaxed in this interview. I hope he finds time to put his feet up every once and a while, he deserves it.
It’s probably tiring being so intelligent and having so much wisdom.
It's also tiring dealing with idiots.
@@gingernoggin3158 hello truth spoken!!
@@gingernoggin3158 Well you are 146 years old. 😆
He is attacked 24/7 by the establishment, governments, mainstream media and millions of NPC twitter drones. He's a lone voice preaching reality in a world of delusion.
It took me until I was 30 to start my family after I finally met my husband who was the first man I ever dated who actually wanted children (with or without me). I was the first woman he met who actually wanted children (with or without him). We have been inseparable since our first date. We now have 3 children and 1 on the way. I'm thankful but my heart breaks to think of how old I'll be for my adult children. I may not even meet my grandchildren. We're doing our best to teach our children the value of family even though we came from very broken and dysfunctional families.
Bless you. Don’t worry about your age, it’s just a number. My 85 year old aunt drove a tractor into the fields to retrieve a newborn calf. She was the youngest “old” person I’ve ever known. Take care of yourself, eat healthy and with 4 children you’re getting plenty of exercise. You’re only as old as you feel. ❤️
Well you should encourage your children to have more children. The future will need smart, kind, and thoughtful people.
The girls will have a easy time getting married and shit. However boys will have a much harder time, from unrealistic standards.
Children grow up so fast It is heart warming to hear that despite coming from dysfunctional families you can look past and try to be everything for your children. I am sure one day they will realize how important that is.
There is a plethora of good nutritional information of the Internet. I particularly like Dr Berg. Start slowly, but begin to eat a low carb, anti-inflammatory diet. Exercise as much as possible. You can easily live into your 80's. With God's help you can do it in reasonably good health.
Don't ignore the fact that human the population is placing pressure on biodiversity and animal habitat.
I agree
Lead by example. Self-delete.
@@Mikethemerciless11 No need to be nasty Mike, just learn some basic maths. If two people get together and have two children the population remains constant. Everyone can have their moment in the sun :)
@@mrarkane Well, who enforces that? If two people get together and decide to have six children, or more, who stops them? And would you say that making it more expensive to have children in various ways is not exactly something people would choose?
Anyone who says there's too many people on the planet are really saying there's too many people for their needs.
@@Mikethemerciless11 No they aren't, they are saying let humans have reasonable numbers so that other species can flourish and everyone have a good standard of living.
I’m really starting to sense this is the end of times. I can feel it in my core.
No. Looking past the absurdities of our time, a brighter horizon looms. Yes we will in all likelihood redefine our existance on this earth to prosper with fairness for all. It's the only logical prospect.... Short of anaelation.
@@frankjacob1729 maybe fairness for all is a contributing factor for the fall of our society? more or less was for the romans
It's the end of this era. After the collapse, things will be better.
One could only hope 🙏
Hope you’re right.
I believe the only limitation for anyone having children is their ability to financially and emotionally support their children. If one cannot do both, then that person should not be having children at that time.
The only problem arises when people have (unwanted) children, usually out of wedlock, that force that child to have to endure a life without a stable family or home. Even worse, some children are just dumped at orphanages. And then worst of all, some parents will go so far as taking out their frustration on the child. No child deserves to have to go through that hell.
I still keep wondering why poor families seem to always end up having more children than rich ones. Rich families usually stop at two or three while poor families seem to go higher than four. Why is that?
@@jediknight38 different countries have different kinds of poor people. I'm not sure how things are in the US or UK. But in my country, Myanmar, poor people have less access to education, and most relevant to this topic, sex education. Too many people from lower socio-economic statuses have very little working knowledge of contraception. Even though there is no religious objection to contraception, the sheer lack of reproductive knowledge means too many women do not know how to even prevent pregnancy.
This brings me to my next point, in some countries, there are religious objections to contraception. And it is the case that with good education, people do tend to discard the less practical aspects of religion. So the inverse is also true. Religious beliefs tend to be strongly held in people who are less educated.
All of this causes a positive feedback cycle, where poor people have less education, including reproductive health education, and this leads them to have more children. And with more mouths to feed, it puts more strain on resources that are already scarce, thus continuing the cycle of poverty.
@@whtfl I believe you're missing the point. Which is that we do not want kids to be born left and right in families that cannot support them, either financially or emotionally.
The problem of how to get people of higher socioeconomic status to produce more children is much more complex, and is something I will not claim to have a solution to.
@@jediknight38 In my circle, the poor ones have multiple mental health/drug issues, combined people are careless about sex and everything else as their lives are a mess. I believe that to be true in other places too. + Many attachment issued people _feel_ children will resolve their loneliness and inability to sustain healthy adult relationships as well. That a larger family will resolve. A friend had another baby with a drug addicted schizophrenic even with two pre-existing kids she wasn't able to care for properly. As she had an abortion and for some (as I understand quite a few because it's traumatic) women abortion leads later to an obsession to have a kid.
At least to some level poverty causes or is caused by lack of rationality. I'm poor too but I'm adequately rational and sufficiently intelligent to avoid those traps even with my own mental health challenges which lead me to be poor too. Childhood abuse has long lasting effects like in my case neurology gets all messed up as you fear for your life everyday for the first 20 years of your life.
I know a lot I say is quite controversial but as far as I've seen having too many kids in my circle is caused by mental health challenges and the carelessness due to it.
I edited a lot but just wanted to add, which came first poverty or problems? I don't know. I see a lot of childhood trauma (stemming from war trauma in previous generations) leading to poverty and poverty doesn't help to get things back in order as your focus is on the lack of basics.
I don't have kids. Yet a portion of my taxes goes to support families with kids that can't afford them.
As a youth advocate I'll tell you a core problem with this is the majority of kids being accidents, with unfit parents. Any combination of the following problems are growing rapidly: parents being poor, very young, coming from abuse themselves, multi-generational single mothers, multi-generational teen moms etc. At the same time, a growing majority of stable people are not having kids or even long-term romantic relationships well into their 20s and 30s. We also have the largest majority of virgins over 20, 25 and 30 years old than in history. The people who would have been stable capable parents have been heavily abused in childhood by being hyper-sheltered, which is corrosive to development. It's worse than Idiocracy predicted.
Very soon, the vast majority of kids being born will be born into broken families, orphanages and utter chaos, desperately in need of role models & strong community, that could only come from the adults who put off having kids indefinitely. One of the most important trends I advocate for is adoption and fostering, also radically targeting the abuse in these systems via government that destroys potentially good parents before they can get approved, while leaving kids with abusive or dangerous foster parents at the same time.
That’s not true at all. Religious groups still have the most kids. Non religious groups have around one kid and usually divorce at some point leading to poverty etc
@@kombe971 Don't worry, thank God, society will also corrupt these children.
@@MrZakatista it’s a bunch of rubbish. People don’t want to take responsibility for their own lives
It's a systematic dystopian descent into a neo Marxist ideologically driven chaos.
We are being intentionally emasculated because those that seek power hold an abhorrent doctrine, one they so arrogantly believe they understand, as their salvation and meal ticket to divinity.
People are simply not having children for cultural reasons such as not having a career bedded down.
I believe your guest has the right to say what he want to say. That does not mean he is correct on the issue of overpopulation.
Parents during childhood: “You don’t know how HARD it is to take care of you!”
Kid as an adult: Remembers parent saying this and doesn’t have kids
Parents: *Surprised Pikachu Face*
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Zero incentives for people to have kids its expensive, it drains your mental health, if your kid does something stupid your looked down upon and are held accountable which is fine and dandy until you realize when you struggle already to make ends meet you get another dose of mental stress because your constantly at work because the economy is screwed up so bad you rarely have time to be home for your kid, thus the lord says your gonna be stuck in a loop forever until the kids 18 😈
Kids are your legacy, your true treasure
@@sankalpverma618 Life has no value after your gone, I'm not gonna actively suffer while I am around to make it prosper, I won't actively harm humanity, but I won't devote myself blindly.
The richest man on earth tweeting about population collapse while thinking about going to mars to plant tomatoes and potatoes while working on a chip to insert into peoples heads is enough to start some questions.
Tell him to stop foreclosures, make people in their 80's and 90's to STOP COMPLAINING and be more decent to family members, and start a new branch of citizen based legislation which will help people with "humane" based issues like barking dogs, and safer laws to assist in a needed reduction of the load from overworked police officers. I wrote 60,000 word on a law like this in 2013.
Lol exxxactly, some major questions! Especially the brain chips, like seriously wtf!?🧠📲 How can that possibly be a good idea?? There's soooo much that could go wrong there. Ummm yeah thanks but nooo thankss
@@missnellaful If there is one issue plaguing humanity it is excessive dog barking.
@@XOXOX4242 what If they force us to install those chips somehow ?
the richest man on earth? what? not even close, the richest people on earth are not even bookmarked on the internet.
Despite what they say at 4:00 in, as a biologist who cares about biodiversity on earth and the horrific destruction of nature that we humans have inflicted on the planet, i will absolutely stick to the view that fewer humans in the future is going to be very good thing. Jumping to genocide and cancer from that is absurd.
With war in the Ukraine massive food shortages are already happening
Totally agree.
@@ADZ01982 it's funny how we're all being asked to believe that Ukraine is the bread basket of the world, or that no one else can make fertilizer!!!
@@benbirch2393 Ukraine IS the breadbasket of the Middle East and Africa. The countries with absolute food security are roughly Australia, France, Germany, the US, Russia and Canada. A few others squeak in. Without Ukraine the end of this year will be very hard in a lot of places.
@@benbirch2393 It is for many countries. That’s not an exaggeration. Even Russia’s a massive exporter of foodstuffs. This war has huge ramifications one numerous developing countries, don’t undermine that fact.
What about male infertility? the sperm count has halved on average since 1971 and is an ongoing steady decline. This is never talked about in discussions about population decline.
This implies there are hordes of married infertile couples unable to conceive. People aren't getting married as much.
Natural birth control? Yes, this is a good thing. You says you can't have fun without paying for it? We guys have never wanted to get women knocked up. Child support is costly, jail is abhorrent.
Mens fertility is going down around 1% per year in the west. Women’s miscarriages are going U.K. around 1% per year in the west
@@JamalW239 With some animals such as coyotes, if the numbers in a given area get too high, the females go into heat less often until the numbers rise again. They seem to be able to regulate population size that the ecology will sustain. I wonder if this is what's happening?
@@johnc.8298 I would lean towards the more simpler options of plastics for men and older ages of child birth for women
Nothing abnormal about this , it’s nature at its best . We as humans can’t seem to get a grasp we are part of nature .
I dis agree politely...I'd say we can't seem to come to grasp we are not part of nature.
@@rfn74 🤦🏽♂️🤣
@@rfn74 Spirit isn't, all else is.
Depends with which one identifies with.
@@rfn74 we are quite literally a part of nature but along with intelligence and self-introspection that NATURALLY developed we became able to think of ourselves as "not a part of nature". rather than thinking "we should be healthier", "we should be fitter", "we should use less and efficiently manage our resources" we instead think "there is nothing we can do so we should be removed so the world can be pure again"
in my opinion, the worst part is the very people who have this belief do not form some suicide pact and end their lives in droves because they don't want to die, like any normal person, even though they are also "unnatural". while wishing death upon people isn't really good my question would be "why are you here then? why are you adding to the problem or taking the space and resources for someone who might do something?"
There is no population drop... in every major war or pandemic millions have died and the population only increased. There are most definitely population drops in arrogant nations who think they can control the future and the world. But most of them just get erased in time and it never affects the overall population growth. This is a myth just like climate change or any other notions based on presumptions and speculation.
And it is all just another psyop nothing more.
This is the first time ive seen a back up to "the empty planet " about the same thing. So thanks for this.
Look into the Fermi Paradox
@@yourpersonaldatadealer2239 how do you connect the Fermi paradox to declining population? I'd like to follow your thought, but I can't see what you mean.
@@OZUndead He is saying, once a civilization becomes advanced enough, their population declines drastically. Implying, this would be one of the big filters.
@@maximiliannowak7860 Ahh thanks for clarifying, in my mind the famous question "where is everybody?" was echoing around without considering this aspect.
@acedudeism wat?
😮😮My mom had 5 kids. 2 of us remained child free are enjoying retirement. We love spending our retirement time with nieces and nephews, traveling, relaxing. Their parents will be working until their 70’s or more to afford a possible retirement.
Personally, I think having 1 or 2 children is fine, but people who have a massive # of kids that they cannot afford to raise are misguided.
As someone who is a great fan of Jordan Peterson I agree nobody should be telling young people they should or should not have children. I live in Australia and I do not see the nation becoming better because there are more people then there used to be. Quite the opposite. When developers bulldoze all the trees for the next suburb, where children are going to be brought up without a backyard to play in because developers want smaller blocks at increase prices, I don't see that as a good thing. When the animals that used to live in that Bushland are laying on the road dead, I do not see that as a good thing. When I see the most fertile land is being used for housing instead of food production, I do not see that as a good thing. Of course 25 million people in Australia is going to be more sustainable and 50 million or 250 million. How to educate people in Nigeria to stop having 8 children and increasing their crime and poverty is an obvious problem. I would say more but I have to go to work.
To be fair; about the only nations that 'may' stand a chance in a war vs another, are those who have 9 digit population numbers as well as being First World/Rule of Law societies. Russia no longer qualifies, just looking at the way Ukraine and friends are fighting back against Russia
We don't have to have it one way or the other. This could be a happy, healthy, prosperous life and even better then the good old days. We just have to manage it better.
amen brother
Exactly increase in population, our land sizes are getting smaller and our living cost increases.
@@grandmalovesmebest There will be no managing it better because people will not sacrifice to make it possible for more people to live well. There was a massive drought in my area in my youth. It was so bad that water use quotas were set so that schools and hospitals could have enought water to stay open and operational. The most well off in my nieghtborhood simply COULD NOT Comply. They said "I can afford it, I can afford to pay the costs and pay the fines....I'm going to water my lawn, wash my car"....do all the things that were forbiden to have enough water for schools and hospitals. This is how people are. There is too much entitlement. We can't even get people to wear a mask in a pandemic. We glorify the achievements of our elders who won WWII and beat Hitler, but they were willing to make Personal Individual sacrifices for the greater good. We are not.
I’m Canadian. In schools here it’s part of curriculum to teach about overpopulation, primary and secondary school, numbers that back up theories from what I recall. It’s interesting how I was “educated” on biased opinions, and not presented with all of the information, or encouraged to question certain given information in the Canadian education system.
What's the harm if our population gets reduced though? We will all have the chance to live like Bill Gates.
@@VisheshSharma you would be correct only if the population reduced and the amount of money stayed the same. But that’s impossible, if the population gets reduced the amount of money in the economy will also fall because there is not enough spending, leading to a economic downfall
@@_4L There'll not be an economic downfall. Yes, the number of transactions in the world will reduce but what's the harm in that? In earlier days even the simple people could afford a big house on less income because there was sufficient land and little burden on the resources. More people doesn't mean more money per capita it only means more competition for space and earth's resources. I know this because I have lived in India and there are too many people there and a lot more competition on the limited resources that we have. In the end, no one is able to live well.
It really is an evil agenda. It promotes hating humanity and promoting mass extermination like abortion.
@@VisheshSharma That might be true only if much of the population was instantly wiped out instead of aging out - although still nowhere near Bill Gates' fortune if we're still a billion or so people. However, if the population declines through aging, that will result in reduced wealth. Elders can't work and produce in the same way, they need certain support, some more than others.
Another point to consider would be how the decline of population is distributed. If it's, say, a natural catastrophe that wipes out the population of the Northern Hemisphere, there would be no increase in the income of the remaining population in the south. In fact, due to globalized economy and supply chain, their wealth would only reduce dramatically.
Wealth is produced by the combination of work, raw materials and energy. Reduce any one of those components and wealth declines.
When a society creates primarily subsistence level jobs/wages which keep the majority on a hamster wheel in perpetuity it shouldn't surprise anyone that people think/believe there is overpopulation
The society or the government?
Wow I've wanted to hear an intellectual discussion on population for such a long time! Thanks guys!
feminism destroys civilizations
This discussion is so full of strawmen that you can hardly call it intellectual. Peterson had a debate with David Benatar and completely missed the point.
@@cosmicprison9819 I think you need to look up the definition of the strawman argument.
A one sided discussion
Are you familiar with the -Universe 25- experiments ?
JP takes a lot of his theory from its basis.
Every habitat including the planet has a carrying capacity for a species, including one as innovative as our own. That’s not self hatred. It’s biology.
thank you. they all think that natural resources and SPACE is unlimited. since 1960 the world has gained around 6 billion people if i am correct. They think just because people got short term richer that this will last indefinitely. It wont.
We are way over populated..and this old dude thinks that's a false statement.
@@VeganSanatani: I don't think you're in disagreement. They're saying nature corrects imbalances, so that overpopulation will be (is being) corrected. And humans choosing to regulate their birth rates is a lot better than famine, disease, disasters and war.
I've been educated to think that "small family is a happy family".
Then someone did a maths based on population density per Sq km with respect to the most densed populated city and it came out that the whole world population can conviniently fit inside Australia with parks and recreational centers.
Then I found this video which makes me question my education.
it can but we are very wasteful, especially the global top1%.
also we consume alot of animals, there are 3-4 billion pigs, cows, bulls, chickens etc. currently on earth just waiting to be eaten, they all need space and consume alot of food and pollute, and we need space for other food obviously.
don't forget the hundreds of millions of Animals that live as Pets, that consum, pollute etc.
currently we are using the resources of 1.75 Earths, obviously that can't end well since we've been doing that since probably a century or more!
Edit: exclude Chickens, there are nearly 20 billion Chickens alone apparently... yikes.
If you try to replicate Tokyo in Australia with Congolese… 🤦♂️ good luck.
Yup. It's all a lie. The only problem is waste and pollution, really. If we farmed locally and ate locally, and didn't live in dense cities, this would be a much better place. We are certainly not overpopulated. We are wasteful and too focused on corporate money-making.
Conveniently fit in which part of Australia? Are you including the inhospitable desert that covers half the continent?
I watched the video, also with calculations that Earth easily can feed at least 25 billions people.
Instead of going out and eventually forcing women to have children, why don't you make it so parents can survive without both spouses heading to work. They're towing the line with the language that educated women are having less children is very dangerous.
💯 the cost of living really needs to decrease.
Here's the thing though, given the rate of inflation compared to wages over the last 30 years, how many kids can a middle class family realisticly support by themselves without government subsidies
That's the part he isn't speaking to. Everything he said is correct, except that the reason that young couples (such as my wife and I) are choosing not to have children (at least right now) is that we don't really have the money to support them. It's as simple as that.
Lmao government and subsidies are the reasons for inflation, wage stagnation, etc...
@@andrewwabik5125 bullshit, kids aren't that expensive
@@frans7995 They cost the average household £200k . Factually incorrect statement.
@@wtice4632 are u a ancap 😂
JP is a good thinker, he's not always right. But he's got the humility to accept that he's not always right and will try to listen and learn.
@Esphaeras Praestans so you want medical tyranny?
@Esphaeras Praestans that's highly debatable and u would love to know why you think that way
Thank you for not falling in line with those who worship and adore him like a god . He is brilliant and has done his own research on many if his proclamations. And he makes many salient and astute observations about our culture.
I also share his contempt for those super entitled adult children who somehow got the notion that anyone "has the right to not be offended"
Bitch, please 🙄
Free speech helps keep the thought police away
@@djimiwreybigsby5263 why does anyone worship other people like gods . JP is a very intelligent man with views I agree with for the most part but we're all flawed somehow no reason worship anyone like some crazy cultists. I just acknowledge his wisdom and take what parts help me too improve my life and move on
@@matthewberkin5924 I share, what I suspect is, your sarcastic contempt for the whimsical nature of our cultural lexicon
Blackrock, Vanguard & State Street own everything & are commodifying humanity as we speak. I'm trying not to lose hope
Do not lose hope! Real and healthy human values will prevail. Pray for courage.
@BVale
Yeah. I own Vanguard and Blackrock ETFs..
This is what happens when too few own too much of the market and crush any who try to enter the market. Competition is the only way for commoners to have a chance.
@BVale I like how there was one story where the small investor won. It was the "Gamestonk" event.
I don't understand how this "collapse" is a bad thing. It will be a shift requiring adjustment but that's all.
Population decreasing is not necessarily a bad thing the problem is the rate of decrease... If the proportion of young to old gets too skewed the system could collapse because it's based on young workers "paying" for the care of the old. The rates of drop the west is seeing are very concerning.
Many of the societal ponzi schemes have foolishly and perplexingly relied on an unsustainable and endless growth in the population.
Funny thing is if you look at the rate in increase its okay but a similar decrease is viewed as the end of humans. @@jjjjrrr678
It's much more than a shift it's pretty seismic! You need young people to do the work and consume. Without it, society and our monetary policies will fail and fail hard!
I am with you on this. The only living thing on the planet that worries about human population, economic grown, consumption of products is Humans, Everything other living thing on the planet is better off without humans. I wonder if people truly believe that if the human population dropped to around 2 or 3 billion that we would be on the brink of extinction.
capitalism is flawed, any system that requires constant growth is unsustainable. we have a limited amount of resources which is why overpopulation is a huge problem that we'll all see once we're fighting wars over water.
In New Zealand 🇳🇿 we give millions of litres to Red China 🇨🇳 for nothing , true story , someone's getting a backhander
we only have limited resources on earth, out in space it's practically unlimited for our purposes
Ok Mr kill all people
Cost of living is out the roof even with two people working. For them to have a baby means one needs to stay home making it even more unaffordable.
That's an excuse your great granparents did it when they were poorer than you people today have a higher expectations for standard of living and see kids as a burden because they live longer, don't need the kids as much to survive when they get old as they did in the past. If your statement was true all the rich people would have the highest birth rates but that is not the case.
I shared a taxi with an engineer whilst on a work trip to India and we were talking about literacy rates and the caste system, and he said with a completely straight face 'Of course, eventually, we need to decide what to do with 500 million useless mouths'. History rhymes.
You’ve never heard of cheap labour?
500 million useless mouths. What a stupid statement.
Brb. Starting a Zyclone B factory.
@donald johnson All apartments in many US cities allow dogs and they poop everywhere. Too many people don't pick up after their dogs. Luxury apartments complexes look like slums
@donald johnson they don't prefer it.. But then Americans are generally naive about the world out side of USA.
@@markm2092 most of these comments are useless
It's too expensive to have kids and parents don't raise kids anymore social media does.
Was the state of the economy brought up in this conversation at all? I'm 25 and most of my friends my age are not even *close* to being in a financial situation to be able to support kids. I doubt most of us will be by the time we're 30, especially if the pandemic carries on for a few more years. Most aren't on the property ladder, in parents' small homes, many are struggling for jobs and nearly all of us have horrible amounts of student debt. I honestly think we can point to that easier as a source for why so many are choosing not to have kids.
Watch Army of Satan (series) from 'Rational Believer', you probably will realise the reason for all this & you may get more enlightened.
Should check Part - 4,5,6,8,10,11, upto 22.
If you realise and agree then i will tell you the future of us/world according to Eschatology. Otherwise, its hard to understand.
You are correct. I'm from Vancouver Canada and the price of a small house is now two million dollars. No young person can even dream of getting married and having a family there or anywhere near there. It's just not possible unless you inherited a house or are a Chinese multi-millionaire...
Good! In today's world you probably shouldn't be having kids till then anyway. Lol.
But really, you probably shouldn't... the world's a way bigger place than when our expectancy was 35. It's worth the investment in yourself to explore it a bit. You know, so you actually have something to pass on.
This guy is a clown. You keep living your life.
It’s crazy how people can’t support themselves in their own country and think twice before settling and having kids.
Yet immigrants show up without even speaking the native language work hard save money learn skills and eventually learn the language while simultaneously raising a family of 5 with a stay at home parent.
These things are happening at the same time.
The problem is you were so obsessed with comfort and told you were going to be a successful person in life if you followed the plan your parents teachers and government paved for you.
You were all played all following in a straight line one behind the other like sheep.
I can tell you that as a 3rd generation person affected by government intervention as in giving a way out to people that have kids together, that the degradation of society is definately linked to it. Weak families create weak people with problems that then go onto pass those down and even multiply the problem in one generations time. The problem is that men have became 2nd class citizens and the government has seen the advantage of keeping all families weaker and seperated.
That's why governments exist. Only to destroy everything.
In what ways does the government give a way out for parents today? It doesn't seem like a lot and if it is a lot I'd like to know. What you say does make sense but do you think the same amount of government intervention exists today? Seems about all we get is a small tax exemption along with lower income and higher living expenses. I don't think help would make my family weaker, only stronger as any help would be converted into savings and investments and give us more time to focus on the kid
So true. We've gone from a country with a hard-working and respectable working to a country that is literally heaving with chavs. It's really depressing.
@@Blake22022 They almost beg young mothers to become single! They have been vilifying fathers for decades in TV and movies.
@@annamack5823 you think "chavs" are something new??
I love Jordan Peterson so much for speaking about this.
What population collapse? The Left have been talking about this for decades and in fact a lot of them talk about eugenics and are in fact eugenicists. Remember it's the elite that believe that everyone should suffer except them off course. If we were to allow the ruling dolts to lord over us with these draconian lock down methods and silence dissent about alternative means of fighting this doomsday virus that was released a lot more would be dead. The left fought so hard to deny the science but didn't in fact let the science educate them or was it science at all but an insidious evil nature?
@@johnwayne2103 meanwhile in America the Duggar family exists...
They are both scared that there will be no one left to pay for their retirement and listen to them ramble on.
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David Attenborough - Extinction -The Facts, an explanation of why overpopulation is bad for humankind . Jordon Peterson - Religious extremist, not a single reason why less population would be bad for humankind. When people like Sir David Attenborough call for a balance between human population and the environment the religious extremists try to paint it as genocidal. I can't help to imagine two similar planets where all the religious are on one and the secular on the other.
Marriage and a family are now a luxury only the wealthy can afford. Take it from me a guy who has been married for 18 years with 3 kids. The wife and I work very hard and live paycheck to paycheck. I worry about what my kids will have to go through in 10 years time as I see no future for them. I’m conservative and do not support abortion but I fully understand that those kids saved from the knife are facing a hard road as the government and corporations will do nothing to help them. This is a sad reality that I came to realization only recently. There’s nothing guys like JP and Ben S. offer as a solution because its deeply rooted in out current capitalistic structure. What do conservatives offer really? Stay at home mom and the dad working. Guess what folks. Its impossible to live middle class in that state. Its a conservative libertarian pipe dream that only wealthy conservatives propagate.
Another reason marriage and family will fall apart is our toxic pop and consumer culture. Again this is propagated by so called capitalists who think you need porn, fast food, degenerate pop culture and social media to numb you down. JP him self has said on numerous occasions that he’s a capitalist but pretends to be a guy who puts helping people first. He tells you to man up but he himself got hooked on serious opioids. He was put in a medical comma for a few weeks just to survive. This is your life coach?!
I know we all make mistakes but he’s a doctor who fully knows well what opioids can do. Then again he’a super rich and was able to throw money at the problem and I’m glad he’s ok today. Most working class and poor do not have that luxury.
What knife? ??? abortion is made by a pill inducing miscarriage. I know no inteligent woman who wants to stay at home. It makes you a slave at your husband's mercy. I still remember my grand ma who couldn't divorce her shitty husband bc of lack of her own money. Women want to work and don't want to stay at home. All women I know - almost 50 i am - even from my mother's generation - are of one opinion, although in many other cases they disagree - being at home with children sucks on so many levels, that it is better to work and be much more tired and busy.
Globalization is collapsing. When that happens, it’ll be easier to be a one-worker household again.
@@Countcho And this is gonna be good? For whom? You know, all women I know WANT to work. It gives you your own money, independence, freedom, your own friends, status, you don't have to put up with the abuse from your husband with " i earn money therefore i am a tsar" complex, although there is still a possible version - I earn more money than you therefore i am a tsar ;) with his betrayal(s), his bad manners, or just the fact that you drifted apart and feel like strangers. Also it makes you feel safe in case of accident or death of a perfect, loving husband.
Are u telling me in a hero for impregnating my gfs cunt?
Kkk
"Too many people" is what drives deforestation and overfishing, for one, and no amount of foreign aid ever being enough to feed the poor countries, for two.
Around 1/3rd of the food produced commercially in this world is being wasted, as in, rots or goes past its shelf life without being consumed.
@@MrShroomed Not to mention that governments, the US at least, are actually paying farmers not to grow anything. And then mandating corn crops get added to gasoline instead of bellies, shortening the lifespan of automobiles.
I didn't know about Mephestopheles before this, but it perfectly describes all the dark thoughts I've been trying to hold back about humanity. But this guy perfectly breaks down it's flaws, and now I want to be more like Virgil. Someone that can mentally dive into the deepest depths of humanity, reach the bottom, and still rise back to the top intact.
Damn straight
Buddha also called life suffering and he was a prince of a kingdom then, with beautiful wife and children.
Life is crrap unless you somehow, with extreme effort make it worthwhile.
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee that's all subjective. equally meaningless and equally essential. the delusion is to ASSUME that this place, this experience, this universe, this version of "reality" is all that there is to know. and it's a shame that such an immaculate and precisely efficient system of physics and galaxies of infinite miracles occurring at the speed of light at each moment. its a wonder that we can see this and still not be inspired. not be amazed. and grateful. because we have come to fear suffering as if it dims the human experience. that's just all in your mind. if nothing good came from suffering then people wouldn't grow muscles when they lift weights. they would grow muscles when they ate donuts. throw your trash ass logic out the window and cherish something incomprehensibly complex. either way, God bless
@@jackdotblue OR EIGHTH DAY BY HAZEL O'CONNOR!!!
OR CHINA IN YOUR HAND BY T'PAU!!!
BTW I'M NOT SHOUTING... EYESIGHT PROBLEMS AS A TARGETED INDIVIDUAL YOU MIGHT EXPECT A FEW ISSUES!!! LIKE THE OVER USE OF !!!
@Jaegphh Hcunkelee it is if you attain perpetual bliss somehow.
I'm 40 and have no children and have no intentions of having them.
Same. 🍻
And it's alright.
We live in free countries and should be able to decide to have a load of children or none.
@@barbarasch6611: a load of children the parents- not the taxpayers - can afford to raise properly 7:58
@@blrbrazil1718 I don't agree. If society and economy need children, then they should help parents with the burden of raising those children, financially and structurally.
@@barbarasch6611: Well, as you probably imagined, my comment was aimed at the many women who have babies without a thought about how they are going to bring them up - and I recognise that the fathers are 'at least' equally to blame and must be held to account.
You make a reasonable point - though I could come back at you and say "Nobody should have any more babies until the world's existing ones are being properly cared for" - but when the state gets involved then one has to see what is reasonable. Remember the Brave New World extreme, where babies were produced for specific functions and raised by the state? I think most people find that sort of 'highly rational' approach somewhat repulsive, but where is the healthy balance? That's what society needs to constantly be seeking - the healthy balance :o)
I had a group of 5 guys I was friends with my senior year in HS. All 5 of us still have no kids 10 years after graduating. Also, a guy I work with told me him and his two brothers don't have any kids. They're in their late 20s too.
It’s not too late, spread that seed brothers!
@@tompotter6169 That's merely going to delay and exacerbate the problem.
In today’s world people cant afford themselves properly how can they afford kids
Dont rush. Most ppl shouldn't even have kids
@@ajay2787 its the intelligent and considerate people who think like that. Meanwhile, its the low IQ and inconsiderate who ignore that and keep having bundles of kids. 1 hanging off each limb.
I was childless until my mid 30s. As a consequence I only have 1 child. They are right.
@M 335 No! I had a husband for 5 years before we had our son. But he is younger and we waited for him to qualify in his career so we could afford for me to give up work. Then i had a seriously bad pregnancy nightmare birth. So no more babies. Had I been younger we could have given it a few years to recover and have another.
I’m sorry to hear about your poor delivery experience.. as an ex midwife, I am watching this problem spiralling out of control.. you are obviously well educated and hard working & if anything like our other youth in the same position- fed up of your taxes going to the unintelligent breeders
You did mankind's ecology a favor. We're out of balance and it is not sustainable. One need only observe the garbage being created and the irreprehensible amount of air and water pollution. It's little wonder cancer and other diseases are increasing. We've created a dangerous environment for ourselves as well as other creatures thru our sheer numbers. All creatures leave a "footprint" which is why there must be balance in the ecologies.
@M 335 Obesity is only one factor. Many obese do not get cancer. From reading I have done, another factor are all the man made pesticides that have been introduced into our environment. Food chemicals are atrocious. On my farm I spray an herbicide on my soybeans about three days before I harvest them so the weeds die and dry so they go thru the combine without clogging it. I don't like it, but thats standard agriculture today. Guess who's ingesting all the residues? Wheat growing is the same. I sell them, but I won't eat them. I buy organic food and rarely anything that's been processed.
One of the young men at the elevator sampled a bean once by chewing it as they were being unloaded from my gravity bin. I told him those were just sprayed three days ago and I told him how these herbicides should be banned. He stated, "without them we couldn't feed the world". He's right. The population is too high for sustainable and environmentally friendly agriculture. 'Tis a shame that the Amish are doing farming right but their natural methods with horses and without chemicals couldn't feed the world. The population is too high. It's not sustainable.
feminism destroys civilizations
I have lived in the same place long enough to go from seeing numerous stars at night to only a few thanks to the growing city's light pollution. I have seen patches of woods I played in and explored as a kid bulldozed down to build apartment complexes for always-pregnant Central Americans. I have seen the modest levels of traffic evolve to where regular streets ended up needing highways put on top. I have seen nice middle-America neighborhoods become ghetto hellholes. Don't tell me there isn't a problem.
Exactly, I have the same story, my Dad was an Air Force Fighter Pilot and we moved a lot, grew up in Maryland and California then came to Hawaii 30 years ago for a job and have been here since. Every one of those places I saw while living there go from a great place to grow up with woods to play in to congested hell hole. He is lying and knows it. He said predictions were for riots and starving and mass migration but NONE of that has happened? What a lying fool.
Have you thought about moving ? The world problems don't get diagnosed in a backyard.
That sounds like an economic and city problem not a overpopulation problem. People migrate and move all over so blame your government
@@aaronjohnson1005 No this is a global problem. The answer is not to "move" that just delays the inevitable. Just because you havent seen the effects hes talking about doesnt mean that it wont inevitably affect your area as well as all other locations on earth in the future. Its really down to mathematics. You cant have finite resources and space and an ever increasing population. It simply does not work. You can only slow it down by taking massive hits to your quality of life.
Yes, and I also think about the large national and state parks I visited as a child which has beautiful remote spots like waterfalls, gorgeous views etc, you could enjoy them in complete seclusion or even camp overnight and not encounter another soul. Now you cant walk those trails or visit those spots without encountering 100 different people, with every spot extremely crowded and often polluted. It really deteriorates the quality of life. It used to be so nice to escape the bleak and depressing atmosphere of towns and cities, to get some peace and quiet. Now its nearly impossible to find.
Actually my feeling is that because the world isn't coming to an end, we are actually looking at a dip in global population rather than a catastrophic population decline, simply because humans are adaptable, and we will adapt, it might be to a less populus earth, or it might be a earth with better and cheap health care that keeps the population stable.
That’s not how it will go. Less tax money, less labor, less brain power. A lot of our retirement/social programs and economic systems are reliant upon a new wave of workers and consumers. That won’t happen. So a lot of programs that rely on taxes will collapse, businesses will fail, and you’ll have a lot of poor old people homeless on the street (not enough money or labor for nursing homes).
Very bleak but that is what we are facing and why governments are very concerned about this. People don’t get that is your future and the only way out besides having kids is AI and robotics.
How many old people do you see working in nursing homes taking care of old people?
Why would health care get cheaper if there are gonna be more old ppl than young in future. Nurses will be high in demand and itll be nearly inpossible to keep up with thr system we have now
@SamandRie probably because he thinks universal Healthcare is a beneficial thing and that it does something other than ration care and drive down innovation.
@@Dcvdc56 so what are you getting at? Gas all the old people? Put them down so they don’t have to suffer? If there are more old people than young and the young aren’t having children then you can guess where we are headed. Some place far worse than rotting away in a nursing home. There won’t be anyone to take care of the elderly but the elderly.
It's even scarier to reproduce when the cost of living is rather high now. My generation probably isn't thinking of having kids much. I mean. Even providing for oneself is hard.
Having kids has showed me that kids have a way of providing for themselves. The whole “you’ll spend 1 million dollars by the time they turn 18” could not be further from the truth.
There’s never a “ good “ time to have kids , as a Dad and now a Grandfather I can say I wouldn’t have done it any other way
I agree, my girlfriend and I want kids very badly, but we just are having a really hard time providing for ourselves right now, we only get about $20 in savings at the end of the month and we have pretty decent jobs, it's hard right now.
@@TheOfficial42 Have them anyway, I promise you will figure it out. Ultimate motivator having a family to provide food and shelter for to sustain their well being. MAN UP
@@paulwhite634 Alright, well I'm taking that advice to heart! I appreciate you darn it!