fleuve cendre is available to everyone and that gives 4 more crit rate. So........yeah the crit values doesnt matter much if you have festering or not.
TCs assume unrealistic stuff all the time to use as their baseline. I've seen a lot of sheets that assume R5 lithic spear for Xiao and that's even more unrealistic than festering. Anyways, the point is that assumptions are always different for every TC.
@@natti8212 I think I remember (could be wrong) some TC finding out that Kqm standards are outdated for hypercarries, so yeah Tc in genshin will be assumin, heck its even worse for beta player and pre release chara, creates more confusion then actually finding out if unreleased chara is strong or not.
I don't think they really have a vision in mind with Siggy. The kit instead feels like they started with this basic concept, and then add things into it to address issues. They started with hydro and a nurse. And so being a nurse, well, healer, but then they needed to differentiate her from Kokomi. So they slap on some "synergy" with Neuv and Furina, by means of the droplet and off-field E buff. And then they got a note from the design lead saying they're doing this BoL thing, so she needs that in her kit as well. And so none of it really seems like it gels as a cohesive kit. If they'd started with the intent to make a character to buff off-field elemental skill users, she'd probably have a cohesive kit that does worthwhile things. She'd have an identity. But as is, I'm mostly seeing a few ideas taped together. It doesn't help either that she looks to be same archetype that has given them trouble in the past: the off-field, defensive support who plays at being a DPS during the burst. That's Kokomi, who happens to work because she's hydro, healer, and a catalyst, and Dehya, who isn't those three things, has some other issues as well, and consequently mostly sees play because she's the least bad pyro option rather than what the teams would really want fro the slot (and I'm saying that as a Dehya main). Siggy looks like she'll be in between the two. Better off than Dehya because healer, but still in a bad spot because of lackluster elemental application and she's competing against all those stellar hydros.
I’d much rather have Kokomi than Sigewinne in her current state, Kokomi is a complete unit at c0, has access to great weapons, is way more flexible, has 100% uptime on her hydro app and healing and is already able to max Furina’s fanfare with just her skill + r5 prototype amber.
Kokomi is a good battle healing dps but you do want Protototype Amber to get full Fanfare healing which Sigewinne can already do, but it comes down to Kokomi having the utility that comes with a catalyst and a 100% uptime skill with the right burst timing. We don't have very many supportive options for bows. It's just been Elegy for the End. Sigewinne will either need a strengthened imprisonment gimmick or much stronger scaling on Covalence stacks. With the amount of base dmg bonus it gives, it should absolutely have like 20+ stacks especially considering that skills deal dmg nearly as frequently as normal attacks so having YunJin amount of quota is where Sigewinne can have an edge. She doesn't really have the sort of comfort edge that Baizhu has over Yaoyao. She could use some group Bond of Life application via the sourcewater droplets, so giving the rest of the team BoL based on % of her max HP.
@@Bing..chiling idk the build man, i only played her through my friend's account I think it was a standard kokomi hp/healing bonus build and then a furina/yelan/kazuha for the teammates
personally i love the look of bloom, lighting feels more magical and it looks like im in a fantasy world. and glowing things look like thwy actually glow
I want Sigewinne to be good simply because off-field DPS skill buffer is a role we don't have yet. Since Golden Troupe is a thing, it'd be nice to have a decent buffer to go with it. Not just for Furina, but Fischl, Chiori, Nahida, Yae... Maybe open the road for a viable "summon" comp down the line? Just something new to play around with.
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret Golden troupe takes place after. It's like Xianyun/Shenhe buff but waaaaaay lower. All dmg%(including golden troupe) and crit buffs are applied to Siegewinne dmg, but its too low to matter.
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret It will, yes. Siggy's buff is like what Shenhe, Yun Jin, Layla, the post-Quicken reactions, and the new healer artifact set offer. So it'll get added prior to DMG and CrD.
I started playing in 1.0, but didn’t get the Festering Desire, because I had Christmas with my grandparents. If I could choose between FD and spending Christmas with my grandparents, I would still choose Christmas. Get over that weapon, guys
should have just made her someone who gives BOL and shit. so at least then she could be coped for a different playstyles for other carries, who can then use the artifact set. But nope...she is now just useless and redundant of the highest order.
As underwhelming as she is, her role is crystal clear to me. A hydro *OFF-FIELD* team wide healer, so a Furina DLC. + another character who is massively buffed by having C1+R1 She doesn't seem like a character with a wide appeal like Arle, so they probably want her fans to invest more to compensate.
@@yohamida3624not sure on the popularity, I heard she was originally going to be a 4* but after the archon quest she was so popular they decided to make her a 5* instead. Which might explain why her kit doesn't stand up to other 5* healers in game already.
In case you haven't noticed with Kuki and Baizhu, late patch healers are built for the next nation's gimmicks. So be ready for her to be good in Natlan for whatever reason.
At least baizhu was good on release as a decent enough alternative to Nahida for alhaitham, a solid burgeon/hyperbloom driver, a nilou teammate, and best in slot for cyno. Sigewinne is just bad
Thing is Sigewinne does get fixed and is worth something… at C1 R1. C1 literally x2.25 the buff from C0, and she needs the 100 hp% from R1 to max her buff. When her 18,000 additive dmg at 0+0 turns into 63,000 at 1+1 she actually does buff a lot. On top of that, funneling 4 particles into Furina lets you reduce ER on her, which is most significant if you have her R1 or Key. For better or worse, the times where characters are complete at 0+0 are over. If you only analyse characters at 0+0 and leave constellations + weapon as an afterthought, you’re not going to get the full picture anymore. Mihoyo is really starting to pump out dolphin and whale food
wouldnt say its over given arle sure is complete at c0 with white tassel so we gotta wait n see,clorinde also looks pretty solid at c0 so only time will tell. i for sure know,anyone that isnt a huge fan of sigewinne(or has kokomi) will not pull for her. i wager her banner is gonna do even more poorly than lyneys current rerun in terms of how many times he was pulled if things stay as is.
That doesn't make a character that has a semifunctional niche at C1 any less badlooking compared to her counterparts. Like it's not as if the good meta characters in the game rn are completely dogshit at C0 without their 5 star weapons--people appreciate Neuvi Arle Haitham etc bc theyre functional at C0 and broken at C1-C2. The bar for supports is even higher, considering characters like Nahida Furina Kazuha change the game at C0 and completely break it at C1-C2 The common pattern here is that 5 star units arent just deemed valuable based on how good their C0 is, but a unit needs to be actually worthwhile in their niche for people (who care about gameplay and meta) to even begin caring about pulling for other constellations. I think people would be more charitable to Sigewinne if she wasnt so mediocre at her current unique niche (skill buffer). I'm hoping they do actually end up focusing on her buffing capabilities in the last beta rather than trying and failing to make her Kokomi 2.0 (her E has little to no multitarget, hits slow as balls and has slow app anyway), esp considering the fact her current niche isnt even that big of a powercreep threat. I think having a furina wet rock team with chiori and albedo would be funny as fuck if sigewinne actually enabled it--but i digress edit: adding that i also think if sige isnt standard shes probably going to hint at natlans mechanics somewhat. more skill based focus characters yada yada--it would actually be nice and i look forward to it if so bc i fucking hate building er
Characters bad a C0 won’t get pulled. Its their loss. It’s actually better to calc at C0 because most people will only wish for C0 their first banner. Maybe after banners keep selling low they’ll fix this garbage predatory system.
The issue with that C1R1 thing is Furina herself. C2 Furina is strong, big improvement, so your account is better off pulling for that over Siggy for a C0 Furina. And if you have C2 Furina already, well, then it gets even worse for Siggy. Because that's 3+ cons for Furina, meaning you're basically all the way to C6 Furina. Which means your Furina now is her own healer, and you could add whoever you want in that slot Siggy would have gone in.
I'd like she gets a bit of her 2 first cons in her base kit. And they can make those awful constellations that simply buff talents. For instance she gets hydro res decrease and shield at C0. But it gets far better at C2. That + quills for everyone it'd be good enough in my book
when he said that c6 sigewinne is stronger than c0 neuvillette i cried 😭😭 like c6 dehya is comparable to c0 hu tao, DEHYA, and neuvillette with hu tao have kinda similar damage in their teams
I think using Sige with another hydro other than Furina and/or even while ignoring her E buff is an option for some kinds of teams. Like mono hydro without Kokomi but with Kazuha. Maybe Yoimiya XQ Sige Kazuha/Nahida could be okay.
mannnn I was really planning on using my saved primos on sigewinne :0 I'm not a very meta player and just wanted silly water bubble girl honestly. (my best healer is yaoyao and I'm a navia main so clearly idc about teams or abyss) debating whether I should pull or continue saving lol but I'll probably wait to see post-release reviews from other people in case everyone is somehow wrong (special edition melusine copium)
The only Sigewinne team I can think of where she doesn't feel outright worse than everyone else in her slot is in a freeze ganyu team. There are actual real reasons to pick her over the other options. The team: Ganyu Furina Sigewinne Kazuha. Sigewinne plays to all her [very limited] strengths in this team. She provides off field hydro and teamwide healing, without requiring normal attacks, and without being locked to circle impact. [and slightly buffing furina i guess] Ganyu does not want to normal, so she doesn't drive yelan/XQ. Ganyu prefers not being too close to enemies, but that's where you'd have a kokomi jellyfish to apply hydro. and ganyu freeze's strength comes in AoE freezable floors, which technically increases sige's hydro application due to ICD count down being enemy based. Is this team anywhere near the damage meta teams can dish out nowadays? not really, but is it the comfiest freeze ganyu team? I honestly think so. So if someone wants to brush the dust off their Ganyu and give her a new toy to work with, or just really like ganyu but hate melt with passion, sigewinne can at least do that much.
@@sudiptaday7875 i mean they literally added tighnaris original c6 to his base kit (& buffed the actual c6 effect) in beta and he still went into standard tho?
FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT WHY BLOOM SUCKS Like, its pretty outside, but a lot of the times inside it just makes characters glow or look pink which looks absolutely horrible
that team wouldn't work in the first place. it's not about swapping sigewinne for kokomi. nahida solo dendro is Suske cuz u have to onfield her and she is extremely flimsy compared to the rest of the entire team, even more so with furina draining her hp and modern abysses being so easy to accidentally get one shot in. and i wouldn't run furina with nilou in the first place because the only person with meaningful talent damage furina is buffing is herself - nahida's damage doesn't count because she cannot trigger spread in a nilou team that cannot use an electro teammate
the only team that sigewinne is better maybe the furina morgana team.. while sure you can use kokomi there, sigewinne can get you stacks much faster and (maybe) gets more ganyu's CA
A lot about her kit makes it seem that she is meant to be that definitive choice for the fourth slot in a Neuvillette hypercarry team. Healer? Furina. Source Water Droplets? Thats literally Neuvi's gig
Ok so here's a bunch of sigewinne teams: Ayato/childe/mona(and a bunch of other on field hydro options) furina sigewinne kazuha. In these team you can gain dps from sigewinnes burst and kazuhas grouping over someone like jean or xianyun helps the teams aoe. Double anemo setups such as wanderer faruzan furina sigewinme. Sure you could use bennet but to most people bennet in furina teams just feels awful to use. Double geo teams (navia teams, ninguang teams, itto teams). In these teams sigewinne is the only healer other than bennet who provides a somewhat significant increase to the teams dps mainly through her buffs to furina. And regarding using kokomi in navia teams, yeah no it just does not feel good to use. It feels much much better to on field navia throughout the rotation
.........you know that.....neither ayato, nor childe does their damage through SKILL right? Like yeah...it does come from skill, but they both count as normal attack damage. You are holy coping, and its fine........but...you need to be in touch with reality.
Okay, let's go over why these teams are bad. First team gains nothing from Sigewinne because her damage is bad, and you can always just use a different healer and still retain Kazuha. If you really want to play Mono-Hydro, on-field Kokomi is the best pick, and that team doesn't use Sigewinne. Second comp is cope because Sigewinne is unironically worse than Mika, who can also team heal whilst giving an ATK SPD buff for Wanderer (who has no hitlag) and can give him a Cryo swirl for 20% CR. Gorou wants triple Geo so slotting in Furina Sigewinne doesn't work, Navia has downtime so you can just on-field Kokomi, and Ningguang is Ningguang. So yeah. Cope.
@@robinj4286 yeah but 20k normal attacks in large aoe are better than 4k littlie fishies, small dmg boost to furina from hydro resonance and 20% atk for furina
@@RADZIO895 mine without buff hits around 10k fishes with buffs it goes to 20k or something without considering the AOE jelly damage which approximate around 9k. How can you srew up the easiest character to build. 4k you are joking right. Also Noel can't hold ttds nor tenacity or clam properly. That's why Zejaf said Kokomi. Also it's 40% Atk not 20. Navia wants more atk and Kokomi only needs little field time to Full health every one that if you want to and swap back to Navia. Navia is the main focus here not others.
@@robinj4286 my kokomi is on healing build, either triple hp or HP HP healing bonus, idk how you built your kokomi to do 20k buffed NA but honestly I doubt these numbers. I said 20% atk because it's 20% atk per different element teammate, you still have furina in the team. Edit. Yeah checked some DPS KOKOMI build and only this way she was doing unbuffed 10k per NA. She was using her signature, had 90% hydro dmg% and 2p2p artifact set for the highest stats, shut your lying ass lmao
@@ShevaAlpha2002 yes, he is the only one, the rest heal entire party with burst, exactly my point, shes a hydro baizhu when it comes to healing, bo one is talking about baizhu buffing or damage, just his healing, because thats what he does
Sig has to be standard. She's just too bad compared to other 4.X. Even underwhelming units as Wrio or Clorinde are still better, and the expectations for DPS are lower.
The community hasn't yet figured out that Sigewinne is tailor made for Furina, and together they're a force. Sigewinne's Ultimate is a tongue in cheek reference to Neuvillette, who we all thought was Furinas best teammate. But Neuvillette can't heal, nor buff Furina. All Hoyo has to do is have Sigewinne turn Furina into god-mode and suddenly the community will get her.
Do you think Seigwinne would be a better partner for Furina than say Baizhu though? Haveing a bloom core is pretty powerful. I can see the appeal of having hydro resonance, especially for Furina. But at the end of the day, Furina is a support before anything else. For most people, i'm not sure pulling a support, for another support is the right call to optimize her damage potential...
@@Blackoutdmctf does Baizhu do other than heal, plus the bloom dmg depends on the EM of whoever trigger it, in this case Baizhu bcs Furina’s Hydro app, even though lackluster, is still better than Baizhu’s dendro app, and are u building EM on Baizhu whose heal scales with Hp and u also need sh*t load of ER on him bcs his particle gen is sh*t and has massive delay + his burst is costly? Are those 2000dmg bloom dmg going to be better than hydro resonance + off field dmg buff from Sigewinne? Baizhu is extremely overrated in most cases, his usage rate is literally being carried by Neuvillette hypercarry even though Zhongli is a way better 4th slot option for this team archetype assuming your Baizhu is C0 only, Zhongli provides res shred and 4pc petra buff, there’s no need for healer in this team archetype also as Neuvillette alone can full stack fanfare stacks in the matter of 3seconds or so
What team would you run her with furina? Because in Neuvillete teams furina runs on very low er and gets buffed with kazuha and healer or fourth buffer like zhongli,Lisa or even xiangling.
I have Neuvillette and Arle, having to build another main DPS and splitting my supports between them doesn't seem as worth as building another support who can be used in multiple team comps.
nah babes dont come at us 😭😭 she's been the least anticipated fontaine unit and the people who liked her would get her independent of her being good or not. the people you've seen were using her as excuses to hate on said units, like people who use xingqiu to hate on yelan, not the half dozen sigewinne enjoyers out there
My understanding is that Arlechino is overpowered and I don't know anything about Clorinde in gameplay. All I know is that I knew I would pull for Sigewinne pretty much as soon as I'd finished Fortress of Meropide. I have an idea of how she could potentially fit on my team, but I'm still pulling for her even if she doesn't actually fit.
Considering how disappointing the latest story and events were, I'm starting to think that HoYo's main source of income might be from people who spend a lot of time on their social media, but don't actually play the game that much.
@@pasumiya4087Dude don't do Wrio and Chiori dirty like that, they are actually good, not busted tier like Arle and Neuv, but they can be played in lots of teams and do well, Sigewine tho seems like a lost cause, its Sigeover.
"Sigewinne at c6 is better than c0 Neuvi" hoooly copium, obviously the c6 character has an edge over the c0 character, doesn't mean she's not trash that needs c6 to be remotely competent as a dps
Im confused by your reply "Obviously the c6 character has an edge over the c0 character" so you agree with the statement...? What's the problem here? No one said that she isn't trash
@@EdenVix yes i am agreeing with zajef but at the same time i'm confused with hyv over why they would design such a dogshit unit, my problem is that i think the fact that it takes until c6 for sigewinne to be worth playing as a dps over other units like c0 neuvi makes her even WORSE
We didn't Sigewinne we Sigelost.
IT'S SIGEOVER!
not the Cyno jokes
Will sigeover ever top kokover from back in the day
Siglostte
sigeweiner is sadge
🎵 🎶 She sigebounce on my sigecock til I sigecum 🎵🎵
Hoyoverse decided we have too many good hydro units so they balanced it out with another unit of all time
Traveler and Candace weren’t enough?
@DefinitelyNotAFerret apparently not for hoyo. Doesn't surprise me at this point.
omg 707
@@DefinitelyNotAFerretcandace has a team now, its cope and not worth raising her for but she can do stuff now ig
@@faicalaba6934Exactly, like enough with these Candace Slander. She's not that good BUT not that bad eitherrr.
Zajef loves assuming everyone has Festering desire, it's far from the truth.
fleuve cendre is available to everyone and that gives 4 more crit rate. So........yeah the crit values doesnt matter much if you have festering or not.
TCs assume unrealistic stuff all the time to use as their baseline. I've seen a lot of sheets that assume R5 lithic spear for Xiao and that's even more unrealistic than festering.
Anyways, the point is that assumptions are always different for every TC.
i think he forgets how many people aren’t day 1 players
Thank God for Primordial Jade Cutter because I refuse to fish again.
@@natti8212 I think I remember (could be wrong) some TC finding out that Kqm standards are outdated for hypercarries, so yeah Tc in genshin will be assumin, heck its even worse for beta player and pre release chara, creates more confusion then actually finding out if unreleased chara is strong or not.
Man, sigewinne could have been a new upgrade for normal diluc gameplay, but they decided to make her fontaine dehya
this means natlan will also have a dehya o7
nah cuz dehya actually has good elemental application 💀
@@sigewinnieee actually now her application is good cuz she hits hydro everywhere’s 😒
@@otaku5592 ehhhh idk if id say everywhere
anyway dehyas application is still better
I don't think they really have a vision in mind with Siggy. The kit instead feels like they started with this basic concept, and then add things into it to address issues. They started with hydro and a nurse. And so being a nurse, well, healer, but then they needed to differentiate her from Kokomi. So they slap on some "synergy" with Neuv and Furina, by means of the droplet and off-field E buff. And then they got a note from the design lead saying they're doing this BoL thing, so she needs that in her kit as well. And so none of it really seems like it gels as a cohesive kit.
If they'd started with the intent to make a character to buff off-field elemental skill users, she'd probably have a cohesive kit that does worthwhile things. She'd have an identity. But as is, I'm mostly seeing a few ideas taped together.
It doesn't help either that she looks to be same archetype that has given them trouble in the past: the off-field, defensive support who plays at being a DPS during the burst. That's Kokomi, who happens to work because she's hydro, healer, and a catalyst, and Dehya, who isn't those three things, has some other issues as well, and consequently mostly sees play because she's the least bad pyro option rather than what the teams would really want fro the slot (and I'm saying that as a Dehya main). Siggy looks like she'll be in between the two. Better off than Dehya because healer, but still in a bad spot because of lackluster elemental application and she's competing against all those stellar hydros.
Could have made her a harmacist, but noooo
genshin graphics bloomed all over zajef's eyes fr
OMG I’M BLOOMING
bloom activation
I’d much rather have Kokomi than Sigewinne in her current state, Kokomi is a complete unit at c0, has access to great weapons, is way more flexible, has 100% uptime on her hydro app and healing and is already able to max Furina’s fanfare with just her skill + r5 prototype amber.
Kokomi is also a really strong onfield dps with furina mono hydro
i'll force sigewinne to play with my kokomi team
Kokomi is a good battle healing dps but you do want Protototype Amber to get full Fanfare healing which Sigewinne can already do, but it comes down to Kokomi having the utility that comes with a catalyst and a 100% uptime skill with the right burst timing. We don't have very many supportive options for bows. It's just been Elegy for the End. Sigewinne will either need a strengthened imprisonment gimmick or much stronger scaling on Covalence stacks. With the amount of base dmg bonus it gives, it should absolutely have like 20+ stacks especially considering that skills deal dmg nearly as frequently as normal attacks so having YunJin amount of quota is where Sigewinne can have an edge. She doesn't really have the sort of comfort edge that Baizhu has over Yaoyao. She could use some group Bond of Life application via the sourcewater droplets, so giving the rest of the team BoL based on % of her max HP.
@@thechocowizard can you teach me how? Im so Very confused about how to play and building her, Effectively 😢😢
@@Bing..chiling idk the build man, i only played her through my friend's account
I think it was a standard kokomi hp/healing bonus build and then a furina/yelan/kazuha for the teammates
As someone who started in the last week of patch 1.2 Festering desire has been my biggest sore spot in the game. I want that damn sword so bad.
idk buy an old account to feel better
Likewise, I can't stop blaming myself for not getting at it😭
Is it really that good? I have it and never use it.
@@user-sd9gc1gb2k Its Furina's f2p BiS
@@user-sd9gc1gb2k it's the best option for a few characters if you don't have their sig or a statstick 5*
personally i love the look of bloom, lighting feels more magical and it looks like im in a fantasy world. and glowing things look like thwy actually glow
i mean genshin is literally a fantasy world lol
10:30 certified gamer moment HOLY 😭
I want Sigewinne to be good simply because off-field DPS skill buffer is a role we don't have yet. Since Golden Troupe is a thing, it'd be nice to have a decent buffer to go with it. Not just for Furina, but Fischl, Chiori, Nahida, Yae... Maybe open the road for a viable "summon" comp down the line? Just something new to play around with.
It makes me wonder if golden troupe’s effects takes place after sigewinne’s buff goes into effect
You mean like sukokomon? That’s already a thing
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret Golden troupe takes place after. It's like Xianyun/Shenhe buff but waaaaaay lower. All dmg%(including golden troupe) and crit buffs are applied to Siegewinne dmg, but its too low to matter.
@@HearMeLearn Yeah, but barely talked about.
@@DefinitelyNotAFerret It will, yes. Siggy's buff is like what Shenhe, Yun Jin, Layla, the post-Quicken reactions, and the new healer artifact set offer. So it'll get added prior to DMG and CrD.
I started playing in 1.0, but didn’t get the Festering Desire, because I had Christmas with my grandparents.
If I could choose between FD and spending Christmas with my grandparents, I would still choose Christmas. Get over that weapon, guys
I knew it. After see her gameplay i just like "what she suppose to do?"
I mean i already good with kokomi and barbara but 3rd Hydro Healer?
After seeing her gameplay for the first time I already got the feeling that things where likely to be rough
should have just made her someone who gives BOL and shit. so at least then she could be coped for a different playstyles for other carries, who can then use the artifact set. But nope...she is now just useless and redundant of the highest order.
@@lostblueboy idk just coping, Murata? Or even Xbalanque?
But iam sure they have new mechanic in Natlan
As underwhelming as she is, her role is crystal clear to me.
A hydro *OFF-FIELD* team wide healer, so a Furina DLC.
+ another character who is massively buffed by having C1+R1
She doesn't seem like a character with a wide appeal like Arle, so they probably want her fans to invest more to compensate.
@@yohamida3624not sure on the popularity, I heard she was originally going to be a 4* but after the archon quest she was so popular they decided to make her a 5* instead. Which might explain why her kit doesn't stand up to other 5* healers in game already.
I hecking love festering desire
In case you haven't noticed with Kuki and Baizhu, late patch healers are built for the next nation's gimmicks. So be ready for her to be good in Natlan for whatever reason.
Calling Kokomi a late patch healer when she was released in 2.1 is certainly a way to word it lmaoooo
@@pitagor2 I assume they meant Kuki. Would be really funny if they actually meant to say Kokomi though.
@@pitagor2 Not to mention using two specific instances to confidently declare a pattern
At least baizhu was good on release as a decent enough alternative to Nahida for alhaitham, a solid burgeon/hyperbloom driver, a nilou teammate, and best in slot for cyno. Sigewinne is just bad
@@phongdo6161 Yeah they just edited their comment, it was meant to be Kuki in the first place it seems
the ending tho
is there anything like this abt clorinde?(dont mention the last uploaded video)
Sigewinne Furina Nahida Raiden/Fischl... all deal elemental skill damage, and Sigewinne and Nahida can swap on-fielding to generate blooms and healing
awwwwwwwwwwww we didn't get to see his score at the end!!!
petition to change outro to zajef singing let the living beware
Thing is Sigewinne does get fixed and is worth something… at C1 R1. C1 literally x2.25 the buff from C0, and she needs the 100 hp% from R1 to max her buff. When her 18,000 additive dmg at 0+0 turns into 63,000 at 1+1 she actually does buff a lot. On top of that, funneling 4 particles into Furina lets you reduce ER on her, which is most significant if you have her R1 or Key.
For better or worse, the times where characters are complete at 0+0 are over. If you only analyse characters at 0+0 and leave constellations + weapon as an afterthought, you’re not going to get the full picture anymore. Mihoyo is really starting to pump out dolphin and whale food
wouldnt say its over given arle sure is complete at c0 with white tassel so we gotta wait n see,clorinde also looks pretty solid at c0 so only time will tell.
i for sure know,anyone that isnt a huge fan of sigewinne(or has kokomi) will not pull for her.
i wager her banner is gonna do even more poorly than lyneys current rerun in terms of how many times he was pulled if things stay as is.
That doesn't make a character that has a semifunctional niche at C1 any less badlooking compared to her counterparts. Like it's not as if the good meta characters in the game rn are completely dogshit at C0 without their 5 star weapons--people appreciate Neuvi Arle Haitham etc bc theyre functional at C0 and broken at C1-C2. The bar for supports is even higher, considering characters like Nahida Furina Kazuha change the game at C0 and completely break it at C1-C2
The common pattern here is that 5 star units arent just deemed valuable based on how good their C0 is, but a unit needs to be actually worthwhile in their niche for people (who care about gameplay and meta) to even begin caring about pulling for other constellations. I think people would be more charitable to Sigewinne if she wasnt so mediocre at her current unique niche (skill buffer). I'm hoping they do actually end up focusing on her buffing capabilities in the last beta rather than trying and failing to make her Kokomi 2.0 (her E has little to no multitarget, hits slow as balls and has slow app anyway), esp considering the fact her current niche isnt even that big of a powercreep threat. I think having a furina wet rock team with chiori and albedo would be funny as fuck if sigewinne actually enabled it--but i digress
edit: adding that i also think if sige isnt standard shes probably going to hint at natlans mechanics somewhat. more skill based focus characters yada yada--it would actually be nice and i look forward to it if so bc i fucking hate building er
Characters bad a C0 won’t get pulled. Its their loss. It’s actually better to calc at C0 because most people will only wish for C0 their first banner. Maybe after banners keep selling low they’ll fix this garbage predatory system.
The issue with that C1R1 thing is Furina herself. C2 Furina is strong, big improvement, so your account is better off pulling for that over Siggy for a C0 Furina. And if you have C2 Furina already, well, then it gets even worse for Siggy. Because that's 3+ cons for Furina, meaning you're basically all the way to C6 Furina. Which means your Furina now is her own healer, and you could add whoever you want in that slot Siggy would have gone in.
But what about neuvilette then he is good c0?
I'd like she gets a bit of her 2 first cons in her base kit. And they can make those awful constellations that simply buff talents.
For instance she gets hydro res decrease and shield at C0. But it gets far better at C2.
That + quills for everyone it'd be good enough in my book
He loves Hu Tao after all. I knew it.
when he said that c6 sigewinne is stronger than c0 neuvillette i cried 😭😭
like c6 dehya is comparable to c0 hu tao, DEHYA, and neuvillette with hu tao have kinda similar damage in their teams
She looks like a standard character
i mean, dehya doesn't look like a standard character, but what ended up happening
What is the *190/390*1.15 at the end there?
that is the defense multiplier and res multiplier.
@@wonderland2264 i see thank you!
I was hoping for a premium healer for furina. I still think she is just a decent unit for furina teames. Not clearly above everyone else.
DO ET!
I think using Sige with another hydro other than Furina and/or even while ignoring her E buff is an option for some kinds of teams. Like mono hydro without Kokomi but with Kazuha. Maybe Yoimiya XQ Sige Kazuha/Nahida could be okay.
My problem is I use furina with neuv and no one is using triple hydro even with his c1
Wtf is Festering desire 😭😭😭
I knew I shouldn't have hesitated to join when I saw Ganyu for the first time, that was exactly version 1.2
She shoulda been a 4* all along, I really thought she was gonna be a 4* before the confirmation.
mannnn I was really planning on using my saved primos on sigewinne :0 I'm not a very meta player and just wanted silly water bubble girl honestly. (my best healer is yaoyao and I'm a navia main so clearly idc about teams or abyss) debating whether I should pull or continue saving lol but I'll probably wait to see post-release reviews from other people in case everyone is somehow wrong (special edition melusine copium)
The only Sigewinne team I can think of where she doesn't feel outright worse than everyone else in her slot is in a freeze ganyu team.
There are actual real reasons to pick her over the other options.
The team: Ganyu Furina Sigewinne Kazuha.
Sigewinne plays to all her [very limited] strengths in this team. She provides off field hydro and teamwide healing, without requiring normal attacks, and without being locked to circle impact. [and slightly buffing furina i guess]
Ganyu does not want to normal, so she doesn't drive yelan/XQ. Ganyu prefers not being too close to enemies, but that's where you'd have a kokomi jellyfish to apply hydro. and ganyu freeze's strength comes in AoE freezable floors, which technically increases sige's hydro application due to ICD count down being enemy based.
Is this team anywhere near the damage meta teams can dish out nowadays? not really, but is it the comfiest freeze ganyu team? I honestly think so.
So if someone wants to brush the dust off their Ganyu and give her a new toy to work with, or just really like ganyu but hate melt with passion, sigewinne can at least do that much.
might be good for nilou bloom with furnina
She's definitely gonna be standard, tighnari also has good cons AND he's like a thousand times better than sigewinne
They wouldn't buff her if she was standard
@@sudiptaday7875they added a hp "scaling" to dehya in beta before making her standard
@@sudiptaday7875 i mean they literally added tighnaris original c6 to his base kit (& buffed the actual c6 effect) in beta and he still went into standard tho?
I don't keep up with leaks anymore but if she was standard it would have been leaked already because the other 2 were
@@pyronado4320 dehya and tighnari were leaked to be standard like a week before livestream
They made her for casuals? For what would a casual need her?
Full team heal on her skill. Doesn't get any more braindead than that to play the character.
@@lihavalokki5705so Baizhu 2
@@lihavalokki5705 Baizhu says hi
@@3.16music 2 teams in abyss says hi.
@@lihavalokki5705 any other healer says hi
sadge its sigeover :(
so it will be a standart banner char
inb4 Zajef C6 Sigewinne.
fellow Bloom hater 🤝
Is sigewinne any good for a nilou team or is it going to be cope?
What if you DON'T have Kokomi? Or any other unit? This was not mentioned
You can use Barbara
@@stanyskGood luck on avoiding Cryo attacks from Cryo enemies!
Guys what's motion value I'm not a tc
multipliers
The value of motion prolly
@DefinitelyNotAFerret OfCourse why didn't i think of that
the numbers you see in the talents menu
Maybe heizhou furina faruzan team for sagewinne
i only ask for better hydro application...
What about forward vape furina? That could be fun I think
FINALLY SOMEBODY GETS IT WHY BLOOM SUCKS
Like, its pretty outside, but a lot of the times inside it just makes characters glow or look pink which looks absolutely horrible
How to fix 5 star characters by hoyo
Buy the constellations
Whay about Nilou, Nahida, Furina, Sigewinne ?
And why wouldn’t you just use Kokomi here?
Just play Barbara. Sigewinne has no inherent synergy with bloom, apart from buffing Furina's damage by 10%.
that team wouldn't work in the first place. it's not about swapping sigewinne for kokomi. nahida solo dendro is Suske cuz u have to onfield her and she is extremely flimsy compared to the rest of the entire team, even more so with furina draining her hp and modern abysses being so easy to accidentally get one shot in. and i wouldn't run furina with nilou in the first place because the only person with meaningful talent damage furina is buffing is herself - nahida's damage doesn't count because she cannot trigger spread in a nilou team that cannot use an electro teammate
She's not going to be standard. They wouldn't want to cause drama in the community, not when a competitor game is going to go popular after release.
Why is sigewinne bad ?
sigewinne makes me so sad :( why do they hate her
we sigelosst 😔
Sygewine it good at something: she is the only character that can genuinely make you think that Barbara is a better option.
An account that doesn't have kokomi or baijou?
feels like she's gonna be standard banner
c6 sigewinne is funny but its like a c0 character.
imagine not having festering desire
I would be very disappointed if she's not standard character 😶
No.. it wouldn’t be funny 😆
bad now but good during Natlan ? 😁 man, feel like i'm on copium again.
first lol
zajoof, your screen is blurry sometimes
It the owner of this channel censoring leaks so this doesn't get copyright strike.
Baizhu is just better
ppl who like bloom are blind and dont know
the only team that sigewinne is better maybe the furina morgana team.. while sure you can use kokomi there, sigewinne can get you stacks much faster and (maybe) gets more ganyu's CA
she good in nilou bloom?
No
1 part: Talking about math, stats, fixes and possible buffs and teams
2 part: plays the only content genshin offers ... minigames.
See the problem?
But that's just clips? Zajef recently did a bunch of quests, always does different runs and etc.
A lot about her kit makes it seem that she is meant to be that definitive choice for the fourth slot in a Neuvillette hypercarry team. Healer? Furina. Source Water Droplets? Thats literally Neuvi's gig
She won’t go on the standard banner. Did you guys even see her animations
Have you seen dehya?
@@yaemiko0614dehya's animations are mid af.. sige is definitely much better
@@pasumiya4087 wrong
Ok so here's a bunch of sigewinne teams:
Ayato/childe/mona(and a bunch of other on field hydro options) furina sigewinne kazuha. In these team you can gain dps from sigewinnes burst and kazuhas grouping over someone like jean or xianyun helps the teams aoe.
Double anemo setups such as wanderer faruzan furina sigewinme. Sure you could use bennet but to most people bennet in furina teams just feels awful to use.
Double geo teams (navia teams, ninguang teams, itto teams). In these teams sigewinne is the only healer other than bennet who provides a somewhat significant increase to the teams dps mainly through her buffs to furina. And regarding using kokomi in navia teams, yeah no it just does not feel good to use. It feels much much better to on field navia throughout the rotation
holy delusion.
.........you know that.....neither ayato, nor childe does their damage through SKILL right? Like yeah...it does come from skill, but they both count as normal attack damage. You are holy coping, and its fine........but...you need to be in touch with reality.
holy cope essay
bros onto nothing
Okay, let's go over why these teams are bad.
First team gains nothing from Sigewinne because her damage is bad, and you can always just use a different healer and still retain Kazuha. If you really want to play Mono-Hydro, on-field Kokomi is the best pick, and that team doesn't use Sigewinne.
Second comp is cope because Sigewinne is unironically worse than Mika, who can also team heal whilst giving an ATK SPD buff for Wanderer (who has no hitlag) and can give him a Cryo swirl for 20% CR.
Gorou wants triple Geo so slotting in Furina Sigewinne doesn't work, Navia has downtime so you can just on-field Kokomi, and Ningguang is Ningguang.
So yeah. Cope.
"You'd rather use baizhu"
Man... This is gonna be "You'd rather use Sigewine" when we reach Natlan LOL
its such a formulatic pattern atp
except that baizhu does more than just heal 😭
9:41 why on-field kokomi? Just use noelle
You know he is talking about Navia teams right. It's already has Chiori don't need a third Geo, or Navia's passive won't work.
@@robinj4286 yeah but 20k normal attacks in large aoe are better than 4k littlie fishies, small dmg boost to furina from hydro resonance and 20% atk for furina
@@RADZIO895 mine without buff hits around 10k fishes with buffs it goes to 20k or something without considering the AOE jelly damage which approximate around 9k. How can you srew up the easiest character to build. 4k you are joking right. Also Noel can't hold ttds nor tenacity or clam properly. That's why Zejaf said Kokomi. Also it's 40% Atk not 20. Navia wants more atk and Kokomi only needs little field time to Full health every one that if you want to and swap back to Navia. Navia is the main focus here not others.
@@robinj4286 my kokomi is on healing build, either triple hp or HP HP healing bonus, idk how you built your kokomi to do 20k buffed NA but honestly I doubt these numbers. I said 20% atk because it's 20% atk per different element teammate, you still have furina in the team.
Edit. Yeah checked some DPS KOKOMI build and only this way she was doing unbuffed 10k per NA. She was using her signature, had 90% hydro dmg% and 2p2p artifact set for the highest stats, shut your lying ass lmao
Why is everyone So focused on her buffing or damage, her main role is HEALING, lets calculate her healing and compare her to other 5 star healers…
Because even 4 star units heal for an insane amount, I don't think we're lacking healers
@@zeppzz we lack healers that heal the entire party with skill..
@@grr3467Baizhu is the only character that can heal the whole party with just elemental skill so far.
@@ShevaAlpha2002 yes, he is the only one, the rest heal entire party with burst, exactly my point, shes a hydro baizhu when it comes to healing, bo one is talking about baizhu buffing or damage, just his healing, because thats what he does
be a party healer, works well with furina and not be related to a circle impact to heal make her a better unit then kokomi
24 seconds no views? Fell of
*2 minutes 46 views.* He actually is.
🍆💦
6 minutes 240 views.... No way this happens
9 minutes 481 views, it's joever...
L + ratio + copium + no buffs
Sig has to be standard. She's just too bad compared to other 4.X.
Even underwhelming units as Wrio or Clorinde are still better, and the expectations for DPS are lower.
Dafuq is going on in this video? Lol difficult to follow along bc of so many long pauses andblurred out pictures
The community hasn't yet figured out that Sigewinne is tailor made for Furina, and together they're a force. Sigewinne's Ultimate is a tongue in cheek reference to Neuvillette, who we all thought was Furinas best teammate.
But Neuvillette can't heal, nor buff Furina.
All Hoyo has to do is have Sigewinne turn Furina into god-mode and suddenly the community will get her.
Furina will long outlive Neuvillette, and now Hoyo is subtly sending that message.
Do you think Seigwinne would be a better partner for Furina than say Baizhu though? Haveing a bloom core is pretty powerful. I can see the appeal of having hydro resonance, especially for Furina. But at the end of the day, Furina is a support before anything else. For most people, i'm not sure pulling a support, for another support is the right call to optimize her damage potential...
Zajef literally in this video claculated that all she provides for Furina is 11% dmg buff. That is not "god-mode"
@@Blackoutdmctf does Baizhu do other than heal, plus the bloom dmg depends on the EM of whoever trigger it, in this case Baizhu bcs Furina’s Hydro app, even though lackluster, is still better than Baizhu’s dendro app, and are u building EM on Baizhu whose heal scales with Hp and u also need sh*t load of ER on him bcs his particle gen is sh*t and has massive delay + his burst is costly?
Are those 2000dmg bloom dmg going to be better than hydro resonance + off field dmg buff from Sigewinne?
Baizhu is extremely overrated in most cases, his usage rate is literally being carried by Neuvillette hypercarry even though Zhongli is a way better 4th slot option for this team archetype assuming your Baizhu is C0 only, Zhongli provides res shred and 4pc petra buff, there’s no need for healer in this team archetype also as Neuvillette alone can full stack fanfare stacks in the matter of 3seconds or so
What team would you run her with furina? Because in Neuvillete teams furina runs on very low er and gets buffed with kazuha and healer or fourth buffer like zhongli,Lisa or even xiangling.
He forgor to buy comments 💀💀💀
What
Huh this channel is not even his LMAO
imagine pulling for that gremlin instead of electro mommy
we have raiden at home
I don't have Furina
I'm not pulling for either 🥱
Saving for Furina cons om
I have Neuvillette and Arle, having to build another main DPS and splitting my supports between them doesn't seem as worth as building another support who can be used in multiple team comps.
sigewinne can only heal, so what??!! she just a loli nurse with a water gun. leave her alone!!!)
no way bro said loli yuck
@@Tundra_Hunterisn't it just another one of those words like twink dilf mommy daddy
@@Tundra_Hunter bro said what hoyo themselves call her in the files woah
@@Tundra_Hunterwdym yuck? Nobody said they think lolis are hot.
lolis are just cute like little dogs, cat, nothing spicy
been seeing quite a few sigeweiner fans crapping on other characters like arle and clorinde before 4.7 beta, so i suppose this is their karma 😂
nah babes dont come at us 😭😭 she's been the least anticipated fontaine unit and the people who liked her would get her independent of her being good or not. the people you've seen were using her as excuses to hate on said units, like people who use xingqiu to hate on yelan, not the half dozen sigewinne enjoyers out there
My understanding is that Arlechino is overpowered and I don't know anything about Clorinde in gameplay. All I know is that I knew I would pull for Sigewinne pretty much as soon as I'd finished Fortress of Meropide. I have an idea of how she could potentially fit on my team, but I'm still pulling for her even if she doesn't actually fit.
Genshin keeps churning out crap characters and expecting us to want them 😅
majority of Fontaine characters have been great, and then you have mid units like wriothesley and chiori and then sigewinne just completely fell off
Tbh, genshin units can be mid, cause characters isn't the only option of monetization for hoyo, plus, people even pull for lore reasons, soooo.
Considering how disappointing the latest story and events were, I'm starting to think that HoYo's main source of income might be from people who spend a lot of time on their social media, but don't actually play the game that much.
@@pasumiya4087Dude don't do Wrio and Chiori dirty like that, they are actually good, not busted tier like Arle and Neuv, but they can be played in lots of teams and do well, Sigewine tho seems like a lost cause, its Sigeover.
"Sigewinne at c6 is better than c0 Neuvi" hoooly copium, obviously the c6 character has an edge over the c0 character, doesn't mean she's not trash that needs c6 to be remotely competent as a dps
Im confused by your reply
"Obviously the c6 character has an edge over the c0 character" so you agree with the statement...? What's the problem here?
No one said that she isn't trash
@@EdenVix yes i am agreeing with zajef but at the same time i'm confused with hyv over why they would design such a dogshit unit, my problem is that i think the fact that it takes until c6 for sigewinne to be worth playing as a dps over other units like c0 neuvi makes her even WORSE
It’s just like how C6 Dehya can finally out DPS C0 Hu Tao.