Great video! For defensive use, we get all caught up in features. Jim Cirillo was way more dangerous with his .38 Special Model 10 or his Model 19 revolvers than 95% of us with our "mall ninja," tactical pistols. :-)
As one of my martial arts instructors taught me years ago. There are those who have theories , and those who win fights. Never saw any reason to change that philosophy
Thank you Howard for a common sense discussion about handgun features that are overrated. So much hype on TH-cam for these many “gotta-have” features that fall into the “tacti-cool” category. I think sometimes people forget about the fundamentals of shooting. Considering that LE and military have succeeded in defending themselves with revolvers in .38 Special and 1911’s in .45 acp for over a hundred years, I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of either one. For competitive shooters, I get how some must-haves might shave seconds or tenths of seconds off their times, but for me, the Kimber 1911 Pro Raptor II in .45 as a daily carry and a Mossberg 12 gauge as a home defense weapon both are adequate for me. I train with both regularly and shoot them well. Thanks again for another great video. Stay well.
Well stated. Were I to comment I would say the same thing. I carry an old Springfield GI 1911 (with new springs I put in during December). I too keep a shotgun for HD, the Mossberg 590A1. I too train regularly.
Nice job on this topic Mr Funk. Being in my mid 50’s I started out life as a cop with an s&w mod 15 in the mid 80’s. I remember the older guys back then that could run that wheel gun so well it was almost scary. In all my years I never heard anyone say if I didn’t have those forward slide cuts I would’ve lost the fight.
Excellent perspective on some of the most hyped features of some Handguns. Sometimes I think that these features are hyped up just to sell the latest Handgun design and make you think that the Handgun you bought three years ago will no longer be useful or about as antique as a Flintlock. You said what a lot of us have probably been thinking!
Night sights are half as bright in 10-12 years. There's almost no scenario where you could lawfully shoot just based on night sights in the dark alone without some flashlight. Why would you fire on something you haven't identified? When a light is used, the sights get washed out anyway. Some people say it helps them find their firearm. Why would rely on a tiny dim green dot to find your defensive tool?
Having just purchased a new gun for PP that has good night sights, I really like them. Trying to acquire a target in the dark without night sights is nearly impossible. I would take night sights every time from here on for a carry/ home defense gun. Range gun, doesn’t matter. Granted they are only good for about 10 years, time to replace them when they wear out.
Great video Howard. Your last item, the Glock, may have been tongue in cheek, but it indicative of something I've thought was "overated" and that's grip angle. To me, a Glock just feels like a Glock. A 1911 feels like a 1911, a revolver feels like a revolver. I can't say I think one is "better" than the other, they've just different.
Good video. The point I was trying to make, you made for me. The one thing that really hit me is that all shooting is defensive, especially ccw. except in very small scenarios that most people will never find themselves in (most of those related actually to defense of self or others, military use etc...). My mindset is always defensive. Many of the items you showed were truly overrated. I also think that the more tacti-cool we get the more we focus on features not fundamentals. Concentrating on the extra items can be a disservice- fumbling for the laser or flashlight button- rather than concentrating on getting rounds down range.
I have had a few pistols that I no longer own due to the grip size not being the proper fit for my hands, I appreciate the interchangeable grip size feature, that initial change or affirmation of the factory fitted grip insures that the fit is much more likely to be the proper fit.
Great video, thank you. The tactical rear sight discussion made me wonder about other features that might be “needed“ to address extremely improbable events. What if the muzzle is struck by lightning? The insulating properties of polymer frame pistols could save your life, while metal frame pistols clearly present an electrocution hazard.
One of my biggest pet peeves when talking about defensive handguns is the assertion that you must use a semi-auto pistol because revolvers don't have enough ammo capacity. In the statistics I have read, virtually every citizen defensive shooting on record involved only a few shots being fired. Unless I am facing a zombie apocalypse with a horde descending on me, my .357 revolver should be quite sufficient. Thanks for the practical and sensible approach you offered in this video.
If you are going to carry something as bulky and heavy as a 357 revolver with only 6 rounds, how are you more "sensible" than someone who has 18 rounds in a smaller lighter semi auto? The answer is you aren't, you are just old and stubborn.
@@jeffd5310 I own full house automatics as well, but my snubby .357 is smaller overall and on my carriage it doesn't print as much. I suppose it depends on what you think you'll need and what is accurate and powerful enough for the job. And, yes, I am an old guy.
A little joke I have been saving to share with you A CNN reporter while interviewing a Marine sniper asked "What do you feel when you shoot a terrorist ?" The Marine shrugged and replied "Recoil" Thanks sarge
This video was a welcome breath of fresh air!!! Points described are 100% right on! With each point made in the count down, I kept thinking to myself, “is he going to talk about triggers?” Well, you did and it was spot on. I will add my own worthless .02cents of opinion about my own “list:” That is, the younger crowd who believes that aftermarket barrels AND/OR triggers “need” to be replaced for a defensive handgun. In other words, “if it doesn’t have an Apex trigger or barrel, the gun is inferior.” I whole heartedly disagree with that philosophy. I have swapped out factory Glock barrels in a couple of my Glock 10mm’s for KKM barrels, but only to shoot high pressures lead hardcast bullets. It wasn’t because I felt that a Glock barrel was inferior. Rather, Glock barrels were not designed for “wildcat” unjacketed ammo such as lead hardcast. 99.9% of the general shooting public has no specific need for that type of specialty hunting ammo to begin with and Glock made their barrels for defensive jacketed ammo types and for the masses. But the “need” to replace most factory triggers and barrels because “everybody’s doing it,” is just ignorant thinking and also I’d say made by many inexperienced shooters in general. Second on my list is the “need” for some type of glass optic on a handgun. Goodness sakes, that is soooo overrated for a defensive carry pistol. Try using an optic in rain or when the glass fogs going from one temperature extreme to another (i.e. freezing outside temp and suddenly walking into a warm room/house etc…) and the glass becomes instantly useless. I’d be willing to say that most people don’t even seriously train with an optic mounted sight on their handguns, as they just install them for the “coolness” factor. They might take it to n indoor range, fire 100 rounds and then call it “good,” …but it’s not. Also, training to get that red/green dot on target under duress is harder than most people think. Relying on co-witness sights as “back-up” are another false sense of security to most users of the suddenly failed glass optic. Whereas the “dead” or wet and fogged-up optic now becomes more of a visual barrier to the target you’re trying to watch down muzzle. Anyway, I’m off my soapbox. Great video.
Thanks! Regarding your first point, I agree that much of the trigger/barrel swapping that takes place before a pistol ever makes it to a range is performed due to a misguided belief that said things “must” be done before that pistol can ever be carried/used for self defense. Making those (and other) alterations to a carry handgun has become almost reflexive. Maybe that’s why so many manufacturers are reluctant to upgrade their factory parts. There’s no reason to do so if those parts are going into the trash bin as soon as the pistol leaves the box.
HR this an outstanding common sense video. I feel exactly the same way. Of course I'm 72 and got along fine without most of these design features. Well done and thanks for your service Marine!
I was forced to defend myself three times w/my issued .38 and you’re absolutely right. In my case I’m convinced luck was on my side, at least as much as skill & desire. As a commander in the later years I was stuck behind a desk for most of my tour, but realized I was still wearing a uniform and subject to the same “luck” when I was on the street. Fancy gadgets do not win gun fights. Thanks for another great topical video!
Honorable mentions: 1. Compensators/ported barrels. Absolutely a BAD idea on a defensive gun that you could possibly end up having to use at contact distance. They are loud and you could get the blast right in your own face. 2. Red dot mounts. Yes they are an emerging technology and have their advantages but are not absolutely essential. Decent iron sights have been keeping people alive for a very long time. 3. Large magazine capacity. Another nice-to-have, but I challenge anyone to show more than one or two instances where a civilian ever got into a shootout that lasted long enough that it took 18+ rounds to finally solve the problem. Not counting people who mag-dumped on their opponent. A six-shot revolver or nine-shot 1911 will prove more than adequate 99.999% of the time.
As far as No. 3 goes, it's a point of fact that even if they're a statistical anomaly, those situations *do* exist. If you base your selection on statistics, %99 of gun owners will never draw their weapon, much less fire it. So by your own logic, why even carry a gun? The answer is you don't need it - until you do, and then you'll wish you did. And it might be the last wish you make. So, why not carry an extra few ounces of ammo? It literally won't hurt and in the absolute worst case can save your life.
@@kuuryotwo5153 I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with high capacity pistols, until their size and weight discourages regular carry. I carried one for a lot of my time on patrol, but rarely do now that I'm retired. You're right in thinking that nobody ever complained about having too much ammo in a fight. So why do I persist in carrying what are now considered lower capacity semi-auto pistols? In two words, rapid reloading. I have pistols that hold 8 or 9 rounds that fit my hand, conceal well, and that I'm used to. They have already been thoroughly tested for reliability, and have been with me for years. I've had plenty of practice reloading. A spare magazine (or even two) is much cheaper than a new gun, another break-in period. new leather. etc. So, I stick with what I have, and don't chase the "latest and greatest" because it holds a few more rounds. All I'm saying is that for me, having a relatively rapid reload and a spare mag or two answers the question of the outlier situation where many shots are fired. I'm not overly concerned about in-gun capacity provided a gun can be reloaded quickly from behind cover. Other people may feel differently, and that is fine. Cheers.
@@kuuryotwo5153 I'm not criticizing those who want a weapon with a large capacity magazine. I'm criticizing those who criticize folks like me who feel more than adequately armed with a lower-capacity weapon as long as it checks all the other boxes. Carry whatever makes you feel the best-prepared to deal with the worst day of your life.
@Tom Crawford Good points. I think it’s less essential to have higher capacity than it is being able to shoot better by having a pistol that actually fits your hand or easier to carry so you always have it with you. Not everyone has large enough hands to shoot well with high cap models. I’ve seen some folks shooting improve 100% simply by going from a double-stack magazine to a single-stack model. More hits means fewer rounds needed to get the job done and fewer liabilities for missed rounds that could hit others. As for ease of carry, in Texas summers when all I have is a T-shirt to cover my weapon, I can’t carry ANY high cap model that isn’t easily visible under my shirt much of the time but single stack mag models are flatter and usually no issue.
Having carried a handgun of one type (pistol or revolver) and manufacturer since I was 18 (I'm now 67) concealed or exposed as a legally armed Security Officer, LEO, Soldier, and now old, tired, wore out, and retired, that IF you need more than six shots to end a firefight you are pretty much screwed, dewed, and tattooed from that point on if you are not in possession of at least one extra speed loader ( I carry two spare speed loaders when carrying a revolver as my CCW) or one, preferably two, spare magazines when a semi auto pistol is your CCW of choice or agency issued duty weapon. If it takes more than five to eighteen rounds from a revolver or nine to forty-five rounds from a semi-auto pistol to end a gunfight with a bad guy.....It might be worth your time and effort to have 911 for the Police, the Army, Marines, USAF/US Navy on speed dial for backup purposes and calling in either an artillery strike, air strike, and/or Tomahawk bombardment. Yeah, things can get nasty out there when strong language and/or a baseball bat prove inadequate for the protection of yourself, family, friends, or other innocent parties.
For my purposes, handguns are strictly for self defense at short ranges. As long as I have a decent trigger pull, and a caliber I can shoot well, there is nothing else needed. Of course, we boys like our toys though.
Regarding the “tacticool” stuff. When I look at the social media posts from certain manufacturers, it’s hard to tell if they are trying to sell guns, or if they are really selling a tacticool hipster image and their guns are just accessories to go with this image.
Agreed! It is all geared towards the younger generation that grew up with gaming and such I believe. It's whoever has the most wins attitude, yet in reality has nothing to do with a well placed shot as we all know.
Totally agree with your points, most of these features are marketing hype. The "low bore axis" of the CZ pistols is an optical illusion. The fact that the slide rails are on the inside is irrelavent. It's still a hammer fired pistol. It's no lower than a 1911 or a hi-power, just look at them side by side. The CZ slide just looks lower because it's covered up by the frame.
1911 bore axis IS higher than CZ. That is fact. But CZ is certainly not low bore axis gun. Glock, Steyr, Alien are low bore axis guns. I own Sig clone, CZ75 variant, 1911 and few others so I can physically compare them. Right question should be - does it really matter? I would say no that much. I´d take tuned 1911 to my ammo and grip strength instead of stock Glock.
Great presentation (and I enjoyed the moment of humour at the end). I am in agreement with a number of your other subscribers who commented that people would be far better off investing time familiarising themselves with their chosen pistol, and spending money on training ammunition, than acquiring any any of the features discussed in this video. Thank you.
#1 most overrated gun feature was worth the wait, having your subscribers introduce the levels of useless features might have been a nice touch but harder to produce. Love your effort and content!
It would have been fun. I would like to do an American Idol type series at some point where viewers decide the outcome based on a vote, but I haven’t quite figured out how to do it yet.
Excellent video! I spent a lot of time researching the same stuff and agree. I bought a 1911 with a full length guide rod and hated it. I replaced the rod with a traditional style and it felt so much better. With a 1911, a one handed charge can be done on the guide plug. It was designed that way when riding on horseback using the horn of the saddle. Browning knew what he was doing.
& JMB also designed the 1911 so that if that recoil spring plug was lost, a fired .45 ACP cartridge could replace it...just as the convex grip screws allowed the rim of a .45 ACP cartridge to be used as a screwdriver to remove them
[Reposting here for the good of mankind] My top 10 overrated items: 1) Red dot 2) WML (light) 3) Rail 4) Night Sights 5) Fiber Optic Sights 6) Threaded Barrel 7) Suppressor 8) Suppressor Height Sights 9) Extended Mags 10) Trigger Job
I think Night Sights ( TFO ) Trit / Fiber are the best sights I ever used . As an OG in the dark with no glasses on I can see them as good as in the day light . Black sights with Glasses on , can't see $#!T ... Point Shooting if no light .
@@danoneill2846 "As an OG in the dark with no glasses on I can see them as good as in the day light . " How the heck are you identifying your target in the dark if you can't see it?
@@papimaximus95 My house is not like inside a bank vault , but even with LOW light , I can't see any sights that are on a black gun or SS gun . My family members don't kick the door in . The dog knows who the bad guys are . I also don't have any gang member over to my house , if they show up they are not welcome . Get REAL dude !! The POINT IS Night Sights are 100% useful & worth the $$ .
You make some valid observations. I personally like a threaded barrel. Gives me a little extra barrel length, and a compensator can be used. It boils down to what we find to be useful, or practical. An internally ported barrel with relief cuts in the slide seem practical, but they sure do dirty up a gun in a hurry... I just figured that out with the 9 plus, at least it's a good shooter.
Great video. Thanks for bringing some common sense to self defense videos. I went back to carrying an old S&W revolver like I started with. Simple, reliable and accurate. I don't need anything else on a handgun.
as a disabled person, born with Spina bifida, recently purchased my first hand gun, the fist suggestion given to me was the S&W EZ 380, funny enough the same arthritis that makes it hard to rack a slide also made it hard to dis-engage the grip safety. I then tried a Glock 42....and 100% agree they are over rated, 50 rounds, 8 round mag at a time, I could not get a whole mag through it without a malfunction, after a few more guns, I settled on a Walther PDP Compact, which somewhat ironically has like 7 of the things on this list. why I settled on it? because it is designed as a duty pistol, including an officer wearing gloves, the mags Eject out, the trigger is a dream, as far as the slide, in addition to a lighter spring, the super-terrain serrations make gripping easier for a weaker hand, and Finally those sights being Glock compatible means I have switched them for surpressor sights, because while I did my short-list shopping I racked a gun that came with an optic From the factory and that made all the difference in the world. so suppressor sight will give me more ability to rack and cost savings of an optic on an already pricey gun. last note, bottom Pick Rail- sure people dealt with seperate flashlights for years, decades even, but that also means carrying a seperate peice of gear, why not have one attached and deal with just one peice of gear ?
I’m glad you found a pistol that works for you. As I mentioned in the video, if someone has a need or desire for some of these features, by all means they should get them. I just think they are overrated for the majority of defensive shooters.
1911 flat or arched mainspring housing. Possibly the first interchangeable back strap. All of my 1911s got an arched MSH and a long trigger to feel right in my hand. Short reset triggers. Try telling Jerry Miculek or Ed McGivern you can't shoot fast with a long reset.
Lol I died when shown number 1, I have a g19 and hardly carry it because it’s still a boat anchor compared to my colt detective special I got from grandpa few years back he was the chief of police in our town back in the old days. I Still carry it every where.
One of your best videos. Really glad you addressed trigger reset. Most individuals that are involved in a defensive firearm incident may not even realize how many times they pulled the trigger let alone where the reset is. The amount of focus trigger reset currently receives is IMHO a bit absurd. If a person doesn't train (regardless of what gun is used) all a quick reset will accomplish is helping to miss quicker. Blessings
Thank you for your common sense. My S & W revolvers and Colt 1911's have had few of these if any expensive, unnecessary extras. Honestly, why does a normal gun loving, bell ringing range shooter need a $310 red dot sight on a pistol. Also, why are very expensive extras used for big game handgun hunting necessary for a sub-compact 9mm ? This is indicative of the " pile everything on the gun possible " mindset. Too bad these same individuals cannot put the same effort in to perfecting shot placement
Red dot optics have allowed me to totally raise my level and effectiveness at aiming from short and long range immensely. I also have a much easier time with any kind of sight picture adjustment, especially with becoming way more efficient with both eyes open, allowing me to have much better field of view. It's also greatly helped me with repeated shot alignment, especially from the holster. I too once believed that optics such as that on a pistol were for the weekend range shooters and had no place in defensive scenerios and never imagined I would replace my carry and home defense options with options allowing for an optic.... Not until I purchased a pistol as a "weekend fun gun" with red dot optic.... I was absolutely shocked at what I had been missing out on and has allowed me to drop some other bias driven opinions, giving me a more open mind.
Interesting and entertaining presentation. You are one of the very few firearms TH-camrs that I can listen to without my blood pressure getting out of control. After many decades, I am still having a hard time finding a handgun that I shoot better and like more than the stock, with orange painted front sight, FN HP, also known as Browning HP. Glock 23 with fiber optic sights is second best. I hate the look but Glocks in general, work well for me.
I think that there was a large portion of us, that bought into many of these features. My most recent firearm purchase was a Kahr with that "dreadfully long trigger reset" that they are known for. I think that I'll be just fine with it. If I'm not, then I don't think other features will make the definitive difference in my day. lol
Lance corporal , the perfect carry gun is Col. Rex Applegate's, S&W 1917, Fitz special .45 ACP. 😆 My EDC is a Ruger LCR in .357 MAG. We've got bears around here!
Great list. Some features that I would like to see go away for are finger groove grips and rubbery grips. Neither of those work for me, and having to replace them is a costly PITA.
Another dubious trend: making pistols ever lighter and thus, less accurate. For decades, heavier pistols and revolvers were the norm and shot accurately because of their stabilizing, heavier weights.
A few thoughts here: As far as finish is concerned a preference of mine is either a DLC or black nitride finish. Corrosion resistance is quite important in a carry gun for me. Threaded barrels are definitely overrated. Bore axis is the biggest one that's overrated for me. I shoot Sigs faster and more accurately than M&Ps or Glocks. Also, as far as trigger reset is concerned, quick pistol shooting in part lies in resting the trigger when recoiling, so reset distance doesn't matter as much as people think.
Joshua Bracke I agree with all your points especially overrated bore axis. We are going to have recoil no matter what axis high or low so we best learn how to deal with it by proper gun handling instead of looking for a nonexistent pistol design that will magically make it go away. Triggers and sights under stress and for short CCW pistol distances are not as important as they are for longer range shooting. You don't need great sights and trigger to hit a man size target at seven to fifteen yards but you do for one at 25 to 30 yards. You don't even need to aim. You just need to be able to point the pistol at the target and pull the trigger without moving the pistol off target. Fire control. As far as the gun finish is concerned for me, flashy finishes I am not so much worried about giving away my position by reflecting light nearly as much as light glare reflecting back in my face while looking at the sights and trying to acquire the target. So I don't like flashy finishes for an entirely different reason that is "very" critical to me. I don't want glare in my face when I don't have to have it. Features are not nearly as important as practice and training but with practice and training we learn what features are important to us as individuals to be able to hit the mark.
Right on once again! I've had the same thoughts after using and teaching firearms for defense in law enforcement for 35 years. All of what you mentioned are "features" promoted by pretenders and/or shills who make money helping the industry sell new product. Front slide serrations are an accident waiting to happen for most handgun users, and they also interfere with a smooth draw and re-holster. Full-length recoil spring guide has no proven function other than to make the 1911 harder to disassemble. Threaded muzzle is another useless thing to go wrong when the thread protector loosens up. Inverted slide rails leave hardly any slide exposed for manipulation - which is much more important than some fractional decrease in muzzle lift. Accessory rail on a concealed carry gun for close range self-defense - more bulk and ridiculousness. While interchangeable grips etc is perhaps useful on the margin, however if you are an individual you pick the firearm that fits your hand, practice with it, and be done with the fiddling. Tactical ledge rear sight - an unnecessary solution to a 0.00003% problem. Trigger reset arguments - target shooter issues which make no difference in self-defense. PS. Love that nickel-finish S&W Model 39-2, I have the same one!
This was a GREAT - and a very enjoyable - video Howard, thank you. FWIW, I’ll offer five comments: 1. At the video’s beginning you mentioned three attributes that are critical to prevail in a defensive encounter. I’d suggest a fourth: Situational Awareness. The very best gunfight is one in which the lawful citizen is not completed to participate. Therefore, the experience, judgement and common sense to leave - or never to enter, if that’s possible - a probably hostile environment just might be as important as skill, determination and good fortune. 2. We all know that many potential armed encounters are terminated by the mere appearance of a firearm (psychological stops). Therefore, I do not entirely agree with the concept of very subdued external handgun appearance. Sure, if a lawful citizen has gotten to the point where a two way exchange of fire is imminent, then “flat black” may be an EXTREMELY minor advantage. However, wouldn’t it be preferable if the predatory felon recognized that the citizen wasn’t a “helpless lamb,” and instantaneously wanted no part of the situation? 3. IMHO, very short trigger resents - combined with ultra-high ammunition capacity - often may lead to a “spay and pray” defensive proclivity (for many casual shooters), which I despise and which we all know is potentially very dangerous to innocents. One of the reasons I like traditional DA/SA revolvers is they may required an additional second or so before a follow up shot is fired. In that near-always time-fraction, a better sight picture and a more precise shot may be possible. I’d emphasize Teddy Roosevelt’s famous -and entirely accurate - dictum: “In battle, the only shots that count are those that hit.” 4. FWIW, I would have considered adding “ultra-high capacity” to your list. Of course, there are circumstances where this is an very worthwhile feature - a county sheriff, at 0300, patrolling an area the size of Rhode Island, with no help readily available OR a LCpl defending himself and his team with a sidearm - but for most of us, I fear this only potentially enables ‘too many rounds fired, with too few hits.” 5. Finally, many of these “bells and whistles” aren’t axiomatically bad - my exception to this is ANYTHING that leads to or facilitates “spraying and praying” - but neither are they especially beneficial . . . and generally they’re certainly not required. When I left my bedroom and walked downstairs to the coffee maker at 0530 today, my 2.25 inch barrel, .357 magnum, Ruger SP101 accompanied me (and that’s a nearly daily occurrence). Fundamentally, that revolver hardly differs from Colt and Smith designs manufactured over a century ago. Okay, I live in an area where horrendous and violent crimes (I’m thinking of multiple armed home invaders, murders, kidnappings, etc.) are essentially unheard of, BUT I don’t feel at all inadequately armed with that archaic, five shot, Ruger . . . AND a Sig M17 or a M16A2 (both outstanding firearms) wouldn’t provide any more realistic protection (for MY normal circumstances).
Thanks Roy! Just FYI, I agree completely with #1. My comments in the video were realted to circumstances where the fight was unavoidable. #2 is interesting to consider. Certainly a more conspicuous, if not more menacing appearance might cause a less committed criminal to contemplate an instantaneous career change. #3, as you know, is entirely dependent upon training. It's also an argument, in various forms, that has been used in both law enforcement and the miliatry for avoiding a change to firearms that potentially allowed the undisciplined spray of bullets. At this juncture, the ship may have sailed and all we can do is preach training, awareness, and if possible, avoidance (did that bring us back to #1?). #4 is similar to #3, and again I don't see us turning back that tide (although many persons in government would be all for it). #5. I would feel perfectly safe if I was having coffee with you in your home. Thanks for a great comment!
HR this is great information and I would add two things.Flash light on rail is a direct violation of safety rule #2. As far as trigger reset fast is fine accuracy is final.
On bore axis, I will say that between my Ruger p90 and my SIG p220....versus my Glock 21. I noticed a pretty significant difference between the recoil. I can get rounds off quicker and more accurate with the 21 because of that. Great video though.
I really appreciated your video sir! I'm really into super basic, no frills kind of concealed carrier. I generally carry a Glock or Smith auto, and occasionally a .38 snub. I prefer standard factory sights, no optics, and my only aftermarket add-on I may install is a Hogue wrap-around grip. I'm with you on the flashlight mounts. I left law enforcement before the light rails were the rage. Lights, to me, take away the natural balance of the pistol. I leave my guns in original factory condition and design because they're engineered to function well as they are. I see folks tweeking their guns, and they can really mess up basic reliability.
Awesome video! Trigger reset would be my number one most over hyped firearm feature. Also, the whole, "tacticool" training mindset that you have to train AND equip yourself to defend against the inevitable attack on your home by a squad of spetznaz and 3 ninjas otherwise you might as well throw in the towel and surrender. I have nothing against getting as much training as you can/want, but some of the SAS wannabes who think you need a full combat loadout for basic self or home defense are ridiculous. My next biggest overhype gripe involves Glock pistols. And it's the mindset that it is totally useless out of the box and you HAVE to replace everything on it for it to work. Out of the box, the Glock works just fine as a service pistol, which it is what it was designed for. Are there better sights? Yes. Are there better triggers? Depends on your intended use. But what comes on it works well. IF you practice. The funny thing is, most of the shooters who poo poo the Glock also have AR's that have every accessory and modification they can find so it is, tacticool. There's an idea for your next video; Over rated AR features.
I love all of your videos but this one in particular is my favorite. You approach the subject like I do with guitars. In the guitar world I see a lot of topics on strings or finish type and even weight and neck dive . I just play the dang thing, if it plays good and sounds good im good. I don't care if it's got a special finish or bone nuts etc.
To me, one that was not mentioned, is the over blown emphasis of magazine capacity. Double stack vs. single stack, in defensive carry . The notion that if you carry 7 or 8 round semiautomatic, you are at a disadvantage.Not true at all. Well most gunfights in defensive encounters, is an average of 4 or 5 rounds fired total. Sure, a large capacity magazine of say 15 or 17 rounds, is a good thing, but on average you are also well served with a single stack of 7 or 8 rounds. Some will say carrying a 1911 with 7 or 8 rounds is nuts. Well, John Wick, I am not. I do carry 1 or 2 extra single stack magazines on me, and practice reloading. Double stack, or single stack, is fine. I also think red dot sights are overly emphasized in defensive carry. Average distance of a gunfight is at very close quarters. 3 to 5 yards. At that distance, you will have a very difficult time getting your red dot sights to eye level, before you fire, anyway. I do believe red dots are good for distances over 7 yards, where you should have time to bring your red dot sight, to eye level. They are great for competition shooting too.
Well said. I remember when the advantage to the automatic was the fact that you can get fast reloads, faster than the revolver, and that that was the magic in of itself. The reloading of autos is a dying philosophy with the high cap mag bit being with us for years and years now.
Ralph Hernandez * I agree that the double stack magazine is way out of proportion for a concealed carry. I entered ROTC in high school and continued my knowledge with firearms running my own business in gun sales. I am 70 years old, There was only one time that I had to draw my 380 Beretta for selfdefense.three shots rang out and the confrontation was over. It’s a terrible thing to have to shoot knowing you are going to kill Your opposition but I have never Heard of a person trained in firearms that had to shoot an entire clip to end any confrontation against his life.
I agree with the front slide serrations except for the Beretta 92 and other designs with a slide-mounted safety; in that situation, I find it is sometimes easier to rack the slide (and less likely to accidentally engage or disengage the safety) if you use the front of the slide. And unfortunately a lot of 92s and clones lack front slide serrations. I, however, appreciate having them on my Girsan Regard MC Gen 4 Sport.
Full length guide rods did, in fact, improve accuracy when added to "military tolerances" pistols. As with many things, when it finally becomes popular, the reasons for doing something are forgotten. Note I said "military tolerances". A well made pistol with good tolerances doesn't really benefit in accuracy. The other reason for the full length guide rods is that RARELY the spring would "kink" and become less reliable. Personally, it seemed to me that the occasional kinked spring was when hot loads were regularly used. Don't have any facts or examples, but that was always my impression when I saw a kinked recoil spring. Since a lot of people use "+P" ammo, that might be a reason for getting or keeping a full length guide rod. Re: trigger reset - McGivern set all those speed firing records with a DA revolver. When asked about this, his response was "a semiautomatic doesn't cycle fast enough." In other words he had to wait on the slide to get back in battery. Trigger reset time was meaningless to him because he could cycle the trigger faster than the slide would work.
I am old school but this old dog can be taught new tricks , something I've done for over 45 years is keep it simple. not clutter my weapons with unnecessary junk ,I see all the time on you tube weapons with who knows what nearly from one end to the outher, to much to come loose and continuely checking on , in most close quarter combat training practicing I don't need no sights , a good percent of my practice ally years has been instinct shooting which is easy to learn,, fact is you may not have time to use sights ,at 10 yards I can easily eat up 5_6inch circle with. pistols/ revolvers , that is being disabled with health issues , unsteady , troubles with hands and outher things,but not helpless ,have trouble cycling some of my semi auto pistols but no problems with my revolvers, I greatly enjoyed the video, just a old marksman/ rifleman retraining my self to what works best for me now.i found your sight and like it because you got good sense , nanna and papa wishing you well
There's a good chance I'm wrong, but I would bet that a lot of those "short reset" people have either never shot a good double action revolver or have near zero experience with one. The only semi-autos I've shot with triggers I would consider to be anywhere near comparable in feel are DA/SA triggers made by Beretta. One would be the 92A1 and another would be the 21A Bobcat. This is not to be confused with simply light triggers like the Sig P365 has which is an ND just begging to happen. As far as matte black finishes go, my M&P340 came that way. When I changed out the grips, I kept to a black look just to keep it all black. It's for deep concealed carry, so no one is going to be admiring it. And there is the added benefit that I don't have to go all OCD getting the carbon from firing off of it. That's just me of course. My 66-8 and 629 3" pre-lock are steel finishes, the 629 being near mirror finish, I do like to have looking their best. They are more of an open carry and so they have to look good! LOL. ETA: My Walther PPK/S I would consider to be a really good trigger if the trigger shoe wasn't serrated. I don't know what they were thinking when they did that. It's like a cheese grater in DA. SA is pretty good.
Very well put. I shoot a DAO Smith and Wesson model 64 as my main shooter. I bought a Walther P22CA to get into semi automatics. I have never been comfortable with any semi automatic and preferred my old school revolver. I'm now shooting several of my son's 9mm and my wife's Smith and Wesson SD9 VE is becoming a favorite. I like a slightly heavier trigger. I'm a working guitarist and bassist so my fingers are stronger than average. A heavier trigger to some is too light for me. My son says most 38 special revolvers have my name written all over them. Just like a guitar if it's comfortable in the hand you have 90% of it down. To me comfort and shot placement are the most important. Find a comfortable one and practice until shot placement is good
@@martyneff4008 Oddly enough, I run #8 strings on my PRS-SE (the standard for PRS is #9). I actually do have weak fingers. And you DON'T want to hear me try and play guitar! LOL. It's one of those things. I will say I am a big fan of the J-Frames. There are so many to choose from! You don't have to make a life style change to carry one. Just a bit of practice with the right load and you're good to go. Easier than guitar!
@@Fudmottin I used 10-46 and 13-56 on my Surf Guitars. After my heart attack and meds softening up my hands I run 9-42 on all my guitars and 45-100 on my basses. I'm a lefty but was taught to play right handed. So my left is my fingering hand. I shoot left handed
@@martyneff4008 I think Brian May is one of those guys who runs 10-46 because he is good at breaking strings. I'm in no position to argue with his choice! It would be nice to have one of his guitars. His Phd thesis on Zodiacal Light has also been important for the search for exoplanets. Talk about talent!
Thoughts: Weapon mounted lights don’t mean that you don’t need a handheld flashlight. I sweat on guns, so finish is a consideration. Practice is more important than interchangeable back straps. Night sights are overrated; you need some light available to identify targets. The word tactical is abused to the point that most couldn’t properly define the word. I don’t like weak trigger resets. Revolvers are easier to live with - can look to see if loaded - don’t beat that expensive carry ammo to death loading and unloading. I like to blackout the rear sight on a lot of my pistols; the white dot or orange painted ramp up front is just fine. I’m sure my comments make the world a better place. :)
HR, all Beretta 92s are stuck with the full length guide rod, of course. It's mostly just the 1911 design and problematic field stripping that's the problem with this platform. About the only thing a gunsmith friend of mine told me ages ago is that an FLGR is good for "3-5%" spring efficiency over time. Not a big deal if one is consistently swapping out springs. Good video, sir.
Guess I’m old school, but agree with this list. I’ve been issued or have owned pistols that I carried or currently carry daily that either had none or nearly all of of these features. I’ve found no value in any of them except an accessory rail. Being able to mount a weapon light is useful, but really are only on a full size pistol not intended to be concealed. On a CCW it’s just adding bulk making it harder to conceal and with some carry methods less comfortable to wear. Even on a full size pistol I still prefer to use a separate light for most situations as I don’t like having to point my weapon everywhere I might need to point a light. Despite the huge variety of new features and accessories available now vs years ago, I still find the only thing usually needed to make a pistol perform better for me in any way is better grips. This is regardless of whether or not the pistol had changeable back-straps, which never seem to be better than the standard size. I put Hogues or grip tape on everything and it makes a big difference in my accuracy and recoil control. I get a lot more improvement in performance spending money on ammo and training than on new gear, extra features, and accessories. The rest is usually doing little other than making more money for the guys selling us this stuff. Thanks for another great common sense video!
Great video, really interesting. I’m a big fan of revolvers so I really appreciate when you bring them into the discussion. Take care and keep up the good work.
Another great video on a topic rarely being discussed these days. Thank you Mr Funk for such a good common sense video. Although I have a mounted light on my handgun and I like it, it isn't very safe to be pointing a firearm around in all directions to light up the area, better to have a small handheld light for that purpose, there is no reason to point a firearm at anything you don't potentially intended to shoot.
Great video. I glad you did not mention fuzzy dice. Which means I don't have take them off my gun. I would not be able to hit anything without them. Thank you for the great work.
Very well thought out and inclusive list and concur. My recollection with lights was sometimes having the flexibility of holding the light away from your body might be the best approach to avoid being the target. Once again the 3 things you talked about which from my perspective includes the weapons you shoot best and most accurate, meets the intended purpose, and you are trained and maintain proficiency is what matters most. As far as an overall collection beyond CCW for most of us consisting of a shotgun, a hunting rifle, a 4 inch revolver (.357 mag preferred), a 1911, any reliable 9mm from model 59 to Glock, a .22LR plinker, and probably a semi-auto like an AR checks all the boxes for defense, hunting, and overall survival. Thanks much Mr. HR Funk.
I absolutely agree with you on trigger reset. When we qualified, we did a round with just trigger reset. If I threw a round that was when I did it. It took me out of my rhythm.
Aha ha ha! Trolling, with class 👍 I love it. I've been catching fish on the same Zebco 33 combo for over 40 years. No adjustments required. Get something that works and learn how to use it well, and you'll be all set.
Great review and topic. I have been wondering many of these very issues for decades. I agree with every one of your selections. We've gotten away from the basic fundamentals and seek quick fixes to improve our pistol techniques. Thanks for raising these points. That LOWER BORE AXIS is the most exaggerated one on here. I learned in 1911's, transitioned to M9 9mm and now carry Glock 30S .45 acp. All three recoil, flip the barrel and have been mastered just fine for EDC. The one weapon I notice this muzzle flip in was when I tried a smaller 1911 style ( Detonics .45acp) . That thing almost jump out of my hand. Thanks Semper Fi
Apparently I need to make a lot of modifications to my S&W 1917 in order for it to work for defense. I'm glad someone knows what's important and what's not. Great video.
Logical and well thought out. Also thanks for making me remember what an idiot I was in 1992 for trading off my Model 66 for a 686. The L frame is a fine revolver but that K frame was quite literally the most accurate pistol I have ever shot.
HRFunk, the big advantage to the full length guide rod in a 1911 is that it makes the gun easier to get back together for those who are inexperienced with reassembling 1911's. With the number of new gun owners in the last few years here, I think it's a welcome quality of life feature to add to the design since I havn't seen it cause any issues so far.
I suppose it's as much personal; preference as anything else, but I don't see how the FLGR makes the pistol any easier to reassemble. If anything, I think they make disassembly/reassembly more complex.
My CCW is a Ruger EC9s that has a Crimson Trace laser red dot attached to it and it can be found in my pocket as soon as I put on my pants: it's there when I'm cooking breakfast. I have a 9 shot spare magazine that fits in a knife case on my belt for when I leave the house. The reason I chose it is for a pocket carry. Appendix holsters may be all and good, but on a hot day when I want to go biking around town and trail, I always have it in my pocket whereas I might decide to leave an 1911 at home and take a smaller gun I'm not used to like a Ruger LCP .380 and then be under-armed. I've been quite happy with this gun and I have only once had a person notice it in my pocket and that's because it was a young black man who thought I was an undercover cop! lol I go everywhere with it: Grocery Stores, Gas Stations, Doctors Offices, Hospitals. Almost nobody notices it and for CONCEALED carry, I think that's the primary concern. I'd rather be practiced with a .32 like 007 and have people be unaware I'm armed than be toting Harry Callahan's S&W model 29 in a shoulder holster under a suit coat, because the only people who didn't see he had a cannon under his left armpit were the bad guys in those movies.
Couldn’t agree more. I recall training on the M1911 and M9 before all these tacticool features became mandatory to be “innovative” and did just fine. Sure, some of the features are nice to have, but certainly not necessary for successful defense. For me, I find simpler is better. Thanks for another great video, HR!
I watched this one through again. Still solid commentary. It is amazing the things that become the tactical mantras. I had a well meaning guy comment one time on a comparison I did between a Glock Gen 3 and the M&P 1.0 how he couldn't shoot as well as I did, but I was "slapping" the trigger because I let the trigger go all the way back instead of shooting to the reset.
There are so many things being preached from the pulpit of tacticool doctrine that it’s becoming difficult for some shooters to keep track of the original goal. If someone (like yourself) is putting accurate shots on target within acceptable time parameters, everything else is academic.
That's why we put Quad rails on the front of our AR platform rifles. We like to pile tons of cheap lasers, dots, irons, glass, bottle openers, sling points, risers and other such on there.
Trigger reset can be important in terms of a shorter reset preventing your finger from having to come out further, thus reducing the tendency to jerk the pistol to the left on follow-up shots. I really liked the video, and enjoy your content!
I'm a retired Police Officer and our dog handler was really the only one who had a flashlight on his pistol because he didn't have enough hands to handle the dog, the pistol and a flashlight. I never had one on my pistol but if I was a dog handler I would want one. Also you are correct on trigger reset, makes no sense to me. In a gun fight you are firing your pistol or rifle without giving any thought to trigger reset. Every time I hear someone talk about it I tell them "while you are doing your reset thing I have already shot you 5 times. I don't get this reset thing at all. I am a long range shooter for 30yrs and have my own 800yd range and I can't remember ever using trigger reset. In a real gun fight you will have both eyes open no matter how hard you try and you will be firing off rounds without waiting for the so called reset. Great video and great common sense.
I’m not convinced, under stress, even the most highly trained person “shoots to reset.” Regard of the dog handler, as I mentioned in the video, if one has a need for some of those features then they should select a pistol that has them. As you said, most people don’t really have that need. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk You are correct and I like the common sense and knowledge you give to shooters who may not have a lot of experience. You help guide them so as to not waste there money on what I call gadgets. Us old school guys use the KISS method.
A lot of it depends on what the shooter (purchaser) is looking for. The nice thing is there are hundreds of different guns out there for us to choose from now. The most important things to have is training and practice. All the accessories / help in the world won't matter if you can't operate under high stress
I agree on light rails. My duty pistol has a light on it but I’m still concerned about how some officers search danger areas with the weapon lights. In my mind that’s a problem waiting to happen.
Just finished college and training for LEO and can assure you we are still taught the "old" methods with flashlights, in addition to manipulation and usage of weapon-mounted lights for immediate shooting in low light conditions. We also still trained to shoot with the Harries, FBI/Modified FBI among others. That being said, I don't know any LEOs today that don't use a WML, but I think for CCW it's less needed.
When I was taking a class to get a pistol permit, the instructor was a retired Coast Guard officer. He carried a Glock 21. He told us that the finish on Glocks was so good that soldiers could sharpen bayonets on the slide in the field, lol.
"Tactile and audible reset" is the stupidest thing ever but it's so overblown. You are never going to hear or feel the reset of your trigger in a defensive use of a firearm.
One of the best videos I’ve watched lately!! You left out one of my pet peeves that everyone pushes are must have rmr optics on a handgun.. you aren’t a real shooter without some sort of red dot .. smh 🙄
After special colors, finishes, and other purely aesthetic aspects, the most overrated aspect of a handgun is a super slick trigger. In the heat of a moment, that special trigger is probably more likely to cause an ND than to improve your accuracy. The most important characteristics of a defensive handgun are the decision-making skills and operating skills of the wielder.
Very sensible very well put. People go into the gun store sometimes and don't appreciate the idea of a minimalist older style firearm still as a viable self defense or hunting tool. before these bells and whistles people would innovate you'll still find surprisingly modern equivalents in vintage guns the world of shooting has been improved by being able to find a handgun that really fits you out of box it's a wonderful starting point I agree today many invest their trust in features as a make or break they invest their faith in a handgun that looks mean none of those features is a substitute for range time and dry fire drills practicing draw there are merits to an uncluttered simplistic design especially when adrenaline and stress begin to impact coordination. A gun without many of these features in good hands is going to be effective today as it was then I have two pistols with a rail section one wears a light as an HD nightstand gun I'm probably going to place one on the other as the weight out front might be helpful for the subcompact balance the unclean edges of a vacant rail for some reason bother me. looks are irrelevant if you ever have to use it folks nobody is going to say "wow that's a pretty cool looking gun" you either walk away with a gun that worked in the moment or are carried away.
The front slide is the least of my issues.just have one in the chamber ,or u can also just put some type of grip tape on the front portion if u really like that relod, personally I'm comfy with my EDC to just slide release when I recharge. Great list to keep whats really important.
Great video! For defensive use, we get all caught up in features. Jim Cirillo was way more dangerous with his .38 Special Model 10 or his Model 19 revolvers than 95% of us with our "mall ninja," tactical pistols. :-)
Agreed!
Didn't expect to see you here Mr Hickok! A man of fine taste!
Good to see ya Greg!
whats' up, Hickok45?...Arizona said it.....
I agree
As one of my martial arts instructors taught me years ago. There are those who have theories , and those who win fights. Never saw any reason to change that philosophy
Thank you Howard for a common sense discussion about handgun features that are overrated. So much hype on TH-cam for these many “gotta-have” features that fall into the “tacti-cool” category. I think sometimes people forget about the fundamentals of shooting. Considering that LE and military have succeeded in defending themselves with revolvers in .38 Special and 1911’s in .45 acp for over a hundred years, I certainly wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of either one. For competitive shooters, I get how some must-haves might shave seconds or tenths of seconds off their times, but for me, the Kimber 1911 Pro Raptor II in .45 as a daily carry and a Mossberg 12 gauge as a home defense weapon both are adequate for me. I train with both regularly and shoot them well. Thanks again for another great video. Stay well.
Thanks Stephen!
Well stated. Were I to comment I would say the same thing. I carry an old Springfield GI 1911 (with new springs I put in during December). I too keep a shotgun for HD, the Mossberg 590A1. I too train regularly.
I love the kimber 1911 raptor just havent pull the Bill trigger for yet
Carry a black ice rapide still want a raptor . Both exceptional kimbers
@@bubbarox1071 I just picked up a new Kimber Stainless II last week in .45. I’m happy with Kimber 1911s.
Nice job on this topic Mr Funk. Being in my mid 50’s I started out life as a cop with an s&w mod 15 in the mid 80’s. I remember the older guys back then that could run that wheel gun so well it was almost scary. In all my years I never heard anyone say if I didn’t have those forward slide cuts I would’ve lost the fight.
Ha, neither have I. Thanks for watching!
Excellent perspective on some of the most hyped features of some Handguns. Sometimes I think that these features are hyped up just to sell the latest Handgun design and make you think that the Handgun you bought three years ago will no longer be useful or about as antique as a Flintlock. You said what a lot of us have probably been thinking!
Thank you!
Been shooting handguns for well over 35 years and the only feature I've found to add any significant assist factor in a carry gun is night sights.
They SHOULD all come with night sights.
I honestly think even night sights are over rated. They are certainly trendy though.
Night sights are half as bright in 10-12 years. There's almost no scenario where you could lawfully shoot just based on night sights in the dark alone without some flashlight. Why would you fire on something you haven't identified? When a light is used, the sights get washed out anyway. Some people say it helps them find their firearm. Why would rely on a tiny dim green dot to find your defensive tool?
I eliminated the need for night sights: I never go out after dark! LOL. Good to have, obviously, in all seriousness….
Having just purchased a new gun for PP that has good night sights, I really like them. Trying to acquire a target in the dark without night sights is nearly impossible. I would take night sights every time from here on for a carry/ home defense gun. Range gun, doesn’t matter. Granted they are only good for about 10 years, time to replace them when they wear out.
Great video Howard. Your last item, the Glock, may have been tongue in cheek, but it indicative of something I've thought was "overated" and that's grip angle. To me, a Glock just feels like a Glock. A 1911 feels like a 1911, a revolver feels like a revolver. I can't say I think one is "better" than the other, they've just different.
Thanks Richard!
Good video. The point I was trying to make, you made for me. The one thing that really hit me is that all shooting is defensive, especially ccw. except in very small scenarios that most people will never find themselves in (most of those related actually to defense of self or others, military use etc...). My mindset is always defensive. Many of the items you showed were truly overrated. I also think that the more tacti-cool we get the more we focus on features not fundamentals. Concentrating on the extra items can be a disservice- fumbling for the laser or flashlight button- rather than concentrating on getting rounds down range.
I saw a video of a cop in a gun fight .. had to take a TIME OUT to turn the Dot on ?? on his AR Rifle
I have had a few pistols that I no longer own due to the grip size not being the proper fit for my hands, I appreciate the interchangeable grip size feature, that initial change or affirmation of the factory fitted grip insures that the fit is much more likely to be the proper fit.
Great video, thank you. The tactical rear sight discussion made me wonder about other features that might be “needed“ to address extremely improbable events. What if the muzzle is struck by lightning? The insulating properties of polymer frame pistols could save your life, while metal frame pistols clearly present an electrocution hazard.
Nobody:
Yeah that's why I have the anti lighting rod installed in my tactical pistol ,600$ but worth to know I wont be struck dead by lighting.
One of my biggest pet peeves when talking about defensive handguns is the assertion that you must use a semi-auto pistol because revolvers don't have enough ammo capacity. In the statistics I have read, virtually every citizen defensive shooting on record involved only a few shots being fired. Unless I am facing a zombie apocalypse with a horde descending on me, my .357 revolver should be quite sufficient. Thanks for the practical and sensible approach you offered in this video.
You’re welcome Paul. Thanks for watching!
Paul, Thats right!!!! my pet peeve as well!!!!!
If you are going to carry something as bulky and heavy as a 357 revolver with only 6 rounds, how are you more "sensible" than someone who has 18 rounds in a smaller lighter semi auto? The answer is you aren't, you are just old and stubborn.
I think it’s more accurate to say wheelgunners are confident and comfortable.
@@jeffd5310 I own full house automatics as well, but my snubby .357 is smaller overall and on my carriage it doesn't print as much. I suppose it depends on what you think you'll need and what is accurate and powerful enough for the job. And, yes, I am an old guy.
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A CNN reporter while interviewing a Marine sniper asked
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Thanks sarge
This video was a welcome breath of fresh air!!! Points described are 100% right on! With each point made in the count down, I kept thinking to myself, “is he going to talk about triggers?” Well, you did and it was spot on. I will add my own worthless .02cents of opinion about my own “list:”
That is, the younger crowd who believes that aftermarket barrels AND/OR triggers “need” to be replaced for a defensive handgun. In other words, “if it doesn’t have an Apex trigger or barrel, the gun is inferior.” I whole heartedly disagree with that philosophy. I have swapped out factory Glock barrels in a couple of my Glock 10mm’s for KKM barrels, but only to shoot high pressures lead hardcast bullets. It wasn’t because I felt that a Glock barrel was inferior. Rather, Glock barrels were not designed for “wildcat” unjacketed ammo such as lead hardcast. 99.9% of the general shooting public has no specific need for that type of specialty hunting ammo to begin with and Glock made their barrels for defensive jacketed ammo types and for the masses. But the “need” to replace most factory triggers and barrels because “everybody’s doing it,” is just ignorant thinking and also I’d say made by many inexperienced shooters in general.
Second on my list is the “need” for some type of glass optic on a handgun. Goodness sakes, that is soooo overrated for a defensive carry pistol. Try using an optic in rain or when the glass fogs going from one temperature extreme to another (i.e. freezing outside temp and suddenly walking into a warm room/house etc…) and the glass becomes instantly useless. I’d be willing to say that most people don’t even seriously train with an optic mounted sight on their handguns, as they just install them for the “coolness” factor. They might take it to n indoor range, fire 100 rounds and then call it “good,” …but it’s not. Also, training to get that red/green dot on target under duress is harder than most people think. Relying on co-witness sights as “back-up” are another false sense of security to most users of the suddenly failed glass optic. Whereas the “dead” or wet and fogged-up optic now becomes more of a visual barrier to the target you’re trying to watch down muzzle. Anyway, I’m off my soapbox. Great video.
Thanks!
Regarding your first point, I agree that much of the trigger/barrel swapping that takes place before a pistol ever makes it to a range is performed due to a misguided belief that said things “must” be done before that pistol can ever be carried/used for self defense. Making those (and other) alterations to a carry handgun has become almost reflexive. Maybe that’s why so many manufacturers are reluctant to upgrade their factory parts. There’s no reason to do so if those parts are going into the trash bin as soon as the pistol leaves the box.
HR this an outstanding common sense video. I feel exactly the same way. Of course I'm 72 and got along fine without most of these design features. Well done and thanks for your service Marine!
You’re welcome Ed. Thanks for watching!
I was forced to defend myself three times w/my issued .38 and you’re absolutely right. In my case I’m convinced luck was on my side, at least as much as skill & desire. As a commander in the later years I was stuck behind a desk for most of my tour, but realized I was still wearing a uniform and subject to the same “luck” when I was on the street. Fancy gadgets do not win gun fights. Thanks for another great topical video!
You’re welcome. As always, thanks for watching.
Honorable mentions:
1. Compensators/ported barrels. Absolutely a BAD idea on a defensive gun that you could possibly end up having to use at contact distance. They are loud and you could get the blast right in your own face.
2. Red dot mounts. Yes they are an emerging technology and have their advantages but are not absolutely essential. Decent iron sights have been keeping people alive for a very long time.
3. Large magazine capacity. Another nice-to-have, but I challenge anyone to show more than one or two instances where a civilian ever got into a shootout that lasted long enough that it took 18+ rounds to finally solve the problem. Not counting people who mag-dumped on their opponent. A six-shot revolver or nine-shot 1911 will prove more than adequate 99.999% of the time.
As far as No. 3 goes, it's a point of fact that even if they're a statistical anomaly, those situations *do* exist. If you base your selection on statistics, %99 of gun owners will never draw their weapon, much less fire it. So by your own logic, why even carry a gun? The answer is you don't need it - until you do, and then you'll wish you did. And it might be the last wish you make. So, why not carry an extra few ounces of ammo? It literally won't hurt and in the absolute worst case can save your life.
@@kuuryotwo5153 I certainly don't think there is anything wrong with high capacity pistols, until their size and weight discourages regular carry. I carried one for a lot of my time on patrol, but rarely do now that I'm retired. You're right in thinking that nobody ever complained about having too much ammo in a fight. So why do I persist in carrying what are now considered lower capacity semi-auto pistols? In two words, rapid reloading. I have pistols that hold 8 or 9 rounds that fit my hand, conceal well, and that I'm used to. They have already been thoroughly tested for reliability, and have been with me for years. I've had plenty of practice reloading. A spare magazine (or even two) is much cheaper than a new gun, another break-in period. new leather. etc. So, I stick with what I have, and don't chase the "latest and greatest" because it holds a few more rounds.
All I'm saying is that for me, having a relatively rapid reload and a spare mag or two answers the question of the outlier situation where many shots are fired. I'm not overly concerned about in-gun capacity provided a gun can be reloaded quickly from behind cover. Other people may feel differently, and that is fine. Cheers.
@@kuuryotwo5153 I'm not criticizing those who want a weapon with a large capacity magazine. I'm criticizing those who criticize folks like me who feel more than adequately armed with a lower-capacity weapon as long as it checks all the other boxes. Carry whatever makes you feel the best-prepared to deal with the worst day of your life.
@Tom Crawford
Good points. I think it’s less essential to have higher capacity than it is being able to shoot better by having a pistol that actually fits your hand or easier to carry so you always have it with you.
Not everyone has large enough hands to shoot well with high cap models. I’ve seen some folks shooting improve 100% simply by going from a double-stack magazine to a single-stack model. More hits means fewer rounds needed to get the job done and fewer liabilities for missed rounds that could hit others.
As for ease of carry, in Texas summers when all I have is a T-shirt to cover my weapon, I can’t carry ANY high cap model that isn’t easily visible under my shirt much of the time but single stack mag models are flatter and usually no issue.
Having carried a handgun of one type (pistol or revolver) and manufacturer since I was 18 (I'm now 67) concealed or exposed as a legally armed Security Officer, LEO, Soldier, and now old, tired, wore out, and retired, that IF you need more than six shots to end a firefight you are pretty much screwed, dewed, and tattooed from that point on if you are not in possession of at least one extra speed loader ( I carry two spare speed loaders when carrying a revolver as my CCW) or one, preferably two, spare magazines when a semi auto pistol is your CCW of choice or agency issued duty weapon. If it takes more than five to eighteen rounds from a revolver or nine to forty-five rounds from a semi-auto pistol to end a gunfight with a bad guy.....It might be worth your time and effort to have 911 for the Police, the Army, Marines, USAF/US Navy on speed dial for backup purposes and calling in either an artillery strike, air strike, and/or Tomahawk bombardment. Yeah, things can get nasty out there when strong language and/or a baseball bat prove inadequate for the protection of yourself, family, friends, or other innocent parties.
For my purposes, handguns are strictly for self defense at short ranges. As long as I have a decent trigger pull, and a caliber I can shoot well, there is nothing else needed. Of course, we boys like our toys though.
Regarding the “tacticool” stuff. When I look at the social media posts from certain manufacturers, it’s hard to tell if they are trying to sell guns, or if they are really selling a tacticool hipster image and their guns are just accessories to go with this image.
There is probably more truth in your question than we realize.
Agreed! It is all geared towards the younger generation that grew up with gaming and such I believe. It's whoever has the most wins attitude, yet in reality has nothing to do with a well placed shot as we all know.
Totally agree with your points, most of these features are marketing hype. The "low bore axis" of the CZ pistols is an optical illusion. The fact that the slide rails are on the inside is irrelavent. It's still a hammer fired pistol. It's no lower than a 1911 or a hi-power, just look at them side by side. The CZ slide just looks lower because it's covered up by the frame.
1911 bore axis IS higher than CZ. That is fact. But CZ is certainly not low bore axis gun. Glock, Steyr, Alien are low bore axis guns. I own Sig clone, CZ75 variant, 1911 and few others so I can physically compare them. Right question should be - does it really matter? I would say no that much. I´d take tuned 1911 to my ammo and grip strength instead of stock Glock.
Great presentation (and I enjoyed the moment of humour at the end). I am in agreement with a number of your other subscribers who commented that people would be far better off investing time familiarising themselves with their chosen pistol, and spending money on training ammunition, than acquiring any any of the features discussed in this video. Thank you.
Agreed Alan. Thanks for watching!
That's a lot of sensibility, and practicality being spoken. I think I felt the heads of the "tacticool" crowd exploding.
Straight up didn't even realize my 92X had that raised rear sight.
Tried racking the slide on my shoe and table, thanks for teaching me something!
You’re welcome Virgil. Thanks for watching!
#1 most overrated gun feature was worth the wait, having your subscribers introduce the levels of useless features might have been a nice touch but harder to produce. Love your effort and content!
It would have been fun. I would like to do an American Idol type series at some point where viewers decide the outcome based on a vote, but I haven’t quite figured out how to do it yet.
@@oldman2378 Thanks for the sub and welcome aboard!
Excellent video! I spent a lot of time researching the same stuff and agree. I bought a 1911 with a full length guide rod and hated it. I replaced the rod with a traditional style and it felt so much better. With a 1911, a one handed charge can be done on the guide plug. It was designed that way when riding on horseback using the horn of the saddle. Browning knew what he was doing.
& JMB also designed the 1911 so that if that recoil spring plug was lost, a fired .45 ACP cartridge could replace it...just as the convex grip screws allowed the rim of a .45 ACP cartridge to be used as a screwdriver to remove them
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My top 10 overrated items:
1) Red dot
2) WML (light)
3) Rail
4) Night Sights
5) Fiber Optic Sights
6) Threaded Barrel
7) Suppressor
8) Suppressor Height Sights
9) Extended Mags
10) Trigger Job
Amen to all of that!
I think Night Sights ( TFO ) Trit / Fiber are the best sights I ever used . As an OG in the dark with no glasses on I can see them as good as in the day light . Black sights with Glasses on , can't see $#!T ... Point Shooting if no light .
BTW they do make Night Sights for K , L & N frame work great & easy to add if your front sight blade can be swapped out .
@@danoneill2846 "As an OG in the dark with no glasses on I can see them as good as in the day light . "
How the heck are you identifying your target in the dark if you can't see it?
@@papimaximus95 My house is not like inside a bank vault , but even with LOW light , I can't see any sights that are on a black gun or SS gun . My family members don't kick the door in . The dog knows who the bad guys are . I also don't have any gang member over to my house , if they show up they are not welcome . Get REAL dude !! The POINT IS Night Sights are 100% useful & worth the $$ .
Thank you. I am now looking for a handgun that incorporates all ten features!
I would expect nothing less.
Awesome!
You make some valid observations. I personally like a threaded barrel. Gives me a little extra barrel length, and a compensator can be used. It boils down to what we find to be useful, or practical. An internally ported barrel with relief cuts in the slide seem practical, but they sure do dirty up a gun in a hurry... I just figured that out with the 9 plus, at least it's a good shooter.
Nice video. Refreshing to see one about "don't have to have", instead of "you must have this or else..."
Thanks, and Semper Fi!
Great video. Thanks for bringing some common sense to self defense videos. I went back to carrying an old S&W revolver like I started with. Simple, reliable and accurate. I don't need anything else on a handgun.
You’re welcome. Those old wheelguns are still great defensive options!
as a disabled person, born with Spina bifida, recently purchased my first hand gun, the fist suggestion given to me was the S&W EZ 380, funny enough the same arthritis that makes it hard to rack a slide also made it hard to dis-engage the grip safety.
I then tried a Glock 42....and 100% agree they are over rated, 50 rounds, 8 round mag at a time, I could not get a whole mag through it without a malfunction,
after a few more guns, I settled on a Walther PDP Compact, which somewhat ironically has like 7 of the things on this list. why I settled on it? because it is designed as a duty pistol, including an officer wearing gloves, the mags Eject out, the trigger is a dream, as far as the slide, in addition to a lighter spring, the super-terrain serrations make gripping easier for a weaker hand, and Finally those sights being Glock compatible means I have switched them for surpressor sights, because while I did my short-list shopping I racked a gun that came with an optic From the factory and that made all the difference in the world.
so suppressor sight will give me more ability to rack and cost savings of an optic on an already pricey gun.
last note, bottom Pick Rail- sure people dealt with seperate flashlights for years, decades even, but that also means carrying a seperate peice of gear, why not have one attached and deal with just one peice of gear ?
I’m glad you found a pistol that works for you. As I mentioned in the video, if someone has a need or desire for some of these features, by all means they should get them. I just think they are overrated for the majority of defensive shooters.
I really do appreciate the rail on a home defense handgun. Having that mounted light at night is a great convenience.
1911 flat or arched mainspring housing. Possibly the first interchangeable back strap. All of my 1911s got an arched MSH and a long trigger to feel right in my hand.
Short reset triggers. Try telling Jerry Miculek or Ed McGivern you can't shoot fast with a long reset.
Good point.
Lol I died when shown number 1, I have a g19 and hardly carry it because it’s still a boat anchor compared to my colt detective special I got from grandpa few years back he was the chief of police in our town back in the old days. I Still carry it every where.
One of your best videos. Really glad you addressed trigger reset. Most individuals that are involved in a defensive firearm incident may not even realize how many times they pulled the trigger let alone where the reset is. The amount of focus trigger reset currently receives is IMHO a bit absurd. If a person doesn't train (regardless of what gun is used) all a quick reset will accomplish is helping to miss quicker. Blessings
Agreed Woodrow. Thanks!
Thank you for your common sense. My S & W revolvers and Colt 1911's have had few of these if any expensive, unnecessary extras. Honestly, why does a normal gun loving, bell ringing range shooter need a $310 red dot sight on a pistol. Also, why are very expensive extras used for big game handgun hunting necessary for a sub-compact 9mm ? This is indicative of the " pile everything on the gun possible " mindset. Too bad these same individuals cannot put the same effort in to perfecting shot placement
Thanks for watching Chris!
Red dot optics have allowed me to totally raise my level and effectiveness at aiming from short and long range immensely. I also have a much easier time with any kind of sight picture adjustment, especially with becoming way more efficient with both eyes open, allowing me to have much better field of view. It's also greatly helped me with repeated shot alignment, especially from the holster. I too once believed that optics such as that on a pistol were for the weekend range shooters and had no place in defensive scenerios and never imagined I would replace my carry and home defense options with options allowing for an optic.... Not until I purchased a pistol as a "weekend fun gun" with red dot optic.... I was absolutely shocked at what I had been missing out on and has allowed me to drop some other bias driven opinions, giving me a more open mind.
For the NUMBER 1 on your list…NO explanation necessary. I love the way you represent the number 1. 👍🏼
Interesting and entertaining presentation. You are one of the very few firearms TH-camrs that I can listen to without my blood pressure getting out of control. After many decades, I am still having a hard time finding a handgun that I shoot better and like more than the stock, with orange painted front sight, FN HP, also known as Browning HP. Glock 23 with fiber optic sights is second best. I hate the look but Glocks in general, work well for me.
Good! I hope they both continue to work well for you. You’ll have to forgive me if I favor the Hi Power. Thanks for watching!
Awesome! My feelings exactly!! My first handgun was a colt python. What a trigger! Wouldn’t trade that for any semi made now.
I think that there was a large portion of us, that bought into many of these features.
My most recent firearm purchase was a Kahr with that "dreadfully long trigger reset" that they are known for. I think that I'll be just fine with it. If I'm not, then I don't think other features will make the definitive difference in my day. lol
Lance corporal , the perfect carry gun is Col. Rex Applegate's, S&W 1917, Fitz special .45 ACP. 😆 My EDC is a Ruger LCR in .357 MAG. We've got bears around here!
Great list. Some features that I would like to see go away for are finger groove grips and rubbery grips. Neither of those work for me, and having to replace them is a costly PITA.
And which just the opposite can be said for many other people!
Good presentation, we've become so focused on all the bells and whistles that we forget the number 1 function of a CCW Pistol is to stop the threat.
Great job HR! It is very expensive to be "tacticooly!"
I know Right?!
Another dubious trend: making pistols ever lighter and thus, less accurate. For decades, heavier pistols and revolvers were the norm and shot accurately because of their stabilizing, heavier weights.
There were several features that would have made it into a top 15 list. Extreme light-weight is one of them.
@@hrfunk I am a much better shot with a standard-weight 1911 than with a polymer pistol!
A few thoughts here:
As far as finish is concerned a preference of mine is either a DLC or black nitride finish. Corrosion resistance is quite important in a carry gun for me.
Threaded barrels are definitely overrated.
Bore axis is the biggest one that's overrated for me. I shoot Sigs faster and more accurately than M&Ps or Glocks.
Also, as far as trigger reset is concerned, quick pistol shooting in part lies in resting the trigger when recoiling, so reset distance doesn't matter as much as people think.
Joshua Bracke I agree with all your points especially overrated bore axis. We are going to have recoil no matter what axis high or low so we best learn how to deal with it by proper gun handling instead of looking for a nonexistent pistol design that will magically make it go away. Triggers and sights under stress and for short CCW pistol distances are not as important as they are for longer range shooting. You don't need great sights and trigger to hit a man size target at seven to fifteen yards but you do for one at 25 to 30 yards. You don't even need to aim. You just need to be able to point the pistol at the target and pull the trigger without moving the pistol off target. Fire control. As far as the gun finish is concerned for me, flashy finishes I am not so much worried about giving away my position by reflecting light nearly as much as light glare reflecting back in my face while looking at the sights and trying to acquire the target. So I don't like flashy finishes for an entirely different reason that is "very" critical to me. I don't want glare in my face when I don't have to have it. Features are not nearly as important as practice and training but with practice and training we learn what features are important to us as individuals to be able to hit the mark.
Completely agree
Right on once again! I've had the same thoughts after using and teaching firearms for defense in law enforcement for 35 years. All of what you mentioned are "features" promoted by pretenders and/or shills who make money helping the industry sell new product.
Front slide serrations are an accident waiting to happen for most handgun users, and they also interfere with a smooth draw and re-holster. Full-length recoil spring guide has no proven function other than to make the 1911 harder to disassemble. Threaded muzzle is another useless thing to go wrong when the thread protector loosens up. Inverted slide rails leave hardly any slide exposed for manipulation - which is much more important than some fractional decrease in muzzle lift. Accessory rail on a concealed carry gun for close range self-defense - more bulk and ridiculousness. While interchangeable grips etc is perhaps useful on the margin, however if you are an individual you pick the firearm that fits your hand, practice with it, and be done with the fiddling. Tactical ledge rear sight - an unnecessary solution to a 0.00003% problem. Trigger reset arguments - target shooter issues which make no difference in self-defense.
PS. Love that nickel-finish S&W Model 39-2, I have the same one!
This was a GREAT - and a very enjoyable - video Howard, thank you.
FWIW, I’ll offer five comments:
1. At the video’s beginning you mentioned three attributes that are critical to prevail in a defensive encounter. I’d suggest a fourth: Situational Awareness. The very best gunfight is one in which the lawful citizen is not completed to participate. Therefore, the experience, judgement and common sense to leave - or never to enter, if that’s possible - a probably hostile environment just might be as important as skill, determination and good fortune.
2. We all know that many potential armed encounters are terminated by the mere appearance of a firearm (psychological stops). Therefore, I do not entirely agree with the concept of very subdued external handgun appearance. Sure, if a lawful citizen has gotten to the point where a two way exchange of fire is imminent, then “flat black” may be an EXTREMELY minor advantage. However, wouldn’t it be preferable if the predatory felon recognized that the citizen wasn’t a “helpless lamb,” and instantaneously wanted no part of the situation?
3. IMHO, very short trigger resents - combined with ultra-high ammunition capacity - often may lead to a “spay and pray” defensive proclivity (for many casual shooters), which I despise and which we all know is potentially very dangerous to innocents. One of the reasons I like traditional DA/SA revolvers is they may required an additional second or so before a follow up shot is fired. In that near-always time-fraction, a better sight picture and a more precise shot may be possible. I’d emphasize Teddy Roosevelt’s famous -and entirely accurate - dictum: “In battle, the only shots that count are those that hit.”
4. FWIW, I would have considered adding “ultra-high capacity” to your list. Of course, there are circumstances where this is an very worthwhile feature - a county sheriff, at 0300, patrolling an area the size of Rhode Island, with no help readily available OR a LCpl defending himself and his team with a sidearm - but for most of us, I fear this only potentially enables ‘too many rounds fired, with too few hits.”
5. Finally, many of these “bells and whistles” aren’t axiomatically bad - my exception to this is ANYTHING that leads to or facilitates “spraying and praying” - but neither are they especially beneficial . . . and generally they’re certainly not required. When I left my bedroom and walked downstairs to the coffee maker at 0530 today, my 2.25 inch barrel, .357 magnum, Ruger SP101 accompanied me (and that’s a nearly daily occurrence). Fundamentally, that revolver hardly differs from Colt and Smith designs manufactured over a century ago. Okay, I live in an area where horrendous and violent crimes (I’m thinking of multiple armed home invaders, murders, kidnappings, etc.) are essentially unheard of, BUT I don’t feel at all inadequately armed with that archaic, five shot, Ruger . . . AND a Sig M17 or a M16A2 (both outstanding firearms) wouldn’t provide any more realistic protection (for MY normal circumstances).
I agree completely with #4.
Thanks Roy! Just FYI, I agree completely with #1. My comments in the video were realted to circumstances where the fight was unavoidable. #2 is interesting to consider. Certainly a more conspicuous, if not more menacing appearance might cause a less committed criminal to contemplate an instantaneous career change. #3, as you know, is entirely dependent upon training. It's also an argument, in various forms, that has been used in both law enforcement and the miliatry for avoiding a change to firearms that potentially allowed the undisciplined spray of bullets. At this juncture, the ship may have sailed and all we can do is preach training, awareness, and if possible, avoidance (did that bring us back to #1?). #4 is similar to #3, and again I don't see us turning back that tide (although many persons in government would be all for it). #5. I would feel perfectly safe if I was having coffee with you in your home.
Thanks for a great comment!
Well said! I've never warmed up to full length guide rods, either. The fact that I'm a sucker for an old school press check is purely coincidental...
Glock a, Glock b, Glock c . . . .
(Okay, this is posted ONLY for feeble humorous purposes).
HR this is great information and I would add two things.Flash light on rail is a direct violation of safety rule #2. As far as trigger reset fast is fine accuracy is final.
As always, logical, practical, factual...and useful. Thanks!
You’re welcome Paul. Thanks for watching!
On bore axis, I will say that between my Ruger p90 and my SIG p220....versus my Glock 21. I noticed a pretty significant difference between the recoil. I can get rounds off quicker and more accurate with the 21 because of that.
Great video though.
I really appreciated your video sir! I'm really into super basic, no frills kind of concealed carrier. I generally carry a Glock or Smith auto, and occasionally a .38 snub. I prefer standard factory sights, no optics, and my only aftermarket add-on I may install is a Hogue wrap-around grip. I'm with you on the flashlight mounts. I left law enforcement before the light rails were the rage. Lights, to me, take away the natural balance of the pistol. I leave my guns in original factory condition and design because they're engineered to function well as they are. I see folks tweeking their guns, and they can really mess up basic reliability.
Yes they can. Thanks for watching Marcus!
Awesome video! Trigger reset would be my number one most over hyped firearm feature. Also, the whole, "tacticool" training mindset that you have to train AND equip yourself to defend against the inevitable attack on your home by a squad of spetznaz and 3 ninjas otherwise you might as well throw in the towel and surrender. I have nothing against getting as much training as you can/want, but some of the SAS wannabes who think you need a full combat loadout for basic self or home defense are ridiculous.
My next biggest overhype gripe involves Glock pistols. And it's the mindset that it is totally useless out of the box and you HAVE to replace everything on it for it to work. Out of the box, the Glock works just fine as a service pistol, which it is what it was designed for. Are there better sights? Yes. Are there better triggers? Depends on your intended use. But what comes on it works well. IF you practice. The funny thing is, most of the shooters who poo poo the Glock also have AR's that have every accessory and modification they can find so it is, tacticool. There's an idea for your next video; Over rated AR features.
That would probably take a top 50 list. Thanks for watching!
I love all of your videos but this one in particular is my favorite. You approach the subject like I do with guitars. In the guitar world I see a lot of topics on strings or finish type and even weight and neck dive . I just play the dang thing, if it plays good and sounds good im good. I don't care if it's got a special finish or bone nuts etc.
Finally some shows a revolver with a single action trigger pull! My 686 never failed me 👍
Neither has mine. Thanks for watching!
To me, one that was not mentioned, is the over blown emphasis of magazine capacity. Double stack vs. single stack, in defensive carry . The notion that if you carry 7 or 8 round semiautomatic, you are at a disadvantage.Not true at all. Well most gunfights in defensive encounters, is an average of 4 or 5 rounds fired total. Sure, a large capacity magazine of say 15 or 17 rounds, is a good thing, but on average you are also well served with a single stack of 7 or 8 rounds. Some will say carrying a 1911 with 7 or 8 rounds is nuts. Well, John Wick, I am not. I do carry 1 or 2 extra single stack magazines on me, and practice reloading. Double stack, or single stack, is fine. I also think red dot sights are overly emphasized in defensive carry. Average distance of a gunfight is at very close quarters. 3 to 5 yards. At that distance, you will have a very difficult time getting your red dot sights to eye level, before you fire, anyway. I do believe red dots are good for distances over 7 yards, where you should have time to bring your red dot sight, to eye level. They are great for competition shooting too.
Better to end the fight with the first two rounds than with the last of 17
Well said. I remember when the advantage to the automatic was the fact that you can get fast reloads, faster than the revolver, and that that was the magic in of itself. The reloading of autos is a dying philosophy with the high cap mag bit being with us for years and years now.
Ralph Hernandez *
I agree that the double stack magazine is way out of proportion for a concealed carry. I entered ROTC in high school and continued my knowledge with firearms running my own business in gun sales. I am 70 years old, There was only one time that I had to draw my 380 Beretta for selfdefense.three shots rang out and the confrontation was over. It’s a terrible thing to have to shoot knowing you are going to kill Your opposition but I have never Heard of a person trained in firearms that had to shoot an entire clip to end any confrontation against his life.
I agree with the front slide serrations except for the Beretta 92 and other designs with a slide-mounted safety; in that situation, I find it is sometimes easier to rack the slide (and less likely to accidentally engage or disengage the safety) if you use the front of the slide. And unfortunately a lot of 92s and clones lack front slide serrations. I, however, appreciate having them on my Girsan Regard MC Gen 4 Sport.
Full length guide rods did, in fact, improve accuracy when added to "military tolerances" pistols. As with many things, when it finally becomes popular, the reasons for doing something are forgotten. Note I said "military tolerances". A well made pistol with good tolerances doesn't really benefit in accuracy. The other reason for the full length guide rods is that RARELY the spring would "kink" and become less reliable. Personally, it seemed to me that the occasional kinked spring was when hot loads were regularly used. Don't have any facts or examples, but that was always my impression when I saw a kinked recoil spring. Since a lot of people use "+P" ammo, that might be a reason for getting or keeping a full length guide rod.
Re: trigger reset - McGivern set all those speed firing records with a DA revolver. When asked about this, his response was "a semiautomatic doesn't cycle fast enough." In other words he had to wait on the slide to get back in battery. Trigger reset time was meaningless to him because he could cycle the trigger faster than the slide would work.
Thanks for the info on guide rods. From what you wrote, I take it the you agree, in well made modern pistols, they are overrated. Thanks for watching!
I am old school but this old dog can be taught new tricks , something I've done for over 45 years is keep it simple. not clutter my weapons with unnecessary junk ,I see all the time on you tube weapons with who knows what nearly from one end to the outher, to much to come loose and continuely checking on , in most close quarter combat training practicing I don't need no sights , a good percent of my practice ally years has been instinct shooting which is easy to learn,, fact is you may not have time to use sights ,at 10 yards I can easily eat up 5_6inch circle with. pistols/ revolvers , that is being disabled with health issues , unsteady , troubles with hands and outher things,but not helpless ,have trouble cycling some of my semi auto pistols but no problems with my revolvers, I greatly enjoyed the video, just a old marksman/ rifleman retraining my self to what works best for me now.i found your sight and like it because you got good sense , nanna and papa wishing you well
Thank you so much Johnny! I’m glad you can still use those handguns to keep yourself safe. Thanks for watching!
There's a good chance I'm wrong, but I would bet that a lot of those "short reset" people have either never shot a good double action revolver or have near zero experience with one. The only semi-autos I've shot with triggers I would consider to be anywhere near comparable in feel are DA/SA triggers made by Beretta. One would be the 92A1 and another would be the 21A Bobcat. This is not to be confused with simply light triggers like the Sig P365 has which is an ND just begging to happen. As far as matte black finishes go, my M&P340 came that way. When I changed out the grips, I kept to a black look just to keep it all black. It's for deep concealed carry, so no one is going to be admiring it. And there is the added benefit that I don't have to go all OCD getting the carbon from firing off of it. That's just me of course. My 66-8 and 629 3" pre-lock are steel finishes, the 629 being near mirror finish, I do like to have looking their best. They are more of an open carry and so they have to look good! LOL.
ETA: My Walther PPK/S I would consider to be a really good trigger if the trigger shoe wasn't serrated. I don't know what they were thinking when they did that. It's like a cheese grater in DA. SA is pretty good.
Very well put. I shoot a DAO Smith and Wesson model 64 as my main shooter. I bought a Walther P22CA to get into semi automatics. I have never been comfortable with any semi automatic and preferred my old school revolver.
I'm now shooting several of my son's 9mm and my wife's Smith and Wesson SD9 VE is becoming a favorite.
I like a slightly heavier trigger. I'm a working guitarist and bassist so my fingers are stronger than average. A heavier trigger to some is too light for me.
My son says most 38 special revolvers have my name written all over them.
Just like a guitar if it's comfortable in the hand you have 90% of it down.
To me comfort and shot placement are the most important.
Find a comfortable one and practice until shot placement is good
Well said Marty.
@@martyneff4008 Oddly enough, I run #8 strings on my PRS-SE (the standard for PRS is #9). I actually do have weak fingers. And you DON'T want to hear me try and play guitar! LOL. It's one of those things.
I will say I am a big fan of the J-Frames. There are so many to choose from! You don't have to make a life style change to carry one. Just a bit of practice with the right load and you're good to go.
Easier than guitar!
@@Fudmottin I used 10-46 and 13-56 on my Surf Guitars. After my heart attack and meds softening up my hands I run 9-42 on all my guitars and 45-100 on my basses. I'm a lefty but was taught to play right handed. So my left is my fingering hand. I shoot left handed
@@martyneff4008 I think Brian May is one of those guys who runs 10-46 because he is good at breaking strings. I'm in no position to argue with his choice! It would be nice to have one of his guitars. His Phd thesis on Zodiacal Light has also been important for the search for exoplanets. Talk about talent!
Thoughts: Weapon mounted lights don’t mean that you don’t need a handheld flashlight. I sweat on guns, so finish is a consideration. Practice is more important than interchangeable back straps. Night sights are overrated; you need some light available to identify targets. The word tactical is abused to the point that most couldn’t properly define the word. I don’t like weak trigger resets. Revolvers are easier to live with - can look to see if loaded - don’t beat that expensive carry ammo to death loading and unloading. I like to blackout the rear sight on a lot of my pistols; the white dot or orange painted ramp up front is just fine. I’m sure my comments make the world a better place. :)
They most certainly do. Thanks for watching!
HR, all Beretta 92s are stuck with the full length guide rod, of course. It's mostly just the 1911 design and problematic field stripping that's the problem with this platform. About the only thing a gunsmith friend of mine told me ages ago is that an FLGR is good for "3-5%" spring efficiency over time. Not a big deal if one is consistently swapping out springs. Good video, sir.
Thank you!
Guess I’m old school, but agree with this list.
I’ve been issued or have owned pistols that I carried or currently carry daily that either had none or nearly all of of these features. I’ve found no value in any of them except an accessory rail.
Being able to mount a weapon light is useful, but really are only on a full size pistol not intended to be concealed. On a CCW it’s just adding bulk making it harder to conceal and with some carry methods less comfortable to wear. Even on a full size pistol I still prefer to use a separate light for most situations as I don’t like having to point my weapon everywhere I might need to point a light.
Despite the huge variety of new features and accessories available now vs years ago, I still find the only thing usually needed to make a pistol perform better for me in any way is better grips. This is regardless of whether or not the pistol had changeable back-straps, which never seem to be better than the standard size. I put Hogues or grip tape on everything and it makes a big difference in my accuracy and recoil control.
I get a lot more improvement in performance spending money on ammo and training than on new gear, extra features, and accessories. The rest is usually doing little other than making more money for the guys selling us this stuff.
Thanks for another great common sense video!
You're welcome Bryan. Thanks for watching!
Great video, really interesting. I’m a big fan of revolvers so I really appreciate when you bring them into the discussion. Take care and keep up the good work.
Thanks Jim. Will do!
Hello HR and all the good folks here! Harold, good info, common sense and real world experience!
Thank you!
With regard to the joke about the Glock at the end of the video: any handgun with a significant fan base is going to be overrated.
Another great video on a topic rarely being discussed these days. Thank you Mr Funk for such a good common sense video. Although I have a mounted light on my handgun and I like it, it isn't very safe to be pointing a firearm around in all directions to light up the area, better to have a small handheld light for that purpose, there is no reason to point a firearm at anything you don't potentially intended to shoot.
Great video. I glad you did not mention fuzzy dice. Which means I don't have take them off my gun. I would not be able to hit anything without them. Thank you for the great work.
You’re welcome. Fuzzy or the dancing hula girl are essential!
Very well thought out and inclusive list and concur. My recollection with lights was sometimes having the flexibility of holding the light away from your body might be the best approach to avoid being the target. Once again the 3 things you talked about which from my perspective includes the weapons you shoot best and most accurate, meets the intended purpose, and you are trained and maintain proficiency is what matters most. As far as an overall collection beyond CCW for most of us consisting of a shotgun, a hunting rifle, a 4 inch revolver (.357 mag preferred), a 1911, any reliable 9mm from model 59 to Glock, a .22LR plinker, and probably a semi-auto like an AR checks all the boxes for defense, hunting, and overall survival. Thanks much Mr. HR Funk.
You’re welcome, and I wholeheartedly agree with your recommendations!
I absolutely agree with you on trigger reset. When we qualified, we did a round with just trigger reset. If I threw a round that was when I did it. It took me out of my rhythm.
The feature I need is small so I use an Air Weight 38 or a 1910 Browning in 32 acp. Both low capacity but I hope I don't get into a long engagement.
Aha ha ha!
Trolling, with class 👍
I love it.
I've been catching fish on the same Zebco 33 combo for over 40 years.
No adjustments required.
Get something that works and learn how to use it well, and you'll be all set.
I agree!
Great review and topic. I have been wondering many of these very issues for decades. I agree with every one of your selections. We've gotten away from the basic fundamentals and seek quick fixes to improve our pistol techniques.
Thanks for raising these points. That LOWER BORE AXIS is the most exaggerated one on here. I learned in 1911's, transitioned to M9 9mm and now carry Glock 30S .45 acp. All three recoil, flip the barrel and have been mastered just fine for EDC. The one weapon I notice this muzzle flip in was when I tried a smaller 1911 style ( Detonics .45acp) . That thing almost jump out of my hand.
Thanks
Semper Fi
Semper Fi!
Apparently I need to make a lot of modifications to my S&W 1917 in order for it to work for defense. I'm glad someone knows what's important and what's not. Great video.
Thanks Scott!
Logical and well thought out. Also thanks for making me remember what an idiot I was in 1992 for trading off my Model 66 for a 686. The L frame is a fine revolver but that K frame was quite literally the most accurate pistol I have ever shot.
Thanks! Too bad that M66 got away. I hope you at least still have the 686.
Thanks! Too bad that M66 got away. I hope you at least still have the 686.
HRFunk, the big advantage to the full length guide rod in a 1911 is that it makes the gun easier to get back together for those who are inexperienced with reassembling 1911's. With the number of new gun owners in the last few years here, I think it's a welcome quality of life feature to add to the design since I havn't seen it cause any issues so far.
I suppose it's as much personal; preference as anything else, but I don't see how the FLGR makes the pistol any easier to reassemble. If anything, I think they make disassembly/reassembly more complex.
My CCW is a Ruger EC9s that has a Crimson Trace laser red dot attached to it and it can be found in my pocket as soon as I put on my pants: it's there when I'm cooking breakfast. I have a 9 shot spare magazine that fits in a knife case on my belt for when I leave the house.
The reason I chose it is for a pocket carry. Appendix holsters may be all and good, but on a hot day when I want to go biking around town and trail, I always have it in my pocket whereas I might decide to leave an 1911 at home and take a smaller gun I'm not used to like a Ruger LCP .380 and then be under-armed.
I've been quite happy with this gun and I have only once had a person notice it in my pocket and that's because it was a young black man who thought I was an undercover cop! lol
I go everywhere with it: Grocery Stores, Gas Stations, Doctors Offices, Hospitals. Almost nobody notices it and for CONCEALED carry, I think that's the primary concern. I'd rather be practiced with a .32 like 007 and have people be unaware I'm armed than be toting Harry Callahan's S&W model 29 in a shoulder holster under a suit coat, because the only people who didn't see he had a cannon under his left armpit were the bad guys in those movies.
You do of course realize that 2937 Tacticool Operators just died from fits of apoplexy.
Keep 'em coming H.R.
May they Rest In Peace.
HR, I love your cutting through the B.S. with a smile and thought-provoking info. It's ALWAYS a treat to watch your videos. Thanks.
You're welcome Bill. Thanks for watching!
Another fine example of this being the thinking man's firearms channel. Interesting topic and right on point.
Thanks Stan!
Couldn’t agree more. I recall training on the M1911 and M9 before all these tacticool features became mandatory to be “innovative” and did just fine. Sure, some of the features are nice to have, but certainly not necessary for successful defense. For me, I find simpler is better. Thanks for another great video, HR!
You’re welcome Gene. Thanks for watching.
I watched this one through again. Still solid commentary. It is amazing the things that become the tactical mantras. I had a well meaning guy comment one time on a comparison I did between a Glock Gen 3 and the M&P 1.0 how he couldn't shoot as well as I did, but I was "slapping" the trigger because I let the trigger go all the way back instead of shooting to the reset.
There are so many things being preached from the pulpit of tacticool doctrine that it’s becoming difficult for some shooters to keep track of the original goal. If someone (like yourself) is putting accurate shots on target within acceptable time parameters, everything else is academic.
That's why we put Quad rails on the front of our AR platform rifles. We like to pile tons of cheap lasers, dots, irons, glass, bottle openers, sling points, risers and other such on there.
You forgot the cup holder!
When you showed the Glock for the number one, then said "I'm kidding--kind of", I laughed out loud.
Thanks for the information. You make a very logical and persuasive argument. I find that I must agree with your conclusions. Great video.
Thanks Keith!
Trigger reset can be important in terms of a shorter reset preventing your finger from having to come out further, thus reducing the tendency to jerk the pistol to the left on follow-up shots. I really liked the video, and enjoy your content!
Thanks Ken. Keep in mind that I didn’t say these things make no difference at all. I just said they’re overrated.
I'm a retired Police Officer and our dog handler was really the only one who had a flashlight on his pistol because he didn't have enough hands to handle the dog, the pistol and a flashlight. I never had one on my pistol but if I was a dog handler I would want one. Also you are correct on trigger reset, makes no sense to me. In a gun fight you are firing your pistol or rifle without giving any thought to trigger reset. Every time I hear someone talk about it I tell them "while you are doing your reset thing I have already shot you 5 times. I don't get this reset thing at all. I am a long range shooter for 30yrs and have my own 800yd range and I can't remember ever using trigger reset. In a real gun fight you will have both eyes open no matter how hard you try and you will be firing off rounds without waiting for the so called reset. Great video and great common sense.
I’m not convinced, under stress, even the most highly trained person “shoots to reset.” Regard of the dog handler, as I mentioned in the video, if one has a need for some of those features then they should select a pistol that has them. As you said, most people don’t really have that need. Thanks for watching!
@@hrfunk You are correct and I like the common sense and knowledge you give to shooters who may not have a lot of experience. You help guide them so as to not waste there money on what I call gadgets. Us old school guys use the KISS method.
Glad I stumbled on to your channel. Practical advice presented without hype.
A lot of it depends on what the shooter (purchaser) is looking for. The nice thing is there are hundreds of different guns out there for us to choose from now. The most important things to have is training and practice. All the accessories / help in the world won't matter if you can't operate under high stress
I love how he got to number one and said "I'm kidding... Kind of". 🤣
I agree on light rails. My duty pistol has a light on it but I’m still concerned about how some officers search danger areas with the weapon lights. In my mind that’s a problem waiting to happen.
It certainly could be. We’ve already seen a few situations where bad things happened when officers were startled.
Just finished college and training for LEO and can assure you we are still taught the "old" methods with flashlights, in addition to manipulation and usage of weapon-mounted lights for immediate shooting in low light conditions. We also still trained to shoot with the Harries, FBI/Modified FBI among others.
That being said, I don't know any LEOs today that don't use a WML, but I think for CCW it's less needed.
I’m glad to know that, and I agree. Thanks for the comment and hood luck.
When I was taking a class to get a pistol permit, the instructor was a retired Coast Guard officer. He carried a Glock 21. He told us that the finish on Glocks was so good that soldiers could sharpen bayonets on the slide in the field, lol.
That might have been a slight exaggeration.
"Tactile and audible reset" is the stupidest thing ever but it's so overblown. You are never going to hear or feel the reset of your trigger in a defensive use of a firearm.
I don’t think so either.
One of the best videos I’ve watched lately!! You left out one of my pet peeves that everyone pushes are must have rmr optics on a handgun.. you aren’t a real shooter without some sort of red dot .. smh 🙄
I’m dying here 😂😂😂😂😂I just bought a Glock 48 and got home to this video!! 😂Love it Marine
After special colors, finishes, and other purely aesthetic aspects, the most overrated aspect of a handgun is a super slick trigger. In the heat of a moment, that special trigger is probably more likely to cause an ND than to improve your accuracy. The most important characteristics of a defensive handgun are the decision-making skills and operating skills of the wielder.
Agreed!
Very sensible very well put. People go into the gun store sometimes and don't appreciate the idea of a minimalist older style firearm still as a viable self defense or hunting tool. before these bells and whistles people would innovate you'll still find surprisingly modern equivalents in vintage guns the world of shooting has been improved by being able to find a handgun that really fits you out of box it's a wonderful starting point I agree today many invest their trust in features as a make or break they invest their faith in a handgun that looks mean none of those features is a substitute for range time and dry fire drills practicing draw there are merits to an uncluttered simplistic design especially when adrenaline and stress begin to impact coordination. A gun without many of these features in good hands is going to be effective today as it was then I have two pistols with a rail section one wears a light as an HD nightstand gun I'm probably going to place one on the other as the weight out front might be helpful for the subcompact balance the unclean edges of a vacant rail for some reason bother me. looks are irrelevant if you ever have to use it folks nobody is going to say "wow that's a pretty cool looking gun" you either walk away with a gun that worked in the moment or are carried away.
The front slide is the least of my issues.just have one in the chamber ,or u can also just put some type of grip tape on the front portion if u really like that relod, personally I'm comfy with my EDC to just slide release when I recharge.
Great list to keep whats really important.