New Mexico Unit 52 is the worst for non-residents. The elk that are in this unit are far and few in between and small bulls are the norm. This unit gets flooded with resident hunters and is known to have camp thieves.
I hunted 52 last year muzzleloader with RB Outfitters. Heard several bulls opening morning, saw one. Next morning heard 6 or 7 bulls, shot the first one I saw at 125 yds. The guides were locals, all hunters saw elk. Not a trophy unit, but a great unit to hunt.
I had Gas stolen from my cans while parked on the highway in this general area. Tried to get into my camper as well. I can't believe that people would be so desperate. Basically in no mans land so I guess they figured they will never get caught or seen. headed back up in few weeks for Oct 24 rifle. to give it another go. Did get a nice 5x5 on my trip last time.
@@whitehunter6492 5x5 Awesome, one year we stopped for lunch on the way up there in a place called Ojo Caliente and had cases of beverages stolen out of the bed of one of our pickups while we were eating inside the restaurant. We continue to hunt this unit because of our success rate, we are just more wise now on how to go about things. If you go all the way up FR 93 to the end where it’s posted and hunt that Canada Tio Grande Canyon I guarantee you will see Bull Elk. Good luck.
Yes, that would mean there are not enough total tags in the unit to allow for an unguided non-resident to get a tag (any hunt with less than 13 total tags) So make sure you don't apply in these units as an unguided non-resident! Just make sure that if this banner pops up you click on "modify my application" and choose a different hunt. Do not click "checkout"
Please clarify, by EXAMPLE; based on the 6% DIY allotment, in one of my units the total is 12 tags available to DIY. So since below 13 DIY/6% tags, I am drawing DEAD for this unit? From the NMDFG hunting regulations: Nonresident and Outfitted Applicants Please Note: It is extremely unlikely for an outfitted applicant to draw a hunt code with six or fewer licenses or for a nonresident to draw a hunt code with twelve or fewer licenses. Residents planning to apply with one or more nonresidents should also be aware of this when applying.
I think you are asking if there are 12 total tags are there enough tags for 1 tag to drawn by an unguided NR. The answer to that would be no, you must have at least 13 total tags in the hunt. If you are talking about a hunt that has enough tags for 12 NR unguided tags to be issued there would need to be 200 total tags for that hunt. If you are applying for a hunt that has 200 total tags, you will not be drawing dead, there will be 12 tags available for non-resident unguided hunters to draw. Please let us know if this makes sense! It's a tricky topic with specific vocabulary.
Can a nonresident apply in a group of 2-3 residents? Is there a list of how many nonresidents applied in the previous years for a specific hunt or unit
If the total tag allocation allowed for 1-2 NR tags then they would indeed have a chance to be drawn by a NR. The problem is that NM has a total tag number for each hunt and then allocates those tags according to the 84/10/6 percent breakdown. If there were 1-2 tags total for the hunt then both of those tags would go to residents. Residents are guaranteed their 84% and as long as there is enough tags leftover to allow for a tag to be issued and not bring the the resident % below the 84% threshold they will issue that tag to the outfitter draw and/or NR unguided draw. For instance there must be at least 25 total tags for there to be at least 2 tags available in the NR unguided draw. There has to be at least 19 total tags in order for there to be at least 2 tags available in the outfitter draw. If there is 13 total tags for a given hunt then 11 would go to the resident draw, 1 would be available in the outfitter draw, and 1 would be available in the NR unguided draw.
You are right on with all of this, but incorrect on saying NM doesn’t care and let’s you put in if there are not enough tags. The exception: A RED banner will notify you saying you are not going to draw-if there are fewer tags to allow for a non-resident. Sadly, It does not explain why they warrant the break down of a minimum of 13 tags. For example, Antelope has 10 tags in most units which forces a non resident to go to landowners and get permission as there are not enough tags to draw as non-resident.
As a newbie hunter, this all sounds insane and seems way too complicated a system to understand and manage. Really, it just makes me zone out and look at spending my time doing something else other than hunting.
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You don't know how NM tags work at all! You cant even apply for 3 tags when there are only 2 available, automatically disqualifies you. this video was absolute nonsense.
I as NM resident in last 6 years I have not gotten a tag for elk, deer and antelope.
See elk in a few of our game units local to Angel Fire, NM. The Rocky Mountain Elk & Deer Watch shows a few areas.
I don't believe this split at all. I see non residents all over the damn place especially on more expensive primo ass hunts.
Those more expensive premo areas are probably someone that paid 25-30k for an outfitter tag
i wish states de-prioritized outfitters
New Mexico Unit 52 is the worst for non-residents. The elk that are in this unit are far and few in between and small bulls are the norm. This unit gets flooded with resident hunters and is known to have camp thieves.
I hunted 52 last year muzzleloader with RB Outfitters. Heard several bulls opening morning, saw one. Next morning heard 6 or 7 bulls, shot the first one I saw at 125 yds. The guides were locals, all hunters saw elk. Not a trophy unit, but a great unit to hunt.
@@davidbarks6532 Nice!
I had Gas stolen from my cans while parked on the highway in this general area. Tried to get into my camper as well. I can't believe that people would be so desperate. Basically in no mans land so I guess they figured they will never get caught or seen. headed back up in few weeks for Oct 24 rifle. to give it another go. Did get a nice 5x5 on my trip last time.
@@whitehunter6492 5x5 Awesome, one year we stopped for lunch on the way up there in a place called Ojo Caliente and had cases of beverages stolen out of the bed of one of our pickups while we were eating inside the restaurant. We continue to hunt this unit because of our success rate, we are just more wise now on how to go about things. If you go all the way up FR 93 to the end where it’s posted and hunt that Canada Tio Grande Canyon I guarantee you will see Bull Elk. Good luck.
I almost applied for a NM antelope unit, but a banner popped up saying “there were no non-resident tags available for the hunt I was applying for.”
Yes, that would mean there are not enough total tags in the unit to allow for an unguided non-resident to get a tag (any hunt with less than 13 total tags) So make sure you don't apply in these units as an unguided non-resident! Just make sure that if this banner pops up you click on "modify my application" and choose a different hunt. Do not click "checkout"
Please clarify, by EXAMPLE; based on the 6% DIY allotment, in one of my units the total is 12 tags available to DIY. So since below 13 DIY/6% tags, I am drawing DEAD for this unit?
From the NMDFG hunting regulations:
Nonresident and Outfitted Applicants Please Note: It is extremely unlikely for an
outfitted applicant to draw a hunt code with six or fewer licenses or for a nonresident to draw a hunt code with
twelve or fewer licenses. Residents planning to apply with one or more nonresidents should also be aware of
this when applying.
I think you are asking if there are 12 total tags are there enough tags for 1 tag to drawn by an unguided NR. The answer to that would be no, you must have at least 13 total tags in the hunt.
If you are talking about a hunt that has enough tags for 12 NR unguided tags to be issued there would need to be 200 total tags for that hunt. If you are applying for a hunt that has 200 total tags, you will not be drawing dead, there will be 12 tags available for non-resident unguided hunters to draw.
Please let us know if this makes sense! It's a tricky topic with specific vocabulary.
@@huntinfool_official thank you for the clarification....
Can a nonresident apply in a group of 2-3 residents? Is there a list of how many nonresidents applied in the previous years for a specific hunt or unit
So in units where there are only 1 or 2 NR elk tags available, who will be drawing those tags?
If the total tag allocation allowed for 1-2 NR tags then they would indeed have a chance to be drawn by a NR. The problem is that NM has a total tag number for each hunt and then allocates those tags according to the 84/10/6 percent breakdown. If there were 1-2 tags total for the hunt then both of those tags would go to residents. Residents are guaranteed their 84% and as long as there is enough tags leftover to allow for a tag to be issued and not bring the the resident % below the 84% threshold they will issue that tag to the outfitter draw and/or NR unguided draw. For instance there must be at least 25 total tags for there to be at least 2 tags available in the NR unguided draw. There has to be at least 19 total tags in order for there to be at least 2 tags available in the outfitter draw.
If there is 13 total tags for a given hunt then 11 would go to the resident draw, 1 would be available in the outfitter draw, and 1 would be available in the NR unguided draw.
Is this chart allocation still accurate?
You are right on with all of this, but incorrect on saying NM doesn’t care and let’s you put in if there are not enough tags.
The exception:
A RED banner will notify you saying you are not going to draw-if there are fewer tags to allow for a non-resident. Sadly, It does not explain why they warrant the break down of a minimum of 13 tags. For example, Antelope has 10 tags in most units which forces a non resident to go to landowners and get permission as there are not enough tags to draw as non-resident.
True, the notification does pop up. You can push past the notification and NM will allow you to apply for it anyways. Good call Dereck
As a newbie hunter, this all sounds insane and seems way too complicated a system to understand and manage. Really, it just makes me zone out and look at spending my time doing something else other than hunting.
We don't blame ya, it's all complicated at first, but it'll start making sense once you dive into it. That is a big reason our company exists. We can help you out along the way, handle your applications for you, and answer any questions you've got. Give us a call if you ever need anything!
Then you really aren’t that into hunting.
If only there was a seperate fraw for non residents and residents, theres been more non residents hunting then residents
Isn't 6% of 13= .78tags not 1 tag?
I don't think NR's get 6% of the tags guaranteed. They just get up to 6%. The residents are guaranteed at least 84% of the tags
You don't know how NM tags work at all! You cant even apply for 3 tags when there are only 2 available, automatically disqualifies you. this video was absolute nonsense.
Stay out of nm
Stay mad about NM loving that non resident money.