Miles Morales is the only character whose storyline I actually cared about in this event. And Stark was absolutely right, I don't see how anyone could honestly take her side whole-heartedly. Except S.H.I.E.L.D., definitely can see this
I think it is weird that they made the same mistake they did with the first Civil War. First they ruined Iron Man and pointlessly killed a ton of characters now they ruin Captain Marvel and again pointlessly kill several characters.
He died so Cho could be the Hulk. I think it's yet another ploy in their misguided attempts at diversity. Before it was just conspiracy theory, but it's gotten pretty blatant.
IMO Injustice Superman is more innocent than Injustice Wonder Woman. He becomes batshit insane because fucking Injustice Batman and Injustice Wonder Woman.
NS120121 injustice Wonder Woman is annoying as fuck, the one from the alternate universe in the first game was so much cooler but now she’s just an asshole, Superman probably would’ve turned good for good this time but Wonder Woman intervened
Avery Spotswood I promise I’m not in carols side, I just *REALLY* need to respond Carol really wanted to be correct. She made a random woman cry because she wanted to prove Tony wrong. She tried to arrest a kid over something that never happened. She’s being a whiny kid, trying to always be correct, that’s why I hate her in civil war 2
Avery Spotswood still though, she took the chance one time, and the chance was wrong. Instead of realizing that she was wrong, carol just blamed everything on tony. Yes you should take that chance, but when that chance guess is wrong, don’t go around getting mad at someone else, get mad at yourself for acting like a bad person
Bruce is dead Rhodes is dead Clint is in jail Tony is in a coma Thor Odinson is not Thor Steve's evil Peter Fucked off somewhere Thank God for the movies
In the first Civil War comic i sided with Captain America because unmasking heroes is wrong cause it leads their love ones get targeted but in the second Civil War comic this time i sided with Iron Man cause what Capt. Marvel is doing is very wrong
Well none of the causes the heroes back aren’t right or wrong. Both causes have they’re positives and negatives. That’s what’s so great about marvel civil war, no one is wrong or right and makes it easier for the reader to choose a side.
Civil War 1 and 2 are fundamentally different. The premise in 1 is how the public is sick of heroes and the destruction that they cause during their heroing without any accountability to anyone. So said public wants to make them accountable to them, which is fair, given that the public is the subject of protection by the heroes. The premise in 2 is that there is this person who can predict future events, so Cpt. Marvel and friends want to use him to stop catastrophes and crimes before they've occurred. I don't think I need to tell you how dystopian that is. If you ask me, Stark was right in both, or that very least had a point and solid ground to stand on and fight.
Ghost rider should’ve shown up and put her in her place on the power scale. Dr strange had said that Johnny blaze ghost rider is the strongest man in the universe (when zarathos takes over the ghost rider form, he’s stronger than world breaker hulk, which is hulk in world war hulk)
Can’t arrest her cuz she’s a strong woman. Honestly, they need to have some objectivity when it comes to shield. They seem very keen on arresting Stark but when it comes to Carol, who was wrong from the beginning and nearly killed a man, she gets off scotch free
Jetrules231 Not stronger than Heart of the warrior hulk though. And what's with you going through this playlist and bragging about ghost rider to everyone? Are you obsessed with him?
XSCORPIO oh man ive always wanted to use this " Multiverse theorys a bitch". In short every action can keep things the same or change things. Like how cable and old man logan are from the future but not the same one. The ammount of variables is high and is basically why tony dosent want to trust the inhuman. Yes he can see future but its never 100% becouse altering changes happen with every action taken. Thats why ms marvels plan was a bust from the get go
Even if the first Civil War was flawed, it was a liginamite philosophical argument of two sides that both had their pros and cons. You could choose which side you wanted to join and both sides still wanted to save people and be superheroes. The difference came in working with the government or not. But here... there is no philosophical argument. Ironman IS right and Carol is nothing but a villain. Ulysses predictions are purely mathematical, meaning there is always a chance he could be wrong. But Carol doesn't even throw caution to the wind. The first prediction she sees she believes 100% and puts the lives of herself, other heroes, and even the potential lives of citizens at risk to stop whatever potential threat it was. She's the one who pushed this and wouldn't stop for one second to talk with Tony. She's the reason War Machine is dead, she's the reason the Hulk is dead, she's the reason many of the ignorant heroes that followed her are critically injured. And she's the reason Ironman is dead. And the worst part is she never faces any consequences at the end. And she was most likely the one triggering these predictions to occur because she can't stop and use that tiny pea sized brain of her's to stop and think that SHE could be the one causing these terrible events to occur. She never stops for one second to think and just dives head first into whatever new threat presents itself. The next time Marvel decides to kill a character off, nobody deserves a punishment like that more then Carol.
no, it wasn't it quickly devolved into tony supporting a government that was killing people and steve protecting the people the government is trying to kill...
Agreed, there is no side to choose from in this argument. If there's an error that results in death, why take that chance, especially if it's one of your own friends? It just shows Captain Marvel had a heart of stone wrapped in titanium, and went off the rails due to grief. If the last Civil War was anything to go by, there should have been two good ideologies, but that's too much work for a two-book arc. But hey, gotta rack in the fanboys somehow.
@Duck Soup Captain Marvel literally allowed people to be murdered and even participated in that herself. In conclusion she is wrong and should have been punished.
@Duck Soup But we all know that these people were later framed by Captain America/ Hydra. So they were murdered for nothing and Captain Marvel simply gets to walk even though the people she killed were framed.
@Duck Soup That just proves why she is wrong. She never cared to study or learn the new guys ability to see the future or how it functions she just jumped in. She never cared to learn how people may be affected by this.
You and me both, one of the reasons I didn't watch her movie but apparently people hated her character in the movie as well. So not even the MCU can help her, they are the only reason I was interested in seeing Hawkguy and falcon in any Marvel comic.
Why does Tony's armor gets nerfed everytime. In his own comic, it looked op but here, it was all nerfed. What happened to Superior Ironman armor? Marvel can't make up their minds if Tony should be a hero, villain, powerful and weak
+Baked Which almost killed him. Friday was programmed to protect Tony whatever happens. In "Invincible" Ironman, Friday ejected Tony to the other building when his armor was getting destroyed but he can still control it. He was able to go toe to toe with Dr.Doom. Tony is supposed to be the Batman of the Marvel universe, which means being smart and tactical against his enemies but in this comic, he has no tactic or whatever to defend himself from Carol.
Iron Man is what Marvel needs him to be; also most of the reasons that he is a villain are circumstantial or require context so it''s not like they're flip-flopping or anything
@@mochatf2player351 Agreed, according to Marvel's own website, Iron Man is rated higher than Hulk, Thor & Captain Marvel in the official power rankings. Sometimes he's shown to even beat Hulk whereas sometimes he's straight up nerfed, its way too much inconsistency.
nothing wrong with him. Its just carol taking things too far without listening to reason because if she backs down now, then warmachine and hulk would have died in vain
+nintendo plaza I felt that he was already an interesting character. to me; cap is a soldier who's war has been long since over, a man out of time, a stranger in his own home. I feel that making him hydra is a disservice to what the world needs & an insult to the creators. It's like what if DC made all their Kryptonian characters evil or Batman a killer. y'know what I mean?
@@godli6063 she's not bad in endgame because she barely had screen time. she was more or less a plot device to bring tony back from space. aside from finding tony in space out of nowhere, any of the other character could've play her role and no one would notice. stopping thanos' ship from bombarding the hero would've been a great feat for the hulk since he did jack crap in the movie. imagine how hyped everyone would be if they saw an enraged world breaker hulk going "hulk smash" and shatter the entire ship with one giant slam. during the female team up, letting carol be the runner was literally the worst choice to make since she's so powerful that it make the assistance of other female hero look moot. that role should've been for black widow, or nebula since that would make spiderman's remark about "how are you going to get it pass there?" make sense since those two aren't all powerful. copying the captain america scene from infinity war to stop thanos and taking a hit without blinking doesn't make her look cool, it make her look like a wannabe.
cyberwolfy37 Idk if captain America got hit without flinching, ik the holdout but I don’t think he actually got hit so no I still like that scene because it makes her look powerful. Yes that ship scene could’ve worked for hulk but it still worked for Captain Marvel, it could’ve also worked for Thor, and maybe even Wanda. I’m pretty sure that the all female scene was some kind of A force reference and they wanted captain marvel to be the leader if their is ever an upcoming movie, besides she’s the only female to have a movie out of all of them. Now keep in mind I do not like Captain marvel, but I’m glad she got 15 minutes only, imagine her getting thors hammers?
@@godli6063 captain marvel mirroring captain america and doing better just felt like the writer wanting to hammer away "look at captain marvel, look how she can stand in steve roger's shoe and does it better". it just feel like such a mary sue thing to do. having a character besting a feat that the main character couldn't pull off, very nonchalantly. i.e. hold back thanos gauntlet and withstand a punch. I'm glad that thanos blasted her with the power stone. the ship destruction scene should've been for hulk considering how much he lack presence in both movie. I am not counting professor hulk as hulk because he's more like banner only bigger and greener. infinity war started a small mini arc for the hulk, him meeting something that can beat him in sheer strength and being afraid of it for an entire movie. one of the thing I felt endgame did wrong was the banner/hulk resolution into professor hulk in the timeskip. that felt like really lazy writing for banner, who struggle with maintaining balance with the hulk for most of his life, to balance him and the hulk in just 5 years. there was no reflection of character and no compromise between both persona. this trivialized professor hulk into becoming another plot device, he's balanced now because they need someone to do the snap. if Banner truly said he bring balance to both side, then where's the hulk. this feel more like Banner taken over hulk and become the dominant persona. they should've make prof hulk a true balance between both persona and have a prof hulk have duo personality. Banner can be speaking most of the time, but hulk can interject if he feel strongly about it. sorry for getting off track but anyway. the last battle should've been the conclusion to Hulk mini arc against thanos. have him shown courage to face his fear again and do some smashing. but no, we got none of that and we will never will because thanos is gone now. I can understand if Marvel wanted to reference the A force or whatever, but what captain marvel wasn't being the leader, she was being the center of attention, look at her body language, she land down and look down on a helpless spiderman. A leader in this scenario should be helping spiderman up, the leader should be the person leading the female to protect the gauntlet runner, if captain marvel wanted to show that she was a leader, she would be the one that reply to spiderman's "I don't know how are you going to get pass all that" with "she got help". captain marvel should've kept the name ms marvel, because you need to be a leader to be called captain.
@@cyberwolfy37 Agree tbh, I know Hulk & Thor could've destroyed that ship as well since they're way more powerful than Captain Marvel BUT Hulk was already kinda destroyed after he did his snap, Thor in general was weaker than usual in Endgame coz he pretty much stopped being Thor for 5 years. Endgame was basically Ironman & Captain America's time to shine.
This whole story is the perfect lead up to secret empire, with Steve essentially manipulating the heros from the start. Civil War II was definitely a dumpster fire of a story, but it certainly makes Evil Captain America look like a genius all throughout this arc up until the end of secret empire.
That's not how blood analysis works. You need as fresh and compromised a sample as you can get. Beast didn't want to run any medical tests because he has no idea what Tony actually did. It could be as simple as Extremis 2.0 or since Hank was hesitant about medical procedures it's possible Tony has a secret hidden in him and if say, nanomachines detect blood being "stolen" (which could be seen or programmed to be seen as different to an injury) they could set off security measures like him dying or going nuclear.
Iron man, the man who fought and led the avengers, who was able to build a celestial buster armor, was able to beat Kang the Conquer lost to a person who controls energy, wtf Marvel. Seem like they tried to recreate Batman vs Superman
Well, Carol appeared to arrest Miles Morales mere hours after their first fight, and building a "Celestial Buster" armor takes quite some time and recourses. He simply took the most powerful suit he had available and rushed to the scene. Also, Carol Danvers is more powerful than you might think, her powers allows her to absorb energy and throw it back with an equal force. Tony basically destoyed himself by fighting her.
Grandpa C I agree, it doesn't make much sense huh? Stark could easily create a suit that would absorb Capt. Marvel's energy output and use it against her. Marvel, Marvel what have you done?
+Rob Funkhouser actually Stark already has that armor, it's the Superior Ironman Armor which Marvel removed for no reason. There wasn't even an explanation on how it disappeared
+Meganonr1 Tony used his most op armor. It is the Invincible Ironman armor which he always use. It is explained that Tony was able to combine all of his armors into one and can switch between it (so the celestial and hulkbuster is inside it) with the use of nanomachines. The armor he used in this even is the Invincible Ironman armor but Marvel ruined him again by nerfing the armor. In Ironman's own comic, the suit can rebuild itself after getting shattered to pieces, it can also transform into hulkbuster mode eith the use of his mind. I was confident that Tony will win in this event because it's always a brain over brawl when Tony is fighting but nope! Marvel fucked it up and removes Tony out of the scene
@MICROSOFT HQyeha I get you , I mean tony got a lot shit for what he did when he did wrong apparently but captain marvel cost more deaths and end of it tonys life she kills as well and get job from it and promotion its a lot of bullshit for moral's of balance really.
I love Captain Marvel, but this is not her. They drastically changed her personality so they could tell a shitty story. So I would say, hate the writer...not the character. Or don't, up to you :)
Why do they always place Iron Man in a situation where he has to hold back his powers ? According to the power rankings on Marvel's official website, Iron Man is way more powerful than Captain Marvel. Iron Man is 33/42 whereas Captain Marvel is 29/42 and yet this terribly written plot demands Iron Man to be beaten at the end ffs
Yep. Civil War 1 was better. The ideas presented by the two factions there aren't clearly right nor wrong. Unlike this one where Tony was clearly correct and Capt. Marvel is a straight-up an idiot.
They need to have more comics like the Matt fraction Hawkeye series. It showed more of his personal time rather than being an avenger or fighting super villains
I SWEAR I DIDN'T KNOW COMICBOOKS VIDEOS CAN BE THIS EXCITING .. I MEAN I DO READ COMIC BUT U AND YOUR CHANNEL ARE SOMETHING ELSE .. TRULY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT MAKING THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS
I don't know why we say that Carol won the civil war. Ulysses is gone, and Captain Marvel's "predictive justice" is dead. Yes, Tony has been roughly beaten but his point has been publicly made, verified and approved by Hank and definitely proven in Ulysses last vision. So, Tony' side basically achieved it's goal.
I think they should really give each other breathing room because I think when people watch this video they can't be bothered watching another video about it even though it has robs incredible explanations and humour
At least tony is still "alive" and his A.I is helping riri, and dammit I hate how Steve is manipulating everyone right now,he's making Sam doubt himself as captain America,he almost got Bucky killed,and he's turning the new quasar against everyone
Is this not the original that we know? I mean, where's peter parker? Does the whole captain america hydra agent thing is canon or just an alternate universe?
Captain Hydra is canon and I think Marvel is only focusing on Peter Parker of alternative universe (where he is rich and famous and Doc Oc was in his body)
Far Asap No, this is all canon and in the Marvel Prime universe. The universe after secret wars, mainly just that reed Richards combined the main and the ultimate universe. Peter just didn't get involved, there was a tie in with him and Ulysses. I only read the first issue of his tie in, but he decided not to get involved
Nice video Benny. I've already read these comics but you tell them so good I still watched your video too. P.S Did you drop the Agent Venom weekly series?
@@kingpeso4240 Yeah, its clearly stated at the end that Iron Man was holding back. And about the power rankings on Marvel's official website, Iron Man is rated higher than all the top tier avengers like Hulk, Thor & Captain Marvel etc Iron Man - 33/42 Hulk - 32/42 Thor - 32/42 Captain Marvel - 29/42 Doctor Strange - 25/42 Captain America - 19/42 Spiderman - 18/42 Scarlet Witch - 18/42 Hawkeye - 13/42
This Hyndra thing with Steve Rogers is so dumb😢...he is supposed to be an idol....they have ruined Cap in this storyline...and I'm so depressed because he is my favorite superhero 😢
I think they should act accordingly to what the vision is. Eg hulking killing everyone they check what’s going on and see if it may happen. But if it were small or insignificant then act less presumptively
Why did no one asked the dozen of other characters who could see the future (like blind fold) to fact check these visions, and how come acting like a massive dick/betting stark in to a coma grant captan marvel unlimited resources?
This is why comics always bring people back and now have a reputation for never sticking to deaths. Because that heroes fans cry and holler. Like dc was going to end Superman permanently when doomsday killed him, but people got mad, so they brought him back
It's not so much people are mad about their deaths, so much as their replacements are terrible write ins to change to the character while keeping the character's hero name (Excluding Miles Morales)
9:42 here where you say the X-Men and Sentinels with only Nova to stop them, I'm pretty sure Nova is there just experiencing the vision like everyone else.
kenzon reaper The vision nova was experiencing was inhumans vs x men and the reason why the x men are going to war with the inhumans is because beast has told them that within 2 weeks the last terrigen cloud will disperse around the world causing the earth to become uninhabitable for the mutants if it is not destroyed.
Tony be protecting every spiderman, what a good dad 😂😂
wHaT a GoOd DaD
@the Legend It was maria hill tho???
You deserve every like
the Legend most parents aren’t perfect lol
Only in the MCU. he almost killed spidey in the first civil war
Pretty much the whole entire comic
Someone: -breathes-
Everyone else: You're under arrest
Correction
Someone: *BREATHES*
Captain marvel: your under arrest
Lol 😂🤣🤣
Miles Morales is the only character whose storyline I actually cared about in this event. And Stark was absolutely right, I don't see how anyone could honestly take her side whole-heartedly. Except S.H.I.E.L.D., definitely can see this
Threshman9182 Entertainment
Agreed
Peter darker?
Who else is super pissed at Captain Marvel right now!?!!
Me.
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so banner is dead for nothing
NathanielAnimations lots of charecters died for nothing.....
And war machine and Captain Marvel's characterization during this cross over which will stick with her for a while.
I think it is weird that they made the same mistake they did with the first Civil War. First they ruined Iron Man and pointlessly killed a ton of characters now they ruin Captain Marvel and again pointlessly kill several characters.
Banner died so Cho, and Asian kid and friend of his with an IQ of 120345 could become the Hulk... nothing less, nothing more.
He died so Cho could be the Hulk. I think it's yet another ploy in their misguided attempts at diversity. Before it was just conspiracy theory, but it's gotten pretty blatant.
Carol is Marvel's Injustice Superman
im_not_spidey the difference is that she doesn't have a reason for being a dick like superman did
IMO Injustice Superman is more innocent than Injustice Wonder Woman. He becomes batshit insane because fucking Injustice Batman and Injustice Wonder Woman.
NS120121 injustice Wonder Woman is annoying as fuck, the one from the alternate universe in the first game was so much cooler but now she’s just an asshole, Superman probably would’ve turned good for good this time but Wonder Woman intervened
Ikr
@@LyGon-pw5mt He went insane because of Joker and WW. Batman had nothing to do with it. You've obviously never played the games or read the comics.
Captain America comforting a terrified and confused Miles WHO'S A CHILD is the most heroic thing ever
Which is kinda funny considering that he's HYDRA at the moment and still acts more heroic than Carol
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Avery Spotswood
I promise I’m not in carols side, I just *REALLY* need to respond
Carol really wanted to be correct. She made a random woman cry because she wanted to prove Tony wrong. She tried to arrest a kid over something that never happened. She’s being a whiny kid, trying to always be correct, that’s why I hate her in civil war 2
Avery Spotswood still though, she took the chance one time, and the chance was wrong. Instead of realizing that she was wrong, carol just blamed everything on tony. Yes you should take that chance, but when that chance guess is wrong, don’t go around getting mad at someone else, get mad at yourself for acting like a bad person
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Avery Spotswood there’s a chance to save somebody, but there’s also the chance to wrongfully kill somebody
Team iron man
Bruce is dead
Rhodes is dead
Clint is in jail
Tony is in a coma
Thor Odinson is not Thor
Steve's evil
Peter Fucked off somewhere
Thank God for the movies
Well...thank god until Endgame
Steve being evil is an awesome story in my opinion
I thought Bruce was Bruce Wayne i just r/Wooosh myself
Yep,the comics are messed up now.
Ikr? The comics can be such a cluster-fuck at times...
oh so that's where the "hail hydra" cap comes from
jrawned iam from the future, no sir that’s not the case
Aland Gardwan iam from the future future
Hes says the n word that's why spiderman killed em
It actually comes from the follow up series to this which is called "Secret Empire"
@@alandgardwan9368 lmao
I'm on iron Man's side because at least he's being rational about this well as rational as Tony Stark can be
Savien Harrison
Same here
In the first Civil War comic i sided with Captain America because unmasking heroes is wrong cause it leads their love ones get targeted but in the second Civil War comic this time i sided with Iron Man cause what Capt. Marvel is doing is very wrong
Now I see why Tony Stark is so underrated.
Civil War I: He is wrong but still wins.
Civil War II: He is right but still wins.
ok...
Still loses
Lmao, Tony wasn't wrong I'm cw1
Civil War 1 both are equally wron
Well none of the causes the heroes back aren’t right or wrong. Both causes have they’re positives and negatives. That’s what’s so great about marvel civil war, no one is wrong or right and makes it easier for the reader to choose a side.
Civil War 1 and 2 are fundamentally different.
The premise in 1 is how the public is sick of heroes and the destruction that they cause during their heroing without any accountability to anyone. So said public wants to make them accountable to them, which is fair, given that the public is the subject of protection by the heroes.
The premise in 2 is that there is this person who can predict future events, so Cpt. Marvel and friends want to use him to stop catastrophes and crimes before they've occurred. I don't think I need to tell you how dystopian that is.
If you ask me, Stark was right in both, or that very least had a point and solid ground to stand on and fight.
they should just arrest carol already.
Ghost rider should’ve shown up and put her in her place on the power scale. Dr strange had said that Johnny blaze ghost rider is the strongest man in the universe (when zarathos takes over the ghost rider form, he’s stronger than world breaker hulk, which is hulk in world war hulk)
Can’t arrest her cuz she’s a strong woman. Honestly, they need to have some objectivity when it comes to shield. They seem very keen on arresting Stark but when it comes to Carol, who was wrong from the beginning and nearly killed a man, she gets off scotch free
Jetrules231 Not stronger than Heart of the warrior hulk though. And what's with you going through this playlist and bragging about ghost rider to everyone? Are you obsessed with him?
Flamesthatburn331 to a socially acceptable degree. And Hawkeyes pretty cool
Adham Kassem she wouldn't resist arrest
now people hate captain marvel
perfect promotion for her up coming movie
Still don't know y they didn't ask other people who know everything or can see the future or are from the future like cable
XSCORPIO oh man ive always wanted to use this " Multiverse theorys a bitch". In short every action can keep things the same or change things. Like how cable and old man logan are from the future but not the same one. The ammount of variables is high and is basically why tony dosent want to trust the inhuman. Yes he can see future but its never 100% becouse altering changes happen with every action taken. Thats why ms marvels plan was a bust from the get go
BluePain fuck her
+Cake# “Cj” and she enjoyed it
So Carol gets to walk free for arresting and assaulting a woman.
Yep
🤣
Malik Olawale
Yup
Don't forget killing Iron man👍🏿
Civil War 2 is like the direct to video sequel version of Civil War
😂😂😂😂
I feel like someone will be woooshed.
Crazelord91
Pretty much
So Cap is the one to blame for this Civil-War too.
No it was going to happen anyway but Captain America just double the effects.
Ouch man
OOOOF
Kinda
cap got banner dead because cap told him to work on the gamma radiation hulk thing
That's it? That was quick. More like *Civil Skirmishes II*
Lol true
Civil battle 2
Civil pick up game 2
civil dispute
*Civil Disagreement II*
Even if the first Civil War was flawed, it was a liginamite philosophical argument of two sides that both had their pros and cons. You could choose which side you wanted to join and both sides still wanted to save people and be superheroes. The difference came in working with the government or not. But here... there is no philosophical argument. Ironman IS right and Carol is nothing but a villain. Ulysses predictions are purely mathematical, meaning there is always a chance he could be wrong.
But Carol doesn't even throw caution to the wind. The first prediction she sees she believes 100% and puts the lives of herself, other heroes, and even the potential lives of citizens at risk to stop whatever potential threat it was. She's the one who pushed this and wouldn't stop for one second to talk with Tony. She's the reason War Machine is dead, she's the reason the Hulk is dead, she's the reason many of the ignorant heroes that followed her are critically injured. And she's the reason Ironman is dead. And the worst part is she never faces any consequences at the end. And she was most likely the one triggering these predictions to occur because she can't stop and use that tiny pea sized brain of her's to stop and think that SHE could be the one causing these terrible events to occur.
She never stops for one second to think and just dives head first into whatever new threat presents itself. The next time Marvel decides to kill a character off, nobody deserves a punishment like that more then Carol.
no, it wasn't it quickly devolved into tony supporting a government that was killing people and steve protecting the people the government is trying to kill...
Agreed, there is no side to choose from in this argument. If there's an error that results in death, why take that chance, especially if it's one of your own friends? It just shows Captain Marvel had a heart of stone wrapped in titanium, and went off the rails due to grief. If the last Civil War was anything to go by, there should have been two good ideologies, but that's too much work for a two-book arc. But hey, gotta rack in the fanboys somehow.
@Duck Soup Captain Marvel literally allowed people to be murdered and even participated in that herself. In conclusion she is wrong and should have been punished.
@Duck Soup But we all know that these people were later framed by Captain America/ Hydra. So they were murdered for nothing and Captain Marvel simply gets to walk even though the people she killed were framed.
@Duck Soup That just proves why she is wrong. She never cared to study or learn the new guys ability to see the future or how it functions she just jumped in. She never cared to learn how people may be affected by this.
I never hated on a character, both villans and heroes, until captain marvel arrives.
You and me both, one of the reasons I didn't watch her movie but apparently people hated her character in the movie as well. So not even the MCU can help her, they are the only reason I was interested in seeing Hawkguy and falcon in any Marvel comic.
@@leoanimefan444 yes
Why does Tony's armor gets nerfed everytime. In his own comic, it looked op but here, it was all nerfed. What happened to Superior Ironman armor? Marvel can't make up their minds if Tony should be a hero, villain, powerful and weak
+Baked Which almost killed him. Friday was programmed to protect Tony whatever happens. In "Invincible" Ironman, Friday ejected Tony to the other building when his armor was getting destroyed but he can still control it. He was able to go toe to toe with Dr.Doom. Tony is supposed to be the Batman of the Marvel universe, which means being smart and tactical against his enemies but in this comic, he has no tactic or whatever to defend himself from Carol.
@@senorVAC1 Bendis always writes PIS. Just like Miles' venom sting hurting Blackheart.
Iron Man is what Marvel needs him to be; also most of the reasons that he is a villain are circumstantial or require context so it''s not like they're flip-flopping or anything
@@mochatf2player351 Agreed, according to Marvel's own website, Iron Man is rated higher than Hulk, Thor & Captain Marvel in the official power rankings. Sometimes he's shown to even beat Hulk whereas sometimes he's straight up nerfed, its way too much inconsistency.
@@henrypaleveda7760 When has Iron Man ever been a villain ? Are we talking about MCU or comics ?
I hope Ulysses NEVER returns again.
RaginDXDemon why his an interesting character especially that his evolved in to a higher being
Brent Angelo Icban Thats not an interesting character, thats a "because writing stupid deus ex machina bullshit mulligan". Theres a small difference.
nothing wrong with him. Its just carol taking things too far without listening to reason because if she backs down now, then warmachine and hulk would have died in vain
+Suboo PC and she would be wrong and we know how women deal with being wrong. Deny deny deny
CodeeXD Let's not make this a gender thing. Male characters have done the same type of shit countless times.
When tony started saying good things about miles. I felt the feels .
It felt rushed but I enjoyed it.
Me too
i really hate how spence made captain america an undercover agent of hydra
Godzillarulz True
Godzillarulz It's actually a good story Cap is actually an interesting character now
+nintendo plaza I felt that he was already an interesting character. to me; cap is a soldier who's war has been long since over, a man out of time, a stranger in his own home. I feel that making him hydra is a disservice to what the world needs & an insult to the creators. It's like what if DC made all their Kryptonian characters evil or Batman a killer. y'know what I mean?
Godzillarulz Batman is a killer well the Thomas wayne version anyway, and superman was an evil nazi
+TheragingAsian I mean in their mainstream universe
Someone needs to beat "Captain Marvel" Down!! The Writers at marvel are not doing well with this one!
derjoh1986 ikr
derjoh1986 Well, the writers were not trying anyways. This is a cashgrab and nothing more.
Hopefully it's She Hulk!
derjoh1986 I'm think along the lines of a World War She-Hulk
derjoh1986 Blue Marvel, Hyperion, anybody. Even Nighthawk.
Even if Cap is working in Hydra his speech with Miles broke my heart
Does the entire Marvel Universe just absolutely hate each other that they feel the need to kill each other?
Basically and they're cool with just capturing guys like Thanos
so what was the point of fighting?this pretty much proved that tony was right.
My gosh, I have never hated a character so bad before. The male Captain Marvel needs to come back..
I don't think Marvel can. It seems like Carol's origin story got retconned to not have the original Captain Marvel.
Animemus Aww man.
How about Monica Rambeau?
***** She's still an unlikeable character. This story ruined her.
+Animemus came back before didn- oh...
I guess the MCU adapted Captain Marvel well. Because she sucks here and she sucks in the movies.
Basically they hired an actress who's just as unlikable as the character lol
@@godli6063 she's not bad in endgame because she barely had screen time. she was more or less a plot device to bring tony back from space. aside from finding tony in space out of nowhere, any of the other character could've play her role and no one would notice.
stopping thanos' ship from bombarding the hero would've been a great feat for the hulk since he did jack crap in the movie. imagine how hyped everyone would be if they saw an enraged world breaker hulk going "hulk smash" and shatter the entire ship with one giant slam.
during the female team up, letting carol be the runner was literally the worst choice to make since she's so powerful that it make the assistance of other female hero look moot. that role should've been for black widow, or nebula since that would make spiderman's remark about "how are you going to get it pass there?" make sense since those two aren't all powerful.
copying the captain america scene from infinity war to stop thanos and taking a hit without blinking doesn't make her look cool, it make her look like a wannabe.
cyberwolfy37 Idk if captain America got hit without flinching, ik the holdout but I don’t think he actually got hit so no I still like that scene because it makes her look powerful. Yes that ship scene could’ve worked for hulk but it still worked for Captain Marvel, it could’ve also worked for Thor, and maybe even Wanda. I’m pretty sure that the all female scene was some kind of A force reference and they wanted captain marvel to be the leader if their is ever an upcoming movie, besides she’s the only female to have a movie out of all of them. Now keep in mind I do not like Captain marvel, but I’m glad she got 15 minutes only, imagine her getting thors hammers?
@@godli6063
captain marvel mirroring captain america and doing better just felt like the writer wanting to hammer away "look at captain marvel, look how she can stand in steve roger's shoe and does it better". it just feel like such a mary sue thing to do. having a character besting a feat that the main character couldn't pull off, very nonchalantly. i.e. hold back thanos gauntlet and withstand a punch. I'm glad that thanos blasted her with the power stone.
the ship destruction scene should've been for hulk considering how much he lack presence in both movie. I am not counting professor hulk as hulk because he's more like banner only bigger and greener. infinity war started a small mini arc for the hulk, him meeting something that can beat him in sheer strength and being afraid of it for an entire movie. one of the thing I felt endgame did wrong was the banner/hulk resolution into professor hulk in the timeskip. that felt like really lazy writing for banner, who struggle with maintaining balance with the hulk for most of his life, to balance him and the hulk in just 5 years. there was no reflection of character and no compromise between both persona. this trivialized professor hulk into becoming another plot device, he's balanced now because they need someone to do the snap. if Banner truly said he bring balance to both side, then where's the hulk. this feel more like Banner taken over hulk and become the dominant persona. they should've make prof hulk a true balance between both persona and have a prof hulk have duo personality. Banner can be speaking most of the time, but hulk can interject if he feel strongly about it.
sorry for getting off track but anyway. the last battle should've been the conclusion to Hulk mini arc against thanos. have him shown courage to face his fear again and do some smashing. but no, we got none of that and we will never will because thanos is gone now.
I can understand if Marvel wanted to reference the A force or whatever, but what captain marvel wasn't being the leader, she was being the center of attention, look at her body language, she land down and look down on a helpless spiderman. A leader in this scenario should be helping spiderman up, the leader should be the person leading the female to protect the gauntlet runner, if captain marvel wanted to show that she was a leader, she would be the one that reply to spiderman's "I don't know how are you going to get pass all that" with "she got help". captain marvel should've kept the name ms marvel, because you need to be a leader to be called captain.
@@cyberwolfy37 Agree tbh, I know Hulk & Thor could've destroyed that ship as well since they're way more powerful than Captain Marvel BUT Hulk was already kinda destroyed after he did his snap, Thor in general was weaker than usual in Endgame coz he pretty much stopped being Thor for 5 years. Endgame was basically Ironman & Captain America's time to shine.
This whole story is the perfect lead up to secret empire, with Steve essentially manipulating the heros from the start. Civil War II was definitely a dumpster fire of a story, but it certainly makes Evil Captain America look like a genius all throughout this arc up until the end of secret empire.
Am I the only one who freaked out when Logan appeared?....no?...just me?
Rgameplay no cause old man Logan is pretty awesome.
Rgameplay nope
You gotta read Old man Logan comic. It is already done in 2016
It is much better then Civil war
Bat Monh I did
Rgameplay 👌
Also, why is Beast scared of taking his blood? Carol literally beat him into a coma, there had to have been some blood on the ground somewhere
That's so true lol
Lazar Lilic best reason would be that blood is contaminated? I don't know man this story kinda sucks
That's not how blood analysis works. You need as fresh and compromised a sample as you can get. Beast didn't want to run any medical tests because he has no idea what Tony actually did. It could be as simple as Extremis 2.0 or since Hank was hesitant about medical procedures it's possible Tony has a secret hidden in him and if say, nanomachines detect blood being "stolen" (which could be seen or programmed to be seen as different to an injury) they could set off security measures like him dying or going nuclear.
biohazard724 Yeah, but if you can't get fresh blood at least try to see what the contaminated sample has to offer. It's still better than nothing
Lazar Lilic no. It's not better than nothing. It's actually worse than nothing.
So carol is f***ing annoying in both the comics AND MCU... brilliant
At least she's consistently terrible, so there's no false hope
Exactly she is straight shit
@@regiman222 facts
@@regiman222 she was GOOD in avengers EMH
@@sladewilson6348 I don't know what that is, but good to know
man, this thing where u tell the comic is genius. great commentary.
the comic is great as well
Iron man, the man who fought and led the avengers, who was able to build a celestial buster armor, was able to beat Kang the Conquer lost to a person who controls energy, wtf Marvel. Seem like they tried to recreate Batman vs Superman
Well, Carol appeared to arrest Miles Morales mere hours after their first fight, and building a "Celestial Buster" armor takes quite some time and recourses. He simply took the most powerful suit he had available and rushed to the scene.
Also, Carol Danvers is more powerful than you might think, her powers allows her to absorb energy and throw it back with an equal force. Tony basically destoyed himself by fighting her.
+Grandpa C well they did... they brought all the hate in too
Grandpa C I agree, it doesn't make much sense huh? Stark could easily create a suit that would absorb Capt. Marvel's energy output and use it against her. Marvel, Marvel what have you done?
+Rob Funkhouser actually Stark already has that armor, it's the Superior Ironman Armor which Marvel removed for no reason. There wasn't even an explanation on how it disappeared
+Meganonr1 Tony used his most op armor. It is the Invincible Ironman armor which he always use. It is explained that Tony was able to combine all of his armors into one and can switch between it (so the celestial and hulkbuster is inside it) with the use of nanomachines. The armor he used in this even is the Invincible Ironman armor but Marvel ruined him again by nerfing the armor. In Ironman's own comic, the suit can rebuild itself after getting shattered to pieces, it can also transform into hulkbuster mode eith the use of his mind. I was confident that Tony will win in this event because it's always a brain over brawl when Tony is fighting but nope! Marvel fucked it up and removes Tony out of the scene
So CW2 is basically a series of irrelevant discussions on the nature of guilt and innocence and all the important plot happens in the tie-ins?
pretty much
@MICROSOFT HQyeha I get you , I mean tony got a lot shit for what he did when he did wrong apparently but captain marvel cost more deaths and end of it tonys life she kills as well and get job from it and promotion its a lot of bullshit for moral's of balance really.
No, the moral of the story is so relevant right especially in the us. Cops arresting blacks without due process and of that.
no one:
Steve: hAil HidRa
This made me laugh :)
GAVIN SMITH wow you’re sense of humor sucks
@@ferraprime4564 okay then...
Woah! This story got way better! Great vid! :D
Iron Man wearing the Hulkbuster in War Machine colors is pretty awesome
who else here hates Captain Marvel as a character
And all new Steve Rogers
Nah I like the new Steve Arden an it of a twist to things, now they can do a lot more with his character
Crackonacid 01 Who is Steve Arden 😂?
I love Captain Marvel, but this is not her. They drastically changed her personality so they could tell a shitty story. So I would say, hate the writer...not the character. Or don't, up to you :)
MyFaceIsMahShield I thought making her look bad was the point of the event ?
Why do they always place Iron Man in a situation where he has to hold back his powers ? According to the power rankings on Marvel's official website, Iron Man is way more powerful than Captain Marvel. Iron Man is 33/42 whereas Captain Marvel is 29/42 and yet this terribly written plot demands Iron Man to be beaten at the end ffs
Yeah. It almost bullshit at this point if they keeping nerf him. Like why would you tell us this information if it's not gonna happen in the story
www.marvel.com/articles/comics/why-captain-marvel-is-the-most-powerful-hero-in-the-marvel-universe-an-infographic
dave sargent thats mcu dude, this is comics ffs get your shit together
@@jakobgarly1053 bro even squirrel girl kill Thanos easily in comic. hahaha
I mean, is Tony Stark, he and Carol are friends since the beggin of the ms marvel comics, he does not want to hurt her...but Carol is a bitch in this.
This was a part of the whole thing where people kept saying and memeing the comic if Steve and Hydra, ironic cause it's a good story
Yeah I still prefer the first Civil war than this one.
virus Juvera This one was just a cash grab
Yep. Civil War 1 was better. The ideas presented by the two factions there aren't clearly right nor wrong. Unlike this one where Tony was clearly correct and Capt. Marvel is a straight-up an idiot.
***** let's just pray to TOAA that they won't make a sequel about this one.
I don't know, the first civil war is a really shitty comic where everyone is out of character, this one is unoriginal but it is coherent at least
Silver all the characters were slightly out of character. your right on that, but I still loved both stories
So Captain Marvel is gonna destroy the world because tony pushed her to far
Young Man Josuke all he said was "her" personally I think Iron Heart might be the one he pushes too far (cus he's her AI now)
Wonder why he lost to her, she wasn't that powerful.
He wasn't trying,he used his shitty original suit that got upgraded by his shitty bold employee in one of his iron movies(that's what it looks like
Cuz Captain Marvel was attacking with KILLING INTENT whereas Stark believed in her and trusted her as a fellow hero,
Snoi Med yeah, they put him in that machine and he transferred his concous to her AI because her one wasn't good enough to run the suit
Great story telling lol never thought I'd like hearing about the comics over watching a movie lol
So this made me hate captain marvel even more #worsthero
Remember, it's her-o now. (sigh)
@J Foster Hate her too, but fuck off with "woMAN".
@@jeramahia123 sooo true
Galaxy Guy
Same here
Well that kind of fizzled out. That inhuman might as well have said, "I have to go, my planet needs me," before floating into the sky.
captain marvel is such a bad character in my opinion
Yeah
Honestly she’s a waste for a good character development
They need to have more comics like the Matt fraction Hawkeye series. It showed more of his personal time rather than being an avenger or fighting super villains
@@jayv.4017 she was made to make women happy, ut she was done all wrong i hate the new she thor too >:(
You're right.she's a waste of time
I would have LOVED to see a live action version of this
This really made me sad at the end and I can't explain why.
I SWEAR I DIDN'T KNOW COMICBOOKS VIDEOS CAN BE THIS EXCITING .. I MEAN I DO READ COMIC BUT U AND YOUR CHANNEL ARE SOMETHING ELSE .. TRULY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT MAKING THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS
I liked it when it was Steve vs tony
The solution is keep the visions to yourself and not capturing people that haven't done anything yet and I mean YET
I am interested in this story line. Keep it up.
I don't know why we say that Carol won the civil war. Ulysses is gone, and Captain Marvel's "predictive justice" is dead. Yes, Tony has been roughly beaten but his point has been publicly made, verified and approved by Hank and definitely proven in Ulysses last vision. So, Tony' side basically achieved it's goal.
Geez Logan, could you be any more cryptic?!
Ciri is Bae "Ah a time traveler, better screw around with them instead of giving them info to save the future."
The Dark Specter I honestly think Logan just doesn't give a f*ck
Mis bitch
Russell Yeah, exactly! He knows all about time travel and all of that, why didn't he give any good information.
He met the dude for like 5mn, you think he's supposed to go "Hey, you must be from the past, here's some good info."?
thank you so much dude for doing this storian stuff
I smashed that like button WITH EVERYTHING!
Previously, on Comics Explained!: "Benny and I, we like to give each other some breathing room"
LeAndre McCoy I thought the same thing as soon as I saw the video
+LeAndre McCoy Hey I did this one first, he jumped in on it
Comicstorian doesnt matter for me thank you both for videos!keep it up!
Comicstorian It makes little difference.
One of you didn't give the other some breathing room.
Great video, btw.
I think they should really give each other breathing room because I think when people watch this video they can't be bothered watching another video about it even though it has robs incredible explanations and humour
Comic Book Cast made this seem so incomprehensible but Benny both u and Rob of Comics Explained broke this down perfectly. Keep up the good work
Wow they brought the old man logan comics.
I just had to play it back that moment was awsome
Words of the day “with everything “
At least tony is still "alive" and his A.I is helping riri, and dammit I hate how Steve is manipulating everyone right now,he's making Sam doubt himself as captain America,he almost got Bucky killed,and he's turning the new quasar against everyone
so Ulysses basically get a poochie style ending from the itchy and scratchy? seems lazy
I saw Optimus Prime at 4:55😂
Me too XDDDDD
this is awesome
This just keeps getting better and better. Thanks Comicstorian.
For Civil War 1, #TeamCap! For this, #TeamIronMan!
@Captain Brody12. I rather follow Batman... in marvel I would just take a vacation until the reset.
#TeamHarambe he's the only one that actually knows what's best for Bucky
Captain Brody12 Comic CW1 #TeamCap but for the movie #TeamThor
#Neither
Captain Brody12 I agree with both
3:38 ok cap you seriously have my respect now 🔥 he’s so goated and kind
Wow this is great
Can someone explain on how captain marvel became top dog and not captain america?
This alternAte space thing
Is this not the original that we know? I mean, where's peter parker? Does the whole captain america hydra agent thing is canon or just an alternate universe?
Captain Hydra is canon and I think Marvel is only focusing on Peter Parker of alternative universe (where he is rich and famous and Doc Oc was in his body)
Nazar M so earth 616 is where peter has his own company and rich. So this is just an alternate universe
Far Asap No, this is all canon and in the Marvel Prime universe. The universe after secret wars, mainly just that reed Richards combined the main and the ultimate universe. Peter just didn't get involved, there was a tie in with him and Ulysses. I only read the first issue of his tie in, but he decided not to get involved
Nice video Benny. I've already read these comics but you tell them so good I still watched your video too.
P.S Did you drop the Agent Venom weekly series?
David Alavidze jkk
The question isn't about a certainty percentage threshold for action. It's about placing limits on allowable action without tangible proof.
I love it!!!
maria:YOU'RE ALL UNDER ARREST.
others:
YEET
No wonder CW II sucks. The main comic didn't even mention that Cap was manipulating events to thwart Ulysses' visions.
Robot invasion..... No. Those are Martian Tripods. .-.
Good story you got there
Hey dude just wanted to really let you know and the group that I hope you all have a great New Years because you guys have definitely earned it :)
He hits her with everything. She hits him with everything. Tony punches the ground with everything. Knock it off...
Ivan B man they SAID he was holding back. And why? No reason, just like... plot. It’s shitty.
He was holding back, according to the power rankings on Marvel's official website, Iron Man is way more powerful than Captain Marvel.
Zaid lmao huh?
@@kingpeso4240 Yeah, its clearly stated at the end that Iron Man was holding back. And about the power rankings on Marvel's official website, Iron Man is rated higher than all the top tier avengers like Hulk, Thor & Captain Marvel etc
Iron Man - 33/42
Hulk - 32/42
Thor - 32/42
Captain Marvel - 29/42
Doctor Strange - 25/42
Captain America - 19/42
Spiderman - 18/42
Scarlet Witch - 18/42
Hawkeye - 13/42
@@z7983 yeah iron man has a suit for defeating hulk and thor so thats why he is powerful
This is where my hatred for captain marvel started
That's it...SUBSCRIBED!!
It is pretty obvious by now who is right during this event.
This Hyndra thing with Steve Rogers is so dumb😢...he is supposed to be an idol....they have ruined Cap in this storyline...and I'm so depressed because he is my favorite superhero 😢
Amazing thanks you the man
I think they should act accordingly to what the vision is. Eg hulking killing everyone they check what’s going on and see if it may happen. But if it were small or insignificant then act less presumptively
Why did no one asked the dozen of other characters who could see the future (like blind fold) to fact check these visions, and how come acting like a massive dick/betting stark in to a coma grant captan marvel unlimited resources?
daniel dragotti because this arc is really lazy.
Idk
daniel dragotti because they wanted no logical thought into civil war 2 much like how civil war 1 was.
bendis don't give a fuck bro.
daniel dragotti Because shitty reasons!
I can't do a marvel universe with no Odinson and no banner
Odinson is still in the Marvel Universe.
Animemus yea ik I ment like Odinson as Thor
This is why comics always bring people back and now have a reputation for never sticking to deaths. Because that heroes fans cry and holler. Like dc was going to end Superman permanently when doomsday killed him, but people got mad, so they brought him back
And they STILL got mad.
It's not so much people are mad about their deaths, so much as their replacements are terrible write ins to change to the character while keeping the character's hero name (Excluding Miles Morales)
dude u are awesome
Wow so much connection
Every time I watch comicstorian I just get so interested and I just ignore every body , comicstorian is AWSOME
9:42 here where you say the X-Men and Sentinels with only Nova to stop them, I'm pretty sure Nova is there just experiencing the vision like everyone else.
kenzon reaper The real question is, who's leading who? The X-Men or the Sentinels or... Nova?
kenzon reaper The vision nova was experiencing was inhumans vs x men and the reason why the x men are going to war with the inhumans is because beast has told them that within 2 weeks the last terrigen cloud will disperse around the world causing the earth to become uninhabitable for the mutants if it is not destroyed.
true that. Same reason why spiderman was in that panel when he says "where the sentinels have won over the xmen"
I got so nostalgic when I head his voice cause I remember it from mangastorian
awesome!!!
👍 awesome story. Can't wait for the tie ins.
Marvel movies are good but the comics are going to shit
Just like dc movies are shit but the comics are good,I think they're working together so they don't want to disturb each other
XSCORPIO I guess we will see with Justice league due to the new management.
+Alex M new management? WB still has DC and Snyder is still involved. Give the rights to Marvel and we can have Marvel vs DC in a few years
Lemmings-Gaming Is Nolans Batman trilogy shit?
Vosa Vosa except opposite of DC
This is my favourite marvel story
At 4:56 there was an optimist prime suit. 6:09 old man logan