Confusing .. He's the "other" 17th Karmarpa but he's obviously a very learned and venerable man .. Perhaps best just to see both Karmarpas as being learned and venerable teachers.
mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion..., Gampopa 1073-1153
The fight for a power, money... And its not a first incarnation, where are these two different views. Many times I have been at energy field of this Karmapa and I know it. This is Karmapa, who works for good of beings! (sorry for my english :)).
Additionally 16th appointed sharmapa. Therefore he had primary decision and did so correctly regardless of a later claimed letter suddenly found after, the decision was his to make
Regarding the criticism of the guru's gestures, manner, mistakes, etc. A true student sees them all as teaching. See them all as blessing, and see them all as doorways to enter the Dharma. They may point out to you your own shallow silliness, your attachment, a direction to go in practice, or a mirror of yourself you may need to look at more carefully. Or all of these at once, since many beings with many levels of understanding are present, not just human beings. Buddhas teach in sixty different ways of voice. You may not be able to hear all of them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Don't criticize, learn! Be like the Virgin Mary,"She kept all these things and pondered them in her heart." The greatest fault and weakness of westerners is pride and arrogance, certainty that they know everything. However, that is not necessarily true, is it? Thank goodness! The world is full of wonder! If you are wise, you will see all teachers as your teacher, and all teachers as one teacher. The universe becomes your teacher, if you look.
louis g you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century! Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity. Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be .., There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
I wad 7 when o met the 16th Karmapa. I met uygen and that's. Ugyen laughed and didn't give a teaching seriously rolling his eyes. Tjaye always is kind serious and reflects true compassion. While humor is shown I good spirit, hw is forward. Urgen mocked a reaching and no true guru would.
+Scott Diiorio Yeah, definitely. Our precious Guru Trinley Thaye Dorje is real living Buddha. His teachings, communication with devotees, attitude and spirits are GREAT. May our GURU live long and always be healthy.
I think it's entirely possible, that the Karmapa, chose to incarnate, into more than one body. Demonstrating, the duality of everything and His Divine nature, it is unusual but entirely within His capabilities. For He is, the Living Buddha, no less and an emanation of Buddha Maitreya, whose coming is imminent. Which I might add, is a good thing and timely..
I enjoyed the question at 9.15 and the answer. Somethin I have struggled with myself, the best path forward for us collectively. I realise the controversy and confusion over two Karmapas being enthroned etc but I enjoyed this question and answer.
kyapsuche! At this stage of his life he should go through the process of listenening in academic setting, Then to meditate, Then Practice. His time to teach will come after that. shu mi nye dusum khyenpa rey
9-12-2020 12:51pm the interviewer is ignorant about the 10th Shamar's activities . 9-12-2020 12:32:37(pm)………Question for Thaye Dorje::::::::::::was the 10th Shamar Chodrup Gyatso a subversive tulku???:::::::::: With regard to the 10th Shamar Chodrup Gyatso( “the one with a wart on his right hand and a birthmark on his face” ) I need clarification from the Thaye Dorje about the 10th Shamar-Gurkha-property-Tibet-Manchu events that led to , among others , the 10th Shamar to commit suicide by taking poison in Nepal , Yangpachen and estates confiscated , the Shamars Vajra Crown confiscated , and Shamar incarnations banned(since 1793? to about 1963? ). Nothing is mentioned at www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/::::::::::: , and shamarpa.org/history/the-10th-shamarpa-mipam-chodrup-gyamtso-1742-1792/ . WHY IS THIS INFORMATION SUPPRESSED OR WITHHELD ? Please refer to One Hundred Thousand Moons by Tsepon Wangchuk Deden Shakabpa Volume 1 (ISBN 978 90 04 17788 8) e.g. book pages 508 , 510 , 511 , 533 , 538 , 555 note 40………………..excerpts……. Book Page 510:::::: That very night Decho Trulku and his retinue secretly left for Tibet while Zhamarwa promised to remain as a hostage. Book Page 511:::::::: In the sixth month of 1787, Gurkha troops suddenly attacked Nyanang , Rongshar , and Kyidrong with Zhamarwa ’s servant Karma Chokjin serving as the guide to the various areas. Book Page 533:::::: Lama Zhamarwa , unable to bear the shame for what he had done, ate poison and died. Book Page 533::::::: Bahadur Shah[the uncle of theGurkha king] said: There is no way we should avoid considering the unity of Gurkhas, Tibetans, and Indians. However, since Zhamarwa was the Panchen Lama’s brother, he was frustrated that he had not been given his recently deceased brother’s possessions. Thus, he insisted that an army be sent to Trashi Lhunpo . Consequently, since the Gurkha king had high regard for Zhamarwa’s intellectual work, he complied, feeling it was difficult to refuse. Now, [Zhamarwa] was also forced to take poison and die.
Good morning karma pala. He is orginiol karmapa recarnation coming.17galway karmapa. Iam very lucky. Hello two time. Meet. All Sikkim people are waiting .I am write ng I n the Hindi. Please india government request jaldi hamara guru karmapa jaldi Sikkim maiy ahajayae. Sikkim ka log pura intejar may hai.thanks. Jai bharat jai hind.
Everyone is free to decide, and the Karmapas have nothing to do with the "big controversy". Be enlightened in your response though instead of blurting out second hand opinions.
You are reincarnation of king langdarma !! Stupid dumb!! Did your leader HH Dalai Lama taught you this kind of behavior?? Or CTA taught you ?? egoist, jealousy! Bullying others is in your DNA right ?? Did you ever try to investigate karmapa reincarnation controversies based on facts , rationale, tradition connection?? You even heard off dark side of Situ rinpoche played dirty politics with CTA , Gaden phodrang ,Tsurphu labrang in Tibet with The help of Chinese officials to gain public support !!!do you think is it easy to hold an scared throne by ordinary people ? He has been respected and excel in vast majority Buddhist country’s such as Singapore, Taiwan, Malaysia, Japan, Bhutan, Hong Kong , established more thane 600 dharma teaching center all over the world ! Do you think those countries citizens are stupid dumb like you guys ??? !!
Tsering Dorjee I fully support all the above view points ,and I supplicate ogyen Dohdul Tilay Dorje, from the bottom, pf my heart. Karmapa ogyen Dohdul Tinlay Dorje chenno. × 1000 times.
I respect him but he is not Karmapa. Huge fault of late shamar rinpoche. He broke the samaya . I pray that thaye dorjee himself will withdraw voluntarily frm being carrying the false name of Karmapa n make a friendship with Real Karmapa Ugyen Thinley Dorjee n dharma will shine for whole sentient being. Ema ho!
oh well in that case, i respect your karmapa too but he is not karmapa. Huuuge Hugeee fault of Situ rinpoche and dalai lama (who shouldnt even be getting involved in the kagyupa lineage in the first place) . He is the one who broke the real shamaya. i pray that urgyen thinley dorjee will withdraw from carrying the false name of karmapa and no need to make friendship with the Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje because his holiness does not like to get involved into political issues and does not try to make friendship with everyone in order to like him. Thank you very much.
jangchups you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century! Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity. Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be .., There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
Stupid fellas.... if u guys can understand tibetan language den hear wat shamar said in his response to gaden phodrang letter regarding the karmapa controvery... its in youtube.... he clearly acknowledged that during meetin wit H.HDL... every1 has agreed to his holiness choice n den later on shamar brought thaye n his famly frm tibet as his choice... den at gyaya at meetin wit HHDL ,shamar has requested for HH to ordain the thaye as other one n that too was accepted ... n all u stupid ass ppl who says HHDL has no right to interfere in kagyu lineage... jus study the kagyu n tibet history 1st... if u dnt knw den the previous 16th karmapa was also recognised by gaden phodrang... HHDL was den the religious n temporal head of tibet... never it had been said he s gelug head...dats y he seeks teachin from diff high lama sects ... jus hear wat shamar has to say abt ogyen trinley n his utmost respect to HHDL...
Tenzin migmar Yes of course I have seen the video clips response from the shamar to Gaden phodrang ! Shamar requested his holiness to withdraw the candidate but his holiness declined the request as his holiness already declared to public, thats is shamar side ,just to inform you that Ugyen Thinley Dorjee was recognized and replaced on throne based on previous karmapa secret relic kept inside the locate which was given to Situ by 16th karmapa , so Situ rinpoche and Chinese authorities claimed he is true karmapa, but Situ rinpoche refused to send that secret relic Letter to forensic investigation! ! Later he seek support from CTA and gaden phodrang to gain majority public supports , I don’t want history lesson from you about Tibet ! I know each very parts of Tibetan history since Buddhism was arrived, I respect too much his holiness Dalai Lama decision on non sectarian, non violence, etc ..., Let me ask you some fews question regarding karmapa controversy. Why Situ rinpoche refused to send secret letter to forensic examinations ?? Why Chinese government has accepted karmapa reincarnation while Penchen Lama reincarnation was declined chosen by their own and it goes same to future Dalai Lama reincarnation???
Having an answer by something so unreal as 'feelings'? At my best beliefs as a buddhist, I must say, only they know. Nevertheless, one is working for China, the other is a freelancers. Not need for real throne to be FREE.
+Rinchen tsering If you are a real Buddhist or real Tibetan you must wish good things for all sentient beings, don't you? That's why you just leave him in peace! We are not Tibetan but we so so deeply love our GURU XVII Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje! If some bad things will happen with him all BUDDHISM, HH Dalai Lama, and Ogyen TD's reputation will fall down on the ground! Keep it in mind!!! World is just not for Ogyen TD or Tibetans! World is for our's and even for Muslims, Christians!!! Remember it! Leave him just with us!
Rinchen tsering you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century! Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity. Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be .., There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
Dorje Rinchen HH the 14th Falai Lama has not approved this self styled Karmapa, This Thaye Dorje wasfaked by shamarpa,but shamarpa himself Was faked by Mr Topga , a strong man in Rumteg in early sixties, At the time of the 16th Karmapa,in fact ,Topga, was a causin to the 16th Karmapa and that is why he was able to go against the plan of the Karmapa at that time,and fake Shamarpa was installed. Shamarpas incarnated life was always dark and cloudy, Preior to 1959, Shamarpas incarnation was banned by the Tibetan Government for his anti government activities ,for many many decade shamar was not allowed to be thrown d The story says that,for some reasons,shamar ran away ,surrendered to Ghorkha (Nepal) government brought in ghorkha army to Tibet.So, the the Tie betan 0government asked got help of the Chines Government,and drove away the Ghorkha army ,banned Shamarpas incarnation,and converted the shamars m,onatry to Gelug ,monstry THEN IN EARLY 60s the 16th Karmapa got special permission toenthown Shamar after many decades,and looking for the Rt candidate but an OPportunist Topga substituted his own causin to be the Shamarpa and from that onwrads Shamar became an arrogant pillar in Romteg monsstry .At last shamar succeeded in installing Thaye Dorje . a bolt from the blue ,without smy norms and formalities Karmapa chenno Ohyen Dohdul Trenlay Dorje chenno.
Long live 17th karmapa... Bless & guide us with your divine knowledge blessings.... 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you your Holiness... I love your commitment to help all sentient brings!!!
Covered many topics in Tibetan Buddhism! thank you! Karmapa Chenno!
Great Wisdom..H.Holiness's interpretation or answer on all aspects of Buddhism is very impressive..Karmapa Khenno
Long life to His Holiness the 17th Karmapa🌈🙏🏻
Its not about smile, Its about his heart, his actions.
tough questions, all answered well. i think this guy is well versed in buddhism concept and just checking rinpoche's wisdom..
I love this discussion!! Great interview
Dear beloved Buddha, thank you very much. 💖💖💖
it is really great show , Thanks for this kind of program will go on n on sir. Karmapa chenno !!!
Confusing .. He's the "other" 17th Karmarpa but he's obviously a very learned and venerable man .. Perhaps best just to see both Karmarpas as being learned and venerable teachers.
mis hermanos en el Dharma..., sois las valiosas joyas que voy encontrando..., en el sendero del camino..., hacia el abandono del sufrimiento de samsara..., y por el beneficio de tod@s l@s seres del ciclo de existencias..., podamos tod@s alcanzar la iluminacion..., Gampopa 1073-1153
The disputes happened many times in Tibet history,but all the disputes were solved peacefully by compassion.
He doesn't need anybody's certificate to be the real Karmapa.
You hippies are anyway learning Buddhism so just learn that any don't talk about anything because you don't know anythibg
What does he need to be the Karmapa?
Realization
The pure heart in person, Karmapa Chenno _/\_
I meet this karmapa in Lyon in France and I's were a great moment even if I fall the theravada
His Holiness THE KARMAPA...The Flesh Incarnation of Avalokiteshwara....
Millions of Prostrations at your lotus feet
Hi is the living Buddha
Long life Karmapa Khenno
🙏🌺🙏🌺🙏🌺
The fight for a power, money... And its not a first incarnation, where are these two different views. Many times I have been at energy field of this Karmapa and I know it. This is Karmapa, who works for good of beings! (sorry for my english :)).
Your English is great, I understood you perfectly.
Gyalwang karma pa ogyen drodhul thinly dorjee khenno ❤❤❤
Additionally 16th appointed sharmapa. Therefore he had primary decision and did so correctly regardless of a later claimed letter suddenly found after, the decision was his to make
Respect
Regarding the criticism of the guru's gestures, manner, mistakes, etc. A true student sees them all as teaching. See them all as blessing, and see them all as doorways to enter the Dharma. They may point out to you your own shallow silliness, your attachment, a direction to go in practice, or a mirror of yourself you may need to look at more carefully. Or all of these at once, since many beings with many levels of understanding are present, not just human beings. Buddhas teach in sixty different ways of voice. You may not be able to hear all of them, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. Don't criticize, learn! Be like the Virgin Mary,"She kept all these things and pondered them in her heart." The greatest fault and weakness of westerners is pride and arrogance, certainty that they know everything. However, that is not necessarily true, is it? Thank goodness! The world is full of wonder! If you are wise, you will see
all teachers as your teacher, and all teachers as one teacher. The universe becomes
your teacher, if you look.
Why would you follow the teaching of someone chosen by the chinese government who exiled it's religion out of tibet?
you are 100% right he is a bullshet
louis g you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century!
Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity.
Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be ..,
There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
Muy inspirador. Bendiciones
I wad 7 when o met the 16th Karmapa. I met uygen and that's. Ugyen laughed and didn't give a teaching seriously rolling his eyes. Tjaye always is kind serious and reflects true compassion. While humor is shown I good spirit, hw is forward. Urgen mocked a reaching and no true guru would.
+Scott Diiorio Yeah, definitely. Our precious Guru Trinley Thaye Dorje is real living Buddha.
His teachings, communication with devotees, attitude and spirits are GREAT.
May our GURU live long and always be healthy.
Delhi karmapa is orginiol karmapa. Thanks.
I think it's entirely possible, that the Karmapa, chose to incarnate, into more than one body. Demonstrating, the duality of everything and His Divine nature, it is unusual but entirely within His capabilities. For He is, the Living Buddha, no less and an emanation of Buddha Maitreya, whose coming is imminent. Which I might add, is a good thing and timely..
in that case they must be friends and respect each other
Actually Buddha Maitreya the Christ is already here. buddhamaitreya.org
🙏🙏🙏
Karmapa Khyenno
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Dommage que l'entrevue ne soit pas sous titré en Français.
Karmapa Cheno !
One! Karmapa Chenno! Long live to H.H!
I enjoyed the question at 9.15 and the answer. Somethin I have struggled with myself, the best path forward for us collectively.
I realise the controversy and confusion over two Karmapas being enthroned etc but I enjoyed this question and answer.
He's not the 17th karmapa lama
kyapsuche! At this stage of his life he should go through the process of listenening in academic setting, Then to meditate, Then Practice. His time to teach will come after that. shu mi nye dusum khyenpa rey
Merci !!!!
I can not understand why we have 2 Karmapa 17th ?
Because we are so lucky
Confused questions !!
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9-12-2020 12:51pm the interviewer is ignorant about the 10th Shamar's activities .
9-12-2020 12:32:37(pm)………Question for Thaye Dorje::::::::::::was the 10th Shamar Chodrup Gyatso a subversive tulku???::::::::::
With regard to the 10th Shamar Chodrup Gyatso( “the one with a wart on
his right hand and a birthmark on his face” ) I need clarification from the Thaye Dorje about the 10th Shamar-Gurkha-property-Tibet-Manchu events that led to , among others , the 10th Shamar to commit suicide by taking poison in Nepal , Yangpachen and estates confiscated , the Shamars Vajra Crown confiscated , and Shamar incarnations banned(since 1793? to about 1963? ).
Nothing is mentioned at www.karmapa.org/karma-kagyu/lives/::::::::::: , and shamarpa.org/history/the-10th-shamarpa-mipam-chodrup-gyamtso-1742-1792/ .
WHY IS THIS INFORMATION SUPPRESSED OR WITHHELD ?
Please refer to One Hundred Thousand Moons by Tsepon Wangchuk Deden Shakabpa Volume 1 (ISBN 978 90 04 17788 8) e.g. book pages 508 , 510 , 511 , 533 , 538 , 555 note 40………………..excerpts…….
Book Page 510::::::
That very night Decho Trulku and his retinue secretly left for Tibet while Zhamarwa promised to remain as a hostage.
Book Page 511::::::::
In the sixth month of 1787, Gurkha troops suddenly attacked Nyanang , Rongshar , and Kyidrong with Zhamarwa ’s servant Karma Chokjin serving as the guide to the various areas.
Book Page 533::::::
Lama Zhamarwa , unable to bear the shame for what he had done, ate poison and died.
Book Page 533:::::::
Bahadur Shah[the uncle of theGurkha king] said:
There is no way we should avoid considering the unity of Gurkhas,
Tibetans, and Indians. However, since Zhamarwa was the Panchen
Lama’s brother, he was frustrated that he had not been given his recently
deceased brother’s possessions. Thus, he insisted that an army be sent to
Trashi Lhunpo . Consequently, since the Gurkha king had high regard
for Zhamarwa’s intellectual work, he complied, feeling it was difficult to
refuse. Now, [Zhamarwa] was also forced to take poison and die.
有中文字幕顯示的嗎？
Good morning karma pala. He is orginiol karmapa recarnation coming.17galway karmapa. Iam very lucky. Hello two time. Meet. All Sikkim people are waiting .I am write ng I n the Hindi. Please india government request jaldi hamara guru karmapa jaldi Sikkim maiy ahajayae. Sikkim ka log pura intejar may hai.thanks. Jai bharat jai hind.
Karmapa Chenno 🙂🙏🏻📿💎
Everyone is free to decide, and the Karmapas have nothing to do with the "big controversy". Be enlightened in your response though instead of blurting out second hand opinions.
I expected more clarity and illustrations...but ofcourse the languages barriers hits in ...😢😢
Holy rimbucheaa chaa allwes
An interview with a Buddha!
I am confused. He is married and has a child, yet he wears a monk's dress.
Dickey Kalsang there is nothing to be confused, just go through Karma Kagyu lineages, history of karmapas... u will get answer there.
Any top monks who get married because for their long life. The 15th karmapa also got married
Karmapa kyenno
Karmapa Czienno and Namo Buddha
Not the Karmapa
karmapa chenno
he is not karmapa, he is normal Lama anyway Tibetan big rinpoche birth in Tibet
Nice interview, but why couldn’t they move those annoying kids!
duplicate karma is injoing with the money free power
He dont know speak tibetan, ahaha
🤥🤥🤥
He is not real karmapa
REINCARNATION OF MAO ZEDONG
You are reincarnation of king langdarma !! Stupid dumb!! Did your leader HH Dalai Lama taught you this kind of behavior?? Or CTA taught you ?? egoist, jealousy! Bullying others is in your DNA right ?? Did you ever try to investigate karmapa reincarnation controversies based on facts , rationale, tradition connection?? You even heard off dark side of Situ rinpoche played dirty politics with CTA , Gaden phodrang ,Tsurphu labrang in Tibet with The help of Chinese officials to gain public support !!!do you think is it easy to hold an scared throne by ordinary people ? He has been respected and excel in vast majority Buddhist country’s such as Singapore, Taiwan, Malaysia, Japan, Bhutan, Hong Kong , established more thane 600 dharma teaching center all over the world ! Do you think those countries citizens are stupid dumb like you guys ??? !!
Tsering Dorjee
I fully support all the above view points ,and I supplicate ogyen Dohdul Tilay Dorje, from the bottom, pf my heart.
Karmapa ogyen Dohdul Tinlay Dorje chenno. × 1000 times.
I respect him but he is not Karmapa. Huge fault of late shamar rinpoche. He broke the samaya . I pray that thaye dorjee himself will withdraw voluntarily frm being carrying the false name of Karmapa n make a friendship with Real Karmapa Ugyen Thinley Dorjee n dharma will shine for whole sentient being. Ema ho!
oh well in that case, i respect your karmapa too but he is not karmapa. Huuuge Hugeee fault of Situ rinpoche and dalai lama (who shouldnt even be getting involved in the kagyupa lineage in the first place) . He is the one who broke the real shamaya. i pray that urgyen thinley dorjee will withdraw from carrying the false name of karmapa and no need to make friendship with the Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje because his holiness does not like to get involved into political issues and does not try to make friendship with everyone in order to like him. Thank you very much.
Jimme lhamo is Thaye Dorji ex girlfriend. Haha Haha
jangchups you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century!
Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity.
Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be ..,
There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
Stupid fellas.... if u guys can understand tibetan language den hear wat shamar said in his response to gaden phodrang letter regarding the karmapa controvery... its in youtube.... he clearly acknowledged that during meetin wit H.HDL... every1 has agreed to his holiness choice n den later on shamar brought thaye n his famly frm tibet as his choice... den at gyaya at meetin wit HHDL ,shamar has requested for HH to ordain the thaye as other one n that too was accepted ... n all u stupid ass ppl who says HHDL has no right to interfere in kagyu lineage... jus study the kagyu n tibet history 1st... if u dnt knw den the previous 16th karmapa was also recognised by gaden phodrang... HHDL was den the religious n temporal head of tibet... never it had been said he s gelug head...dats y he seeks teachin from diff high lama sects ... jus hear wat shamar has to say abt ogyen trinley n his utmost respect to HHDL...
Tenzin migmar Yes of course I have seen the video clips response from the shamar to Gaden phodrang ! Shamar requested his holiness to withdraw the candidate but his holiness declined the request as his holiness already declared to public, thats is shamar side ,just to inform you that Ugyen Thinley Dorjee was recognized and replaced on throne based on previous karmapa secret relic kept inside the locate which was given to Situ by 16th karmapa , so Situ rinpoche and Chinese authorities claimed he is true karmapa, but Situ rinpoche refused to send that secret relic Letter to forensic investigation!
! Later he seek support from CTA and gaden phodrang to gain majority public supports ,
I don’t want history lesson from you about Tibet ! I know each very parts of Tibetan history since Buddhism was arrived,
I respect too much his holiness Dalai Lama decision on non sectarian, non violence, etc ...,
Let me ask you some fews question regarding karmapa controversy.
Why Situ rinpoche refused to send secret letter to forensic examinations ??
Why Chinese government has accepted karmapa reincarnation while Penchen Lama reincarnation was declined chosen by their own and it goes same to future Dalai Lama reincarnation???
The fake one
oi who are you. .don't just lie by thinking m karmapa ok. .u are not karmapa yer
This man is a Fake 17 H.H
this Karmapa and the other Karmapa who is legit?
it is your own decision.
I don't decide but i feel this dude is not the right one.
He is the right one. :)
Having an answer by something so unreal as 'feelings'? At my best beliefs as a buddhist, I must say, only they know. Nevertheless, one is working for China, the other is a freelancers. Not need for real throne to be FREE.
You can visit lectures both of Karmapas and then you can have a decision I think...;)
Fake karmapa
what the hell world u the interviewer is
talking ,,,He is not a Tibetan n he is not a Karmapa,he is wearing a mask of Karmapa,,,,
+Rinchen tsering
If you are a real Buddhist or real Tibetan you must wish good things for all sentient beings, don't you?
That's why you just leave him in peace! We are not Tibetan but we so so deeply love our GURU XVII Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje!
If some bad things will happen with him all BUDDHISM, HH Dalai Lama, and Ogyen TD's reputation will fall down on the ground! Keep it in mind!!!
World is just not for Ogyen TD or Tibetans! World is for our's and even for Muslims, Christians!!! Remember it!
Leave him just with us!
Rinchen tsering you have no clue about karma kagyu tradition ! As per as karma kagyu tradition Shamar rinpoche have full authority to recognize karmapa reincarnation! And they have followed this tradition over century!
Shamar rinpoche is widely known for the role he played in the crisis that engulfed the Karma Kagyu lineage following the death of the 16th Karmapa, a role that earned him immense gratitude by karma kagyu followers, He protected the Karma Kagyu tradition and his students in ways many cannot even comprehend, freeing them from sectarian hegemony and the mire of Sino-Tibetan geopolitics. And in doing so, he triumphed over unimaginable adversity.
Soo Your judgment was implemented by faith not implemented by reason , and logic !! I personally respect both Karmapa for many reason !! You cannot just simply say who is real and who is wrong without having proper knowledge! It’s possible to reincarnate 3 or 4 karmapas even more !! If need be ..,
There is no question that with the help of CTA , Gaden phodrang . Chinese government engagement with Tsurphu labrang in Tibet , Situ rinpoche played very dirty politics to gain public support!!
Whatever, he is the fake one,
You don't knw anything about.he is the only the one karmapa.
Dorje Rinchen
HH the 14th Falai Lama has not approved this self styled Karmapa,
This Thaye Dorje wasfaked by shamarpa,but shamarpa himself
Was faked by Mr Topga , a strong man in Rumteg in early sixties,
At the time of the 16th Karmapa,in fact ,Topga, was a causin to the
16th Karmapa and that is why he was able to go against the plan of the Karmapa at that time,and fake Shamarpa was installed.
Shamarpas incarnated life was always dark and cloudy, Preior to 1959,
Shamarpas incarnation was banned by the Tibetan Government for his anti government activities ,for many many decade shamar was not allowed to be thrown d The story says that,for some reasons,shamar ran away ,surrendered to Ghorkha (Nepal) government brought in ghorkha army to Tibet.So, the the Tie betan 0government asked got help of the Chines Government,and drove away the Ghorkha army ,banned Shamarpas incarnation,and converted the shamars m,onatry to Gelug ,monstry
THEN IN EARLY 60s the 16th Karmapa got special permission toenthown Shamar after many decades,and looking for the Rt candidate but an OPportunist Topga substituted his own causin to be the Shamarpa and from that onwrads Shamar became an arrogant pillar in
Romteg monsstry .At last shamar succeeded in installing Thaye Dorje .
a bolt from the blue ,without smy norms and formalities
Karmapa chenno Ohyen Dohdul Trenlay Dorje chenno.