Something not brought up about Undyne enough is that she's a massive dork. She heard all those stories about "human history" (anime) and she lapped it all up, hearing it wasn't true shattered her heart. She keeps talking about how she thoughts humans could be cool, she got alphys to help her build an impractical cosplay weapon. Undynes a big anime dork. And I almost never see this reflected in fanworks.
Some headcannon I have is that depending on what you tell her (if Anime is real or not) may influence her on encouraging her to tell Papyrus the truth some time after the Pacifist Route If you told her the truth by saying Anime isn't real, Undyne gains some encouragement to tell Papyrus sometime in the future... how far in the future? That's a question to which answer I don't know If you told her that Anime is indeed real, then Undyne doesn't get the encouragement to tell Papyrus But I guess That's just an optimisitc thought
People often ignore the fact Alphys is just as complex as Sans.. But people just find her annoying just because she doesn't have a cool Fight or anything
Yeah,she even went through stuff too and risked a very bad reputation by causing mistakes that led into consequences she hid for so long AKA the amalgamates
i mean, is hiding the truth about your horrid experiments worse than being a multiverse traveler that's being unable to come back to your friends and family because you are stuck forever due to one man thinking he's above consequences, and for that you have to feel that void of loss and guilt for years?
@@beywheelzhater8930 "You will never see them again." - Sans to himself about his insecurity of not being able to get back to wherever his friends and family were, which is also conveniet because of the picture in his lab that says "don't forget". "Just give up. I did." - Sans accepting harsh the reality of his situation and admitting that he'll have to get used to the world he can't get out of. That sells it, to me at least.
I'd call him a mega genius in his own right. Even Alphys couldn't piece together what all you can do. The man actually thought up a pretty solid strategy for beating someone who shouldn't be beatable in any meaningful way. Don't sleep on the skeletons.
Is Alphys a mega genius tho? so far i only remember 2 of her experiments, one which was fake to the outside world (she claims to have created an artificial soul with mettaton.) and one which went reaaaalky badly.
I don't think Alphys is a Genius. She is smart but I am quite a firm believer that she picked up Gaster's work. Sorry to say but all the Lab entries are not written by her. Toby Fox choose his dialogue very carefully and the fact that NO ONE recognizes Toriel as the Queen upon seeing her is a very strong contradiction to Alphys having written all the Lab Entry's. To her credit the Robot Body of Mettaton is impressive and it must have taken quite a lot of courage to handle the amalgamates for the first time.
And I got the feeling that Sans hate making promises, but he always listen to the promises unless it’s gone too far Because let’s remember, Tori asked him to make a promise
Sans’ second and third attack dialogue kinda prove he knows about alternate timelines (doesn’t directly remember them, but definitely is aware of them), But other than that I agree with pretty much everything else you said.
Chara's laugh is consistently associated with sadism throughout the game. While "laughing the pain away" is a common theme employed in Undertale, Chara does not follow these conventions. Every other instance of laughing we see them in is in a sinister context. "I see two lovers staring over the edge of the cauldron of hell. Do they both wish for death? That means their love will end in hell. I couldn't stop laughing." - Chara finds the inevitable death of the two royal guard lovers as funny. This quote is a reference to a book called "Kitchen," but Toby Fox has gone on record to state that "in general [he thinks] references are okay as long as the material stands on its own without the source material." Therefore, this quote is indicative of Chara's own mindset towards it. "You laugh, and keep laughing. It's SO funny, you can't stop. Tears run down your face. ... what? You didn't do that?" - If we assume Chara is the narrator in all routes, this is narrated when choosing the "laugh" command with Snowdrake's mother. Somebody laughing out of nervousness or a trauma response would not describe it as "funny." Chara assumes that finding her suffering "funny" is a normal response and is confused when Frisk didn't actually exhibit that behavior. The dog food bag has the narrator say "You remember something funny" if you had killed 21 or more monsters and wiped out the canine unit in Snowdin. At the end of the Genocide Route, refusing to erase the world as per their request results in them moving toward the camera while laughing with a distorted expression. We know this is laughter because of the file names "spr_truechara_laugh" In the soulless Pacifist ending, after possessing Frisk's body, the screen goes black and we hear their maniacal laugh as well. And, of course, Flowey directly tells us that Chara has "a SICK sense of humor!" Chara is definitely messed up in other ways. It seems evident they have some level of antisocial personality disorder. Painting them as an abuse victim is not substantiated beyond vague notions of them hating humanity for unspecified reasons.
@@Person76439 Ooh good stuff to point out I didn’t think of. I also like what another commenter pointed out on how Chara before any routes is different than the Chara we meet at the end of the genocide route in terms of personality or hatred/evilness. Then it’s a debate of whether they were always like this or did our actions impose this more evil mindset and power drive onto them
I’d argue Snowdrake’s mother could still be a trauma laugh,especially with the emphasis on “SO” as in like “ha ha yes I must find this funny” and the fact the tears rolling down your face could either imply hysterical laughter/or a breakdown. It’s hard to tell without an actual tone of voice especially for the “what?,you didn’t do that?” And the “it’s SO funny.” The “what?” You didn’t do that?” could be them calming down and realizing frisk did not do the same. But I’d like to note that the Snowdrake’s mother battle just so HAPPENS to be in the next room from the tapes where you hear them laughing off Asgore almost dying.
Are.. are you literally ignoring the fact that Chara broke down in TEARS while trying to laugh at Snowdrake’s mom? That’s not sadism, that’s quite the opposite! Also, every other “example”, as you yourself pointed out, is only ever met if you decide to start murdering people! Higher LV always means less empathy. So those are just not great. And speaking from personal experience… yes, people who have that response *do* describe the situation as “funny”. I know because it happened to me. Basically, I very unfortunately fell down and got hurt. I don’t think I broke anything, but the pain was kind of strong. But when I tried to figure out what exactly caused this, something just flipped in my mind and started laughing hysterically while *also* crying uncontrollably from the pain. *For, maybe, whole fifteen minutes without stopping!* My entire friend group was just standing there confused as all hell, and I was trying to explain why I find this funny and that I’m totally fine and don’t worry. And inside, I actually felt pretty terrified because what am I even doing and how do I end it, because yeah, I literally could not stop either laughing or crying. So Chara’s comment is actually *extremely* relatable!
@@Kayta-Linda You do realize that tears are a common side effect of laughing, right? I cry laugh very frequently. It is not always a stress response. Less empathy does not make you a sadist. That is not an excuse for them. We know Chara actually finds it funny and not as a coping mechanism because there's also the option to "heckle," where they explain awful things they assume Frisk says before realizing Frisk never said that. Heckling again has Chara actively heckle Snowdrake's mom themself by saying "You call that a performance?" You are projecting your personal bias onto Chara without considering their behavior as a whole. In the actual context, Chara is not being relatable here unless you are a sadist.
I really hate the fact that everyone makes chara out to be a huge demon villain They went to mount ebott for a reason. They were already mentally unstable and the fact that they also lost their soul and is able to be influenced by your actions just goes to show how much the player is the villain, depending on what the player does. Same goes for flowey
7:37 if you don’t save in undertale and reach to the judgement hall sans will mention this and say something like “ shouldn’t you save” meaning he is aware of some things about timelines and resets. Anyway good video 👍.
the worst thing about the fanbase is how they misunderstand the canon versions of the characters. the reason we call them fanon sans or fanon chara or whatever is because they are the versions of the characters the fans made because they didn't observe better
the misinformation spreads so easily when people only consume fanmade media of this game, so entire plot points and character arcs get watered down into their most simplest forms. but they also forget really interesting things about characters. let me give a list of the Why Don't We Talk About This/Why Didn't We Talk About This in 2016 - asgore is aware of resets - asgore doesn't want to win just because he's guilty. think about it. after killing 7 humans and absorbing their souls, he would have to kill EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH. possibly BILLIONS of people. and he could probably take ALL OF THEIR SOULS and become stronger??? he isn't childish enough to want to play god like flowey and chara do. he promised the entire underground that he'd free them, but backed himself into a corner where the only way to free them was to commit something so heinous he and his people KNOW the pain of. it just got to the point where he felt like the only way out was death (and killing himself in certain neutral runs). it's extremely tragic. - regarding that, the humans basically committed genocide against the monsters. we have watered that down for LONG ENOUGH - toriel and asgore have lived for CENTURIES, if not longer - don't let her mannerisms fool you, toriel is the fun mom. and a really fun friend to be around, too. this isn't stated in the game, but a fact about her in undertale AND deltarune is that when she drinks, she's a party animal. i love her sm HAHAH - the previous humans are implied to have been able to reset - sans might be able to stop time - papyrus could be just as aware as sans of timelines. ("IS SANS PRANKING YOU ACROSS TIME AND SPACE? I HATE IT WHEN HE DOES THAT!") - the neutral endings are phenominal and i need more fanworks about them before i make one myself. as a bonus: i feel like sans probably plays up how much he can tell from looking at someone's expression. i feel like he either: - has timeline reports ("our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum.") (WHO THE FUCK IS "OUR???") - is very in tune with the deja vu that he can gauge how many times it's been. might explain why he stops being able to keep count. - actually, it's very interesting how he stops keeping count. ignoring the fact toby wouldn't want to write that many jokes, it's almost as if he "can't keep count" because he's either a. tired of doing it, or b. he genuinely can't keep track. that MIGHT imply he remembers to a degree, because if you had no memory of doing it before... you couldn't be "too tired of doing it", and you're more likely to "lose track". but he does include himself as someone who won't remember resets ("we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right?") , so eh... put that one on the back burner anyway sorry for the long comment, i just have so many things to say :3 i liked your video!!!
eh, sans is a smart guy, he even remembers his probably friends or family on a photo. oh yeah, also, i bet he has that uhh old guy he's working with or not, i guess.
The "our" is probably Alphys, she's the one who actually knows about other Universes. (You get the dislogue after saying she has a crush on "Don't Know")
One more thing I feel people need to remember is that no one remembers anything after a True reset, meaning any characters that would remember timelines or resets would only remember the bad or neutral ones. Also, I follow the idea that while Sans doesn't remember the events of the resets, he would remember his feelings toward people from them, like his suspicion of the human and his dislike of them.
@@SerialRedermurWell ill give you an infamous example. Eiki Shiki. In canon, she's polite, patient and pretty tall. In fanon, she's an angry loli who sends people to hell because of breast size.
Most of the characters in Undertale are traumatized because they've been trapped in a prison with no escape for who knows how long. And there's a saying we have - sometimes people laugh because otherwise they would weep. So yeah, Chara's creepy smile/laughter is not an indication of them being "evil".
I hate that People still try to say that cHaRa Is EvIl stick, when clearly she is so much more then that. Yes she isnt the best Person, yes she wanted to get revenge on Humanity for causing her pain, BUT, and thats the major BUT; She wanted to help Monsterkind and sacreficed herself so she could. She wanted to Help Monsterkind, but died doing so. Chara is NOT A Evil Demon child, Chara is a troubled Child you Anti-Consequence taking Peeps that need to shift the blame to someone else.
Wait, hold on... Goku is misunderstood, even by the authors because *GT EXISTS* Anime exists in Undertale, since Chara fell in 201X they could easily have known. _Therefore Goku DOES exist in Undertale._
Man, I wish we knew more about Chara. They're such a important and interesting character that we get little to no info on. It would be cool to have a short game either about the events of before Undertale with why Chara went down Mt.Ebott and became the first fallen human, or one about the war of humans and monsters (This one wouldn't have anything to do with Chara but I still want it). Chara needs more info and knowledge on, unlike Gaster who is way less important to the story. We don't even know how Chara acts or talks outside of small bits of the Ture Lab tapes, since Chara at the end of Geno isn't even Chara when they were alive. It's on the same lines on how Flowey isn't Asriel. It's Chara after they lost there soul, but were woken up. (Since you fell on their grave, how rude). And, something I don't understand that is just on me most likely, why was Ghost Chara so powerful, how did they destroy everything. Like, it's kinda based how they stopped your victory, one shot you, took your soul, made you think about what you done in a corner, in a matter of minutes. But, how did they do that, how did they erase everything, literally everything was gone, every timeline, reset, etc. And even brought it all back, not because they needed your soul to do it, but because they wouldn't do it unless you made a deal. It's cool, but I'm missing something.
I always thought that the reason Sans knows about resets is due to all the times Flowey reset until he learned everything and started to keep to himself like Through all those resets sans ended up getting hit with bits and parts of timelines that just got reset, and also It could be that Flowey's resets have a higher chance of normal monsters remembering parts of the previous timeline due him only having just enough determination to reset.
Two reasons I personally don’t like Alphys: 1: She acts a lot like me, but just different enough that it’s really awkward for me every time she’s on screen 😅 2: Her entire friendship with Frisk was built on lies. She kept claiming that she was helping Frisk throughout Hotlands, when in reality she was the reason for most of Frisk’s obstacles. Heck, she’s even the reason Mettaton is so ‘obsessed’ with taking a human soul; he doesn’t really want or need it, but Alphys needed a villain to save Frisk from. I do think her friendship with Frisk becomes real as the story progresses, but it’s different from the other characters, who usually started as Frisk’s enemies, but became friends despite it all. The start of Alphys’ friendship with Frisk is disingenuous, and so her character just doesn’t really sit right with me. I kinda wish more people would talk about how messed up THAT mistake is (literally manipulating Frisk’s journey to be more dangerous and lying about it just so she could feel important), rather than focus on the whole Amalgamates thing, because let’s be real, none of us would have handled that any better 💀 Also, why does everyone always forget that Chara literally destroys the entire universe at the end of genocide? Like yeah, I know that the reason it happens at all is because of us, but even if you say no, they do it anyway. That’s a whole different genocide of their own making, because they’re killing both the monsters that evacuated AND all of humanity, and it’s wholly their own proposition and decision. I don’t really consider them ‘evil’, though, because they were brought back by our own LV and also no longer have a soul, but this still makes them morally gray at best. Alive Chara seemed a lot better though. Still flawed and at least a little bit unethical, but they DID die to free the monster race, so...
If sans knew about you coming back from death he would change his attack order. Every time you start a battle with sans, his attack are always in the same order as last time
The facts I hate from the fandom are Gaster made dt and discrediting Alphys Paps d goat is weak.He is clearly strong. Sans is God like and all knowing Gaster falls in the core -It’s his own creation not specifically the core. And lastly Sans haves a flaming eye He doesn’t not he haves flicking eyes
Fandom comics be like- Hehehe erase MY BROTHER Chara-Kills people with no effort GASTER made dt and test and eirjebdix sans….. WHO the hell is a Alphys Defeats asgore right before sans SANS AND CHARA FIGGHT Chara-It been ten years Frisk-Sansa pie hellllpp Gaster and sans -🛩️. 🔥🔥🔥🔥 ✈️ Flash backs- ERASE WHAT EVERYONE IS EDGY BUT HOW HUMAN,I REMEMBER YOU GENOCIDE FLOWEY -🥹 chara don’t kill me 😭 sans …. HELLP What sup-I’m a sans or a gaster from a different universe,I here to take you (or give you power) Gsans- 🤗 ok there is nothing in the world left anyway The humans outside 👁️🫦👁️
I will say Sans is still a genius, not as much as people say but still one. The fact he has studied and knows expressions is a completely out of world concept, and the way he words it seems to be less intuition and more knowledge; so I doubt it’e the deja vu. Sans studies quantum physics on his spare time, and he’s involved in the reports where he figured out timeline existed, including the save mechanics, and the ability DT can grant them on No Mercy (The Erase). And he should’ve had some intelligence if he worked alongside Alphys. Chara: I completely agree. I’d say less mentally ill and more so because they were born in an environment where there was a lack of empathy, they had trouble expressing it. Because Chara was responsible for poisoning Asgore, they likely felt they were a little bit of a failure. The term “laugh it off” usually refers to “brushing off something.” I sometime even do it, when I mess up, I laugh it off as a type of coping mechanism. The fact the narrator in the fight right after the tapes of Asriel/Chara laughs off the Amalagamate in a poor state, are surprised that Frisk doesn’t do that, and they even say “but it isn’t funny.” Tells more to that.
I really love the extra bit of characterization Chara got in the newest Deltarune newsletter. I feel like it really explains how they might have been predisposed to some bad behavior because of past trauma. With more context i find it pretty sad seeing them getting pushed to the extreme in the no mercy route.
Chara is the one I relate to the most. Which may not sound that good, but still. Chara reminds me of myself. maybe it’s just because of my past, and a little bit of my present
Sans is also weaker if you haven’t killed that many people because of karma so that’s one reason why I think he at the end, he can see your love and xp because he wouldn’t know how many have killed in the ruins and how many love you have got.
Asgore is one of the most slept on characters in this entire series. The fandom be hating on this guy for no reason and I wish more AUs actually delve into him. Underfell made bro a cruel warlord who literally didnt care if his son died, that is what I want to see. *ALTERATIONS* of Asgore, but more AUs keep on d^ckriding Sans till heaven gates open up. Asgore got so much story to him and people is brush him aside, cut the goat some love world. Bro had to dealt with a War, An L, his 2 children dying, a Divorce, had to rule a Kingdom by himself, had to fight depression, had to slaughter CHILDREN not by his overall will, and in the neutral end he straight up kills himself! *HE. GOD. DANG. KILLS HIMSELF!* Sans on the other hand I will not lie is a very interesting character, but the fandom kinda ruined his overall character. Now I dont believe him to be aware of what you can do in the case of Flowey outright telling you. However, he seemingly aware that you can somewhat *SAVE* since in one of the neutral runs he outright calls you out on it Sans It's been a while. Sans Shouldn't you SAVE? However, I feel like this is more so of the fact he and someone else, most likely alphys, has gotten information on the timelines jumping left and right. Why do I suspect that the helper is Alphys? Because who else would fit the bill. Gaster is GONE, and Flowey actively despises Sans more than any other character. A lot of the fandom loves sleeping on Alphys overall intelligence.
@@darktooth4576 It generally depends. He can actually kill himself. You just gotta slay flowey on a neutral route, and then spare Asgore the next time. Think about all the struggles he has face. My dude doesnt even want to kill you, he is at his peak of depression. He has essentially lost everything and bestowed his people hope, hope that is breaking him down even further for each child slain.
BRO THIS IS FACTS 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️ The fandom have no creativity,They make decrease 6 ft down lazy being with cracks and color eyes and say “ 🤡🤡 Look it sans but he can control time and space .I bet my sans is going to win and whebehdgdbsu “. As for ships, the people in the fandom do this or pride for it had their left and right brain on low battery or in fact dead .💀 Those baby doodlers didn’t had sense to begin with. And for gaster and nonexistent fanart.They are the reason why we have “sans is god moments “ and…… they always discredit my Dino , Alphys.
@@darktooth4576 I read this as you thinking Flowey killed Asgore on his own in one of his timelines. That didn't happen, even when he killed *every other monster in the underground* he couldn't. And the Asgore we fight in Undertale isn't NEAR his full power. He's super holding back because he doesn't want to kill you, which includes him being able to dodge (Undyne during the date says she couldn't land a single hit on him for a long time, considering how easy attacking is, either they fought outside the UT Battle system or Asgore can dodge). I know you may have already known this, and I'm only saying this because I misinterpreted your comment, but sometimes I need to yell at the void.
143 subs??? There’s no way. This is one of the best character analysis videos I’ve seen on Undertale and you only have 143 subs? I’d expect at least 10k-30k.
Adding onto Sans remembering Resets If he did remember, then that would also mean you're saying Sans has Determination and used to be able to Reset. Because well, he doesn't! He doesn't remember Resets, but he can tell when one has occurred. It's also implied that Asgore knows OF Resets as well when you tell him he's killed you before.
Sans doesn’t have DT .DT is a code name and yes it is canon by the location book.DT and DETERMINATION are two different things.DT is trying to copy DETERMINATION. Now for the sans dt,He doesn’t have it.If he can blink, he can sweat,since monsters are magic.Two- the blood is what bones have , Bones in the mallow can bleed blood.We don’t see it with paps,since he hit by the neck
Man, I just want more Chara Asriel interactions, ever since I was little, there wasn't much of it, let's hope in Deltarune Asriel will have more than 50 text boxex
To add a thing,i honestly think alphys and asgore went through the worst in undertale: Alphys for the amalgamates and asgore for losing 2 kids and killed humans against his will to help his people to leave the underground which led into breaking up with toriel
Still watching this video, but I just wanted to say that we do actually know a lot about Sans and his backstory/history, connections with other characters, lore, etc. Sans is just a vague, private, secretive, tired, etc. person, and can make it hard to find out stuff about him (like for some examples, we found out about him in the Geno route, his secret room during a Pacifist route after u time travel and tell him his codes, as a Lost SOUL, etc.) We do actually know about about Sans in general, there are just some things about it and him that are mysterious, more up to interpretation, etc. So to say that he doesn't have a backstory, is just, inaccurate. I do agree, as much as I love Paps (I am more of a Sans fan, but I love Paps too), we don't really know much about his backstory/past/etc. Undyne, we do actually know stuff about her history/backstory. Like the stuff with Asgore, Paps, Alphys, and Gerson. And I think it is good. But if we got more; that would be cool. I don't think her lie to Paps was great, but to say she is a terrible friend to Paps for it, is a bit much. Again, I am not saying the lie was great. But it is a flaw (like u said) and wasn't done out of malice. And I feel like people take her saying this lie too far, and kind of demonize for it. I even see people blaming her (and Sans) for Paps getting mischaracterized. Which I don't find fair. Not saying you are demonizing her, but I have seen people taking that lie too far, and sometimes demonizing her. Saying all that, there being more closure to the lie, could have been nice. Alright, that is all I have to say for now. Will go back to watching this video.
I watched some more of the video. I am happy you think Sans does at least make use of deva-jus and stuff some to do some of the stuff he does, as well, as his intelligence, knowledge, perceptiveness, and etc. I have seen some people try to argue that he doesn't, when doing stuff like counting ur deaths, or that he remembers the least/has the least deva-jus. And I find both of those things wrong and kind of ridiculous imo. I will say though, most people in fandom nowadays don't see Sans as an all-knowing God. I see him, his character, awareness/knowledge, etc. get downplayed more than anything nowadays tbh. Which I find quite annoying. Saying that, ur section on Sans wasn't bad. I don't completely agree with some parts, but I do agree with ur Sans take more than I do a lot of others (like, as I said, already I have seen people think/say this: "I have seen some people try to argue that he doesn't, when doing stuff like counting ur deaths, or that he remembers the least/has the least deva-jus."). I will say though that Sans is more aware, at least, in the sense, that he actually knows about the time stuff going on and what they are, compared to the others getting feelings/deva-jus. Not trying to downplay the others here. Just saying he knows about them, and most of the others, don't know about them. Anyways the stuff I would have talked about how Sans is misunderstood would be pretty different, but decent section overall. I liked a lot of ur Paps section. Alright, done once again, don't know if I will continue writing more. If I don't, you at least have these two comments.
@@Dragon_Aoi I love what you said here thank you for pointing this stuff out. I agree definitely wrong to demonize Undyne for her lie when it’s a small flaw that’s either overlooked or blown up by the fandom. And thank you for the information on Sans’ backstory I was focused on the “they just appeared” in Snowdin one day and didn’t really consider information we do gain about him.
@@Dragon_Aoi True with this, I think a middle ground on Sans between thinking he’s aware of timelines vs thinking he’s smart and applied himself is better than one of the extremes. I like your point that it’s sort of a mix and there definitely is more he knows about the world than others. Thank you for the comments!
People also have to realise that Chara from the flashbacks and Chara from the Genocide Route are two separate characters. Chara from the flashbacks is a human, with a soul, dreams, and plans to enact revenge on humantiy through any means possible, Eren Yeager style (Rumbling, rumbling) Chara from the genocide route is a soulless demon, a manifestation of player's desire for power. Oh, and in post-genocide(pacifist) route.. EREN YEGA-
There is no reason to distinguish them. Unlike Flowey, who took hundreds of resets before considering killing, and had significant internal conflict over whether to actually do it, Chara exhibits none of this. They are on board, no questions asked, the moment it's triggered in the Ruins.
@@Person76439 I've seen a lot of people agree about them being "good", "innocent" or "evil" and straight up confusing characters entirely. The big misunderstanding of the character. I've heard ppl say, that Chara actually "punishes" the player, and lots of other things I don't even wanna talk about. So I find it reasonable to distinguish them.
@@Person76439 At the core, they are different characters. Different beings, that's why I distinguish them in the first place. But the community never ceases to amazingly dissapoint.
Youre correct on how the fans treat Undyne. Taking her as a caricature an ignoring any more. An in defense of Undyne. I dont believe shes a bad friend for not telling off papyrus's dreams of grandeur. Her logic was logic-ing. Its papyrus's only passion, an 9 times outta 10 when you tell someone, no you cannot achieve your one and only dream. They go to dark places, like listening to opium playlists. Now everything else you said. Take that shart back to 2016. No one has ever thought those opinions since the apex of undertale. Honestly I see more people getting crucified for having opinions like that or ever so slightly similar. Saying chara is evil will place a bounty on your head. Notice how you can find a chara defense video, but not a chara offense video. Its because theyve killed anyone who opposed their truth.
and that frisk and chara is always the same creatures in fan media especially comics, i haven't forgotten the frans fandom and nuevx's comics ruining frisk and sans....
7:42 nah he knows because some people searched the game code's and their was a message form sans that says "don't tell the other sans's I send this" or something like that.... that's mean he knows he is in a game
@@M7MD_ZN I honestly don’t mind the game files when talking abt characters bc that’s more of stuff outside the story and how the characters act, but since there are so many 4th wall breaks I wouldn’t totally rule out the idea that the game files do play into the lore so you have a good point here on how he could know; I gotta say I feel like if he knew he was in a video game specifically he’d go a little cray cray ddlc style
I don't really engage a lot with Undertale content so I think of what I have seen, maybe I've just been lucky to avoid a lot of misrepresentation of characters (unless it's less prevalent in fanworks and more prevalent in casual discussion) I've known about the idea of Chara being a demon child for many years now. I can't really place a person on who believed in the idea, but I've certainly seen it thrown around here and there. But from what I've experienced, I think Chara is handled pretty well in fanworks, even in some of the more controversial ones. I could bring up the three examples of Undertale media I've experienced in my entire life and give my thoughts on how those works handled some or all of these characters. - The Thought Having come out so soon after Undertale's release, I think The Thought did an incredible job at portraying the characters in the game. Undyne felt a little off to me, but the characterization they chose for her works for what was needed in the story. Papyrus is pretty much perfect, and plays a lot on your points here about Papyrus not openly believing everything Sans tells him. Even Toriel and Asgore I think are showcased well, but they're not the focus of this video. Alphys takes a bit of a backburner in this story so there isn't a whole lot to say on her. The stars here are definitely Sans and Chara. Sans is a bit off here, but the whole premise of The Thought is Sans going against his character and taking action, resulting in a domino effect that leaves everyone upset with him. I think after all is said and done, his character is handled fine, and it's neat to see him try and do something with what little power he has. The Thought's interpretation of Chara I think fits the bill of a kid who has no soul and has to watch someone else live their life and not get the consequences of it, which I think is pretty consistent in all three of the projects I'm thinking of here. They get a bit ornery when someone tells them they can't do something but it more or less resolves itself (by everyone else jumping in and stopping their rampage, but that's not important) - Dogs of Future Past This one took a bit longer to come out but it's definitely my favorite Undertale content that I can remember. This one gives us more Flowey characterization, but he also isn't represented in this video (or I guess overall misunderstood??) so I can skip him. Going over the characters, I don't think there's a single one that feels off in this one. Undyne and Alphys have a pretty good moment midway through the comic and the comic brings up from time to time about Alphys' screwups and her overall depression of everything going wrong AGAIN due to them helping out Frisk. It's a really hard situation and it's really cool to see Undyne just drop everything in order to help her. Though, I don't know if that really goes for or against anything said about the two here. I guess the situation just called for them to act this way. I do not actually remember Papyrus doing anything in this comic aside from bickering with Sans at one point. I suppose that's fine, as he's not one of the focuses of this story, alongside Undyne and Alphys. As for Sans, he jumpstarts the story and has some important lines, but his character isn't in the forefront in these moments like in The Thought so there isn't a whole lot to say on him here, as again, this is Flowey's story, not Sans'. One surprise appearance we get is from Chara, who decides to show up and give Sans a hard time by playing the "may I, will I" game with him. Even though they're kinda hecked up here, it's revealed that they just want the cycles to end and they're just tired. Mental trauma, for sure. I think they're handled well here even if they are just causing trouble for everyone. At the end of it all, they just ask Frisk to be removed from the cycle, which is a pretty unique take throughout these stories. And... for this third example, I'd prefer not to stay on this for too long. There's not much to say on Pap, Alphys, Undyne, or Sans here, so I'll just be including this for Chara's characterization. In Glitchtale, Chara is also shown under the interpretation of not being a demon child, but being fueled by an in-universe force of hate, and is showcased to still care for Asriel after everything. Even after that and it's shown Chara's still around, Frisk ends up giving Chara another chance and they're allowed to be happy. I bring this up not for the creator, but just as an example of what has come about from the fandom's interpretations of these characters, and how many people are willing to believe there's more to Chara than just demon child. I don't even know if it counts, but even TS!Underswap seems to have an understanding of these characters at a fundamental level. We don't see a whole lot of Alphys and Undyne in the current demo, but Sans and Papyrus seem to be handled perfectly, with even Chara having an interesting take to their personality as the playable character. But then again, I think I'm just lucky with the fanworks I've encountered over the years. Thought and Dogs are just goated, tbh.
I think with Sans you mean that he theorize about player but have no actual 100% proof of that.Same as we people theorize about aliens,God or that maybe life is just game,we all are NPC ruled by some program or about DETERMINISM OR FREE WILL.I think Sans is same.He has knowledge of quantum physic which is so close to determinism-Everything matter ,but you don't.I mean, Undertale is about Determinism and is funny to me that nobody until now speak about it most obvious message in Undertale which is even in Deltarune!It is in name!It means ,,fourth route,,.Genocide,pacifist and neutral route are in Undertale but fourth route is Deltarune itself.Delta is symbol which is so much put in both games ,∆ which resemble of element of Water.But delta is number 4 ,number for in angelic numbers is DETERMINATION.Anyway,I Asgore and Frisk should be in this video as well^^
Ngl I preferred Chara as she was originally portrayed by the fanbase, a sadistic and heartless monster that would counter Frisk's usual pacifist mindset if not doing the genocide run, Ik its two sided in the fandom if Chara is evil or not and people now going with the full on Chara being the narrator. But honestly in my opinion the good guy Chara portrayal is boring to me, I also understand that's its more the players actions and not Chara pulling the strings, but again the opposites thing fitted more for me. Also, just my opinion don't come at me like a rabid dog over it.
The reason sans doesn’t fight is that he’s too weak and needs karma to do anything, others characters would just throw their life away but sans knows that he couldn’t win even if he killed frisk once
Poor asgore gets bullied EVEN BY FANS,REALLY GUYS? SORIEL? 💀🙏 Anyway the only canon ship i think that is 100% canon is Alphys x Trash can Edit: i forgor the most iconic ones...AHEM Muffet and *METTATO-* i mean,money Asgore x CHILDRE- (this is Bondrewd reference real 🤑🤑🤑) Amalgamets x Alphys' suffering ( i wish) Undyne x BEATING THE S- and of course Sans x Ketchup And Grillby x tab. - SANS PAY YOUR [🔥💀🙏🔥]ING TAB 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Top 5 Reasons why PvZ fans are better than Undertale fans. Yeah we're just gonna asume Chara is evil cuz they killed us at the genocide run. If you ACTUALLY knew Undertale, you'd know that the more LV you get, the more deranged you get and you made Chara do so. And let's assume Chara is evil because they hate humanity and wanted revenge. Let's ship two brothers. Let's ship an adult and a child. Let's ship THREE children in one ship shall we?
LV does not make you evil. LV reduces your empathy. Flowey proves that soulless people do indeed keep their moral compass. Flowey shaved his off only after hundreds of resets. Chara is immediately on board. Chara's involvement on Genocide also has no correlation to LV. Only the kill count matters.
Only disagreement with this video is that dumbass "Sans can read your expressions!!!" Which is just a huge leap. Are you seriously telling me that with each reload, Sans knows Frisk as a person and how they behave to gague how many times they've died? Like, how is Frisk looking slightly more pissed than the other time mean that Sans by sheer luck, is able to gague that Frisk is more pissed than before. Sans should be repeating the same dialogue because he doesn't know you're getting angrier. To prove my point, Sans is keeping track of the times you died. He says so if you die enough times that he lost count. He remembers because he WAS counting. And the easiest way to debunk the notion is the fact that he literally talks to you in the Game Over screen if you spare him. His arguably most iconic line, "Get Dunked on" is from there. And btw, Asgore remembers your reloads aswell. He knowingly nods, rather than being confused. To conclude, Sans is just teasing you by acting unaware to rile you up. It's very obviously the intent. And please don't be like those obnoxious people who say "it's a gag" because that doesn't debunk the notion it happened. Undertale is already filled to the brim with gags.
The most misunderstood and best written character in the whole Undertale is Asgore but yall ain't ready for this conversation...
@@simonevo9743 You’re onto something
Preach, justice for king fluffy buns.
Agreed asgore is peak
Correct
Our lovely divorced dad is very misunderstood
Something not brought up about Undyne enough is that she's a massive dork. She heard all those stories about "human history" (anime) and she lapped it all up, hearing it wasn't true shattered her heart. She keeps talking about how she thoughts humans could be cool, she got alphys to help her build an impractical cosplay weapon. Undynes a big anime dork. And I almost never see this reflected in fanworks.
@@TheOmega669 This is so true ‼️ she’s always just strong aggressive lesbian fish in fanworks
Some headcannon I have is that depending on what you tell her (if Anime is real or not) may influence her on encouraging her to tell Papyrus the truth some time after the Pacifist Route
If you told her the truth by saying Anime isn't real, Undyne gains some encouragement to tell Papyrus sometime in the future... how far in the future? That's a question to which answer I don't know
If you told her that Anime is indeed real, then Undyne doesn't get the encouragement to tell Papyrus
But I guess That's just an optimisitc thought
People often ignore the fact Alphys is just as complex as Sans..
But people just find her annoying just because she doesn't have a cool Fight or anything
@@saanPitza718 FACTS
Yeah,she even went through stuff too and risked a very bad reputation by causing mistakes that led into consequences she hid for so long AKA the amalgamates
i mean, is hiding the truth about your horrid experiments worse than being a multiverse traveler that's being unable to come back to your friends and family because you are stuck forever due to one man thinking he's above consequences, and for that you have to feel that void of loss and guilt for years?
@@GospodinWolfwell one of these is mostly theory based
The other is one of the most horrific segments in undertale
@@beywheelzhater8930 "You will never see them again." - Sans to himself about his insecurity of not being able to get back to wherever his friends and family were, which is also conveniet because of the picture in his lab that says "don't forget". "Just give up. I did." - Sans accepting harsh the reality of his situation and admitting that he'll have to get used to the world he can't get out of.
That sells it, to me at least.
Sans is still a genius but not a mega genius like alphys.
That's about it.
@@SansINess53 Real
I'd call him a mega genius in his own right. Even Alphys couldn't piece together what all you can do. The man actually thought up a pretty solid strategy for beating someone who shouldn't be beatable in any meaningful way. Don't sleep on the skeletons.
I mean, he traveled between worlds, of course he is a genius.
Is Alphys a mega genius tho? so far i only remember 2 of her experiments, one which was fake to the outside world (she claims to have created an artificial soul with mettaton.) and one which went reaaaalky badly.
I don't think Alphys is a Genius. She is smart but I am quite a firm believer that she picked up Gaster's work. Sorry to say but all the Lab entries are not written by her. Toby Fox choose his dialogue very carefully and the fact that NO ONE recognizes Toriel as the Queen upon seeing her is a very strong contradiction to Alphys having written all the Lab Entry's. To her credit the Robot Body of Mettaton is impressive and it must have taken quite a lot of courage to handle the amalgamates for the first time.
And I got the feeling that Sans hate making promises, but he always listen to the promises unless it’s gone too far
Because let’s remember, Tori asked him to make a promise
Sans’ second and third attack dialogue kinda prove he knows about alternate timelines (doesn’t directly remember them, but definitely is aware of them), But other than that I agree with pretty much everything else you said.
Asgore the most downplayed character in the fandom
Chara's laugh is consistently associated with sadism throughout the game.
While "laughing the pain away" is a common theme employed in Undertale, Chara does not follow these conventions. Every other instance of laughing we see them in is in a sinister context.
"I see two lovers staring over the edge of the cauldron of hell. Do they both wish for death? That means their love will end in hell. I couldn't stop laughing." - Chara finds the inevitable death of the two royal guard lovers as funny. This quote is a reference to a book called "Kitchen," but Toby Fox has gone on record to state that "in general [he thinks] references are okay as long as the material stands on its own without the source material." Therefore, this quote is indicative of Chara's own mindset towards it.
"You laugh, and keep laughing. It's SO funny, you can't stop. Tears run down your face. ... what? You didn't do that?" - If we assume Chara is the narrator in all routes, this is narrated when choosing the "laugh" command with Snowdrake's mother. Somebody laughing out of nervousness or a trauma response would not describe it as "funny." Chara assumes that finding her suffering "funny" is a normal response and is confused when Frisk didn't actually exhibit that behavior.
The dog food bag has the narrator say "You remember something funny" if you had killed 21 or more monsters and wiped out the canine unit in Snowdin.
At the end of the Genocide Route, refusing to erase the world as per their request results in them moving toward the camera while laughing with a distorted expression. We know this is laughter because of the file names "spr_truechara_laugh"
In the soulless Pacifist ending, after possessing Frisk's body, the screen goes black and we hear their maniacal laugh as well.
And, of course, Flowey directly tells us that Chara has "a SICK sense of humor!"
Chara is definitely messed up in other ways. It seems evident they have some level of antisocial personality disorder. Painting them as an abuse victim is not substantiated beyond vague notions of them hating humanity for unspecified reasons.
@@Person76439 Ooh good stuff to point out I didn’t think of. I also like what another commenter pointed out on how Chara before any routes is different than the Chara we meet at the end of the genocide route in terms of personality or hatred/evilness. Then it’s a debate of whether they were always like this or did our actions impose this more evil mindset and power drive onto them
I like the narrator theory for chara.
I’d argue Snowdrake’s mother could still be a trauma laugh,especially with the emphasis on “SO” as in like “ha ha yes I must find this funny” and the fact the tears rolling down your face could either imply hysterical laughter/or a breakdown.
It’s hard to tell without an actual tone of voice especially for the “what?,you didn’t do that?” And the “it’s SO funny.”
The “what?” You didn’t do that?” could be them calming down and realizing frisk did not do the same.
But I’d like to note that the Snowdrake’s mother battle just so HAPPENS to be in the next room from the tapes where you hear them laughing off Asgore almost dying.
Are.. are you literally ignoring the fact that Chara broke down in TEARS while trying to laugh at Snowdrake’s mom? That’s not sadism, that’s quite the opposite!
Also, every other “example”, as you yourself pointed out, is only ever met if you decide to start murdering people! Higher LV always means less empathy. So those are just not great.
And speaking from personal experience… yes, people who have that response *do* describe the situation as “funny”. I know because it happened to me. Basically, I very unfortunately fell down and got hurt. I don’t think I broke anything, but the pain was kind of strong. But when I tried to figure out what exactly caused this, something just flipped in my mind and started laughing hysterically while *also* crying uncontrollably from the pain. *For, maybe, whole fifteen minutes without stopping!* My entire friend group was just standing there confused as all hell, and I was trying to explain why I find this funny and that I’m totally fine and don’t worry. And inside, I actually felt pretty terrified because what am I even doing and how do I end it, because yeah, I literally could not stop either laughing or crying.
So Chara’s comment is actually *extremely* relatable!
@@Kayta-Linda You do realize that tears are a common side effect of laughing, right? I cry laugh very frequently. It is not always a stress response.
Less empathy does not make you a sadist. That is not an excuse for them.
We know Chara actually finds it funny and not as a coping mechanism because there's also the option to "heckle," where they explain awful things they assume Frisk says before realizing Frisk never said that. Heckling again has Chara actively heckle Snowdrake's mom themself by saying "You call that a performance?"
You are projecting your personal bias onto Chara without considering their behavior as a whole. In the actual context, Chara is not being relatable here unless you are a sadist.
I really hate the fact that everyone makes chara out to be a huge demon villain
They went to mount ebott for a reason. They were already mentally unstable and the fact that they also lost their soul and is able to be influenced by your actions just goes to show how much the player is the villain, depending on what the player does. Same goes for flowey
7:37 if you don’t save in undertale and reach to the judgement hall sans will mention this and say something like “ shouldn’t you save” meaning he is aware of some things about timelines and resets. Anyway good video 👍.
the worst thing about the fanbase is how they misunderstand the canon versions of the characters. the reason we call them fanon sans or fanon chara or whatever is because they are the versions of the characters the fans made because they didn't observe better
@@Gamegedon.900 Real they always oversimplify the characters and they still act cool and likable but become fanon versions at that point
the misinformation spreads so easily when people only consume fanmade media of this game, so entire plot points and character arcs get watered down into their most simplest forms. but they also forget really interesting things about characters. let me give a list of the Why Don't We Talk About This/Why Didn't We Talk About This in 2016
- asgore is aware of resets
- asgore doesn't want to win just because he's guilty. think about it. after killing 7 humans and absorbing their souls, he would have to kill EVERY HUMAN ON EARTH. possibly BILLIONS of people. and he could probably take ALL OF THEIR SOULS and become stronger??? he isn't childish enough to want to play god like flowey and chara do. he promised the entire underground that he'd free them, but backed himself into a corner where the only way to free them was to commit something so heinous he and his people KNOW the pain of. it just got to the point where he felt like the only way out was death (and killing himself in certain neutral runs). it's extremely tragic.
- regarding that, the humans basically committed genocide against the monsters. we have watered that down for LONG ENOUGH
- toriel and asgore have lived for CENTURIES, if not longer
- don't let her mannerisms fool you, toriel is the fun mom. and a really fun friend to be around, too. this isn't stated in the game, but a fact about her in undertale AND deltarune is that when she drinks, she's a party animal. i love her sm HAHAH
- the previous humans are implied to have been able to reset
- sans might be able to stop time
- papyrus could be just as aware as sans of timelines. ("IS SANS PRANKING YOU ACROSS TIME AND SPACE? I HATE IT WHEN HE DOES THAT!")
- the neutral endings are phenominal and i need more fanworks about them before i make one myself.
as a bonus: i feel like sans probably plays up how much he can tell from looking at someone's expression. i feel like he either:
- has timeline reports ("our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum.") (WHO THE FUCK IS "OUR???")
- is very in tune with the deja vu that he can gauge how many times it's been. might explain why he stops being able to keep count.
- actually, it's very interesting how he stops keeping count. ignoring the fact toby wouldn't want to write that many jokes, it's almost as if he "can't keep count" because he's either a. tired of doing it, or b. he genuinely can't keep track. that MIGHT imply he remembers to a degree, because if you had no memory of doing it before... you couldn't be "too tired of doing it", and you're more likely to "lose track". but he does include himself as someone who won't remember resets ("we'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right?") , so eh... put that one on the back burner
anyway sorry for the long comment, i just have so many things to say :3 i liked your video!!!
@@mysteriam9679 So true about the neutral endings justice for them. Thank you for bringing all this up I like what you said!
eh, sans is a smart guy, he even remembers his probably friends or family on a photo. oh yeah, also, i bet he has that uhh old guy he's working with or not, i guess.
The "our" is probably Alphys, she's the one who actually knows about other Universes. (You get the dislogue after saying she has a crush on "Don't Know")
One more thing I feel people need to remember is that no one remembers anything after a True reset, meaning any characters that would remember timelines or resets would only remember the bad or neutral ones. Also, I follow the idea that while Sans doesn't remember the events of the resets, he would remember his feelings toward people from them, like his suspicion of the human and his dislike of them.
Hello from the Touhou fandom, we have been suffering from this for an eternity and it will never end.
Uhh, go into detail? What do mean.
@@SerialRedermurevery character has been mischaracterized horribly.
@@AccordionCirno Where can I see this first hand.
@@SerialRedermurWell ill give you an infamous example. Eiki Shiki. In canon, she's polite, patient and pretty tall. In fanon, she's an angry loli who sends people to hell because of breast size.
@@AccordionCirno one to one hundred in a second.. I guess a joke from somewhere was blown outta proportion.
Most of the characters in Undertale are traumatized because they've been trapped in a prison with no escape for who knows how long. And there's a saying we have - sometimes people laugh because otherwise they would weep. So yeah, Chara's creepy smile/laughter is not an indication of them being "evil".
I hate that People still try to say that cHaRa Is EvIl stick, when clearly she is so much more then that.
Yes she isnt the best Person, yes she wanted to get revenge on Humanity for causing her pain, BUT, and thats the major BUT; She wanted to help Monsterkind and sacreficed herself so she could. She wanted to Help Monsterkind, but died doing so.
Chara is NOT A Evil Demon child, Chara is a troubled Child you Anti-Consequence taking Peeps that need to shift the blame to someone else.
@@TSamuel808 REALLL
The most misunderstood character in undertale is my goat
Goku
Wait, hold on...
Goku is misunderstood, even by the authors because *GT EXISTS*
Anime exists in Undertale, since Chara fell in 201X they could easily have known. _Therefore Goku DOES exist in Undertale._
@@CR1MSONACE Yoo brodie on to something
Man, I wish we knew more about Chara. They're such a important and interesting character that we get little to no info on.
It would be cool to have a short game either about the events of before Undertale with why Chara went down Mt.Ebott and became the first fallen human, or one about the war of humans and monsters (This one wouldn't have anything to do with Chara but I still want it).
Chara needs more info and knowledge on, unlike Gaster who is way less important to the story. We don't even know how Chara acts or talks outside of small bits of the Ture Lab tapes, since Chara at the end of Geno isn't even Chara when they were alive. It's on the same lines on how Flowey isn't Asriel. It's Chara after they lost there soul, but were woken up. (Since you fell on their grave, how rude).
And, something I don't understand that is just on me most likely, why was Ghost Chara so powerful, how did they destroy everything. Like, it's kinda based how they stopped your victory, one shot you, took your soul, made you think about what you done in a corner, in a matter of minutes. But, how did they do that, how did they erase everything, literally everything was gone, every timeline, reset, etc. And even brought it all back, not because they needed your soul to do it, but because they wouldn't do it unless you made a deal. It's cool, but I'm missing something.
So sans is just matpat as a skeleton?
@@Mr.Luigi2491 Exactly, new theory just dropped everyone
Matpat is Steven Universe and Spongebob, therefore he is Multiversal strength theory.
I always thought that the reason Sans knows about resets is due to all the times Flowey reset until he learned everything and started to keep to himself like Through all those resets sans ended up getting hit with bits and parts of timelines that just got reset, and also It could be that Flowey's resets have a higher chance of normal monsters remembering parts of the previous timeline due him only having just enough determination to reset.
I was surprised to hear people hated Alphys. I really liked Alphys, so I didn't understand the hate she got, and I'm sad that so many people hate her.
Two reasons I personally don’t like Alphys:
1: She acts a lot like me, but just different enough that it’s really awkward for me every time she’s on screen 😅
2: Her entire friendship with Frisk was built on lies. She kept claiming that she was helping Frisk throughout Hotlands, when in reality she was the reason for most of Frisk’s obstacles. Heck, she’s even the reason Mettaton is so ‘obsessed’ with taking a human soul; he doesn’t really want or need it, but Alphys needed a villain to save Frisk from. I do think her friendship with Frisk becomes real as the story progresses, but it’s different from the other characters, who usually started as Frisk’s enemies, but became friends despite it all. The start of Alphys’ friendship with Frisk is disingenuous, and so her character just doesn’t really sit right with me. I kinda wish more people would talk about how messed up THAT mistake is (literally manipulating Frisk’s journey to be more dangerous and lying about it just so she could feel important), rather than focus on the whole Amalgamates thing, because let’s be real, none of us would have handled that any better 💀
Also, why does everyone always forget that Chara literally destroys the entire universe at the end of genocide? Like yeah, I know that the reason it happens at all is because of us, but even if you say no, they do it anyway. That’s a whole different genocide of their own making, because they’re killing both the monsters that evacuated AND all of humanity, and it’s wholly their own proposition and decision. I don’t really consider them ‘evil’, though, because they were brought back by our own LV and also no longer have a soul, but this still makes them morally gray at best.
Alive Chara seemed a lot better though. Still flawed and at least a little bit unethical, but they DID die to free the monster race, so...
If sans knew about you coming back from death he would change his attack order. Every time you start a battle with sans, his attack are always in the same order as last time
@@goldnaki I always thought of this but then what if Toby just didn’t wanna code that or it’s bc “Sans lazy” 😭
The facts I hate from the fandom are
Gaster made dt and discrediting Alphys
Paps d goat is weak.He is clearly strong.
Sans is God like and all knowing
Gaster falls in the core -It’s his own creation not specifically the core.
And lastly
Sans haves a flaming eye
He doesn’t not he haves flicking eyes
Fandom comics be like-
Hehehe erase
MY BROTHER
Chara-Kills people with no effort
GASTER made dt and test and eirjebdix sans…..
WHO the hell is a Alphys
Defeats asgore right before sans
SANS AND CHARA FIGGHT
Chara-It been ten years
Frisk-Sansa pie hellllpp
Gaster and sans -🛩️. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
✈️
Flash backs-
ERASE
WHAT EVERYONE IS EDGY BUT HOW
HUMAN,I REMEMBER YOU GENOCIDE
FLOWEY -🥹 chara don’t kill me 😭 sans …. HELLP
What sup-I’m a sans or a gaster from a different universe,I here to take you (or give you power)
Gsans- 🤗 ok there is nothing in the world left anyway
The humans outside 👁️🫦👁️
@@CatSlapps Why is there 9/11 happening in the middle of your fan comic 😭😭 also 10/10 accuracy
@@CosmicBeetle It just a game right….. should I make pt 2 of this
@@CatSlapps Let the story continue 🫡
I agree with everything said in this video, but I definitely feel like Asgore should have also been mentioned.
I will say Sans is still a genius, not as much as people say but still one. The fact he has studied and knows expressions is a completely out of world concept, and the way he words it seems to be less intuition and more knowledge; so I doubt it’e the deja vu. Sans studies quantum physics on his spare time, and he’s involved in the reports where he figured out timeline existed, including the save mechanics, and the ability DT can grant them on No Mercy (The Erase). And he should’ve had some intelligence if he worked alongside Alphys.
Chara:
I completely agree. I’d say less mentally ill and more so because they were born in an environment where there was a lack of empathy, they had trouble expressing it. Because Chara was responsible for poisoning Asgore, they likely felt they were a little bit of a failure. The term “laugh it off” usually refers to “brushing off something.” I sometime even do it, when I mess up, I laugh it off as a type of coping mechanism. The fact the narrator in the fight right after the tapes of Asriel/Chara laughs off the Amalagamate in a poor state, are surprised that Frisk doesn’t do that, and they even say “but it isn’t funny.” Tells more to that.
I really love the extra bit of characterization Chara got in the newest Deltarune newsletter. I feel like it really explains how they might have been predisposed to some bad behavior because of past trauma. With more context i find it pretty sad seeing them getting pushed to the extreme in the no mercy route.
I saw alphys (the x on her ) and already agree that she is misunderstood! I will see others!
I thought the title said undertale fashion terrible takes and this was an analasys on the fashion in undertale
@@koffiecake LMAOOO new video idea just dropped
@@CosmicBeetle Omg yes!!!!
Chara is the one I relate to the most. Which may not sound that good, but still. Chara reminds me of myself. maybe it’s just because of my past, and a little bit of my present
Sans is also weaker if you haven’t killed that many people because of karma so that’s one reason why I think he at the end, he can see your love and xp because he wouldn’t know how many have killed in the ruins and how many love you have got.
I don’t think he fully remembers tho.
Asgore is one of the most slept on characters in this entire series. The fandom be hating on this guy for no reason and I wish more AUs actually delve into him. Underfell made bro a cruel warlord who literally didnt care if his son died, that is what I want to see. *ALTERATIONS* of Asgore, but more AUs keep on d^ckriding Sans till heaven gates open up. Asgore got so much story to him and people is brush him aside, cut the goat some love world. Bro had to dealt with a War, An L, his 2 children dying, a Divorce, had to rule a Kingdom by himself, had to fight depression, had to slaughter CHILDREN not by his overall will, and in the neutral end he straight up kills himself! *HE. GOD. DANG. KILLS HIMSELF!*
Sans on the other hand I will not lie is a very interesting character, but the fandom kinda ruined his overall character. Now I dont believe him to be aware of what you can do in the case of Flowey outright telling you. However, he seemingly aware that you can somewhat *SAVE* since in one of the neutral runs he outright calls you out on it
Sans It's been a while.
Sans Shouldn't you SAVE?
However, I feel like this is more so of the fact he and someone else, most likely alphys, has gotten information on the timelines jumping left and right. Why do I suspect that the helper is Alphys? Because who else would fit the bill. Gaster is GONE, and Flowey actively despises Sans more than any other character. A lot of the fandom loves sleeping on Alphys overall intelligence.
@@NyntoDeathsinger “till heaven gates open up” LMAO also real stuff I agree with 🗣️
Didn’t Flowey actually kill Asgore in the neutral route?
@@darktooth4576 It generally depends. He can actually kill himself. You just gotta slay flowey on a neutral route, and then spare Asgore the next time. Think about all the struggles he has face. My dude doesnt even want to kill you, he is at his peak of depression. He has essentially lost everything and bestowed his people hope, hope that is breaking him down even further for each child slain.
BRO THIS IS FACTS 🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️
The fandom have no creativity,They make decrease 6 ft down lazy being with cracks and color eyes and say “ 🤡🤡 Look it sans but he can control time and space .I bet my sans is going to win and whebehdgdbsu
“. As for ships, the people in the fandom do this or pride for it had their left and right brain on low battery or in fact dead .💀 Those baby doodlers didn’t had sense to begin with.
And for gaster and nonexistent fanart.They are the reason why we have “sans is god moments “ and…… they always discredit my Dino , Alphys.
@@darktooth4576 I read this as you thinking Flowey killed Asgore on his own in one of his timelines. That didn't happen, even when he killed *every other monster in the underground* he couldn't. And the Asgore we fight in Undertale isn't NEAR his full power. He's super holding back because he doesn't want to kill you, which includes him being able to dodge (Undyne during the date says she couldn't land a single hit on him for a long time, considering how easy attacking is, either they fought outside the UT Battle system or Asgore can dodge).
I know you may have already known this, and I'm only saying this because I misinterpreted your comment, but sometimes I need to yell at the void.
You erase the timeline completely, i doubt even sans could remember that.
143 subs??? There’s no way. This is one of the best character analysis videos I’ve seen on Undertale and you only have 143 subs? I’d expect at least 10k-30k.
@@internetvibing1337 This is so sweet thank you so much :)
Adding onto Sans remembering Resets
If he did remember, then that would also mean you're saying Sans has Determination and used to be able to Reset. Because well, he doesn't! He doesn't remember Resets, but he can tell when one has occurred. It's also implied that Asgore knows OF Resets as well when you tell him he's killed you before.
@@KrisCrossssss Real this ‼️‼️
Sans doesn’t have DT .DT is a code name and yes it is canon by the location book.DT and DETERMINATION are two different things.DT is trying to copy DETERMINATION. Now for the sans dt,He doesn’t have it.If he can blink, he can sweat,since monsters are magic.Two- the blood is what bones have , Bones in the mallow can bleed blood.We don’t see it with paps,since he hit by the neck
Man, I just want more Chara Asriel interactions, ever since I was little, there wasn't much of it, let's hope in Deltarune Asriel will have more than 50 text boxex
11:24 I agree with you on that mentally ill part
@@ZaltnD Society when people don’t function the same as them and may have mental issues: Evil!!
THE J WITH A FEMALE VOICE
Jokes aside,finally someone saying this about the characters
To add a thing,i honestly think alphys and asgore went through the worst in undertale:
Alphys for the amalgamates and asgore for losing 2 kids and killed humans against his will to help his people to leave the underground which led into breaking up with toriel
@@petergriffin1331 LMAOO
Still watching this video, but I just wanted to say that we do actually know a lot about Sans and his backstory/history, connections with other characters, lore, etc. Sans is just a vague, private, secretive, tired, etc. person, and can make it hard to find out stuff about him (like for some examples, we found out about him in the Geno route, his secret room during a Pacifist route after u time travel and tell him his codes, as a Lost SOUL, etc.) We do actually know about about Sans in general, there are just some things about it and him that are mysterious, more up to interpretation, etc. So to say that he doesn't have a backstory, is just, inaccurate.
I do agree, as much as I love Paps (I am more of a Sans fan, but I love Paps too), we don't really know much about his backstory/past/etc.
Undyne, we do actually know stuff about her history/backstory. Like the stuff with Asgore, Paps, Alphys, and Gerson. And I think it is good. But if we got more; that would be cool.
I don't think her lie to Paps was great, but to say she is a terrible friend to Paps for it, is a bit much. Again, I am not saying the lie was great. But it is a flaw (like u said) and wasn't done out of malice. And I feel like people take her saying this lie too far, and kind of demonize for it. I even see people blaming her (and Sans) for Paps getting mischaracterized. Which I don't find fair. Not saying you are demonizing her, but I have seen people taking that lie too far, and sometimes demonizing her.
Saying all that, there being more closure to the lie, could have been nice.
Alright, that is all I have to say for now. Will go back to watching this video.
I watched some more of the video. I am happy you think Sans does at least make use of deva-jus and stuff some to do some of the stuff he does, as well, as his intelligence, knowledge, perceptiveness, and etc.
I have seen some people try to argue that he doesn't, when doing stuff like counting ur deaths, or that he remembers the least/has the least deva-jus. And I find both of those things wrong and kind of ridiculous imo.
I will say though, most people in fandom nowadays don't see Sans as an all-knowing God. I see him, his character, awareness/knowledge, etc. get downplayed more than anything nowadays tbh. Which I find quite annoying. Saying that, ur section on Sans wasn't bad. I don't completely agree with some parts, but I do agree with ur Sans take more than I do a lot of others (like, as I said, already I have seen people think/say this: "I have seen some people try to argue that he doesn't, when doing stuff like counting ur deaths, or that he remembers the least/has the least deva-jus."). I will say though that Sans is more aware, at least, in the sense, that he actually knows about the time stuff going on and what they are, compared to the others getting feelings/deva-jus. Not trying to downplay the others here. Just saying he knows about them, and most of the others, don't know about them.
Anyways the stuff I would have talked about how Sans is misunderstood would be pretty different, but decent section overall.
I liked a lot of ur Paps section.
Alright, done once again, don't know if I will continue writing more. If I don't, you at least have these two comments.
@@Dragon_Aoi I love what you said here thank you for pointing this stuff out. I agree definitely wrong to demonize Undyne for her lie when it’s a small flaw that’s either overlooked or blown up by the fandom. And thank you for the information on Sans’ backstory I was focused on the “they just appeared” in Snowdin one day and didn’t really consider information we do gain about him.
@@Dragon_Aoi True with this, I think a middle ground on Sans between thinking he’s aware of timelines vs thinking he’s smart and applied himself is better than one of the extremes. I like your point that it’s sort of a mix and there definitely is more he knows about the world than others. Thank you for the comments!
I want to read since I am an undertale nerd. But I also don’t want to read Allat. ;-;
@@GBanana-_- "I can't read it I'm an Undertale fan!"
WOAH! This video was amazing!Only 144 subs,extremely underrated! Keep up the good work!!
@@Alphpancake Thank you so much!!
Congratulations one of the few people that say water correctly
@@NominalFaun12 I’m glad if anything I can do this
People also have to realise that Chara from the flashbacks and Chara from the Genocide Route are two separate characters.
Chara from the flashbacks is a human, with a soul, dreams, and plans to enact revenge on humantiy through any means possible, Eren Yeager style (Rumbling, rumbling)
Chara from the genocide route is a soulless demon, a manifestation of player's desire for power. Oh, and in post-genocide(pacifist) route.. EREN YEGA-
@@GospodinWolf RUMBLING, RUMBLING 🗣️
There is no reason to distinguish them.
Unlike Flowey, who took hundreds of resets before considering killing, and had significant internal conflict over whether to actually do it, Chara exhibits none of this. They are on board, no questions asked, the moment it's triggered in the Ruins.
@@Person76439 I've seen a lot of people agree about them being "good", "innocent" or "evil" and straight up confusing characters entirely. The big misunderstanding of the character.
I've heard ppl say, that Chara actually "punishes" the player, and lots of other things I don't even wanna talk about.
So I find it reasonable to distinguish them.
@@GospodinWolf ...none of that provides an actual reason to distinguish them lol
@@Person76439 At the core, they are different characters. Different beings, that's why I distinguish them in the first place. But the community never ceases to amazingly dissapoint.
Youre correct on how the fans treat Undyne. Taking her as a caricature an ignoring any more. An in defense of Undyne. I dont believe shes a bad friend for not telling off papyrus's dreams of grandeur. Her logic was logic-ing. Its papyrus's only passion, an 9 times outta 10 when you tell someone, no you cannot achieve your one and only dream. They go to dark places, like listening to opium playlists.
Now everything else you said. Take that shart back to 2016. No one has ever thought those opinions since the apex of undertale. Honestly I see more people getting crucified for having opinions like that or ever so slightly similar. Saying chara is evil will place a bounty on your head. Notice how you can find a chara defense video, but not a chara offense video. Its because theyve killed anyone who opposed their truth.
it's august/september of 2024, do we need to have this talk?
hard being a frisk and chara fan where everyone forgets their genders are up for interpretation and stuff.
and that frisk and chara is always the same creatures in fan media especially comics, i haven't forgotten the frans fandom and nuevx's comics ruining frisk and sans....
7:42 nah he knows because some people searched the game code's and their was a message form sans that says "don't tell the other sans's I send this" or something like that.... that's mean he knows he is in a game
@@M7MD_ZN I honestly don’t mind the game files when talking abt characters bc that’s more of stuff outside the story and how the characters act, but since there are so many 4th wall breaks I wouldn’t totally rule out the idea that the game files do play into the lore so you have a good point here on how he could know; I gotta say I feel like if he knew he was in a video game specifically he’d go a little cray cray ddlc style
like dirtystyle sans...
great work with the video
and good luck on the next one
I hate chara slanderers so much!
Yo this was an amazing video I loved it - :)
@@AmbrosiaMooshine Thank you!
0:00 it’s already accurate
this channel is hella underrated
I don't really engage a lot with Undertale content so I think of what I have seen, maybe I've just been lucky to avoid a lot of misrepresentation of characters (unless it's less prevalent in fanworks and more prevalent in casual discussion)
I've known about the idea of Chara being a demon child for many years now. I can't really place a person on who believed in the idea, but I've certainly seen it thrown around here and there. But from what I've experienced, I think Chara is handled pretty well in fanworks, even in some of the more controversial ones. I could bring up the three examples of Undertale media I've experienced in my entire life and give my thoughts on how those works handled some or all of these characters.
- The Thought
Having come out so soon after Undertale's release, I think The Thought did an incredible job at portraying the characters in the game. Undyne felt a little off to me, but the characterization they chose for her works for what was needed in the story. Papyrus is pretty much perfect, and plays a lot on your points here about Papyrus not openly believing everything Sans tells him. Even Toriel and Asgore I think are showcased well, but they're not the focus of this video. Alphys takes a bit of a backburner in this story so there isn't a whole lot to say on her.
The stars here are definitely Sans and Chara. Sans is a bit off here, but the whole premise of The Thought is Sans going against his character and taking action, resulting in a domino effect that leaves everyone upset with him. I think after all is said and done, his character is handled fine, and it's neat to see him try and do something with what little power he has.
The Thought's interpretation of Chara I think fits the bill of a kid who has no soul and has to watch someone else live their life and not get the consequences of it, which I think is pretty consistent in all three of the projects I'm thinking of here. They get a bit ornery when someone tells them they can't do something but it more or less resolves itself (by everyone else jumping in and stopping their rampage, but that's not important)
- Dogs of Future Past
This one took a bit longer to come out but it's definitely my favorite Undertale content that I can remember. This one gives us more Flowey characterization, but he also isn't represented in this video (or I guess overall misunderstood??) so I can skip him. Going over the characters, I don't think there's a single one that feels off in this one. Undyne and Alphys have a pretty good moment midway through the comic and the comic brings up from time to time about Alphys' screwups and her overall depression of everything going wrong AGAIN due to them helping out Frisk. It's a really hard situation and it's really cool to see Undyne just drop everything in order to help her. Though, I don't know if that really goes for or against anything said about the two here. I guess the situation just called for them to act this way.
I do not actually remember Papyrus doing anything in this comic aside from bickering with Sans at one point. I suppose that's fine, as he's not one of the focuses of this story, alongside Undyne and Alphys. As for Sans, he jumpstarts the story and has some important lines, but his character isn't in the forefront in these moments like in The Thought so there isn't a whole lot to say on him here, as again, this is Flowey's story, not Sans'.
One surprise appearance we get is from Chara, who decides to show up and give Sans a hard time by playing the "may I, will I" game with him. Even though they're kinda hecked up here, it's revealed that they just want the cycles to end and they're just tired. Mental trauma, for sure. I think they're handled well here even if they are just causing trouble for everyone. At the end of it all, they just ask Frisk to be removed from the cycle, which is a pretty unique take throughout these stories.
And... for this third example, I'd prefer not to stay on this for too long. There's not much to say on Pap, Alphys, Undyne, or Sans here, so I'll just be including this for Chara's characterization.
In Glitchtale, Chara is also shown under the interpretation of not being a demon child, but being fueled by an in-universe force of hate, and is showcased to still care for Asriel after everything. Even after that and it's shown Chara's still around, Frisk ends up giving Chara another chance and they're allowed to be happy.
I bring this up not for the creator, but just as an example of what has come about from the fandom's interpretations of these characters, and how many people are willing to believe there's more to Chara than just demon child.
I don't even know if it counts, but even TS!Underswap seems to have an understanding of these characters at a fundamental level. We don't see a whole lot of Alphys and Undyne in the current demo, but Sans and Papyrus seem to be handled perfectly, with even Chara having an interesting take to their personality as the playable character.
But then again, I think I'm just lucky with the fanworks I've encountered over the years. Thought and Dogs are just goated, tbh.
I think with Sans you mean that he theorize about player but have no actual 100% proof of that.Same as we people theorize about aliens,God or that maybe life is just game,we all are NPC ruled by some program or about DETERMINISM OR FREE WILL.I think Sans is same.He has knowledge of quantum physic which is so close to determinism-Everything matter ,but you don't.I mean, Undertale is about Determinism and is funny to me that nobody until now speak about it most obvious message in Undertale which is even in Deltarune!It is in name!It means ,,fourth route,,.Genocide,pacifist and neutral route are in Undertale but fourth route is Deltarune itself.Delta is symbol which is so much put in both games ,∆ which resemble of element of Water.But delta is number 4 ,number for in angelic numbers is DETERMINATION.Anyway,I Asgore and Frisk should be in this video as well^^
@@pristina4628 I agree a lot with this! You bring up a lot of interesting things I didn’t think about
@@CosmicBeetle ty^^
What about "weird route" my friend?
Any cool opinion?
Ngl I preferred Chara as she was originally portrayed by the fanbase, a sadistic and heartless monster that would counter Frisk's usual pacifist mindset if not doing the genocide run, Ik its two sided in the fandom if Chara is evil or not and people now going with the full on Chara being the narrator. But honestly in my opinion the good guy Chara portrayal is boring to me, I also understand that's its more the players actions and not Chara pulling the strings, but again the opposites thing fitted more for me.
Also, just my opinion don't come at me like a rabid dog over it.
Having Chara as the villain is more cool honestly instead of a dead kid that's messed up in the head narrating the story.
Instead coming at you like a rapid dog for calling Chara a she 💔💔
@@CosmicBeetle Damn
The reason sans doesn’t fight is that he’s too weak and needs karma to do anything, others characters would just throw their life away but sans knows that he couldn’t win even if he killed frisk once
Sans is quite smart so the thumbnail is wrong
Poor asgore gets bullied EVEN BY FANS,REALLY GUYS? SORIEL? 💀🙏
Anyway the only canon ship i think that is 100% canon is Alphys x Trash can
Edit: i forgor the most iconic ones...AHEM
Muffet and *METTATO-* i mean,money
Asgore x CHILDRE- (this is Bondrewd reference real 🤑🤑🤑)
Amalgamets x Alphys' suffering ( i wish)
Undyne x BEATING THE S-
and of course
Sans x Ketchup
And
Grillby x tab.
- SANS PAY YOUR [🔥💀🙏🔥]ING TAB 🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Why do people still defend chara in 2024 🤦♂️ do I think they’re inherently some demon and a killer? No. But they are definitely a bad person
@@redbool1115Because theyre cool and everyone else does just see them as a demon and killer 💔
Top 5 Reasons why PvZ fans are better than Undertale fans.
Yeah we're just gonna asume Chara is evil cuz they killed us at the genocide run. If you ACTUALLY knew Undertale, you'd know that the more LV you get, the more deranged you get and you made Chara do so. And let's assume Chara is evil because they hate humanity and wanted revenge.
Let's ship two brothers. Let's ship an adult and a child. Let's ship THREE children in one ship shall we?
LV does not make you evil. LV reduces your empathy. Flowey proves that soulless people do indeed keep their moral compass. Flowey shaved his off only after hundreds of resets. Chara is immediately on board.
Chara's involvement on Genocide also has no correlation to LV. Only the kill count matters.
That's what I mean.
I am just stepping in the shoes of an undertale fan
@@Person76439 I never said LV makes you evil. I said DERANGED.
Search it up on google
Only disagreement with this video is that dumbass "Sans can read your expressions!!!" Which is just a huge leap. Are you seriously telling me that with each reload, Sans knows Frisk as a person and how they behave to gague how many times they've died? Like, how is Frisk looking slightly more pissed than the other time mean that Sans by sheer luck, is able to gague that Frisk is more pissed than before. Sans should be repeating the same dialogue because he doesn't know you're getting angrier. To prove my point, Sans is keeping track of the times you died. He says so if you die enough times that he lost count. He remembers because he WAS counting.
And the easiest way to debunk the notion is the fact that he literally talks to you in the Game Over screen if you spare him. His arguably most iconic line, "Get Dunked on" is from there. And btw, Asgore remembers your reloads aswell. He knowingly nods, rather than being confused. To conclude, Sans is just teasing you by acting unaware to rile you up. It's very obviously the intent. And please don't be like those obnoxious people who say "it's a gag" because that doesn't debunk the notion it happened. Undertale is already filled to the brim with gags.
@@paperprince2953 I like to imagine Frisk dying after trying to spare Sans and the last thing they hear is a quiet “get dunked on”
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