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The democratic process in this country is a complete joke.
Indeed and part of the joke is it is not democratic!
With a FPTP system, the coalition is formed before the election rather than in discussions after it. If you do not have a way to effect the coalition discussions, you do not have an effective vote.
@@Skrynesaver With PR every vote counts, unlike the ridiculously unfair FPTP system, where certain parties (Lab & Tories) benefit disproportionately.
Check out America it gets worse
Here in NZ we have MMP, Mixed Member Proportional. This has made little to no change.
Representative democracy is a con, in essence you”re voting politicians in for their opinions.
We can take democracy back, here is how.
1. Set up a DDP party in each constituency. (DDP digital democracy party). Rule for the party must include strictly abiding with the wishes of your constituents given to you by the following app.
2. Set up a voting app, use blockchain technology to make it bulletproof & to allow voters to see that their vote has been applied correctly.
3. Put every piece of legislation up for a vote on the app, and strictly apply that to the votes in the Houses of Parliament.
There is obviously more to it than that but this is an abridged version for this platform.
This allows you to take back the control while still remaining within the confines of the current laws.
She speaks for me! I have felt this way since Starmer kicked Corbyn out of the party.
Same. In the beginning I thought I don't really trust this guy and boy was I right.
@@DFandV My guess is that he will do some good for sure, at least a little... But then make a fatal error like plunging us into another unjust war and the Tories will hammer Labour with it so hard that we will end up with another 14 years of Tory rule.
All this has happened before, and all of this will happen again. It's predictable because history literally repeats itself, sometimes several times within a lifetime.
@@keifer7813 I will be abstaining this election. The tactical voting cretins are going to put a Lib Dem in my area so there's no point in me voting. Democracy is broken when so many people allow others to tell them how to vote just to "stop the Tories".
Starmer has been and is going to be just as damaging to British politics as the Tories, just you watch.
These days voting for the Mainstream parties is voting for the Lobbyists that run them. Recent events show that to be the case
True
Voting for Luke Akehurst
Can you even imagine?
Can you understand even the vaguest temptation to do so?
I know I can’t
She just said exactly what more and more people are thinking.
I have voted Labour all my life but I will be abstaining at the next election because of that odious character.
Spoil the ballet or vote Green if possible. Starmer was the perfect Trojan horse to get rid of a true alternative party.
Exactly.
Starmer is the perfect Tory mole. Thanks to him, the left are marooned. At the moment the Green party looks like the least bad option.
All that will do is get us 5 more years of the Tories. So what then? Spoil the ballot again?
@@Kavafy where was this argument when Corbyn was LOTO. Then the right of the Labour Party were busy actively sabotaging Labour’s chances. Can’t have it both ways
@@Kavafy Nobody's voting Tory right now - their poll numbers are obliterated and there's no way they can achieve a majority, especially if they end up being spoiled by the Lib Dems.
I was dead set to vote Labour but after Starver standing against a ceasefire how can anyone live with their conscience and vote Labour ?
Well it's either Labour or Tories so unless you want five more years of this current dumpster fire, there's not really another option. Britain's PM is not the United States president and holds no sway whatsoever over what Israel decides to do anyway, so it's not like a pro-Palestinian PM would have made any conceivable difference.
Completely agree.
Agree, completely. I was a lifelong Labour voter. That is, until Starmer took charge. He disgusts me with his stance on Palestine, especially. No more will I ever vote Labour again.
UKIP influences by cutting into the default winning party….. if you refuse to back labour you’re playing into the Conservative Party by removing yourself from the vote…… we’ve 14 years of conservative failure and both ladies are advocating for more fail because they’re illogical.
@@wleon4068 unless of course if Corbyn came back as leader 😀
Starmer and his advisors think that the traditional Labour voter has nowhere to go in the next general election and so does not consider their votes will be lost. I think they are in for shock
Yep
They are absolutely certain that we will vote for them anyway
So, let’s NOT do that
Then they might pay attention
Biden thinks the same in the USA.
I wish I could agree with you but the polls don’t. I’m following “the Muslim vote” very closely which has given me some hope though
I'm more than happy to vote Green, I find it quite sad we have so many people are not confident enough to vote for anyone other than Labour or the Conservatives
What do they offer to help the common person? Apart from eco policies.
Yawn ,yawn The save the planet brigade no thanks ,You gotta be green as a cabbage to vote the green party
We have ULEZ so won't vote green.
@@djdrogsUBI, ending the war on drugs, stronger protections for renters
@@djdrogsa proper industrial strategy to create jobs and reduce bills, as well as the best housing policy of any UK party right now
They are a very well-rounded party 🙂
Yes indeed the black community has been taken for granted. I see absolutely nothing offered or any tangibles in return for my vote. Im not interested in voting just so we can rightfully boot the Tories out. I also require benefits and policies that can address and solve issues within the black community.
100%. But I'll be voting Green. I'll never vote Labour again. The pro-Israel (and therefore pro-occupation, pro-Irgun, pro-Haganah etc) stance is the last straw.
That's exactly how the tories have managed to trash the country for 13 years. Stupid
You might as well stay home then since you already know your vote won't count in a two party system.
thankyou
can't bully people into voting against their beliefs by threatening them, as soon as new labour learns that and actually stands for working people like they're supposed to, they will never win@@matty7758
@edithputhy4948 Starmer is entirely polling driven. He _is_ seeing the growing Green vote and he's starting to react. He needs to stop the Thatcher nonsense
We don't need a Green MP to get Green policies 🙂
She is actually spot on. Theres no change with voting for labour party.
The penny's dropped.!😊
Yep. Unless your vote can boot a Braverman or a Gullis, what's the difference between a moderate Tory and a Starmerite?
@@markwelch3564the difference is that the moderate Tories are not in charge.
@@Kavafy if we tactically vote Labour to beat the extremists, but vote on principles when the Red/Blue choice is a Starmerite and a Moderate Tory, we can push both parties our way
@@chatham43 I see you're doing the rounds Tory trolling again
"Pick between this dog poop and this other dog poop."
"I dont want to vote for dog poop."
"What is wrong with you?!?"
She has a point. Starmer is a Red Tory, he has no shame.
It's called political expediency. Look it up.
@@chatham43 It's called not being able to trust him with anything.
@@chatham43No, it’s called him being the most dishonest person in Westminster by a country mile
And I don’t say that lightly
I "wasted" my vote for Scottish Greens in the last Scottish Parliament elections and actually, we elected two Green ministers in the government - Lorna Slater and Patrick Harvie.
As an snp voter I wish you hadn’t . The policies driven by the greens have been a disaster . We getting our bottle exchange any time soon? And Patrick harvie causing new rents to skyrocket due to his short sighted rent freeze .
There’s a different voting system for the Scottish parliament. Under FPTP most votes for the Greens are wasted for Westminster elections. Splitting the vote allows the Tories to win.
@@rincemor I’m Scottish and in all honesty the system we have is undemocratic and allows for people to get a seat despite not being voted for .
It’s not as undemocratic as FPTP. It maintains the two party system in the UK. Millions of people voted Green in the last UK election but they only got one MP.
@@SK-ei4cm cry harder
Iain Dale is the sort of Tory Keir Starmer is appealing to.
100%
Then why did he look so happy when she said she was not voting Labour?.
@@britturk123because he has an interest in people voting because it legitimises the process
@@britturk123 I don't think he did look happy. I think he was surprised and shocked at her response. Being a Tory he wouldn't understand where she was coming from. He's coming from a privileged point of view.
It’s more serious than that
Keir Starmer actively does not want your vote if you are to the left of Iain Dale
I left the party to due Starmer. I won't vote for them, which is a great shame, as I like my candidate and think she'll do a great job. But Starmer has reneged on the promises that brought him in (not that I voted for him), his stance on taxation, private schools, Gaza and now Thatcher make him a joke, I will be returning to the Greens.
Dems here in the states are a mirror image of Labour on Palestine and taxes etc. ,Simping for Reagan all of the time . I have no use to vote for Reagan and Thatcher clones or worst monsters .
Maybe encourage your choice to go independent
Yawn, another one of you that didn't read the article! Starmer said nothing positive about Thatcher in it! Also, for you to say that you will be returning to the Greens means that is where you started....
@@nigeltrigger4499 Vote Lib Dem in ‘19, by any chance?
@@nigeltrigger4499 Indeed I did - I went to Labour when it appeared to be offering a radical change to the status quo. That is certainly no longer the case. 'She had a sense of plan and a mission', no, not really positive is it? But hardly negative considering the depredations she inflicted upon the manufacturing industry, the unions and the working class in general. But it's a mission, eh? Good old Starmer! I note you can't answer my other criticisms. Yawn, another safe centrist.
See the Welsh Labour MP is just so wrong. We want those left policies in this general election not the next one. I’m not voting for Tory polices to get Labour into power. This country needs change to begin now not in five years. And all the various communities that Kier Starmer has pissed off are in no way obliged to vote for him. Nor should they. He needs to step down now before the general election.
Why on earth would he step down while he is leading by a landslide margin?
Conservative and Labour voters both want their leaders to step down and embrace their core values, couldn't make it up.
@@edithputhy4948 The thing is, Starmer not leading in the polls because HE - or his party - are popular, he's leading by simple dint of Sunak and the Tories being less popular. It's that simple.
We could very well end up with a protest-vote, consolation prize Government at the next election - NOT because people wanted to Labour to gain office, but simply because they are NOT the Tories. The country deserves far, far better than that.
I simply will not vote for Right Wing policies, regardless of the colour of the rosette. And nor will many, many others.
@@edithputhy4948 I think you're in for a shock.
@@ShopFloorMonkey It's interesting to draw the parallels between now and 1996-7. In both cases the sitting Tory party are/were riven by scandal, inter-factional warfare. Labour heavily courted the swing voters by adopting much of Tory policy, particularly spending commitments. Some big differences are that Starmer has gone somewhat further in adopting establishment policy. The economy is in an absolute mess which will choke out a lot of spending on social programs.
The biggest difference is Blair had a lot of charisma and offered something to vote for.
No Labour for me. Labour really does = Tories. I used to challenge this thinking but now the truth is undeniable. We need a change.
Exactly the same. I'd criticised that view previously but Labour/Starmer have moved so far to the right they're basically what the Tories were before they became the NF!
We need a change so throw your vote away and increase the chances of 5 more years of the same.
@@outsidespac3 You don’t affect change by undervaluing your vote and pledging it to the second worst option. There are alternatives to Tories and Labour. Only when Labour realises that, will they covet the vote of the left like they do the vote of the right-wing. You can vote Green, Independent or even Lib Dem. Point is you have a choice and all you need to exercise it is a little bit of courage.
@@outsidespac3 what, precisely, do you think Starmer intends to change?
@@MetalSamantha Starmer is very keen to change the colour of the ties that our government wears from blue to red, that's pretty exciting.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 she’s right. I also refuse to vote for either party
so Tories again in power. Sleep well.
@@philtreman9944With Starmer in power you'll be keeping tories in power. That's the point.
@@philtreman9944 why do so think the elites are backing Starmer?
Hint: it’s because he won’t change a single thing
Certainly not much, at most
@@lilaoliva793I reckon they’re the Tories twenty years ago. The new crop of Tories are a particularly despicable bunch. The thought of having them in power again makes me sick
No she's not right, her attitude and yours is exactly the reason why people like the Tories remain in power and why the economy has continued to decline. To elicit change you must take action.
I would have voted for Labour if Killer Starmer wasn't leader. I'm going Green like Helena.
I will not be voting for Labour, because I don't vote for Tories.
Which will allow the conservatives to win
@@SK-ei4cmWorst case scenario of not voting Labour: The Tories win the next election
Best case scenario of voting Labour: There are now two parties and they are both Tories, so the Tories win every election for the rest of our lives.
@@kieranharwood7186 the fact you think that starmers labour are tories renders your opinion invalid. I assume you are very much on the left of labour ( otherwise known as the unelectable side) ?
What is it about the labour left that they hate being in power
@@SK-ei4cm Starmer is right of his own policies from when he came into power. How can you not accept that he's moved right?
Name a left wing policy of Starmer's, list anything left of centre...
@@SK-ei4cmwhich party?
Yes Ava you speak for me too...Starrmer and his lot are a waste of space....no principals in the face of genocide ....he should be disbarred
...on both sides...humanity should not be selective!
What is human about genocide?
Well done to Helena for declaring her allegiance to the Green Party. Greens tick all the boxes when it comes to the socialist policies needed for this country to move forward.
She’s utterly clueless, Starmer’s not going to lose swathes of votes to the left and the Green Party. Typical teenage poltics and opinion . Douglas Carswell getting one seat in the House of Commons didn’t lead to Brexit either, what a silly thing to say.
NO VOTE NO CONSENT NO PROBLEM
@@ZombieNation-bo3pu or … No vote, no franchise, no change.
NO VOTE NO CONSENT NO PROBLEM
And place the uk into even worse poverty with the he green agenda.... So stunning so so brave
I agree with her , I won't vote Tory never & starmer is too scared to declare anything as not to lose support , starmer thinks he can say nothing walk into No.10 , voting Tory light I won't do , Starmer treatment of Corbyn is disgusting
He's declared loud and clear to be on the side of Capital.
Do you want another tory government? tory governments mean people die, it's that simple.
...absolutely...anti -semitism certainly has a place in today's Labour party!😊
I don’t think Starmer is scared, I think he believes most of what he says.
Labour is leading by a landslide, all Starmer has to do at this point is say nothing and pack his bags for Downing street
Thank you Helena for expressing very clearly what some of us have been saying for years now. Shift the political discourse to the left by growing the real left organizations not the fake ones.
England has tory or red tory (labour).
Us Scots plan to leave the uk and both of these parties and the WM system behind for good.
I hope the folk of England boot all these crooks out and reform their system too, you'll have my full support when you do, you deserve better too.
I’m with the lady. Only voted for mr Corbin.
Just a Corbynista then, not a Labour Party supporter...
We all know why they wanted to get rid of Mr Corbyn. And it wasn't anti-Semitism.
@@stevebrooks6275the labour right didn't vote for labour when corbyn was leader, and in fact openly campaigned against and sabotaged him, surely you also wouldn't call them labour party supporters
@stevebrooks6275 corbyn stands for true Labour so your comment makes no sense!!
@@janewright2800 I'm afraid that's not what the voters on the doorstep told me in 2017 and 2019 when I was trying to get him elected... What did they tell you, Jane... ??
I won't be voting Labour and if I wasn't signed up for postal votes I'd probably not vote at all. I can see a very low turnout at the next general election.
A low turnout could enable some upsets and surprises... a good time to vote outside the tired old guard!
Just rip up the postal vote, as thousands of us no doubt will
I do agree with one key point. There is a risk of a low turnout for most parties.
Labour aren't really Labour under Starmer. The Tories are now so right wing that voting for them is madness, perhaps only the Greens actually represent something. clear. Not even the LDs have a clear position on rejoining the EU.
Our political life is broken.
Yeah we’ve gone from two main parties, left and right, to two main parties, centre right and alt right
If we keep voting Labour, this will keep getting worse
If you can't vote Green then spoil your ballot, it's always better than abstaining.
Starmer is in for a shock.
I for one will never forgive him for stealing a necessary period of respite from Tory attrition.
Not more to say really, the Labour Party and Kier Starmer have made a vast sway of previous Labour voters totally homeless and they will not be getting my vote.
Polls say that Starmer and the Labour party have recruited vast numbers of the electorate to vote for the Party, dragging us from 24% points behind the Tories on the day our previous leader stood down to 20% points ahead today - a 44% point turnaround....
What utter bullsh!t! How has he done that - he is not in power!
@@stevebrooks6275nothing to do with the Tory implosion, of course
@@stevebrooks6275 Starmer hasn't gained votes. Just look at the recent by-elections, where Labour got less votes than before (from a higher population), but had an historic win because the Tory vote collapsed.
@@kieranharwood7186 You can't compare raw numbers between GE and by elections to give you an accurate comparison. All by elections have less than half the turnout when compared to GEs. Only % change gives an accurate picture. There's been a historic swing to Labour in many by elections, so I'm afraid you can't use your argument to smear Labour's achievement...
Helena has got it bang on. Will be voting green next election.
In relation to what Helena said: The whole point in voting tactically was previously to get the Tories out. Voting tactically now would be to keep the Tories in - they just wear red.
It's a shame that our votes don't count with this 2 party system. We need a reform in our voting system.
They tried to over a decade ago, but the anti-reformers scaremongered people into belive if the system was changed, parties like UKIP and BNP would get into power which was complete shite.
Even though they might not count, still vote for what you believe in. Just like Helena explained, Labour will see they're losing votes to the left which will encourage them to try and win them back with more progressive policies. Tactical voting just plays into the hands of a 2 party system, then we'll be a screwed as the US.
PR or i'm only voting for green.thats the deal as far as I'm concerned. I'm not taking part in the 2 party rigged system. Give me pr.
Careful what you wish for , if we had PR then ukip/reform (or whatever they call themselves now , would be massive .
@@SK-ei4cm Unlikely as the BBC wouldn't have given Farage 10 slots a day on prime time TV. Nice try though bot guy.
Don’t stay home. Vote for a third party or spoil your ballot.
Not engaging at all just leads you being completely ignored.
I completely agree with her about Labour though.
They ignore you anyway. Unless you have money
So let the right wing drum up their supporters and live with 4 or 8 years more of conservative Governments.
Labour have to be given a chance even if you have no faith in Starmer.
The Labour party is more than just Starmer.
I hope they can implement improvements in the UK.
I see them as the UKs only chance.
I am sick of foodbanks and child poverty while we pay for heated stables and swimming pools for MPs.
@@smcl8419 Better 4 to 8 years of conservative goverments and a chance of something changing and an alternative appearing, than having 30-40 years of conservative goverment right?
People are ignored anyway, why bother?
You're ignored whatever you vote for. Democracy is an illusion. Big business and big bucks run politics. Those with the deepest pockets call the shots. There is no Democracy.
Vote Green! Never give up your right to vote even if it feels pointless. Not voting means you’re voting for the way things are
If nothing else it shows you're politically engaged and are there to be "won back".
What are the greens like...in ireland theyre aweful and totally not green very for the rich. No poor people allowed to burn turf and grants for the rich to have solar panels and stuff. Ridiucukous non native forests for sale for wood. All sorts of hipster greenwashing bs.
@Mantastic-ho3vm not voting is also voting for the Tories. Yes FPTP means we need to vote tactically but if all the people staying at home voted for the greens, they would have more than 1 MP, and could put pressure on Labour to veer left rather than right
@Mantastic-ho3vm If people had thought the same at the start of the 20th century there would be no Labour party. We'd still just have the liberals and tories. Not about winning this election it's about building electoral strength for the future and gaining bargaining power. In any case, there's barely a difference between red or blue tories so you don't lose anything.
@@abdvs325 You are wrong. The Labour Party at the beginning of the twentieth century was a working class and union project. They were fully engaged with ordinary people. They used to go to working men’s clubs to teach them about socialism and cooperatives and alternative ways of running the country. They literally earned their votes! This lot don’t want to earn our votes so they can do one - name me one thing that the6 will do that will improve the lives of ordinary people? They have gutted the best manifesto Labour had in recent years and left nothing for us to vote for.
Fantastic guest she speaks the truth that many can see
Let's just start with the fact that she refereed to the article where the media have declared that Starmer said something positive about Thatcher - he did NOT if you actually read the article in question! (go and read it, I dare you!)
@@nigeltrigger4499he sure does sound a lot like a 2010s tory politician though. The guy is a weasel.
@@soup8786 Can you elaborate? You can say anyone sounds as you have described...
@nigeltrigger4499 droning on about fiscal responsibility and having no money. Its going to be more austerity over stimulus. It didn't work last time it won't work this time.
@@soup8786 The UK has always been better off with a Labour government, you can check those stats yourself! Where are you getting austerity from with regards to the Labour party? You appear to be confused - it is the Tories that invoke austerity!
Very much an own goal by Starmer. The conservatives were becoming more and more unelectable, so he had no need to effect a move to the right. He didn't have to come out strongly for progressive ideas, just quietly leave them be in the party. I'd estimate that there will be no gain in trying to attract disgruntled conservatives when he will have lost an equal number of progressives, may even be in the red on that one. Poor judgement on his part.
Especially long-term. No nice way to put this, the voters he's chasing are getting old. He's burning bridges with younger generations to chase a voter cohort with a very limited future
That's not a good plan for the Labour party long-term!
Just one of many reasons why I believe that he is a Tory entryist
He doesn’t seem like a Labour man to me 🤷🏻♀️
It's not an own goal if they still win the elections, and Starmer never wanted any left-wing policies anyway.
Well done getting Helena on she speaks for me ☮️✊️
Thank you again. For your clear explanation of how I feel. Same reason I be voting green. Gaza was the final straw for me.
..mmm....we'll see.😉
Helena is great value as ever..."Change in ideology rather than a change in management"
@robbie9629 Thank you very much. Very well spotted.
I guess I'm not the only person that feels this way. Starmer has said he doesn't give a hoot about voters that are basically looking for honesty, decency and a fairer society. So bye bye Labour, I know where I'm not wanted. And quite frankly I loathe them all, frauds every one.
Any normal person would not vote conservative or labour
Or Fib-Dem.
If you look at the statistics, everyone in the UK is better off under Labour! All of you with opinions that are baseless - it's pathetic!
@@nigeltrigger4499I’m disabled and don’t Labour want to go “further than the Tories” on disability cuts and making life tougher for disabled people, however genuine?
I’m also LGBTQ, and Starmer does seem to have made a large number of “gaffes” about that as well
I won’t be voting for him
I'm the same, I'm not voting for Keir Starmers Right wing Labour
VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN ! VOTE GREEN !
I'm a leftist, and I've been the same since it became clear the Labour party does not want a left.
If tory values are going to further destroy equality, and justice. Then I would honestly prefer that it's the tory party that is doing it. If it's the Labour party doing it, it will will destroy the party for decades to come.
When the Labour party is back in the hands of the left, I will vote for it again.
And if you're wondering, yes I'm upset that this will further harm myself and many working class people like me. But to preserve the integrity of the labour party, I accept that.
For the record, I'm a scouser, and my leftist MP Dan Carden is Amazing.
Absolutely right no point in voting
Same shite different shelf
Proportional representation is the answer
How do you expect proportional representation to happen if you never vote to make it happen?
@@xyzzdoe3674 none of them want proportional representation
Helena, amazing as always. I'm voting Green too. I will be voting, just not for Labour ✌
It's why I'm grateful for preferential voting in Australia. Labor is Tory-lite here too, but with preferential voting you can vote for a better third party candidate, and send your 2nd preference to the least-bad major party.
And last year Australia elected a record number of green and independent MPs.
Not much sign that's making Labor any less shit yet, but maybe another election like that might...
Exactly this. Labor is more often than not, in cahoots with LNP. Albanese has betrayed the working class and the environment.
How can a Labour leader praise Margaret Thatcher. Just like when Tony Blair invited her to 10 Downing street.
Me & my wife are both voting for the green party they are more aligned with what we want in our government rather than tory lite (labour) the party of no real change.
At least she admits it, I will be voting green.
I loved Helena's explanation of why NOT to vote tactically. That's the point of democracy. Vote, spoil or stay home - make your own democratic choice.
Well maybe it could be called vote Tactically for the Next Next election.
We willing to risk suffering one more election cycle 5 years more to show that these inefficient half measures and half accepting old tory policies they wont even roll back, is not good enough.
Personally i might not dare do that. But i cant fault them.
But the move to not remove newly damaging applied tory policies and the way that people has been thrown out for their positions is absolutely disgraceful and worthy of losing votes for Labour.
Hear hear a lady with principle refusing to vote labour
Voting green. There is no way I can vote for Kier.
*Kid Starver.
I joined Labour and became a member and a activist for them but after what they did to Corbyn I quit and can’t vote for them
Labour is finished! Green 100%!
All bs democracy is a scam
Great. People take Black voters for granted. Labour takes us for granted. They don't see things from our point of view. Voting LABOUR is a worst of time. I agree entirely with her. Not Voting LABOUR ever again.
Voted Labour 40 years , certainly not under the current turd .There are lots of Parties to vote for ,I'm going with Plaid Cymru in Wales ,they are Socialist .
Me too! I don't agree with everything Plaid stand for, but I agree with them enough to vote for them. Our unruly neighbour can fight amongst itself, just leave us alone.
Unfortunately Plaid' s maine raison d'ettre is to support Drakeford's disastrous Labour Senedd operation. It's a politically incestuous relationship. So a plague on both their houses.
Not really. they're just Nationalist Tories posing as Socialists.
I only vote Plaid Cymru, and am a paying party member. Our plaid candidate is one of the local councillors and actually does pass policies that make a real tangible difference in the community.
I can’t say the same of our Tory MP or whoever the hell the labour candidate is that put a no-info cryptic leaflet in our letter box.
They do the same up here, it get torn up and binned straight away, we don't read anything from Lavatory, Liebour or Fib-De.
SNP gets binned too now, after 9 years of Incompetence and failure to get us out this "union".
I'll waste my vote on Alba if they put up a cadidate in my area or i just won't vote.
"let's keep what we have" is no solution.
Neither is voting Liebour.
agreed
@@daviddavies2945
Anything but Tory.
When we demand a change to the voting system, i'll vote Green.
It'll probably never happen again during our lifetime, the Tories saw to that with their scaremongering people to vote against it the last time it came up.
Labour = tory
God bless her, the young lady is spot on, forget labour, and the tories both sing of the same mime sheet
What is the point of spoiling the ballot when you can have a lie in, do nothing and still achieve the same result?! I'll probably do the same. I'm hoping for a Labour minority government that needs to pander to the other parties in order to pass laws. If they win outright, that will only confirm "being like the Tories is the only way to win"
Because if you spoil your ballot paper you’re still exorcising your vote and it gets recorded
The main benefit is it shows you are willing to turn up. That's especially important if you're young. Currently you're almost totslly ignored when parties write their manifestos
If they see a spike in young people voting third party, or actively trashing their ballot in protest, the next manifestos are going to be rather different!
Because spoiled ballots do in fact count, they appear on every election result and can’t be ignored.
Helena has hit the nail on the head.
Love the Green Party getting promoted on Novara Media! 💚
I absolutely agree with her view, I will vote green when I would have always Labour, I voted for Starmer but never again 🇵🇸🙏
Helena needs her own show
What’s the point of voting tactically if both the largest parties are essentially the same. After Tory Blair I was revolted by Labour, Corbyn was the only glimmer of hope but since his witch hunt expulsion I’m done with Labour, they are worse than the Tories, so it’s Green or nothing for me.
We don't live in a democracy. She's telling it how it is. Shes not alone.
I was in South Africa when Nelson Mandela was released from prison and was an electoral candidate.
For the first time in their lifes, millions of people had the right to vote. You should have seen the queues. Hours and hours long people stood in the hot midday sun just to mark their paper. I've never taken the right to vote for granted since then. I'm a product of my upbringing.
Im voting Green but totally understand why some might not vote.
totally agree and here in Wales I will vote Plaid Cymru
Starmer not listen, he's not interested in progressive policies.
I hope Keir Starmer doesn't see this interview, or he'll kick her out the party as well 3:53
I'll only vote Labour if and only if they put PR in their manifesto.
Starmer is a weather vane, not someone I could vote for. I agree I am sick of the neoliberal Overton window you are only aloud to vote for now. Corbyn was not a cult figure, it was the social democratic manifesto that millions joined the labour party for, how many members do the party have now?!
Vote greens then if you want change
Totally agree with her Kier Starmer was only praising Margaret Thatcher the other day Every Labour Party member in Liverpool should pull him up on that What she did to us scoucers Hillsborough
I can understand someone's reluctance to vote for Starmer's Labour, but to vote Tory will be far more damaging.
I have not yet decided what to do at the next election. I live in a Labour constituency that was previously Tory, and I don't want a Tory to return, albeit that is unlikely the way things look at the moment.
Like Helena, I am thinking of voting where my heart really lies, the Green party.
Trans member of the Green Party is an oxymoron given the Green Women's Group was only suspended last week for transphobia, sort your own shit out before attacking others
What's the point of being engaged if you're not given much of a choice. She should at least vote third party though.
I will use my vote, even if I spoil it, but I will never I will ever vote conservative or labour for rest of my life.
People talk about being engaged in the democratic process as if abstaining from voting isn't a valid engagement with the democratic process.
the british labour party is really just tory lite - the real labour party had corbyn as their leader but britons prefer tory lite than the real deal
exactley my point too - 'why vote for Tory Lite ?"
A lot of people won't vote for labour while that stooge is its leader.
A lot more people have said they will vote for Labour while Starmer is its leader...
I don’t want a continuation of current policies, so I’m not going to vote for it
Period
Labour have been allowed to simply take our votes for granted (I’m disabled abd LGBTQ, two groups that traditionally vote Labour) for too long
It requires more than a red tie to gain my vote
Keir Starmer's stance on Palestine destroyed what little respect I had for the man. I will never vote Labour while he remains leader. I used to be a Labour member.
Absolutely agree. Starmer is and has always been someone more concerned with their personal future than the job in hand. (Citation: personal service under his cps) Corbyn is a politician.
Voting Green too. Certainly not Starmer's Israel Party.
If you go to a restaurant and the two choices are maggots and crap why are they shocked she does not want to place an order?
Helena's logic for voting Green even when you know they don't stand a chance is perfect. You should always for what you believe in, never vote tactical.
Tactical voting used to be a route to enable a new policy platform. Now it's a route to enable a change of name. Practically useless beyond a superficial level.
I really don’t understand how Labour have positioned themselves so far to the right and vilify Jeremy Corbyn. He had his flaws but a lot of people agreed with his social policies. Kier told us to take that open door and we have. I’ll be voting Green
Cannot bring myself to vote for Labour. Not since what they did to Corbyn. You may say I am handing power to the Tories next election, but it isn't my sole responsibility that this political system is totally fucked.
You won't get change under tories. Get Labour in power we can get PR. tories in power mean people die, it's that simple.
Better the devils we know ?
in actual fact, those currently in charge of "Team L" handed the last election to the Tories, for the sole purpose of bringing the leadership back to the right. So they have absolutely no grounds to call the left "enablers".
and with your ilk it will remain so. Corbin gave us the biggest defeat for almost a century - you seem happy with that.
The very people that betrayed Corbyn also handed power to the Tories five years ago...
Anyone saying that refusing to vote for Tory-lite is handing power to the Tories needs to ask themselves what they were doing five years ago (but I suspect they know all too well).
LBC, Leading Britain's Conservatives, nothing more. And I love how JC still lives in their heads.
She speaks for a lot of labour voters we don't need another Tony Blair.
I was a labour but I will not vote any more.wastage of time
She’s right I’ve never voted for a right wing party no matter what colour tie they wear
I like her and she's dead right Starmer is just Tory light.