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You should react to The Greatest Show on Earth. Wonderful arrangements in that song. Live in Tampere would be my recommendation. Keep up the great work; and maybe do some Iron Maiden just for the fun of it. \m/ From one old guy to another, brother!
I agree to both.
Agree on everything you just said!
And when you do, make sure you watch it all the way up till the end, past the end credits! There's a small surprise in there
Yes this! The one with lyrics too.
Agree. As a composer you would surely enjoy it. And there is a lot to decompose.
Their new Album Human Nature is on TH-cam as lyric videos since they haven’t had a chance to play it live yet.
Shoemaker from that album is an awesome tribute to an American planetary scientist named Eugene Shoemaker. His ashes are buried on the moon. Cool song that has a very different sound from older stuff. I think you’d like it.
Shoemaker, please! Geebz, despite your advanced age, you've never heard anything like this song. (Well, *I* haven't. And I'm quite advanced as well.)
I agree, Shoemaker is an absolute must!
Yep i agree on this as well... th Shoemaker is a wonderful piece of art! :-)
Yes! If you’re doing studio versions, I’d recommend their new album - then you could see how far Thomas has come as a composer :D
I’d love to see your feedback on all the songs, since they each have their own style and structure - but Shoemaker is a great place to start!
Just please read up on Eugene Shoemaker first, since that adds a lot to the song.
I’d also love to see your analysis of Music and Pan from the new album!
And please, NW fans love full-on nerdy analysis, so please don’t hold back!
I'd go with Shoemaker as well, great song, great sentiment.
If you research Eugene Shoemaker on Wikipedia you will find something rather special at the end of the Awards and Tributes section.
The Islander, both the live and studio versions. They're almost different songs and both are awesome.
Totally agree! The live version is amazing but the music video really sells the story being told.
Just an absolutely stunning song in general!
Couple points I haven't seen in the comments - 1) Troy is playing the Tin Whistle for the majority of this performance (I believe there are a couple of passages where he is also playing his uilleann pipes). 2) Cello (stand up bass) - That is the now former bassist Marco (just announced last week that Marco has resigned from the band. You can find his letter to the fans on the Nightwish website. Best of luck in everything you do Marco). Tuomas, the keyboardist, is the primary arranger for the band. Also lovingly referred to as the "Metal Mozart" by the Nightwish Army.
Spot on.
I also wish Marco nothing but the best in his new journey. It is true, Nightwish won't be the same without him. I just hope they can find someone to carry the torch.
@@horseshoe_nc I believe they will. But it also means that we have have an open mind again, because whoever it will be, it's going to be different. Most likely not worse, but different.
Goddamn, that was a hit I didn't expect. Out of all the band members, I didn't think it would be Marco. I know he had his reasons, though, and, hopefully, he'll be back. For now, I'm gonna go binge "While Your Lips are Still Red".
Nightwish has had lineups changes in the past. Sure, some totally changed their "sound." What didn't change was, still awesome music.
I totally understand and respect Marco's reasons. He will still be missed.
This far, it seems, as long as Tuomas and maybe Emppu stay in the band the story will go on. New musicians with different capabilities may even give Tuomas new directions to take the band to.
If you're looking for orchestral and a studio track, can't go wrong with All the Works of Nature Which Adorn the World off their latest album.
This! All The works of nature brings me to tears. It's gorgeous.
Fantastic!! You must see SHOEMAKER by Nightwish Album Human Nature
Please, do pause whenever you feel like you have something to say, it don't think it makes anyone cringe, it's usually very interesting, especially for someone with no musical background who isn't able to pick out all these nuances on their own (like me, haha).
Btw, since you seem to enjoy Nightwish so much, maybe you'd consider checking out another major symphonic metal band, Epica. They have just released a stunningly beautiful ballad called "Rivers". Also, there's an awesome live performance of their song "Sancta Terra" with Floor herself (and an entire symphonic orchestra)!
Seconded. If we want to see the track uninterrupted, the original video is available for that. Good call!
Ooh yes, and for Epica's own epics, maybe 'Kingdom of Heaven' or 'Design Your Universe'?
I would suggest Shoemaker from their latest album. Cool song structure, timings, orchestration and it's the album version.
The Drummer does some odd time signature juggling that are impressive to see!
Nightwish - Meadows of Heaven (album version). I think you would really like that arrangement. They even have gospel at the end, which I really enjoy. It's from the Dark Passion Play album with former singer Anette Olzon.
This track does not get enough attention. It might be Annette's best work
I would love to hear your thoughts about “Shoemaker.” :)
I think their best studio recording is Music from their 2020 album Human | Nature. Not only is the sound incredible, the composition and orchestration is amazing, the performances are phenomenal, and the thematic content of the lyrics is beautiful.
Regarding this particular song, it’s fairly simple as far as nightwish music goes, but it has such a beautiful melody. Low key one of my favorite songs of theirs.
In interviews, Floor has mentioned there was a lot of singing low and quiet on this album, which pushed her to try something unique. Some fans interpreted that as being "gracious" because her talents weren't used much and it was somehow easy to do. I think those who don't sing, especially those who aren't sopranos, might not know that "low and quiet" is talking about bringing a mixed or even head voice down to the lower range of the voice. It's actually not very easy to do! And it can be a soprano's weakness. High notes? We've got plenty of those. But some of the verses (Shudder Before the Beautiful) are in the absolute basement of what I can sing, and I imagine it's closer to the bottom of what Floor can do too. So to say "low and quiet" was a unique challenge was honest of her.
Thanks for explaining this. I was wondering why Floor’s full range and power wasn’t being utilised very much in the album
Same with trumpets. Low and quiet is hard, because it's both really hard and every mistake is really noticable.
It's really really really difficult to pick Nightwish songs, they are all amazingly composed! However, I highly suggest you to react to the song "Music" from their now album. You, as a composer, will really understand the depth of the song and the homage it pays to, well, the history of music!
Indeed. It's music speaking to us.
Yes!
It’s like a love letter from music to mankind
Shoemaker from Nightwish's Human Nature album is a song you will love and I would love to hear your take on it. The musician playing the cello is Marko, he's normally the bass player, unfortunately he's just announced his retirement from the music industry. If you would like to hear his vocal abilities the Endlessness from Human Nature is a fantastic song to hear that. So many Nightwish songs I could recommend lol
If you want to analyze a studio track I'd enjoy seeing you check out something off the new album (2020 release). Noise has a music video but the whole album has really nice lyric videos and music and pan are two of my personal favorites.
I'd add Shoemaker.
Music has to give everybody who Loves music goosebumps and teary eyes
@@kharnynb, well, it's got to be Shoemaker. It's a composer's piece.
All great songs, no wrong choice. In terms of music complexity I would say Pan sits higher than Shoemaker and Music coming in a close second. Not to say any of them are simple, but Pan offers a bit more to decompose so to speak.
Music has a wider soundscape to experience. Shoemaker has great harmonies and a singular sound that isn’t found in much of today’s music.
Wind instrument:
The intro starts with a tin whistle and then when the band comes in, you can also hear an uilleann pipe (the bagpipe-like sound except at a higher register). Both instruments are commonly used in Celtic music and are performed by Troy Donockley in this recording.
"Shoemaker" from their Human Nature album & "The Greatest Show on Earth" from their Tampere live concert! You will not regret this!
A good example of more accurate live recording is Dead Boy's Poem - Live In Buenos Aires 2018. You should try that one too.
Very bare, crisp, revealling and clean sound.
'Music' from their newest album is lovely and has some neat musical elements! There's an official lyric video they have up to listen to.
You should definitely check out "Shoemaker" by Nightwish. There is a lyrics video. Very dynamic song.
Nice job, Geebz, thank you for doing more Nightwish :-)
Do Shoemaker from their latest album.
the backing vocals of Marco in this are just perfect
Can we all acknowledge how jaw droppingly beautiful floor looked in this video
i think you should try one of these to truly hear the full composition;
- harvest
- last of the wilds
- dead boy's poem
- 10th man down (album version)
- live to tell the tale (my absolute favorite nightwish song!!!!, but sadly still unreacted to on youtube) (no live exists, as it was a "mere" bonus track)
I've heard so much of their live stuff, and hardly any of their studio album work. I prefer the live stuff by far! Can't say that for too many bands🤘
Great review! Just a couple of things I wanted to clarify from your interpretations;
1.) The band's primary composer is Tuomas Holopainen, the keyboardist, who has studied classical music, but generally draws inspiration from cinematic film styles. Though other band members contribute their own compositions, the vision of Nightwish is ultimately determined by him. Tuomas writes orchestra pieces himself, which are then further adapted by record producer Pip Williams for the session orchestra to perform.
2.) The "cellist" you suspected of being the composer is actually the band's bassist/male vocalist, Marko Hietala (the cello was a visual choice for the video). He is a talented composer in his own right, having contributed to the band, as well as his solo work and band with his brother. Marko has a less orchestra-centric background, but he is a classically trained guitarist and vocalist.
I would love to hear more Nightwish reactions from you! I definitely have my own requests, but I think the rest of the comment section has you well covered on that.
I’ve noticed from watching a few of your videos that while listening, your eyes move and it’s very clear that your mind is deeply engaged. I find that as entertaining as anything because I’m the same exact way when I’m passively listening to music throughout the day, and I’m no music professional. Just a fan. Also, I get those chills and other physical manifestations of emotion from music, like goosebumps
Thank you so much for taking interest in the studio work as well. So many people push the ‘live only!’ mantra that most reactors won’t stray from that. There is so much beautiful work in the catalog that doesn’t exist in quality live form, and even the ones that do have good lives are such a different experience in studio. I can’t imagine choosing one or the other when there’s so much that all of them have to offer.
If you're interested and want a bad in a similar vein, I'd highly suggest Kamelot with their song Elizabeth. The live version is amazing.
the only problem with that is that in part III, Thomas gets lazy and doesn't play the riff problem, while there is also only 1 guitar, so it's missing parts and feels empty at times when he's playing lead parts
Also Xandria's Neverworld's End - though it was admittedly made to sound like Nightwish.
I could be wrong, but I believe what troy is playing is an Irish tin whistle. Thanks for another great Nightwish reaction video Geebz
wow, I'm becoming a Nightwish fan.
Based on this reaction, you'll absolutely love Shomekaer from their newest album. It's accompanied by a beautiful lyric video, and the vocals and story behind this piece is just breathtaking.
I almost get teary eyed everytime i hear floors voice... i dont know why but the best i can describe is that it reminds me of the innocence of childhood and brings me back to a time where things were so simple if that made any sense i love nightwish and they pair up perfectly with each other
I did not think Floor could look any better, but when she has the 1940's hairdo she is absolutely stunning!
It would be interesting for you to do a review of Nightwish that’s studio and live back to back.
Hahaha "Howzit" is such South African greeting. Hope you come visit one day. Love your stuff.
Do we think he's ready for The Greatest Show on Earth yet?😉 I'm partial to the live at Tampere version myself🤘 Keep it up, my friend👍
I was on tour couple years ago, and I'll just say my bandmates' music tastes don't often agree with mine lol. But this song came on and it immediately caught my ear and I asked what it was and added it to my own playlist.
Great vid, lovin it all 🤘
This song along with the video is one of the most positive songs from Nightwish, and I love it so much!
Noise - from the new Human Nature album has a video clip!
Shoemaker, Pan, Procession - Epic!
The whole 2nd CD is orchestral.
Yet another great reaction! You should check "The Greatest Show on Earth, Live at Tampere" and check the backstory also.
After hearing this song numerous times (studio and live) I had never noticed the harp run until you mentioned it. Thanks for that.
I’ve seen them perform this song live twice. It is such a feel good song, almost a celebration. Such a great song.
To really hear what Tuomas can do arrangements wise, I would suggest to react to the official video of his solo project, Music Inspired by the Life and Times of Scrooge, especially the song A Lifetime Of Adventure. Regarding live vs studio, when I discovered them a little while back, I bough the compilation studio album Decades which contains all their most important songs sung by the original singers and later I bought their 3 most recent live albums with Floor and let's just say that I almost never listen to the compilation album except for a couple of songs, so that should tell you all that I think about their live performances vs the studio recordings.
I almost missed this video. Not sure how, but I'm here. Lol. Can't go wrong with Nightwish. Geebz, HOW'S IT?! Looking forward to more Meshuggah and Nightwish both.
I love that you start every reaction with 'Howzit'.
-very South African 🙂🇿🇦
You can rename this channel to "Billy Joel reacts" and everyone would believe it 🤣 but seriously this has become one of my favorite react channels lately.
The guy in the cello is Marko. He's the (now former) bassist.
And instead of cello, I would it was a standing bass that he was playing.
Alright, now you're getting me into stuff I've never heard before. I'm totally still here and will continue to be.
Dude, just got onto you the last couple of days. By far the best 'reaction/analysis' Chanel on TH-cam. Thanks for the insight and entertainment. It's great seeing someone react so honestly to music for the first time. heartfelt and inspiring; keep up the amazing work.
Yep. Greatest Show on Earth at Tampere.
I never saw any band do live, what they did there. 🙂
You should do "How`s the heart" as a two video reacion. First the lyrics version and then the acuostic version.... that would be very interesting for you as a composer.
Not to mention that in How's the heart there's a link to this song in the lyrics "We met where the cliff greets the sea". A nice little curiosity :)
I love the layers in thie piece. It is also amazing live, as the band brings the audience into the song and it becomes an incredibly high energy piece. The Buenos Aires rendition is my favourite. Thanks.
I crowd surfed to Elan at Download festival, three times :D
Do a Live version comparison, to pin point the differences.
Endless Forms Most Beautiful the video is another great one!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
thanks for listening to the studio versions. as far as reaction videos go they are highly underrated.
Looking through your reactions, I’m surprised you haven’t yet reacted to Wintersun! Please consider reacting to their song, “Sons of Winter and Stars,” particularly the live rehearsal recording at Sonic Pump Studios. It’s likely to show up as the top video in your search. It’s a metal masterpiece, including insane drumming from Kai Hanto (who currently drums for Nightwish!) and amazing vocals from Jari Mäenpää, who writes all the music except for the drums, which are written by Kai. I have yet to see a reactor who’s been disappointed by this epic masterwork. Please, please give it a listen on the channel!
☝️ This one
Thirded. Nightwish songs are just a afternoon tea for Kai, in Wintersun he actually has to sweat. But he got to compose the drum parts himself, so he was able to pick tricks and patterns no one else might be able to play exactly the same. At this level everyone is somehow unique.
This was another amazing reaction video to my favorite band thank you.The guy playing the Cello is Marko and he is the bass player. 😊🤘 Can you please react to Nightwish Yours Is An Empty Hope from Wembley 2015.🙏🙏🙏😋
I've been watching your videos for a few weeks now, and I'm really enjoying them. I'd love to hear your take on some songs from The Dillinger Escape Plan. A few key songs that stick out to me are "Dissociation", "Mouth Of Ghosts", "Widower", "Nothing to Forget", "43% Burnt", "Understanding Decay" and basically any other song they have out there. Haha. I typically feel like their albums are best went listened to in their entirety, but I understand that's not a realistic request. Thanks again and keep up the good work!
I really love your stuff man,you do know so much about music it often amazes me so much...
Ha, Nightwish is the world champion of modulations! Hardly any song goes without one or two! 😉😊
Among the others mentioned for arrangements, Meadows of Heaven is something you would never forget...
This and Ghost Love Score are my two favorite NW songs. I'm a big fan of Celtic influences.
I think viewers Nightwish fans would like if you do reactions/decompose also the music tracks. It will be something new since most people are reacting to live performances all the time.
Great Reaction. Please, do more Nightwish. They (and especially Tuomas) are worth the decomposing from a good composer. I'm myself are a sinfonic musician and had been working with many great (european) Composers. I'm hoping after this pandemic we all can go back to our orchestra and make great music again.
PS: I'm a longtime Nightwish fan (since 2001) and saw them live. They are as good as it seems.
Great choice and explanation there. Loved the decomposition like you did for so many recorded Tool tracks before.
Nightwish tracks have mostly been composed by a single composer. This results in a lot of well aimed end executed awesomeness, especially given the genre and the elite class performers in the team. In a way the works by Tuomas seem similar to me as the way Devin Townsend approaches his compositions, arrangements and production.
From a composing pov I can imagine Tool goes through a rather different kind of process. They more have a 'band'- composing process where each individual instrumentalist (singer included) writes their part as they move along. As a fan of The Gathering and the aforementioned three others, I recognise the Tool way of working in the productions by The Gathering, who have inspired both Tuomas and Devin with their early albums like Mandylion. Now I wonder, and hope, if you could possibly filet one of the following (most of them) lesser known, yet intricate, compositions by The Gathering:
* 'Sand and Mercury' (1995): th-cam.com/video/QFGMroyKUKY/w-d-xo.html
* 'Travel' (1998): th-cam.com/video/Y46Lft_BZxo/w-d-xo.html
* 'Analog Park' (2000): th-cam.com/video/04vaC74qEM4/w-d-xo.html
* 'Black Light District' (2002): th-cam.com/video/g_NrZpyU5H8/w-d-xo.html
* 'Even the Spirits are Afraid' (2003): th-cam.com/video/CI_r92LZPqM/w-d-xo.html
* 'Heroes for Ghosts' (2012): th-cam.com/video/KUO6MuarlBA/w-d-xo.html
* 'I can see 4 Miles' (2012): th-cam.com/video/4Xrkuo5vwVg/w-d-xo.html
I added a few live performances for reference, but I understand real fans would prefer the recordings for the same reasons you so elaborately explained in the beginning of your video. Recorded tracks are also available on YT. You'll also notice the same differences between the vocals of both Anneke and Silje live versus recorded. Like Floor, Maynard and Devin, Anneke is a force of nature live and appears to hold back (or put in less effort, dependent on how you wish to look at it) in recorded tracks. But unlike Floor and Devin, but like Maynard, she wrote the music for her own instrument. Unlike Nightwish The Gathering chose to stick to a non-commercial approach in everything they did, accepting the consequences of having lower budget for production etc. Yet, nonetheless, many of their compositions are acclaimed for their intricacy. I wonder how you look at the results and these processes.
Superb breakdown. Thank you.
Nice reaction, love the analysis from your professional view and expertise.
Hey Geebs! I know you mentioned getting back into the metalcore and prog rock soon. I haven't read many of the comments in past videos, but I've been a pretty long time lover of Periphery and they've led me into a pretty cool place for excellent heavy, technical, yet still melodic and ambient bands. My current absolute favourite band is ERRA. I'd love to hear what you have to say about them. Also, through my recent subscription to TH-cam music, I've been turned onto Unprocessed lately. Damn, they're good! Nice to see Spiritbox is getting some plays though, that style is my jam! Love your work, man, always fun to watch and listen to new music and new takes on old favourites. Thanks!
Yep, Floor makes us 'goober' when trying to describe her abilities. Or is that gibber?
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Amazing melodic death metal! Awesome bassist and super catchy breakdowns with the guitar. It would be amazing to see you give some melodic death metal some love and take a deep dive Into the genre! You can go down that rabbit hole for months on end!
Totally agree, as I'm still happily stuck in that rabbit hole. One reason you may like Be'lakor is since the may be classified as "progressive" melodic death metal if you wish, a bit similar in style to Opeth.
Thanks for the enlightening reactions.
Let's see some more band variety!!! :) Thx for awesome videos!
Greetings DeComposer... newer Nightwish songs/albums are amazing... but please when you have the time check some of their older stuff from the Tarja Turunen era... she was one of the founding members with Tuomas Holopainen (keyboardist) and Emppu Vuorinen (guitarist) and she was the lead vocalist from the beginning in 1996 until 2005.
Keep DeComposing !
Aloha !
I'd love to hear your thoughts on Endlessness by Nightwish! It is the last track of their newest album and Marco's final song with the band. I get chills almost every time I listen to it!
Lovely as this song is, its on the simpler side for Nightwish - I hope you’ll listen to some of the songs from their new album, if you’re also doing studio versions now.
There would be SO many things for you to analyse - the new songs are wonderfully complex and untraditional in structure :)
Several people have already recommended individual songs from the album, so i wont go into that - all the songs are wonderful and each has its own “personality”, that would be fun for you to analyse :P
They hire real orchestra members to record the orchestral instruments
Hello, hello! Great vid as always! Recommending King Crinson - I talk to the wind
I second that (as a composer) you would love love "The Greatest Show On Earth", but also you might love "The Poet and the Pendulum"
I do suggest you do a tiny bit of research on that last one. (Something about a traumatic/depressed time after firing the lead vocalist Tarja)
These are 2 true master pieces from Tuomas hand.
As always, I enjoy your comments! Tuomas writes the songs and he's also the composer. There are some other really great songs, one that comes to mind is "Shoemaker!"
Thank you for your insights into the composition. As you said, it enhances the listening experience. And you do a great job at it! Tuomas (keyboard player and main composer) is getting better all the time and you should definitely listen to their latest album Human Nature. One of my personal favourite tracks is Pan and I would love to hear your take on it!
Tuomas is heavily inspired by films and filmmusic and this track has a ton of references. I think you will like it.
If you want to see full orchestra, as
Konrad Stańczyk suggested, do "Sancta Terra" by Epica. It is live, Floor does a duet with Simone Simons and there is a 90 piece orchestra on stage and about 2 dozen backup singers/choir.
Been really enjoying your channel ever since I discovered it. For a suggestion, I would love to hear your breakdown of a prog-metal/prog-rock band called Haken. Falling Back To Earth, The Architect, Messiah Complex are all great tracks to check out. Cheers!
love to hear your thoughts on the poet and the pendulum live at Wembley with its 5 segments musically its busy its good to get a composers view on things rather than a singer/vocal coach
Wel now you have to check out the live version in Buenos Aires. Its banging.
Just for your info... You kept talking about the "backing track" in past videos. That's the London Symphonic Orchestra!
I'll also recommend "Meadows of Heaven", just an excellent, relaxing track.
The wind instrument you are referring to are uilleann pipes (Irish bagpipes). Check them out, they are awesome, man!
Thank you for that.
Great job thankyou for doing this one, think you would enjoy any song from their new album human nature.
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Thanks for this! I usually like live and probably because I grew up going to a bunch of concerts. But sometimes the studio versions are just what the doctor ordered. I highly recommend checking out their latest album Human :||: Nature 😉 They have lyric videos for all of disc one and disc 2 is all symphonic instrumental composition 😎
Have a great night!!!
Loved the commentary. Very educational. It would have been interesting to see you immediately follow up with the live version. Whether recorded or live Nightwish is excellent. However, live is funner. 😁
I too would recommend Greatest Show on Earth from Nightwish if you REALLY want a long one to decompose. There's a lot going on in that piece, and it is all great.
I believe this is the first track you are hearing with Troy playing the wind instruments. He does indeed play those live on stage (along with the uilleann pipes) in the songs they are used. If you keep watching live videos, you'll eventually come across one with him on stage.
It is so joyful to watch how you enjoy listening to this music
Very interesting to hear your perspective on this. I find the Studio and Live versions to be so different that I tend to treat them as separate pieces of music to be listened too according to mood. The studio albums are much more orchestral, but (for me) do not capture the emotion that Floor is capable of putting across in a live performance. I really recommend that you listen to the second CD of the Human :: Nature album, it's basically orchestral with some vocals used as instruments. Your take on it with your background would be fascinating.
You should check document serie "Nightwish - making new album 2015" (5 min. videos). There you will see different way or place to do studiowork.
I wish they would play the classical guitar ending when they play it live. It's so pretty.