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Remember: It's illegal to bribe a politician... unless you call it "lobbying".
Yeah
Still agree with that comic who said politicians should be like NASCAR drivers, wearing jackets with all of their sponsors on it.
@amanawolf9166 Robin William's I recall said this once. I think George Carlin did too. Not sure which said it first.
I agree, copyright law has been misused since the late 70’s. It’s not about protecting artists anymore, it’s now a form of corporate welfare. I wish we’d get a congress that would bring copyright law back to the 1909 law. That one made sense.
Which one was that?
@@thegodofalldragonsThe auther’s death plus 12/14 years, then public domain. If this law wasn’t changed, Mickey would have been in public domain since 1978/1976.
It's a nightmare, even here on TH-cam with classical music... apparently there's some company in Brazil claiming to own the rights to Beethoven and Mozart, and TH-cam's staff are too stupid to stop them... I used to produce classical music videos, and I spent a lot of time writing up justifications documenting the creation date. I alway won. Because I was always arguing that public domain material was in fact public domain.
Plus the prolonged copyright law just stagnates culture I mean just look at it lol.
@@andywellsglobaldomination in fairness, the _performance_ has a copyright separate from the musical piece. It is legitimate to claim that you are violating the rights of a recent performance of the piece. That said, TH-cam's system is pretty broken. I used a public domain performance of Garibaldi's Winter from the US Army Band and then got slapped with a takedown several years later. Which I fought only because I was so pissed off that they were claiming copyright. 😆
Plus if old characters would enter the public domain sooner, then it'd force media companies to create new characters instead, increasing creativity further. So not only does a long copyright term decrease creativity by limiting independent creators, but also by making corporations lazy and safe.
Not sure I follow your logic here. If copyright law stops any old Joe from using existing characters for their own purposes, wouldn't that act as a spur to create new characters, new universes, etc.
Corporations haven't become lazy and unadventurous because copyright laws give protection for too long, but because selling existing characters to the public (even long past their use-by date) has become easier and cheaper than developing new ones; and that in itself is in part because much of the public would rather stick to that old flavour than try something new.
@@ShanghaiRooster except, corporations Have become lazy as a result.
@@SoloRenegade Again, I have to disagree. If you look up the top grossing movies from the 1990s, 2000s, 2010s you can see how things change. In the earliest decade the list is dominated by standalone films, suggesting that creative people were still dominant in Hollywood. It's in the 2000s that franchises start to take over, a trend that got worse in the 2010s. The move to franchises coincides with the increasing dominance of bean counters in the movie industry. It shouldn't perhaps be a surprise that the so-called 'golden age' of television emerges around that same time, as creative writers move from the big to the small screen.
@@ShanghaiRooster exactly, you're proving my point. They got lazy.
Not long ago, Winnie the Pooh was turned into a summer camp slasher. Ooh, fun.
Willie Mouse’s Steamboat of Horror. Hollywood make this happen!
@@logicrules5793 They already are. Mickey's Mouse Trap, a slasher film with the killer wearing a Steamboat Willie Mickey mask, is on it's way & they already released the first trailer (unless Disney tries to sue, which they might).
Bribery is alive and well in politics. Always has been. Always will be.
Humanity hasn't changed one bit in its whole history. Only difference now from civilizations thousands of years ago is that we have smartphones. Human nature has remained the same.
I appreciate the encouragement for people to create their own properties. We need some original ideas and productions.
Problem is
It takes skill
It takes time, which some people don't have if they don't want to starve under a bridge..
Q_Q
If you want to make a profit (because READ PREVIOUS) you either catch a trend/audience) market or need some agent/company to do it for you, which probably means more money needed or have them put stuff to your product you didn't need or maybe even wanted!
(I remember from TVtropes an anime movie , KITE I think, only made production after the only producer that went for it added sex scenes. I saw the "censored" version on Cable TV and had no clue there was sex until years later! In hindsight it clarified dialogue from an third act scene, but it could also be referring to offscreen events...
That's harder these days because people like recycled garbage. They don't value art and the creative process, they go at it from a very "consoomerist" angle.
Just look at how much more attentions artists that make fan art, memes, and R34 get compared to artists make their own original art. It literally doesn't matter how good it is. Piggy-backing off something else ALWAYS garners more attention on the internet and it's why the internet is starting to suck. Everyone is just copying trends and riding hype trains.
We do. We just don't have the marketing to get our work noticed let alone promoted.
@@MustafaKulle THIS
@@MustafaKulle For me the problem is that people aren't willing to take a chance on an unknown. I can say I'm writing the next Lord of the Rings, and still it doesn't translate into any kind of financial benefit. I've learned the hard way that you have to stop worrying about money, advertising, getting promoted, etc and just make the best thing you possibly can and put it out there. Nothing else is going to work.
"We have to create our own." Exactly. Go indie. Support indie. #supportindie
I'm sorry, my friend. We cannot support India at this time. 😅
Having more IP in public domain will help the process of creating new IP. That’s kind of the main point to the PD.
Where's the money going to come from?
The characters introduced are what matters, as adaptations of course take them in different directions. Once a character enters PD it’s basically free for all.
Yes. Using those versions now in public domain, you can take them in any direction you want.
Recent BBC Dracula "So Mr Harker, did you have sex with Count Dracula?" - the female Van Helsing
Well you can now have a black & white generic anthropomorphic mouse in your animations without getting sued by Disney's lawyers. You just can't name it Mickey Mouse.
Can I legally watch Steamboat Fatty now ?
@@Marinealver Disney company hates freedom of speech they do not control or gets in theyre agenda's way this is not Wald Disney nor Disney magic anymore
Let's not kid ourselves. These corporations will keep fighting to extend the copyright length as much as possible to keep the stranglehold they have on creator's ideas. These laws were put in place from the beginning not to protect creators but to shore up the control that huge companies have over the industry.
I mean if they can’t have some benefit from their creation for a period what is the incentive?
They didn't even really bother to try extending the copyright term a few years ago because they knew that public opinion had turned against them. It is unlikely that the current 95 year copyright period will ever be extended.
The concern is Disney may try to use Trademark as a sort of continuous copyright. We’ll see.
@@jasonschlierman412 As long as it is obvious that, or the producers of derivative works make it clear that, it is not a Disney production, then there are no trademark issues.
Yeah, you can't really say it's for the creators anymore once you get to the point the copyrights are outliving said creators. By a lot.
I'm definitely pro-copyright as an idea (I want to be an author for a living one day, so I'd be stupid not to be), but what the heck am I gonna do with 70 more years of copyright after I'm dead?
Ahh lobbying, the fancy word for bribing.
I've always been pretty sympathetic to the story of why Walt Disney was the way he was about copyright, but the way that evolved into a corporate stranglehold over the law ruins the story. At least it's over now.
Out of curiosity, what's the story?
Walt created this character Oswald the lucky rabbit. but it was taken away from him by studio heads. so he had to make a new character ya might of heard of him mickey mouse@@tickletorture
I love Walt Disney but he was borderline abusive about copyright stuff. I get that he justified himself with stories about the hardships he endured as a young artist in pre-Code Hollywood, but it's somewhat difficult to justify some of the decisions he made to ensure his supremacy in the cartoon medium. At least, that I know of, he never took illegitimate action. All the rights he got, he bought, at the risk of bankrupcy.
Basically why we need to repeal the last 3 "updates" to copyright law. Which could happen, since companies like Disney have been falling out of favor with the public and people start to look back on the stuff they have done.
Factor in the improvement of AI content generation tools and you could be looking at an open source cultural renaissance. I know I'm working on revisionings of things like Anakin Skywalker's fall from grace and I'm sure there are many others... PRISM's 'What if the Star Wars sequels were awesome' series had some great revisionings for example.
Point of fact... It's a Wonderful Life became an American film class precisely *because* it was public domain and could be rented by TV stations on the cheap.... So what did the powers that be do? They colorized it and got that version out of public domain. It's why now you only see it once a year by it's owner - the IP slaveowners, NBC.
I've been pushing a progressive copyright model for decades.
Say the US feds setup a national copyright registry (or even a global body). Anyone can register their work by submitting it (creating a record) and paying $1. Easy and accessible.
Every year the copyright needs to be renewed at double the cost, which funds the registry.
After 10 years, you'd only be paying $512, which is nothing if your work is turning profit, and you'd have plenty of time to exploit your work.
After 20 years, it would cost half a million, which would still be worth it for large studios making million dollar projects.
Around 30 years, it hits a billion and is not longer worth paying except for the biggest properties out there.
The beauty of this system is that works that resonate with the public can still make lots of money for many years, while there's very little risk for experimenting with new ideas.
@@revolioclockman8090 Nice solution man
@@revolioclockman8090 This is a GROTESQUE violation of the individual's rights. The obscenity of it is seen if you apply it to *any* other right.
You want your own or your wife's or your children's life protected from murder? Well, when you are born, you pay $1. Easy and accessible.
Every year your protection from murder needs to be renewed at double the cost, which funds the police.
At the age of 10, you'd only be paying $512, which is nothing if your life is worth anything, and you'd have plenty of time to live that life.
At the age of 20, it would cost half a million, which is still affordable to those individuals who produce million/billion dollar values to society.
Around 30 years, it hits a billion, which means only the biggest contributors to society will be able to afford the PRIVILEGE of not being murdered.
The beauty of this system is that people who serve the public are still ALLOWED to live, while everyone else (who are not nearly as beneficial to society) get murdered and thus the field is cleared for the next generation to take over the jobs which otherwise would've been hogged by those older generations who would have prevented the young from taking over and 'innovating'. (Note: this last is precisely the 'argument' used against radical life extension, so it is not even 'far-fetched'.)
Hint for you: the life and effort of others human beings are *not* your PROPERTY. You don't get to dictate whose life - whose rights - are worthy or not worthy of defending. It is precisely from thieves, r@pists, murderers like yourself - ie precisely from those who *feel* the individual is their PROPERTY - from whom the individual must be *defended*.
But you have indeed identified the foundational roots - ie the *evil* - of the philosophy of the "progressive". So thanks for that!
Would be awesome if Star Wars was magically being put in public domain. One can dream.
This is why I've given up being a huge fanboy about the movies, comics, video games, etc. that I love. II still love the works that I'm into and give them the appraisal and critiques that they deserve, but if I become too obsessed then I will let those IPs dominate my creative vision and I would be stuck doing Fan Art all my life.
That's why I'm just focusing on making things that are original to me, that reflect me and my creative vision. Sure they can be influenced by the establish and copyrighted works I enjoy, but that element of originality must be something that I put in. It may be years before I can finally get a product out, but the journey has been thrilling in finding that sense of originality in me.
I wish you the best of luck in creating your own characters. I'm sure the process can be frustrating at times, but just remember the delight you will have when your own works are being enjoyed by the public.
Great idea!
Yes. Don't slavishly devote yourselves to these IP's. Break away and create your own, unique visions.
I totally like your direction, but one issue is art being such a cheap commodity these days. You literally get further as an artist drawing memes, fan art, and R34 these days than making actual good art. It's the same with all art forms. As an example, musicians that make stupid and funny songs based off memes, fandoms, and so on get WAY more attention that musicians making "actual" music with a real message and emotions behind it.
It's kind of sad, actually. No one values art these days. It's just a cheap commodity to them.
@@urphakeandgey6308 The AI revolution isn't going to help that, either. When art is a cheap commodity where quality is low priority, AI can churn out "content" faster than humans can.
Going into public domain may actually save some of these franchises
Yeah, can’t wait until Superman and Batman hit the public domain, the output of the average person that gets their hands on them then will surely be much better than what DC comics is currently doing
It won’t. It can’t. All that will happen is that lazy uncreative people will create cheap entertainment out of them. Going public domain didn’t help the Oz books, it only lead to more cheap movies and tv series.
@@gsleo2396 the batman and superman that will go into public domain will be the 1938 and 1939 version and not batman and superman as a whole. and even then trademark law is going to be a factor so you cant use the superman, superman related and batman, batman related trademarks
@@JIreland1992 why do you quote razorfist as if it's your own thought? Public domain did wonders for Frankenstein, Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, Alice in Wonderland, Pinocchio, Dorian Gray, Scrooge...
@@brick6347 because I agree with him on that. Also how many crappy Dracula and Frankenstein movies over the years. Don’t get me wrong, some great productions of those have come out, but let’s be honest most of the stuff made with them hasn’t been great. Same goes for the rest of the Stutch you mentioned. Remember that Pinocchio movie with Pauline Shore in it.
We live in a time where every one of us is our own content creator, artist and entertainer. I say let more of these characters and franchises be free for passionate and unchained independent creators to run wild with. We need to end the corporate stranglehold over art.
See, this a problem. People are viewing Steamboat entering public domain as a tool to "take down" the evil corporations. We need to unchain all the poor artists! Except all you are doing by making works based on existing characters is being a micro-corporation who can do nothing but churn out sequels, and make new version of old things with existing fans.
They are free, you can run as wild as you like..... unless you make money with it
You aren't allowed to profit from the characters; but you can use them all you like
James Bond, particularly the version of the character from Ian Fleming's books, has been public domain in Canada since 2015. Any Canadian production company (or TH-camr) could shoot their own adaptation of any of Fleming's books, but they would not be permitted to release it outside Canada.
Congress needs to repeal those copyright extensions.
Wouldn't it be funny if someone took these characters and, I dunno, used them to counter "The Message". 😎😬
I think the concept of a man’s mind should remain his and his descendents so long as they are willing and able to keep it.
The amount of iterations of sherlock homes that's out there, some good, a few bad goes to show what people can do with public domain stuff. ...elementary is my favourite
A big advantage of public domain is that it serves as a safeguard against censorship. If a work got censored, then all you have to do to make tons of money is to sell the original uncensored version.
Naked market demand also serves as a good barometer for justifying such censorship.
The difference between modern audiences and Modern Audiences, if you will.
Some people want to abolish copyright law altogether and I'm not sure I'm for that.
But it does need significant reforms: Slash the length of time a work has copyright protection, expand what counts as fair use, and much stricter limitations on what can even be copyrighted in the first place because that's gotten absurd, too.
But if it were a only a choice between keeping them as they are or getting rid of them entirely: I'd have to go with getting rid of them.
But it need not come to that.
I would make it so companies cannot hold the rights to the works if the original creator wants it back. No more signing away every right to the series just for a chance to get it made (after it's cleaned and deemed safe by the Twitter council)
@@MyShiroyukiAt the very least, if said work gets cancelled, it would be nice if the creator was allowed to find an alternate outlet to continue making it.
If it is a binary choice, then I'd have to say keep them. Better to have this system, whatever its flaws, than to let creators get undercut by bootleggers the second their work takes off.
@@sanchorim8014 Yeah, better to have them screwed by having corporations buy the copyrights from them for a pittance.
@@nrrorkWithout ignoring cases where creators get railroaded by big companies, issues of corporation compensating creators can and have been addressed without changing or abolishing copyright, and many creators are fairly paid.
How much do bootleggers and copycats pay creators?
Can you imagine the massive outpouring of unrestrained joy that will burst forth several decades from now when films like The Last Jedi or Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny enter the public domain?
No, neither can I.
I can imagine somebody will make a better "This is what should have happened" movie.
Looking forward to this.
So far The Grinch is not public Domain yet.
Dr. Seuss only died in 1991, so his books will likely not become public domain in your lifetime. 2061 at the earliest.
Many of Edgar Rice Burroughs creations are in public domain but they are extremely litigious.
They now have trademarks on most of the character names in the stories.
So that's why we've never seen a Ridley Scott epic of The Outlaw of Torn?
You never know we might actually get some food Mickey products that show more love than Disney has in the last 15 years.
Now I understand what Dave Cullen meant when he said to not give any attention to characters and franchises that have gone woke. Once those characters enter PD, then indie creators can basically do whatever they want. Hopefully, do it for fun and not agendas.
I know I'm not speaking clearly on this but I hope as more characters enter PD, indie free-thinkers and creators will give a lot more respect to the characters than their OG owners ever did. (I'm looking at you KK, and Bob Iger.)
This just shows you how much Disney is struggling financially. I can’t believe they couldn’t get the copyright laws extended again! Not enough money to pay the lobbyists to fight for them!!! LOL🤣🤣
Public Domain needs to be brought back to a grand total of 65 years flat. Non negotiable.
One exception: if the original creator retains the rights and lives longer than 65 years, it lasts until he dies. (But he can't sell it or pass it down past that point)
If it wasn't aired, _The Cage_ might actually enter public domain later than the original series - *_published_* corporate works are protected for 95 years from publication, but *_unpublished_* works are protected for *_120_* years from *_creation_*
Does having the Cage on streaming services count as publication/airing?
The copyright of material made before those new laws came into effect should not have been extended. Should have been challenged in the Supreme court.
This public domain debate is very interesting to hear about.
I think the "Happy Birthday" song recently fell out of copyright, or something to that effect. Apparently there is quite a convoluted history on how that copyright came to be. That might be worth a video in itself.
For now, suffice it to say that when you're in a restaurant on your birthday, you no longer have to suffer the restaurant's wait staff singing their ridiculous version of "happy birthday" that's not copyrighted.
Copyright Act of 1790 makes most sense to me. Default 14 year term, with an optional 14 year extension available to purchase on top of that. Maximum of 28 years, then public domain.
I would even appreciate a set of variables for different kinds of things. Fictional works might just deserve the longest terms, whereas much more time-sensitive media, like news and sports broadcasts, may need only a couple years or so of protection. Software might also only need 10 years of copyright protection.
That's way too short for anyone who has put their heart into their works. It's anti-artist.
@@cbalan777 no, it's part of the original social contract: you get a maximum of 28 years of exclusive publishing rights, then it's public domain. If you can't make a profit in that time, your work was unsuccessful anyway.
I'd be all for the 1790. It isn't about making nostalgia money 40 and 80 years down the line or "where the real monies at." If you can't turn a profit inside 20, maybe you need to be forced to license at a fair price and let others take a shot and improve upon and innovate.
@CaptainValanxThe idea that you have any intellectual property rights at all is a government invention.
No government intervention? Anyone can copy your life's work without even crediting you. There's a reason the invention of copyright sparked an innovation boom.
>Copyright
>News
Huh? You can't create news. You discover them. Thus it cannot be copyrighted.
People are expecting cool new interpretations on Micky Mouse, but in reality, the most that'll come out of this might be a school being able to put up a Mickey Mouse mural without getting sued to death.
Or a hospital. I can remember when that wee lad died and his parents wanted a Spiderman tombstone if I remember correctly. Disney turned him down. Crazy to me.
Fun fact: here in Germany, copyright expires 75 years after the authors' death. We'll get Steamboat Willie by 2041 🙂
It's insane. If someone wrote a song with 30, dies 50 years later it's Public Domain 125 years after Release
I actually think this is fair. If the copyright expires immediately after death then you would start getting IP-holder assassinations.
Golden Age superheroes are the ones I’m most interested in. The companies have corrupted them to the point where I feel they no longer have any moral right to the characters-gay Alan Scott, murderous Wonder Woman, Hydra Captain America, etc. The ‘30s and ‘40s comics are a bit of an acquired taste, but still highly enjoyable. I look forward to anyone being able to adapt them in 10-15 years.
A Justice Society series based on the OG team, exploring the original comics in depth.
2027 the first Shadow novel finally enters PD. That's my dream project: The Shadow almost directly adapted from the page.
I saw what Capcom did to them, and honestly was very impressed with their Marvel vs Capcom series. They made even the forgettable and boring comic book characters look cool. If they were public domain'd, we'd get more beautiful works of art like that, or honestly anything that treats the characters with ironically more respect then the current IP holders.
The companies can keep their Alphabet versions of the characters while we'll return the originals back to their normal selves.
@@MyShiroyuki What do you mean by 'their Alphabet versions'? Genuine question.
@@bobolobocus333LGBTQ versions of the original characters. At this point, the degenerates’ acronym is so long it’s easier to just refer to them as the alphabet people.
I seriously believe the lawmakers/politicians were very welll compensated for those additional years.
I imagine it would be similar to how school drama classes/clubs or other theaters can perform Shakespeare and hope they'll get a paying audience.
Batman perfect example
Public Domain: He does kill people…and often
Copyright: He refuses to take life under any circumstance
Basically taking inspiration from The Shadow again
Batman already kills people often while being under copyright in official media even (Zack Snyder).
Don't forget Superman's personality in the Golden Age of Comics. He sometimes acted like a bully.
I'd say All quiet on the Western Front is more important than Mickey Mouse
That book came out in 1929, so that won’t be public domain until next year.
@@TheMan05555Do you think that Tailspin Tommy is in the public domain?
They need to allow renewals, but not blanket extensions. There are so many lost works that nobody is interested in renewing, but nobody can adapt due to copyright.
Never going to happen but Congress SHOULD repeal both Disney funded extensions, give them all a final five year grace and then they ALL fall into public domain. This has become disgusting and Disney’s obvious hypocrisy over this should be dealt with.
I'd be 85 by the time Star Trek - The Cage is public domain. By that time, If I'm still breathing air, I wouldn't care enough to take advantage of it.
YAY!!! A Steamboat Willy cartoon where he grows up to be an ALPHA MALE!! And that cartoon goes VIRAL! 😏🤣🤣🤣
😎🇬🇧
In many cases, old copyrights are now held by corporations whose values, culture, and vision may be alien or even antithetical to the creators of the copyrighted material. That such should become the sole masters of the art for which they manifest contempt is indeed an unfortunate consequence of such long-term copyrights.
"We have to create our own properties and great characters"
Already done AND published!!!
#Morgalla
The back catalogue of creative works is growing. As the best of these works also grow, it is becoming more difficult for new works to receive attention. Why would anyone be interested in an unknown new book when ten thousand masterpieces treating the same subject exist?
We are approaching a threshold of cultural saturation in which choosing what to focus on is becoming increasingly difficult and for some, impossible.
Copyright eliminates competition, no competition always results in corner cutting. How much better would entertainment be if they had to try? I think people underestimate the gravity of how blatantly evil copyright and patents actually are
I would assume that with the creation of Strange New Worlds, Paramount will have extended the rights to Captain Pike, Number One etc. but for the rest of Star Trek, it is most likely protected under the trademark of Star Trek itself, that brand being an intellectual property of its own. Steam Boat Willy most likely wasn't included in Disney's intellectual property since it wasn't an active brand. Things like Star Trek and Star Wars are so all associated material will be by extension.
The rights to Star Trek are mangled... when Paramount and viacom split... merch and classic trek went one way and "NuTrek" the other, starting with the JJ Abrams Lens Flare Verse. There were tight rules that required the new properties to be different in designs from the original by a certain percent. The merger of Paramount and ViacomCBS helped... but their IP is a legal morass of deals upon deald upon deals....
Oh man, imagine the awesome shit that would be being made now if Star Trek was Public Domain like it should've been by now! 😟
We would now have something like Axanar instead of Star Crap-Dysentery.
Paramount has done more to shut down creativity than most... In the late 90s they sent their lawyers out far and wide to shut down every Star Trek fan site, some of which were brilliant, so that they would not compete with Paramount's stodgy and inferior site. They've also shut down a few ambitious fan films... off the top of my head, the word "Axenar" comes to mind.
@@andywellsglobaldomination Wow that is sad so they killed off star trek during its peek.
It would be fun to see a Cuphead style game with Steamboat Willy now that any company could use the artwork.
As I recall Mickey Mania on MegaDrive and Super NES started with Steamboat Willie, of course it was all official, and not as great as it could have been.
@@blue_rangerIt was also on PS1 as Mickey's Wild Adventure.
You don't need to wait for TNG to be Public Domain. Look at Seth McFarlane.
Walt would be devastated to see what his creation has become?
I wish there was some kind of "hub" for newly-created IP's to be showcased and recognised, both to help them get seen by more people and also acknowledged as copyrighted original IP's from their inception. I've created a few myself, and worked with creators who have also developed new stories, characters and concepts. Not just superheroes, but scifi, drama and TV stories.
Not exactly what you're referring to, but years ago there was an online browser game/community called Producer's Chair. You'd take on the role of a studio/producer and would pitch your story ideas to the board. They'd either get greenlit or red and if the former you'd put out a release date. Then you'd "release" in the site's box office. You could then have a page space for your sample script, concept art, storyboards etc. Community members were encouraged to visit and revisit their favorite movie ideas every week, which would translate into more in-game money, and you could afford to hire more popular stars and directors. It was both a movie industry simulation and a place to spitball writing ideas.
Many don't understand what the public domain is or how many of our stories today are based on works from years ago. After works fall into the public domain, at that point it becomes the backbone of culture and money becomes the tool to select which versions you want to support. Best uses of public domain works i've seen over the years, is when its used in themes and symbolizes within new works. examples like Shakespeare's Plays, Mythology, Fairy Tales, etc.
Disney got Snow White from a fairy tale in the public domain
@@RachelNichols-writer I remember 25 years ago when i was in high school creating stories, i used works in the public domain as inspiration and my friends were like "But that's a Disney character. Disney owns that. You can't do that." and i'm like WTF you guys are clueless about copyright.
I already renamed my cat Tigger. He didn’t look like a Ralph anyway.
its like a dam of creativity, reminds me of the censorship back golden age of Japanese film making that leads up to its animations.
The stated purpose of copyright is to encourage creation and innovation, but this is actually a dubious claim. People created all kinds of intellectual works long before copyright was a thing, and there's no evidence at all that copyright increased this. In fact, it may have decreased it due to unused IPs being locked behind copyright. Copyright as a concept needs to be reexamined closely, especially given that it doesn't really do what it purports to do.
It also needs to be reexamined for the times. Copyright and IP laws often fall very short and are basically impotent in the internet age and on the rare occasion they do try to enforce it, it's usually with an iron fist that goes way too far.
Star Wars became Star Wars because Lucas couldn't get the rights to make his Flash Gordon movie. And as a result, Star Wars is a dead IP whose husks are inhabited by ambitously diverse lawyers.
Exactly. Copyright laws have been much more of a hindrance to the arts than they have a benefit. In my own field of music, there's a long historical tradition of arranging music, or quoting certain parts of another composer's work into yours, etc. Now you can't do that without notifying the copyright holders and paying them a monthly fee as long as you are selling whatever incorporates their work. It used to be a composer would legitimately be flattered that you wanted to use their work, and even today, musicians generally don't tend to mind if a song sound similar to theirs, or you use their songs for other means. It's the record labels that care because they're the ones that stand to make the most money based off the work of other people (i.e. the musicians and song writers). Copyright is just a way to make rich executives richer while musicians slave away for them and make them more money.
That’s why the Creative Commons system was developed. I don’t know why it’s not more popular. It’s great for artists who value the principles of creativity.
No, it's not a "dubious" claim. As Razorfist pointed out with a single chart showing the explosion of creativity and productivity after copyright and patent laws were created in the late 1700s, protecting a creator's right to determine whether or not someone else may unjustly create carbon copies of their invention without their permission creates a strong incentive to create something of their own, especially when that creation results in monetary reward. It produced the industries of licensing, sublicensing, various forms of sales and ownership benefits like rent-to-own and after-purchase technician support, and so on.
1 generation = 40 yrs
3 generations = 120 yrs
I believe 119 yrs should be the max copyright limit for everything under the sun😒
It's unlikely that there will be copyright extensions moving forward due to the badwill Disney and the other major studios have earned since the last extension.
Tolkien's early work will also enter the public domain in the not so far future.
Actually, all of Tolkien's works that were published during his life are now in the public domain in New Zealand and quite a few other countries. Happened as of the 1st of January 2024.
@@KathrynDainty Actually it happened in January 2023 and there is no concept of public domain in New Zealand legislation. This means that once copyright has expired, everyone can freely use the work.
Wait I thought Peter Pan was already in the Public Domain.
In the end i agree that making your original IPs is the best move.
Doesn't mean Disney for example won't copyright strike you if you upload Steam Boat Willie (Not that you need to as they have it up for us to see. For now anyway) or use it in some capacity. Not like you'd be able to do anything.
I'm going to hang on until the 2080s. I should be around 110+ years old. Then I'll get around to writing that third part to Moriarty, who escapes the holodeck, and goes all out Khan on Picard.
I feel like the creater should have the rights for their lifetime, then it has 10 or so years with the family, then it goes to public domain.
Lobbying is what has made the world what it is today along with rampant political corruption which is how all of this came about.
I'm waiting for the copyright to run out for "Turd Gurl", "Swine Thing" and "Big Butt".
5:40 that is plenty of fanfic prompts there!
Thank God he's Got his own copyright 😊in the beginning was the word and the word was God and it was spoken out into creation
I agree! I think that the American people should lobby hard to get the copyright laws rolled back. It's INSANE that the copyright on IPs is 95 YEARS!!! It serves ONLY greedy and creatively bankrupt corporations interests. It doesn't serve the interest of the American people or the people of the world for that matter. I'd love to see Disney and WB get the shaft and have Disney's characters, Loony toons characters, DC and Marvel characters ALL go into the public domain as they rightly should be!
Well, I guess this means we'll be getting a cheaply made horror reimaging of Steamboat Willie in the near future! 😂
Yes we did and it's a game.
@@Sodoffshotgun damn, that was fast!
I wonder if Disney will ever do a live-action remake of Steamboat Willie, maybe starring Megan Rapinoe or Dylan Mulvaney.
I'm surprised Peter Pan is in the public domain as it is assigned in perpetuity to St Ormond Street hospital.
Public Domain, time to make your fanfic real.
I understand your point and agree that it's crap for large corporations to own an ip. Especially when those large corporations ruin those ip's with creatively bankrupt people who work there but hate those who can actually create something.
But the bottom line is that the creators were either part of the corporation like Disney, or they sold their ip to a larger company.
I think it's just as crap though for other people to have licence to make content with other people's creations. If other people are so creative to "remake or reinvent" an existing character or story, they should be creative enough to invent their own ip rather than fanfic someone else's work or ruin it- which is exactly what we've seen the last few years with corporatjons owning ips but hiring people who hate them to ruin them. John Q Public doing the same thing isn't an improvement.
I don't care how 10 other people would write or draw Superman or Batman. If they're genuinely talented, they don't need to sponge someone else's ideas.
Warhammer needs to go Public Domain!
I do believe in IP laws that protect a creator or inventor’s claim to profit off their work, but I do agree that said laws have been distorted, corrupted, and abused.
I love the Steamboat Willie iteration of Mickey Mouse. Simple, happy, fun, with a good mix of tunes and comedy.
I like him and his world from Kingdom Hearts 2. The steamboat willy version is my favourite
The real shame isn’t so much the big popular works that will live on (though it is an issue since people cannot be creative without permission and royalties). The real loss are the millions of orphaned works literally rotting away in vaults and libraries that cannot be restored or remastered because the copyright owner is not known but because of the uncertainty it’s to risky to sink money into it.
I think the solution is to go back and do something like 50 years and a one time renewal of 25 years with a $1 million payment. This allows very important investable IP to be protected but less important stuff can be free for creatives to do whatever they want.
Less important stuff dies on its own. I'd argue popular investable stuff deserves to be public more than unpopular stuff, since it's acting more like folklore than an IP.
And there’s already a horror game and movie in the works.
The quality is gonna be iffy though, of course.
I saw something about a horror movie. Hope it’s better than blood and honey. The Winnie the Pooh horror movie.
@@erroneous6947Tbh I wouldn’t hold your breath as a heads up.
Most PD (Public Domain) works are iffy in terms of quality, but you may say that's true for anything.
Is really just the rare exception that are very good, in terms of PD at least.
@@Chordus_GaiusThat is true, but when something like this happens the quality gets really iffy much like that Winnie the Pooh movie as already mentioned.
@@Ashkihyenayep, that is why I don't expect much from PD works. Is a great news nonetheless.
Aaaaaah. So that's why I'm seeing games pop up recently that utilise the character and style. Thanks for the informative video
I remember the hullabaloo in the 70s about this.
I also remember people making t-shirts of the mouse flipping the bird with the caption, "Hey, Iran!"
He's usually holding an American flag.
People have been using that dang mouse for financial gain for a long time.
50 years. That's how long you get to make money exclusively. Wasn't that the norm? I think that's more than enough time. Promotes creativity.
I've seen the "Cage" with Captain Pike and Majel Barret as the first female commander.
Me too
I’m so glad that I’m old, I won’t be about when they finally free creativity.
ThankQ
Copyright is another thing that should be dismantled with vigor.
Not completely related, but I'm really looking forward to the patent for the Nemesis system to end.
Superman is an oddditiy.
The Fliescher Superman shorts and the radio plays are in the Public Domain.
Actually, maybe all the radio plays are in the Public Domain due to be abandoned
I say for comics that sounds great in time.
I totally agree about copyright being extended too far. However, it occurs to me that this sort of thing is one of the reasons why big corporations want us focused on culture war issues. If people are busy looking at the culture war, then they may not be looking at all the corporate welfare the big corporations are getting.
The culture war threatens our entire civilisation, mind you. It may be a distraction, but it's the most effective kind.
Keeping creative people from writing about established characters keeps tax dollars out of government pockets. Small creators can't "blow up" as easily in a creatively bankrupt world. Our government leaders shoot themselves in the foot by letting corporations stifle creativity.
Our governmnent leaders ain't doing crap to corporations... and I suspect the corporations don't see it as stifling creativity... because corporate executives are droll people who think taking a know IP and tweaking it around a bit IS creativity... even though it's more like running algorithms...
@@andywellsglobaldominationPeople make the mistake of assuming that governments and corporations care about profits.
The revolution is always the issue.
I dont care about the super heros when Tigger is available!
Finally. Walt Disney needs to paint my chicken coop!!!
And they all become Slasher villains.
It's way past time to see a slasher killer Mickey with an ax.
I'd buy my movie tickets immediately.
So i can make my own Steamboar Willie Mickey goes to Prom with his pink haired boyfriend?!
😂😂😂😂😂
Soon, they will all become a horror flick. 🤣