There was one recording about JD wanting to leave AH for two hours and she was screaming at him not to leave her while being very aggressive towards JD. It was very, very distressing and frustrating just to listen to it. That clearly showed the borderline’s fear of abandonment.
It’s sometimes difficult to let go. Maybe she still loved him, even though he’s an alcoholic & derelict drug addict. (A publicly praised one, but still.)
@@PardusPanthera100 it wasn’t about them splitting up. It was about him having just two hours of time to himself away from her. It was very distressing and he couldn’t get her to let him leave for two hours as she was hysterical about being by herself.
Dr. Curry specializes in forensic (legal) psychology. She explained that this is why she used the MMPI1 instead of 2 - it's better studied. Individual therapists may want to use the newer test for helping a client, but the goal here is to help a jury understand and trust the diagnosis, so the most verified test is preferable. Secondly, Dr. Curry is no doubt aware of the controversies & "iffyness" about these diagnoses as you, but she MUST use the terms currently standardized in the DSM as applied in the most studied tests bc this is a court of law. Of COURSE if your goal is helping a client you can focus on the fuzziness of the definitions. You should also, as she pointed out, take your client at their word. A forensic psychologists goal is to look at the client more critically. She did in fact spend two very long days with Ms. Heard as well as reviewing everything - FAR FAR more info than most therapists ever get about a client! And she matched that info with the most accurate terms currently usable in court. What she said on the stand was a clarification of those terms to the jury. I'm sorry, but this video seemed to simply misunderstand the testimony and its context.
I agree!! I'd believe Dr. Curry over this guy as a psyc student myself, I'm surprised he didn't mention the difference between her stance as a forensic psychologist and AH's therapists who obviously would believe her. Not to mention Dr.Curry actually worked with AH herself, this guy seems terribly biased in all his videos about this case.
Thank you for not vilifying people with BPD. Getting the diagnosis has made me more self aware and I try to avoid situations where I know I can't handle myself well. Childhood trauma brought this on and to be honest I so glad I can put a label on it and work on myself. Great and fair analysis as always Dr, G.
Just as a mature and respectful person with no dog in this fight - the evidence in Amber's own words of her downplaying hitting another person as not punching - is indicative that she is several cards shy of a full deck.
The highlight for me was AH in recording saying go on then tell the world that you JD are a victim of DV, as if anyones gon believe you. Thats what gave her full confidence that anything she said would be believed whether true or not.
Aren't you discounting the effects of living with an addict? What lengths do you think people who live with addicts go to stop their loved ones using. They don't just hand them the car keys and say have it. People barricade doors and tell them not to leave. Depp has lost half a billion dollars - yes billion - due to his addiction and the impact that abuse played on his lack of attention to running his business portfolio.
Based on those audio tapes, it doesn’t sound like she was interested in helping him become better. Her preventing him from leaving was because she’s insecure and controlling.
I grew up with a mother who’s behavior was exactly like Ambers’ and I can tell you, at the age of 17, I had to escape my home because it’s extremely difficult to live with these kind of people.
Perhaps a better way of viewing it would be living with your mother, not these people. These people is discriminatory and untrue. BHP is not a one size fits all disorder.
Similarly for myself. I tried to self refer to a childrens hostel at 15 and ran away at 16 and never returned. My young brother tragically killed himself a decade ago and I have become fully estranged from my mother. Her last kick off was in response to me visiting my grandfather who is currently being treated for cancer earlier this year. I have finally self referred myself to therapy to address the PTSD as a result of my childhood abuse and brother's death. My mother has been diagnosed with BPD however I was an adult by the stage. Sending love and happiness to you
@@elin_ Please quote the portion of the statement where they said "all BPD" were evil. I believe I missed it. If this statement was you projecting and was done as a high emotion response then please acknowledge your error. Thank you.
I thought she held back what she REALLY wanted to say. What was interesting was the Gaslighting style of Heard's attorneys towards a mental health professional but they have been pretty brazen so far.
I'm gonna be honest, Dr. Curry appears to specialize in PTSD, so I am going to trust her reading of the matter. Additionally, the lawyer’s attempts to argue bias were pathetic and openly misleading at best (e.g., the whole "you had a date with Johnny but we're not going to reference his whole legal team being there").
PTSD specislists who spew the contents of their sessions Publicly should know that that would only WORSEN PTSD. Their motivation for doing so is clearly QUESTIONABLE. NOT acting in patient’s interests- QUITE the OPPOSITE.
Sounds more like Johnny treated her like a house guest. I’d do the same. Basic hospitality. Everyone who knows him has described him as a super nice guy. Hell, I’m the same way. Anyone who’s been in my home I’ve offered something to eat or drink.
@@MakotoKinoSailorJupiter2020 You can definitely argue the "ethicality" of having an interview for a job that has you "testifying" against the person you're visting at their home (english is not my main language, hopefully that made sense) and you could say that there's a "Why would you do that?" question in there.. but regardless of that, why does that REALLY matter? Can that one thing crumble all her credentials and under oath sayings? They cut her off but she was talking about her "retainment agreement" and how in there she specifies "I'll testify as a forensic psychologist and thus my findings are bound to the fact finder, not to one side specifically" (paraphrasing).
I had a friend who is EXACTLY like Amber. The relationship was so distressing and exhausting. Every little thing I did and said was met with skepticism and if I hung out with other friends she would act so cold towards me. She told me she hated me, but loved me at the same time. That I was her "best friend" yet she couldn't stand me. She would text me threatening and belittling messages non stop for hours-sometimes from 6pm-4am until I would respond to her. This was in response to me not wanting to be her friend anymore because I couldn't take the abuse. It was so bizarre and left me feeling so confused and tormented. I feel so much for Johnny. I know exactly what he's feeling being involved with someone like Amber. These people need psychiatric treatment on a daily/weekly basis.
@Liz Ward:....& YOU need to go ‘no contact’, & sort yourself out - because the chances are that you will go on attracting malevolent & narcissistic characters who will/must bring you down, & get you to mistrust your own mind... This might sound unsympathetic - believe me, your real need is to find something inside yourself that you know you really trust, something ‘unshakeable’: this isn’t something that you might do in order to impress others, or gain their approval...you’ve been through so much, hoping for a positive outcome, which doesn’t come....such people are not capable of empathy, so are beyond help... it’s up to you to seek help with strengthening your boundaries, especially if you’re an empath, as I think perhaps you are; certain people might make it clear that the only person they can turn to for help...is YOU! ‘Hello Co-dependence!’ I won’t say any more, it’s for you to stop seeking ‘honest positives’ from those who seek to undermine everything that you do...honesty & posi- tivity, will come your way when you learn to recognise them.....❤️ From Brighton 🌈 UK, take care & be well! 🙏🏻🌹🙏🏽
I'm so glad to read that you said "I HAD a friend...." So glad you're out of that relationship. Good for you!! I had an abusive BF and by the time we broke up about 9 months later, I felt relieved, but it took me years to recover from the abuse.
My son is almost 23 now and from his birth, his mother acted like this and it broke me more times in those 23 years than I can even say. Dealing with her behavior over these years caused me to breakdown so badly, I ended up in jail and have a criminal record. It really really caused me to really believe I was crazy,.
Based on the diagnosis, the witness testimonies, and the recordings of Heard, it seems to be accurate. There’s absolutely NO WAY that her behavior could be considered to be normal. It is not. She would not let Johnny leave, begging him to stay, saying he’s killing her, very dramatic and over the top. She is manipulative, lies, tries to make herself look good, blames everyone else for her behavior, drinks a lot but points the finger at others for doing it, makes up domestic abuse to get more publicity and sympathy, not caring that she was ruining someone’s life. She shows no compassion, no remorse, and no guilt.
Why do abusive people enjoy it so much when others feel sorry for them? They seem to really revel in that kind of attention. My mother used to do all sorts of things to make people pity her, even limping when she wasn't hurt. Her whole persona was "poor me".
She got $8 mio directly in their divorce settlement, he had to pay their entire accumulated debt of $12 mio from while they were married and he had to pay $500,000 in her legal bills. Further he had to gross that up to cover the tax burden. On top of that there was a non-disparaging clause in their agreement. So he was out over $30 mio for a 15 month marriage. Then after all that, she writes this editorial, that was mostly fiction, and violated their non-disparaging clause. She is clearly greedy beyond all measure, vindictive, irrational and well out of touch with reality.
@@keithl836 Does the Jury have access to social media? If so, there’s no doubt in my mind that they will side with Johnny. I know that’s not the way these things are supposed to work, and the Jury is not supposed to be influenced, but with this type of case I believe it is important for the betterment of society. Listening to everyone else’s opinions especially those who have suffered from a partner that had these disorders and can recognize them in Amber is very good information and is quite telling. I’ve never hoped for anyone to win a case as bad as Johnny. I’m not saying he’s “innocent” but what Amber did to him is evil beyond measure, and I’m under the belief that it is very likely that any wrong doings on behalf of Johnny were severely influenced by Amber’s evil intentions. The way she recorded Depp in his kitchen almost made it seem like her plan with this marriage was to intentionally beat Johnny down to nothing so he would divorce her so she could get all of his money… She was supposed to donate it, yet she lied and kept it. The mental torture that Johnny went through is so sad, especially given that his mother treated him the same way, and I bet that brought up a lot of emotional instability within him. If this case continues down the same path that it’s been heading than Amber deserves to be locked up for life.
Dr. Curry has a backbone; she's brave, bold, well armed with all her evidence that was well researched. She was thorough and well spoken and did not hesitate to tell that foolish lawyer, " No, that's not entirely right." When that incompetent lawyer tried to back her in a corner with pathetic accusations, Dr. Curry would have none of it! Yet, she was soft and respectful. She's a good mentor. She handled herself and the muffins well! She knows her subject and is no fool! I was impressed. Confident, but not arrogant. She should have a show.
As someone in a relationship with a BPD/HPD/MDD/NPD sufferer I can say; you can get backed into such corners that some/even most would interpret your desperate attempts to fight off the constant barrage of hallucinogenic and invasive interactions as "mutually abusive"...
Agree. As the attacked person has ho right to become angy or frustrated after the abuse...It would be treated similar as selfdefence actions but it's quite the opposite unfortunatelly...
They’re both in need of help, but personally I find him worse. A lot more substance abuse. Chaotic lifestyle that is impossible to maintain. ..More of a double personality, thus more hidden re his bad side. Only the very close could see.. Thus, more difficult to define in public. And I think he knows this. And wants to maintain his public image. Thus, the lawsuit. But it’s not looking fantastic when one hears the tapes or text messages. Maybe he should retire. At least take the time to get cleaned up.
When I was a young child (around age 6) I remember staying at my cousin's house whose mother (my aunt) had BPD and HPD. During this visit, she got into a fight with her boyfriend at the time and he stormed out. She was screaming and carrying on and it scared me, but my cousin just kept playing with her dolls because I guess she was used to it. When things quieted down, I went to see my aunt and she was in the bathroom looking in the mirror and SMACKING THE HELL out of her own face with a hairbrush (those big paddle brushes). She saw me in the mirror and didn't care, she just kept smacking herself in the face. I asked what was wrong and she very calmly and sweetly said, "Oh, I'm fine. Go play with Jessica." The following few days were filled with complete and utter chaos as the police came in and she cried and cried about the fight she'd been in with this guy. My parents came and got me and I couldn't really grasp the seriousness of what had gone on. From what understand, the guy initially got in trouble, but my aunt magnanimously bailed him out and dropped the charges. I never saw him again. I never went to stay with her again and instead, my cousin came and stayed with us during the summers.
Wow that must have been awful. You must have been in shock and traumatized. I hope your cousin is getting the help she needs. Oh yes she needs professional counselling after being in a family like that.
@@BritInvLvr Unfortunately, she grew up as an only child as her half-siblings were grown when she came along. When we were teenagers we spent a lot of time together, but ended up drifting apart because she had a lot of anger issues. However, she grew into an incredibly stable, healthy adult after getting away and seeking therapy. She has since cut her mother off completely. I really appreciate your kind reply. :)
It’s been reported that at least 2 maybe 3 writers from the ACLU actually wrote the article in which AH accused JD of domestic violence. The original write up named JD by name which was removed. This entire saga appears to show malice with intent to destroy and it did destroy a brilliant career. Actually two careers as AH isn’t looking good either. All of this rather shows that the “me too” movement was too one sided to begin with. Women can and do engage in DV and many other offenses. What a mess.
Not sure if it destroyed AH career - she did not have a big career until Johnny used his influence to get her into big budget movies. Agree with ur comment about MeToo. Not just the fact that women can engage in DV, but women who falsely accuse men of being DV abuse and intend on benefiting monetary-wise or fame-wise By being a victim(like AH). There is always ppl that take advantage of laws, movements and anything and everything to further their ambitions.
@@manialagu1158 Yeah, if I remember correctly, Amber's last big-budget role before she met Depp was as the "neighbor in apartment 406" in "Zombieland". lol.
@@manialagu1158 Any career that Amber had previously is now destroyed. In addition, I’d bet my life that no decent man will want to date her after this either. She destroyed her own life entirely. Johnny Depp on the other hand will come out of this with immense support and love as you are already seeing. Isn’t it weird that Johnny Depp was married for 20 years and his ex wife only has good things to say about him? Yet he marries this girl for 1 year and all hell breaks loose, and she ends up with $7.5M dollars that she lied about regarding donating it… If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
There is nothing worse than a person who makes makes false allegations, it makes it a million times harder for REAL victims. The only place AH was a victim of anything other than herself in this whole saga is her own twisted mind.
I think those of us who have suffered at the hands of personality disordered persons are happy to see this abuse legitimized. Yes that would cause us to be biased.
Yes. I do not in anyway want to belittle anyone who has BPD and there are various shades of BPD as Dr. Grande has stated but I suffered at the hands of a family member who had this disorder and I am not trying to blame everything that went wrong in my life on that but it really messed me up and I have had to see many therapists throughout the years to handle the aftermath. This case is bringing mental health issues to light and with the right therapist and appropriate therapy there is hope for all involved.
She used the MMPI she did bc it’s the most researched. She was asked why she chose that as opposed to the most recent, actually. She also explained the malingering point.
@@missmerbella he’s kinda biased tbh, I get a vibe that m he tries to sound as the person that knows better than others. He also kinda said that she doesn’t have a masters but something lower
@@Vigilantea92 he said she has a PsyD which is different from a PhD. Dr Grande spent a good bit of time explaining the differences between that and a Phd.
I knew what Heard was as soon as I heard Depp say that she would insist he'd go to bed at the same time than her and that she'd go crazy if he didn't, because I lived with a woman who was exactly like that, and I recognized her in all that was said later, the constant drama, violence, attention seeking... Histrionic personality disorder, a nightmare for people who have to live with such creatures. And yes, she was also bipolar and she had an entire bottle of vodka every day. Needless to say it didn't last very long.
He made mistakes, too. He even missed her birthday to go out with his friends? That’s terrible! And you mention her vodka, but how much did he drink? (And probably before he met her, too.)
@@ONEHUMANFAMILY Bed at the same time is not a bad request. Especially for someone who lacked intimacy & often partied all night. I think her request was okay. Of course not yelling is better.
After having listened to the recording Amber made of her own argument with Depp, she reminded me so much of my own mother and a couple of other people I thought were friends over the years. Whatever you call THAT, it’s not sustainable to live with it.
@@ONEHUMANFAMILY Thanks. My mother has been gone for over ten years now. There’s no reconciliation with a person with this particular disorder, as the disorder precludes it even if the other person is willing. That’s the hardest part to healing. It’s crazy making, and makes it difficult to trust others as well.
Heard was not insane. She was trying to stop him leaving the house to take ever greater quantities of drugs. He refused to discuss his sobriety. All partners of junkies try to barricade the doors when their loved ones are hell bent on using. After Heard left Depp. Her role fell to security. Two ex-police officers - Arreola and Sanchez - who worked as security for Depp in late 2016 and early 2017 won $25m in the Los Angele Labour Court for having to work in unsafe work conditions. They complained that they found themselves transporting illicit drugs, wiping cocaine off Depp's face, protected him from his own vices and babysat his minor children while Depp was using Class A drugs. They get $25m and Heard is abused when she fails to donate the rest of her divorce settlement as she is left to fight Depp out in courts across the world. Like Heard they said Depp was very nice when sober.
To beat all, she came out with a statement before the trial saying that she really didn't want to drag their relationship out into the public eye. 🤦♀️
Also she took into account ALL the evidence - which I inferred to mean, thought not expressly stated, those video/audio recordings in which Amber clearly demonstrated behaviors that Dr. Curry used to explain the personality disorders. She was quite impressive - stood her ground and defended her opinions. Dr. Grande would cause doubt, which I don’t think would serve justice especially in this case, which would be a travesty.
@@tbd419 I don't think he's causing doubt, per se. Sounds to me like he's just adding nuance. And while I don't agree with him on every point he's making, I appreciate that he's adding to the discussion so that I can prevent myself from gradually becoming mired in my own biases. I like subtle and reasonable pushback every now and then.
I think it would’ve been helpful if you had gone into what Dr. Curry said about the difference between a treating clinician and someone in her role who is doing more of an analysis for court purposes. As she correctly pointed out, it would be highly unethical of her as a treating clinician to offer a testimony like this because as a treating clinician she is meant to be an advocate for Amber. So I think Johnny’s team did a good job of pointing out that there may be differences in Dr Curry’s testimony compared to what previous medical documentation stated, but that is because those notes were written by treating clinicians who took Amber at her word.
You're absolutely right, as a psyc student you are taught to believe your client as your job as a therapist is to provide warm and unconditional care, not try to find out what really happened. All of this guys video is so biased for AH it's unreal lmao
A psyD is a very credible degree, as these doctors see patients in many different types of ailments. They are extremely capable of diagnosing many behaviors.
I loved Dr. Curry so much, I intend to take a class from her if she ever offers an affordable one online or close to me (come to University of Hawaii, Dr. Curry, you rock).
@@Onomastique Dr Curry is the "Bombshell Psychologist" & you undoubtedly know that she is based in Newport Beach CA. I live in the area & wish I could have gotten my wife in to see her in 2018.
16:20 "Shallowness is to Hollywood as gasoline is to a car. Except Hollywood has no alternative fuel options." Said with a straight face! So hillarious
The point about the PTSD part and why this psychological assessment was asked for AH and not JD. This is because AH claims to have PTSD in result of JD’s abuse. Dr. Curry’s assessment was that AH had signs of PTSD, but these came from before JD, probably from childhood, since the signs appeared in AH’s records from before her relationship with JD.
Agreed…but what made her do what she did? Her behaviour was akin to psychopathy. Narcissism, lack of remorse, extreme egocentricity, pathological lying, manipulative, impulsivity, lack of empathy, antisocial behaviour (pooing the bed - ✅).
All of these comments about how good his video is in response to the testimony..... It's clear he didn't even watch the full testimony. He's making points that she clearly addressed in her testimony. Also not considering that she wrote a 20 something page report that clearly isn't going to be fully covered in this testimony. Most importantly not noting that Depp's team hired her to just review case documents and give and opinion. The COURT compelled her to complete a full evaluation to assess PTSD. I used to like this channel and then he got popular and seems to just crank shit out for views and seems narrow minded. Clearly not putting in enough work to get the fullest picture possible based on public info available.
Thats kinda how I felt with the Astroworld incident video he made. He didn't really do much research on the incident and titled his video as human stampede when it was a crowd crush indicent which is completely different.
This trial has helped me to define, by name, and by behaviors, my mother's illness. She has had BPD and NPD her whole life (denies any disturbance and states her intelligence supercedes therapist's). Just a few days ago, she once again recounted to me an event fabricated from her own imagination. She repaints reality to everyone around her when it's her own poor behaviors or comments that have instigated anger, hurt, and at times, trauma. The difference between my childhood and the present, is that now I have 62 years of experience and choices. Sometimes I simply say, "That's not what happened", or "That's not true". Other times, I say, "I don't want to talk about this anymore." or "I've got to go". My Mom, more than anything, wants an audience, wants admiration, wants people to defer to her "decades of executive experience" (reads resume). She will never change. She has told me that she can lie and no one will ever know it, and has, the maximum damage has been to her children and my Dad. Me, my sisters, and brother had intermittently joyous and yet very unhealthy and disrupted childhoods, which included sporadic beatings and slaps, shaming, and gaslighting, which have carried into our adult lives under the umbrella of denial. Mom can be generous, and she is incredibly smart and creative, achieving a very high position with a Forbes 50 company as a financial planner, made millions of dollars in salary without a college degree, meanwhile "raising" four kids at the same time. You can imagine how formidable she is. As a little kid you don't stand a chance. As a teenager, you may love, but you've learned to hate, in a twisted codependency. Not even my Dad, who was a highly educated chemist and plastics engineer and adopted all four of us kids (sacrificing having any of his own with Mom) was disillusioned, sad, and dissatisfied, right up to the day he died a few years ago from myeloma. Until now, I never sought treatment for my own demons, which is the direct result of being raised by one mentally ill parent; a near carbon copy of Heard, and the other parent, who was quiet, intelligent, and witty, whom everyone loved; a close copy of Depp (minus the alcohol and drugs). I intend to exorcise the monkeys on my back and achieve balance and happiness. Sorry for the diatribe - I know it's boring for most, but I just had an epiphany sitting here in my living room watching this after 10 days of following the trial. I hope other people out here in the cosmos who've experienced life with a disturbed parent also acquire benefits from the behaviors, evidence, and testimony revealed in this case that far exceed its entertainment value for others. Good journey all. Lyn from New York
Hi Lyn! I loved your comment! It was not boring at all, but fascinating. And I always love to hear about insights and epiphanies and growth people make, and how they do it. I am also your age, and grew up in a very dysfunctional household. Quite different, but difficult. What I kind of struggle with currently, and have deep sadness about, is the fact that I have lost my remaining family of origin members (brother, sister, mom) within the past four years. My dad died in 1983. Except for my mom, we've all had substance abuse/addiction issues. I still have my daughter, which I am grateful for. I think I started out here with something wise and insightful to say - haha, I guess the thought got lost. 🤪 But I got your message that something positive can be gained or learned even from negative situatiions. So again, just wanted to express my appreciation for your sharing.
Her own parents texted apologies to Johnny saying that she made up the domestic abuse because of her lawyer's counsel that she would get nothing in the divorce settlement.
@@kayladenette5872 I will try to find it again. I saw it a few times tonight. One source said that it would have never come out if they hadn't asked for the full cell texts from him. I did hear him say, "I didn't tell anyone about it" and he said that in a conversation with her.
@@godzillamanstreb524 There was a guy who did extensive videos and analysis of the JD v AH saga on TH-cam. This was in the beginning when AH first made the claims of abuse. I followed it quite extensively, and he did show screenshots of this particular message. I do recall reading a message from one of her parents, apologising to JD, saying that AH only took this course of action because her lawyers told her that she was going to lose everything in the divorce settlement. In fact, when she met JD in the hotel (the time she asked him to break the restraining order), she did say something to the same effect to him. She said she didn't want to do 'this', but her lawyers advised to take this path. Of course, she could have been saying this to shirk responsibility for her actions and deeds. Her parents too seemed to blame the lawyers for ill-adviced, leading to this whole mess. I, on the other hand, think she has to take responsibility for her actions!
Nice to hear your comments. I caught this news on my phone the other day, as well. To me it sounds like Amber's mom was acting as Amber's flying monkey, saying that Amber was getting served 30 days eviction notice from her own landlord--this is after the divorce I think, and saying that Amber had to file because the layers pushed her to do that. Her mom is deceased now, but I almost laughed because thats what flying monkeys do.Then she was buttering Johnny up by saying, :I love you, son." They just couldn't handle their tough and mean but cowardly little princess. Lots of parents seem to want to dump their problem adult kids out on society.nds like Ambers family are kind of shady people.
My job involves psychometry so this testimony was especially fun to me. She did a fantastic job explaining the technical aspects of the evaluation process.
It kind of amazes me how the stupid MMPI is still considered some kind of gold standard "valid instrument". Casey Anthony's MMPI results scored that she was "normal" with only "normal levels of narcissism for her age" (paraphrased). Shouldn't that tell anyone that the MMPI is a worthless crock of shit?
I agree 100%. I found her to be very clear and well spoken. I loved how she was clarifying the dimensions of the test. It was definitely a learning experience for me just listening from a big fan of psychology.
I’m trying to be open minded with this case, but I just can’t get on board with you. Honestly, based on those voice recordings of Amber and Johnny, it is crystal clear as to who was the abuser in the relationship. Those recordings, in addition to the entire situation going on between the couple, back up Dr. Curry’s analysis of Amber. I respectfully disagree that Dr. Curry was bias in her opinion. She was incredibly professional and had years of experience in the field. She’s not some fan girl crushing on Johnny Depp like Amber’s lawyers would like people to think. They saw an attractive woman speaking on behalf of Johnny Depp and threw all her credentials out the window. That’s cheap and not a good look on their part.
I don't think Dr grande is siding with amber here, I think he just pointing out that the clinical psychiatric assessment isn't necessarily 100% accurate because it never is with anyone, we are too complex...but I don't believe he was offering his opinion on who was in the wrong here.
@@nate2759 he is not siding with amber, just trying to be as unbiased as possible. jeez. especially in the video about johnny deeps testimony, he shows sympathy for depp
Not to mention sexist! Dr.Curry were not an attractive woman AH's lawyer would have never tried to imply that Dr.Curry met at JD's house for dinner and drinks when she met with JD's team and the only way AH's team knew this occurred is because that is the way things are usually conducted 99.9% of the time.AH's lawyers trial style is to petty and aggressive, in my opinion is only hurting AH case which is weak to begin ..although it is off putting I hope she continues so JD will finally get justice and clear his name in the public eye ...recovering the tarnish on his career due to what I believe are all manufactured lies.
AH in her counterclaim stated that she suffered ptsd as the result of the abuse. Judge asked for her mental evaluation and ptsd diagnosis, so JD team were able to to appoint an expert.
From what I remember, the lawyer asked which item, more than 65, was the most important to you and she said that there was more than one above 65 and she would need to look at her study. Amber’s lawyer didn’t allow her to look at her study. It looks like Amber is clearly not normal.
I dated a guy for three years, and I lived with him for part of that. He started out being very sweet and loving and seemed like it was meant to be at first. It didn’t take long to reveal another side. He didn’t want me spending time with friends, got very angry and said it was our time. He had ambition and would even talk to an investor and start his own roadside business, but he never paid his bills. He lied to his landlords then lied to me about it too. When I tried to break up with him, he started shaking and crying, telling me that every woman in his life had left him, including his mom when he was only 8. Of course, it worked, and I felt sympathy and didn’t want to be the cause of his hurt. I once found antipsychotic medicine in the bathroom that I asked about, and that sent him into a rage. He threw them in the trash and said he didn’t need them. He cheated on me, but of course when I found out, I was crazy, just jealous, and he would never do that to me. Once, when he worked for a company doing deliveries, he told me he had fallen off their porch due to a bad railing, and he fell pretty far and got injured. When I got in his truck, I saw the wound was a straight cut that wouldn’t have happened from a fall, and I found a package of straight razor blades on the floorboard of his truck. I felt like I was in a horror movie, realizing at that moment that he had cut his own face to claim that he was injured at their house. He took them to court over it. He also claimed to have broken his tooth on an olive pit on a Domino’s pizza. He was always pushing for us to get married, but I refused, which angered him tremendously. I found out that he’d been married 6 times by that time from his brother who informed me of a lot of things. He would get this look on his face, and I knew he had to have an argument with me, but I’m the type to avoid all confrontation, so I wanted away. I’d try to leave, and he would take my keys and sit in front of the only door so I couldn’t. I’d go to another room to get away, and he’d follow me, trying to push my buttons to get a fight started. I felt like a caged animal. He once backed me against the kitchen counter, towering over me, in my face, yelling at me, getting spit on me. I had to grab him by the throat to get away. I felt like I was always getting so worked up by him that I wasn’t myself anymore. He yelled at me in public, humiliating me. Another time, we were sitting next to each other, having an argument, and as I went to take a drink of water from my bottle, he so forcefully grabbed it that it busted my lip and got water everywhere. I used to see other couples and try not to cry because I just wanted a loving relationship, and I definitely didn’t have it. I ended up getting an apartment, unbeknownst to him, and I slowly moved my stuff out while he was gone. When he went out of town for the weekend I had family help me move my big furniture out and into my new apartment. It felt like such a relief to finally be free from all of that.
It sounds horrible what you went through, I'm glad you are free of this hell! I had a co-worker in a similar position, but she never saw it, but we did. Every time we tried to make her see sense of her reality, she would always get defensive and downplay the whole thing. Extremely sad to see people who choose to live this reality.
Well, your credibility as a psychologist just took a header. Are you watching the same trial we are? She fits all the criteria pretty clearly once you review her actions and her recordings. Though I will agree, narcissistic disorder is in there. I also don't think she held the test up to be the end all be all of diagnostic tools. They asked if she had confidence in it and she does. Thats a direct answer to a direct question. There's never any reason to get into more detail than that unless its obvious the lawyer is trying to imply something inaccurate by asking the question... such as the damn muffins. His lawyers are on the ball and they chose an excellent psychologist. I can't tell if Heards lawyers are seriously terrible or if they're struggling so bad because they literally got nothing to work with and they know she's guilty af. I guess its not impossible to be both.
@@jakobsylvester7449 I’m unsure, since my daughter has the exact same career, and I’m not impressed with her either. It’s a Masters or in Grande’s case a PhD, as a _Clinical Therapist in Social Work._ That kind of person will be shredded in court, as I’ve personally witnessed, He’s not a doctor as in being a physician, but has the right to use the nominal character Dr. because of his PhD. I actually telephoned Amber’s lawyer yesterday and left a message to check this video out. I suggested to rebut with at least least one psychologist and 2 psychiatrists of their own. Her testimony is so completely easy to refute _if_ these lawyers have any any intelligence at all.
"Not all".... but more than enough to warrant not trusting any. If people with BPD feel they get a bad rap, you have only other people with BPD to blame. Its not "stigma", or prejudice, its cold, hard, experience. Overwhelming amounts of diagnostic history and experience. Having depression is stigmatized. Not BPD. That diagnosis is a warning label. It doesn't mean the Person is "evil"... it means their Behavior can't be trusted.
@@yuriination but putting people with the same diagnoses in the same box isn't good. Even if you have had bad experience with someone you know who has bpd. Many people with bpd direct their frustration towards themselves and not other people.
@@yuriination I'm sorry, this is just not true. People with depression are not stigmatised more than BPD. People with BPD do not need to come with a "warning label" and that is an incredibly judgemental statement. People without BPD can also be abusive, if you would like to be cautious about everyone then that is fine, but to judge an entire group of people who are unwell is just prejudice. Kindly- a Clinical Psychologist
I spent five years of my life and $26,000 in student loans which in today's dollars is $67,000 on my Masters and Doctorate degrees in the field of Education. Dr. Curry's getting a practitioners degree is as challenging as a Ph.D and both require exhaustive dissertation work. That said Dr Curry on her bio noted receiving a Master of Science in Clinical Psychopharmacology (MSCP) which makes her eligible for prescriptive authority in military jurisdictions. She has been trained in PTSD through Veteran's Affairs. Clearly, in my layman opinion, she is saying all things considered Amber Heard is not being forthcoming in her portrayal of her issues. I think Dr. Curry has the standing to do so. And remember this--a lot of independent parties like the police, the man who works at the building of Johnny's penthouse and others never saw any bruises of Amber's. Plus, no other woman came forward saying Johnny abused them. Bottom line: Dr. Curry's opinion is not an outlier.
Nah. The points Dr. Grande made are real. It’s pretty implausible to think you could rule out PTSD with any level of certainty. For someone in the mental health profession to talk about anyone with mental illness the way she did didn’t really seem right. You just can’t assume you can know or diagnose a person with such certainty.
I could not agree more with you. It's the whole picture. Plus a research based PhD is not better in the PRACTICAL field. I am 44 years old now and I started to believe that many people prefer the ivory tower and look down on people who have practically been there longer and more experience. I was a research assistant in the ivory tower, that's why I can tell. It's not fair.
@@tnijoo5109 when we diagnose, we do exactly that, ruling out certain illnesses. Have you been trained in diagnosis? I have. 600 cases where our teachers supervise you and ask you why it's this and not that. You start with a "Verdachtsdiagnose" and then after hours of exploring further, you come to a conclusion. Why do we do this? Because it's important to us which treatment we will choose. Hence, yes, we do rule out certain things "and lying and manipulative behavior is "expected" in cluster B disorders",that's a quote from my professor by the way..
@@katja6332 no. I’ve never been trained to diagnose anyone. I see your points. I guess it’s just that you diagnose as best you can but it’s not like you assume you’ve got it 100% right. You know how complex people are and that it would be hard to rule out something like PTSD that can look so different in different people depending on what they’re already working with. That’s all I mean. And I just couldn’t get over Dr. Curry’s lack if compassion. It seems like seeing her testimony would deter people from ever seeking mental help. It was gross to me.
@@tnijoo5109 It´s a defamation trial. If someones lies and manipulates a lot about something, I believe it´s okay to not feel too much compassion with the person who manipulates and got cought red handed during a very extended psychological evaluation. She´s a trained forensic psychologist, which means she is trained to assess behavioural, emotional and psychological problems and disorders and mental health status for COURT. Her role in court is completely different than being in her role as a clinical psychologist in private seesions with a client. Don´t confuse the role she has in court. Her job is to interact with attourneys and apply a thorough psychological assessment of the person in question. which she did, including all the prior diagnoses of former therapists of AH videos , audios , several tests and follow up interviews.
What Jonny is doing is exposing the world to the legacy of abuse. He is actually exposing everyone to what the victims of domestic abuse live with and lose. Amber's mental state is not an excuse for what she has done if the court finds she lied. I thank Jonny for his courage.
the day after Dr. Curry's testimony, AH's hair was styled similarly, contained on one side, hanging down on the other, though it was hard to see since we could only see one side of AH's heard on the courtroom feed most of the time. Copying? Everyone noticed how AH seemed to copy JD's outfits.
Ive never seem so much stupidity. Amber has been styling her hair differently every day. The psychologist hair just looked like she had just woke up and went to court. The psychologist was also Wearing the glasses to look more 'professional' since she looks like Amber Heard herself. It's more surprising that johnny hired and expert who looks like his ex wife. People should relax with the stupidity already and that she's copying. What they use in court is usually decided by someone else and this time Amber always has her hair styled. She used the black blouse with black cardigan at the UKs trial. She's sticking with a suit or a typical blouse+blazer and neutral colors.
@@redleeks6253 seriously, she looks absolutely nothing like amber. Anyone would know that amber would tell her stylish want she wants to look like. I think that you are stretching for some normality about amber. Nope who shits in their husband's side of the bed. She is crazy absolutely vulgar woman
@@ek7390 No. It looked altogether too smooth all over on other days and I think it would be soothing to have someone do it for her for court appearances. The day she seemed to mimick Dr. Curry, that was kind of messy and one-sided--I could believe she pulled that one off herself.
As a practicing therapist I appreciate your perspective that bias exists and objectivity can be elusive in helping people. Assessments are even more challenging and I’m glad you dispelled the myth that they represent exactness. We do the best we can in understanding people. Perhaps that is both the challenge that holds our interest and the inevitable blind spots that exist for all humans. Thanx as always for a great analysis of this case.
@@DR-nh6oo As in any profession there is a variance in levels of integrity. I can only be responsible for my own and any consumer who believes their provider hasn’t met their obligation should contact the appropriate licensing board.
@@melvynobrien6193 - It is not a pseudo-Science. Psychology is a science because it takes the scientific approach to understanding human behaviour. Pseudoscience refers to beliefs and activities that are claimed to be scientific but lack one or more of the three features of science. Psychology is based on well-established, repeating patterns and regularities in nature. It uses careful observation and experimentation to confirm or reject a hypothesis. Evidence against theories and laws are searched for and studied closely.
I told my wife Friday that the recording of how Amber argued was how my ex fought with me. She is clinically diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder. This was before this testimony.
I think a lot of people are realizing they may be in or have been in an abusive relationship, and not just assuming that they were "mutually abusive ".
I totally agree, I heard the the hour long recording of her and Johnny before this testimony came down and I told people that recording gave me flashbacks, my ex was diagnosed with BPD by a therapist, I was with her for 5 very long years she especially did not want me to leave during arguments she felt I was abandoning her. she never got violent but it was the most abusive relationship I was ever in.
@@robertsaladino that doesn’t surprise me at all, I was engaged with mine but would never get married to her. I told her she needed to stop all the nonsense if she ever wanted to get married. Thank god I never did. I dodged a bullet for sure.
So interesting. I have watched every minute of this trial so far, and as someone on the outside looking in, it strikes me that Amber Heard fits ALL the testimony by "experts". I believe her diagnosis is complex, but I have a hard time buying that treatment would be so complicated that it cannot even be begun. She needs help if she wants to have even the slightest chance of healthy wellness and fulfillment in life.
And she needs to get help cuz now she has a young child she’s raising. And that is really concerning. I’m convinced my mother had bpd and it takes a lifetime to get straightened out after being brought up by someone with those issues
I understand the points you are making. But I found Dr. Curry to be spot on. Amber is not all that unique in her behavior. Her circumstances may be different than the average young woman but her behavior is a very common set of responses to a specific set of needs. She has a need to control, a need to be loved (which we all have) but her need is to be loved "exclusively" in every way...romantic, platonic, famial. She needs to come before all others. This I believe is very pertinent to Dr. Curry's assessment. She needs to be everything to her romantic partner. Age is another factor...what generally is important to a 58 yo differs from a 30 yo. There is so much to unpack here. Dr. Curry didn't have the luxury of time. She relied on notes taken from others, her own expert opinion and in this case, the tests administered were benchmarks in the absence of time to get to observe her...although it wouldn't take very long to see through her. This is not to say that Mr. Depp has his own set of disorders. However, the task at hand is to determine who was "abused". It appears tgey both were verbally abusive, but I'm willing to go as far as saying...she was physically violent on another person. He took out his frustrations on inanimate objects. Substance abuse played a role in both their unsavory behaviors.
Even hearing Heard's testimony on the stand Wednesday and Thursday... I found it very hard to listen to. I'll leave the blatant overacting and lying aside (that's a whole 'nother discussion) for a moment. I tried to look at what was behind that, what I saw in the in-between, I tried to abstract from the actual content of what she was saying. And what I noticed was that whenever she was describing physical assaults (which are, btw, completely unreconcilable with the evidence she offered), she goes on at length about worrying about whether the bruises would be visible, worrying whether she'd be able to cover it all, worrying what people might see, some of the most 'painful' moments for her seemed to be moments of indignation and embarrassment. All of these come across to me as being very much focused on image, on how she's perceived by others. But very little was described about any pain she felt - also a red flag... someone who has been assaulted to that extent would remember *some* pain at least, right? She also keeps looking at the jury like she's checking whether she's convincing them, trying to almost laser her messages into their eyes, staring them down as if to dare them to disbelieve her. Aside from the fact that I highly doubt someone who has been assaulted as much and as violently as she described would have the flat-out courage to stare a (predominantly male) jury straight in the eyes for 10+ hours straight, it also signaled to me even more concern about how she was perceived. Another thing is that she doesn't seem able to accept any kind of responsibility for her actions whatsoever. She keeps portraying herself as the immaculate perfection of purity, the poor victim who has done nothing wrong. If I remember correctly, Depp didn't try to absolve himself from all the blame, and he admitted to some stuff that made him look bad. Of course it's difficult for everyone, but he did it. He didn't try to manage his image to perfection, like Heard seems to be doing. The one instance she describes hitting him, she says it was in defence of her sister who was allegedly almost pushed down the stairs by Depp, almost as if she's trying to offload at least part of the blame onto her sister. I don't know, it just stuck out to me that the only time she admits to hitting him is in a situation where a third party is involved. I imagine she might view it as more heroic or admirable to throw a punch to save a sister than to defend yourself. And just to be clear, I don't think Heard is evil. I don't even think 'evil' is that much of a concept at all. In fact, I think 'evil' is a word people use to reject responsibility for caring for another human being simply because of their actions. I do think she's actively doing things to hurt and damage Depp, for sure. No one with a clear conscience would go on the witness stand so blatantly over-embellishing lies of horridly violent abuse which obviously can't (fully) be true considering the available evidence. That much is clear. She clearly doesn't have any qualms about wrecking Depp in this case. However, I also don't think she has the same moral perceptions of good and bad as we do. In my experience with people with Cluster B personality disorders, they view it as something good to do whatever it takes to save yourself and save your image/resources/safety/whatever. They don't see it as something morally wrong. And I simply don't think she does either. I think she's just doing this to save herself. She doesn't need to be demonized or vilified or nailed to a cross, she needs help, therapy, and treatment. She's still a human being. And while she's doing things that are - at least to us - very much objectionable, she's still a fellow human being. Her actions are wrong, but the person is still a person.
@@MerelvandenHurk Wow, I appreciate your comment! Very well thought through and explained. I never considered that she might not apply the same system of "right vs wrong" that most of us understand, to herself. But when it comes to the subject of "evil", which I think does exist, maybe more in the realm of philosophy or spirituality rather than psychology, I do see her behavior cross into the realm of evil. For what it's worth. Which is not to say that she is not primarily a sick person who needs help/treatment. But, you know, you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink ...
@@MerelvandenHurk I think you're spot on. I've been in a romantic relationship with such a woman. It didn't go as far, nor as bad as what is displayed on this trial. Nonetheless, the verbal and emotional abuse hurt me very, very much. Your comment struck me, because, regarding my ex being "guilty" or not, I just can't figure out an answer by myself. Yes, she needed treatment. Yes, she was in pain and not happy. No, she didn't do it "on purpose", although at moments she was acutely aware of her behavior, it was her condition. And she was under medication and followed by both a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Yes, she needed help, and care and compassion. That's also one of the reasons why I didn't flee right when the abuse begun (who leaves a loved one when in desperate need for help ?). Anyway... Yes, she wasn't "evil", like you said. But... was she not ? I had a severe depression which whom I'm still struggling with two years after the relationship is over. My psychological pain and distress was real (still is, but much milder now). I kind of... need to see her as a very, very nasty and vile person. But can't... I loved her so much.
Just one note here - Dr Curry mentioned review of AH’s therapy and MH notes. I believe AH was already dx with BPD, hence JD’s attorneys anticipating what she may find. IMO, AH’s lawyer tried to discredit Dr Curry with nonsense, making her look all the more credible. Additionally, I worked as a MH social worker for over a decade. I worked with many clients who had a Dx of BPD without a Dx of PTSD. Here, it was noted that AH also had a history of depression and anxiety, and some post traumatic symptoms.
Thanks for pointing that out. I honestly thought it was gross to try to dIscredit someone with her experience and education by implying she went on a date with depp. I don’t think a man would have had that weird undertone.
@@lilij1915 like I said - it’s my belief. But we know that Dr Curry had access to prior MH documentation, bc she discussed reading a note about Amber slapping her friend Rocky, and the therapeutic techniques she was working on to deal with her flashes of anger like she had in that situation.
I thought this psychologist was a hired gun, whose purpose was to discredit Amber. I'm sure Johnny with his millions and fame hired her to do just that.
I have taken the MMPI and it was extremely helpful in understanding many things about myself and how I react and deal with things. I didn't come out to have the very serious problems Amber had but rather made me aware that my thoughts that I was handling my traumas well ànd it was my 3 brothers that were the only ones that suffered only. He helped me understand how I am highly protectove of my loved ones. That I am effected that they wrre terminally ill and I was not, so I refused to accept how it did have a great effect on me and my reactions and more. I learned my weaknesses was my loved ones. Though I perceived myself as fine and even handed with all. But he showed how it is my Achilles heel. He taught me to work on this. The MMPI is a very important tool at getting to the truth.
Dr. Grande's observation's as per usual are spot on. Also, his last words .......be careful when a relationship starts out as magical as "Alice In Wonderland because (without taking the time to get to know each other) it can end up as a "Nightmare on Elm Street". Acerbic and to the point!!! No one says it like Dr. Grande.
@@lconfig2117 Did he? Now I'll have to watch it again.. lol I'm not much of a Depp fan and had no idea who she was until this.. The DA drew me in the first time around. Those of us raised by BPDs know them when we see them. Just my humble opinion.
So, we’re to ignore that fact that she was married to a junky (Depp), someone emotionally unavailable, who made himself physcially unavailable by walking away (abandoning), someone with a history of anger and verbal and physical aggression which often expressed itself violently? His entire team are paid stooges who he flew around the world, put up either in his own home or paid for theirs. They dined with him, drank with him, traveled with him (including his MD and the pscychologist who has zero experience or credentials to act as a forensic expert at a trial). Depp is your run-of-the-mill narcissist who has pushed this woman to the brink, a woman who truly loved him. How can yo ignore the facts? When are we going to stop calling emotional women crazy? Every time she takes a stand for herself it’s being used against her. This whole thing is a farce. She never stood a chance with this manipulative, controlling addict 22 years her senior. And are we really supposed to feel sorry for this man who spent approximately 2 million dollars a month until his 650 million dollar net worth dwindled to ‘only’ 150 million dollars? Are we really supposed to believe that this full grown man, 22 years older than this young girl was incapable of taking care of himself? This is a man with years of bad behavior, a man who has acknowledged his drug use, alcohol abuse, temper, and anger, jealousy and control issues (as he’s voiced on several tapes demanding that his wife not make movies, and not fraternize with the crew and fellow actors etc.). He often accuses her of what he’s guilty of - that is he has used her, he does not love her, he abuses her. We’re asked to look at her screaming at him but that’s the ‘end’ of the story, the result of his behavior. The beginning of the story starts with this severely morally compromised man with significant drug abuse and addiction issues, who is not ‘present’ enough to connect and engage. In psychology there is a term called ‘crazy making’ behavior. We are seeing Amber’s response to Johnny Depp’s behavior. If he’s a victim here, it’s only a victim to himself and his monsters. The tapes of Amber demonstrate a woman who loves a man who won’t give her the time of day, and abandons her and the relationship at the first sight of being held accountable. So what if she finally pushes back and sticks up for herself, its a difficult thing to do, especially in such an uneven power structure (age, status, gender). She is consistently under scrutiny, but he’s not. Why? Because he’s a movie star, or cute, or just a man? Amber can do no right in the media’s eye. She is being scrutinized for either being too emotional or not emotional enough. It’s not just men, women pick apart women and throw them under the bus at first blush. Women are dissected and crucified when they come forward like this, it’s not worth the bloodbath, which is why most don’t (even rape victims). She should be supported, and she should be believed. Her failing to press charges isn’t proof of a false report, it’s the most common behavior of an abused woman, and if anything it’s proof of her love for Depp and her fear of his reprisals. Case in point. And let’s not forget that this same trial was conducted in England, and that court found Johnny Depp guilty of abuse cut and dry, so much so that the judge would not even allow him to appeal the verdict. This trial, Johnny got his (fake) ducks in a row, and upon inspection of each person his team has introduced, it becomes clear as day, and it’s an embarrassment. He’s banking on his pirate-charm and American fan base to influence what should be grounded perception. He’s even got his bots on this channel (along with every other social media platform) flooding them with pro-Johnny anti-amber commentary. What guile. One need only remove their movie-star glasses to see the facts as they are: A fella who’s insatiable need for attention fueled by unbridled hubris believing he can sway public sentiments based on his star status. But I say he’s more ‘pirate’ than ‘movie star’. He’s got a grotesquely disproportionate sense of entitlement and import, and is highly skilled at the art of manipulation (even with slurred speech - and did you notice that disappeared as soon as he saw the reviews that spoke to his painstaking incoherence). He’s a grown up without a job (unless you call play acting ‘work’). He doesn’t feel valuable because he has no value, because he’s way out of ethics-as is evidence by his penchant for destruction and sabotage (relationships, career, property, money, substance abuse). He needs help. He’s an admitted criminal who indulges in infantile temper tantrums and self destructive and abusive behavior. He has no internal barometer or restraints. He has admitted to self harm (all witnesses and all tapes reveal he cut off his own finger), and he has repeatedly stated that he wants to die, and I might add -kill and rape her (as he stated and read aloud in a court of law, in his many texts). He should be arrested, arraigned, and involuntarily committed. He needs to be stopped and we need to stop playing favorites. Whatever happened to ‘justice is blind’? In this case, it’s Hellen Keller.
Anyone with intelligence and psychological awareness could diagnose Amber with BPD without any test. Her behavior is textbook BPD in endless ways, it’s clear as day. It sounded “too perfect” because it was so accurate, reading the BPD behaviors described Ambers behavior in every way. Just because she was brought in by Depps team doesn’t make that less true.
I think that she did what a lot of young beautiful and semi talented people do they marry someone that can help them get ahead because of money or something else....
I had to take the MMPI when I was a teenager, and I was simply told that I lied on it and was sent away without further discussion. I didn't lie though. I was suicidal, depressed, and very emotional, and I wanted help out of the pit I was in. It was such a waste of several hours.
Pretty much what happened to me, but I had a sympathetic therapist who knew I wasn't lying on the test. I did want to meet the person who answered "No" to "Do you believe in God?" and "Yes" to "Do you believe God is talking to you?" That struck me as two odd questions to have on the same test.
After watching AH's testimony, and rewatching Dr. Curry's testimony, she nailed it. AH was acting as if she was in a play. Her speech was very colorful, flamboyant and she would switch emotional extremes at will. She shows mimicry of subject, and she produces lack of emotion appropriate for the situation.
I had a friend who was diagnosed with BPD. I really wanted to be her friend. However, her personality disorder made it so exhausting and draining for me. I recall her going into a very angry rage when a certain person who she didn’t even know personally would not leave her partner after he cheated on them. I just couldn’t understand it. Where was this coming from? She would frequently overdose or take too many pills and drink beer with it. She would get a cab to ER and just say she was there for observation while the drugs went thorough the system. Yes she was a frequent flyer at local Emergency departments. She kept missing so much work she was encouraged to retire young which she did. All through this she had psychiatrists and a good family doctor. It was effecting my mental health especially the overdoses and self harm.I had to discontinue the friendship. I wished her well. It was more than I could deal with. Around ten years later her mother called me and told me she had died. Apparently, she died in her sleep. According to the LE that found her in her apartment there was no evidence of pills or booze around. She died of natural causes. Well at least she is at peace now. It’s sad that she was in such misery most days. While dialectical behaviour therapy has proven to have success in people with BPD there are not that many therapists trained in this field currently. I feel my former friend was born with a brain that was susceptible to these conditions. Her other siblings appeared normal to me. Some people are given a terrible cross to bear in this life. There are no easy solutions for these conditions, in my opinion. Sad but true.
You know, I've known people with borderline symptoms and people with dementia and I see them doing some of the same things. It makes me wonder if there is some sort of brain damage or neurological difference involved in borderline. People with dementia will also lack insight, have rage, externalise blame, have delusions and appear to make things up which is called confabulation. When the brain lacks memories for an event it will make up what happened and the person is completely convinced that this is the truth. I'm sorry your friend died. I suppose regular overdosing would have taken its toll on her body.
the stigma associated with BPD and Cluster B PD's are really saddening, they really do make it seem as though these people are inherently evil. But sadly, the effects on loved ones and those close with many who meet criteria for BPD suffer tremendous abuse. May your friend rest in peace, so many lives are sadly destroyed by these things
Great advice Dr Grande! Note: Jason Mamoa (Aquaman) has made a video saying that Amber Heard threw bottles of liquor on set while making Aquaman. This information contributes to verify Ambers mental health issues.
Are you sure? Because people have been making dubbed videos of jason lately, id like to see it anyway if its real do u know where i can? Could u provide the link? Cheers
Seeing the 3 testimonies (Dr. Curry, RN Filati, and Dr. Hughes) put this into context. The RN notes indicated that Heard admitted to a history of “anxiety, eating disorder, Attention Deficit Disorder, Bipolar disorder, codependence issues, and occasional insomnia.” She also had virtually nothing in her notes about any physical injuries suffered by Heard. On the one hand, it’s very difficult to imagine that anyone could be capable of lying or concocting stories of such extreme, pervasive abuse. But it’s even more dubious that there would be no evidence, especially when she interacted almost daily with a personal nurse. To me this suggests that she has a personality disorder associated with pathological lying (e.g. HPD)- it’s the only conclusion supported by the evidence (so far). Certainly, if this were a criminal case there would be more than a reasonable doubt. Although Mr. Depp does not risk prison, he has lost many personal freedoms based on the unsupported accusations of one person. There needs to be a higher standard than “believe all women.”
I'm also up to date, and went back and re-listened to JD's testimony and recordings. The audio recordings of their discussions just simply don't make sense with AH's story. There's even a recording of a discussion of the Australia incident. AH's recount of events in her testimony was just absolutely heartbreaking and horrific, BUT the recorded conversation from after just does NOT compute with her description, but perfectly matches JD's AND is in line with his statements about what the cycle of they arguments were from his point of view (they disagree, she has to be right, things get heated, he tries to leave, she gets violent) and every other recording of their arguments
@@NewtScamander1 I agree. When looking at the evidence in total, the explanation that makes most sense is that she suffers from Histrionic PD. Her history is consistent with childhood neglect, so she requires a lot of attention and she’s incredibly driven to get it, even if it means lying. Its no wonder she latched on to him the way she did, her treating therapists were either too starstruck or lackadaisical to provide the support she needed, and her friends, family & advocates (forensic psych & attorneys) are enabling and exploiting her. It’s sad really, because she’s completely committed to the lie now. In one recording you hear her say something about how she can’t take it back or she’ll lose credibility, so she sees no way to end it amicably. At this point she truly feels her survival is at risk and she’s not far from wrong. It seems the entire internet is focusing incredible hate towards her.
I find it interesting that Amber's attorneys seem to be solely focused on discrediting JD and not offering any evidence to back her claims. I also find it interesting that her attorneys are acting so aggressive and at times down right rude. You would think they would be concerned about how they are coming off to the jury. Whether the jury like the attorneys or not should not hold weight on their decisions but i guarantee that it will affect who they believe to be telling the truth. We still have her side to hear but from what i have seen in the news, her witnesses seem to be backing out one by one. I don't think it looks very good for Amber. I think Johnny is an honest and humble man with some demons. What angers me most is that Amber's attorneys are trying to insinuate that drug/alcohol abuse equals abuse. As a recovering alcoholic myself I find this not only offensive but, in general, false. The fight against the stigma placed on people with addictions is not being helped by these aggressive and offensive attorneys. They are intentionally keeping this stigma alive and using it to their advantage which i find morally and ethically repulsive. All of that being said, it will be interesting to see her side of the case and how that plays out. Thank you Dr. Grande for doing these videos. I always appreciate your take on things! Big fan!
To be honest, that is what the defence is meant to do. Poke holes at the evidence brought on by the plaintiff in this case. He is suing her for defamation, all they have to do is show he does not have the necessary grounds to prove it. As they have done mainly cross-examination, they will come off as the more aggressive party (although I would argue they have acted a tad petulant at times and the female attorney is very off-putting, even in her opening statement). You will however get to hear more about AH's claims because she is also countersuing for defamation due to some statements made by one of JD's attorneys. She will also testify on the stand which is when her legal team will seek to strengthen her claim. But she will also be subject to cross-examination at which point she will have to answer some difficult questions, for example, how come she stated publicly quite a few times that she has donated her divorce settlement as promised when in fact she has not.
Regarding their strategy of painting JD as a violent abuser because of addiction, you are right. It might not sit well with the jury just as it does not with you, due to their previous experiences. Even so, that doesn't mean they will rule in his favour regarding the defamation. She is not on trial for domestic violence.
@@Alabamasparra Gaslighty or not, again, this is their job. To paint everything in a light that is in their client's advantage. Their execution might turn off the jury, however, but it's impossible to say at this point.
She may have seemed didactic about the tests because she needed to make her point firmly after enduring AH’s lawyers apparent attempts to discredit her and her repetitive questions, most of which did not seem germane to the testimony. She endured that with considerable grace.
I thought Dr Curry discredited herself by going to Johnny's place, having a meal and drinks with him while being interviewed by his attorneys. If I was on the jury I would disregard anything she said. I thought amber's attorney did a good job of discrediting her.
@@biancapierce639 Interesting. Why did that discredit her in your eyes? They couldn’t meet in a public restaurant for the interview like they would for a non celebrity client. Do you think she should have turned down the food while she was in a dinner meeting? I’m just wondering if it’s the location or the food you find discrediting. If so, do you think she was wrong to have a private meeting with Amber and eat breakfast with her? In the medical field any legal meeting I’ve been party to has been a breakfast, lunch, or dinner meeting. Either at a home, restaurant, or empty office.
@@anjou6497 I think that Johnny and Amber physically and psychologically abused each other with Johnny getting the worst of it from Amber and the worst of it for his career.
Interesting that Heard and Depp HAD been together a long time. They actually started seeing each other in 2009 and got together in 2012, engaged in 2014 married in 2015 ... not sure what would be long enough to evaluate a partner's behavior
Whilst I found Dr Curry to be very well spoken and her explanations seem to back up her clinical skills and experience, it also makes sense that a psychologist employed by the prosecution is going to provide an explanation and evidence supporting the prosecution’s case. As Dr Grande pointed out, if AH’s T-scores are within normal range it’s difficult to claim there were irrefutable diagnoses of BPD and HPD. It would have been more accurate to say that AH’s presentation was consistent with these diagnoses and demonstrated many features of them, indicating these diagnoses but would be her best hypotheses based on her clinical judgment. As Dr Grande pointed out in one of his other videos, things look really favourable for JD at the moment because the defense has not yet given their evidence and version of events.
AHs declared on record that Mr. Depps alleged treatment of her caused PTSD. Therefore, a ptsd expert (as Dr. Curry is, as per her impressive curriculum) was granted to Depps side by the court. That is why she focused specifically on PTSD, ultimately refuting the validity of Heards claim.
she's the kind that believes ptsd can only be caused by life or death events like war, being held hostage, suffering a serious incident. Certainly not familiar with CPTSD. Amber could have PTSD from a previous trauma thats why she could score so high and the relationship might have triggered her PTSD symptoms. But curry said she doesn't have PTSD.
@@redleeks6253 She mentioned CPTSD, actually, in her testimony. Even acknowledged AH might have childhood trauma, which might explain some of the scores. But clearly she didn't believe AH's claim that Johnny gave her PTSD. Which is the crux of it.
This is inaccurate given Amber Heard has a unique mental health status. Many people met their partner and hope nothing changes but that’s not life most people have goals, grow and change.
Watching this s**tshow has reminded me no one is talking about emotional abuse. First off, I am not talking about Amber Heard, but I know from personal observation that a great way to emotionally abuse a spouse is to accuse them of crimes where the punishment will be applied without due process. I'm a woman, but I do not believe that men should automatically lose their careers because of a physical or sexual abuse accusation. I also don't think women should get a pass for violence against a man because he is bigger or other such nonsense. I know plenty of small children who have been beaten by angry mothers. Women can be as abusive as men. Problems in our justice system should not be handled by the media, public sentiment, or celebrity activists. (AH has now accused JD of sexual assault. I hope this accusation is met with more openness to skepticism than her 2018 op-ed was.)
Women are more likely to be the abusers in mother-children relationships because of the power dynamics and it's way worse because there's no "mutual" going on here. The child doesn't have capacity to know she's been abused, the child loves mother unconditionally and relies on her for survival, the child isn't even considered a legal person to get their rights validated. In intimate partner relationships (heterosexual) the man often holds the power in the relationship, even if just physical but often has way more. In this case Johnny has definitely more power in the relationship but the abuse is mutual. Johnny isn't afraid of Amber that's why he asks her to beat him, the "2 bams" he mentioned. Imagine being hit by your partner and then go on his face "you wanna hit me again. Go ahead hit me, i allow you", what kind of trip is this. When i listened to Depp telling that I was like "wtf you are saying dude! You say she's hitting her the woman is already on fire and you go on her face and ask for 2 more?". That's a challenge. But if we are talking about emotional abuse what about his stonewalling practices and ghosting periods. Apparently he had a disappearance act for a week. Shutting down communication with your partner for one week it's cruel especially for amber who seems to have abandonment wounds, she pretty much verbalized. Johnny seems to only be comfortable in long distance relationships, something that he had with Vanessa. I also think that with 2 children at home Vanessa would be glad to see him away when he was on his alcohol/substance highs. Food for thought. His sister booking an extra hotel room doesn't seem something she developed only after the marriage with Amber. I'm not sure if his sister is his manager but she must know him well enough that he has this need to isolate. Probably if he wants to drink and his partner is against a conflict would start. Ah, not to forget all the women he dates are "c*nts" but when he is recording they are "babes" and "kids". Johnny seems more borderline than amber or narc narc as all Hollywood stars need to be.
What about oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder? Also, how about giving full responsibility to Amber for her actions? She is in control of her thoughts and actions, but just makes the choice to be cruel to people.
I’m a survivor of DA Jonny is not guilty of the accusations AH claims Yes he may be eccentric and use substances but he’s no woman beater, AH is a disgrace It doesn’t take a professional to see what that woman is doing
It's called common sense. Observe the woman, her interviews, add up the lies and her obsessiveness to have JD destroyed, even as it is costing her her own career. It's kinda sad in one sense that someone can be so mentally ill as to go about their own destruction on the road to revenge, and on the other hand as said, as said -common sense applied with seeing and hearing all those things combined , i personally don't even care what the actual or more or less factual diagnosis is between specialists that don't support each other analysis and diagnoses or methods of testing, i can see for myself that the woman is not well at all, and that JD went though a continuous hell with her. And it continues to this day. I went through my hell with my x, a narc ( or whatever the heck someone would have diagnosed him with having, i don't care - being from hell, for me) for over 20 years due to having a child with him, its a systematic HUNT for this kind, the only thing that matters is to destroy someones life by whatever means necessary. Cheers to you for having survived and thrived. Its the only pleasure one can draw from having lived through hell.
It really hurts. I was re victimized by the court as well once I finally got out. It’s weird to me that Grande with all his knowledge of different disorders is completely ignoring the way people who are abusers responded when confronted by others - like an innocent lamb. Fooling others. Anybody who has suffered through this can see it for what it is, unfortunately
Are they going to bring up the fact that she abused her girlfriend back in 2009? I mean, she the past abuser with a DA arrest.. not Depp... Has that been brought up and I missed it?
I’m watching, I took some classes on psychology and I totally see histrionics there. I’m 4 courses in and I’m in the cluster B range with my own professional dr diagnosed mental diagnoses. I like Dr. Grande because he is usually non biased even when he makes his silly but funny jokes. 😌
Having been with a borderline I can say Heard has bpd. I know this person, I hear it and I see it. I can also say this borderline I had the displeasure of knowing did not have symptoms of PTSD but having been with them, 3 years later, I still do. Thos voice recordings gave me flashbacks and might as well have the same person. Evil, pure evil.
Do you think Princess Diana was evil? Guess what. She was a borderline. Amber is way more than just a borderline. Borderlines are "I hate you, but dont leave me!!.Other pathologies to me are more drastic than borderlines.Thats how I see it Unless they are a sociopath.
@@loristoneking4536 I knew something was up with her when she told Michael Jackson that Dirty Diana was her favorite song. This person tried to stab me then begged for an a** f******* in the same 5 minute span. They attempted suicide and ended up in the hospital 3 times because I tried leaving them. The last time I was told the diagnosis was bhpd so I never went to visit . 50,000 text messages and 4000 voicemails later I was out but by that point my whole life had fallen apart and emotionally I had to shut everything down. I'm still afraid of my phone and anxiety and fear are my only emotions. I dont know why I'm telling everyone this. Probably because the people in my life are tired of me and don't care anymore so I'm just grasping at this point
@@erinhammons6299 I'm ki da betting my life on the outcome of this trial. I've convinced myself if he wins then I've been vindicated and I can rid myself of my past and move forward. We'll see how that works out.
Her PTSD was busted when she showed the hidden camera tape when Johnny was slamming the cabinets. We can see her smiling at the end of the tape. Then when they show it in court, whenever she hears a cabinet slam & the camera is on her she cringes, as if startled. That's the best acting I've ever seen her do. GOLD DIGGER!
I know someone with BPD. The relationship was so volatile I ended the friendship, only to feel sorry for her, be abused and "dump her" as she called it. Over and over. She has made my life a nightmare. I keep praying one of these times I stop feeling sorry for her and walk away for good.
I've known 2 people with BPD and sadly what you've experienced is all too familiar. It's hard knowing these people are genuinely struggling but its also important to set boundaries and make sure you're not being abused and manipulated. Sometimes it's best to part ways
Ma’am just leave. It’s only a friend not a child or a spouse. I walked away from a friendship like this and my only regret is not doing it sooner. Go cold Turkey and cut off everything.
Way to go Dr. Grande, thank you for sticking up for people with bpd. As I watched this testimony I thought to myself that this is a really bad day for people with borderline personality disorder.
It was a really good point that he made about the doctor saying she had BPD and HPD but no PTSD. I can’t imagine someone having BPD and having no history of trauma. I don’t think it can happen. The symptoms develop for good reason. And we have to have empathy for that person because of whatever those reasons are. Even if they don’t always behave like we think they should.
I was under the impression that she was separating Amber's childhood PTSD from adult PTSD. She did say they analyze the two separately. I understood that she has PTSD from childhood abuse but not new PTSD. The nightmares etc.. were from prior to Johnny. Did I misunderstand?
I understood the same. That she was evaluating for any ptsd symptoms after the relationship began, and that in that evaluation, she didnt find evidence to sustain that she had it
I feel like you’d be such a great witness in a trial, logical, smart, very clear talking voice and some of the best appropriate wit around! Keep being the logical side of TH-cam. We need you!!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if he already has been. A lot of clinicians end up getting subpoenaed at some point or another. I've mosty seen it with custody cases, but it comes up for other reasons too.
Regardless of the defense trying to find things to discredit her, importantly that most of her results were not impressionistic, but from quantitive analyses and therefore impartial. Based on Amber’s own responses, and would’ve come out that way no matter who administered those tests. Dr Curry was an excellent witness. She did a great job contextualizing them, explaining them to a broad audience and answering questions.
I can't speak to her qualifications and the substance of her testimony, but I do watch a lot of trials and she was by far the most impressive expert witness I've ever seen. I don't recall a single objection to anything she said during direct, and I don't recall any under cross-examination because Depp's team clearly let her do her thing. They certainly had plenty of opportunities to object, certainly with the legal stuff Elaine was throwing at her, but they just left her to it while they giggled like schoolgirls lol.
Love the references to Johnny's movies at the end, doc. Love your channel, so informative and adore your dry humor! You deserve all of your success and I'm excited to see you hit that 2 million sub count! Many thanks! ♥️
This is the most important conversation that has been had on this issue. With my own mental health issues it is excruciating to watch these court proceedings and I just pray that all parties get the mental health they need
Ah, we're in Dr. Grande's wheelhouse now. Thanks for giving a non biased view of these types of things. Hearing you explain these different personality disorders is great, you always humanize rather than stigmatize.
Without the tapes, Curry's testimony could easily have been canceled out of the equationn by the jury (viewed as just another highly paid expert witness). But, those tapes alone are the megaphone that shows the lengths that Amber will go to in order to be the center of attention. The #1 obvious behavior to get and maintain that center of attention is to show/prove how others are "obviously" her persecutor. It's why she made the tapes. "This will prove just how persecuted I am." - As she guides the other person into using words or behaviors as defensive measures that she perceives them as being offensive. She has manipulation abilities down to an out-and-out perfection skill. She's surgical. And anyone who is blindly in love with her like Johnny was wouldn't be able to pick this up. It took having the tip of Johnny's finger to be crushed for him to snap out of it. Narcissists take absolute pleasure in being able to successfully push another's buttons. By successful, I mean their victim actually begins to agree with the narcissist that they are inept, disloyal and the cause of the narcissist's problems in life.
Omg thank you. Ive been so upset since hearing that diagnosis.. which i share after an attempt to leave the world 13 years ago. Ive since gotten my masters in psychology just to understand what i was diagnosed with fully.. my trust issues from childhood made it impossible for me to receive dbt or any treatment. I was just way too jaded and stubborn with the idea that “i raised myself. No1s ever cared. And now that i know what the issue is.. ill fix this myself too”.. this has been my best and worst symptom regarding trust.. bc i strive to always learn anything thats important to me to do the research myself. So i got my masters and through self awareness therapy on my own dissecting my thoughts using splitting methods.. im now pain free. I still have the same intrusive thoughts.. but after years of practice ive learned how to handle my triggers and how to avoid others.. it takes work.. but im proud how i did it.. With that said, the diagnosis given broke my heart bc im usually able to connect dots extremely intuitively to a level.. abd she just did not fit the mold except to further stigmatize that “bpd women are insane. Period”.. which.. hurts of course. Something i’ve always said jokingly is that BPD is like the SIDS of mentalhealth.. bc theres SO MUCH in community differences.. but we all just have diff levels of like 10 disorders. So kinda like SIDS.. i joke how a psychiatrist would look at us and just go “ok.. you got a whole mess going on.. ::BPD STAMP::”.. so to hear you affirm that, yes, there can be two people with diagnosed BPD with only one quality in common is SEVERLY true. Were all over a massive spectrum. I wish there was a way to horn this message out to EVERYONE who keeps using BPD as some excuse of violence. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Dr. Curry was much more unbiased in her language when discussing abusers and victims than Dawn Hughes. Hughes only viewed victims as women and how men are the perpetrators of abuse. Had cross been the same day as direct, Hughes would’ve definitely got caught up more in her “believe all women” standpoint. I think she was advised to tone it down after day one so that she could come off a little more likable on day two but she did a lot of damage on day one and I don’t think she helped Amber’s case. Even if Dr. Curry had skewed her perspective to favor Johnny’s defense, it won’t matter to the jury in the long run. I believe her calm demeanor and likability will sit better with the jury and they will consider her perspective much more than Hughes “diagnosis” due to the fact that Hughes clearly had an “all men bad” perspective and opinion on the stand.
@Lost Your Marbles LoL! Very good point, Mr. Musk can afford it. Someone said her child may be his! Who knows, probably publicity but my goodness, God help the child, no matter what!
I am not a clinical psychologist. I am a psychologist in neuroscience field. I do teach abnormal psych and clinical and counseling. I can't give a professional opinion of Amber Heard's diagnosis. However, examining the symptoms, behaviors, testimony, and hearing descriptions of the situation it did look like those patterns of behavior were consistent with other folks diagnosed as having BPD. Histrionic PD is listed in DSM-IV-TR, while borderline PD is in both DSM IV and DSM 5. DSM 5 allows ypu to use either DSM to make a diagnosis. Nice to hear the symptoms described are consistent with a diagnosis from a clinician. MMPI is an excellent tool to capture various forms of psychopathology. I think Dr. Curry'S description seemed well described and she approached it from a conscientious point of view which I appreciated. Psychopathology is real and deserves to be treated with same respect as physical ailments.
Dr Grande, I don’t need the MMPI2 to think that Amber Heard is a borderline with histrionic traits. Just listening to the tapes that SHE recorded demonstrated how she refused to let Johnny leave or get away from her, along with her A+ drama queen act by throwing everything she could get her hands on at his head! Actress or not, this woman needs a lot of help in order to live in the real world. I alternated feeling sorry for her and watching in jaw dropping amazement at her idea of married life! I sincerely hope someone can help her. This can’t be much of a life.
So glad someone else felt bad for her at some points during that testimony. Someone got mad at me for saying this! Sometimes it was hard to watch though
Something i found interesting about dr curry's testimony is that she mentioned that it is possible for bpd to exist without some form of childhood trauma, i disagree with this and agree with those in the field of psychology that state that it is inseparable from trauma, it is precisely a result or reaction to the trauma, it is absolutely impossible for someone to have zero childhood trauma yet have bpd, bpd is a response to childhood trauma, m just because in assessing a bpd patient that they dont disclose any incident of trauma does not kean it hasn't happened, id say that the reason we have statistics showing that many bpd patients haven't suffered childhood trauma is because of various reasons such as a lack of reporting, not remembering, not considering it trauma minimisation etc which is common with trauma victims, not experiencing obvious trauma but emotional only, etc etc, this all much better accounts for all this rather than the idea that there is a biological basis for bpd which is totally ridiculous and almost childishly simplistic, obviously there is a biological component but only because trauma itself alters and Changes biology, it changes the way the brain functions, its so incompetent that those studying the brain look at differences between bpd and non bpd people and notice a difference yet attribute this to inherent causes rather than realising that its because a troubled stressful upbringing will rewire the brain causing it to actually be different, instead they come up with chemical imbalance theories and so forth like they did when attempting to explain depression, its not true, nurture is the main cause and reason for these things not nature
My GF has bpd, but she is far from this lier, manipulative, evil person that most of those analysis out there try to portray... She does have mood swings, and bad days, specially around her period when her hormones go wild, but she takes it more on herself, which is my biggest concern... It really is good to examine these cases person by person, and tell that not everyone is going to have all the caracteristics of these mental illnesses, also telling that psichology is a human science, not an exact one, and as such it is full of flaws, like Dr. Grande made clear. Still, all my toughts to Depp, who did go trough a lot because of her, may them both find peace... hope she seeks treatmeant.
Not to be a dick, save yourself while u can. I know of two people who have been with someone with confirmed dx BPD. Both had terrible experiences that were hard to get out of.
As someone who was misdiagnosed with BPD and later correctly diagnosed with ASD, I am always suspicious when doctors say those with BPD are socially sophisticated. I don't think manipulating others, misreading normal cues as being personal attacks, etc should count as "social sophistication." One thing in the trial that stood out to me was how Amber insisted on taking off Depp's boots and pouring him a glass of wine at the end of his day. And one day, he saw she was busy with something and took off his boots himself. Amber became extremely upset about this and Depp stated she was upset because he had disturbed her routine. Now that reads very autistic to me. Of course I can't know, but that reminds me of myself years ago before I understood why I was affected by having my routine changed. I think the symptoms of BPD and HPD are real and definitely related to things like trauma, CPTSD, and NPD, but I think BPD, as research has shown, had proven to overlap with ASD. Worth looking into further and being critical of.
Amber was pissed about the shoes because Amber wanted to show him that she was doing something nice for him and so when he takes his own shoes off, she gets pissed because in her eyes he just ruined a chance for her to show kindness. That's how people with BPD think. Has nothing to do with a disruption in routine. I also have autism spectrum disorder and dated a girl with BPD. she once offered me a Sandwich and I told her no thanks cause I was full after eating the pizza from earlier. She got full blown pissed at me for that. The reason BPD can sometimes look like ASD in females is because BPD have very low levels of cognitive empathy therefor have a harder time recognizing why someone else is feeling a certain way. But their social skills when they are in a leveled mood are no different than a normal persons and they are usually very extraverted and assertive. people with ASD are completely different.
@@vice2versa I agree they are very different, but I think that example is interesting because the boots thing seems like something I could've easily done as an autistic person and it would've been read as manipulative. So I'm interested in how certain autistic behaviors may look like BPD traits and therefore lead to an incorrect diagnosis.
I look forward to hearing Dr. Grande's assessment about the testimony given today by the psychologist hired by the defense. She was so clearly pandering to the jury with her responses directed only to them and her use of inflammatory and gender-biased stereotypes of IPV. She even tried to justify it on a few occasions with comments acknowledging Amber's physical and emotional abuse towards Johnny by saying that Amber regrets she committed those acts but her level of violence wasn't as bad as his? Seriously? A mental health "professional" such as herself is trying to garner the jury's sympathy by ranking which partner was "less abusive" and therefore should not be held accountable for the assaults she committed against her husband? In Amber's own words, she mocked Johnny by saying that no one would believe a white man could be a victim of domestic abuse. I hope Dr. Hughes's testimony gets totally exposed for the biased and absurd nonsense it is during cross examination tomorrow.
Totally agree! And AH screams BPD, and that does not exclude PTSD, it's often a commorbidity. They are on different axes, I don't see any reason for which Dr Grande would not also look for at at least accentuated persoanlity traits, if not a personality disorder per se. She just dismissed them as "well, if they qualify as PTSD symptoms, why look for any other diagnosis". I would have also loved to see some projective tests done on her, but I guess those are not "evidence based" and "extensively" researched and calibrated.
@@marilenapopa384 Agreed! BPD all the way. Did you watch AH's testimony today? Acting naive and innocent and trying to garner sympathy from the jury by pretending to cry at all the appropriate moments. So funny how she could cry on cue and then be totally calm and collected when her attorney asked the next question. There were no tears in her eyes when she was "crying" and I didn't see her use a tissue even once to wipe her eyes or nose! I haven't seen AH's movies, but from this performance I'd have to say she's a pretty bad actress.
Having been married to a man diagnosed with BPD - with psychotic features - along with drug addiction and Vietnam acquired PTSD, which was later ruled out when it was determined that the ex had never been in a combat situation and was postal clerk in Vietnam well away from any conflict.... it was easy for me to agree with Dr. Curry. I agreed with her before I heard her testimony, based on listening to Amber during arguments. Of course a male version of Amber didn't do all the crying, groveling and trying to seduce things back to her way - the other person leaving, or desiring to take a time out. The violence and rage I experienced was far greater than what Mr. Depp experienced, but we also had a longer term relationship. I stopped trying to play fair, like Johnny was doing by saying we need to take a break, take a time out, separate for a bit to cool things down. This was a strategy we both agreed to through counseling and therapy. It did not ever work. Ever. So I would listen to the tirade, keep myself and children as safe as possible, wait for him to pass out or get in the shower and leave. I kept clothing and important documents in the trunk of my car just for this purpose. Since they were in counseling, I'd have to guess this was suggested to them to do as well. It is quite believable to me that Amber has some kind of personality disorder.
Had a similar marriage, thank God recognised it early and left after four years of hell. It led to his own demise and because of this, he passed away. God rest his soul. Amen.
Thanks for his service in whatever capacity during war time. PTSD could be there even if he watched others be hurt or be traumatized. Just saying. I dont like to see any veterans service in any capacity minimized.
Sadly, although people with BPD can improve with dialectical therapy or CBT, they can’t if they don’t admit they have an addiction to anger, to control, to victimhood; these are all maladaptive coping strategies which CAN be changed. BPD isn’t a life sentence like bi-polar (unless there individual is deeply entrenched like Amber obviously is), and it is frustrating that many therapists don’t want to touch it, because it can be worked through, like any addiction.
@@loristoneking4536 we are a military family, on my side. All the way back to the civil war. He served 11 months. Went awol, went to the stockade in Ft. Carson Through our counseling process, headmitted he was exaggerating. Trying to get VA benefits he was not entitled to, and to upgrade his dishonorable discharge. It was upgraded to undesirable. He was full of shit, targeted me because my heart for the military. He played us all. Just sayin'
This only makes me realize how terrible Amber's lawyers are. They should have done a better job cross-examining Dr Curry. Her diagnosis indeed seemed "too perfect" like Dr Grange said.
Doctor Curry spent about 18 hours or more assessing Heard. I think she would know. I trust her assessment. Also,just because there are newer case studies doesn't mean that the older ones aren't valid or better than the new one,or else no one would be reading Freud or Jung anymore.
@@tiffanyl4829 He did an experiment where he found that mostly only girls steal the pencils from their classrooms. He said this is because it is a phallic symbol & girls are envious of it.
After listening to how BPD and HPD presents I can’t help thinking that 98% of people in the media, and probably 99% of politicians, have these disorders.
From what we have seen and heard from AH, Dr. Curry's assessment seems to be correct. Note that in her 2016 deposition, AH showed no signs of PTSD when talking about the same events. She appeared snarky, spoiled, and aggressive. While it is no proof of deception, her vastly different demeanour in 2022, should at the very least raise suspicion.
Wouldn’t it be great that in 2024 Amber Heard can write “ 2 years ago i became the face of BPD” and that she becomes an advocate for people who suffer from this disorder and than donates the 7 million to a DPD treatment centre?
There was one recording about JD wanting to leave AH for two hours and she was screaming at him not to leave her while being very aggressive towards JD. It was very, very distressing and frustrating just to listen to it. That clearly showed the borderline’s fear of abandonment.
Agree. That recording was chilling.
It’s sometimes difficult to let go. Maybe she still loved him, even though he’s an alcoholic & derelict drug addict. (A publicly praised one, but still.)
@@PardusPanthera100 it wasn’t about them splitting up. It was about him having just two hours of time to himself away from her. It was very distressing and he couldn’t get her to let him leave for two hours as she was hysterical about being by herself.
And their complete lack of concern for other people.
@@PardusPanthera100 ite just love hate classic BPD
Dr. Curry specializes in forensic (legal) psychology. She explained that this is why she used the MMPI1 instead of 2 - it's better studied. Individual therapists may want to use the newer test for helping a client, but the goal here is to help a jury understand and trust the diagnosis, so the most verified test is preferable. Secondly, Dr. Curry is no doubt aware of the controversies & "iffyness" about these diagnoses as you, but she MUST use the terms currently standardized in the DSM as applied in the most studied tests bc this is a court of law. Of COURSE if your goal is helping a client you can focus on the fuzziness of the definitions. You should also, as she pointed out, take your client at their word. A forensic psychologists goal is to look at the client more critically. She did in fact spend two very long days with Ms. Heard as well as reviewing everything - FAR FAR more info than most therapists ever get about a client! And she matched that info with the most accurate terms currently usable in court. What she said on the stand was a clarification of those terms to the jury. I'm sorry, but this video seemed to simply misunderstand the testimony and its context.
Well said, thank you
She used 2.
She said she used the MMPI-2 not 1 or 3.
I agree!! I'd believe Dr. Curry over this guy as a psyc student myself, I'm surprised he didn't mention the difference between her stance as a forensic psychologist and AH's therapists who obviously would believe her. Not to mention Dr.Curry actually worked with AH herself, this guy seems terribly biased in all his videos about this case.
She used 2nd not 3rd
Thank you for not vilifying people with BPD. Getting the diagnosis has made me more self aware and I try to avoid situations where I know I can't handle myself well. Childhood trauma brought this on and to be honest I so glad I can put a label on it and work on myself. Great and fair analysis as always Dr, G.
I’m in the same boat. Good for you!
Just as a mature and respectful person with no dog in this fight - the evidence in Amber's own words of her downplaying hitting another person as not punching - is indicative that she is several cards shy of a full deck.
Yes! That was crazy… kept rationalizing and justifying why she hits him. If you stop leaving when I’m berating you, then I won’t hit you. 😨
The highlight for me was AH in recording saying go on then tell the world that you JD are a victim of DV, as if anyones gon believe you. Thats what gave her full confidence that anything she said would be believed whether true or not.
Honestly this made me chuckle 😂😂 she really is.
Aren't you discounting the effects of living with an addict? What lengths do you think people who live with addicts go to stop their loved ones using. They don't just hand them the car keys and say have it. People barricade doors and tell them not to leave. Depp has lost half a billion dollars - yes billion - due to his addiction and the impact that abuse played on his lack of attention to running his business portfolio.
Based on those audio tapes, it doesn’t sound like she was interested in helping him become better. Her preventing him from leaving was because she’s insecure and controlling.
I grew up with a mother who’s behavior was exactly like Ambers’ and I can tell you, at the age of 17, I had to escape my home because it’s extremely difficult to live with these kind of people.
Perhaps a better way of viewing it would be living with your mother, not these people. These people is discriminatory and untrue. BHP is not a one size fits all disorder.
Similarly for myself. I tried to self refer to a childrens hostel at 15 and ran away at 16 and never returned. My young brother tragically killed himself a decade ago and I have become fully estranged from my mother. Her last kick off was in response to me visiting my grandfather who is currently being treated for cancer earlier this year. I have finally self referred myself to therapy to address the PTSD as a result of my childhood abuse and brother's death. My mother has been diagnosed with BPD however I was an adult by the stage. Sending love and happiness to you
@Lynn, same here. To this day my mother tries to record me.
@@elin_ Please quote the portion of the statement where they said "all BPD" were evil. I believe I missed it. If this statement was you projecting and was done as a high emotion response then please acknowledge your error. Thank you.
I left at 17 too 🙁
I liked Dr Currie’s evidence. Her 15 years of assessment and treatment of veterans in particular, gave her a lot of credibility in my eyes.
I agree.
Her background was very impressive.
Very credible.
I would agree except for this trial specifically. She’s clearly biased and why? Amber screwed herself. No need to make things up.
I thought she held back what she REALLY wanted to say. What was interesting was the Gaslighting style of Heard's attorneys towards a mental health professional but they have been pretty brazen so far.
I'm gonna be honest, Dr. Curry appears to specialize in PTSD, so I am going to trust her reading of the matter. Additionally, the lawyer’s attempts to argue bias were pathetic and openly misleading at best (e.g., the whole "you had a date with Johnny but we're not going to reference his whole legal team being there").
PTSD specislists who spew the contents of their sessions Publicly should know that that would only WORSEN PTSD. Their motivation for doing so is clearly QUESTIONABLE. NOT acting in patient’s interests- QUITE the OPPOSITE.
@@aq5121 Are you a bot?
Sounds more like Johnny treated her like a house guest. I’d do the same. Basic hospitality. Everyone who knows him has described him as a super nice guy. Hell, I’m the same way. Anyone who’s been in my home I’ve offered something to eat or drink.
@@MakotoKinoSailorJupiter2020 You can definitely argue the "ethicality" of having an interview for a job that has you "testifying" against the person you're visting at their home (english is not my main language, hopefully that made sense) and you could say that there's a "Why would you do that?" question in there.. but regardless of that, why does that REALLY matter? Can that one thing crumble all her credentials and under oath sayings?
They cut her off but she was talking about her "retainment agreement" and how in there she specifies "I'll testify as a forensic psychologist and thus my findings are bound to the fact finder, not to one side specifically" (paraphrasing).
@@aq5121 She's not her patient. She is merely evaluating her.
I had a friend who is EXACTLY like Amber. The relationship was so distressing and exhausting. Every little thing I did and said was met with skepticism and if I hung out with other friends she would act so cold towards me. She told me she hated me, but loved me at the same time. That I was her "best friend" yet she couldn't stand me. She would text me threatening and belittling messages non stop for hours-sometimes from 6pm-4am until I would respond to her. This was in response to me not wanting to be her friend anymore because I couldn't take the abuse. It was so bizarre and left me feeling so confused and tormented. I feel so much for Johnny. I know exactly what he's feeling being involved with someone like Amber. These people need psychiatric treatment on a daily/weekly basis.
I’m so sorry you experienced someone like that, I can’t imagine! How were you able to break away from her?
@Liz Ward:....& YOU need to go ‘no contact’, & sort yourself out - because the chances are that you will go on attracting malevolent & narcissistic characters who will/must bring you down, & get you to mistrust your own mind...
This might sound unsympathetic - believe me, your real need is to find something inside yourself that you know you really trust, something ‘unshakeable’: this isn’t something that you might do in order to impress others, or gain their approval...you’ve been through so much, hoping for a positive outcome, which doesn’t come....such people are not capable of empathy,
so are beyond help... it’s up to you to seek help with strengthening your boundaries, especially if you’re an empath, as I think perhaps you are; certain people might make it clear that the only person they can turn to for help...is YOU!
‘Hello Co-dependence!’
I won’t say any more, it’s for you to stop seeking ‘honest positives’ from those who seek to undermine everything that you do...honesty & posi-
tivity, will come your way when you learn to recognise them.....❤️
From Brighton 🌈 UK, take care & be well!
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ex-husband said he choked me and other things
'cause he loved me so much he hated me
I'm so glad to read that you said "I HAD a friend...." So glad you're out of that relationship. Good for you!! I had an abusive BF and by the time we broke up about 9 months later, I felt relieved, but it took me years to recover from the abuse.
My son is almost 23 now and from his birth, his mother acted like this and it broke me more times in those 23 years than I can even say. Dealing with her behavior over these years caused me to breakdown so badly, I ended up in jail and have a criminal record. It really really caused me to really believe I was crazy,.
Based on the diagnosis, the witness testimonies, and the recordings of Heard, it seems to be accurate. There’s absolutely NO WAY that her behavior could be considered to be normal. It is not. She would not let Johnny leave, begging him to stay, saying he’s killing her, very dramatic and over the top. She is manipulative, lies, tries to make herself look good, blames everyone else for her behavior, drinks a lot but points the finger at others for doing it, makes up domestic abuse to get more publicity and sympathy, not caring that she was ruining someone’s life. She shows no compassion, no remorse, and no guilt.
I completely agree. She is a terrible person!
Newsflash - Actress is dramatic.
Narcissistic behavior 100%
Why do abusive people enjoy it so much when others feel sorry for them? They seem to really revel in that kind of attention. My mother used to do all sorts of things to make people pity her, even limping when she wasn't hurt. Her whole persona was "poor me".
@@Lydynthmn I think it’s supply, they need external supply because they seem to be running on empty constantly.
All I have to say is, anyone who is capable of pooping in someone's bed is a sick, frightening person.
Passive-aggressive
Yeah I'd have to agree. That alone is enough to see how whack Amber Heard is.
@@teresamessenger5399 I wouldn’t say it was passive in any way
Or REALLY needs to take a shit
She got $8 mio directly in their divorce settlement, he had to pay their entire accumulated debt of $12 mio from while they were married and he had to pay $500,000 in her legal bills. Further he had to gross that up to cover the tax burden. On top of that there was a non-disparaging clause in their agreement. So he was out over $30 mio for a 15 month marriage. Then after all that, she writes this editorial, that was mostly fiction, and violated their non-disparaging clause. She is clearly greedy beyond all measure, vindictive, irrational and well out of touch with reality.
Non-disclosure Agreement, but yeah.
That would make a pretty strong closing statement. Let’s hope the jury is on board…
Mr. White said she asked to have the amount grossed up for taxes, but never said that Johnny actually did that.
@@keithl836 Does the Jury have access to social media? If so, there’s no doubt in my mind that they will side with Johnny.
I know that’s not the way these things are supposed to work, and the Jury is not supposed to be influenced, but with this type of case I believe it is important for the betterment of society.
Listening to everyone else’s opinions especially those who have suffered from a partner that had these disorders and can recognize them in Amber is very good information and is quite telling.
I’ve never hoped for anyone to win a case as bad as Johnny. I’m not saying he’s “innocent” but what Amber did to him is evil beyond measure, and I’m under the belief that it is very likely that any wrong doings on behalf of Johnny were severely influenced by Amber’s evil intentions.
The way she recorded Depp in his kitchen almost made it seem like her plan with this marriage was to intentionally beat Johnny down to nothing so he would divorce her so she could get all of his money… She was supposed to donate it, yet she lied and kept it.
The mental torture that Johnny went through is so sad, especially given that his mother treated him the same way, and I bet that brought up a lot of emotional instability within him.
If this case continues down the same path that it’s been heading than Amber deserves to be locked up for life.
Great points. Why do you write mio for million? Just never saw it that way :)
Dr. Curry has a backbone; she's brave, bold, well armed with all her evidence that was well researched. She was thorough and well spoken and did not hesitate to tell that foolish lawyer, " No, that's not entirely right." When that incompetent lawyer tried to back her in a corner with pathetic accusations, Dr. Curry would have none of it! Yet, she was soft and respectful. She's a good mentor. She handled herself and the muffins well!
She knows her subject and is no fool! I was impressed. Confident, but not arrogant. She should have a show.
As someone in a relationship with a BPD/HPD/MDD/NPD sufferer I can say; you can get backed into such corners that some/even most would interpret your desperate attempts to fight off the constant barrage of hallucinogenic and invasive interactions as "mutually abusive"...
Crazy is crazy; all these terms are pseudo-scientific BULL/SHIT.
Excellent point.
Agree. As the attacked person has ho right to become angy or frustrated after the abuse...It would be treated similar as selfdefence actions but it's quite the opposite unfortunatelly...
They’re both in need of help, but personally I find him worse. A lot more substance abuse. Chaotic lifestyle that is impossible to maintain. ..More of a double personality, thus more hidden re his bad side. Only the very close could see.. Thus, more difficult to define in public. And I think he knows this. And wants to maintain his public image. Thus, the lawsuit. But it’s not looking fantastic when one hears the tapes or text messages. Maybe he should retire. At least take the time to get cleaned up.
@@PardusPanthera100 yea Johnny didn’t punch Amber, he only “hit” her.
When I was a young child (around age 6) I remember staying at my cousin's house whose mother (my aunt) had BPD and HPD. During this visit, she got into a fight with her boyfriend at the time and he stormed out. She was screaming and carrying on and it scared me, but my cousin just kept playing with her dolls because I guess she was used to it. When things quieted down, I went to see my aunt and she was in the bathroom looking in the mirror and SMACKING THE HELL out of her own face with a hairbrush (those big paddle brushes). She saw me in the mirror and didn't care, she just kept smacking herself in the face. I asked what was wrong and she very calmly and sweetly said, "Oh, I'm fine. Go play with Jessica." The following few days were filled with complete and utter chaos as the police came in and she cried and cried about the fight she'd been in with this guy. My parents came and got me and I couldn't really grasp the seriousness of what had gone on. From what understand, the guy initially got in trouble, but my aunt magnanimously bailed him out and dropped the charges. I never saw him again. I never went to stay with her again and instead, my cousin came and stayed with us during the summers.
What a scary experience for you. Thankfully it wasn’t your norm like your poor cousin.
Wow that must have been awful. You must have been in shock and traumatized. I hope your cousin is getting the help she needs. Oh yes she needs professional counselling after being in a family like that.
@@BritInvLvr Unfortunately, she grew up as an only child as her half-siblings were grown when she came along. When we were teenagers we spent a lot of time together, but ended up drifting apart because she had a lot of anger issues. However, she grew into an incredibly stable, healthy adult after getting away and seeking therapy. She has since cut her mother off completely. I really appreciate your kind reply. :)
Good example of sick behaviour and manipulations! Now you know more than some doctors do! Thanks for sharing.
Yikes. I’m sure your cousin was happy to spend summers with you and your family. I hope your aunt got some help.
i like this dude. he could've said he agreed with Dr Curry to please everyone but he didn't, a really informed and interesting argument
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It’s been reported that at least 2 maybe 3 writers from the ACLU actually wrote the article in which AH accused JD of domestic violence. The original write up named JD by name which was removed. This entire saga appears to show malice with intent to destroy and it did destroy a brilliant career. Actually two careers as AH isn’t looking good either. All of this rather shows that the “me too” movement was too one sided to begin with. Women can and do engage in DV and many other offenses. What a mess.
Not sure if it destroyed AH career - she did not have a big career until Johnny used his influence to get her into big budget movies. Agree with ur comment about MeToo. Not just the fact that women can engage in DV, but women who falsely accuse men of being DV abuse and intend on benefiting monetary-wise or fame-wise By being a victim(like AH). There is always ppl that take advantage of laws, movements and anything and everything to further their ambitions.
@@manialagu1158 Yeah, if I remember correctly, Amber's last big-budget role before she met Depp was as the "neighbor in apartment 406" in "Zombieland". lol.
@@manialagu1158 Any career that Amber had previously is now destroyed.
In addition, I’d bet my life that no decent man will want to date her after this either. She destroyed her own life entirely.
Johnny Depp on the other hand will come out of this with immense support and love as you are already seeing.
Isn’t it weird that Johnny Depp was married for 20 years and his ex wife only has good things to say about him? Yet he marries this girl for 1 year and all hell breaks loose, and she ends up with $7.5M dollars that she lied about regarding donating it…
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
It doesn't show a problem with metoo. It shows that shitty people can take advantage of this kind of thing.
There is nothing worse than a person who makes makes false allegations, it makes it a million times harder for REAL victims. The only place AH was a victim of anything other than herself in this whole saga is her own twisted mind.
I think those of us who have suffered at the hands of personality disordered persons are happy to see this abuse legitimized. Yes that would cause us to be biased.
Yes. I do not in anyway want to belittle anyone who has BPD and there are various shades of BPD as Dr. Grande has stated but I suffered at the hands of a family member who had this disorder and I am not trying to blame everything that went wrong in my life on that but it really messed me up and I have had to see many therapists throughout the years to handle the aftermath.
This case is bringing mental health issues to light and with the right therapist and appropriate therapy there is hope for all involved.
I think this case has lots of people triggered and thinking.
Once we see things in hindsight after experiences in dealing with these persons it’s a 20/20 hindsight we never unsee.
Amen
Sadly, BPD is a response to being raised by a Narcissist.
She used the MMPI she did bc it’s the most researched. She was asked why she chose that as opposed to the most recent, actually. She also explained the malingering point.
Exactly. I found it odd that he didn’t mention that the version of the MMPI Dr. Curry used was the most researched and that she had said as much.
@@missmerbella he’s kinda biased tbh, I get a vibe that m he tries to sound as the person that knows better than others. He also kinda said that she doesn’t have a masters but something lower
@@Vigilantea92 She has a PhD..
@@ohdear2275 she has a PsyD according to her website.
@@Vigilantea92 he said she has a PsyD which is different from a PhD. Dr Grande spent a good bit of time explaining the differences between that and a Phd.
I knew what Heard was as soon as I heard Depp say that she would insist he'd go to bed at the same time than her and that she'd go crazy if he didn't, because I lived with a woman who was exactly like that, and I recognized her in all that was said later, the constant drama, violence, attention seeking... Histrionic personality disorder, a nightmare for people who have to live with such creatures. And yes, she was also bipolar and she had an entire bottle of vodka every day. Needless to say it didn't last very long.
@@ONEHUMANFAMILY I love this lol
Not bipolar…BPD - borderline personality disorder.
I question why you'd even move in with such a creature...?
He made mistakes, too. He even missed her birthday to go out with his friends? That’s terrible! And you mention her vodka, but how much did he drink? (And probably before he met her, too.)
@@ONEHUMANFAMILY Bed at the same time is not a bad request. Especially for someone who lacked intimacy & often partied all night. I think her request was okay. Of course not yelling is better.
After having listened to the recording Amber made of her own argument with Depp, she reminded me so much of my own mother and a couple of other people I thought were friends over the years.
Whatever you call THAT, it’s not sustainable to live with it.
Yep! Johnny said it himself, "This isn't Life".
Yes it's soul crushing to live with someone like that. I had to flee to a refuge and it really does still effect me.
@@ONEHUMANFAMILY Thanks. My mother has been gone for over ten years now. There’s no reconciliation with a person with this particular disorder, as the disorder precludes it even if the other person is willing. That’s the hardest part to healing. It’s crazy making, and makes it difficult to trust others as well.
Heard was not insane. She was trying to stop him leaving the house to take ever greater quantities of drugs. He refused to discuss his sobriety. All partners of junkies try to barricade the doors when their loved ones are hell bent on using. After Heard left Depp. Her role fell to security. Two ex-police officers - Arreola and Sanchez - who worked as security for Depp in late 2016 and early 2017 won $25m in the Los Angele Labour Court for having to work in unsafe work conditions. They complained that they found themselves transporting illicit drugs, wiping cocaine off Depp's face, protected him from his own vices and babysat his minor children while Depp was using Class A drugs. They get $25m and Heard is abused when she fails to donate the rest of her divorce settlement as she is left to fight Depp out in courts across the world. Like Heard they said Depp was very nice when sober.
You know, if Heard didn’t do that op Ed, none of this would be happening. Shame on her.
She couldn't help herself, she tried to put a nail in Johnny's coffin, didn't work, now she is paying the price of karma.
To beat all, she came out with a statement before the trial saying that she really didn't want to drag their relationship out into the public eye. 🤦♀️
Yeah exactly she didn’t need to write an article and “metoo” him wrongfully, this is what you get B-CH (AMBER HEARD)
And Depp would’ve been left with knowing the truth while the public speculated
I agree 💯. She had to get her last digs into Johnny because he left her. Her career is over. I hope she doesn’t hurt herself.
I think she delivered an excellent, seamless testimony. I’m in the field and was impressed. There was no ethical pitfall. Proud to be her colleague.
Also she took into account ALL the evidence - which I inferred to mean, thought not expressly stated, those video/audio recordings in which Amber clearly demonstrated behaviors that Dr. Curry used to explain the personality disorders. She was quite impressive - stood her ground and defended her opinions. Dr. Grande would cause doubt, which I don’t think would serve justice especially in this case, which would be a travesty.
@@tbd419 I don't think he's causing doubt, per se. Sounds to me like he's just adding nuance. And while I don't agree with him on every point he's making, I appreciate that he's adding to the discussion so that I can prevent myself from gradually becoming mired in my own biases. I like subtle and reasonable pushback every now and then.
I think it would’ve been helpful if you had gone into what Dr. Curry said about the difference between a treating clinician and someone in her role who is doing more of an analysis for court purposes.
As she correctly pointed out, it would be highly unethical of her as a treating clinician to offer a testimony like this because as a treating clinician she is meant to be an advocate for Amber.
So I think Johnny’s team did a good job of pointing out that there may be differences in Dr Curry’s testimony compared to what previous medical documentation stated, but that is because those notes were written by treating clinicians who took Amber at her word.
Bingo 🎯
yeah i think he's a little on the side of amber heard...there were a few points in the video where I was like "ummm you glossed over a bit..."
You're absolutely right, as a psyc student you are taught to believe your client as your job as a therapist is to provide warm and unconditional care, not try to find out what really happened. All of this guys video is so biased for AH it's unreal lmao
Excellent point!
@@qwertyuiopqwertywert SMH! Maybe just a bit of (another) sucker for a pretty face, perhaps? 🤔
A psyD is a very credible degree, as these doctors see patients in many different types of ailments. They are extremely capable of diagnosing many behaviors.
Why so defensive? Sounds to me that Dr Grande agrees with that.
Is there a behavior called "Wear the pants woman syndrome"? I'm goofing around & know it fits into 1 of Amber's diagnoses.
@@dianelitman5956 not sensitive at all. Just an opinion.
I loved Dr. Curry so much, I intend to take a class from her if she ever offers an affordable one online or close to me (come to University of Hawaii, Dr. Curry, you rock).
@@Onomastique Dr Curry is the "Bombshell Psychologist" & you undoubtedly know that she is based in Newport Beach CA. I live in the area & wish I could have gotten my wife in to see her in 2018.
16:20 "Shallowness is to Hollywood as gasoline is to a car. Except Hollywood has no alternative fuel options." Said with a straight face! So hillarious
Devastating deadpan delivery is what hooked me on this channel.
I think it's can be assumed that the disorders that Miss heard is diagnosed with by Dr Curry a rather prevalent amongst her class in Hollywood
16:33 is the exact time stamp. He is putting her in the context of her environment. A good point.
I believe histrionic comes in handy for acting skills! Turn those moods up and down off and on etc.
The point about the PTSD part and why this psychological assessment was asked for AH and not JD. This is because AH claims to have PTSD in result of JD’s abuse. Dr. Curry’s assessment was that AH had signs of PTSD, but these came from before JD, probably from childhood, since the signs appeared in AH’s records from before her relationship with JD.
Agreed.
Exactly she did mention she had it but stated it didn’t worsen because of JD there was no change stating he wasn’t the cause for her PTSD…
This
Agreed…but what made her do what she did? Her behaviour was akin to psychopathy. Narcissism, lack of remorse, extreme egocentricity, pathological lying, manipulative, impulsivity, lack of empathy, antisocial behaviour (pooing the bed - ✅).
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All of these comments about how good his video is in response to the testimony..... It's clear he didn't even watch the full testimony. He's making points that she clearly addressed in her testimony. Also not considering that she wrote a 20 something page report that clearly isn't going to be fully covered in this testimony. Most importantly not noting that Depp's team hired her to just review case documents and give and opinion. The COURT compelled her to complete a full evaluation to assess PTSD. I used to like this channel and then he got popular and seems to just crank shit out for views and seems narrow minded. Clearly not putting in enough work to get the fullest picture possible based on public info available.
I think this is more of a current events side of his content. I agree though, this is a weeks long trial. There is time to research
You disagree on one thing stop being dramatic and chill out
@@alexarias5717 they arent beind "~~dRAmATic~~🤪" i COMPLETELY agree
fully agree. came to the same conclusion & unsubscribed about 6 months ago.
Thats kinda how I felt with the Astroworld incident video he made. He didn't really do much research on the incident and titled his video as human stampede when it was a crowd crush indicent which is completely different.
This trial has helped me to define, by name, and by behaviors, my mother's illness. She has had BPD and NPD her whole life (denies any disturbance and states her intelligence supercedes therapist's). Just a few days ago, she once again recounted to me an event fabricated from her own imagination. She repaints reality to everyone around her when it's her own poor behaviors or comments that have instigated anger, hurt, and at times, trauma. The difference between my childhood and the present, is that now I have 62 years of experience and choices. Sometimes I simply say, "That's not what happened", or "That's not true". Other times, I say, "I don't want to talk about this anymore." or "I've got to go". My Mom, more than anything, wants an audience, wants admiration, wants people to defer to her "decades of executive experience" (reads resume). She will never change. She has told me that she can lie and no one will ever know it, and has, the maximum damage has been to her children and my Dad. Me, my sisters, and brother had intermittently joyous and yet very unhealthy and disrupted childhoods, which included sporadic beatings and slaps, shaming, and gaslighting, which have carried into our adult lives under the umbrella of denial. Mom can be generous, and she is incredibly smart and creative, achieving a very high position with a Forbes 50 company as a financial planner, made millions of dollars in salary without a college degree, meanwhile "raising" four kids at the same time. You can imagine how formidable she is. As a little kid you don't stand a chance. As a teenager, you may love, but you've learned to hate, in a twisted codependency. Not even my Dad, who was a highly educated chemist and plastics engineer and adopted all four of us kids (sacrificing having any of his own with Mom) was disillusioned, sad, and dissatisfied, right up to the day he died a few years ago from myeloma. Until now, I never sought treatment for my own demons, which is the direct result of being raised by one mentally ill parent; a near carbon copy of Heard, and the other parent, who was quiet, intelligent, and witty, whom everyone loved; a close copy of Depp (minus the alcohol and drugs). I intend to exorcise the monkeys on my back and achieve balance and happiness. Sorry for the diatribe - I know it's boring for most, but I just had an epiphany sitting here in my living room watching this after 10 days of following the trial. I hope other people out here in the cosmos who've experienced life with a disturbed parent also acquire benefits from the behaviors, evidence, and testimony revealed in this case that far exceed its entertainment value for others. Good journey all. Lyn from New York
Hi Lyn! I loved your comment! It was not boring at all, but fascinating. And I always love to hear about insights and epiphanies and growth people make, and how they do it. I am also your age, and grew up in a very dysfunctional household. Quite different, but difficult. What I kind of struggle with currently, and have deep sadness about, is the fact that I have lost my remaining family of origin members (brother, sister, mom) within the past four years. My dad died in 1983. Except for my mom, we've all had substance abuse/addiction issues. I still have my daughter, which I am grateful for. I think I started out here with something wise and insightful to say - haha, I guess the thought got lost. 🤪 But I got your message that something positive can be gained or learned even from negative situatiions. So again, just wanted to express my appreciation for your sharing.
I know where you are coming from. I am well and you will be soon. Keep listening to Dr Grande. He makes good sense.
Her own parents texted apologies to Johnny saying that she made up the domestic abuse because of her lawyer's counsel that she would get nothing in the divorce settlement.
Wow haven’t heard that!
that’s not what i saw - do you have a source for that?
@@kayladenette5872 I will try to find it again. I saw it a few times tonight. One source said that it would have never come out if they hadn't asked for the full cell texts from him. I did hear him say, "I didn't tell anyone about it" and he said that in a conversation with her.
@@godzillamanstreb524 There was a guy who did extensive videos and analysis of the JD v AH saga on TH-cam. This was in the beginning when AH first made the claims of abuse. I followed it quite extensively, and he did show screenshots of this particular message. I do recall reading a message from one of her parents, apologising to JD, saying that AH only took this course of action because her lawyers told her that she was going to lose everything in the divorce settlement. In fact, when she met JD in the hotel (the time she asked him to break the restraining order), she did say something to the same effect to him. She said she didn't want to do 'this', but her lawyers advised to take this path. Of course, she could have been saying this to shirk responsibility for her actions and deeds. Her parents too seemed to blame the lawyers for ill-adviced, leading to this whole mess. I, on the other hand, think she has to take responsibility for her actions!
Nice to hear your comments. I caught this news on my phone the other day, as well. To me it sounds like Amber's mom was acting as Amber's flying monkey, saying that Amber was getting served 30 days eviction notice from her own landlord--this is after the divorce I think, and saying that Amber had to file because the layers pushed her to do that. Her mom is deceased now, but I almost laughed because thats what flying monkeys do.Then she was buttering Johnny up by saying, :I love you, son." They just couldn't handle their tough and mean but cowardly little princess. Lots of parents seem to want to dump their problem adult kids out on society.nds like Ambers family are kind of shady people.
My job involves psychometry so this testimony was especially fun to me. She did a fantastic job explaining the technical aspects of the evaluation process.
It kind of amazes me how the stupid MMPI is still considered some kind of gold standard "valid instrument".
Casey Anthony's MMPI results scored that she was "normal" with only "normal levels of narcissism for her age" (paraphrased).
Shouldn't that tell anyone that the MMPI is a worthless crock of shit?
I agree 100%. I found her to be very clear and well spoken. I loved how she was clarifying the dimensions of the test. It was definitely a learning experience for me just listening from a big fan of psychology.
I’m trying to be open minded with this case, but I just can’t get on board with you. Honestly, based on those voice recordings of Amber and Johnny, it is crystal clear as to who was the abuser in the relationship. Those recordings, in addition to the entire situation going on between the couple, back up Dr. Curry’s analysis of Amber. I respectfully disagree that Dr. Curry was bias in her opinion. She was incredibly professional and had years of experience in the field. She’s not some fan girl crushing on Johnny Depp like Amber’s lawyers would like people to think. They saw an attractive woman speaking on behalf of Johnny Depp and threw all her credentials out the window. That’s cheap and not a good look on their part.
I don't think Dr grande is siding with amber here, I think he just pointing out that the clinical psychiatric assessment isn't necessarily 100% accurate because it never is with anyone, we are too complex...but I don't believe he was offering his opinion on who was in the wrong here.
@@nate2759 you must not know who this man is then. Lmao
@@immortaljellyfishstudio5181 and you do?
@@nate2759 he is not siding with amber, just trying to be as unbiased as possible. jeez. especially in the video about johnny deeps testimony, he shows sympathy for depp
Not to mention sexist! Dr.Curry were not an attractive woman AH's lawyer would have never tried to imply that Dr.Curry met at JD's house for dinner and drinks when she met with JD's team and the only way AH's team knew this occurred is because that is the way things are usually conducted 99.9% of the time.AH's lawyers trial style is to petty and aggressive, in my opinion is only hurting AH case which is weak to begin ..although it is off putting I hope she continues so JD will finally get justice and clear his name in the public eye ...recovering the tarnish on his career due to what I believe are all manufactured lies.
AH in her counterclaim stated that she suffered ptsd as the result of the abuse. Judge asked for her mental evaluation and ptsd diagnosis, so JD team were able to to appoint an expert.
From what I remember, the lawyer asked which item, more than 65, was the most important to you and she said that there was more than one above 65 and she would need to look at her study. Amber’s lawyer didn’t allow her to look at her study. It looks like Amber is clearly not normal.
I dated a guy for three years, and I lived with him for part of that. He started out being very sweet and loving and seemed like it was meant to be at first. It didn’t take long to reveal another side.
He didn’t want me spending time with friends, got very angry and said it was our time. He had ambition and would even talk to an investor and start his own roadside business, but he never paid his bills. He lied to his landlords then lied to me about it too. When I tried to break up with him, he started shaking and crying, telling me that every woman in his life had left him, including his mom when he was only 8. Of course, it worked, and I felt sympathy and didn’t want to be the cause of his hurt.
I once found antipsychotic medicine in the bathroom that I asked about, and that sent him into a rage. He threw them in the trash and said he didn’t need them. He cheated on me, but of course when I found out, I was crazy, just jealous, and he would never do that to me.
Once, when he worked for a company doing deliveries, he told me he had fallen off their porch due to a bad railing, and he fell pretty far and got injured. When I got in his truck, I saw the wound was a straight cut that wouldn’t have happened from a fall, and I found a package of straight razor blades on the floorboard of his truck. I felt like I was in a horror movie, realizing at that moment that he had cut his own face to claim that he was injured at their house. He took them to court over it. He also claimed to have broken his tooth on an olive pit on a Domino’s pizza.
He was always pushing for us to get married, but I refused, which angered him tremendously. I found out that he’d been married 6 times by that time from his brother who informed me of a lot of things.
He would get this look on his face, and I knew he had to have an argument with me, but I’m the type to avoid all confrontation, so I wanted away. I’d try to leave, and he would take my keys and sit in front of the only door so I couldn’t. I’d go to another room to get away, and he’d follow me, trying to push my buttons to get a fight started. I felt like a caged animal.
He once backed me against the kitchen counter, towering over me, in my face, yelling at me, getting spit on me. I had to grab him by the throat to get away. I felt like I was always getting so worked up by him that I wasn’t myself anymore. He yelled at me in public, humiliating me. Another time, we were sitting next to each other, having an argument, and as I went to take a drink of water from my bottle, he so forcefully grabbed it that it busted my lip and got water everywhere. I used to see other couples and try not to cry because I just wanted a loving relationship, and I definitely didn’t have it.
I ended up getting an apartment, unbeknownst to him, and I slowly moved my stuff out while he was gone. When he went out of town for the weekend I had family help me move my big furniture out and into my new apartment. It felt like such a relief to finally be free from all of that.
It sounds horrible what you went through, I'm glad you are free of this hell! I had a co-worker in a similar position, but she never saw it, but we did. Every time we tried to make her see sense of her reality, she would always get defensive and downplay the whole thing. Extremely sad to see people who choose to live this reality.
You’re not fooling anyone
@@immers2410 ???????
@@immers2410 neither are you
@@immers2410 Get a grip.
Well, your credibility as a psychologist just took a header. Are you watching the same trial we are? She fits all the criteria pretty clearly once you review her actions and her recordings. Though I will agree, narcissistic disorder is in there. I also don't think she held the test up to be the end all be all of diagnostic tools. They asked if she had confidence in it and she does. Thats a direct answer to a direct question. There's never any reason to get into more detail than that unless its obvious the lawyer is trying to imply something inaccurate by asking the question... such as the damn muffins.
His lawyers are on the ball and they chose an excellent psychologist. I can't tell if Heards lawyers are seriously terrible or if they're struggling so bad because they literally got nothing to work with and they know she's guilty af. I guess its not impossible to be both.
He’s not a freaking psychologist!! He has a degree in Social Work!
@@CarolineWolterHall whatever. His analysis sucks
@@CarolineWolterHall Wow. No wonder some of this guys takes on subject felt incredibly wrong.
Yes, I agree with your assessment on his "professional opinion". I guess this is a perfect example of bias.
@@jakobsylvester7449 I’m unsure, since my daughter has the exact same career, and I’m not impressed with her either. It’s a Masters or in Grande’s case a PhD, as a _Clinical Therapist in Social Work._
That kind of person will be shredded in court, as I’ve personally witnessed,
He’s not a doctor as in being a physician, but has the right to use the nominal character Dr. because of his PhD.
I actually telephoned Amber’s lawyer yesterday and left a message to check this video out. I suggested to rebut with at least least one psychologist and 2 psychiatrists of their own.
Her testimony is so completely easy to refute _if_ these lawyers have any any intelligence at all.
I'm on Johnny's side, but it saddens me that there are so much prejudices, misinformation and stigma about bpd... Not all of them are evil like Amber.
Totally agree
"Not all".... but more than enough to warrant not trusting any. If people with BPD feel they get a bad rap, you have only other people with BPD to blame. Its not "stigma", or prejudice, its cold, hard, experience. Overwhelming amounts of diagnostic history and experience. Having depression is stigmatized. Not BPD. That diagnosis is a warning label. It doesn't mean the Person is "evil"... it means their Behavior can't be trusted.
@@yuriination but putting people with the same diagnoses in the same box isn't good. Even if you have had bad experience with someone you know who has bpd. Many people with bpd direct their frustration towards themselves and not other people.
@@elin_ "not all men" are toxic or violent, either... but enough are that it warrants women taking serious precautions.
@@yuriination I'm sorry, this is just not true. People with depression are not stigmatised more than BPD. People with BPD do not need to come with a "warning label" and that is an incredibly judgemental statement. People without BPD can also be abusive, if you would like to be cautious about everyone then that is fine, but to judge an entire group of people who are unwell is just prejudice. Kindly- a Clinical Psychologist
I spent five years of my life and $26,000 in student loans which in today's dollars is $67,000 on my Masters and Doctorate degrees in the field of Education. Dr. Curry's getting a practitioners degree is as challenging as a Ph.D and both require exhaustive dissertation work. That said Dr Curry on her bio noted receiving a Master of Science in Clinical Psychopharmacology (MSCP) which makes her eligible for prescriptive authority in military jurisdictions. She has been trained in PTSD through Veteran's Affairs. Clearly, in my layman opinion, she is saying all things considered Amber Heard is not being forthcoming in her portrayal of her issues. I think Dr. Curry has the standing to do so. And remember this--a lot of independent parties like the police, the man who works at the building of Johnny's penthouse and others never saw any bruises of Amber's. Plus, no other woman came forward saying Johnny abused them. Bottom line: Dr. Curry's opinion is not an outlier.
Nah. The points Dr. Grande made are real. It’s pretty implausible to think you could rule out PTSD with any level of certainty. For someone in the mental health profession to talk about anyone with mental illness the way she did didn’t really seem right. You just can’t assume you can know or diagnose a person with such certainty.
I could not agree more with you. It's the whole picture. Plus a research based PhD is not better in the PRACTICAL field. I am 44 years old now and I started to believe that many people prefer the ivory tower and look down on people who have practically been there longer and more experience. I was a research assistant in the ivory tower, that's why I can tell. It's not fair.
@@tnijoo5109 when we diagnose, we do exactly that, ruling out certain illnesses. Have you been trained in diagnosis? I have. 600 cases where our teachers supervise you and ask you why it's this and not that. You start with a "Verdachtsdiagnose" and then after hours of exploring further, you come to a conclusion. Why do we do this? Because it's important to us which treatment we will choose. Hence, yes, we do rule out certain things "and lying and manipulative behavior is "expected" in cluster B disorders",that's a quote from my professor by the way..
@@katja6332 no. I’ve never been trained to diagnose anyone. I see your points. I guess it’s just that you diagnose as best you can but it’s not like you assume you’ve got it 100% right. You know how complex people are and that it would be hard to rule out something like PTSD that can look so different in different people depending on what they’re already working with. That’s all I mean. And I just couldn’t get over Dr. Curry’s lack if compassion. It seems like seeing her testimony would deter people from ever seeking mental help. It was gross to me.
@@tnijoo5109 It´s a defamation trial. If someones lies and manipulates a lot about something, I believe it´s okay to not feel too much compassion with the person who manipulates and got cought red handed during a very extended psychological evaluation. She´s a trained forensic psychologist, which means she is trained to assess behavioural, emotional and psychological problems and disorders and mental health status for COURT. Her role in court is completely different than being in her role as a clinical psychologist in private seesions with a client. Don´t confuse the role she has in court. Her job is to interact with attourneys and apply a thorough psychological assessment of the person in question. which she did, including all the prior diagnoses of former therapists of AH videos , audios , several tests and follow up interviews.
What Jonny is doing is exposing the world to the legacy of abuse. He is actually exposing everyone to what the victims of domestic abuse live with and lose. Amber's mental state is not an excuse for what she has done if the court finds she lied. I thank Jonny for his courage.
So do I
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the day after Dr. Curry's testimony, AH's hair was styled similarly, contained on one side, hanging down on the other, though it was hard to see since we could only see one side of AH's heard on the courtroom feed most of the time. Copying? Everyone noticed how AH seemed to copy JD's outfits.
Absolutely and she was wearing glasses. Amber was mirroring the doctor
So you think Amber does her own hair?
Ive never seem so much stupidity. Amber has been styling her hair differently every day.
The psychologist hair just looked like she had just woke up and went to court. The psychologist was also Wearing the glasses to look more 'professional' since she looks like Amber Heard herself.
It's more surprising that johnny hired and expert who looks like his ex wife.
People should relax with the stupidity already and that she's copying. What they use in court is usually decided by someone else and this time Amber always has her hair styled.
She used the black blouse with black cardigan at the UKs trial. She's sticking with a suit or a typical blouse+blazer and neutral colors.
@@redleeks6253 seriously, she looks absolutely nothing like amber. Anyone would know that amber would tell her stylish want she wants to look like. I think that you are stretching for some normality about amber. Nope who shits in their husband's side of the bed. She is crazy absolutely vulgar woman
@@ek7390 No. It looked altogether too smooth all over on other days and I think it would be soothing to have someone do it for her for court appearances. The day she seemed to mimick Dr. Curry, that was kind of messy and one-sided--I could believe she pulled that one off herself.
Also, many experts have met with lawyers at homes, restaurants and other settings outside of their office.
As a practicing therapist I appreciate your perspective that bias exists and objectivity can be elusive in helping people. Assessments are even more challenging and I’m glad you dispelled the myth that they represent exactness. We do the best we can in understanding people. Perhaps that is both the challenge that holds our interest and the inevitable blind spots that exist for all humans. Thanx as always for a great analysis of this case.
I am glad to hear that you do your best but how do you assume the integrity of all other therapists?
@@DR-nh6oo As in any profession there is a variance in levels of integrity. I can only be responsible for my own and any consumer who believes their provider hasn’t met their obligation should contact the appropriate licensing board.
Most of you do a reasonable job, despite psychology being a pseudo-science.
@@melvynobrien6193 - It is not a pseudo-Science. Psychology is a science because it takes the scientific approach to understanding human behaviour. Pseudoscience refers to beliefs and activities that are claimed to be scientific but lack one or more of the three features of science. Psychology is based on well-established, repeating patterns and regularities in nature. It uses careful observation and experimentation to confirm or reject a hypothesis. Evidence against theories and laws are searched for and studied closely.
@@melvynobrien6193 Troll alert.
I told my wife Friday that the recording of how Amber argued was how my ex fought with me. She is clinically diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder. This was before this testimony.
After being around one person with this condition you recognize it in anyone you meet who may have it on your journey in life.
I think a lot of people are realizing they may be in or have been in an abusive relationship, and not just assuming that they were "mutually abusive ".
I totally agree, I heard the the hour long recording of her and Johnny before this testimony came down and I told people that recording gave me flashbacks, my ex was diagnosed with BPD by a therapist, I was with her for 5 very long years she especially did not want me to leave during arguments she felt I was abandoning her. she never got violent but it was the most abusive relationship I was ever in.
@@lhelton39 she damaged my car rental on purpose right after we got into a fight and right after I decided I didn't need the extra insurance.
@@robertsaladino that doesn’t surprise me at all, I was engaged with mine but would never get married to her. I told her she needed to stop all the nonsense if she ever wanted to get married. Thank god I never did. I dodged a bullet for sure.
So interesting. I have watched every minute of this trial so far, and as someone on the outside looking in, it strikes me that Amber Heard fits ALL the testimony by "experts". I believe her diagnosis is complex, but I have a hard time buying that treatment would be so complicated that it cannot even be begun. She needs help if she wants to have even the slightest chance of healthy wellness and fulfillment in life.
But a BPD/histrionic patient MUST want to sincerely work on themselves. That insight is often vacant in these unfortunate, destructive people.
And she needs to get help cuz now she has a young child she’s raising. And that is really concerning. I’m convinced my mother had bpd and it takes a lifetime to get straightened out after being brought up by someone with those issues
I understand the points you are making. But I found Dr. Curry to be spot on. Amber is not all that unique in her behavior. Her circumstances may be different than the average young woman but her behavior is a very common set of responses to a specific set of needs. She has a need to control, a need to be loved (which we all have) but her need is to be loved "exclusively" in every way...romantic, platonic, famial. She needs to come before all others. This I believe is very pertinent to Dr. Curry's assessment. She needs to be everything to her romantic partner. Age is another factor...what generally is important to a 58 yo differs from a 30 yo. There is so much to unpack here. Dr. Curry didn't have the luxury of time. She relied on notes taken from others, her own expert opinion and in this case, the tests administered were benchmarks in the absence of time to get to observe her...although it wouldn't take very long to see through her. This is not to say that Mr. Depp has his own set of disorders. However, the task at hand is to determine who was "abused". It appears tgey both were verbally abusive, but I'm willing to go as far as saying...she was physically violent on another person. He took out his frustrations on inanimate objects. Substance abuse played a role in both their unsavory behaviors.
Even hearing Heard's testimony on the stand Wednesday and Thursday... I found it very hard to listen to. I'll leave the blatant overacting and lying aside (that's a whole 'nother discussion) for a moment. I tried to look at what was behind that, what I saw in the in-between, I tried to abstract from the actual content of what she was saying. And what I noticed was that whenever she was describing physical assaults (which are, btw, completely unreconcilable with the evidence she offered), she goes on at length about worrying about whether the bruises would be visible, worrying whether she'd be able to cover it all, worrying what people might see, some of the most 'painful' moments for her seemed to be moments of indignation and embarrassment.
All of these come across to me as being very much focused on image, on how she's perceived by others. But very little was described about any pain she felt - also a red flag... someone who has been assaulted to that extent would remember *some* pain at least, right?
She also keeps looking at the jury like she's checking whether she's convincing them, trying to almost laser her messages into their eyes, staring them down as if to dare them to disbelieve her. Aside from the fact that I highly doubt someone who has been assaulted as much and as violently as she described would have the flat-out courage to stare a (predominantly male) jury straight in the eyes for 10+ hours straight, it also signaled to me even more concern about how she was perceived.
Another thing is that she doesn't seem able to accept any kind of responsibility for her actions whatsoever. She keeps portraying herself as the immaculate perfection of purity, the poor victim who has done nothing wrong. If I remember correctly, Depp didn't try to absolve himself from all the blame, and he admitted to some stuff that made him look bad. Of course it's difficult for everyone, but he did it. He didn't try to manage his image to perfection, like Heard seems to be doing. The one instance she describes hitting him, she says it was in defence of her sister who was allegedly almost pushed down the stairs by Depp, almost as if she's trying to offload at least part of the blame onto her sister. I don't know, it just stuck out to me that the only time she admits to hitting him is in a situation where a third party is involved. I imagine she might view it as more heroic or admirable to throw a punch to save a sister than to defend yourself.
And just to be clear, I don't think Heard is evil. I don't even think 'evil' is that much of a concept at all. In fact, I think 'evil' is a word people use to reject responsibility for caring for another human being simply because of their actions. I do think she's actively doing things to hurt and damage Depp, for sure. No one with a clear conscience would go on the witness stand so blatantly over-embellishing lies of horridly violent abuse which obviously can't (fully) be true considering the available evidence. That much is clear. She clearly doesn't have any qualms about wrecking Depp in this case. However, I also don't think she has the same moral perceptions of good and bad as we do. In my experience with people with Cluster B personality disorders, they view it as something good to do whatever it takes to save yourself and save your image/resources/safety/whatever. They don't see it as something morally wrong. And I simply don't think she does either. I think she's just doing this to save herself. She doesn't need to be demonized or vilified or nailed to a cross, she needs help, therapy, and treatment. She's still a human being. And while she's doing things that are - at least to us - very much objectionable, she's still a fellow human being. Her actions are wrong, but the person is still a person.
@@MerelvandenHurk Wow, I appreciate your comment! Very well thought through and explained. I never considered that she might not apply the same system of "right vs wrong" that most of us understand, to herself. But when it comes to the subject of "evil", which I think does exist, maybe more in the realm of philosophy or spirituality rather than psychology, I do see her behavior cross into the realm of evil. For what it's worth. Which is not to say that she is not primarily a sick person who needs help/treatment. But, you know, you can lead a horse to water but can't make it drink ...
@@MerelvandenHurk I think you're spot on. I've been in a romantic relationship with such a woman. It didn't go as far, nor as bad as what is displayed on this trial. Nonetheless, the verbal and emotional abuse hurt me very, very much. Your comment struck me, because, regarding my ex being "guilty" or not, I just can't figure out an answer by myself. Yes, she needed treatment. Yes, she was in pain and not happy. No, she didn't do it "on purpose", although at moments she was acutely aware of her behavior, it was her condition. And she was under medication and followed by both a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Yes, she needed help, and care and compassion. That's also one of the reasons why I didn't flee right when the abuse begun (who leaves a loved one when in desperate need for help ?). Anyway... Yes, she wasn't "evil", like you said. But... was she not ? I had a severe depression which whom I'm still struggling with two years after the relationship is over. My psychological pain and distress was real (still is, but much milder now). I kind of... need to see her as a very, very nasty and vile person. But can't... I loved her so much.
Just one note here - Dr Curry mentioned review of AH’s therapy and MH notes. I believe AH was already dx with BPD, hence JD’s attorneys anticipating what she may find. IMO, AH’s lawyer tried to discredit Dr Curry with nonsense, making her look all the more credible. Additionally, I worked as a MH social worker for over a decade. I worked with many clients who had a Dx of BPD without a Dx of PTSD. Here, it was noted that AH also had a history of depression and anxiety, and some post traumatic symptoms.
Thanks for pointing that out. I honestly thought it was gross to try to dIscredit someone with her experience and education by implying she went on a date with depp. I don’t think a man would have had that weird undertone.
And that ADHD meds worked for her.
@@emma2370 completely agree
That would make sense why the lawyer kept bringing up that Johnny called her borderline years ago.
@@lilij1915 like I said - it’s my belief. But we know that Dr Curry had access to prior MH documentation, bc she discussed reading a note about Amber slapping her friend Rocky, and the therapeutic techniques she was working on to deal with her flashes of anger like she had in that situation.
The funny thing is all of ambers recordings and “evidence” completely backfired on her and made her look extremely evil and narcissistic 🤦🏾♂️
I thought this psychologist was a hired gun, whose purpose was to discredit Amber. I'm sure Johnny with his millions and fame hired her to do just that.
I have taken the MMPI and it was extremely helpful in understanding many things about myself and how I react and deal with things. I didn't come out to have the very serious problems Amber had but rather made me aware that my thoughts that I was handling my traumas well ànd it was my 3 brothers that were the only ones that suffered only. He helped me understand how I am highly protectove of my loved ones. That I am effected that they wrre terminally ill and I was not, so I refused to accept how it did have a great effect on me and my reactions and more. I learned my weaknesses was my loved ones. Though I perceived myself as fine and even handed with all. But he showed how it is my Achilles heel. He taught me to work on this. The MMPI is a very important tool at getting to the truth.
“Shallowness is to Hollywood as gasoline is to a car, except that Hollywood doesn’t have any alternative fuel options” - pure gold!
Dr. Grande's observation's as per usual are spot on. Also, his last words .......be careful when a relationship starts out as magical as "Alice In Wonderland because (without taking the time to get to know each other) it can end up as a "Nightmare on Elm Street". Acerbic and to the point!!! No one says it like Dr. Grande.
Yep, Depp had a very small part in the first Nightmare movie. I think he was the first kid killed, but I can't remember for sure.
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So true, so true!
@@lconfig2117 Did he? Now I'll have to watch it again.. lol I'm not much of a Depp fan and had no idea who she was until this.. The DA drew me in the first time around. Those of us raised by BPDs know them when we see them. Just my humble opinion.
So, we’re to ignore that fact that she was married to a junky (Depp), someone emotionally unavailable, who made himself physcially unavailable by walking away (abandoning), someone with a history of anger and verbal and physical aggression which often expressed itself violently? His entire team are paid stooges who he flew around the world, put up either in his own home or paid for theirs. They dined with him, drank with him, traveled with him (including his MD and the pscychologist who has zero experience or credentials to act as a forensic expert at a trial). Depp is your run-of-the-mill narcissist who has pushed this woman to the brink, a woman who truly loved him. How can yo ignore the facts? When are we going to stop calling emotional women crazy? Every time she takes a stand for herself it’s being used against her. This whole thing is a farce. She never stood a chance with this manipulative, controlling addict 22 years her senior.
And are we really supposed to feel sorry for this man who spent approximately 2 million dollars a month until his 650 million dollar net worth dwindled to ‘only’ 150 million dollars? Are we really supposed to believe that this full grown man, 22 years older than this young girl was incapable of taking care of himself? This is a man with years of bad behavior, a man who has acknowledged his drug use, alcohol abuse, temper, and anger, jealousy and control issues (as he’s voiced on several tapes demanding that his wife not make movies, and not fraternize with the crew and fellow actors etc.). He often accuses her of what he’s guilty of - that is he has used her, he does not love her, he abuses her. We’re asked to look at her screaming at him but that’s the ‘end’ of the story, the result of his behavior. The beginning of the story starts with this severely morally compromised man with significant drug abuse and addiction issues, who is not ‘present’ enough to connect and engage. In psychology there is a term called ‘crazy making’ behavior. We are seeing Amber’s response to Johnny Depp’s behavior. If he’s a victim here, it’s only a victim to himself and his monsters.
The tapes of Amber demonstrate a woman who loves a man who won’t give her the time of day, and abandons her and the relationship at the first sight of being held accountable. So what if she finally pushes back and sticks up for herself, its a difficult thing to do, especially in such an uneven power structure (age, status, gender). She is consistently under scrutiny, but he’s not. Why? Because he’s a movie star, or cute, or just a man? Amber can do no right in the media’s eye. She is being scrutinized for either being too emotional or not emotional enough. It’s not just men, women pick apart women and throw them under the bus at first blush. Women are dissected and crucified when they come forward like this, it’s not worth the bloodbath, which is why most don’t (even rape victims). She should be supported, and she should be believed. Her failing to press charges isn’t proof of a false report, it’s the most common behavior of an abused woman, and if anything it’s proof of her love for Depp and her fear of his reprisals. Case in point. And let’s not forget that this same trial was conducted in England, and that court found Johnny Depp guilty of abuse cut and dry, so much so that the judge would not even allow him to appeal the verdict. This trial, Johnny got his (fake) ducks in a row, and upon inspection of each person his team has introduced, it becomes clear as day, and it’s an embarrassment. He’s banking on his pirate-charm and American fan base to influence what should be grounded perception. He’s even got his bots on this channel (along with every other social media platform) flooding them with pro-Johnny anti-amber commentary. What guile.
One need only remove their movie-star glasses to see the facts as they are: A fella who’s insatiable need for attention fueled by unbridled hubris believing he can sway public sentiments based on his star status. But I say he’s more ‘pirate’ than ‘movie star’. He’s got a grotesquely disproportionate sense of entitlement and import, and is highly skilled at the art of manipulation (even with slurred speech - and did you notice that disappeared as soon as he saw the reviews that spoke to his painstaking incoherence). He’s a grown up without a job (unless you call play acting ‘work’). He doesn’t feel valuable because he has no value, because he’s way out of ethics-as is evidence by his penchant for destruction and sabotage (relationships, career, property, money, substance abuse). He needs help. He’s an admitted criminal who indulges in infantile temper tantrums and self destructive and abusive behavior. He has no internal barometer or restraints. He has admitted to self harm (all witnesses and all tapes reveal he cut off his own finger), and he has repeatedly stated that he wants to die, and I might add -kill and rape her (as he stated and read aloud in a court of law, in his many texts). He should be arrested, arraigned, and involuntarily committed. He needs to be stopped and we need to stop playing favorites. Whatever happened to ‘justice is blind’? In this case, it’s Hellen Keller.
I definitely think Amber’s own recordings of conflict validate Dr Curry’s evaluations.
Anyone with intelligence and psychological awareness could diagnose Amber with BPD without any test. Her behavior is textbook BPD in endless ways, it’s clear as day. It sounded “too perfect” because it was so accurate, reading the BPD behaviors described Ambers behavior in every way. Just because she was brought in by Depps team doesn’t make that less true.
Yay! When I saw her testimony my first thought was, Dr. Grande needs to make a video on this asap!
I think that she did what a lot of young beautiful and semi talented people do they marry someone that can help them get ahead because of money or something else....
I had to take the MMPI when I was a teenager, and I was simply told that I lied on it and was sent away without further discussion. I didn't lie though. I was suicidal, depressed, and very emotional, and I wanted help out of the pit I was in. It was such a waste of several hours.
I'm so sorry you went through that and i'm glad you're still here.
Pretty much what happened to me, but I had a sympathetic therapist who knew I wasn't lying on the test.
I did want to meet the person who answered "No" to "Do you believe in God?" and "Yes" to "Do you believe God is talking to you?" That struck me as two odd questions to have on the same test.
@@Rasputin443556 🤣😂
@@Rasputin443556 I mean, that does sound partly like proving consistency in the answers type of question
That really sucks. Thanks for sharing!
After watching AH's testimony, and rewatching Dr. Curry's testimony, she nailed it. AH was acting as if she was in a play. Her speech was very colorful, flamboyant and she would switch emotional extremes at will. She shows mimicry of subject, and she produces lack of emotion appropriate for the situation.
Dr Curry offered to go through every page of the test results with Heard's counsel. Counsel turned down the offer. End of story.
I had a friend who was diagnosed with BPD. I really wanted to be her friend. However, her personality disorder made it so exhausting and draining for me.
I recall her going into a very angry rage when a certain person who she didn’t even know personally would not leave her partner after he cheated on them. I just couldn’t understand it. Where was this coming from? She would frequently overdose or take too many pills and drink beer with it. She would get a cab to ER and just say she was there for observation while the drugs went thorough the system. Yes she was a frequent flyer at local Emergency departments.
She kept missing so much work she was encouraged to retire young which she did. All through this she had psychiatrists and a good family doctor.
It was effecting my mental health especially the overdoses and self harm.I had to discontinue the friendship. I wished her well. It was more than I could deal with.
Around ten years later her mother called me and told me she had died. Apparently, she died in her sleep. According to the LE that found her in her apartment there was no evidence of pills or booze around. She died of natural causes.
Well at least she is at peace now. It’s sad that she was in such misery most days.
While dialectical behaviour therapy has proven to have success in people with BPD there are not that many therapists trained in this field currently.
I feel my former friend was born with a brain that was susceptible to these conditions. Her other siblings appeared normal to me. Some people are given a terrible cross to bear in this life. There are no easy solutions for these conditions, in my opinion. Sad but true.
A great many professionals are trained in DBT. Trauma based treatments are more accessible than ever.
You know, I've known people with borderline symptoms and people with dementia and I see them doing some of the same things. It makes me wonder if there is some sort of brain damage or neurological difference involved in borderline. People with dementia will also lack insight, have rage, externalise blame, have delusions and appear to make things up which is called confabulation. When the brain lacks memories for an event it will make up what happened and the person is completely convinced that this is the truth.
I'm sorry your friend died. I suppose regular overdosing would have taken its toll on her body.
As someone with BPD I truly hope that your friend can finally rest and hopefully finds some form of peace.
the stigma associated with BPD and Cluster B PD's are really saddening, they really do make it seem as though these people are inherently evil. But sadly, the effects on loved ones and those close with many who meet criteria for BPD suffer tremendous abuse.
May your friend rest in peace, so many lives are sadly destroyed by these things
@@amattes1960 trauma causes changes in the brain mirroring brain damage!
Great advice Dr Grande!
Note: Jason Mamoa (Aquaman) has made a video saying that Amber Heard threw bottles of liquor on set while making Aquaman. This information contributes to verify Ambers mental health issues.
Are you sure? Because people have been making dubbed videos of jason lately, id like to see it anyway if its real do u know where i can? Could u provide the link? Cheers
Are you sure it’s not fake?
Mamo behaves like a buffoon in that video
She sure likes throwing bottles.
Who doesn't shes a good marxman tho!!!
Seeing the 3 testimonies (Dr. Curry, RN Filati, and Dr. Hughes) put this into context. The RN notes indicated that Heard admitted to a history of “anxiety, eating disorder, Attention Deficit Disorder, Bipolar disorder, codependence issues, and occasional insomnia.” She also had virtually nothing in her notes about any physical injuries suffered by Heard.
On the one hand, it’s very difficult to imagine that anyone could be capable of lying or concocting stories of such extreme, pervasive abuse. But it’s even more dubious that there would be no evidence, especially when she interacted almost daily with a personal nurse. To me this suggests that she has a personality disorder associated with pathological lying (e.g. HPD)- it’s the only conclusion supported by the evidence (so far).
Certainly, if this were a criminal case there would be more than a reasonable doubt. Although Mr. Depp does not risk prison, he has lost many personal freedoms based on the unsupported accusations of one person. There needs to be a higher standard than “believe all women.”
I'm also up to date, and went back and re-listened to JD's testimony and recordings. The audio recordings of their discussions just simply don't make sense with AH's story. There's even a recording of a discussion of the Australia incident. AH's recount of events in her testimony was just absolutely heartbreaking and horrific, BUT the recorded conversation from after just does NOT compute with her description, but perfectly matches JD's AND is in line with his statements about what the cycle of they arguments were from his point of view (they disagree, she has to be right, things get heated, he tries to leave, she gets violent) and every other recording of their arguments
@@NewtScamander1 I agree. When looking at the evidence in total, the explanation that makes most sense is that she suffers from Histrionic PD. Her history is consistent with childhood neglect, so she requires a lot of attention and she’s incredibly driven to get it, even if it means lying. Its no wonder she latched on to him the way she did, her treating therapists were either too starstruck or lackadaisical to provide the support she needed, and her friends, family & advocates (forensic psych & attorneys) are enabling and exploiting her.
It’s sad really, because she’s completely committed to the lie now. In one recording you hear her say something about how she can’t take it back or she’ll lose credibility, so she sees no way to end it amicably. At this point she truly feels her survival is at risk and she’s not far from wrong. It seems the entire internet is focusing incredible hate towards her.
I find it interesting that Amber's attorneys seem to be solely focused on discrediting JD and not offering any evidence to back her claims. I also find it interesting that her attorneys are acting so aggressive and at times down right rude. You would think they would be concerned about how they are coming off to the jury. Whether the jury like the attorneys or not should not hold weight on their decisions but i guarantee that it will affect who they believe to be telling the truth. We still have her side to hear but from what i have seen in the news, her witnesses seem to be backing out one by one. I don't think it looks very good for Amber. I think Johnny is an honest and humble man with some demons. What angers me most is that Amber's attorneys are trying to insinuate that drug/alcohol abuse equals abuse. As a recovering alcoholic myself I find this not only offensive but, in general, false. The fight against the stigma placed on people with addictions is not being helped by these aggressive and offensive attorneys. They are intentionally keeping this stigma alive and using it to their advantage which i find morally and ethically repulsive. All of that being said, it will be interesting to see her side of the case and how that plays out. Thank you Dr. Grande for doing these videos. I always appreciate your take on things! Big fan!
To be honest, that is what the defence is meant to do. Poke holes at the evidence brought on by the plaintiff in this case. He is suing her for defamation, all they have to do is show he does not have the necessary grounds to prove it. As they have done mainly cross-examination, they will come off as the more aggressive party (although I would argue they have acted a tad petulant at times and the female attorney is very off-putting, even in her opening statement).
You will however get to hear more about AH's claims because she is also countersuing for defamation due to some statements made by one of JD's attorneys. She will also testify on the stand which is when her legal team will seek to strengthen her claim. But she will also be subject to cross-examination at which point she will have to answer some difficult questions, for example, how come she stated publicly quite a few times that she has donated her divorce settlement as promised when in fact she has not.
Regarding their strategy of painting JD as a violent abuser because of addiction, you are right. It might not sit well with the jury just as it does not with you, due to their previous experiences. Even so, that doesn't mean they will rule in his favour regarding the defamation. She is not on trial for domestic violence.
They are as gaslighting as a narcassist it's quite triggering for a survivor listening to her attorneys. You are spot in hope jury see this xx
@@Alabamasparra Gaslighty or not, again, this is their job. To paint everything in a light that is in their client's advantage. Their execution might turn off the jury, however, but it's impossible to say at this point.
@@REDinitial their job... really surely their job is to give hard evidence without the need to gaslight 🤣 xx
She may have seemed didactic about the tests because she needed to make her point firmly after enduring AH’s lawyers apparent attempts to discredit her and her repetitive questions, most of which did not seem germane to the testimony. She endured that with considerable grace.
I thought Dr Curry discredited herself by going to Johnny's place, having a meal and drinks with him while being interviewed by his attorneys. If I was on the jury I would disregard anything she said. I thought amber's attorney did a good job of discrediting her.
Plus Dr Curry's report has been entered as evidence which will be much more explanatory than her oral testimony amd will be read by the Jury.
@@biancapierce639 it was just a selection process that lasted hours, she needed to eat…
@@biancapierce639 Interesting. Why did that discredit her in your eyes? They couldn’t meet in a public restaurant for the interview like they would for a non celebrity client. Do you think she should have turned down the food while she was in a dinner meeting? I’m just wondering if it’s the location or the food you find discrediting. If so, do you think she was wrong to have a private meeting with Amber and eat breakfast with her? In the medical field any legal meeting I’ve been party to has been a breakfast, lunch, or dinner meeting. Either at a home, restaurant, or empty office.
@@KiKi-tf8rv exactly. People don't seem to have ever heard of a lunch or dinner meeting, or even discussing business over drinks. It's bizarre.
People are shitting on Amber Heard but she hasn't even put on her case yet, her own witnesses.
@@anjou6497 I think that Johnny and Amber physically and psychologically abused each other with Johnny getting the worst of it from Amber and the worst of it for his career.
Interesting that Heard and Depp HAD been together a long time. They actually started seeing each other in 2009 and got together in 2012, engaged in 2014 married in 2015 ... not sure what would be long enough to evaluate a partner's behavior
Exactly!
Whilst I found Dr Curry to be very well spoken and her explanations seem to back up her clinical skills and experience, it also makes sense that a psychologist employed by the prosecution is going to provide an explanation and evidence supporting the prosecution’s case. As Dr Grande pointed out, if AH’s T-scores are within normal range it’s difficult to claim there were irrefutable diagnoses of BPD and HPD. It would have been more accurate to say that AH’s presentation was consistent with these diagnoses and demonstrated many features of them, indicating these diagnoses but would be her best hypotheses based on her clinical judgment. As Dr Grande pointed out in one of his other videos, things look really favourable for JD at the moment because the defense has not yet given their evidence and version of events.
You need to watch Dr. Curry's testimony again. She answers this question.
AHs declared on record that Mr. Depps alleged treatment of her caused PTSD. Therefore, a ptsd expert (as Dr. Curry is, as per her impressive curriculum) was granted to Depps side by the court. That is why she focused specifically on PTSD, ultimately refuting the validity of Heards claim.
she's the kind that believes ptsd can only be caused by life or death events like war, being held hostage, suffering a serious incident.
Certainly not familiar with CPTSD.
Amber could have PTSD from a previous trauma thats why she could score so high and the relationship might have triggered her PTSD symptoms. But curry said she doesn't have PTSD.
@@redleeks6253 She mentioned CPTSD, actually, in her testimony. Even acknowledged AH might have childhood trauma, which might explain some of the scores. But clearly she didn't believe AH's claim that Johnny gave her PTSD. Which is the crux of it.
"A man marries a woman hoping she'll never change. A woman marries a man hoping he will. Both are inevitably disappointed"
This is inaccurate given Amber Heard has a unique mental health status. Many people met their partner and hope nothing changes but that’s not life most people have goals, grow and change.
Not possible in life. People must change but change together for the better.
Watching this s**tshow has reminded me no one is talking about emotional abuse. First off, I am not talking about Amber Heard, but I know from personal observation that a great way to emotionally abuse a spouse is to accuse them of crimes where the punishment will be applied without due process. I'm a woman, but I do not believe that men should automatically lose their careers because of a physical or sexual abuse accusation. I also don't think women should get a pass for violence against a man because he is bigger or other such nonsense. I know plenty of small children who have been beaten by angry mothers. Women can be as abusive as men. Problems in our justice system should not be handled by the media, public sentiment, or celebrity activists. (AH has now accused JD of sexual assault. I hope this accusation is met with more openness to skepticism than her 2018 op-ed was.)
Women are more likely to be the abusers in mother-children relationships because of the power dynamics and it's way worse because there's no "mutual" going on here. The child doesn't have capacity to know she's been abused, the child loves mother unconditionally and relies on her for survival, the child isn't even considered a legal person to get their rights validated.
In intimate partner relationships (heterosexual) the man often holds the power in the relationship, even if just physical but often has way more. In this case Johnny has definitely more power in the relationship but the abuse is mutual. Johnny isn't afraid of Amber that's why he asks her to beat him, the "2 bams" he mentioned.
Imagine being hit by your partner and then go on his face "you wanna hit me again. Go ahead hit me, i allow you", what kind of trip is this. When i listened to Depp telling that I was like "wtf you are saying dude! You say she's hitting her the woman is already on fire and you go on her face and ask for 2 more?". That's a challenge.
But if we are talking about emotional abuse what about his stonewalling practices and ghosting periods. Apparently he had a disappearance act for a week. Shutting down communication with your partner for one week it's cruel especially for amber who seems to have abandonment wounds, she pretty much verbalized.
Johnny seems to only be comfortable in long distance relationships, something that he had with Vanessa. I also think that with 2 children at home Vanessa would be glad to see him away when he was on his alcohol/substance highs.
Food for thought.
His sister booking an extra hotel room doesn't seem something she developed only after the marriage with Amber. I'm not sure if his sister is his manager but she must know him well enough that he has this need to isolate. Probably if he wants to drink and his partner is against a conflict would start.
Ah, not to forget all the women he dates are "c*nts" but when he is recording they are "babes" and "kids".
Johnny seems more borderline than amber or narc narc as all Hollywood stars need to be.
What about oppositional defiance disorder and conduct disorder? Also, how about giving full responsibility to Amber for her actions? She is in control of her thoughts and actions, but just makes the choice to be cruel to people.
I’m a survivor of DA Jonny is not guilty of the accusations AH claims
Yes he may be eccentric and use substances but he’s no woman beater, AH is a disgrace
It doesn’t take a professional to see what that woman is doing
Yeah, like the poop incident!
It's called common sense. Observe the woman, her interviews, add up the lies and her obsessiveness to have JD destroyed, even as it is costing her her own career. It's kinda sad in one sense that someone can be so mentally ill as to go about their own destruction on the road to revenge, and on the other hand as said, as said -common sense applied with seeing and hearing all those things combined , i personally don't even care what the actual or more or less factual diagnosis is between specialists that don't support each other analysis and diagnoses or methods of testing, i can see for myself that the woman is not well at all, and that JD went though a continuous hell with her. And it continues to this day. I went through my hell with my x, a narc ( or whatever the heck someone would have diagnosed him with having, i don't care - being from hell, for me) for over 20 years due to having a child with him, its a systematic HUNT for this kind, the only thing that matters is to destroy someones life by whatever means necessary. Cheers to you for having survived and thrived. Its the only pleasure one can draw from having lived through hell.
It really hurts. I was re victimized by the court as well once I finally got out. It’s weird to me that Grande with all his knowledge of different disorders is completely ignoring the way people who are abusers responded when confronted by others - like an innocent lamb. Fooling others. Anybody who has suffered through this can see it for what it is, unfortunately
Are they going to bring up the fact that she abused her girlfriend back in 2009? I mean, she the past abuser with a DA arrest.. not Depp... Has that been brought up and I missed it?
@@nicola3060 They are snake charmers, for sure.
You can't begin to understand how much I was anticipating this particular analysis. Dr. Grande did not disappoint!
I’m watching, I took some classes on psychology and I totally see histrionics there. I’m 4 courses in and I’m in the cluster B range with my own professional dr diagnosed mental diagnoses. I like Dr. Grande because he is usually non biased even when he makes his silly but funny jokes. 😌
Agreed 👍🏼👍🏼
Having been with a borderline I can say Heard has bpd. I know this person, I hear it and I see it. I can also say this borderline I had the displeasure of knowing did not have symptoms of PTSD but having been with them, 3 years later, I still do. Thos voice recordings gave me flashbacks and might as well have the same person. Evil, pure evil.
Same
Do you think Princess Diana was evil? Guess what. She was a borderline. Amber is way more than just a borderline. Borderlines are "I hate you, but dont leave me!!.Other pathologies to me are more drastic than borderlines.Thats how I see it Unless they are a sociopath.
@@loristoneking4536 I knew something was up with her when she told Michael Jackson that Dirty Diana was her favorite song.
This person tried to stab me then begged for an a** f******* in the same 5 minute span. They attempted suicide and ended up in the hospital 3 times because I tried leaving them. The last time I was told the diagnosis was bhpd so I never went to visit . 50,000 text messages and 4000 voicemails later I was out but by that point my whole life had fallen apart and emotionally I had to shut everything down. I'm still afraid of my phone and anxiety and fear are my only emotions.
I dont know why I'm telling everyone this. Probably because the people in my life are tired of me and don't care anymore so I'm just grasping at this point
Same. At one point I thought maybe I should stop watching this coverage , too triggering. But I can't.
@@erinhammons6299 I'm ki da betting my life on the outcome of this trial. I've convinced myself if he wins then I've been vindicated and I can rid myself of my past and move forward. We'll see how that works out.
Her PTSD was busted when she showed the hidden camera tape when Johnny was slamming the cabinets. We can see her smiling at the end of the tape. Then when they show it in court, whenever she hears a cabinet slam & the camera is on her she cringes, as if startled. That's the best acting I've ever seen her do. GOLD DIGGER!
I know someone with BPD. The relationship was so volatile I ended the friendship, only to feel sorry for her, be abused and "dump her" as she called it. Over and over. She has made my life a nightmare. I keep praying one of these times I stop feeling sorry for her and walk away for good.
I've known 2 people with BPD and sadly what you've experienced is all too familiar. It's hard knowing these people are genuinely struggling but its also important to set boundaries and make sure you're not being abused and manipulated. Sometimes it's best to part ways
Do it. Walk away. You owe her absolutely nothing.
Trust me, I know.
Oh no! I’m sorry!
You deserve happiness
Ma’am just leave. It’s only a friend not a child or a spouse. I walked away from a friendship like this and my only regret is not doing it sooner. Go cold Turkey and cut off everything.
Way to go Dr. Grande, thank you for sticking up for people with bpd. As I watched this testimony I thought to myself that this is a really bad day for people with borderline personality disorder.
Well there is good reason people with BPD are stigmatized. To be in a relationship of any kind with them is extremely difficult.
Awkward Autistic so very true...
@@Kevin-Schmevin not just romantic relationships...but any kind of relationship at all.
@@Kevin-Schmevin Understatement..
It was a really good point that he made about the doctor saying she had BPD and HPD but no PTSD. I can’t imagine someone having BPD and having no history of trauma. I don’t think it can happen. The symptoms develop for good reason. And we have to have empathy for that person because of whatever those reasons are. Even if they don’t always behave like we think they should.
She physically abused him on many occasions, broke his finger, bruised her face and dome of you people still defending her. It blows my mind.
I was under the impression that she was separating Amber's childhood PTSD from adult PTSD. She did say they analyze the two separately. I understood that she has PTSD from childhood abuse but not new PTSD. The nightmares etc.. were from prior to Johnny. Did I misunderstand?
I understood the same. That she was evaluating for any ptsd symptoms after the relationship began, and that in that evaluation, she didnt find evidence to sustain that she had it
I feel like you’d be such a great witness in a trial, logical, smart, very clear talking voice and some of the best appropriate wit around! Keep being the logical side of TH-cam. We need you!!!!
That's hearsay... 😂😂😂
I wouldn't be surprised if he already has been. A lot of clinicians end up getting subpoenaed at some point or another. I've mosty seen it with custody cases, but it comes up for other reasons too.
We do
She was such a class act up there. Johnny and his team were loving it
She has a lot of trial experience even though this was her first civil case.
Regardless of the defense trying to find things to discredit her, importantly that most of her results were not impressionistic, but from quantitive analyses and therefore impartial. Based on Amber’s own responses, and would’ve come out that way no matter who administered those tests.
Dr Curry was an excellent witness. She did a great job contextualizing them, explaining them to a broad audience and answering questions.
I can't speak to her qualifications and the substance of her testimony, but I do watch a lot of trials and she was by far the most impressive expert witness I've ever seen. I don't recall a single objection to anything she said during direct, and I don't recall any under cross-examination because Depp's team clearly let her do her thing. They certainly had plenty of opportunities to object, certainly with the legal stuff Elaine was throwing at her, but they just left her to it while they giggled like schoolgirls lol.
Love the references to Johnny's movies at the end, doc. Love your channel, so informative and adore your dry humor! You deserve all of your success and I'm excited to see you hit that 2 million sub count! Many thanks! ♥️
This is the most important conversation that has been had on this issue. With my own mental health issues it is excruciating to watch these court proceedings and I just pray that all parties get the mental health they need
Ah, we're in Dr. Grande's wheelhouse now. Thanks for giving a non biased view of these types of things. Hearing you explain these different personality disorders is great, you always humanize rather than stigmatize.
" - humanize rather than stigmatize" - is a really tiresome cliché at this point, and it is not at all relevant. It is juvenile.
I disagree! Dr. Grande consistently tries to protect Àmber. Itsas if he doesn't want to believe she's the vile, manipulating, evil succubus she is.
@@susantunbridge4612 Indeed. I get tired of hearing people complain about the "stigmatization" of Cluster B.
@DrToddGrande will you be analyzing Dr Hughes testimony from today? Thank you!
@drgrande will you be analyzing Dr Hughes testimony from today? Thank you!
Without the tapes, Curry's testimony could easily have been canceled out of the equationn by the jury (viewed as just another highly paid expert witness).
But, those tapes alone are the megaphone that shows the lengths that Amber will go to in order to be the center of attention. The #1 obvious behavior to get and maintain that center of attention is to show/prove how others are "obviously" her persecutor. It's why she made the tapes. "This will prove just how persecuted I am." - As she guides the other person into using words or behaviors as defensive measures that she perceives them as being offensive.
She has manipulation abilities down to an out-and-out perfection skill. She's surgical. And anyone who is blindly in love with her like Johnny was wouldn't be able to pick this up. It took having the tip of Johnny's finger to be crushed for him to snap out of it. Narcissists take absolute pleasure in being able to successfully push another's buttons. By successful, I mean their victim actually begins to agree with the narcissist that they are inept, disloyal and the cause of the narcissist's problems in life.
Yup. Trauma bonding.
Omg thank you. Ive been so upset since hearing that diagnosis.. which i share after an attempt to leave the world 13 years ago. Ive since gotten my masters in psychology just to understand what i was diagnosed with fully.. my trust issues from childhood made it impossible for me to receive dbt or any treatment. I was just way too jaded and stubborn with the idea that “i raised myself. No1s ever cared. And now that i know what the issue is.. ill fix this myself too”.. this has been my best and worst symptom regarding trust.. bc i strive to always learn anything thats important to me to do the research myself. So i got my masters and through self awareness therapy on my own dissecting my thoughts using splitting methods.. im now pain free. I still have the same intrusive thoughts.. but after years of practice ive learned how to handle my triggers and how to avoid others.. it takes work.. but im proud how i did it..
With that said, the diagnosis given broke my heart bc im usually able to connect dots extremely intuitively to a level.. abd she just did not fit the mold except to further stigmatize that “bpd women are insane. Period”.. which.. hurts of course.
Something i’ve always said jokingly is that BPD is like the SIDS of mentalhealth.. bc theres SO MUCH in community differences.. but we all just have diff levels of like 10 disorders. So kinda like SIDS.. i joke how a psychiatrist would look at us and just go “ok.. you got a whole mess going on.. ::BPD STAMP::”.. so to hear you affirm that, yes, there can be two people with diagnosed BPD with only one quality in common is SEVERLY true. Were all over a massive spectrum. I wish there was a way to horn this message out to EVERYONE who keeps using BPD as some excuse of violence. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Dr. Curry was much more unbiased in her language when discussing abusers and victims than Dawn Hughes. Hughes only viewed victims as women and how men are the perpetrators of abuse. Had cross been the same day as direct, Hughes would’ve definitely got caught up more in her “believe all women” standpoint. I think she was advised to tone it down after day one so that she could come off a little more likable on day two but she did a lot of damage on day one and I don’t think she helped Amber’s case. Even if Dr. Curry had skewed her perspective to favor Johnny’s defense, it won’t matter to the jury in the long run. I believe her calm demeanor and likability will sit better with the jury and they will consider her perspective much more than Hughes “diagnosis” due to the fact that Hughes clearly had an “all men bad” perspective and opinion on the stand.
Thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason.
I can't stand Amber I hope she goes to Jail and have to pay Johnny Depp $50 Million.
Its a civil suit so no jail time, but im sure she'll lose and have to pay him
But she has no real money .
@@machupikachu8349 lmao I read she has 12 million
She probably won't pay.
@Lost Your Marbles LoL! Very good point, Mr. Musk can afford it. Someone said her child may be his! Who knows, probably publicity but my goodness, God help the child, no matter what!
Thank you! I always learn so much from your assessments, and really enjoy your sense of humor.
I am not a clinical psychologist. I am a psychologist in neuroscience field. I do teach abnormal psych and clinical and counseling. I can't give a professional opinion of Amber Heard's diagnosis. However, examining the symptoms, behaviors, testimony, and hearing descriptions of the situation it did look like those patterns of behavior were consistent with other folks diagnosed as having BPD. Histrionic PD is listed in DSM-IV-TR, while borderline PD is in both DSM IV and DSM 5. DSM 5 allows ypu to use either DSM to make a diagnosis. Nice to hear the symptoms described are consistent with a diagnosis from a clinician. MMPI is an excellent tool to capture various forms of psychopathology. I think Dr. Curry'S description seemed well described and she approached it from a conscientious point of view which I appreciated. Psychopathology is real and deserves to be treated with same respect as physical ailments.
Dr Grande, I don’t need the MMPI2 to think that Amber Heard is a borderline with histrionic traits. Just listening to the tapes that SHE recorded demonstrated how she refused to let Johnny leave or get away from her, along with her A+ drama queen act by throwing everything she could get her hands on at his head! Actress or not, this woman needs a lot of help in order to live in the real world. I alternated feeling sorry for her and watching in jaw dropping amazement at her idea of married life! I sincerely hope someone can help her. This can’t be much of a life.
Wow, just wow. I was wondering to myself, did she listen to these tapes?
Thank you.
I feel bad for her baby daughter. Yikes.
So glad someone else felt bad for her at some points during that testimony. Someone got mad at me for saying this! Sometimes it was hard to watch though
Something i found interesting about dr curry's testimony is that she mentioned that it is possible for bpd to exist without some form of childhood trauma, i disagree with this and agree with those in the field of psychology that state that it is inseparable from trauma, it is precisely a result or reaction to the trauma, it is absolutely impossible for someone to have zero childhood trauma yet have bpd, bpd is a response to childhood trauma, m just because in assessing a bpd patient that they dont disclose any incident of trauma does not kean it hasn't happened, id say that the reason we have statistics showing that many bpd patients haven't suffered childhood trauma is because of various reasons such as a lack of reporting, not remembering, not considering it trauma minimisation etc which is common with trauma victims, not experiencing obvious trauma but emotional only, etc etc, this all much better accounts for all this rather than the idea that there is a biological basis for bpd which is totally ridiculous and almost childishly simplistic, obviously there is a biological component but only because trauma itself alters and Changes biology, it changes the way the brain functions, its so incompetent that those studying the brain look at differences between bpd and non bpd people and notice a difference yet attribute this to inherent causes rather than realising that its because a troubled stressful upbringing will rewire the brain causing it to actually be different, instead they come up with chemical imbalance theories and so forth like they did when attempting to explain depression, its not true, nurture is the main cause and reason for these things not nature
My GF has bpd, but she is far from this lier, manipulative, evil person that most of those analysis out there try to portray... She does have mood swings, and bad days, specially around her period when her hormones go wild, but she takes it more on herself, which is my biggest concern... It really is good to examine these cases person by person, and tell that not everyone is going to have all the caracteristics of these mental illnesses, also telling that psichology is a human science, not an exact one, and as such it is full of flaws, like Dr. Grande made clear. Still, all my toughts to Depp, who did go trough a lot because of her, may them both find peace... hope she seeks treatmeant.
Not to be a dick, save yourself while u can. I know of two people who have been with someone with confirmed dx BPD. Both had terrible experiences that were hard to get out of.
@@zuverzagmail Agreed!
She could have Bipolar not Borderline? The 2 can be similar at times.
You're bought and paid for by mainstream. Good luck with the end result of that!
You're with a ticking time bomb bro, get out while you still can. You are clearly in the denial stage and it will get worse!
As someone who was misdiagnosed with BPD and later correctly diagnosed with ASD, I am always suspicious when doctors say those with BPD are socially sophisticated. I don't think manipulating others, misreading normal cues as being personal attacks, etc should count as "social sophistication." One thing in the trial that stood out to me was how Amber insisted on taking off Depp's boots and pouring him a glass of wine at the end of his day. And one day, he saw she was busy with something and took off his boots himself. Amber became extremely upset about this and Depp stated she was upset because he had disturbed her routine. Now that reads very autistic to me. Of course I can't know, but that reminds me of myself years ago before I understood why I was affected by having my routine changed. I think the symptoms of BPD and HPD are real and definitely related to things like trauma, CPTSD, and NPD, but I think BPD, as research has shown, had proven to overlap with ASD. Worth looking into further and being critical of.
Amber was pissed about the shoes because Amber wanted to show him that she was doing something nice for him and so when he takes his own shoes off, she gets pissed because in her eyes he just ruined a chance for her to show kindness. That's how people with BPD think. Has nothing to do with a disruption in routine. I also have autism spectrum disorder and dated a girl with BPD. she once offered me a Sandwich and I told her no thanks cause I was full after eating the pizza from earlier. She got full blown pissed at me for that. The reason BPD can sometimes look like ASD in females is because BPD have very low levels of cognitive empathy therefor have a harder time recognizing why someone else is feeling a certain way. But their social skills when they are in a leveled mood are no different than a normal persons and they are usually very extraverted and assertive. people with ASD are completely different.
@@vice2versa I agree they are very different, but I think that example is interesting because the boots thing seems like something I could've easily done as an autistic person and it would've been read as manipulative. So I'm interested in how certain autistic behaviors may look like BPD traits and therefore lead to an incorrect diagnosis.
I look forward to hearing Dr. Grande's assessment about the testimony given today by the psychologist hired by the defense. She was so clearly pandering to the jury with her responses directed only to them and her use of inflammatory and gender-biased stereotypes of IPV. She even tried to justify it on a few occasions with comments acknowledging Amber's physical and emotional abuse towards Johnny by saying that Amber regrets she committed those acts but her level of violence wasn't as bad as his? Seriously? A mental health "professional" such as herself is trying to garner the jury's sympathy by ranking which partner was "less abusive" and therefore should not be held accountable for the assaults she committed against her husband? In Amber's own words, she mocked Johnny by saying that no one would believe a white man could be a victim of domestic abuse. I hope Dr. Hughes's testimony gets totally exposed for the biased and absurd nonsense it is during cross examination tomorrow.
Totally agree! And AH screams BPD, and that does not exclude PTSD, it's often a commorbidity. They are on different axes, I don't see any reason for which Dr Grande would not also look for at at least accentuated persoanlity traits, if not a personality disorder per se. She just dismissed them as "well, if they qualify as PTSD symptoms, why look for any other diagnosis". I would have also loved to see some projective tests done on her, but I guess those are not "evidence based" and "extensively" researched and calibrated.
@@marilenapopa384 Agreed! BPD all the way. Did you watch AH's testimony today? Acting naive and innocent and trying to garner sympathy from the jury by pretending to cry at all the appropriate moments. So funny how she could cry on cue and then be totally calm and collected when her attorney asked the next question. There were no tears in her eyes when she was "crying" and I didn't see her use a tissue even once to wipe her eyes or nose! I haven't seen AH's movies, but from this performance I'd have to say she's a pretty bad actress.
Having been married to a man diagnosed with BPD - with psychotic features - along with drug addiction and Vietnam acquired PTSD, which was later ruled out when it was determined that the ex had never been in a combat situation and was postal clerk in Vietnam well away from any conflict.... it was easy for me to agree with Dr. Curry. I agreed with her before I heard her testimony, based on listening to Amber during arguments. Of course a male version of Amber didn't do all the crying, groveling and trying to seduce things back to her way - the other person leaving, or desiring to take a time out. The violence and rage I experienced was far greater than what Mr. Depp experienced, but we also had a longer term relationship. I stopped trying to play fair, like Johnny was doing by saying we need to take a break, take a time out, separate for a bit to cool things down. This was a strategy we both agreed to through counseling and therapy. It did not ever work. Ever. So I would listen to the tirade, keep myself and children as safe as possible, wait for him to pass out or get in the shower and leave. I kept clothing and important documents in the trunk of my car just for this purpose. Since they were in counseling, I'd have to guess this was suggested to them to do as well. It is quite believable to me that Amber has some kind of personality disorder.
Had a similar marriage, thank God recognised it early and left after four years of hell. It led to his own demise and because of this, he passed away. God rest his soul. Amen.
Thanks for his service in whatever capacity during war time. PTSD could be there even if he watched others be hurt or be traumatized. Just saying. I dont like to see any veterans service in any capacity minimized.
Sadly, although people with BPD can improve with dialectical therapy or CBT, they can’t if they don’t admit they have an addiction to anger, to control, to victimhood; these are all maladaptive coping strategies which CAN be changed. BPD isn’t a life sentence like bi-polar (unless there individual is deeply entrenched like Amber obviously is), and it is frustrating that many therapists don’t want to touch it, because it can be worked through, like any addiction.
@@loristoneking4536 we are a military family, on my side. All the way back to the civil war. He served 11 months. Went awol, went to the stockade in Ft. Carson
Through our counseling process, headmitted he was exaggerating. Trying to get VA benefits he was not entitled to, and to upgrade his dishonorable discharge. It was upgraded to undesirable. He was full of shit, targeted me because my heart for the military. He played us all. Just sayin'
@@barbaramiller2279 Wow OK.
This only makes me realize how terrible Amber's lawyers are. They should have done a better job cross-examining Dr Curry. Her diagnosis indeed seemed "too perfect" like Dr Grange said.
This is so balanced and coherent, thank you.
Doctor Curry spent about 18 hours or more assessing Heard. I think she would know. I trust her assessment. Also,just because there are newer case studies doesn't mean that the older ones aren't valid or better than the new one,or else no one would be reading Freud or Jung anymore.
You do know most of Freud's theories are considered hogwash.
@@margolane8529 True but the nature of academia is to create something new so you can advance your own qualifications and defend your thesis
@@margolane8529 He was high on cocaine when he did his writings.
@@tiffanyl4829 He did an experiment where he found that mostly only girls steal the pencils from their classrooms. He said this is because it is a phallic symbol & girls are envious of it.
... a very good point!
After listening to how BPD and HPD presents I can’t help thinking that 98% of people in the media, and probably 99% of politicians, have these disorders.
In life, in general 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😊
I just hope Heard isn’t able to fool the jury when she takes the stand. Absolute vital point in trial how that works out for parties involved.
From what we have seen and heard from AH, Dr. Curry's assessment seems to be correct. Note that in her 2016 deposition, AH showed no signs of PTSD when talking about the same events. She appeared snarky, spoiled, and aggressive. While it is no proof of deception, her vastly different demeanour in 2022, should at the very least raise suspicion.
Wouldn’t it be great that in 2024 Amber Heard can write “ 2 years ago i became the face of BPD” and that she becomes an advocate for people who suffer from this disorder and than donates the 7 million to a DPD treatment centre?
Oh Please stop putting AH on a pedestal!
I was being cynical…