@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial It's pure arrogance of me to reply you back Sir but - ' O Arjuna, among all World nothing binds me but I still Work or else I may cause unwanted progeny '( Varna-shankara ) . Now some translation try to tone down the word with ' Disorder ' . If Varna is not based on birth ,how come marrying outside of Varna considered as Sin ( same is said by Arjuna ) . I hope you take the question as someone who is learner informing his doubt to a learned and not as an insult.
@@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial But they don't talk about jaati vyavastha like how we see in our society . People don't discriminate based on varna but jaatis . In fact many don't even know which varna they belong to. When we talk about discrimination against Jaati then yeah mostly Chandals are discriminate in all major dharmic religions Hindu, Buddhist and Jainism .And Sri rudram of yajurveda treat all jaati equally.
Lord Krishna approves Arjuna's worries by saying that he is speaking like a Scholar. Chapter 2 Verse 11: aśhochyān-anvaśhochas-tvaṁ prajñā-vādānśh cha bhāṣhase gatāsūn-agatāsūnśh-cha nānuśhochanti paṇḍitāḥ The Lord said: O Arjuna! You grieve for those for whom there need be no sorrow, yet you speak words of wisdom. The wise do not grieve for the dead or living. Caste is attained by a jiva due to qualities exhibited and developed by him in previous lives. Ex:- Job is given to people based on qualifications that were acquired before job. "Samadarshana" is taught, not "Samavartana". Seeing everyone equally can only be done on the level of Athman. But different bodies require different treatments.
@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial , Samadarshi is only at the level of Athman. Athman is in fire and water but we can never use fire for bathing and water for burning saying that both are same. Rules in shaastras are written by considering what's good and what's bad for each varna. They are not out of contempt but out of love for everybody.
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In summary: YES .
Gita does not support Varna by birth.
@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial It's pure arrogance of me to reply you back Sir but - ' O Arjuna, among all World nothing binds me but I still Work or else I may cause unwanted progeny '( Varna-shankara ) . Now some translation try to tone down the word with ' Disorder ' . If Varna is not based on birth ,how come marrying outside of Varna considered as Sin ( same is said by Arjuna ) . I hope you take the question as someone who is learner informing his doubt to a learned and not as an insult.
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At first, No Hindu texts mentions Caste system or jaati vyavastha , it's varna system and some texts mostly Smriti discriminate shudras.
Caste system discrimination was started by people not by god. Even though after kalyug it started where god denied to come on earth
@Harshhhh._.8 Everything is started by people only .
The Upanishads talk of Jatis too, apart from Varna, like "Chandal". Chandal is a jati, not Varna. Manusmriti talks of Jatis too.
@@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial But they don't talk about jaati vyavastha like how we see in our society . People don't discriminate based on varna but jaatis . In fact many don't even know which varna they belong to. When we talk about discrimination against Jaati then yeah mostly Chandals are discriminate in all major dharmic religions Hindu, Buddhist and Jainism .And Sri rudram of yajurveda treat all jaati equally.
Lord Krishna approves Arjuna's worries by saying that he is speaking like a Scholar.
Chapter 2 Verse 11:
aśhochyān-anvaśhochas-tvaṁ prajñā-vādānśh cha bhāṣhase
gatāsūn-agatāsūnśh-cha nānuśhochanti paṇḍitāḥ
The Lord said: O Arjuna! You grieve for those for whom there need be no sorrow, yet you speak words of wisdom. The wise do not grieve for the dead or living.
Caste is attained by a jiva due to qualities exhibited and developed by him in previous lives.
Ex:- Job is given to people based on qualifications that were acquired before job.
"Samadarshana" is taught, not "Samavartana". Seeing everyone equally can only be done on the level of Athman. But different bodies require different treatments.
True in a sense, but does it mean treating people with contempt? Can it be the implication of samdarshi?
@BrahmBodhi_EnglishOfficial , Samadarshi is only at the level of Athman. Athman is in fire and water but we can never use fire for bathing and water for burning saying that both are same.
Rules in shaastras are written by considering what's good and what's bad for each varna. They are not out of contempt but out of love for everybody.