Siwon treat Liu too princess things bcs he was raised like that. Very gentleman and put woman to be num 1, so special. On the other hand Liu is very traditional chinese girl who want her love life to be simple not like k-drama or too good to be true and fairy tale. She's so pure, innocent, and simple. Surrounded by tons of money and fame makes her missed all the simple things. I agree there's wall between them even they're so sweet together, and i just feel Siwon thinking he as a man need to leading his woman that's why he's actively breaking the wall between them.
I think one of the reasons why Siwon and Liu Wen are having such misunderstandings is because Siwon treats this as what it is - a variety show. He's used to and very familiar with WGM that the way he does the show with all the big gestures and the making light of stuff - it screams variety show veteran who is in this to entertain and bring in the viewers/ratings. We have seen variations of these scenes played out with different pairings on WGM. Like, I'm pretty sure Siwon in real life wouldn't be that stupid to go into a girl he's dating's bedroom the first time he visits her house or be pushy with the skinship when they only know each other for a few days, or jokingly ask for an underwear show (the guy is one step away from being a pastor ffs). That stuff makes it obvious that he is not entirely being real and is following a script. Not saying that Siwon is faking all his actions, because he really does seem like he wants to make Wen happy, but I don't think he realizes that for the girl, this is more than just a fake dating variety show. Wen doesn't want the glitz or him showing off how much money he has with over the top romantic gestures, she wants to see and most importantly, feel Siwon's sincerity more. I kind of feel sorry for Wen tbh because I feel like she is treating the show as something real while Siwon, well Idk. Sigh.
saintbluethesinner Very well said! That's what I'm also thinking!!! The previous episodes really shows that Liu Wen is taking this show very seriously. As for Siwon, I really do think that he treats this as a variety show like what they do in Korea which is sad because that's the reason why they are always fighting. But I do ship this couple so much!
I slightly disagree. Even for WGM standards, Siwon is being pretty aggressive. I think it's funny that he is complaining about her being too conservative when Koreans are really conservative as well. It takes so long in WGM for couples to just link arms yet he is expecting her to be comfortable with any sort of kissing. I'm surprised by how he is acting in general, especially when he suggests seeing her underwear or staying in the same room when she is changing.
thenerdshopper i disagree that Siwon is pushy. At least he says his intentions. Try watching Henry on WGM. Henry is sneaky..😶. Both guys have their good qualities.. I just want to say that p2p reaction is difficult to comment as diff ppl react differently. Only thing to blame is communication and cultural differences.
Serene Soh But even if he states his intentions, he still couldn't take what Liu Wen's answer at face value. When a girl says "no, not yet", the gentlemanly thing to do is to respect her opinion and space and be patient. And that is not what Siwon is doing - he even makes Wen feel guilty by teasing her. The Siwon I know from following SJ since debut is respectful towards women, so it kind of surprised me that this is how he is trying to approach Wen. It reminded me of his character in that drama he did (I forgot the title), so I think he isn't really showing his real self most of the time in the show, and is following what the producers/director want for their storyline. And I slightly disagree about the cultural differences - sure Chinese and Korean cultures have their differences but when it comes to love and relationship, they're mostly similar. Contrary to what the show is portraying Siwon to be, in real life he is actually traditional and conservative like Wen as well. So I hope once he stops whatever it is he is doing by pretending to be someone he is not and be more himself, they would be more compatible. Won and Wen fighting!
thenerdshopper Hmm, yeah. It just surprised me because that is not how I know Siwon to be. This kind of stuff he is doing is something I would expect from Leeteuk, Kangin or Eunhyuk. I wish he would listen more to Wen and not rush into things. Stop playing around and just be yourself, Siwon-ssi.
I think that Liuwen is a good match for Siwon, as she's someone he's obviously not used to. Siwon is handsome and rich and obviously has learned how to charm people's socks off, and is very used to girls (and guys) throwing themselves at him. In his eyes, he must think that he should have some almighty image and flaunt his money around because he's probably gotten the impression from girls in the past that that's what women like. But Liuwen is also beautiful and rich and one of the top models in the WORLD, and so the money is literally nothing to her. She's never been in a relationship so rather than having grand gestures and money, I believe she wants to feel the sincerity of a relationship because she hasn't yet felt it. I don't necessarily think she's taking it all seriously, I think she does understand that it's a show, but what she wants out of the show is to experience a relationship because she has yet to know what it's like. I think once Siwon realises this, they'll be fine.
lmao this comment is 3 years late but i actually think this show was a good thing for her. with this show i’m sure she learned a lot and gained experience. plus, now she knows what to/not to do in future relationships
I personally think that siwon is the one who is moving too fast and being inconsiderate to her ...when seohyon of girls generation was on the show she was way more shy than lie wen but yonghwa (her husband of cnblue )respected and considered her feelings and NEVER tried to kiss her or even touch her until she was totally 100% ready
I never expected Liu Wen to be so innocent because she always appears so confident on camera (VS runway and other photoshoots) but here she comes saying she's never dated before...tnat threw me off a lot haha
+Michelle Trinh Nothing wrong with that. There are fairly attractive people I know that look like they would date a lot, but they have never been with anyone. I think Liu Wen is a beautiful person who is reserved. She looks fierce and cold in the pictures sometimes, but then you see her and she is a simple and normal girl.
I've been watching WGM for quite some time now... I've seen couples come and go, and I've seen a handful of foreign couples join the show as well. This pair's got one of the most interesting story though. Liu Wen represents "reality" and seeing the frustration build is something new to all these fancy stuff. I'm used to seeing all the sweet little acts, but it lacks the genuineness and sincerity, but seeing this couple made me think, hey, there's some truth behind it. It's really interesting.
I have a few thoughts. First of all, I think Siwon is treating everything exactly the way it is. A variety show. It isn't a real marriage and it isn't a real relationship. It's all for TV entertainment. And he's been in the entertainment business for a long time so he knows how this goes. So he's doing everything guys do in dramas because it's a show and he wants to entertain the viewers. Whereas Liuwen is 180 degrees opposite of Siwon. I think since she's never been in a relationship before she shouldn't have been cast in this show because she's going to think it's real. Plus both of them are rich so it's not really working. He's trying to win her over with gifts and drama-like gestures (which is his style), but she's not appealed by that and only wants simple things. So basically they both should date people who are non-celebrities in order to get the relationship they want.
Omg the preview. I hope it's just hidden camera but even if it is, it's just too mean for liu wei. Please dont break her heart shi won ahhhh. He's rushing things too much. I believe she likes him or at least interested in him but she has no experience so she doesnt know how to express it. Give her some time, putting pressure on her iust makes things worse.
Tiffany Potato I agree. I think he met his sweet "match." He's used to girls swooning all over him, but this one keeps pulling back when he does a lot of these grand gestures. In her interview, you can hear the earnest in her voice for this relationship, but doesn't know what to do. She is very a sweet and modest person--and shes a VS model!
I know this show is partially scripted and it's variety...BUT, somehow @ 19:23, when Liuwen's friend says "silence is her saying yes" I felt really uncomfortable because if this was a real relationship, I would not be okay with that. If someone is uncomfortable with doing something in a relationship, that needs to be communicated. A silence does not mean a yes; making these assumptions without communicating to the other person if he/she's okay with doing something can really damage a relationship and lead to a lot of misunderstanding. I feel bad for Liuwen because she was too afraid of communicating what she wanted when her friends kept pressuring her to do the kiss.
I seriously love Liu Wen laid back style. Not like trying too hard to impress. She's natural and she's comfortable with being herself. It's relaxing and refreshing to see that.
Poor girl, WGM chinese should not casted her. She is such a pure heart babe. What if she really fall in love? Who will responsible for her heart break when we all know this show will never end up good. As for siwon, i think this is the first time he handle a serious innocent girl who is not head over heels for him. I hope he will learn something kk....hope both of them will find a true love.
Waah am really worried at this girl she is taking the program seriously , and she is sincere , hope he will fall fo her for real she is cute and nutural
Genius Apin! You've made our new name sticked to the vid!! So cute!!^^ I came here at this hour bcs it's been 12 hrs and many people might have watched it... I was so worried when translating yesterday bcs of the misunderstanding they had toward each other... I was so afraid that if I made any mistakes with my translation, I would bring misunderstanding toward Siwon... It's such a relief to see most comments could understand both of them and are looking forward to the next episode!!^^ ✌🏻️😁✌🏻
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This is a real relationship....normal to get mad & happy!!Good for both of them express their feeling..Siwon don't lose this kind of lady!!Frighting...
Thank you for subbing! This episode/argument wasn't as bad as I thought, neither was the kiss (Siwon can't read that she changer her mind, but I'm glad he didn't initiate that and force it on her like I thought, I was expecting the worst. Even though that unaired kiss was cute and I wish they had left the actual cuteness instead of giving us this to create drama with. :/ ). I also find it interesting how Siwon and Wen both think the other is upset or disappointed. They want more, but more of different things. He wants her to open up to him more, not really just skinship but with anything, it's like he wants her to communicate so he knows what she's thinking or feeling. She wants him to stop making everything this big production that she has to interpret and just be more real with her. He doesn't get that she wants the simple, he knows it's her first time dating so he wants to make their dates awesome, but he's overdoing it. She doesn't get that he's that kind and cheesy a lot of the times, especially because his seriousness freaked her out last time so he kept joking. He doesn't get that his jokes are either pressuring her or she's misunderstanding them or they're making her feel like nothing matters to him at all (a continuation of their first fight from the last episode). It's interesting, and I still feel that the producers gave this kind of relationship to them, probably because of Liu Wen's actual lack of dating history and how Siwon comes across as this larger than life prince.... But I still find more adorableness in their real life friendship (the bts for the next episode with the fight look all kinds of adorable, whereas the actual episode has them fighting quite badly) than in the actual episodes (1 and 2 I thoroughly enjoyed, aspects of 3 and 4 were too weird and forced to me). I just hope they let them be more real in future episodes because this was just OKAY LET'S CREATE DRAMA HERE, when it was going so well. Again, I know it's a realistic situation, but in the context and with the outtake kiss, it was just a weird unnatural plot device to make them both misunderstand each other (and i guess so the next episode has a focus). I honestly want to see Liu Wen and Siwon go back to getting to know each other without all the weird pretenses, so I hope this gets better in future episodes. Thanks again for subbing and uploading this!
I really like Siwon ~ Luiwen couple. They look good together and they seems so real. I like them to be more comfortable with each other. I hope everything will be fine for next episodes. I want Luiwen to be happy and also for Siwon. Even though they're just a virtual couple but it seems they're unique from the other. They encountered more tension , awkwardness & the fight thing ( idk) but it seems like they showed the real feelings they had. What a perfect match to be. The Prince who had it all & the gorgeous Top model with her simplicity & true heart. I wish best of luck with them. Hope Won~Wen WGM couple show make more episodes. I was being inspired with this two. a unique story in wgm china~korea. Daebak! #siwon #luiwen #wonwen #wgm
Finally.. thanks @alvin goodgirl. I just love this two.. They are matured and love every conversation they had. Its really show how Liu wen afraid that Siwon will hurt her feeling and Siwon really sincere towrd her.. Awwweeee... This is what relationship should be like.. I mean the WGM show, no scripted. Anyway, for eps 5, I think I will cry. By just watching preview for eps 5, I already cried a bit. I doesn't know why, but I just hate it, when a perfect and loving couple get into fight. Huhuhuhu.. But after eps5 both they relationship get stronger and better.. hehehheeh.. keep the Wonwen ship sail!!!!!!!
I really think the fight is fake under hidden camera. As siwon said there are walls in front of liu wen and he needs to break it. I think next episode he is trying to push Liu Wen to a point that she will finally admit her feeling toward him. That's why in the preview he keeps asking her "do you like me?". Also for the kiss, siwon kissed her twice. One time Siwon wears the heartbeat tester (in this episode), one time Liu wen wears it (in the EP4 preview), but only one is aired.
When the friends were like "She like Korean boys" the first thing on my mind immediately was ...what if there is a poster of Won Bin or Lee Minho inside of her wardrobe?
I think I am missing something ... maybe it is lost in translation ... or in culture, but I am not understanding why Siwon is not showing a little more patience. He seems to be pushing too hard for Liuwen and then gets frustrated. Could someone help me understand?
I feel like there's a lack of communication from them both. Liuwen doesn't feel "THAT" way for Siwon 100% because like she says, she's not sure if he's acting a certain way just for her, or if he's acted this way to other girls before. Siwon on the otherhand, does seem to push too hard for her to like him, but I think because liuwen doesn't show/allow much skinship between them yet, he probably feels as is she isn't interested in him at all ~~ even though she is.
SolaScriptrua (Also throwing it out there, they filmed a different version of the kiss that was in the preview for ep 4 that is a thousand times more gentle... honestly feel that this show is making it ~more dramatic because it's partially scripted, like all variety.) But there is a miscommunication for sure. Though she agreed to the kiss on the cheek, she wasn't ready, her friends kind of goaded her into agreeing. Siwon only realizes after the fact that it was a bad call, and I'm glad he feels like he blew it because he so did. But also, I don't think he'd be so pushy irl. Not because it's not his image (though it's really not his image), but because of how weird the editing (with the captions, and the pretending they know what he's thinking of when they have him think of her victoria's secret modeling work or when he's an idiot and tries to go into her closet) seems, like the last few had their unnatural bits but felt more genuine and this one is so all over the place. The ending is interesting though because he feels like he blew it (he kind of did), she still wants to know that he's serious and not just putting on a fairytale show (this is fair criticism tbh) - neither get that both are into the relationship because so much miscommunication, and they both feel like they really disappointed each other. It's a realistic situation, but parts of it really come across forced... I don't know if I'm making any sense. But yeah, I don't think the lack of patience is Siwon but where this show wants to go with this couple because the show usually has a direction and it's up to the celebrities to figure out how to execute it but it's still not actually them, even if it's not entirely scripted.
SolaScriptrua (Also for why he was disappointed...If you mean the end, he was disappointed in/angry with himself for missing that she felt uncomfortable until he was already kissing her cheek. If you mean why he's disappointed that she's still shy with him... He said he understands that it's her first relationship and that she's very traditional, but he also said that he'd be okay taking it slow but he literally doesn't know how she feels (because she consented to the kiss but then resisted when he tried it). I think it was a bundle of feelings. I don't think he's mad at her as much as he's upset that she doesn't seem to like him at all. But again, all these feelings/scenarios should be taken with a grain of salt because this show is still very planned and partially scripted.)
SolaScriptrua yup thats true. looks like for Siwon this is just a program (which it is) but for Liu Wen, being the pure and innocent girl that she is (which i love), she takes everything and does everything genuinely. Siwon should just understand that even if this is just a program, Liu does not have any experience when it comes to dating in general... so everything's a "first" for her which needs to be special in all aspects. Too bad they look good together
blackpearl ky I agree! I mean, I think Siwon's trying, but his interpretation of special is making everything more fairytale when Liu Wen wants everything more real, she cherishes the simple moments and Siwon thinks the larger than life moments are what makes things special. She's appreciating the gesture but wants some realness because it just seems like an act. And yeah, I think the show is kind of scripted and sometimes unnaturally so, but I think Liu Wen is genuine because she's not an actor and Siwon's kind and sincere but probably acting some of the time, so there is definitely some discrepancy there. It looks like they've formed at least a friendship irl but I guess we won't know if that's real until they interact after the show is over. (I hope they date for real lol.) And ughhh, they look TOO good together, it's insane. (I laughed so hard when her friends called him a feast for the eyes and spent the entire time WonWen were cooking just admiring how amazing they looked.)
Thank you for your time and effort to sub this show I don't know much about this couple but I'm beginning to anticipate them liuwen is such an innocent girl
Aigoo oppa, Liu Wen is just shy and wanted to take things slowly like what real couples do. She's very pure. Oppa just need to understand her. Himnae! I just love the both of you
Although this is s variety show, but I can sense the genuineness between Siwon and Liu wen. They are taking it seriously. I do hope that they get together for real even though there seems to be obstacles between them. I can understand Liu wen perspective about her thoughts towards Siwon. After all he is such a larger than life figure, a man too perfect until questions of doubt will arise. Can't be helped actually. Hope that Siwon will be more patient and understanding and that they will end up together for real as a couple one day.
I just had a situation like this, a guy pushing the relationship when we were just starting to know each other... I didn't end good cuase I didn't like that....hopefully it will end well for this 2, I know it's just a show, but they make a damn good looking couple, and siwon IS a true gentleman, a good man for such an innocent girl, I hope he'll stop acting....can't wait for the next episode!
Omg why am i so worried over these two. The only way to happy ending is for them to fall in love in real life. I kinda pity siwon because he must feel really burdened somehow.
ahhhh!!!! I can't wait for the next episode! It's been obvious that they're on different wavelengths, and they really need to lay it all out on the table, and I'm glad they're finally going to do it. I can't wait! I am on Liuwen's side but I can understand Siwon's perspective too. I'm really curious how it will play out
omg the next episode looks quite nerve-wrecking... i wonder what happened. I totally understand how liu wen feels about it, its because this is a programme but she feels like it should take the course of a real relationship where everything has to be slowly built up and not forced. On the other hand, siwon wants to make things comfortable for liu wen who is quite an introvert, hence he takes the initiative to tell jokes and do things for her. But liu wen is really taking things seriously, i do hope siwon can give her more time, and not say things like there's no hope, even though he's joking but i think liu wen does feel sorry that she can't express the same amount of love that siwon has given her.
Wow thank you very much, this is a really interesting episode. Siwon feel like Liu Wen didn't like him again hahaha. Poor Siwon, don't worry Liu Wen's Oppa, she like you a lot and want to make you happy all the time.
Hoping they can be a real couple...Liu wen such a pretty and simple girl although she is one of the highest supermodel. And siwon so sweet. Ohh I don't care it's just a variety show..for me they r so wonderful together.
omg i hope the can understand each other clearly, that Liu Wen want Siwon dont behave like K-drama and treat her as a real boyfriend and i hop Liu Wen can know how Siwon disappointed when she deny him >
I personally don't think either of them are at fault in their miscommunication...I just think that they have two very different ideals about how one should be in a relationship and what is or isn't acceptable. Ppl r saying that Siwon is being too aggressive but Song Jae Rim was twice as aggressive and him and Kim So Eun got along really well and were one of the most popular WGM couples. It's all a matter of preference and compatibility and I'm not sure that these two r compatible.
i got this feeling siwon would be more attracted to her than LW.he just thinks LW is a good catch bcos she is an innocent and nice girl but the attraction is not really there
I am 5 years Late for this!!! But Oh well, they look good together. 💛Liu is really traditional and conservative and for Siwon as a guy who treats her as a Princess yet being misunderstood by his gestures. He is a gentleman, but kinda moving fast to phases. 😂 Liu is not used to it 😂
im very worried that liuwen cant get out when the show is over.......siwon is doing like most variety shows.but ill be very heart broken if liuwen starts taking it seriously
I don't know how to ride bikes either, so I understand how hard is to learn once you are a grown up. Still, it never hurts that a Siwon tries to help you.
First of all ... i wonder how many Flowers she got by now because he braught her flowers like everytime the met. And i think it's really funny that Liu Wen is one of the top Models of the World but got that much of balance problems and can't ride a bike or is tone deaf :'D it just shows that She is a normal Person and is not Flawless just like many people would think. Average person confirmed.
Honestly I can't wait for next week!! Seeing Siwon angry s the best things thats ever happen to me in Suju's case! =) Wen I understand her feelings very well.. hang in there girl! You are a gem! If he is not your man then there is a deserving one waiting for you out there =*
wow... they are just good together.. thanks for sharing this video.. can't wait for next episode.. i hope they not fight and have fun while filming this program..feeling not good to see they fight...
I feel like Liuwen is so genuine and she actually developed feelings where as Siwon always seems half interested, half not. I mean.. Liuwen is beautiful, established, kind, bright.. I don't get why Siwon doesn't show the same chemistry back to her. It just seems like he's doing it strictly for entertainment. Is he perhaps gay? lol you never know.
alvin goodgirl Thank you for uploading episode 4. It's so sweet. Just wondering if you know the title of the theme song and if you know where I could purchase it? I heard it is sang by the Korean singer, 'The One'.
As someone who have an aggressive BF like siwon I get what liu wen feel. But after hearing my BF side I get it now. Guys need reaffirmation that the girl do like him back. Gifts might be good and all but affection is needed. I think siwon is just asking a little close affection. They are suppose to be BF and gf. Give or take they don't know each other well but from his view he might feel like she doesn't like him as much or embarrassed to call him her BF. Even if she say she's happy. She's not showing it as much. As for siwon being pushy not taking a "no" at face value it's because he want to find that hope. For the longest time my BF thought I was ashamed of him because I didn't give him public affection.
Thank you so much for the subs! I think Siwon should have kissed her hand instead after seeing Liu Wen being uncomfortable - it would have been a compromise for both but would have been cute. Still loving this couple and hope it all works out well. And Liu Wen's home is really pretty!
This is sooo scary that Liuwen treats this personally, i mean the whole boyfriend-girlfriend situation. What happen when the show ends? Did they brief Liuwen on what this is all about? But then, i hope they'll be together off cam, i want them to be together ♥
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Siwon treat Liu too princess things bcs he was raised like that. Very gentleman and put woman to be num 1, so special. On the other hand Liu is very traditional chinese girl who want her love life to be simple not like k-drama or too good to be true and fairy tale. She's so pure, innocent, and simple. Surrounded by tons of money and fame makes her missed all the simple things. I agree there's wall between them even they're so sweet together, and i just feel Siwon thinking he as a man need to leading his woman that's why he's actively breaking the wall between them.
Ananda Hanafiah yeah, i'm so agree with u
I think one of the reasons why Siwon and Liu Wen are having such misunderstandings is because Siwon treats this as what it is - a variety show. He's used to and very familiar with WGM that the way he does the show with all the big gestures and the making light of stuff - it screams variety show veteran who is in this to entertain and bring in the viewers/ratings. We have seen variations of these scenes played out with different pairings on WGM. Like, I'm pretty sure Siwon in real life wouldn't be that stupid to go into a girl he's dating's bedroom the first time he visits her house or be pushy with the skinship when they only know each other for a few days, or jokingly ask for an underwear show (the guy is one step away from being a pastor ffs). That stuff makes it obvious that he is not entirely being real and is following a script. Not saying that Siwon is faking all his actions, because he really does seem like he wants to make Wen happy, but I don't think he realizes that for the girl, this is more than just a fake dating variety show. Wen doesn't want the glitz or him showing off how much money he has with over the top romantic gestures, she wants to see and most importantly, feel Siwon's sincerity more. I kind of feel sorry for Wen tbh because I feel like she is treating the show as something real while Siwon, well Idk. Sigh.
saintbluethesinner Very well said! That's what I'm also thinking!!! The previous episodes really shows that Liu Wen is taking this show very seriously. As for Siwon, I really do think that he treats this as a variety show like what they do in Korea which is sad because that's the reason why they are always fighting. But I do ship this couple so much!
I slightly disagree. Even for WGM standards, Siwon is being pretty aggressive. I think it's funny that he is complaining about her being too conservative when Koreans are really conservative as well. It takes so long in WGM for couples to just link arms yet he is expecting her to be comfortable with any sort of kissing. I'm surprised by how he is acting in general, especially when he suggests seeing her underwear or staying in the same room when she is changing.
thenerdshopper i disagree that Siwon is pushy. At least he says his intentions. Try watching Henry on WGM. Henry is sneaky..😶. Both guys have their good qualities.. I just want to say that p2p reaction is difficult to comment as diff ppl react differently. Only thing to blame is communication and cultural differences.
Serene Soh But even if he states his intentions, he still couldn't take what Liu Wen's answer at face value. When a girl says "no, not yet", the gentlemanly thing to do is to respect her opinion and space and be patient. And that is not what Siwon is doing - he even makes Wen feel guilty by teasing her. The Siwon I know from following SJ since debut is respectful towards women, so it kind of surprised me that this is how he is trying to approach Wen. It reminded me of his character in that drama he did (I forgot the title), so I think he isn't really showing his real self most of the time in the show, and is following what the producers/director want for their storyline. And I slightly disagree about the cultural differences - sure Chinese and Korean cultures have their differences but when it comes to love and relationship, they're mostly similar. Contrary to what the show is portraying Siwon to be, in real life he is actually traditional and conservative like Wen as well. So I hope once he stops whatever it is he is doing by pretending to be someone he is not and be more himself, they would be more compatible. Won and Wen fighting!
thenerdshopper Hmm, yeah. It just surprised me because that is not how I know Siwon to be. This kind of stuff he is doing is something I would expect from Leeteuk, Kangin or Eunhyuk. I wish he would listen more to Wen and not rush into things. Stop playing around and just be yourself, Siwon-ssi.
I think that Liuwen is a good match for Siwon, as she's someone he's obviously not used to. Siwon is handsome and rich and obviously has learned how to charm people's socks off, and is very used to girls (and guys) throwing themselves at him. In his eyes, he must think that he should have some almighty image and flaunt his money around because he's probably gotten the impression from girls in the past that that's what women like. But Liuwen is also beautiful and rich and one of the top models in the WORLD, and so the money is literally nothing to her. She's never been in a relationship so rather than having grand gestures and money, I believe she wants to feel the sincerity of a relationship because she hasn't yet felt it. I don't necessarily think she's taking it all seriously, I think she does understand that it's a show, but what she wants out of the show is to experience a relationship because she has yet to know what it's like. I think once Siwon realises this, they'll be fine.
i think u have a point
This comment is was 6 years ago. I am watching this in 2021 after a whole pandemic lol
Love them together but still I think Liu Wen made a big mistake by participating in WGM. She's too innocent/pure for this kind of show.
agree
+airamona Yea I think so,too. I get a sense that Liu Wen was sincere but the guy doesn't seem very interested for some reason...
lmao this comment is 3 years late but i actually think this show was a good thing for her. with this show i’m sure she learned a lot and gained experience. plus, now she knows what to/not to do in future relationships
@@loveghibli I am with you. I am still waiting for good news. Both are honest people but has to keep their relationship under wrapped.
I personally think that siwon is the one who is moving too fast and being inconsiderate to her ...when seohyon of girls generation was on the show she was way more shy than lie wen but yonghwa (her husband of cnblue )respected and considered her feelings and NEVER tried to kiss her or even touch her until she was totally 100% ready
she's so pure n innocent ...I know it's a variety show but I wish Siwon was lil serious .
At first I think the girl in blue dress is really familiar. It turned out she was Miss World. No wonder she is so beautiful.
I never expected Liu Wen to be so innocent because she always appears so confident on camera (VS runway and other photoshoots) but here she comes saying she's never dated before...tnat threw me off a lot haha
+Michelle Trinh Nothing wrong with that. There are fairly attractive people I know that look like they would date a lot, but they have never been with anyone. I think Liu Wen is a beautiful person who is reserved. She looks fierce and cold in the pictures sometimes, but then you see her and she is a simple and normal girl.
I've been watching WGM for quite some time now... I've seen couples come and go, and I've seen a handful of foreign couples join the show as well. This pair's got one of the most interesting story though. Liu Wen represents "reality" and seeing the frustration build is something new to all these fancy stuff. I'm used to seeing all the sweet little acts, but it lacks the genuineness and sincerity, but seeing this couple made me think, hey, there's some truth behind it. It's really interesting.
I have a few thoughts. First of all, I think Siwon is treating everything exactly the way it is. A variety show. It isn't a real marriage and it isn't a real relationship. It's all for TV entertainment. And he's been in the entertainment business for a long time so he knows how this goes. So he's doing everything guys do in dramas because it's a show and he wants to entertain the viewers. Whereas Liuwen is 180 degrees opposite of Siwon. I think since she's never been in a relationship before she shouldn't have been cast in this show because she's going to think it's real. Plus both of them are rich so it's not really working. He's trying to win her over with gifts and drama-like gestures (which is his style), but she's not appealed by that and only wants simple things. So basically they both should date people who are non-celebrities in order to get the relationship they want.
Sunny Blue But then there's a saying "opposite's attract". But then again, feelings can't be forced. Sigh
Omg the preview. I hope it's just hidden camera but even if it is, it's just too mean for liu wei. Please dont break her heart shi won ahhhh. He's rushing things too much. I believe she likes him or at least interested in him but she has no experience so she doesnt know how to express it. Give her some time, putting pressure on her iust makes things worse.
Tiffany Potato I agree. I think he met his sweet "match." He's used to girls swooning all over him, but this one keeps pulling back when he does a lot of these grand gestures. In her interview, you can hear the earnest in her voice for this relationship, but doesn't know what to do. She is very a sweet and modest person--and shes a VS model!
I know this show is partially scripted and it's variety...BUT, somehow @ 19:23, when Liuwen's friend says "silence is her saying yes" I felt really uncomfortable because if this was a real relationship, I would not be okay with that. If someone is uncomfortable with doing something in a relationship, that needs to be communicated. A silence does not mean a yes; making these assumptions without communicating to the other person if he/she's okay with doing something can really damage a relationship and lead to a lot of misunderstanding. I feel bad for Liuwen because she was too afraid of communicating what she wanted when her friends kept pressuring her to do the kiss.
I love that you sub every detail, not just the dialogue but also what its written by the show which can be quite humourous. Thank u thank u
i think she likes him more he likes her
in the beginning but at the end he really likes her.
I seriously love Liu Wen laid back style. Not like trying too hard to impress. She's natural and she's comfortable with being herself. It's relaxing and refreshing to see that.
Siwon also invite liuwen in helios premiere look like siwon take serious about this relationship. Just pray the good for him. Anything.
I agree. He likes her at the end.
ikr, its 2020 and i still shipping them :(
Poor girl, WGM chinese should not casted her. She is such a pure heart babe. What if she really fall in love? Who will responsible for her heart break when we all know this show will never end up good. As for siwon, i think this is the first time he handle a serious innocent girl who is not head over heels for him. I hope he will learn something kk....hope both of them will find a true love.
I strongly agree with you 👍👍👍
I strongly agree with you 👍👍👍
Waah am really worried at this girl she is taking the program seriously , and she is sincere , hope he will fall fo her for real she is cute and nutural
Siwon enlsted in the army and Liu Wen waiting for him. SIWON PLANS TO MARRY WHEN HE IS 35 AND LIU WEN will wait for each other.
I love their interaction in English ! Siwon's English is pretty good :)
Genius Apin! You've made our new name sticked to the vid!! So cute!!^^ I came here at this hour bcs it's been 12 hrs and many people might have watched it... I was so worried when translating yesterday bcs of the misunderstanding they had toward each other... I was so afraid that if I made any mistakes with my translation, I would bring misunderstanding toward Siwon... It's such a relief to see most comments could understand both of them and are looking forward to the next episode!!^^ ✌🏻️😁✌🏻
Mia Qin hahah... welcome here again mia mia... kkkk... since we're cute, we need to have cute nickname as well xixixix ...and finally I made it!! as credit and stick on the vid... ^o^ yeah, there are a loooooooott of comment that I cant read them all. Thanks for coming here so u can answer some their quests.. pls come here more often hihihi... luuuuv you mia mia...^^ *im sure others love u too ;)
You both are great ! Thanks a lot for your efforts .
Mia Qin You do a great job ^^ Thank you so much
This is a real relationship....normal to get mad & happy!!Good for both of them express their feeling..Siwon don't lose this kind of lady!!Frighting...
Thank you for subbing! This episode/argument wasn't as bad as I thought, neither was the kiss (Siwon can't read that she changer her mind, but I'm glad he didn't initiate that and force it on her like I thought, I was expecting the worst. Even though that unaired kiss was cute and I wish they had left the actual cuteness instead of giving us this to create drama with. :/ ).
I also find it interesting how Siwon and Wen both think the other is upset or disappointed. They want more, but more of different things. He wants her to open up to him more, not really just skinship but with anything, it's like he wants her to communicate so he knows what she's thinking or feeling. She wants him to stop making everything this big production that she has to interpret and just be more real with her. He doesn't get that she wants the simple, he knows it's her first time dating so he wants to make their dates awesome, but he's overdoing it. She doesn't get that he's that kind and cheesy a lot of the times, especially because his seriousness freaked her out last time so he kept joking. He doesn't get that his jokes are either pressuring her or she's misunderstanding them or they're making her feel like nothing matters to him at all (a continuation of their first fight from the last episode).
It's interesting, and I still feel that the producers gave this kind of relationship to them, probably because of Liu Wen's actual lack of dating history and how Siwon comes across as this larger than life prince....
But I still find more adorableness in their real life friendship (the bts for the next episode with the fight look all kinds of adorable, whereas the actual episode has them fighting quite badly) than in the actual episodes (1 and 2 I thoroughly enjoyed, aspects of 3 and 4 were too weird and forced to me). I just hope they let them be more real in future episodes because this was just OKAY LET'S CREATE DRAMA HERE, when it was going so well.
Again, I know it's a realistic situation, but in the context and with the outtake kiss, it was just a weird unnatural plot device to make them both misunderstand each other (and i guess so the next episode has a focus).
I honestly want to see Liu Wen and Siwon go back to getting to know each other without all the weird pretenses, so I hope this gets better in future episodes.
Thanks again for subbing and uploading this!
Hmphry A so long explaination
I really like Siwon ~ Luiwen couple. They look good together and they seems so real. I like them to be more comfortable with each other. I hope everything will be fine for next episodes. I want Luiwen to be happy and also for Siwon. Even though they're just a virtual couple but it seems they're unique from the other. They encountered more tension , awkwardness & the fight thing ( idk) but it seems like they showed the real feelings they had. What a perfect match to be. The Prince who had it all & the gorgeous Top model with her simplicity & true heart. I wish best of luck with them. Hope Won~Wen WGM couple show make more episodes. I was being inspired with this two. a unique story in wgm china~korea. Daebak! #siwon #luiwen #wonwen #wgm
Finally.. thanks @alvin goodgirl. I just love this two.. They are matured and love every conversation they had. Its really show how Liu wen afraid that Siwon will hurt her feeling and Siwon really sincere towrd her.. Awwweeee... This is what relationship should be like.. I mean the WGM show, no scripted. Anyway, for eps 5, I think I will cry. By just watching preview for eps 5, I already cried a bit. I doesn't know why, but I just hate it, when a perfect and loving couple get into fight. Huhuhuhu.. But after eps5 both they relationship get stronger and better.. hehehheeh.. keep the Wonwen ship sail!!!!!!!
I really think the fight is fake under hidden camera. As siwon said there are walls in front of liu wen and he needs to break it. I think next episode he is trying to push Liu Wen to a point that she will finally admit her feeling toward him. That's why in the preview he keeps asking her "do you like me?". Also for the kiss, siwon kissed her twice. One time Siwon wears the heartbeat tester (in this episode), one time Liu wen wears it (in the EP4 preview), but only one is aired.
When the friends were like "She like Korean boys" the first thing on my mind immediately was ...what if there is a poster of Won Bin or Lee Minho inside of her wardrobe?
the girl wearing blue dress is so beautiful 😍😍😍😍
Siwons trying to be too glamorous, I agree with the girls point of view!
I think I am missing something ... maybe it is lost in translation ... or in culture, but I am not understanding why Siwon is not showing a little more patience. He seems to be pushing too hard for Liuwen and then gets frustrated. Could someone help me understand?
I feel like there's a lack of communication from them both. Liuwen doesn't feel "THAT" way for Siwon 100% because like she says, she's not sure if he's acting a certain way just for her, or if he's acted this way to other girls before. Siwon on the otherhand, does seem to push too hard for her to like him, but I think because liuwen doesn't show/allow much skinship between them yet, he probably feels as is she isn't interested in him at all ~~ even though she is.
SolaScriptrua (Also throwing it out there, they filmed a different version of the kiss that was in the preview for ep 4 that is a thousand times more gentle... honestly feel that this show is making it ~more dramatic because it's partially scripted, like all variety.) But there is a miscommunication for sure. Though she agreed to the kiss on the cheek, she wasn't ready, her friends kind of goaded her into agreeing. Siwon only realizes after the fact that it was a bad call, and I'm glad he feels like he blew it because he so did. But also, I don't think he'd be so pushy irl. Not because it's not his image (though it's really not his image), but because of how weird the editing (with the captions, and the pretending they know what he's thinking of when they have him think of her victoria's secret modeling work or when he's an idiot and tries to go into her closet) seems, like the last few had their unnatural bits but felt more genuine and this one is so all over the place. The ending is interesting though because he feels like he blew it (he kind of did), she still wants to know that he's serious and not just putting on a fairytale show (this is fair criticism tbh) - neither get that both are into the relationship because so much miscommunication, and they both feel like they really disappointed each other. It's a realistic situation, but parts of it really come across forced... I don't know if I'm making any sense. But yeah, I don't think the lack of patience is Siwon but where this show wants to go with this couple because the show usually has a direction and it's up to the celebrities to figure out how to execute it but it's still not actually them, even if it's not entirely scripted.
SolaScriptrua (Also for why he was disappointed...If you mean the end, he was disappointed in/angry with himself for missing that she felt uncomfortable until he was already kissing her cheek. If you mean why he's disappointed that she's still shy with him... He said he understands that it's her first relationship and that she's very traditional, but he also said that he'd be okay taking it slow but he literally doesn't know how she feels (because she consented to the kiss but then resisted when he tried it). I think it was a bundle of feelings. I don't think he's mad at her as much as he's upset that she doesn't seem to like him at all. But again, all these feelings/scenarios should be taken with a grain of salt because this show is still very planned and partially scripted.)
SolaScriptrua yup thats true. looks like for Siwon this is just a program (which it is) but for Liu Wen, being the pure and innocent girl that she is (which i love), she takes everything and does everything genuinely. Siwon should just understand that even if this is just a program, Liu does not have any experience when it comes to dating in general... so everything's a "first" for her which needs to be special in all aspects. Too bad they look good together
blackpearl ky I agree! I mean, I think Siwon's trying, but his interpretation of special is making everything more fairytale when Liu Wen wants everything more real, she cherishes the simple moments and Siwon thinks the larger than life moments are what makes things special. She's appreciating the gesture but wants some realness because it just seems like an act. And yeah, I think the show is kind of scripted and sometimes unnaturally so, but I think Liu Wen is genuine because she's not an actor and Siwon's kind and sincere but probably acting some of the time, so there is definitely some discrepancy there.
It looks like they've formed at least a friendship irl but I guess we won't know if that's real until they interact after the show is over. (I hope they date for real lol.) And ughhh, they look TOO good together, it's insane. (I laughed so hard when her friends called him a feast for the eyes and spent the entire time WonWen were cooking just admiring how amazing they looked.)
I actually can relate to how Liu Wen is feeling. I really like the two of them together, hope that they can really work sth out:)
Thank you for your time and effort to sub this show I don't know much about this couple but I'm beginning to anticipate them liuwen is such an innocent girl
somehow i feel like siwon just treat her like a joke.. :/
thank you so much alvin goodgirl for the subs!..really appreciate it..more power to you guys..
Aigoo oppa, Liu Wen is just shy and wanted to take things slowly like what real couples do. She's very pure. Oppa just need to understand her. Himnae! I just love the both of you
Although this is s variety show, but I can sense the genuineness between Siwon and Liu wen. They are taking it seriously. I do hope that they get together for real even though there seems to be obstacles between them. I can understand Liu wen perspective about her thoughts towards Siwon. After all he is such a larger than life figure, a man too perfect until questions of doubt will arise. Can't be helped actually. Hope that Siwon will be more patient and understanding and that they will end up together for real as a couple one day.
I just had a situation like this, a guy pushing the relationship when we were just starting to know each other... I didn't end good cuase I didn't like that....hopefully it will end well for this 2, I know it's just a show, but they make a damn good looking couple, and siwon IS a true gentleman, a good man for such an innocent girl, I hope he'll stop acting....can't wait for the next episode!
Liu Wen such innocent girl....
And Siwon try his best to be a good boyfriend.
They raised with different culture so it maybe there is few problem....
Episode 5!!😨😨😨
Thabk you for your amazing subs and your hard work!🙆
Siwon is a little naughty.
Tomisha Childs Right haha!! He's obsessed with the fact that she is a Victoria's Secret model Lol
Omg why am i so worried over these two. The only way to happy ending is for them to fall in love in real life. I kinda pity siwon because he must feel really burdened somehow.
Thank you for the subs :)
I can't wait for the next episode because of that preview !!!
ahhhh!!!! I can't wait for the next episode! It's been obvious that they're on different wavelengths, and they really need to lay it all out on the table, and I'm glad they're finally going to do it. I can't wait! I am on Liuwen's side but I can understand Siwon's perspective too. I'm really curious how it will play out
Damn her friends wouldn't shut up and kept making him nervous.
Do you guys know one of liu wen's friend is a MISS WORLD...Zhang Zilin
Yes, she is pretty and speaks excellent English.
which one? dress blue?
thank u veryyy much apin and miaa,thank u for ur hardworking to make it true. may God bless both of u :)
omg the next episode looks quite nerve-wrecking... i wonder what happened.
I totally understand how liu wen feels about it, its because this is a programme but she feels like it should take the course of a real relationship where everything has to be slowly built up and not forced. On the other hand, siwon wants to make things comfortable for liu wen who is quite an introvert, hence he takes the initiative to tell jokes and do things for her. But liu wen is really taking things seriously, i do hope siwon can give her more time, and not say things like there's no hope, even though he's joking but i think liu wen does feel sorry that she can't express the same amount of love that siwon has given her.
Wow thank you very much, this is a really interesting episode. Siwon feel like Liu Wen didn't like him again hahaha. Poor Siwon, don't worry Liu Wen's Oppa, she like you a lot and want to make you happy all the time.
Hoping they can be a real couple...Liu wen such a pretty and simple girl although she is one of the highest supermodel. And siwon so sweet. Ohh I don't care it's just a variety show..for me they r so wonderful together.
Awwwww the next episode gives me chills!!! >.< I hope they will show the whole fighting scenario on Sunday and not just on the preview.
Thank you guys!! U're amazing ❤❤❤
omg i hope the can understand each other clearly, that Liu Wen want Siwon dont behave like K-drama and treat her as a real boyfriend and i hop Liu Wen can know how Siwon disappointed when she deny him >
Is it just me or did it seem like the girl in the blue dress was flirting a little to much? >:(
alice Lockwood she's married, don't worry too much, haha
yes , she is married but i did get the feeling that she wanted to be noticed by siwon, i believe she is siwon's type more than LW.
Jane Tan If LW looks like a 10/10 than the girl in the blue dress is 20/10 xD .. but that's why she is miss world. (From a guys perspective)
+alice Lockwood Though it's possible she could have flirted to gauge Siwon's reaction and see whether or not he's truly a good guy for Liuwen
Like no other WGM couple..this two have this connection..like..they are SOOO REAL!!!!!!!...
seems like siwon just follow the script.. i don't see the "love" between them as couples.
Thanks mia💜for subbing this w your heart
Thank you so much Alvin and Mia ♡♡♡
I personally don't think either of them are at fault in their miscommunication...I just think that they have two very different ideals about how one should be in a relationship and what is or isn't acceptable. Ppl r saying that Siwon is being too aggressive but Song Jae Rim was twice as aggressive and him and Kim So Eun got along really well and were one of the most popular WGM couples. It's all a matter of preference and compatibility and I'm not sure that these two r compatible.
Siwon is really conservative in his thoughts to... they both are 😀
Anw.. Thx so muchfor sub, gals :) u r simply amazing....
the tall girl in blue is hot
MattSynyster miss world 2007.
i got this feeling siwon would be more attracted to her than LW.he just thinks LW is a good catch bcos she is an innocent and nice girl but the attraction is not really there
No shit she married tho already got dicked on
Until she opens her mouth, she sounds like a bimbo matchmaker.
Thanks for subbing this episode
I started watching cos of siwon but why is he like this ahhh
I am 5 years Late for this!!! But Oh well, they look good together. 💛Liu is really traditional and conservative and for Siwon as a guy who treats her as a Princess yet being misunderstood by his gestures. He is a gentleman, but kinda moving fast to phases. 😂 Liu is not used to it 😂
thanks for your hard work girls! I can't wait for next week and the big 'fight' lol
im very worried that liuwen cant get out when the show is over.......siwon is doing like most variety shows.but ill be very heart broken if liuwen starts taking it seriously
Thank you so much! Thank you also for the explanations that you write in the comments, its are really useful to understand everything well~!
Thank you! Really appreciate your hardwork
I don't know how to ride bikes either, so I understand how hard is to learn once you are a grown up. Still, it never hurts that a Siwon tries to help you.
First of all ... i wonder how many Flowers she got by now because he braught her flowers like everytime the met. And i think it's really funny that Liu Wen is one of the top Models of the World but got that much of balance problems and can't ride a bike or is tone deaf :'D it just shows that She is a normal Person and is not Flawless just like many people would think. Average person confirmed.
Thank you so much for subbing and sharing it with us
I want to watch the next episode!!! I like the girl but she tends to be really shy and cold towards Siwon that it makes me mad :c
Thank you very very VERY much for subbing!!!
Thank you for your hard work, you are the best!!
Honestly I can't wait for next week!! Seeing Siwon angry s the best things thats ever happen to me in Suju's case! =) Wen I understand her feelings very well.. hang in there girl! You are a gem! If he is not your man then there is a deserving one waiting for you out there =*
She is shy. He is her first relationship , it seems sweet. Now they are married and happy
Thank you , thank you Alvin and Mia.
he is evil, didnt even help her clean up. she seems a very good girl
wow... they are just good together.. thanks for sharing this video.. can't wait for next episode.. i hope they not fight and have fun while filming this program..feeling not good to see they fight...
I feel like Liuwen is so genuine and she actually developed feelings where as Siwon always seems half interested, half not. I mean.. Liuwen is beautiful, established, kind, bright.. I don't get why Siwon doesn't show the same chemistry back to her. It just seems like he's doing it strictly for entertainment. Is he perhaps gay? lol you never know.
thank you for this episode :-)
alvin goodgirl Thank you for uploading episode 4. It's so sweet. Just wondering if you know the title of the theme song and if you know where I could purchase it? I heard it is sang by the Korean singer, 'The One'.
It seems as though she's not rlly into it, Siwon is being really nice I feel.
Even though im just watching, my heart felt the pain for both of them. 😧😧😧 they misunderstood each other 😳😳😳
As someone who have an aggressive BF like siwon I get what liu wen feel. But after hearing my BF side I get it now. Guys need reaffirmation that the girl do like him back. Gifts might be good and all but affection is needed. I think siwon is just asking a little close affection. They are suppose to be BF and gf. Give or take they don't know each other well but from his view he might feel like she doesn't like him as much or embarrassed to call him her BF. Even if she say she's happy. She's not showing it as much. As for siwon being pushy not taking a "no" at face value it's because he want to find that hope. For the longest time my BF thought I was ashamed of him because I didn't give him public affection.
Thank you so much for the subs! I think Siwon should have kissed her hand instead after seeing Liu Wen being uncomfortable - it would have been a compromise for both but would have been cute. Still loving this couple and hope it all works out well. And Liu Wen's home is really pretty!
Oww darling you're so amazing thank you so much sweetheart
ahhh how can i forget that siwon really like skinship 😄😄
Liu Wen is so pretty.
can u give me the name of the first song in this ep? the opening song. many thanks ^^~
Siwon is doing it wrong
Fatim Zahra variety show
i hate those people who come to someones house even though its a friend...sit down n starts demanding...
Liuwen no hubiera invitado a la amiga de azul, se ve muy cazadora. A las amigas de lejitos
Thanks for the subs you are the best ^-^
Than you thank you so much...love you girls ummm when is the next ep.???
What is the song in the beginning? Please tell me:)
tks for your eng sub
This is sooo scary that Liuwen treats this personally, i mean the whole boyfriend-girlfriend situation. What happen when the show ends? Did they brief Liuwen on what this is all about? But then, i hope they'll be together off cam, i want them to be together ♥
If that's Siwon's irl he's a blubbering mess haha it's cute though,
Omg SIWON and the underwear
'Underwear?'
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.