Is Religion Dead?
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- Does Philosophy Need Religion?
Philosophy and religion might seem as incompatible as peanut butter and raw garlic. But what if understanding religion from a philosophical perspective could actually illuminate some of our deepest cultural and social values? We’ll explain in this Wisecrack Edition: Philosophy and Religion: Friends or Enemies?OL: Does Philosophy Need Religion?
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I had a course at university called Man, Religion, and Society. The first day, the professor said "We are not here to study whether these beliefs are true or not. We are here to study why these beliefs persist despite overwhelming evidence of their lack of validity." There were 150 students in that session. There were less than 30 by the next session.
That’s a class I’d have loved to take.
@@TheIronWaffle because of the dramatic drop off you might actually get tuition?
@@TheIronWaffle same
i love college!
One of my sociology professors had a class like this. In my country's biggest city, he had a lecture with 150-200 people. It was on the history of racism and its contemporary impact.
Right in the middle of the lecture, a ton just stood up and left.
I remember being 11 and praying/apologizing to Jesus for repeatedly listening to "Pisschrist" by Fear Factory but hoping he'd understand that riff rips.
Our god is a god of dank riffs.
@@WisecrackEDU your god is gay fuck you
I hadn't laughed this much in a while😂
The title of the song comes from a painting that that Sister Wendy Beckett described as "what we are doing to Christ." That song and Resurrection (from Obsolete) are actually part of my personal Good Friday and Easter devotionals.
He forgive you
Man, I used to feel terrible about sexuality in general. As it turns out, I was just a teenager and not a sinning degenerate.
U sure😂?
@@hishamsaifudeen8000 Ok, I am a sinning degenerate, but not because I was a teenager.
In the past people used to be negative about sexuality because of religion but now people are negative about it because of feminism instead.
At least male hetrosexuality is always seen as a bad thing in western media and society nowadays and its never seen as a normal or positive thing anymore.
@@CyberLance26that's a weird way to say you're upset that toxic masculinity is being challenged
@@CyberLance26It‘s only seen as bad if the person isn‘t gay or trans. Then it‘s the greatest thing ever!😅
Don’t thank us for watching, thank yourself for making good content
I grew up Mormon. The tears I shed over masturbation could put out forest fires.
But even that was nothing compared to trials of coming out of the closet. Those tears should have caused a second flood.
Hopefully, you are free now. Free from, the Abusive Control. And free to live, as yourself.
Proud of you for making it through all that buddy!!!!!
Honestly that is just so sad.. I have been thinking about it and in many ways I was ashamed growing up of my sexuality since I was constantly bullied when I was little about how guys aren't supposed to like guys. I still remember how when I was 5 I tried kissing my dad and he just pushed my forehead back so I couldn't even touch him instead of telling me he was uncomfortable.
I also grew up Mormon. And it was queer stories like yours that got me to eventually leave, as well. How could I support leadership and/or a God that knew the gay community was literally killing itself and STILL continued on with its hurtful approach??
Oh jeez, that is so heartbreaking to read. Hope you guys are doing well now!
“Diarrhea is bad, and once we don’t have the s**** anymore, we don’t need the pepto anymore” very poignant and well said lol
What I don''t understand though is that Marx calls for doing away with injustice so religion is no longer nessecary, but Jesus said the same about doing away with injustice and yet here we still are after 2000 years and needing the Pepto...
Classic argument from diarrhea fallacy. I am smart. 🤓
@@utubepunk best fallacy since the Gish Gallop
To add, a major part of injustice is always going to be the way people use faith to get people to act against their own interests. We've come a long way in 2000 years, but we'd probably have come even further if we had a real moral leader who actually cared about people also live for those 2000 years pointing out "Not that" to all of the pretenders who just want your dollar.
The only way a religious adult can get to you, rather than push you at worst into a type of orphanhood, is when the adult is surrounded by all sides with socialist adults who tell you to take authority for granted. So you are able to take parental authority as granted, when any normallly developed human or animal would take NON-authority for granted.
Existential angst comes from the basic teenage understandng of the fact, that WE CANNOT simply follow the orders and way of life of our parent, we can only recreate it within our own selves. This is the responsibility that atheists find existential comfort in avoiding, blaming the society that made religion its scapegoat in enslaving you. Dont get me wrong, they are AT FAULT, but blaming them is a whine, self-victimization. Like a cat, which don't meow unless taught to act like kittens towards their owner.
The Christian responsibility is to pass on the undertanding that you CANNOT control your chilldren. The umbilical cord IS broken, all these euphemisms stating otherwise is secularization, and the cults draw from their SECULAR side to justify that pretense. There is a reason God is named FATHER, what a father IS, and not the blind allegiance as the secular world tries to teach you is the ROLE of a father.
Fathering is casting the SEED, not celebrating your single mom on father's day. When YOU say God is bad for being a father, that is based on the "fathers" you know from material life that are doing something completely different. You're throwing PARENTS under the bus, for molding YOUR society to be parental and authoritarian, as you double down in casting even more iron into that mold.
As a religious and practicing Catholic, I enjoyed this video. I can't say I agreed with every point, but I enjoyed listening to the provided perspectives on religion and its impact on society. Thank you, Wisecrack.
I thought it fell flat in some areas, but it was interesting to see nonetheless.
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Agreed, I love hearing perspectives outside my way of engaging The Divine and a Christian and Benedictine Oblate. I don’t agree with everything and I have a deeper appreciation for what I am about as well as those outside my tradition.
I fit absolutely nowhere. Atheists and agnostics usually hate my theism, and I’m usually a blasphemous heretic to Christians lol. I like, and don’t like things from many philosophers. Yeah I never fit the mould of running from counter arguments, I like hearing them too. There’s no such thing as a logically airtight worldview that doesn’t run into problem spots. Only the pure agnostic can’t really be picked apart…but that’s because they are simply punting and saying “I have no idea.”
How did you become a Catholic? Were you raised one like I was?
I'm lucky I never took religion seriously even as a child, I viewed it more as a cultural or traditional thing. Like it's fun to dress up nicely and sing songs with other people and see my friends at church. It wasn't until I was about 15 that I was like "wait, people actually take this seriously and believe it?"
Of course without it there is no meaning in the world, I believe in it and will continue to do so because I believe there are good philosophical and historical arguments.
To be an atheist would be no life at all for me, I would become nothing but a shadow of nothing.
I definitely recommend reading some Pascal and Kierkegaard they be mein Nigga's👍
(Also if you want something a little bit more modern David wood is a compelling dude to look into as well here on TH-cam)
@@TheEverFreeKing that is great that this works for you.
While it is great that people find meaning and purpose within religion, if does not make a certain religion valid.
The issue is when religion is used to discriminate against people like the LGBT community or try to dismiss science like the theory of evolution purely because the book that gives the person a purpose says something different.
As an atheist, I have found purpose in many things in life and it saddens me when people think that their life has no meaning behind it other than religion.
@@TheEverFreeKing sure. Believe in whatever works for you and makes life meaningful, but just make sure it won’t harm you and people around you. The issue with most religions is that they say crazy things about certain people and create a lot of unnecessary pain, shame and conflict.
@@Nb-ll8kpI mean from your framework validity wouldn't really matter because nothing can matter in any sense.
You're under your own illusion of value and it's not a consistent one.
If there is a God then things can have value and things can be beautiful and meaningful if there is not we might as well just kill ourselves or we should lie because truth has no value.
I have no hatred for people in this world and want everyone to be happy, I just know that on the whole humans can't do it without a leap of faith.
I'd say the only religion that is problematic in this day and age would be Islam people greatly exaggerate the problems other religions pose in this modern-day.
In some sense it's almost like Islam is a punishment from God for believing we could have meaning apart from him in a poetic sense.
I think it's more rational to believe meaning given from any God even Poseidon then to for one moment believe you can obtain meaning for yourself, truly that is the most absurd proposition.
I would say please look into these philosophers, c.s. Lewis is another good one, very adept at exposing the vacuous nature of atheism.
@@alexminsky1 agree causing pain to others is wrong but most religions seeks to alleviate suffering not cause it.
The Only exception is Islam in this modern day and perhaps even historically in a wider perspective.
People are often misled about the history and effects of religion, there are people who seek to demonize it seemingly for its own sake perhaps out of bitterness.
Part of me thinks a new spiritual Awakening is inevitable as people understand that they can't do it by themselves.
Atheism and secularism, as it has done in the past, is on course to cause a suffering worse than anything humanity has suffered in its past, it shall strangle itself and it will be a horrible sight to see, regardless of its inevitability I'll be crying because so much will be lost even apart from it.
My tears are for everyone.
We are all human and that can be no gratitude and being Cassandra.
Cassandra was a woman blessed by the gods to see the future but cursed never to be believed.
She saw the sack of Troy in a vision but no matter how hard she tried to warn people they could not heed her warning.
When you know what I know you can't help but cry for the well-being of others.
Please don’t put Bill Maher as B-roll for “public intellectuals.” 😅
More intellectual then your tard ass, that’s fosho
perhaps it was sarcasm. it happens here.
I second this, but it's fine if it's sarcasm.
Why not
He quoted Anita Sarkeesian here the other day so I don't even know what the standards here are supposed to be..
Kind of tangential, but I rarely get the opportunity when I can use it.
I miss being “agnostic curious” and engaging with friends of various faiths about the whole mishigas. I was even supportive of my sister who went Full Orthodox (Jewish) because I knew well she needed *something* to structure her chaos.
Then she moved to Israel and it got more intense. Still I maintained that view for sixteen years, biting my tongue and trying to be a head check when… never mind. Let’s just say, I’ve watched her use religion to cripple three (or maybe all four) of her kids. I watched her make educational, social, and psychological decisions that regularly put their well-being far behind her desire to keep them in the silo. It crippled education, their varied natural talents, their desire to learn (not just school stuff… anything). It’s dispiriting to behold.
Eventually, after being unable to gently push back on their casual racism and the sort of “superior race” views that I find so toxic in our own society, I backed away. Piety ≠ morality. Faith, like anything, can be relied upon to excuse so many immoral actions (and inactions) but with a sanctified, non-negotiable air that demands acquiescence by others.
I’m still agnostic (it’s baked into me) but I can’t engage anymore. I’m so dispirited about what I’ve seen - both from family and, you know, reading and all that - about the devout that I have zero tolerance for it in my own life. I don’t see that as a good thing either and hope “it’s a phase.”
Deep down, I still believe
“a little belief/faith goes a long way” and can offer some psychological scaffolding. But a lot of it? Dunno. And when it gets to the place where it’s zero sum because people who’s differing faith is an existential threat to your own faith? It’s dangerous. And it can disguise itself in such passive little comments and cloaked in piety phrased so agreeably that it’s easier for most to play along and ignore the self-evident subtext. Lord knows you can’t negotiate with dogmatic people… but they’ll pray for you.
Okay. Hope I remember how to find and delete this.
How’s your sister and her kids now?
Theirs an overlap between people who destroy their lives with chaos, and destroy it by essentially becoming zealots. doesn’t Matter what it is gambling, drugs, religion, racism, money, they’re going to go off the deep end. Mainly because their lives are unfulfilling so go even more extreme.
Interesting comment
Thanks for sharing! and i know how you feel!
Don't ever, it's a brilliant observation you've shared.
I grew up in a fundie family but am an atheist now. I used to have a pretty ambivalent view of religion because I saw how it helped my dad with anxiety and depression. I honestly think without it he'd be dead from suicide or self destructive substance abuse. That's anecdotal though. What I'm also seeing is how its weapon used against the LGBTQ community and is causing the same harm to them that it saved my dad from. Even worse politicians use the hatred and bigotry to gain power while advocating against the good parts of Christianity like welcoming strangers, helping the poor, pacifism and Christ's other egalitarian teachings. I don't like saying this but the American brand of Christianity is tipping more towards religion's negative aspects and away from it's positive aspects.
I agree and i see what you mean, there are many members in several religions that act hypocritical and pick and choose what they want to follow.
Well yeah politicians are jerks no matter what they believe in.
But there are reasons why Christians only recognize marriage as a covanental union between a man and a woman for the betterment of each other and the upholding of self sacrifice.
My cousin died and was constantly worried about climate change and the materialistic
The faith vs reason dichotomy would make for some great RPG stats. Imagine the possibilities
I side with the monk in Babylon 5 who said, "Faith and reason are the shoes on our feet." They are not opposites unless you take the Taoist yin-yang symbol as one of pure opposites. The seed of one exists in the heart of the other. Reason can lead to having faith in processes that work without our having to touch them, for one.
@@lysanamcmillan7972hat only works with a floating definition of faith though. People often use that kind of definition to for example say faith in gravity is the same as faith in a deity which is absolutely not the same thing as they're using very different definitions of faith there with one being a confidence that observed things will continue to be observed due to statistical likelihood of times it's happened vs times it has failed to happen, and the other being "just trust me bro"
@@lysanamcmillan7972that's nonsense
Your subclass is your religious sect/what kind of athiest you are
Fire Emblem Three House split White Magic and Black Magic into Faith and Reason
I grew up evangelical and one day my Pastor was spoken to by God with a message for me. I was called to become a pastor myself. After that I said sorry to God every time I J’d off.
Bless up.
@@WisecrackEDUnow every time I flog the dolphin I am gonna tell myself in my head to Bless Up! XD
When I imagine the Abrahamic god, I imagine him to be Morgan Freeman. 😂😂
He's god
Poor Morgan. He’s too nice to be that vengeful guy. 😂
I was looking for this comment because I knew I can't be the only one
Danny Glover for me!
Yes, imagine him drowning his own creation.
Wow this is probably one of my favorite videos of yours!
Been watching you guys for a little over a year now, but never had the urge to comment.
Great work!
One of my favorite episodes of TNG was "Rightful Heir," in which Worf, while on a spiritual retreat, is approached by what at first seems to be the reborn Khaless (i.e., basically Klingon Jesus), only for him to turn out to have been a clone of the original. At first, this causes Worf to spiral a little bit, only for a conversation with Data of all people to make him realize that faith had a value on an individual level that went beyond whether or not the thing you believed in was literally true (or true in exactly the way you thought it was supposed to be). This speaks very much to this idea of religious faith, and the study of it, being much less about whether or not something is true in the purely objective sense and more about what its existence means with regards to humanity and those who hold it.
These are the discourses on religion that i love as an atheist. Not just crudely debating about sky daddy but how we engage with it and how it relates to us.
Yeah. I love sociology of religion, and ethnography of religion.
Yeah, but it's NOT REAL. It's made up. How *does* nothing relate to us? It doesn't.
@@katie.g. "Humanizing" makes it seem like that necessitates making humans seem more people-y and less object-y.
If anything, learning how humans 👥👥👥👥 interact with religion 🗄 makes them seem the most deterministic objects ever.
Other parts of them make them seem much more like people.
We might differ on whether or not a God does exist but I can respect that you are still interested in the subject
I will now exclusively refer to god as "sky daddy"
As a philosophy major who has been studying literally all of the classic philosophers youve cited in the video throught the course of my degree AND identfies as a christian, this vid really struck a chord with me.
While reading Kierkegaard, I got the impression that he argued that not only does faith help in accepting truths that operate outside of our current understanding, but that it operates as a varitable next step in said understanding. Operating as a knight of faith almost feels like an admission of the limitations of the capacity for human comprehension, and as I read it, for Kierkegaard at least, god almost works as a conduit between what is knowable by humans, and what isn't.
This is my defense for my faith whenever people in my department ask how i can both practice philosophy while still being pretty religious. As unsexy as it sounds, I do believe there is a limit to what I as a human being can understand. While I thirst for knowledge and try my hardest to expand upon that knowledge, the notion that I could ever know all there is to know feels a little arrogant; almost like an ant believing it could ever understand the LHC. For me at least, my faith in god and my personal relationship with god operates as a way to acknowledge my own cosmic limitations, and engage with the reality outside of what analytic philosophy can understand.
Ik im sounding a little esoteric, and I'm not sure if this makes much sense. This isnt to discount the utility of being able to analyse and critique philosophical concepts, or to diminish the value of studying the world on a humanistic level, but in Kierkegaardian tradition, its a way for me to feel comfortable with my own existence, and come to terms with the cosmic limitations of human understanding.
On the topic of this comment, Science and Religion are also seen as at odds of each other but I view science as the mechanical workings of the universe, and god.
If the universe was a computer, then science is the act of opening up the computer to see how the computer works, code is everything we don’t or can’t know because you can’t see code from just opening up the physical computer, and god is the dude who built and coded the computer.
We made Gods of the things we did not understand and we still working at it. It is okay if we want to call God that which we don’t understand about the universe but when we start assigning all kind of made-up qualities to that God is where the wackos come in.
@@miguelrosado7649 the wackos came in way before We even started forming tribes
@@typemasters2871 This is the WatchMaker Fallacy.
It's not a valid way to think. The way you see the Universe is illogical.
Don't worry, you'll never make sense defending your religious beliefs. It's absolutely illogical and nonsensical.
Which god did you pick? The Christian one?
Why not be a Muslim, since that's the most updated branch of the Abrahamic belief?
Why not be a Hindu?
The Leap of Faith and Pascal's Wager are for cowards.
Stare into the abyss and accept your own meaninglessness in the grand scheme of this Universe.
Lols. Your god allows children to starve and suffer and get cancer. What kind of idiot asshole creates that possibility?
If a god was magical enough to create all of existence, this is what they gave us?
If any god did exist, I certainly wouldn't worship its piss-poor half-assed job.
Learning about Marx in my college sociology class (many years ago), it was very surprising to me how different the reality of his philosophy was from what I had always been TOLD his philosophy was.
Marx is misrepresented about literally everything he ever had to say.
Conservatives/libertarians lie about Jesus and Karl
Your engagement strategies are relentless.
Good job!
Had to go to church when I was a kid. Leading up to my confirmation i confided with my grandma that i had doubts. She told me to do it anyways, for my mother. That sealed the deal.
That ol' wink and nod belief "We're all participating in the same fiction here," kinda feel.
Sealed the deal which way, though?
I have been irreligious all my life. But I have always thought for myself that the religious have something I may be lacking, a sense of unity with the world, maybe, or a satisfied deeply rooted spiritual need. On the other hand, relying more on materialism than on spiritualism has served me well and has helped me lead a life full of curiosity and wonder. As always: Very interesting and engaging content. Thank you.
Most religious people are less prone to have a unity of the world perspective. Tbh the most ppl ik with that perspective are psychedelic users.
I guess it depends on what religion that religious person believes in. Having grown up evangelical christian and now am an agnostic atheist, I saw my worldview as a combative one. One that had to fight with the current beliefs of the world. The us vs. them mentality was very strong in my religious experience. Since leaving religion, I actually have a GREATER sense of unity with the world, seeing myself as a piece of the huge complex puzzle that is humanity, and ultimately getting rid of the us vs. them dichotomy.
I'm sure there are some religions that aren't as closed-minded as the type I experienced growing up, though. There's always at least one exception to every rule, after all.
I'm culturally catholic, nor religious at all, don't believe in god but there's wonder an awe in my life and family, i turned to arts and culture it's really awesome for humans to create even when apparently it's of no use, the dancing, painting constructing it's very cool! And having fun with my family, nieces and noticing time it's a terrifying blessing
Really i think of religious peope being more close minded and xenophobic
@@bed2149 that reminds me with that one person who took a psychedelic run is from The Good Place. That's a good show.
I was lucky enough to be raised agnostic; in that while my parents had their own beliefs, they only talked about it with me when I asked, and never pushed them on me. This gave me the freedom to figure things out for myself, and through rational thinking and study I decided that I'm agnostic...because I accept that there are some things we as humans simply cannot yet know. Not until they can be tested and scrutinized with the scientific method.
I appreciate you finding value in things you don't really believe in anymore. I think that's healthy. Personally, I'm a christian who was raised by Bible NERDS so I never really saw conflict between religion, science, and philosophy. They all worked together and anyone who said otherwise was probably a fanatic. There's actually a lot of deep biblical thinkers who try to make philosophical sense of the bible and figure out what it means for our ethics and way of thinking in the world and certainly know the historical background of it helps a Lot with this. I like to listen to the naked bible podcast for deep historical dives and interpretations and theology in the raw and holy post podcasts are pretty good for modern application. Listening to them makes me feel like there are still sane and kind Christians in the world.
for me, christianity's the only thing that's ever made sense to me and "feels right" and even though I have a lot of church trauma and shame about other members, the theology itself has never fully stopped making sense to me so I guess that's what I'm sticking with until proven otherwise.
Not only did I apologize with each J.O., I felt an overwhelming surge of guilt upon completion because most of my friends would outright deny that they ever even thought about it, and nobody in my family ever brought it up to me. But these days, I don't believe anybody who tells me that they don't/haven't.
A lot of people will lie about it and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No one is perfect, we all sin, we all slip up.
The goal is not to completely eradicate sin, bc that's something we as humans literally cannot do. It's about living our lives to honor the guidelines set before us as best we can, and knowing that by doing this, and maintaining our faith, the mistakes that we WILL make are still going to be forgiven in the end.
That's what I've come to understand in my time as a Christian.I know it's not for everyone so sorry for the TED talk 😅
I definitely believe some people don't/didn't. The only reason I did was because I sort of accidentally formed a bit of a habit/addiction that was dependent on specific conditions. That primarily being going to bed and having time after waking up when I didn't have to immediately get up. I never really sought it out. I was perfectly capable of abstaining from it under normal circumstances, but as soon as I went to bed the temptation to fantasize in order to fall asleep was too strong, and the temptation to do so in the morning was equally strong. But that habit formed almost by accident, and if it hadn't, I probably wouldn't really have ever masturbated (at least not until my world view and morality shifted).
@@willgray8139 Nah. The goal is to eradicate the idea of sin because that religion isn't true.
It's asinine, illogical, naive, and egotistical.
Sin doesn't exist.
Life is about living, not being worried and paranoid some sky daddy is counting your mistakes.
@@peterlewis2178 FFS, take some Personal Responsibility.
"I only beat off on accident."
This mentality is what's wrong with the entire planet.
@@lococomrade3488 As a former atheist myself, I can definitely say I needed someone counting my mistakes.
Most people who become atheists (including myself) become one because at the basest level their biggest gripe with Christianity for example is the perceived "restrictions" which are actually just instructions for a fulfilling life, and the behaviour of the horrible people that identify as "Christian".
Sin is very much real and it's literally like cigarettes for your soul. Think about why people smoke cigarettes even though they know they're bad for them. They think they need them to calm down after going through something (a bad day at work, a traumatic event, etc.) and some people just think they're cool or look cool. Sooner or later, it leads to an addiction and the addict is always gonna say "Nahhh man, I can stop whenever I want to" or "I'm gonna die anyways, so what if it's from cigarettes?". And so, you willingly poison yourself, slowly but surely. And so is the same case with Sin, which is the poison of your soul, it poisons your conscience and dulls it.
Looking back, it's incredible to me how ignorant I was about faith, so I'm not gonna judge you for not thinking about any of this, but what you said about religion is what I would probably say in the past, but nowadays I'm more likely to say that about the same atheism I used to practice.
Life is about loving others, making the life of others easier, being kind to others, helping others till they start to do the same. You say religion is egotistical but Christianity's main teachings are love and self-sacrifice for others. No true Christian is paranoid about God punishing them for making a mistake, a true Christian is sad that God had to witness that mistake. He doesn't want to punish your soul for eternity, he's literally the Father in the story of the prodigal son returning. He's an infinitely caring but strict parent, who will only smack you in the face when you're about to ruin your life or the life of others.
He doesn't need to give you an answer for what you assume is Evil, what you assume to be the worst outcome of some life situation is probably the best outcome possible.
God made a perfect world and gave you free will. What you choose to do with that is up to you. Don't blame God for "making you like this" when you're damn well aware you're doing something wrong. Don't say with absolute certanity that the world is a terrible, imperfect place that no God of infinite love would create, when you've never made a such a world in the first place, the world doesn't have to be perfect for YOU or in your eyes, it's perfect for what God has in mind. Understand the limits of your understanding.
Was not brought up religious, but the conflict between science and religion in the 90's "Science Wars" brought me originally into philosophy, so I do think that it at the very least can be a useful entry point into more profound thinking.
It is a false dichotomy that there's some conflict between religion and science this is such a western conception
Despite my dad being a pastor, I was never really a believer. I knew that there was something wrong with what I was being taught, but I couldn't put my finger on it. It wasn't until I was about ten that I started to realize that the Bible was just a book of stories, not the word of God. I asked my dad how we know that the Bible is true, and he got this psychotic look on his face, grabbed me by the short hairs and said, "Don't you ever, EVER, question the word of God. Do you hear me?" I knew instantly that the Bible was bullshit. I also knew to never bring up the subject again, and I didn't. That was the first, and the last time that I discussed religion with my dad.
Good you broke free of the nonsense, I was around religious people too. They all believe their version is right, they can't wrap their heads around that there are other wildly different religions. All fake made up stuff that hopefully the newer generations leave behind. Morals come from an evolutionary need, there is 0 need of God to be moral.
Ironically I'm watching this video while going to church. I was raised in a religious household but never knew there were people who thought Religion and science or reason were at odds with each other until I was nearly 17. It was a surprise for me that there were radically intolerant people in my own religion and that there were people who made a living "debunking" religion
Why wouldn't you not think that? Christians are the most intolerant immoral hate filled people in the entire history of Mankind. And the those that debunk religion are the correct people.
Same here, I still don't understand why people always oppose science and religion, they consider that the two can not co-exist.
And concerning the radical peoples In our own religion, unfortunately they make the most noise and many believers are leaving because of them and many atheist are becoming completely against religion because of them, and the worst part is that those radical peoples are not saying the truth, they spread a bad image of the religion and they need to stop.
Might have something to do with the history of what the church has done to scientifically minded people throughout the years and still doing btw
@@joebejjani3579 This. Both try to justify their stance with only an incredibly narrow view of the world.
Science is about figuring shit out.
Religion is about making shit up.
Obvious contradiction is obvious.
It should be said that the idea that “religion” is at odds with “philosophy” is a VERY modern, Western idea. Other non-Western philosophical systems made no such distinction
Feel like you're assuming morden is bad (the opposite). Also, it doesn't matter where it came from, western or eastern, if now, people around the world study it and come to the same conclusion.
Not only are you wrong but you are confident in your wrongness.
Depending on when and who we are talking about theology was seen as a subset of philosophy. It wasn't at odds with philosophy but that was because it was seen as subject to it.
@@alananimus9145 Hinduism recognizes six official philosophical schools. Some of them are atheistic! So 30secondsflat has a better grasp on the issue.
Same goes for ancient paganism. The biggest difference the monotheistic religions have to every other religion that exists and did exist, is the claim of "knowing the truth", "worshipping the one true, pure god" and having some holy book that tells you everything you need to know.
Its literally "turn your brain off and believe it otherwise you end up in hell". Christianity in particular even claims that that getting "enlightened" by the devil is the reason men fell from heaven. Like, this religion actively despises thinking and knowledge. Islam and Judaism are quite similar, even if not that on-the-nose. I was always like: If the perfect and all-knowing god wanted us to remain stupid, why did he gave us the ability to think for ourselves in the first place?
This religions dogma is the reason i considered myself anti-religious for most of my life, despite my desire for spiritualism. I finally found my spiritual connecting within pagan and buddhist tradition, mainly because there its about finding your inner self and not surrending to a god / dogma.
Religion is so much more than just the prominent monotheistic religions that are omnipresent within the western (and especially american) perspective.
@Alan Animus I don't think OP was trying to assert religion and philosophy's heirarchical relationship, but rather the non-distinction between the two in non-Western systems.
I agree with you OP and am surprised more folks aren't highlighting similar thoughts.
I think there's also an elephant in the room here which is an underpinning, unstated assumption that rationality is inherently superior to that which is beyond reason - another very contemporary, Western idea.
Wow as someone who is religious I really respected the thoughtfulness and measured approach taken by the video. The set up was perfect going through the history of the Philosophy of Religion. Rationalism and empiricism. The value of what we believe. Not whether we believe God exists, but the idea shared by many philosophers that humans have to believe and live their lives for That should not be ignored. It should be explored and can be discussed no matter your personal views as long as it's respectful to one another.
Not only did I think “god was disappointed”, but I would hyper-fixate on any bad thing that happened the next day, assuming I was being punished. Basically I convinced myself that anything bad/abusive I experienced was a result of my own actions because of “God”. I’m so glad I outgrew that nonsense
I wish you the best my dude.
Thanks for taking time to make these videos! I was first introduced to this channel via the Batman v Superman: What went Wrong (loved it...the critique, not the movie), and now several videos later, my wife and I are hooked! Also, as a Christian and ponderer of many things, I appreciate these type of videos as they are very thoughtful and witty. Two crucial ingredients to aid in wrangling my short attention span long enough to learn something!
I love how they put the spoilers alert, low key digging at some people
They put a spoiler alert for WWII in one of their older videos
To be honest, I feel that the study of why religions exist and what functions they form is an underrated topic(if one that's underrated for obvious reasons). No matter what you believe, it seems there is a deity-shaped hole in humanity's collective head, and the reasoning for what cultures believe and why is always worth investigating. Plus, religious iconography-well iconography outside Protestantism- just hits different.
And I think there's a beautiful madness to it, feels good to know deity watching over you and they got yo back, plus there's community too, there's really positives to this shit
Jordan B. Cooper and Bishop Barron are my favorite Christian thinkers. Anyone who wants to understand Christian thought should look these two up online. Bishop Barron is an especially effective communicator.
Organized religion as a whole is in decline, mostly due to the multitudinous scandals of so many sects. Spirituality is still very prevalent and may even be increasing.
At least in the US, spiritual but not religious is increasing, but alongside atheism and agnosticism. Both are gaining numbers from Christianity.
Religion isn’t in decline. In fact, now the opposite is true. Look up the stats
@AminTheMystic the *irrational* is *fated* to be in *decline.*
@@AminTheMystic Globally that could be the case because of where there is the most population growth. But as those countries develop, they will likely follow the same trends as high income countries in having less kids and becoming less religious. Religion will likely never go away completely though.
@@LumaSloth As religion isn't irrational, so it's safe.
I have a big appreciation towards referencing radical theology thinkers/atheist theologians. I think it’s often an overlooked area.
Awesome video! I love this kind of stuff. I was constantly in trouble at Sunday schools and Church when I was a kid bc I asked a lot of questions. I wasn't even being a smart ass or anything I just genuinely wanted to know stuff. I didn't understand why wanting to know more about God, Jesus and Mary and how they all fit in together (no pun intended) was a bad thing. At some point I just stopped asking questions bc I hated being in trouble. Then when I grew up, part of me wanted to keep going bc I felt obligated to keep going but I joined the army so it was kinda hard to rationalize what I was learning there with my religion so I stopped going. Then when I got out I started going to college and I eventually landed in a philosophy course which made me re-evaluate a lot of what I had learned in church and life and saw that a lot of things didn't fit together all that well so I eventually just walked away from religion entirely. I do still have some faith, you know, just in case ;-)
Religion is simply a vehicle to allow some to exert power over others. "Faith" is the tool used to prevent questioning of this.
Absolutely love your channel and content 😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
It's a false dichotomy hands down.
Reason is understanding the reality we live in.
Religion is the meaning we choose to give to the world.
You can ask how something works and why it works without any contradiction.
They both exist as tools for questioning existence, and no tools have no alignment, both can be as good or bad as the person using them.
You’re actually *making* them a dichotomy by even trying to distinguish them when there’s no difference between understanding and meaning. You won’t understand what you find meaningless, and will always understand more of what is most meaningful to you. Same process.
Asking why something works and then adopting an unsubstantiated belief about why something works is not an explanation of why something works. It's making shit up.
@@Telecritter78 The idea is that reason and fath are asking two different questions, how and why. There is no reason for them to be in opposition because they aren't answering the same question.
I wasn't trying to argue there was a difference between meaning and understanding, I was just using synonyms.
@@adamplentl5588 I feel like that is a valide argument, but then you have to answer the question can reason tell us why things happen? Is there any other tool we have that can help humanity ascribe meaning to existing? Can this meaning ever be proven? Does it need to be able to be proven to be a question worth asking?
Faith feels like a much better tool to tackle these problems then reason.
The real issues arise when you try to use reason to answer why and faith to answer how.
Hold on a moment, I need to remind myself the actual definition of a dichotomy, because otherwise this duologue just becomes a mess by using different definitions, one second.
I feel like sometimes we forget the vast majority of humanity is still very religious. Everyone being an atheist is only the norm in cities and universities
For now, I do earnestly believe the need for religion in the modern world as a way of coping with the unknown is dropping off quite nicely
@@dolphinsupreme1697unlikely though
That's still a bit of a generalisation, but okay.
@@dolphinsupreme1697love how you act like you don't live in a universe where your value might as well be space dust ,yet you act like you have all the answers. Fear the Creator who owns you, the last thing you want is make your only good moments of existence be completely ruined.
@@MGrey-qb5xz fuck your made up creator
Wisecrack should do a video where they go over the most commonly misunderstood points/quotes in philosophy and explores what they actually might mean with the proper context. @ me if y'all do! 😜
I know a lot of formerly religious people who left because a lot of organized religion has become clearly toxic (especially towards marginalized communities) and rather than being "exceptions" to hateful bigotry thinly disguised as Christianity, they will not support it with their membership. They still have the same beliefs and values, they just don't want to be a part of the abuse.
That’s good my dude. Left my church and my community when I realized the damage they were doing to lgbt people. I have not seen my friends in two years. I feel alone. But I don’t regret it. I did the right thing. The pastors keeps complaining on livestreams that less people are attending last I heard from someone else.
In a way they are being more true to the religion because it's supposed to be a more private and personal relationship with the divine. Big churches always ignored that.
My introduction to philosophy was a philosophy of religion course in college. It was probably the most fun I ever had learning
My philosophy of religion class lost half the students after day one. It was hilarious. Day two, we lost half of those. The rest of the semester was great.
I'm pretty sure it's a law of cosmic time that the only actor who can play God is Morgan Freeman, to whom God gave His own voice.
My christian frat had a group called BAM: Brothers Against Masturbation...
that is . . . beautiful. thank you for sharing.
My buddies had the “No Wack Pact” 😅
@@BlakeBaggott ammmmazing
@@BlakeBaggott i fucking can't XD
Religion may be dead, but subscriptions services are hella alive.
ain't that the truth.
You mean that email I got from G*d isn't real? My faith is shattered!
Gonna tell my pastor friends that tithing is just a first century subscription service and see how that goes.
@@benwaardenburg so true! do it!
I grew up a devout religious person, searched through multiple religions the answers to my questions. Thank god (all of them) for philosophy, because it is in philosophy I found the answers to all my questions.
I completely agree that Religion is way more about what people hold in high value. Many American Christians don’t realize that they worship their sports teams and their economy with more reverence than Jesus. I say that as someone that was a Christian minister for a previous career. Even some of my Bible professors at Uni said similar things.
I think religion can be helpful, but we as the ones that practice religion, be it Christianity or Communism or Free Market Economy or Republicanism - should evaluate the positive and negatives and try to minimize - if not eliminate the downsides.
Finally, something I can relate to. I, too, have had guilt induced post-wankery prayer sessions because of my Catholic upbringing.
But now, I can safely say that I have been born again and practice guilt free wankery.
Cheers to guilt free wanking.
The phoenix has risen
There's only one thing that should make you feel guilty for wanking it... and that's the verdict you get for doing it repeatedly on the bus
Happy wanking to you and all you hold dear
@@goosewithagibus fantastic double antendre😂
If religion is a reflection of our values, and we want to make the world a better place, then we need to first and foremost align ourselves with fighting climate change. It is an existential threat facing our species. If we want to survive, we need to have respect, and dare I say reverence for nature as a matter of survival.
As a man of faith, I find it abhorrent the lengths people will go to to use their religion to blindly follow and stay blind.
My faith as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has helped me think critically about every walk of life and every point of view I come across. I’ve been taught in my faith to use reasoning and to study things out and seek for understanding.
If I were to use my faith to say “I’m right, you’re wrong.” Or as an excuse to exclude myself from learning, that’s just tribalism and an incredibly close-minded way to live.
Personally, I think religion is important because of the commonality of right and wrong it provides to a society. This can be provided in different ways, whether it’s belief in government, leader, or some other head, but I find it much easier when that head is God, because the right and wrongs dictated are absolute when they come from a deity. Without a God, right and wrong are relative.
Part of this made me think of this quote from The Color of Magic by Terry Pratchett.
“Everyone has gods. You just don't think they're gods.”
your complete quote for marx was one of my notes that i took from the book 'god is not great ' when i read it yesterday .
Deconstructed and critically-thinking Presbyterian pastor here just to share a note of appreciation for how you respectfully you handled this topic. Thanks for making liminal space between the poles of “rational secularism” and “irrational faith” for everyone who finds themselves along that spectrum verses at the extremes!
Same! I was raised Christian but fell away, coming back to it after an encounter with the love of our God. Even then, I struggled heavily with reasoning more fundamentalist beliefs, but conversations like this one created a safe way for me to question the nature of our creation, and ultimately understand the hand of God more fully.
Religion is important for one simple fact: You are going to worship something.
Worship is nothing more than the act of giving something your focus. By focusing on it you are sacrificing your time and energy to it, regardless if your intent is for or against that thing.
Religion is the act of openly and actively defining that which you worship. Whereas if you do not engage in religion then you are not defining what you worship.
If you have not defined what you are worshipping then you are inherently worshipping your own pleasure.
So if you, right now, don't think you are worshipping something then in reality you serve an unnamed master. You follow him to your death.
As a Buddhist, I am actually very glad to be a Buddhist. A lot of stereotype be coming on my way like everyday but my life has been happier since I became a Buddhist.
Please don't do what Buddhists are doing to Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. Extreme genocidal tendencies exist in Buddhist monks who are leading the attacks
Then you should be a Muslim, it's pretty much the same thing except it drives you to be a true human, you will hate your life but you won't regret your actions in the afterlife
Because Buddhism is not normative
@@zainmudassir2964muslims think they have exclusive truths, Buddhist do not. Buddhism was extinct in Central Asia and India because of Islam military expansion.
So... Marx's quote is more like 'Religion is the copium of the masses.'?
not a bad re-translation.
“The bible is the key to good parenting”. Laugh my arse off.
More like, the bible is the key to incest parenting. BOOK OF JOB.
It really is lmao. This is coming from a fan of Richard Dawkins and his book the god delusion.
You fools make fun of the text without analysing it's deeper meanings.
@Sal3600 These are a very dismissive and arrogant lot.
seriously, a chunk of the bible is plagiarized from other fables like gilgamesh and buddha written to convince nomadic illiterate tribal people to stop killing each other, stealing and fucking livestock they needed to be told there was a god to control them and invent morality in human version 1.25 sadly we ended up with thousands of years of kings claiming to be the son of god returned until the greeks/romans invented democracy, christians still bitter about it 2500 years later.
@@Sal3600 please shut up. Truly an embarrassingly stupid comment.
amazing video !
Merold Westphal ftw. Good to see you're reading quality material.
I cried the first time I tugged it. Thanks Catholicism
did you . . . cry-max at the end?
Nancy Frankenberry has a great article on Feminist Philosophy of Religion at the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Covers a lot of ground and then does some closer reads of Luce Irigaray and Mary Daly. It's so good - and shows that it's not just guys who've contributed to this conversation!
When I teach the story of the binding of Issac, I always point out the subtle shift in the way Abraham is addressed about Isaac.
Before the near-sacrifice, it's "Your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love." (Gen 22:2)
After the near-sacrifice, it's "Your son, your only son." (Gen 22:16)
Since parallelism is a key aspect of biblical literary style, these kinds of moments are really key, and here it suggests that agreeing to the sacrifice, Abraham proved his inability to love his son. The Jewish tradition has interpretive traditions that see Abraham as a total idiot for agreeing to this; it's a cautionary tale. This kind of critical take doesn't emerge in the Christian tradition because the weight of it being an anticipation of Jesus's death closes down that line of thinking.
Oh, I’d love to see an episode on Mary Daly. I read a bit of her work back in the 1990s. From what I recall, she’s not an easy read though. It takes awhile to learn her language. Certain things stuck with me though, like the idea of a “necrophiliac” society that values war and profit over life itself.
Great work! Keen for you to cover the philosophical roots of Christian fundamentalism soon :)
I was a History Major and Philosophy Minor. Religion goes hand in hand with both, I took many religions classes because I think they are a great way to study how people of different cultures think, which is very important to philosophy and then plays out through history. I highly recommend to study as many religions as you can. They're all pretty interesting in their own way.
As Christian I agree with you, learning about others religion and other cultures is really important to understand life, or at least one aspect of life. And who knows, maybe there is truth in every religion?
Na! To much religious trauma from fucking Christianity. Go talk about your homophobic god elsewhere
You get some really interesting stuff from looking at what religious studies would term civil religion and how this affects government, politics, and culture. One big Ur moment for the outpouring of civil religion in America is the Civil War, in part because it created two very strong, competing civil religious movements of the Glorious Union in the north and the Lost Cause in the south. This lens also presents interesting phenomena when you look at how people view and talk about things like the Constitution, the American flag, and the monuments across DC. For the US specifically, there is a Christian underpinning to it, but it extends to the culture at large, independent of that.
I'd be curious to hear about civil religion in other countries.
The caricature (atleast from a western gaze) for us would be countries in the philosophical east ie. Middle East, Asia etc. They dont appear to conceive of “religion” as religion, more so it is just what existing is. Its not chosen or separate from the way of life, it is the way of life and is absurd to think otherwise. Now saying this, its easy to point to these cultures and nations that have been otherized and dissect their being. The more interesting insight, as you would have highlighted, is that the west also has a religious tone in civic life even if they would deny it; it is disguised to appear separate. This line of thought would do well in an ideology critique.
When you gave the example, i funnily thought of comparing it into a holy trinity. The constitution- the god, our Capitalist society- the holy spirit, and the Socio-political elite class as son. What do you think?
I am from and live in Greece. Here the official state religion is the Eastern Orthodox Church, which is taught in public schools, icons from the church are present in schools, hospitals, courthouses and public places in general and priests are being paid by the state ( viva the 21st century!! )
As I understand what you mean by the term ''civil religion'', here there is this idea that Greeks are somehow the chosen people of god and that god helps us as a nation. A lot of people believe (and some school textbooks suggest) that god has guided our country throughout history and will protect us from our enemies ( mostly Turkey ) if we continue to believe in him. There is this opinion being expressed by a lot of people that we shouldn't modernize ( separation of church and state, not having religious education in schools, legalizing homosexual marriage and adoption, teaching sex edu at schools) in order not to lose god's favor. A lot of people are also mad when others express being athiests or homosexual or trans, because they think this will make god mad to the whole nation. It is very common to see religious counter-protest to pride and the church having a hardcore stance on public matters. We have even seen church officials openly threatening public officials when they are more progressive and telling to the people that if they support a policy god's punishment will come.
But I would say these opinions become less common as years pass, but we still have a lot to do to become like a western European society in this sector.
I feel like the last few years have really solidified for a lot of ppl that if there is a higher power, it’s intentions for us aren’t very nice.
The Black Plague convinced a lot of people centuries ago
Maybe he ir roll back a couple of the plagues.
Thanks guys, I love your videos.
I think you should explore the ideas of Ernest Becker in his book "the Denial of Death" as well as the science of Terror Management Theory Explained in the book, "the Worm at the Core". You might actually learn something new Michael Burns.
I just have to say, as someone with severe misophonia I appreciate your audio quality so, so very much. It's just perfect. Never change it. I love you.
EXACTLY, no sniffles no lip smacks now weird inhales, I love it
Those quotes by Marx really contextualized what ive thought about the church for a long time: that churches are usually dependent on the suffering of others in order to put butts in the pews. Ive had people say that the best time for the church is when there is suffering (like the early days when believers were being crucified by Rome) and that God wants the world to suffer so that more will come to him.
This has been used as an excuse by conservatives for years to cut back welfare and to create a state of suffering so that more people will "come to Christ" (among other reasons). Of course this brings into question if people come to Christ because they want to ease their suffering or view suffering as necessary to get into heaven (as some have told me: "the path to heaven is hard") is it really by their choice at all? One could argue that if you had all your needs met and still came to Christ that you were more genuine in your beliefs, rather than cumming to have your needs met. Others have brought this up as well but its somewhat comforting (and horrifying) that this has been a thing for a long time and that others have come to this conclusion before me.
I think this would be an interesting topic to study more in depth, and im interested if there are books specifically about this. Im sure many evangelicals would argue that as long as you come to Christ (no matter the circumstances that brought you there in the first place) the "why" doesnt matter . Even if someone lied to you, made your life hell or forced you to come to church every weekend; as long as you became a believer in the end God doesnt care.
Of course this sort of thinking has backfired spectacularly and is one of the main reason why so many people have left the church (including me) i would argue. The ends definitely do not justify the means, but the church has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on this sort of philosophy and i truly believe that many would rather see the world burn than be a good example for others and bring in new people by being neighborly.
“We question all of our beliefs except for those that we truly believe and those that we never think to question” - Orson Scott Card
Excellent work here
God as an actor = Danny Devito, obviously.
praise our small lord
@@WisecrackEDU small king of kings!
I took philosophy of science in undergrad. We discussed religion in a some very critical ways. At the end of the semester, our professor has us guess if he was religious. We all guessed no. Turns out he was a Christian. I think there's plenty of overlap between religion and philosophy. Being religious doesn't mean you can't think critically or be open minded. Sadly, a lot of religious people tend to act that way though...
It would be cool if they showed some parallels in the science community. Like how people can become blasphemous by going against established thought and how some facts take such a long time to take hold because it goes against the belief system.
This. My dad went to bible college and one of his professors had multiple PHDs in different fields of physics, and also worked for NASA I believe. But yeah, most (openly) religious people I know are closed to a lot of things.
Nah, being religious is immediately close-minded.
If you're a Christian, then you deny Krishna. If you're Jewish, you deny Zeus. If you're Muslim, you deny Ahura Mazda.
Choosing one cult immediately closes your mind to any others, and if Science claims something that goes against your religious belief and faith, most people will choose to remain illogical.
If one believes in Noah's Ark, they are closing their mind to the fact that the story is highly impossible given the species we see alive today and in fossils.
What you should have realized was: *Teachers don't have to believe what they teach. They're not paid to agree with material, they're paid to teach it.*
@@lococomrade3488 sounds like you're being close minded tbh
@Mattastrophe Close-minded to Stone Age fairy tales? 🙄
Is it close-minded to tell you unicorns aren't real? To say Leprechauns aren't real?
Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Ghosts.. They're not real. These are myths. So are all religions. It's asinine to even consider them.
If you're so open-minded, when was the last time you sacrificed a sheep to Zeus? 🤷🏻♂️
I'll meet you at the next eclipse to eat shrooms and sacrifice a virgin for good crops. 👍🏼
The end made me feel so grateful for all the Sunday mornings I did NOT spend in church 🤘
I think religion works great as a value system and having something bigger than yourself to believe in to avoid feeling hopeless.
Even if a story about a man on a cloud is a bit ridiculous
11:06 so... Marx is saying "Let's make Heaven a place on Earth?"
beautiful.
wouldnt that be nice if it happened...
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Being a Nigerian I have seen this first hand where the people are more spiritual/religion incline than political and rational. A country where religion and "religious leaders" go unchecked, and unsupervised. And in doing so indoctrinate the people into getting what they want by offering salvation when they are the most corrupt and evil of them all.
As an American, I can definitely empathize. Same issues.
Bro South African here, what wrecked me when I was practicing religion was how insular it was, how they didn't go out and help the community, how helping people required them to come to church and testify there was always a price for their goodwill and I just couldn't agree with that.
Well Michael, because you asked for Christian guilt jerkoff stories, I've got a doozy for you. From 16-19 I had a kind of religious phase after growing up in a non-religious household. Went to bible camp one year. Part of the camp's activities was what they called YOYO (you're on your own) time, where for about 4 hours on one of the days, they send everyone out on their own to do some quiet reflection and prayer or whatever felt would bring them closer to God. It's in a beautiful part of Canada with big, still lakes, huge forests, tons of wildlife, beautiful place. And the first thing I did on my YOYO time was go into the woods and jack off. And you better believe I prayed for forgiveness after that.
This is amazing. Thank you for sharing this story.
God’s creation is so beautiful and sexy
Finally at last!
It made me laugh out loud when you said Abraham was God’s number 1 boy. Idk why that just really tickled me. 😅
I grew up a Jain. Our "god" is a man who is called "Mahaveer". He's similar to Siddharth Gautam, or Buddha, but the peacefulness is to a different level. The more extreme Jains wear a mask to not have bugs fly into their mouths, wear special sandals to not harm bugs and plants they walk over, and not only are they vegetarian, but they won't eat rooted plants, because when you uproot the plant to eat, you kill it. But anyway, the point is that Mahaveer was an ordinary man, just like Buddha, and the point is that if an ordinary man can do great things, so can you. The same philosophy is found in Buddhism, and also in Unitary Christianity.
I'm not super religious now, though I like several ideas that religions preach. But I put faith alongside emotion, both of which are irrational, but that's not a bad thing. I also respect most religions, but I don't much care for the religious institutions. And that also extends to things that aren't traditionally religious, like sports and even capitalism itself.
Most people threat Jainism with reverence because of their “no killing” philosophy, although laudable I find it just to be based on ignorance. Our body is a congregation of micro-organisms that will kill any invader if it is considered a danger; we are an animal species which will follow the law of nature to survive. We are civilized and act civil because it gives us an advantage in our environment. If society fall apart, we will revert to survival mode and survival is only guaranteed by the capacity to kill and collaborate with the pack.
Thank you for sharing this. I love learning about a point of view seated in compassion and respect for nature. Also, thank you for sending me down a delightful rabbit hole about those shoes (paduka?)
What plants don't have roots?
@@CarrieLaffs what it means is that you don't uproot a cucumber plant to eat it, but you do uproot a potato or a carrot. So the likes of spinach and cucumbers are okay, but carrots and potatoes are not.
@@Sabbathtage I'm glad you're enjoying learning about another faith! Frankly, my recent work in addressing climate change has, in a sense, let me leverage my faith. And if you like consider getting a pair! They take some getting used to, though.
This is a dooooope video man!
Since you asked, the answer is yes. I did. I cried after almost every um, personal session, until I was around eighteen or nineteen. It's such a weird reality, and I still feel it fucked me up today.
This was a great video! As a religious nutjob, your remarks that the philosophy of religion are a guidepost to how people behave and see the world is very much how I view things as well. Western culture may be throwing out traditional religions out, but we have replaced them with other things. Some worship sex, others power, others take the rich and powerful and treat them with the same faux-honour as any other deity from the past.
Regarding Marx, it's great to see the context of his quote because it has so much more teeth than just the singular line. What I find interesting is that Christianity holds onto the same values; at least in its core tenants. Scrub away the messy history of it all and Christianity in its purest form is something that should make itself irrelevant. If christians actually took care of the poor, served those less fortunate, and treated everyone as their neighbour, at some point it would reach cultural and critical mass to where it isn't needed anymore.
Instead, we have the clusterfuck that is our world today.
It would have been great to look into the more broad history of religion and philosophy, especially the wild times in the Bizantine Empire as well as focussing on not just general western philosophy of religion as there is so much more you could go into but I understand that the channel has a focus.
Considering all the different religions in the world, even differences within christianity itself, and the accompanying religious conflicts, I'd say that religion constitutes a "clusterfuck" as well.
Trump is definitely the modern Jesus for a lot of mouthbreathers. Or replace Trump with the GOP or hatred in general. Republican Jesus comes in many forms.
@@weregretohio7728 It's disappointing to watch unfold to say the least. I personally don't understand how the two ideas can mesh together as they seem completely opposed to each other. I look forward to this form of the church collapsing. Will be better for everyone.
@@heronimousbrapson863 using any ideas for the sake of power is one of the most dangerous things we can do.
My bet is that "God" would be Danny DeVito.
Also, while I've never had any "God" shaming moment, Phillip J Fry put it best when he said "Bender, no. You'll make God cry."
I've found that most people who believe that religion has no evidence have failed to even properly study religion enough to know the reason behind.
Religion is a coping mechanism, a perfect example is people are naturally afraid of death, but some people learn to accept it and some people choose to believe that after they die they will continue to live forever, for eternity. The whole idea of an afterlife is just a way to feel better about dying, it's just telling yourself ". Dying is okay because I'm not really dying, I'm going to continue to live for eternity, till the end of time"
Hope you’re feeling better, Michael!
Good enough to at least check out comments on the video! Thanks Adam!
But I think Kierkegaard is right. There's a deep need in us to believe.
I also think the ethical teaching of Jesus, which pushes us outside of ourselves is necessary to move society forward. But Christianity constantly falls victim to the seduction of political power.
absolutely well put
Very good point. Even if I wasn't a Christian I would try to live like Jesus did. It is pretty much objective that Jesus was a good guy and the things he said were good things to do.
The paradox of religion is that it calls its followers to practice humility, yet the very practice if religion averts perfect humility because followers wil always compare themselves to "those sinners" or "those heathens."
Yes. At 14 years old, finally figured out what that hand gesture was referring to, so tried it out. Got a headache, apologized to God because clearly he gave me a bad headache, try it again maybe three minutes later LOL
I actually had a really atheist upbringing. With my parents even getting angry when I showed interest in religion. Now as an adult, is the only thing holding me together to stop me from ending myself. So it has value. Just a different one than before.
Note: I'm not christian, I'm an Umbandist, which is a local religion here in Brazil.
Right so it's a cope. Not a position you arrived at because it's true.
I'm sure there could've been many other things that could help you with that. But if you feel good being manipulated into feeling good, you do you!
Just ignore the other comments. If it works for you, then do your thing. Just don't be like the people that use religion to hate on others.
Atheist parents? In Brazil? That's uncommon.
@@adamplentl5588I mean I’m sure you have something your “cope with” to get you through the day
Religion being a byproduct of suffering and strife and not it's main cause is something I'm familiar with. This is why religion may rise and decline but will never leave because we do not live in a perfect world. Some times the only thing helping people get out of bed in the morning is their faith.
It's incredibly interesting to see people getting out of religion when they were raised that way. My childhood was pretty irreligious, with parents that weren't atheist, but mostly deists, so they didn't see the point on going to any church on Sunday or whichever day of the week. I'm a full on atheist (as my siblings too) and none of us felt the need of religion or god interestingly enough (even when my sister had severe disabilities during her whole life, and we all were surrounded by believers, but in a democratic nation, Argentina more specifically)
People fall out of religion because they don't like having to affirm to something that gives them rules and restrictions. And they unfortunately are also raised in churches that lack critical thinkers and are full of what I call super Christians who blindly follow the Bible and never allow any sort of questions. Especially now that we live in a society that is so selfish and frankly disordered and chaotic its very easy to fall into deception and temptation now that it is affirmed in society. I also as a Christian very much dislike the teachings of the catholic church because they not only added and destroyed bits of the original Bible mansicripts they also teach people to be ashamed and scared of the religion that is supposed to be peaceful and loving
This was really thoughtful
As an adolescent, less of a guilty feeling about self-pleasure in general, but more so that I was doing it while thinking of the same gender. That feels like a lifetime ago now though lol