Had to sit through a DEI workshop recently and sat fuming while the 400lbs ‘she, her’ instructor verbally shat all over straight white men for 2 hours, in terms that would have got her fired if she’d said it about any other group. With two sons at home, I spoke up about the unacceptable levels of relentless negative messaging directed against males, with boys hearing this as they go through their development, suggesting that this is the best way of alienating men, and creating hatred between the two sexes, and of course the fact that it’s unfair. The result is that we will have to undergo further’re- education’ workshops, as I snd a whole bunch of other people failed to ‘get with the program’.
Reeducation programs? Sounds like WW2 Germany, NK, and some other countries. I would fein stupidity as a guy, why? Cause that is what they want. Get a free pass because. Ask the most stupid questions and continue to say I don't understand. Please simplify it. I don't care if I am thought of as stupid. Being thought of as stupid has its benefits. Why is it men that are used as the butt of jokes, and they did almost all the slapstick? It is the vindictive nature of the movements that is the issue.
'Men kill themselves in order to avoid the responsibility towards their family', I think was the argument the 'adult human female' was making. Unfortunately, I've also heard numerous 'adult human males' making similar claims. If only more men were so KEEN and STOIC as Kellie-Jay, society at large would be fixed in a HEARTBEAT!
Let's be real though; to an extent she's right. I found that statement so basic and innocuous that it didn't really ring any alarm bells for me when I first heard it. That being said, I don't see why it wouldn't fully apply to women too. The documentary "Take Care Of Maya" comes to mind.
Kellie talks about men leaving families most of the time, is possible disingenuous but definitely factually incorrect, it's a stereotype that has been disproven by the statistics. the truth is that 75%-80% of the time its the woman who files for divorce or initiates the break up, the problem is that what people see is the man leaving the family home, but they don't realise that it's because he's was being kicked out.
She deserves an ounce of credit, and zero respect, once one views the evidence in it's totality th-cam.com/video/61PAVYvYsHg/w-d-xo.html Female MRAs have been about as helpful to men who are in need as Woke White People are to Non-Whites living in poverty throughout America. Frankly, we men really screwed the pooch, when we applauded these broads just for standing up at a podium, and saying "I hate feminism!!!", instead of staring back at them, and retorting: "Good for you... Your virtue signaling isn't connected in any way, shape, or form to things like ending The Drug War, providing more readily accessible vocational training, or curbing The White House's power to launch acts of military adventurism without the consent of Congress. All of which are problems which disproportionately affect men"
I respect Kellie-Jay but when she claims not to be a feminist I have to laugh as she has supported the core aspect of modern feminist ideology; sex + power. For example she demanded women were allowed into male only spaces (private members clubs) as she believes these clubs hold lots of power and getting women into them is a must if we hope to tackle inequality. At the same time she defends women only gyms and other women only spaces and when called out on the hypocrisy she starts talking about power dynamics. This is modern feminist and woke ideology and yet she claims to be resisting such things. Her recent "let women talk" spaces are a perfect example of this nonsense because she would be outraged if there were a "let men talk" space and she hates any man invading her women only talks. It's really frustrating because I support her in so many ways, and that includes equal rights for women; yet she seems to falling into the same trap of demanding equality while promoting inequality when it suits her. Karen Straughn is a far superior representation of true equality. She simply asks that men and women are given the same rights, freedoms and opportunities. If men want their own spaces she supports that, and if women want their spaces she also supports that. She believes people should be judged on their abilities with the same tests; absolute and true equality. I love Karen :)
I'm not sure why Kellie was included in a talk about men's issues, she's working on completely different issues that affect women and children. The trans community has nothing to do with men's rights issues.
A not unsignificant % of the Gender Critical, or anti-Gender Identity, contingent consider the activist push to grant certain privileges to trans identified males (trans-women) as a men's rights movement.
@@Truthseeker6859 a movement made up of deluded men AND deluded women who don't talk about men's issues at all. Also, when a man has to stand in court to explain why his son should not be transitioned into a "trans girl" (which his wife decided) it doesn't seem very men's rightsey to me
@@Truthseeker6859 no its not bc they aren't men they are women who think they are men that's womans rights not men's and as for men who think they are women you do not get the right to enter women's sports and bathrooms or teach children about sexual things. anyway, long story short we don't consider women who act like men men and men who think they are women do not deserve to get women's rights you have to be a woman to get those you're not one dress how you like but don't expect anyone to call you something you aren't or treat you like something you're not.
@@jujutrini8412 that’s true. A lot of people file for divorce long after separation. And she made a point that of the single mothers she personally knows, the fathers are having no contact - not all exhusbands. But the way she said it looks like she thinks it’s the majority- like it’s some flaw in men. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fathers in those situations are being deliberately excluded, or feel completely helpless because their exes make it impossible to be involved in their kids lives.
@@jujutrini8412 yeah but it's a huge factor which does imply women leave more if you have no opposing stats, I don't know how you can disagree. you could say any stat isn't mutually exclusive that doesn't prove anything or disprove anyone. it makes no sense to think that if women initiate most divorces that it would somehow be different if you go to normal relationships why are you having kids when you aren't married for one? and for 2 if the guy isn't married, he has not vowed to protect his family so it's a completely different situation and it doesn't really matter if men leave before marriage, they literally made no commitment to you and are under no obligation to stay with you and you shouldn't be having kids when you're not so how does what you're saying prove anything? it seems when commitments are made men stay almost all the up to 80% it's your own fault if you believe in someone who's made no commitment, and you end up pregnant bc you let him do various things bc you believed them. here's a quick fix stop having babies until your married stop trying to baby trap men stop trying to manipulate men and maybe they won't leave. women no doubt leave or force fathers out of the home at much higher rates no one talking about every single miniscule example you can come up with that might be different 80% is not something you can offset with anecdotes. if your saying men leave but don't file divorce then come on you have no stats for that and you have no idea what the number is it could be less than 1% unless you actually do some research and tell me how many women file divorce after men just disappear then you might have a point but you literally have no clue and you just think that's the reason with no basis to believe it other than bias.
So men just need to man up and be more stoic despite being treated like second class citizens. Ignore everything you're going through and just live with it. I've never heard of her before and I hope to never again. I was hoping that Karen would have addressed that. But I realize that she had limited time.
@@rensha8635 When 4/5s of the suicides are men, and the women get most of the help, you have an indication that men are the second class sex in terms of government.
@@pbysome she said everything she needed to in under a minute, to convince me she isn't worth my time. Literally no empathy about men's suicide. She said be more stoic (Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining. So suffer in silence. Can you imagine if a man said that about female suicide. Essentially: Shut up and get over it.) Literally blamed men for leaving (anecdotally, when the statistics prove women are the ones divorcing and leaving men, it's just externally people see the man getting kicked out of the home and out of the lives of his family, so that seems like he is leaving them. He's not, he's forced out by the wife and then the system).
Interesting, the only man on the panel,didn't get to speak! 😂😂 Can you imagine another 'movement' where the representatives weren't from those being spoken about?
"Can you imagine another 'movement' where the representatives weren't from those being spoken about?" That's DEI for you: 'Inclusion' for everyone, except for males. Especially White ones.
She's a honey badger. Look up what they are and why these MRA allies are called that. She hates women and only looks at the advantages women have in society never the disadvantages.
which begs the question...if she is right, then why aren´t you doing it for men yourself? I thought men are strong, dominant, superior and smarter than women - unfairly being told they´re inferior to women? Why are men - and you, in particular - incapable of ¨standing up for¨ your own rights? Why rely on a woman to do all the heavy lifting?
Bettina and Karen have immense decency, compassion, and understanding of how men are often misrepresented in our society by mainstream media. Thank you both for your efforts to give a fairer representation of the issues many men face in our gynocentric culture.
Note the way Kellie repeated the same old crap, that effectively men have to man up. This is exactly what Betitna has spoken against; me are expected to man up, but women are victimnm and need/ get all sorts of support.
@@Antropovich I'm starting to agree with people who say she's a misandrist. I don't like to throw that word around, but things she has said, are starting to add up.
@@carlosesteves5857 I dont think she thinks "I hate men" therefore i say this : "just be more stoic". That is misandry imho. I think she means well, but is hugely misinformed how a mind that has been stretched to thinking "oh suicide sounds like a good idea" and that "just be more stoic" can fix that mindset with a snap of a finger. She is clueless, stupid. I dont see hatred in her. She sounds hateful towards men while giving that advice tho.
The problem is social LAWS which favour one side of community .Abolish social engineering (not relating to violence ) and have a level playing playing field ,where everyone stands on their own two feet independently .
Agreed, there are many groups in Society that want special treatment, and we have seen laws enacted in different countries in an attempt to address inequality in several areas.
Agreed.... anecdotal evidence never ever to be trusted. Anything can be said to gain favour or special treatment, the statement that more men leave relationships does not take into account the biased legal system that usual makes the male leave and then the flaunting of visitation rules
@@me-cu7ds I assume that this has happened in the legal system because they use broad brush strokes, all get tarred with the same brush basically, and that is where stats etc should come in to make changes. Unfortunately there are problems in getting truth/facts through the controlling bodies, looking at what happened re covid. I abhor some of the things that some women do but try to take the whole picture from both past and present.
@@gwenlillianlondon3772 my info comes from personal experience. My wife was unfaithful and the legal system at the time was as biased as hell, the rules were quite simple, men work so can manage to find alternative accommodation and the wife stays put. A close friend lost contact with his children because his wife ignored court order after court order on visitation rights and he simply ran out of money fighting it, happy ending though as her new partner disappeared and he got back in touch with his kids with zero help from the legal system. Love a happy ending
@@LunaMondhexe Actually about 4% claimed any sort of abusive behaviour from their husbands - which includes abusing substances. The vast majority where for reasons such as "we drifted apart". About the same percentage of men as women were unfaithful - but then again that was only 6% of reasons for divorce. I'd have to check it again, but from memory wives being abusive was about 3%. So similar but lower. It's just not a reason that features highly statistically. In the real world women essentially just get bored and have incentives to get divorced, which is why 80% of divorces are initiated by women. Whereas men know they will get screwed over in divorce so they don't usually imitate it. P.S. sorry that you hate men so much. it must be tough on you.
while we men dont carry and give birth to children women have no idea of how much pain we have when the courts almost never give us custody or visitation rights to our kids it can and does break us in so many ways and the courts almost always side with the woman, and trans men should NEVER be in womens sports, Bettina respect to you tks for speaking out for us men
The feminists chant about not being chattel to men, but as is often the case in such feminist argument and rhetoric , it’s simply projection, children are the only people regarded as being chattel in society, and we know who the courts believe they belong to.
In my counselling career, I was getting the same impression. Many are deeply hurt by not seeing their children or children being turned against them by the mother. Neither men nor women are angels and abuse can take many forms. Physical-sexual abuse committed by men should be socially made completely abhorrent but manipulative techniques adopted more by women should be also made abhorrent!
Bettina Arndt, Karen Straughan and Kellie-Jay Keen are all very much exactly like my wife who would never call herself a feminist but like all women who came of age in the early 1980s simply expected to be treated equal to men and didn't take any nonsense but also liked men. These are the 'feminists' that young men and women need to listen to.
@@MarcoNegrisEye My young adult sons are quite keen on that sort of thing. My eldest has found a nice sensible young professional woman but my youngest is really struggling to find anyone to date that isn't looking for a rich bloke to act as her meal ticket for the rest of her life and setting impossible standards. Covid seems to have made it worse.
@@drewyetti Absolutely. She calls out the bollocks (believe me, women don’t have them) surrounding transwomen for what it is. Just because a person can shout loudly and hurl insults doesn’t mean they are right.
@@Trevor_Austin oh I agree with her views on trans people but I can’t help but sense she still has that feminist mindset despite no longer identify as one.
There is a (10 year old) series here on youtube that's called 'Misandry in the Media', that just shows clip after clip of commercials proofing what Karen says. It's done by the user Vinny Mac. Look it up!
I usually agree with Kellie but I think she came across as a raging feminist here and I definitely do not agree with what she said about men. Karen speaks for me when it comes to how men are being treated these days, and have just subscribed to her channel. Loved Bettina too.
Kellie stopped being a Feminist when she percieved an attack on women. She has always been a 'raging feminist'. Karen has a fantastic back catalogue of content, well worth the days it will take you to view it. Bettina was a feminist, she just saw the hypocrisy much sooner!
Her deflection about the clearly biased family courts is text book feminist response. Defect, defect, but never allow any close look into the bias of the divorce industry.
My mother left 3 kids emptied the bank account and just fxxked off our house got searched by the police for her body my dad got dragged into the police station questioned ect then it turns out she was in skeg with a woman ! So in my experience women can also be equally as bad as some men in that situation! Tbh my life's better without her !
Women abandon relationships more frequently than men, Kelly was wrong, and her pernicious claim otherwise is a malevolent one, she knows the truth, the truth that hypergamy destroys marriage more than a man's proclivity to cheat. Hypergamy, an innate trait of women. Quantitatively and qualitatively the evidence is clear. Once you open the door , once that door has been unlocked and the freedom and means for a women to divorce is realised, , it's women who walk straight through that door, not men.
@@chadcadsonvii5258 for many months now, I've been racking my brain trying to think of such a place. The depths of Alaska or the bottom half of South America ???? I just don't know.....
I agree the media constantly putting men down any chance they get, but everything seems to geared solely towards Women & men get left by the way side, no wonder there is higher suicide rates in men & that's awful. If we truely want equality between the sexes, then both need equal help when things go wrong aswell as when things go well.
Does seem to be the way with media. Solve one problem and create another. No balance or gradual change, most noticeable on BBC and Sky just a mad dash to solve the problem by wholesale change.
@@MsMounen it's both, media perpetuating things like mansplaning etc, plus in marital situations family courts etc, all ads up, which is bound to make a man depressed which incase turns to suicide. Other factors just adds to that, plus not much help for men when they do say how they feel.
@@emmahowells8334 I believe divorce is much fairer now than it used to be, and there is help, you just get yourself referred for therapy or join a group. There are groups set up for men. I think what doesn't help is their friends taking them to a strip club and getting them drunk instead of having a chat with them when they're low. And I realise they don't all do this, but I'm not convinced that "mansplaining"is sending men over the edge.
Aaaannnddd my father is up there with the worst verbal abusers kept me intimidated , I wish I had an independent nature and income to leave home as a teen .
@Robert Thorpe I didn't say my mother was perfect she's a total Munchhaussen-by-proxy toxic but you're in the completely don't care combative category so why aren't you doing something more productive with your hands and heart than this obnoxious waste of time . The topic is abuse and you don't have to read or respond to anything , go do what makes you happy .
Men's mental heath and suicide is part of a much bigger picture involving exclusion from school, lack of higher education, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic and child abuse, a lack of male specific services, divorce and custody, accidents and illness due to work, financial issues like gambling and bankruptcy, homelessness, prison and harsher sentencing. I agree with Posie Parker on trans issues but it felt like she was washing her hands with the topic of men's mental health here. I feel like she doesn't really care, at least she didn't say it was "toxic masculinity" so that's something. Also, Karen looked like she wanted to jump in and correct her but then never got the chance to say her piece. It's such an uphill battle just to get this issue talked about so at least it was raised here.
So men can build male only services. Goodness me men have built everything from ground up in this world. It’s a man’s world right? Make it happen then.
It is blindingly obvious that for many years little boys have been told not to be boys, then as they grow, they are told to show more feelings and it is ok to cry and be like a girl. This must be taken in to consideration when talking about the high rate of male suicide and mental health in general. I am of the older generation and I was raised to be a man, a real man, a man that takes it on the chin and no matter what, provides for his woman and children, no matter what. This dose not mean that men like myself do not get sad, angry and upset about all kinds of things, it just means that our upbringing gave us the inner power to push past what for us is important and then concentrate on what is important for our loved ones who depend on us so much. To be a man actually means something, just as to be a woman actually means something, and together a man and a woman can get through anything by using their power given to them by nature. Our society is all about destroying this wonderful partnership of opposites that has brought our species so far.
So which is it to be? Take it on the chin, or admit you are struggling and get some support and help? Do men want to be told to ‘man up’ when they are struggling in life? Is that the answer? I can’t believe it is. Is it womens fault for trying to encourage men to be more open? Are women to blame for all of mens woes?
Men get zero say in whether they become a parent or not! Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood, for women. It is for men. Does sh have to get his consent before she becomes pregnant or gives birth?
Peacemaker 666 I won’t say never, but you’re a fool if you believe they’re the majority. Most of those women who divorce will have been lied to, cheated on, mistreated in any number of ways. Women divorce wealthy men who mistreat them too. Money is not the motivator of all deeds.
The man gets no say, way to show solidarity for men. If this were about women there would still be no comments from men because they have no say in women's issues but women have everything to say on men's issues. I will concede that it is good that women are talking about this but to exclude the male voice is wrong.
Society has not listened to men talking about these issues for 4 decades. E.g. the bias of the divorce industry. They will listen to women talking about theses issues. Which is symptomatic of the whole problem.
Your comment is reminding me of a woman recently complaining that a panel discussion about allowing men into womens sport had no women on it. And that panel of judges in Texas that decided women in their state should not have access to legal abortion being made up of elderly men. Nothings ever how it's supposed to be, is it.
@@MsMounen I noticed these complaints about that panel being made up of women, which of course will never redress the centuries of no representation at all for women - lol, and the attacks on Kelly-Jay for being being firm and standing her ground. I suppose that is considered an ugly thing for women to do - huh. Mental health of an individual is the issue surely, and the news channel pushed it into a men v women scenario, like so many other things. When asking if Society is to blame etc., there was no pursuit of that in terms of western society v others, history, legal systems and indeed the media and internet et al. Currently it seems to me that it is not men who are having their 'credentials' stolen and being so grossly insulted as to being a mere choice, and this has been woven into that same society....
Why? What exactly are they doing to you if they're say, transparent, about their transition? You admit yourself these are insecurities of yours. Why not work on them?
I'm glad this is being talked about - it's everywhere in society. I play a lot of board games and it is even in the rulebooks for them. As mentioned when talking about the adverts - a lot of rulebooks have all the negative examples as males and all the positive examples as females, though this is lesser now as they are tending to go gender neutral. Some games even show the same bias in the art - the male characters look goofy or disgusting, but the female characters look epic, and even the setting - there are some that show every person with any kind of power as female unless they are on the evil side where they are almost exclusively men. And those are just the things that I have personally noticed in board games alone. I'm sure there are other kinds of misandry in board games and I know it's just as bad or even worse in other mediums - I barely watch modern films for example (though that is for many reasons, but the treatment of men is one of them).
In video games you have big macho, muscle bound men and puny seductress women. In real life you have a guy in a suit dancing with a nearly naked woman, you have male gymnasts in a leotard with pants over the top while the female gymnasts are doing acrobatics in a G string. Beach volley ball, men in proper shorts and vest top, women in vest top and very skimpy bikini bottom, while females in water sports all have their ass hanging out. Don't tell me that visual representations of men, make them inferior.
They did not show the entire clip, which would have shown how debased it had gotten. Seems that comments here are either generalised (like mine) or very personal, like the guy on here who said that if women ran the world we'd all be living in caves still - lol - sorry about that Marie Curie et al...... A divisive subject indeed.
I think we are not giving them the incentive to do so. Feminists are hammering the concept of "manning up" and yet when men complain they effectively tell them to "man up". It's brilliant.
We need to seriously identify who's destroying men and who's leading movements and marches against men. Also, when we say men, what men are we talking about? What race? What are the stats? It matters.
Simple - most women! They want all the advantages but none of the work to achieve it. Give women real equality! Equal taxes, equal work, equal homelessness, equal prison time, equal murder rates etc. They will soon reject equality!
@@zambarau2072 Then why are you commenting? Another moron taken in by the racism of activists? Oh wow, a raised and clenched fist in your pic. How original and individualistic. Baah baah.
Ow those poor woman.... I can get so angry if I hear woman always whining that they are victims. I divorced my wife, she abused my son every time when I was gone from home. I didn't knew that till 5 years ago. During the courts for the divorce the judge and childcare listened to my son. My son didn't and still doesn't want to see his mother. But during the sessions in court the judge did everything to bring my son together with her. He even forced me to agree. My son was already run to my house because he was afraid for his mother. He went under pressure of the judge 3 times to her. The third time she abused him again. He run away and called me crying that he was afraid. I said to him to come home to me and I didn't let him go to his mother anymore. And still after this the judge tried to convince me and my son who had a hard time trough the pressure to go to her. We didn't done that. So woman of the world, you poor victims. If this was turned around, imagine what would happen. Imagine that I was the abuser. In day one my child was given then to her because she is the woman. And I maybe must go to jail as the abuser. But noooo it was the woman who was the abuser. So no consequences for her. Now my son is living happy with me for these years this were very hard times for me and my son. After three years the judge was saying that my son was old enough then to say were he wanted to live. So not mad a decision that he was abused bit three years going toncourt made him old enough to say were he want to live. This scar he carries that with him forever. And I wil carrying that scar forever. Can I also say Me-too or is that only for woman?
We don't have to imagine if this was turned around. Men commit the overwhelming majority of violence worldwide. Your particular situation is in the minority. Your misogyny stems from abuse, but it is still not excusable.
@Peter the fox I hate the double standard that exists, I was used and abused by a 40 something yr old women when I was 14, the only reason I didn't say anything is because I knew as a Male, I am always going to be seen as the real threat. The only thing I have to disagree with you on is your "aw poor women" attitude, we can't dismiss the bad things that happen to women too because of the feminist attitude towards us.
Of course all claims of abusive treatment are fabricated , there is always wounds visible distress in reports . My ex put his hands around my throat and confessed to selling our daughter out which made me wish I'd never met him and should have kept the kids away .
@@kbeetles I didn't see your question at the time , why don't you know the answer is we can't see at the beginning what is going to eventuate short term or long term . They hide their bad behaviour but the lack of support emotionally and financially can't be endured .
Amazing how you think skin colour and gender define everything. Do we keep the same wealth, IQ, attractiveness, social skills, levels of charisma, talents, abilities...? Do you think a blind, deaf, homeless white man is more privileged than Beyonce Knowles? Would it be at a time white people were used as slaves by the Arabs (many Irish towns were founded as slave hubs for captured English slaves)? Would it be at a time when Europe was a relative backwater and then threatened by Islamic invasion? You might be amazed to know that in the slavery era, America's white working class had effectively the same quality of life as the slaves did. I would be reincarnated as anything other than a white man. White men are the only people you can treat badly in today's society and get away with it.
No, I'd be white, but your assertion lands on soft ground, means nothing. My boy who is six asked this, Dad, when I die and go to heaven, will I still be me, even though I won't be in me, he had a tear in his eyes as he asked. He has no concept of colour , race , identity, he just knows he's himself. He wanted to be himself
@@savethefamily-savetheworld5539 I don't believe in the afterlife or the supernatural. My point was to make reactionaries, who usually only use their System 1 brain, to stop and (hopefully) put themselves in other's shoes. Obviously it was a waste of time.
Spend some time looking at how men are treated by the police and courts. Look at what's happening in the schools. Go take a walk through your town and look at all the homeless MEN. Your comment stinks of ignorance.
I can only speak for the US and maybe it's different in Australia. The correct phrasing is that women attempt suicide more than men but men are unfortunately more likely to die from suicide due to the methods they use. It is not that men are saddened and depressed more. But for argument's sake, I will continue to priortize women over men no matter what the circumstances are. In other words, men attempting suicide after his wife/girlfriend breaks up with him should not stop women from breaking up with men. His suicde, while tragic, is not women's problem.
You've missed the point. There is systemic discrimination in the divorce industry against men and fathers. To the point where the family court process is weaponised against men. It is not the break down of the relationship per se. It is how the state apparatus functions to destroy the men and fathers. In Australia 7 men commit suicide every day! In a population of 22 million! Over the last decade, the age-standardised suicide rate for males increased from 16.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2011 to 18.6 in 202o. And your response is "... to priortize women over men no matter what the circumstances are." - which is exactly what the agencies involved have been doing. Apparently as long as a few women threaten suicide then we should ignore men actually dying. Because after all those 7 men a day are only dying, whereas the women's feeling have been hurt.
Agree. Men are risk takers, and emotionally more extreme than women. It’s no surprise their depression takes them to the edge where they take the plunge. They also don’t form close emotional bonds, or admit due to their egos that they are struggling. That’s something men need to come together to strategise ways to counter this. Men need men’s groups. They could easily form these if they wanted. Far too much blame between the sexes here. Male problems can be sorted by men for men. That would be a healthy way forward.
@@zambarau2072 "The suicides are not women's problem." Wow. Remember that next time you want someone to sympathize with you. Also, how many "suicide attempts" are really just cries for help? It makes sense women would be more likely to do that because when they cry for help, society responds.
The other day, I was watching a programme about women in Afghanistan under Taliban rule. They were beautiful, gentle, intelligent and passionate. And all they want is to be treated with dignity and to have a decent man that respected them. Here in the west we have gotten to the stage where, women are aggressive and want to dominate, they're covered in tattoos and ultra prmoiscuous and think they're just doing what (bad) men have done since the dawn of time. The average woman wants a man who is in the top 10% echelon and will suffer nothing less. The average, decent man is repulsive to the average woman and simply not good enough. Your average, decent bloke is constantly paying the price for the actions of bad men (that women love to flock to) in society. Those bad men keep on being bad men and women keep on falling for them, yet, like I say, we pick up the bill. The western society has made it's bed and is now lying very uncomfortably in it.
@@wundurra24 I don't know. I'm not involuntarily celibate. I'm happy with my girlfriend. If you're implying that to simply recognise modern western womens bad traits and unreasonable demands makes you an incel then, sure, go with that. Funnily enough, women are trying to get noticing it and being in objection to their antics passed as a crime under the terrorism act. I think incels are men who have had no interaction with women and are angry about it. But I think eventually incel will just become a blanket term for anyone who doesn't endorse women being put on a pedestal and given free reign to behave however they want, with no repercussions and the ability to continually blame their life and problems in it, on men. Masculinity will become "incel".
When men arent doing as well as women, men get shamed for it. When women arent doing as well as men, men get shamed for it.
It depends on what people understand the "not doing well" to be a consequence of.
@@onepartyroule No matter what, it's an excuse.
@@jedahn My son had a terrible job with all these women in the queue for the job of clearing the congealed fat balls blocking the sewer .
@@keithwilkins1437 prove it
Men blame other men bcos most are indoctrinated to cater to women needs at adeolescents at their own detriment..
Had to sit through a DEI workshop recently and sat fuming while the 400lbs ‘she, her’ instructor verbally shat all over straight white men for 2 hours, in terms that would have got her fired if she’d said it about any other group. With two sons at home, I spoke up about the unacceptable levels of relentless negative messaging directed against males, with boys hearing this as they go through their development, suggesting that this is the best way of alienating men, and creating hatred between the two sexes, and of course the fact that it’s unfair. The result is that we will have to undergo further’re- education’ workshops, as I snd a whole bunch of other people failed to ‘get with the program’.
I'm glad more and more women are developing a conscience in this regard.
Well, good for you speaking up.
Reeducation programs? Sounds like WW2 Germany, NK, and some other countries.
I would fein stupidity as a guy, why? Cause that is what they want. Get a free pass because. Ask the most stupid questions and continue to say I don't understand. Please simplify it.
I don't care if I am thought of as stupid. Being thought of as stupid has its benefits.
Why is it men that are used as the butt of jokes, and they did almost all the slapstick?
It is the vindictive nature of the movements that is the issue.
What is your moral justification for not taking a stand and saying no?
Not just straight men , it's all men . Straight men are struggling because of WOMEN
Did she just say men need to "man up" and not kill themselves?!?
Despicable.
ZERO empathy, of course.🤨
I was looking for a comment like this.
'Men kill themselves in order to avoid the responsibility towards their family', I think was the argument the 'adult human female' was making.
Unfortunately, I've also heard numerous 'adult human males' making similar claims.
If only more men were so KEEN and STOIC as Kellie-Jay, society at large would be fixed in a HEARTBEAT!
nobody expects empathy from men...nobody...they can't handle self-love...empathy is way too much to ask
Let's be real though; to an extent she's right. I found that statement so basic and innocuous that it didn't really ring any alarm bells for me when I first heard it. That being said, I don't see why it wouldn't fully apply to women too. The documentary "Take Care Of Maya" comes to mind.
Yep, be more stoic! Ergo; suffer in silence. Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining.
Kellie talks about men leaving families most of the time, is possible disingenuous but definitely factually incorrect, it's a stereotype that has been disproven by the statistics. the truth is that 75%-80% of the time its the woman who files for divorce or initiates the break up, the problem is that what people see is the man leaving the family home, but they don't realise that it's because he's was being kicked out.
Spot on! Plus the behavior that he has spent months or years tolerating he no longer wishes to tolerate.
Exactly.
Kellies still has some remnants of feminism left in her.
No one asks why the men leave. Could it be because his woman was acting like a complete b****?
I kicked my husband out. He was having sex with another woman and bragging about it to me.
I’ve got such respect for Karen. She’s made some great content over the years and spoke out against terrible injustices.
Agreed, Bettina and Karen have done soo much for us. I have nothing but love and respect for women like these.
She's a great woman. A shame she's on TH-cam so infrequently. Well done GB News for tracking her down.
She deserves an ounce of credit, and zero respect, once one views the evidence in it's totality th-cam.com/video/61PAVYvYsHg/w-d-xo.html Female MRAs have been about as helpful to men who are in need as Woke White People are to Non-Whites living in poverty throughout America. Frankly, we men really screwed the pooch, when we applauded these broads just for standing up at a podium, and saying "I hate feminism!!!", instead of staring back at them, and retorting: "Good for you... Your virtue signaling isn't connected in any way, shape, or form to things like ending The Drug War, providing more readily accessible vocational training, or curbing The White House's power to launch acts of military adventurism without the consent of Congress. All of which are problems which disproportionately affect men"
So would you marry her? Are you attracted to her?
@@nonenone5413 She is already married I think or at least in a serious long term.
But if she wasn't then yes.
I respect Kellie-Jay but when she claims not to be a feminist I have to laugh as she has supported the core aspect of modern feminist ideology; sex + power. For example she demanded women were allowed into male only spaces (private members clubs) as she believes these clubs hold lots of power and getting women into them is a must if we hope to tackle inequality. At the same time she defends women only gyms and other women only spaces and when called out on the hypocrisy she starts talking about power dynamics. This is modern feminist and woke ideology and yet she claims to be resisting such things. Her recent "let women talk" spaces are a perfect example of this nonsense because she would be outraged if there were a "let men talk" space and she hates any man invading her women only talks. It's really frustrating because I support her in so many ways, and that includes equal rights for women; yet she seems to falling into the same trap of demanding equality while promoting inequality when it suits her.
Karen Straughn is a far superior representation of true equality. She simply asks that men and women are given the same rights, freedoms and opportunities. If men want their own spaces she supports that, and if women want their spaces she also supports that. She believes people should be judged on their abilities with the same tests; absolute and true equality.
I love Karen :)
I'm not sure why Kellie was included in a talk about men's issues, she's working on completely different issues that affect women and children.
The trans community has nothing to do with men's rights issues.
She hates trans people.
A not unsignificant % of the Gender Critical, or anti-Gender Identity, contingent consider the activist push to grant certain privileges to trans identified males (trans-women) as a men's rights movement.
Doesn't it? Trans rights is a men's rights movement.
@@Truthseeker6859 a movement made up of deluded men AND deluded women who don't talk about men's issues at all. Also, when a man has to stand in court to explain why his son should not be transitioned into a "trans girl" (which his wife decided) it doesn't seem very men's rightsey to me
@@Truthseeker6859 no its not bc they aren't men they are women who think they are men that's womans rights not men's and as for men who think they are women you do not get the right to enter women's sports and bathrooms or teach children about sexual things. anyway, long story short we don't consider women who act like men men and men who think they are women do not deserve to get women's rights you have to be a woman to get those you're not one dress how you like but don't expect anyone to call you something you aren't or treat you like something you're not.
Funny how the only man there didn't get talking??
How can she say most men abandon families when women file for divorce most of the time?
Filing for divorce isn’t the same as leaving someone. The two are not mutually exclusive.
@@jujutrini8412 that’s true. A lot of people file for divorce long after separation. And she made a point that of the single mothers she personally knows, the fathers are having no contact - not all exhusbands. But the way she said it looks like she thinks it’s the majority- like it’s some flaw in men. I wouldn’t be surprised if the fathers in those situations are being deliberately excluded, or feel completely helpless because their exes make it impossible to be involved in their kids lives.
@@jujutrini8412 yeah but it's a huge factor which does imply women leave more if you have no opposing stats, I don't know how you can disagree. you could say any stat isn't mutually exclusive that doesn't prove anything or disprove anyone. it makes no sense to think that if women initiate most divorces that it would somehow be different if you go to normal relationships why are you having kids when you aren't married for one? and for 2 if the guy isn't married, he has not vowed to protect his family so it's a completely different situation and it doesn't really matter if men leave before marriage, they literally made no commitment to you and are under no obligation to stay with you and you shouldn't be having kids when you're not so how does what you're saying prove anything? it seems when commitments are made men stay almost all the up to 80% it's your own fault if you believe in someone who's made no commitment, and you end up pregnant bc you let him do various things bc you believed them. here's a quick fix stop having babies until your married stop trying to baby trap men stop trying to manipulate men and maybe they won't leave. women no doubt leave or force fathers out of the home at much higher rates no one talking about every single miniscule example you can come up with that might be different 80% is not something you can offset with anecdotes. if your saying men leave but don't file divorce then come on you have no stats for that and you have no idea what the number is it could be less than 1% unless you actually do some research and tell me how many women file divorce after men just disappear then you might have a point but you literally have no clue and you just think that's the reason with no basis to believe it other than bias.
All the time ignoring the one male panelist.
So men just need to man up and be more stoic despite being treated like second class citizens. Ignore everything you're going through and just live with it. I've never heard of her before and I hope to never again. I was hoping that Karen would have addressed that. But I realize that she had limited time.
Listen to her more she is really quite good, don't let this segment put you of.
Definitely not second class citizens 😁
@@rensha8635 When 4/5s of the suicides are men, and the women get most of the help, you have an indication that men are the second class sex in terms of government.
I think her face said it all.
@@pbysome she said everything she needed to in under a minute, to convince me she isn't worth my time. Literally no empathy about men's suicide. She said be more stoic (Stoic: a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining. So suffer in silence. Can you imagine if a man said that about female suicide. Essentially: Shut up and get over it.) Literally blamed men for leaving (anecdotally, when the statistics prove women are the ones divorcing and leaving men, it's just externally people see the man getting kicked out of the home and out of the lives of his family, so that seems like he is leaving them. He's not, he's forced out by the wife and then the system).
Nice to see Bettina Arndt, Karen Straughan on a mainstream news program in the UK, they are not on the air enough.
@MsMissy A case of thick finger syndrome and auto correct on a phone, phone keyboards are not designed for size 9-10 hands.
Its NOT A COMPETITION - get that right and couples would have a chance at a RELATIONSHIP!
it will become detrimental to men to get married, but what am I saying ? we are already at that bus stop already.
I'm here for Karen because I know she's there for me
Interesting, the only man on the panel,didn't get to speak! 😂😂
Can you imagine another 'movement' where the representatives weren't from those being spoken about?
Yes lesbian events now have the main speakers from men (identifying as women), yes it’s true in 2022.
"Can you imagine another 'movement' where the representatives weren't from those being spoken about?"
That's DEI for you: 'Inclusion' for everyone, except for males. Especially White ones.
Karen is an absolute legend. Great to see her on your show. More please !
She's a honey badger. Look up what they are and why these MRA allies are called that. She hates women and only looks at the advantages women have in society never the disadvantages.
which begs the question...if she is right, then why aren´t you doing it for men yourself? I thought men are strong, dominant, superior and smarter than women - unfairly being told they´re inferior to women? Why are men - and you, in particular - incapable of ¨standing up for¨ your own rights? Why rely on a woman to do all the heavy lifting?
Kellie Jay Keen is good at talking about transgenders, not so good at talking about mens issues.
Bettina and Karen have immense decency, compassion, and understanding of how men are often misrepresented in our society by mainstream media. Thank you both for your efforts to give a fairer representation of the issues many men face in our gynocentric culture.
Did you know Arndt believes men who've been raped as children (and women) should not complain about it? The woman literally defends pedos.
My girlfriend and I constantly talk about how advertising is exactly how Karen describes.
Hold on to her. She is one smart and caring lady to notice this. Definitely a keeper.
I feel that's how it was 5 years ago, but not so much today.
Exactly what they were talking about.... They didn't let the big bloke talk!!!
if youre going to put Kellie jay on to discuss other issues- maybe make sure she is aware of what shes talking about.
She never does.
@@ambertico oh, I know- I'm FTM.
Shes very good at self promotion tho~
With Karen & Kellie on the same broadcast, I'm very interested to hear both sides on this one.
Note the way Kellie repeated the same old crap, that effectively men have to man up. This is exactly what Betitna has spoken against; me are expected to man up, but women are victimnm and need/ get all sorts of support.
Thank you for covering this.
Suicide sometimes is an easier option than facing what a man has to go through !
Women make more attempts. Men just succeed more.
@@carlosesteves5857 men always showing women how it's done ✔️ 👏
@@carlosesteves5857 Men are competent; women are incompetent.
Love Karen Straughan. & her facial expressions when Kellie-Jay Keen was talking were utterly priceless!
Telling men who are suicidal to simply be more stoic, is pretty simple-minded, and short-sighted of you Kelly.
Just think happy thoughts, yep.
@@Antropovich I'm starting to agree with people who say she's a misandrist. I don't like to throw that word around, but things she has said, are starting to add up.
@@carlosesteves5857 I dont think she thinks "I hate men" therefore i say this : "just be more stoic". That is misandry imho.
I think she means well, but is hugely misinformed how a mind that has been stretched to thinking "oh suicide sounds like a good idea" and that "just be more stoic" can fix that mindset with a snap of a finger.
She is clueless, stupid. I dont see hatred in her. She sounds hateful towards men while giving that advice tho.
For someone who says she is no longer a feminist, she has held on to a lot of the radical ideology nonsense.
She's a TERF, that's their mindset.
Why didn’t the bloke in the left corner speak?
The problem is social LAWS which favour one side of community .Abolish social engineering (not relating to violence ) and have a level playing playing field ,where everyone stands on their own two feet independently .
Gotta love Karen 👍
Some people don't want fairness and equality. They want special treatment based on race, religion, and gender. There are words for that.
Agreed, there are many groups in Society that want special treatment, and we have seen laws enacted in different countries in an attempt to address inequality in several areas.
Agreed.... anecdotal evidence never ever to be trusted. Anything can be said to gain favour or special treatment, the statement that more men leave relationships does not take into account the biased legal system that usual makes the male leave and then the flaunting of visitation rules
@@me-cu7ds I assume that this has happened in the legal system because they use broad brush strokes, all get tarred with the same brush basically, and that is where stats etc should come in to make changes. Unfortunately there are problems in getting truth/facts through the controlling bodies, looking at what happened re covid. I abhor some of the things that some women do but try to take the whole picture from both past and present.
@@gwenlillianlondon3772 my info comes from personal experience. My wife was unfaithful and the legal system at the time was as biased as hell, the rules were quite simple, men work so can manage to find alternative accommodation and the wife stays put. A close friend lost contact with his children because his wife ignored court order after court order on visitation rights and he simply ran out of money fighting it, happy ending though as her new partner disappeared and he got back in touch with his kids with zero help from the legal system. Love a happy ending
karen is awesome!
Now that's a sentence you don't hear everyday.
I think it is telling that we are debating the definition of women whilst debating if society is too tough on men.
You have feminism to thank for this
@@almostafa4725 who? Which 'feminists' exactly?
@@manawahinekorero9534 The ones who think men oppressed w0men thoughout history. Which is all of them!
Me too, it’s fecking infuriating. Women being forced to admit males into womanhood. Sickening.
@@almostafa4725 oh of course the silly women who dared ask for more, get their just deserts 🙄
Men are not the ones leaving their families. Women file 80% of divorces.
Not all men marry their receptacles.
Good. Most of them had abusive husbands.
@@LunaMondhexe Actually about 4% claimed any sort of abusive behaviour from their husbands - which includes abusing substances. The vast majority where for reasons such as "we drifted apart". About the same percentage of men as women were unfaithful - but then again that was only 6% of reasons for divorce. I'd have to check it again, but from memory wives being abusive was about 3%. So similar but lower. It's just not a reason that features highly statistically. In the real world women essentially just get bored and have incentives to get divorced, which is why 80% of divorces are initiated by women. Whereas men know they will get screwed over in divorce so they don't usually imitate it.
P.S. sorry that you hate men so much. it must be tough on you.
DISGUSTING WHATS HAPPENING MEN ARE THE FORGOTTEN
while we men dont carry and give birth to children women have no idea of how much pain we have when the courts almost never give us custody or visitation rights to our kids it can and does break us in so many ways and the courts almost always side with the woman,
and trans men should NEVER be in womens sports, Bettina respect to you tks for speaking out for us men
Or when women abort our babies.
The feminists chant about not being chattel to men, but as is often the case in such feminist argument and rhetoric , it’s simply projection, children are the only people regarded as being chattel in society, and we know who the courts believe they belong to.
In my counselling career, I was getting the same impression. Many are deeply hurt by not seeing their children or children being turned against them by the mother. Neither men nor women are angels and abuse can take many forms. Physical-sexual abuse committed by men should be socially made completely abhorrent but manipulative techniques adopted more by women should be also made abhorrent!
Trans men show women what a level playing field looks like.
Bettina Arndt, Karen Straughan and Kellie-Jay Keen are all very much exactly like my wife who would never call herself a feminist but like all women who came of age in the early 1980s simply expected to be treated equal to men and didn't take any nonsense but also liked men. These are the 'feminists' that young men and women need to listen to.
Modern women without a victim complex you mean? Do you think that will catch on? 😉
@@MarcoNegrisEye My young adult sons are quite keen on that sort of thing. My eldest has found a nice sensible young professional woman but my youngest is really struggling to find anyone to date that isn't looking for a rich bloke to act as her meal ticket for the rest of her life and setting impossible standards. Covid seems to have made it worse.
The moment I see Kellie-Jay I know I’m going to hear common sense.
From her? Right.
she's shown herself up to be a manipulative and intolerant man-hater at heart.
@@drewyetti Absolutely. She calls out the bollocks (believe me, women don’t have them) surrounding transwomen for what it is. Just because a person can shout loudly and hurl insults doesn’t mean they are right.
@@Trevor_Austin oh I agree with her views on trans people but I can’t help but sense she still has that feminist mindset despite no longer identify as one.
@@drewyetti I'm still trying to figure her out. She's an enigma. Half feminist, and half right wing trad wife. Very puzzling.
Sorry I didn't get to hear the big bloke in the panel. Very bad chairing
No-one wants to hear men speaking about men's issues.
There is a (10 year old) series here on youtube that's called 'Misandry in the Media', that just shows clip after clip of commercials proofing what Karen says. It's done by the user Vinny Mac. Look it up!
Thanks for the tip bro ❤ but I can’t find the video, what is the channels name ?
@@sit-insforsithis1568 It's 'Vinny Mac'
th-cam.com/channels/IEO_w-8_voXDymte5KYw_A.html
You're welcome ♥
@@sit-insforsithis1568 It's 'Vinny Mac'
channel/UCIEO_w-8_voXDymte5KYw_A
You're welcome ♥
@@sit-insforsithis1568 Vinny Mac @TheIgnoredGender
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@@manmanman2000 thank you!! 🙏
I usually agree with Kellie but I think she came across as a raging feminist here and I definitely do not agree with what she said about men. Karen speaks for me when it comes to how men are being treated these days, and have just subscribed to her channel. Loved Bettina too.
Kellie stopped being a Feminist when she percieved an attack on women. She has always been a 'raging feminist'. Karen has a fantastic back catalogue of content, well worth the days it will take you to view it. Bettina was a feminist, she just saw the hypocrisy much sooner!
Her deflection about the clearly biased family courts is text book feminist response. Defect, defect, but never allow any close look into the bias of the divorce industry.
@@peacemaker6662 She thinks anyone who disagrees with her is an 'attack' on women.
Well when I look at the abuse going on children boys , how far is this taking into the account.
Imagine a world where Karen and Kellie work would be required learning at school.
1:25 Majority of men and women don't want men to be treated that way? I don't think so. I like this lady but she is way too optimistic.
Great panel!
Metoo has been more useful to men than woman by keeping men away from woman shenanigans
My mother left 3 kids emptied the bank account and just fxxked off our house got searched by the police for her body my dad got dragged into the police station questioned ect then it turns out she was in skeg with a woman ! So in my experience women can also be equally as bad as some men in that situation! Tbh my life's better without her !
According to Kellie, that didn't happen.
Women abandon relationships more frequently than men, Kelly was wrong, and her pernicious claim otherwise is a malevolent one, she knows the truth, the truth that hypergamy destroys marriage more than a man's proclivity to cheat.
Hypergamy, an innate trait of women.
Quantitatively and qualitatively the evidence is clear.
Once you open the door , once that door has been unlocked and the freedom and means for a women to divorce is realised, , it's women who walk straight through that door, not men.
The exception to the rule is just that.
Karen is a genius, Bettina a blessing.
I've always wanted to get married, but the courts and laws are stacked against me.... it's not worth the heartache and financial loss. 😔
It's not. Take it from someone who found out the hard way.
Same, I'm just trying to find a way out of society so I can live in peace whilst society collapses.
@@chadcadsonvii5258 for many months now, I've been racking my brain trying to think of such a place.
The depths of Alaska or the bottom half of South America ???? I just don't know.....
Karen needs to stop smoking
Definitely on straight White Men
I agree the media constantly putting men down any chance they get, but everything seems to geared solely towards Women & men get left by the way side, no wonder there is higher suicide rates in men & that's awful. If we truely want equality between the sexes, then both need equal help when things go wrong aswell as when things go well.
Does seem to be the way with media. Solve one problem and create another. No balance or gradual change, most noticeable on BBC and Sky just a mad dash to solve the problem by wholesale change.
I don't think the media is causing high suicide rates in men. I think it's to do with them not talking about how they feel when they need to.
@@MsMounen it's both, media perpetuating things like mansplaning etc, plus in marital situations family courts etc, all ads up, which is bound to make a man depressed which incase turns to suicide. Other factors just adds to that, plus not much help for men when they do say how they feel.
@@me-cu7ds Exactly
@@emmahowells8334 I believe divorce is much fairer now than it used to be, and there is help, you just get yourself referred for therapy or join a group. There are groups set up for men. I think what doesn't help is their friends taking them to a strip club and getting them drunk instead of having a chat with them when they're low. And I realise they don't all do this, but I'm not convinced that "mansplaining"is sending men over the edge.
Talking about how men are treated. I was waiting for a word from big Phil.
Love Karen ❤❤❤
about time issues such as this were raised
Aaaannnddd my father is up there with the worst verbal abusers kept me intimidated , I wish I had an independent nature and income to leave home as a teen .
@Robert Thorpe rude
@Robert Thorpeway to make me conclude you are irrelevant
@Robert Thorpe I didn't say my mother was perfect she's a total Munchhaussen-by-proxy toxic but you're in the completely don't care combative category so why aren't you doing something more productive with your hands and heart than this obnoxious waste of time . The topic is abuse and you don't have to read or respond to anything , go do what makes you happy .
@@56annieb thank you for defending me 🙈🙉🙊
I don't think anyone is denying that men can be horrible people. That doesn't mean men should be treated like dirt.
Men's mental heath and suicide is part of a much bigger picture involving exclusion from school, lack of higher education, drug and alcohol abuse, domestic and child abuse, a lack of male specific services, divorce and custody, accidents and illness due to work, financial issues like gambling and bankruptcy, homelessness, prison and harsher sentencing. I agree with Posie Parker on trans issues but it felt like she was washing her hands with the topic of men's mental health here. I feel like she doesn't really care, at least she didn't say it was "toxic masculinity" so that's something. Also, Karen looked like she wanted to jump in and correct her but then never got the chance to say her piece.
It's such an uphill battle just to get this issue talked about so at least it was raised here.
So men can build male only services. Goodness me men have built everything from ground up in this world. It’s a man’s world right? Make it happen then.
It is blindingly obvious that for many years little boys have been told not to be boys, then as they grow, they are told to show more feelings and it is ok to cry and be like a girl. This must be taken in to consideration when talking about the high rate of male suicide and mental health in general. I am of the older generation and I was raised to be a man, a real man, a man that takes it on the chin and no matter what, provides for his woman and children, no matter what. This dose not mean that men like myself do not get sad, angry and upset about all kinds of things, it just means that our upbringing gave us the inner power to push past what for us is important and then concentrate on what is important for our loved ones who depend on us so much. To be a man actually means something, just as to be a woman actually means something, and together a man and a woman can get through anything by using their power given to them by nature. Our society is all about destroying this wonderful partnership of opposites that has brought our species so far.
So which is it to be? Take it on the chin, or admit you are struggling and get some support and help? Do men want to be told to ‘man up’ when they are struggling in life? Is that the answer? I can’t believe it is. Is it womens fault for trying to encourage men to be more open? Are women to blame for all of mens woes?
I've time for Kellie but she just turned a conversation about men into one about women with some very selective "facts".
She's anti trans.
@@amberticoshe's anti male
Men get zero say in whether they become a parent or not! Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood, for women. It is for men. Does sh have to get his consent before she becomes pregnant or gives birth?
Stop coming inside women you don't want to start families with. It's not that difficult.
Karen Straughan looks more strung out than ever.
None of us are getting younger and she just didn't spend as much time on make up as the other women
Kelly-Jaye speaks straight-forwardly and centers women and does not pander to men at the expense of women and their rights.
She's a rape hysteric.
Yes, she just repeats the feminist crap while pretending not to be a feminist.
Really well said, Kellie-Jay.
Lil She’s not wrong.
@@PhoenixWolfAnime she’s dead wrong, the facts are literally the opposite
Al Mostafa You’re right. Men never abandon their families to find themselves, or a younger woman. Why would anyone think that?
@@PhoenixWolfAnime 80% of divorces are initiated by women... no? Women never do that to find a more affluient man? Am I wrong?
Peacemaker 666 I won’t say never, but you’re a fool if you believe they’re the majority. Most of those women who divorce will have been lied to, cheated on, mistreated in any number of ways. Women divorce wealthy men who mistreat them too. Money is not the motivator of all deeds.
The man gets no say, way to show solidarity for men. If this were about women there would still be no comments from men because they have no say in women's issues but women have everything to say on men's issues. I will concede that it is good that women are talking about this but to exclude the male voice is wrong.
A smart and important debate with smart people like this deserves bigger exposure,great coup for GB news..
Kellie isn't smart.
Were there any Feminists on the Titanic
Yes, in the lifeboats! 😉
Yes! Rose was a feminist!
@@carlosesteves5857 your talking about a fictional character mate
@@jonlewis6700 I know that. it was a joke. A bad one I guess. I love that movie!
ok, and what that man there has to say?
WTF!?!
Get Paul Joseph Watson on!
Karen is baaaaaack!
I'm a huge Kellie-Jay fan but I didn't understand the point of having three women on this panel. This should have been men talking about men's issues.
Because they’ve devoted their lives to this
Society has not listened to men talking about these issues for 4 decades. E.g. the bias of the divorce industry. They will listen to women talking about theses issues. Which is symptomatic of the whole problem.
You're a fan of the way she wants to ban adults from doing what they want with their own bodies?
@@davexb6595 No-one wants to listen to men speaking about their issues.
Typically asking the question about men 3 women, just saying, eventually there will be a backlash
Too right and anecdotal evidence?? Really...
Your comment is reminding me of a woman recently complaining that a panel discussion about allowing men into womens sport had no women on it. And that panel of judges in Texas that decided women in their state should not have access to legal abortion being made up of elderly men. Nothings ever how it's supposed to be, is it.
@@MsMounen I noticed these complaints about that panel being made up of women, which of course will never redress the centuries of no representation at all for women - lol, and the attacks on Kelly-Jay for being being firm and standing her ground. I suppose that is considered an ugly thing for women to do - huh. Mental health of an individual is the issue surely, and the news channel pushed it into a men v women scenario, like so many other things. When asking if Society is to blame etc., there was no pursuit of that in terms of western society v others, history, legal systems and indeed the media and internet et al. Currently it seems to me that it is not men who are having their 'credentials' stolen and being so grossly insulted as to being a mere choice, and this has been woven into that same society....
Wow Karen is still around!
Indeed, long time i have not seen her.
Yeah, thank god.
I see her in certain comment sections, all the time.
Still kicking, fighting and biting... what a woman!
She looks non too well. :(
I hate looking at anybody pretending to be the opposite gender , triggers all sorts of insecurities and becomes repulsive .
Weirdo.
Why? What exactly are they doing to you if they're say, transparent, about their transition? You admit yourself these are insecurities of yours. Why not work on them?
GB News gets some interesting perspectives
I'm glad this is being talked about - it's everywhere in society. I play a lot of board games and it is even in the rulebooks for them. As mentioned when talking about the adverts - a lot of rulebooks have all the negative examples as males and all the positive examples as females, though this is lesser now as they are tending to go gender neutral. Some games even show the same bias in the art - the male characters look goofy or disgusting, but the female characters look epic, and even the setting - there are some that show every person with any kind of power as female unless they are on the evil side where they are almost exclusively men. And those are just the things that I have personally noticed in board games alone. I'm sure there are other kinds of misandry in board games and I know it's just as bad or even worse in other mediums - I barely watch modern films for example (though that is for many reasons, but the treatment of men is one of them).
In video games you have big macho, muscle bound men and puny seductress women. In real life you have a guy in a suit dancing with a nearly naked woman, you have male gymnasts in a leotard with pants over the top while the female gymnasts are doing acrobatics in a G string. Beach volley ball, men in proper shorts and vest top, women in vest top and very skimpy bikini bottom, while females in water sports all have their ass hanging out. Don't tell me that visual representations of men, make them inferior.
Why didn't the only male guest get to speak? Or is that the point.
That's the point
They were saving his contribution for something beyond the bleeding obvious.
They did not show the entire clip, which would have shown how debased it had gotten. Seems that comments here are either generalised (like mine) or very personal, like the guy on here who said that if women ran the world we'd all be living in caves still - lol - sorry about that Marie Curie et al...... A divisive subject indeed.
@@Mr_G_in_Alba thank you for your contribution. Keep up with the meds
He was the token penis.
“Daddy, we hardly knew you”…..M’s Greer. Daddy is coming home sister.
Hahaha feminist says she's not a Feminist
Perhaps you don’t understand. There’s no shame in that.
@@56annieb perhaps *you* don't understand. Plenty of shame in that
@@OrwellsHousecat que? Make sense.
@@56annieb huh?
I’m not a feminist but I support women. You need to look up what today’s feminist represent.
I don't think so but if some men say yeah, then fair enough....It might help some of these men to man up a bit.
Spoken like a true feminist. Well done on your wokeness Brad.
The feminists ain't gonna thank you for it Brad.
I think we are not giving them the incentive to do so. Feminists are hammering the concept of "manning up" and yet when men complain they effectively tell them to "man up". It's brilliant.
Bettina smashing it.
We need to seriously identify who's destroying men and who's leading movements and marches against men. Also, when we say men, what men are we talking about? What race? What are the stats? It matters.
Simple - most women! They want all the advantages but none of the work to achieve it. Give women real equality! Equal taxes, equal work, equal homelessness, equal prison time, equal murder rates etc. They will soon reject equality!
What?
all men
Ruining what? Men doing what?
Kellie well said.
What's a Man?
An adult male, in the same way a woman is an adult female.
@@Mr_G_in_Alba What is a Male?
@@MiggsMultiple The sex which produces small mobile gametes.
@@MiggsMultiple The same as man. 🙄
Kellie-Jay Keen is Queen
She's a rape hysteric.
Karen Straughan the men's rights advocate yay! Do you know she's also half Ukrainian and that her Dad used to call her bohunk? She is so now!
What about Phil.
It's not Society...🤣🤣
Typical! Had big Phil on and didnt ask him a question
Please 3 women I knew left there husband's and women today have more affairs these day's.
KJK!
Terrible Kelly jay
As a white male I feel like an endangered species now.
No where near it. That said, those in power wouldn't have a problem with it.
So what if you feel like an endangered species. Nobody owes white men anything.
@@zambarau2072 Then why are you commenting? Another moron taken in by the racism of activists? Oh wow, a raised and clenched fist in your pic. How original and individualistic. Baah baah.
We don't need help.Just stop the persecution.
Ow those poor woman.... I can get so angry if I hear woman always whining that they are victims. I divorced my wife, she abused my son every time when I was gone from home. I didn't knew that till 5 years ago. During the courts for the divorce the judge and childcare listened to my son. My son didn't and still doesn't want to see his mother. But during the sessions in court the judge did everything to bring my son together with her. He even forced me to agree. My son was already run to my house because he was afraid for his mother. He went under pressure of the judge 3 times to her. The third time she abused him again. He run away and called me crying that he was afraid. I said to him to come home to me and I didn't let him go to his mother anymore. And still after this the judge tried to convince me and my son who had a hard time trough the pressure to go to her. We didn't done that.
So woman of the world, you poor victims. If this was turned around, imagine what would happen. Imagine that I was the abuser. In day one my child was given then to her because she is the woman. And I maybe must go to jail as the abuser. But noooo it was the woman who was the abuser. So no consequences for her. Now my son is living happy with me for these years this were very hard times for me and my son. After three years the judge was saying that my son was old enough then to say were he wanted to live.
So not mad a decision that he was abused bit three years going toncourt made him old enough to say were he want to live.
This scar he carries that with him forever. And I wil carrying that scar forever. Can I also say Me-too or is that only for woman?
We don't have to imagine if this was turned around. Men commit the overwhelming majority of violence worldwide. Your particular situation is in the minority. Your misogyny stems from abuse, but it is still not excusable.
@@roaroa5291 ur a feminist arent u?
@@roaroa5291 Ah the classic "men do X more therefore... excuse"
@Peter the fox
I hate the double standard that exists, I was used and abused by a 40 something yr old women when I was 14, the only reason I didn't say anything is because I knew as a Male, I am always going to be seen as the real threat.
The only thing I have to disagree with you on is your "aw poor women" attitude, we can't dismiss the bad things that happen to women too because of the feminist attitude towards us.
Of course all claims of abusive treatment are fabricated , there is always wounds visible distress in reports . My ex put his hands around my throat and confessed to selling our daughter out which made me wish I'd never met him and should have kept the kids away .
Oops my typo , meant abuse claims are not fabricated .
Why did you marry him???
@@kbeetles I didn't see your question at the time , why don't you know the answer is we can't see at the beginning what is going to eventuate short term or long term . They hide their bad behaviour but the lack of support emotionally and financially can't be endured .
"White men" let's be real.
A question for white males... if it was possible to reincarnate, would you reincarnate as anything other than a white male?
Do I get to keep my brain but just have a different outwards appearance? Otherwise it's no longer me.
Amazing how you think skin colour and gender define everything. Do we keep the same wealth, IQ, attractiveness, social skills, levels of charisma, talents, abilities...? Do you think a blind, deaf, homeless white man is more privileged than Beyonce Knowles?
Would it be at a time white people were used as slaves by the Arabs (many Irish towns were founded as slave hubs for captured English slaves)? Would it be at a time when Europe was a relative backwater and then threatened by Islamic invasion?
You might be amazed to know that in the slavery era, America's white working class had effectively the same quality of life as the slaves did.
I would be reincarnated as anything other than a white man. White men are the only people you can treat badly in today's society and get away with it.
No, I'd be white, but your assertion lands on soft ground, means nothing.
My boy who is six asked this,
Dad, when I die and go to heaven, will I still be me, even though I won't be in me, he had a tear in his eyes as he asked.
He has no concept of colour , race , identity, he just knows he's himself.
He wanted to be himself
@@savethefamily-savetheworld5539 I don't believe in the afterlife or the supernatural.
My point was to make reactionaries, who usually only use their System 1 brain, to stop and (hopefully) put themselves in other's shoes.
Obviously it was a waste of time.
Your reply was so far of the target Im precluded from responding effectively.
Just to say, your cognitive dissonance is explicit
Society is no more tough on men than women......it's about how the individual handles the ups and downs..
Spend some time looking at how men are treated by the police and courts. Look at what's happening in the schools. Go take a walk through your town and look at all the homeless MEN. Your comment stinks of ignorance.
Typical [Charlie Uniform November Tango]
I can only speak for the US and maybe it's different in Australia. The correct phrasing is that women attempt suicide more than men but men are unfortunately more likely to die from suicide due to the methods they use. It is not that men are saddened and depressed more. But for argument's sake, I will continue to priortize women over men no matter what the circumstances are. In other words, men attempting suicide after his wife/girlfriend breaks up with him should not stop women from breaking up with men. His suicde, while tragic, is not women's problem.
You've missed the point. There is systemic discrimination in the divorce industry against men and fathers. To the point where the family court process is weaponised against men. It is not the break down of the relationship per se. It is how the state apparatus functions to destroy the men and fathers.
In Australia 7 men commit suicide every day! In a population of 22 million! Over the last decade, the age-standardised suicide rate for males increased from 16.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2011 to 18.6 in 202o. And your response is "... to priortize women over men no matter what the circumstances are." - which is exactly what the agencies involved have been doing. Apparently as long as a few women threaten suicide then we should ignore men actually dying. Because after all those 7 men a day are only dying, whereas the women's feeling have been hurt.
ur a feminist
@@davexb6595 The suicides are not women's problem.
Agree. Men are risk takers, and emotionally more extreme than women. It’s no surprise their depression takes them to the edge where they take the plunge. They also don’t form close emotional bonds, or admit due to their egos that they are struggling. That’s something men need to come together to strategise ways to counter this. Men need men’s groups. They could easily form these if they wanted. Far too much blame between the sexes here. Male problems can be sorted by men for men. That would be a healthy way forward.
@@zambarau2072
"The suicides are not women's problem."
Wow. Remember that next time you want someone to sympathize with you.
Also, how many "suicide attempts" are really just cries for help? It makes sense women would be more likely to do that because when they cry for help, society responds.
The other day, I was watching a programme about women in Afghanistan under Taliban rule. They were beautiful, gentle, intelligent and passionate. And all they want is to be treated with dignity and to have a decent man that respected them. Here in the west we have gotten to the stage where, women are aggressive and want to dominate, they're covered in tattoos and ultra prmoiscuous and think they're just doing what (bad) men have done since the dawn of time. The average woman wants a man who is in the top 10% echelon and will suffer nothing less. The average, decent man is repulsive to the average woman and simply not good enough.
Your average, decent bloke is constantly paying the price for the actions of bad men (that women love to flock to) in society. Those bad men keep on being bad men and women keep on falling for them, yet, like I say, we pick up the bill.
The western society has made it's bed and is now lying very uncomfortably in it.
I have some sympathy with certain religions methods for controlling the worst and darkest traits that all women have.
Is this what incels believe?
@@kenrehill8775 You want to "control" women? Red flag ladies.
@@wundurra24 I don't know. I'm not involuntarily celibate. I'm happy with my girlfriend. If you're implying that to simply recognise modern western womens bad traits and unreasonable demands makes you an incel then, sure, go with that. Funnily enough, women are trying to get noticing it and being in objection to their antics passed as a crime under the terrorism act.
I think incels are men who have had no interaction with women and are angry about it. But I think eventually incel will just become a blanket term for anyone who doesn't endorse women being put on a pedestal and given free reign to behave however they want, with no repercussions and the ability to continually blame their life and problems in it, on men. Masculinity will become "incel".
@Robert Thorpe Small sample size.