I suppose tokens help but I find it more useful to have something like Opal cards in Sydney while travelling in trains and buses. The only problem is when I lose my Opal card when the newsagents selling them are closed. Then it would be difficult to travel on train, but with the bus it would be okay since I could pay the bus driver.
bromancerules28 Opal Card is perfect for me. I have been using it since day one (2012). It is very similar to London Tube System. Opal is now available for trains, buses, trains and soon will expand to others transportation.
I'm aware of the Opal use for trains and buses. Not sure about the use of Opal cards in other modes of transportation, but I'm looking forward to that real soon. :). Anyway, I'm glad that Opal works well for you.
Shawn, make a review and interview to the users about the Malaysians' manner especially on the train door (who is the priority) , position on the escalator etc.
Regardless of using cashless Rapidcard, They should provide to all, fair and square, for token disposal.. There is no excuse in giving good customer service, even though I myself hold a RapidCard.. And.. oh yeah Shawn, it's "well lit " and not "well litted"
hell yeah you can ride stations...nothing to do on hot Sunday afternoon can just ride from end to end..aircon cooling mah can see amoi minah tangachee cantik mah boss
This video of yours is relatively informative. Thank you for introducing the MRT for us. I'm looking forward to more of your videos on Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia. :) Anyway, business at the The Ritz Carlton, Langkawi will commence on the 21st of September this year. I've checked out the website, and it looks like a great place to stay or even to just visit: www.ritzcarlton.com/en/hotels/malaysia/langkawi/rooms-suites Will you go there?
I am disappointed with he length of The carriages. It should be at 8 carriages per train. 4 carriages is just half the size of HK MTR System. 4 carriages would not be able sufficient for the population.
Well first of all Kuala Lumpur do not have and will not have high population density like Hong Kong thus it is impractical for us to have 8 carriages train. Second, Kuala Lumpur's MRT can easily double its current capacity by increase the frequency to 1.5 minute per train from now 3.5 minute per train. That is the current trend happening around the world as there are many research suggest that increase frequency is more efficient than increase the length of the train.
NG FU NIEN : Completely disagreed with your point. There are no current trends that uses 4 carriages per train. Where is your references? It is an another mistake and not plan properly by the Malaysian Government. Same thing happened to narrow gauge train from KL to Padang Besar. No train system is running at 1.5 mins frequency in the world and 8 carriages is the standard to solve the congestion. Hong Kong is planning to double the track so that it can increase the capacity.
Well I never say 4 carriages is the trend. I am saying increase the frequency instead of carriages is the trend. It is proven to be more efficient in clearing the platform, better crowd control, faster journey and cheaper cost. All research on public transportation, crowd clearance / management on public transportation system etc etc suggest that increase the frequency instead of carriages is a better method to increase the capacity. You don't need billions of dollar on refurbish the train station, platform nor train set just for longer train set. All you need to do is just improve the signalling system to decrease the headway and increase the capacity and then purchase more train set and you can straight away double the capacity of the line. 8 carriages is the standard to solve the congestion? By typing this statement means you know nothing about public transportation system especially in urban rail. There is no such standard. We measure public transport capacity with PPHPD (Passenger Per Hour Per Direction). The calculation is (the capacity of the train) x (number of service per hour) = PPHPD KL's MRT 1 four car train set have 1,200 capacity. (300 for each carriage) KL's MRT 1 peak frequency is 3.5 minute meaning it have 17 service per hour (3.5 minute divide by 60 minute (per hour)). 1,200 x 17 = 20,400 PPHPD (that is the current PPHPD we have) Lets say we upgrade the signalling system and have 1.5 minute frequency means we will have 40 service per hour. (this 1.5 minute is what we plan for future when passenger increase) 1,200 x 40 = 48,000 PPHPD (we will have such capacity in future) Lets say we follow your "brilliant" & "plan properly idea" by putting 8 carriages for each train set. Its harder to achieve shorter headway/higher frequency due to longer train meaning we will need to maintain 3.5 minute frequency. 2,400 x 17 = 40,800 PPHPD So which one is better? 48,000 PPHPD (increase frequency) vs 40,800 PPHPD(increase carriage) You do not need to go other countries and find the train system that is running at 1.5 minute headway. Kuala Lumpur's Kelana Jaya line is running with minimum 90 second headway. Taiwan, London, Paris and many more countries already have / will have 90 second/1.5 minute (some are even shorter) headway/frequency as the current technology keep advancing. Please justify your "mistake / not plan properly by the Malaysian Government" when Kuala Lumpur's population density is few times lower than Hong Kong. Hong Kong with 6k+ population density vs Kuala Lumpur 2k+ population density. That is 3 times differences. Does that means if KL is having 4 carriages per train then Hong Kong should have x 3 of KL and become 12 carriages? Bare in mind our population density will go lower if you take into consideration of Greater Kuala Lumpur area and become 1k+ population density which the current MRT 1 is serving. Then the differences will be times 6 of Hong Kong. Does that mean Hong Kong should have 24 carriages per train to be consider as plan properly? Like I said earlier, KL and Hong Kong is incomparable when it comes to train capacity as the population density gap between this two cities is so big. Bare in mind that KL's MRT 1 is just the starting of KL's public transportation rail masterplan. It will need to compliment with MRT 2 and MRT 3 and even with LRT 3 and future BRT. They already take into consideration of transit station, platform design etc etc and we will have cross platform at TRX station with MRT 1 and MRT 2. I definitely won't say it is another mistake/not plan properly. Do you know why Malaysia government choose driverless system? One of the main reason is that we could easily achieve shorter headway with driverless system. If the government follow your advice then the train line will be running under capacity for the next few decades and keep losing billions of dollar every year. What we need is sustainable public transportation system with reasonable capacity by having lots of facts and data to backup.
NG FU NIEN: 1. Hey Mate be cool. I am not here to argue with you but to share my opinion and knowledge to improve train transportation as a passenger/resident. You mentioned about 4 carriages is the trend (please refer to your previous comment). 2. Like I said, no train (Metro, Subway, MRT and MTR) in the world is running at 1.5 mins frequency to avoid any unforeseen problem. Normally is about 2-3 mins regardless driverless or driver train. LRT or Tram is a separated matter. 3. Whilst where I live Sydney has about population density of 400/sq km, KL has approximately 6.891/sq km. Our new Sydney Metro (NorthWest) line will have 8 carriages per train every 3-4 mins. It will also driverless. IF I use your concept, then Sydney will only need 2.7 carriages per train (5 million /7.2 million x 4 carriages)! KL Metro has 2,242 sq km and Sydney has 12,367 sq km to support my point. 4. On top of this, LRT is not the replacement for Metro System. The population size of metropolitan KL needs a standard Metro system. It is very pity that the government don't get it right in the first place. 5. The point here is if you want to make KL a top 20 livable city (like PM Najib mentioned) in the world, this will not solve KL congestion issue and will not put KL near the top 20 livable city in the near future. Whilst KL is currently ranked at 70th placed, Sydney is at 11th placed dropped from 7 placed and Melbourne is at the 1st Placed for the last 7 years by Economic Intelligent Unit.
I guess you still don't get it. It doesn't really matter whether it is 4 carriages or 8 carriages or even 12 carriages. What matter is the capacity of the train line and whether it is sustainable and justifiable. I already calculate PPHPD in my previous post and 4 carriages is suitable for KL's MRT 1 as 8 carriages will be too much and unsustainable. No country in the world is running at 1.5 minutes frequency? There are many countries is having 90 second headway or even lesser and KL's Kelana Jaya line have 90 second headway. Just google the keyword "90 second headway" and you will see a list of line around the world that is running with that frequency. Sydney Metro (NorthWest) line are targeting 40,000 customers per hour. Like I mentioned earlier KL's MRT 1 can easily upgrade its signalling system to have 48,000 PPHPD since the signalling system that we using are able to support it. The question now is when we need to upgrade it? FYI KL's MRT 1 is now running under capacity even with 4 carriages and it will still be under capacity for the next 5 - 10 years. We will only know after the opening of MRT 2 and MRT 3. No people care whether KL will be a top 20 liveable city or not. We are talking about KL's MRT 1 and whether it is sustainable and reasonable to have 4 carriages.
Since RapidKL encouraging their customers to use cashless (TouchnGo), that's why there is only one token collector gate.
I suppose tokens help but I find it more useful to have something like Opal cards in Sydney while travelling in trains and buses. The only problem is when I lose my Opal card when the newsagents selling them are closed. Then it would be difficult to travel on train, but with the bus it would be okay since I could pay the bus driver.
bromancerules28 Opal Card is perfect for me. I have been using it since day one (2012). It is very similar to London Tube System. Opal is now available for trains, buses, trains and soon will expand to others transportation.
I'm aware of the Opal use for trains and buses. Not sure about the use of Opal cards in other modes of transportation, but I'm looking forward to that real soon. :). Anyway, I'm glad that Opal works well for you.
Don't waste your time to buy TnG card. Use your MyCard.
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Shawn, make a review and interview to the users about the Malaysians' manner especially on the train door (who is the priority) , position on the escalator etc.
Kelana Jaya Line only
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Nice review Shawn
Can't wait to try KL MRT experience on this November...
Tiketing and lines for exiting/token is clearly not efficient even just by your review. Good job for giving an overall view.
Malaysian really need start to use Their My Kad as tng
Great vid and review
Great video.. good info given. Should do part2... will you?
We are on it 😉
Regardless of using cashless Rapidcard, They should provide to all, fair and square, for token disposal.. There is no excuse in giving good customer service, even though I myself hold a RapidCard.. And.. oh yeah Shawn, it's "well lit " and not "well litted"
Nice station i hope the new MRT in S8ngapore gonna be more nicer
Singapore
Singapore MRT jammed pack with sweaty noisy drunk foreign workers
very superb
door look like c830c singapore
Nice
You ride the trains, not the stations.
壹貳 thanks for pointing that out, I slipped some words! Will do better :)
hell yeah you can ride stations...nothing to do on hot Sunday afternoon can just ride from end to end..aircon cooling mah can see amoi minah tangachee cantik mah boss
need to improve my description 😆
This video of yours is relatively informative. Thank you for introducing the MRT for us. I'm looking forward to more of your videos on Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia. :)
Anyway, business at the The Ritz Carlton, Langkawi will commence on the 21st of September this year. I've checked out the website, and it looks like a great place to stay or even to just visit: www.ritzcarlton.com/en/hotels/malaysia/langkawi/rooms-suites
Will you go there?
Thank you! That means alot to us :)
Very interesting, thanks for the tip and we'll look into it!
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Mrt kuala lumpur terbaikk
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I am disappointed with he length of The carriages. It should be at 8 carriages per train. 4 carriages is just half the size of HK MTR System.
4 carriages would not be able sufficient for the population.
Well first of all Kuala Lumpur do not have and will not have high population density like Hong Kong thus it is impractical for us to have 8 carriages train. Second, Kuala Lumpur's MRT can easily double its current capacity by increase the frequency to 1.5 minute per train from now 3.5 minute per train.
That is the current trend happening around the world as there are many research suggest that increase frequency is more efficient than increase the length of the train.
NG FU NIEN : Completely disagreed with your point. There are no current trends that uses 4 carriages per train. Where is your references?
It is an another mistake and not plan properly by the Malaysian Government. Same thing happened to narrow gauge train from KL to Padang Besar.
No train system is running at 1.5 mins frequency in the world and 8 carriages is the standard to solve the congestion. Hong Kong is planning to double the track so that it can increase the capacity.
Well I never say 4 carriages is the trend. I am saying increase the frequency instead of carriages is the trend. It is proven to be more efficient in clearing the platform, better crowd control, faster journey and cheaper cost. All research on public transportation, crowd clearance / management on public transportation system etc etc suggest that increase the frequency instead of carriages is a better method to increase the capacity.
You don't need billions of dollar on refurbish the train station, platform nor train set just for longer train set. All you need to do is just improve the signalling system to decrease the headway and increase the capacity and then purchase more train set and you can straight away double the capacity of the line.
8 carriages is the standard to solve the congestion? By typing this statement means you know nothing about public transportation system especially in urban rail. There is no such standard. We measure public transport capacity with PPHPD (Passenger Per Hour Per Direction).
The calculation is (the capacity of the train) x (number of service per hour) = PPHPD
KL's MRT 1 four car train set have 1,200 capacity. (300 for each carriage)
KL's MRT 1 peak frequency is 3.5 minute meaning it have 17 service per hour (3.5 minute divide by 60 minute (per hour)).
1,200 x 17 = 20,400 PPHPD (that is the current PPHPD we have)
Lets say we upgrade the signalling system and have 1.5 minute frequency means we will have 40 service per hour. (this 1.5 minute is what we plan for future when passenger increase)
1,200 x 40 = 48,000 PPHPD (we will have such capacity in future)
Lets say we follow your "brilliant" & "plan properly idea" by putting 8 carriages for each train set. Its harder to achieve shorter headway/higher frequency due to longer train meaning we will need to maintain 3.5 minute frequency.
2,400 x 17 = 40,800 PPHPD
So which one is better?
48,000 PPHPD (increase frequency) vs 40,800 PPHPD(increase carriage)
You do not need to go other countries and find the train system that is running at 1.5 minute headway. Kuala Lumpur's Kelana Jaya line is running with minimum 90 second headway. Taiwan, London, Paris and many more countries already have / will have 90 second/1.5 minute (some are even shorter) headway/frequency as the current technology keep advancing.
Please justify your "mistake / not plan properly by the Malaysian Government" when Kuala Lumpur's population density is few times lower than Hong Kong. Hong Kong with 6k+ population density vs Kuala Lumpur 2k+ population density. That is 3 times differences. Does that means if KL is having 4 carriages per train then Hong Kong should have x 3 of KL and become 12 carriages? Bare in mind our population density will go lower if you take into consideration of Greater Kuala Lumpur area and become 1k+ population density which the current MRT 1 is serving. Then the differences will be times 6 of Hong Kong. Does that mean Hong Kong should have 24 carriages per train to be consider as plan properly? Like I said earlier, KL and Hong Kong is incomparable when it comes to train capacity as the population density gap between this two cities is so big.
Bare in mind that KL's MRT 1 is just the starting of KL's public transportation rail masterplan. It will need to compliment with MRT 2 and MRT 3 and even with LRT 3 and future BRT. They already take into consideration of transit station, platform design etc etc and we will have cross platform at TRX station with MRT 1 and MRT 2. I definitely won't say it is another mistake/not plan properly. Do you know why Malaysia government choose driverless system? One of the main reason is that we could easily achieve shorter headway with driverless system.
If the government follow your advice then the train line will be running under capacity for the next few decades and keep losing billions of dollar every year. What we need is sustainable public transportation system with reasonable capacity by having lots of facts and data to backup.
NG FU NIEN:
1. Hey Mate be cool. I am not here to argue with you but to share my opinion and knowledge to improve train transportation as a passenger/resident.
You mentioned about 4 carriages is the trend (please refer to your previous comment).
2. Like I said, no train (Metro, Subway, MRT and MTR) in the world is running at 1.5 mins frequency to avoid any unforeseen problem. Normally is about 2-3 mins regardless driverless or driver train. LRT or Tram is a separated matter.
3. Whilst where I live Sydney has about population density of 400/sq km, KL has approximately 6.891/sq km. Our new Sydney Metro (NorthWest) line will have 8 carriages per train every 3-4 mins. It will also driverless. IF I use your concept, then Sydney will only need 2.7 carriages per train (5 million /7.2 million x 4 carriages)! KL Metro has 2,242 sq km and Sydney has 12,367 sq km to support my point.
4. On top of this, LRT is not the replacement for Metro System. The population size of metropolitan KL needs a standard Metro system. It is very pity that the government don't get it right in the first place.
5. The point here is if you want to make KL a top 20 livable city (like PM Najib mentioned) in the world, this will not solve KL congestion issue and will not put KL near the top 20 livable city in the near future. Whilst KL is currently ranked at 70th placed, Sydney is at 11th placed dropped from 7 placed and Melbourne is at the 1st Placed for the last 7 years by Economic Intelligent Unit.
I guess you still don't get it. It doesn't really matter whether it is 4 carriages or 8 carriages or even 12 carriages. What matter is the capacity of the train line and whether it is sustainable and justifiable. I already calculate PPHPD in my previous post and 4 carriages is suitable for KL's MRT 1 as 8 carriages will be too much and unsustainable.
No country in the world is running at 1.5 minutes frequency? There are many countries is having 90 second headway or even lesser and KL's Kelana Jaya line have 90 second headway. Just google the keyword "90 second headway" and you will see a list of line around the world that is running with that frequency.
Sydney Metro (NorthWest) line are targeting 40,000 customers per hour. Like I mentioned earlier KL's MRT 1 can easily upgrade its signalling system to have 48,000 PPHPD since the signalling system that we using are able to support it. The question now is when we need to upgrade it? FYI KL's MRT 1 is now running under capacity even with 4 carriages and it will still be under capacity for the next 5 - 10 years. We will only know after the opening of MRT 2 and MRT 3.
No people care whether KL will be a top 20 liveable city or not. We are talking about KL's MRT 1 and whether it is sustainable and reasonable to have 4 carriages.