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Your first LiPo charger should be the ISDT 608AC (vs. Hobbymate D6 Duo)
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The ISDT 608AC should be your first LiPo charger because it's the right price, it's got ISDT quality, it's got enough power to charge typical FPV packs as fast as is safe, it's got a built in power supply, and it's got one more trick up its sleeve that no other AC-capable charger can do!
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After watching this I've concluded that there's a 80% chance that I'll light myself on fire charging my first lipo.
Lmao same here, I just want to get to flying and not worrying about blowing my house up or my new drone up
Lmao, I died of laughter after reading this 😂
@@TwerpZ if you got something thats a 3inch or bigger.. pause.
get li-ion packs they have longer flight times and are alot safer/stable than lipos although if you wanna do freestyle/racing than stick to lipos
just purchased this to go with my first quad, im so nervous and also wow i've spent a lot of money today
I hear that.. I'm in the same boat lol
Yep, xD... Ordered my stuff this past week haha
Ordered my first today! Was charging your batteries fairly easy with it?
@@dave271614 yeah its super easy!
You get used to it, it never stops
Saying "first charger" is so true :) Having a small collection of chargers is very handy so you can charge flight packs, goggle batteries, and more, all at once.
Looks like it might make a fine second charger. 🤔
Jeez, I was about to have a fit about ISDT putting ac at the end of the model number because I thought the first one JB showed was the 608ac, lol. I think I might add one of these to my charger collection. 😁👍
Complains about the weight of the all in one charger, proceeds to pack multiple 20,000mah 6s batteries. 🤣
I literally just bought this charger when getting my first big boy quad. It was delivered today! Can't open till Christmas. I actually picked the charger for the reasons stated due to the flexibility and the fact that I did not have anything else in my collection yet and didn't want to deal with an external power source. I liked that I can use it for field charging as well. It does sound like a great "first" charger.
why I bought this a while ago: because it came with a wall plug. I don't understand why other devices in the RC world don't come with one, and I'm really happy with this one, currently considering getting two or three more to charge more packs at the same time
I learned something today. I'm afraid to go to sleep now. Cause I'll forget something
When I was starting, I used a laptop power brick and I still do from time to time. It's compact for travel, no exposed wiring, and it's 20V/5A. It works great and helped me save some money.
100 watt charger for a laptop , wtf is that, a gaming laptop? Mine is 10watt TDP lol.
@@boratsagdiyev1586 It's an old one, of course! Not exactly a gaming laptop, but it did have switchable graphics...
Same! I use a 20V 65W laptop adapter both for my ISDT Q6 and my TS100! It's very compact and easy to carry for travel
@@davidfaustino4476 do you guys have 6 pound bricks called a laptop or what lmao
@@boratsagdiyev1586 Mine is 4lb 15 inch with a 135W charger.
I work at hobby store and I've tested probably around 40 chargers. And tbh my absolute best is skyrc d250. Its pretty cheap has 125W per port 2 ports lihv program(suprisingly many chargers still lack it_ and its damn accurate. It also has build in power supply and IT TALKS!!!! And i highly prefer that over this anoying high pitch noise most of the chargers make(you can switch to that if you prefer) it might be like nothing but makes you smile each time you turn it on as well as such a small thing as build in power switch so you can keep it plugged into your wall outlet. Another thing is aluminum case and high quality feel, probably the only con i have for this charger is its very low discharge rate. You should rl review this charger.
@@sdffsdafdsfsdfsd What a good idea, sleeping while your lipo is in charge :D
@@MessFPV probably lives in a cardboard box,,- house burnt down.
Ev0ltion what do you think of the skyrc d100 v2? The d250 at $250 plus tax is to expensive for some
I want a piece of apparel that says your catchphrase. you can hear the excitement in your voice when you say, “you’re gonna learn something today.” Best TH-cam intro imo
JB knows what he’s talking about with these chargers. I bought an ISDT QX6 plus on his recommendation a couple years ago and haven’t needed to buy another charger. 👍 Definitely worth the money I think I might need to pick up a new one now thanks for the advice
So, here's my problem with that charger as a travel charger when you go on that airplane, because this one is oh so lighter. I don't know about you guys, but when I traveling with my quads assuming I took a plane somewhere, I don't have nearly the amount of time to charge batteries as I do at home, and that's when I really need to charge packs as fast as I can. If you're parallel charging, the D6 Duo Pro is the best travel charger hands down. You can't get a more compact combo of a charger and a PSU that can crank 200W.
I personally agree. 200W is enough to crank a parallel board of 10 packs at reasonable speed.
Hota h6 pro is the answer!!
608AC looks like a winner for someone just getting started. Kinda of like Q6 lite with a power supply included!
The extra 200 grams? 😂 Come on, we all need a little workout since we are mostly stationary when flying. I would offer to carry other peoples bags if I had friends who would fly with me 😞
Yeah this guy makes no sense...
Your website is amazing thank you so much. Its answering all my dumb questions that every youtuber skips over. When starting out from zero your site is by far the best source i have found.
Love how you put in all the math - Started taking Electronics 1 for "fun" a long with my regular classes just to understand all my hobby stuff - first thing taught was Ohm's Law and Kirchhoffs Voltage Law... Keep it up, might have to use this video as an example in class!
I literally sat down to watch this as I unboxed my ISDT Q6Pro, I'm glad to see the updated website still has it the right fit for me!
be careful sometimes those magically lost calibration and can ruin your batteries..................... or burn your house.. HAHA
I haven't flown in over a year and a half because other hobbies has been taking up my time but I still watched the entire video 😅
Thanks Bardwell. Great vid. My son and I ordered our Tyro119 a few days ago and I’ve been trying to make a decision on a charger. This really helped.
Looks like a great charger. I like the removable power supply. I use the T240 duo. It's actually a badass charger for 75 bucks.
If anyone ever has problems with the math, refer them to Ohm's Law. Good info JB!
I'm a beginner...and i bought a ToolkitRC M6 just 2 weeks ago..yeah since i dont have any field batteries and have a 150watts smps...i bought it. And it works well for me..
I bought this thing a few weeks ago and it was shipped to me half broken. It charges how it should, but when I tried to discharge or charge my batteries to storage it always says abnormal battery connection and stops the task. I got a second device which was delivered today and it had the same issue. Now I returned it and look for something hopefully better maybe a dual charger. Fingers crossed🤞
I wish I had known about this charger before I got my hands on my imax b6
Personally, I prefer the HobbyMate speed H6 as travel charger.
It’s is AC200/DC700W, it has regenerative and external discharge, and a bigger display.
I don't have any need for a single-channel 700W charger though. I never charge that fast, even when parallel charging. So a 2-channel 650W charger is better for me.
Oh yes, point taken.
BTW, this 608AC seems to me too underpowered and with too small screen.
The old 608 (DC only) was more powerful and nice. (my opinion of course)
Don't tell me this now, I just bought all my gear using your recommendations and links including a Hobbymate D6 Duo.That said, I am very happy with your recommendation! The D6 Duo has worked flawlessly so far.
The D6 Duo is superior. Just most beginners don't want to spend that much money.
1000% agree with JB, you'll be happy with that charger for years to come. Make sure you update the firmware on it, it makes the fans quieter unless they shipped it with the updated firmware already.
Charging batteries on 1C is not so good for batteries as it looks. Because if you charge at 1C you charge at home sometimes one day before flying, because you do not hawe time to charge so slowly at field. And those batteries stay full a lot of time which is bad for bateries. Most modern batteries can be charged at 5C or ewen more, they are full in 10 minutes, and you use them inmidiatly after charged.
You should talk about “power supplies” because you mention those a lot but we have no idea of how do they even look like
Input Voltage: AC 110V~220V. Australia AC power is 230V, will this still work?
Science years ill use only the imax b6 guys they are pretty good and cheap as an original
You can buy it as ac version or as an dc version all metal so it will stay cool and its very small
Thank you Sir Joshua Bardwell for the review! it really helps me a lot
Very informative video. Watt / Volts = AMP or Volts (battery voltage) x AMPs will give you watts.
Gotta play this again and take notes. This is a lot of the info I have been looking for. Awesome content. Thanks!
I know right, I feel like there will be a test later and I need to study
I bought the isdt q8, luckily the power supply of my creality ender 3 is just perfect to power it and uses xt60
12:03 first card i have seen you use I figured you wanted to keep viewers in your description lol nice explanation!
What would be your choice for your first lipo charger three years later?
I'd like to see a review of the most powerful ac/dc charger (using a 24v dc power supply). Not everyone is price conscious and just want to buy the best most powerful. I need a multi charging ports for 3s, 4s, and 6s, and I want to charge them balanced and fast. I value your opinion and would appreciate your suggestions.
Thank you.
I am in the same boat. I would like to charge at 1200 - 2000w from an outlet, probably with PSU + charger, but I haven't found any reasonably priced chargers at that power rating. The reason for this is I travel a lot, and I want a big power pack that I can charge in an hour when stopping at mcdonalds/a public toilet that will last me a week.
@@traniel123456789 You're just not going to find them for cheap, yet. A bench power supply that puts out 12v or 24v and does the 100a it takes to get that kind of power is $100 alone. Add all the circuitry for charging batteries and stepping up/down voltage and it just goes up from there. Technology isn't there yet.
The D6 Duo will also share wattage between ports. If you are using under 50W on one port, the other port can use up to 150W
Between the ISDT 608AC and the D2 which one is better for charging smaller 2S 3S Lipo battery’s?
Might upgrade to this from the cheap/older design (likely both) "HTRC B6 V2" that may or may not be the reason or contributing factor why every flight LiPo I have is puffed.
That and/or poor battery management in flight and over-discharging. I was using older advice to not go below 13.8v on a 4S pack, not the newer advice to not go below 3.5v/cell.
It couldn't have been more than $35, the indicated voltage jumps around a little suggesting component selection issues, and the LCD is a monochrome character display.
For capabilities, it can do up to 80w, up to 6A, up to 6S, and is only nameplated for up to 18v input, so I can't power it off a 5s or 6s (or a laptop brick!) safely. Fortunately I have 12v bricks laying around to power it with, and it plays nice with my power stations. Balancing current is TERRIBLE and balancing a pack takes *forever.*
Accessory features include cell voltage, cell IR, ability to charge older chemistries (lead, nickel) as well as Li-Ion, LiPo, and LiFePo4, discharge mode (VERY low wattage though, a 4S can only discharge at 600mA and makes the unit very toasty!) and a voltage/current regulated power supply mode, although this mode is a little fickle due to the battery disconnect safety still being armed. I wouldn't power a sensitive or low power device with it.
Thanks for your channel! I'm so tempted to start FPV - I used to fly R/C models, and once came 3rd in Quickie 500 nationals pylon racing.
I use the absima CTC1Touch to parallel Charge my lipos for more than 3 jears now (But i must replaced my Fan)
It is all in one charger 100w 10A charger and 5A 50w discharger whith external temperature Sensor
(But it can Charge a little more than its 100W )
It also can be Powered from 12v input.
Dang. Watched this a day to late, ordered the q6 pro yesterday hoping I can sort it out with an old laptop power supply
Joshua! Quick question regarding this charger.
I just charged 3 different 1300mah batteries that I bought for a protek35 using the 608ac. I set it to 1.3 amps (1c?) and 4.2v for the condition, 4s lipo detected automatically. However, the charger beeps a few times after only about 25-30 minutes with a charge of only ~650mah.
Am I doing something wrong? I'm very paranoid about fires... lost everything as a kid in a house fire!
Mine just arrived!
But how do you use it??
The enclosed instructions are useless
I am brand new to the hobby, still waiting on parts for my first 5 inch build. I just bought and received a SKYRC E680 CHARGER 10A 80W AC charger. I plan to use this to charge 3 tattu funfly 1550mah batteries. This video was incredibly helpful and the timing could not be any more perfect for me. Question....Did I make a mistake with the charger choice?
Did you ?
Another well done video. Only one piece of information that I need to know you omitted from it. What is the calculator app you are using? :D
Alright so I've been building a ton of interest in the hobby for a better part of a year now and I finally took the plunge. Ordered a radio, bnf whoop, batteries, etc. I also picked up the 608AC based on this review along with many others as it is my FIRST LiPo charger. My question: can I charge my 1s lipos with it and if so, what's the best method? Just want to get the most out of the charger with the whoop batteries as it will be the main use until I graduate to bigger quads in the future. Thanks for the always stellar content JB.
Is the ISDT 608AC classed as a smart charger please?
Probably a dumb question but is there adapters and balancer boards that fit this to charge multiple types of batteries?
Can you maybe answer why a great feature is missing from lipo chargers..
Don't know how this is called..
A friend of me has a DJI Mavic.. he puts all 4 battery's on this dji charger and the charger charges every battery one by one.. ends the first.. goes to second.. until all 4 are charged.. Why we can not have this feature on our lipo chargers with those parallel boards.. is this so difficult companys to manufacture?
No no no hota d6+ is the best desk lipo charger hands down anyone that reads this do yourself a favor and check it out if your into parallel charging your lipos this is the smallest best charger that gives you ac/dc power but this is for desk charging this looks great for on the go
ISDT 608AC The wattage and ampere matches very nice when supplied from DC and charging 6s.
The hobby mate. I had so .any issue with isdt not charging. Never a issue with the duo. I love this charger.
Gonna go with this I think to parallel charge my 2s 450mah micro qaud batteries, never parallel charged before but a friend is gonna help me to make sure everything is setup right and don't explode or catch anything on fire lol
A word of caution if you are pulling more than 20A you might need heavier house hold wiring or you'll start tripping breakers...
There's no way this little charger will pull more than 20 amps @ 120v = 2400 watts.
@@JoshuaBardwell your right. My bad. I wasn't thinking of the input voltage.
Thanks just starting out in RC hobby and this video helped me out greatly.
Needed a charger knew where to go. Thank you sir!
i still think beginners should buy 2 or 3 accucell chargers before investing in the expensive ones, avoid parallel charging as much as possible, (ever) and as a general rule try to have as many batteries as you can instead of finding yourself needing to recharge while out on a session. get 10 batteries and two cheap chargers, then buy a 3rd and 4rth cheap charger, if you charge above 1 C expect the batteries to die much sooner, small differences in cell health get magnified when you go above 1 C,
When you count in the price of the power supply, the ISDT is not much more expensive than an Accucel, and is much easier to use.
@@JoshuaBardwell yeah i saw even better deal www.banggood.com/HTRC-B6-V2-80W-6A-DC-1-6S-Battery-Balance-Charger-Discharger-Black-With-Power-Supply-p-1583667.html?rmmds=search&ID=47184&cur_warehouse=CN
my thinking is most beginners will be lucky to get 3 packs so having a few cheap chargers will let them get recharged quickly
No way those things are the worst for beginners and thats what I started with and still have them. The Q6 is way better than those accucells, but If this 608AC was out back when I started it would have been awesome. Why do people want new folks to go through the pain we did when there is newer better gear? I would have loved a $60 charger that can do AC/DC back then.
@@pkvillager these do ac/dc too, you dont say why you think they are bad, chargers arent very complicated items, as a beginner you still arent sure if you will dive deep into the hobby, one of the cheap chargers is probably the standard way into the hobby, if youre cheap charger still works why dont you use it?
@@TheMadmacs Well the first accucell didn't do HV so I bought the next version and both of those didn't have AC power supply(I would have had to buy it) plus the menu navigation is poor compared to anything newer. The Q6 was smaller, way easier to use and has a much better charging algorithm, more power. I only use the one accucel to charge goggle and TX packs while flight packs are on the Q6. Plus I found out real fast waiting to charge one pack at a time sucked so I have been parallel charging for a long time. I keep everything that works so that is why I haven't upgraded further. If the Q6 dies (still going strong over 768 packs) I will get a D6 or H6. Built in AC will be great for when I travel.
Could you charge your Lipos in your car by using this with a "cigarette lighting to xt60 adapter cable"?
I didn't Learn anything 😕 Okay so... I have ISDT SMART CHARGET I also Have 3s battery when I charge it its On 2.5 current an its taking 4EVER to charge WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
A lot of maths, but is the ISDT also reliable and accurate? Are the cells measured exactly? These are questions that I ask myself when it comes to chargers. And these are questions that are important. If the charger is inaccurate, the cells will not last any longer, even if I stick to 1C.
ISDT are probably not as accurate as like iCharger but they are good enough for daily use.
IMHO one charger spec that is often over looked is the Balance Current. I purchased 4 of the ToolkitRC M8 to replace some aging IChargers based on the positive reviews. Turns out the Balance Current for the M8 is only 400mah. When charging large packs like a 5000mah 6S pack the charge time is often twice what it should be due to the charger not being able to balance it quickly enough. On the small 1500Mah 4S packs it is a much smaller problem. For this reason I don't recommend the M8 to friends that use the larger packs and looking to replace mine.
When shopping for a charger the first question should be "What is the maximum number of cells in series to charge?"
A 6S charger is useless for 8S battery (but nobody uses 8S batteries .... well some people do).
My 608AC charger specs state a max of 50 watts output when using AC line input.
Got my 608 and it gives me wacky per cell readings, says I have some cells at 1.9v others at 5.85! I pull the battery and check it with my multimeter and it says it's in storage voltage range. It also likes to switch the cell count on me when I leave that menu then go back to it...as in put it on 6s and come back to find it now says 4s! Unfortunately it was purchased as a gift and had been sitting in a drawer waiting to be given to me. The easy Amazon return option is long gone and the idea of dealing with China does not fill me with joy.
Hope you have better luck than I did.
My first was /is the T8 and I use a 24v 15a supply, I'm thinking about moving up to a 36v 20a supply, or possible 48v 15a, I don't recall what the voltage limit is, I will likely use a DC boost converter, to charge my 7s liion bank with it, I mostly use it on single cells now, it's a nice charger the controls can be annoying!!
I need a small compact charger to take with me on a trip
I will be taking phone chargers with me anyway so can that charger be powered and charge my batteries with an in wall phone charger?
I feel like an isdt t6 for $80 and some server PSUs for another $20 has a better price to performance ratio than the D6. Only $100 for a 780w setup.
Yes and no. By pure wattage you're right. But you wind up with only a single channel that way. And then there's the portability factor. Try packing that charger and that server PSU with you along with everything else you gotta take when you take a plane flight and want to bring your quads. Taking a D6 Duo Pro is so much more compact and convenient. Comparing the D6 Duo without the internal PSU? Again, you are missing the second channel with the T6.
I use a reedy 1216 c2. I raced 1:10 scale rc, so needing to heat packs right before the race and 12 amps was good enough for me.
That 15A charging rate is *per channel*, something you might want to clarify, as you could do two at 15A with a beefy enough DC supply. Not sure if that's what you meant, but it's a little hard to tell. :)
im building batteries for powertools, so i will be at home all the time when do it.
i need my battery cells to be balanced before i start put them together, what is good recommendation? just as cheap as possible.
i dont need it to be fast charged, coz once batteries are assembled, the dedicated charger for the tool will do the job. all i need is balance them.
Hi can you help I have a Geprc Mk 4 7 inch with 1800KV motors, I want get the longest flight time what battery would recommend.
When you take off power supply of the charger, what connection does it have XT60 ? To power it on to car battery? This charger to ISDT Q60 what is better?
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you're charging multiple batteries this means you will have less current output. I = P/V so as you add more batteries, the voltage rises which decreases current. This seems backwards to me because I would think the charger would have to output more current to account for the multiple batteries it needs to feed. Could you clear this confusion for me? Thanks.
I got ToolkitRC M8S and don't regret.
Hello Joshua, as always, thanks for your help. I got this charger but unfortunately I smashed the OLED and I cannot find a spare part. Do you know where I can get one? Or do you have contacts with the manufacturer... Appreciated.
@Joshua Bardwell - Thinking to go with either ISDT 608AC which already comes with both options, AC as well as DC, and it's basically the same price of the other option... the other option being ToolkitRC M7 + ADP-100 power supply. What would you prefer, ISDT or ToolkitRC in this case? I am trying to decide which one to go with as my first 6s battery charger. I do have SkyRC S65 and love that thing, but unfortunately it goes up to 4s only. Thank you so much for your kind advice in advance!
I'd take the ISDT as toolkitrc sometimes has issues with build quality.
@@JoshuaBardwell - Thank you so much for your kind reply, greatly appreciated! I guess if I go with ISDT D1, which is just a little more expensive than that ToolkitRC combo I've mentioned above, is it safe to say D1 is definitely better option then (I mean even better than ISDT 608AC)?
Anyone use the destroy function? Just used it on 2s 450 mah battery. Completely drained one of the cells that's not reading anymore but cell one keeps giving me a voltage....and when plugged in to check it keeps going up. Ran destroy one more time with the same result. is this right or is there something i'm missing? A bit of a noob over here but made the mistake of watching lipo fires and now I'm freaked.
the only problem with ISDT is their LCD, vignetting after 2 years of use (mine gets worse after 3 years). I don't know if they fix them in the latest batch. But mine and a couple of friends of mine get the same problem.
With the 608 can you discharge batteries?
Thanks JB 👍👊
Who has the best DC power supply to purchase for this? Just got the charger and I love it but I'm thinking I want the full 200 watt power when at the house.
D6 Duo AC is quite a good charger in anyway, two channel, 200W AC, not very big(comparing to other AC chargers at this power)
i appreciate you bro, ill buy from your list.
Anyone please advice!!! Suppose I want to drive to the park and fly for an hour and a half. What is the best number of batteries and charger combination to accomplish that before going home?
and going out the next day or weekend to do it again. First time builder. Thanks for the video series, incredibly helpful!!!
Hey Joshua, which calculator App do you use ?
halo jb, could u give a recommended charger in 2022? thank you!
Can it charge by balance port only ? I also have 2 cell car batteries that use different main connector (not xt60) and don't want to rig adapters. I understand that charging by balance port will be slower but I don't really care about speed. If not, what chargers can charge by balance port only ? Thanks.
Hey, I'm a beginner to FPV and looking for a charger for Cinelog 30 Analog that's XT30, is this charger compatible with it?
Do I need a balance board to charge my 2s battery?
Got this as my first charger, very nice for sure! I'm looking for recommendations on another charger
How fast would the IDST 608AC charge a 4S 5000Mah Lipo, vs. the Hobbymate D6?
How is the ISDT D2 Mark 2 in comparison?
Just looked up this charger on Amazon. It got far too many bad reviews to be considered. Might want to reconsider recommending it.
What’s the balance current on the 608AC
Hi! Love your videos! I bought those SPIM08HP lithium ion polymer 200A packs. I have 150 of them. They need to be cycled first. What charger cycles lithium batteries all by itself. My turnigy cycles NiCad or NiMh up to 5 times. Can I use this setting?
That's such a great design!
You didn’t say anything about balance current as it’s very important feature and yeah I guess ISDT 608ac has 1500mA.
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Hi i have that isdt charger what size battery would you recommend as a good field charging battery if you have a video all ready post a link if like to hear you answer. I am mainly charger 4s 1300 mah and have a few 6s 1300 mah batteries also and also putting this question your v2 parallel board for 6s batteries is the balance plug compatible with the other size batteries. Like the balance port on the isdt. Thank you your videos are very informative 👍