They did the Elantra N dirty...used a manual instead of the quicker DCT, and repeatedly admitted to poor quality tires. You're Car and Driver, you're telling me you ordered tires in 2023, and they didn't arrive in time?
Can really hear the effect of the worn tires with what they are talking about as far as it’s driving dynamics. I own one and the car decidedly defaults to oversteer when driven into a corner a little too hot not understeer. You also have to do something really dumb to it to make it understeer badly on corner exit as well.
Please bring the Elantra N DCT with fresh tires in 2024. The majority of Elantras being sold are DCT while the other cars don't even have an automatic option.
They need to run the EN on fresh tires. And I would love to see them compare their times with the Manuel and the dct because they said they got a better time with the Kona and I’m sure the tires and the dct may have helped with that. Hope we don’t have to wait a year to get an updated lap time
Cup 2 tires are probably worth at least a couple seconds on that lap. Power and weight are pretty similar - in another video the weights were spot on each other and the Civic nominally only has 15 more HP.
My 2021 R is on 265/35/18 all around and on Cup 2s it's amazing. On RE71RS now which has similar stick but Cup 2 has better feedback at the edge. Going to Cup2 R this summer. Also going to a 305 upfront. 640hp and the chassis eats it up with a smile. FL5 should be even better
Can the Type R's stability control be fully switched off on "individual mode" with different damper setting not in +R? I've heard it can't but would be nice to know for real.
dang-- it's really disappointing for Hyundai to simply not be more prepared. With Road and Track at Monticello, the N was .8 seconds and 1.4 seconds behind the GR and Type-R respectively a lap. That is INSANELY close for the disparity between Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2s and PS4ses..........not even considering ADM, the value is just off the charts for the N.......and with skin in the game at 15k miles on a Performance Blue 6-spd, I absolutely love the car.......
I blame Hyundai USA for not prepping the EN for a major oem track test. These are not their cars… it doesn’t make sense to push it over the limit if it’s not properly prepped. People should be glad they even tested it! They said they’ll try again it next year.
EN w/ DCT is about 2 sec faster than Kona N at 2 min track. That puts it about 3min 3~4sec. If it has cup2, it will shave another 2sec ish, which is about 3:01~3:02. It won't be faster than GR or CTR for sure but respectable for what it is.
oh no no.. a track tire like cup 2 shaves off 2 sec on a short track of 1.5 min. Guarantee it will shave off atleast 3-4 sec to reach the 3:00 mark, just a second behind type R
There is a guy doing Time Attack with an Elantra N here on YT. He’s running 18x9 wheels with 255 RT660 track tires and he’s regularly beating Type R’s.
Snag@ Not that simple I'm afraid. Presenters contribute to this confusion with their lap time delta remarks. Besides tires, you have to factor in overall vehicle height, f/r track, the center of gravity, ride height, overall weight, f/r weight distribution.... etc. Couldn't help but notice for the high speed corners on the EN run the braking zones were pushed back to the 4+ board. Also for med speed corners the driver had to really feather the throttle to avoid understeer. When was the last time you heard that word mentioned in the same sentence as EN? Also in low speed corners had to wait until the car was pointed straight. Taken together the aggregate of these factors is much more than the 2 seconds you claim. I'd be underwhelmed if the EN on fresh tires didn't go at least 3 - 4 seconds faster than the lap time posted for the Kona N. And we all know the new ctr is on the optional $3.1K lightweight wheels to gain any advantage possible. Can't help but wonder if the ctr OEM tires are bespoke as well. EN on equal tires and wheels makes for a very interesting comparison. And would certainly be on par with the new ctr, with less HP/TQ which tells me the EN chassis is generating more mechanical grip out of the box... which is an advantage for Hyundai. And explains (partially) why they have had success in CTR.
Lightning Lap should be performed by the same driver with all the cars. I believe some are much better than others. Still disappointed with the WRX performance, I believe it could do it much better…
I noticed several drivers doing completely random stuff like entering a corner from the center of the track, bashing over curbs, unnecessarily going into the grass, and taking bad lines constantly. Maybe they didn’t get enough track time this year but in all honesty watching this and LL 2022 back to back was pretty different.
That was my feeling Type R will beat Supra 3.0 at VIR. I'm looking for SCCA T3 race car and I think I know what I want at this point. Supra 2.0 is 3 seconds behind.
Great commentary. It would have been interesting if Car and Driver had put the same driver who lapped the Civic Type R Limited Edition last year, also lap the FL5 Type R to remove any possibility of a driver variable impacting lap times. The FK8 Limited Edition had Cup2s as well, but narrower tires at 245 vs. 265 on the FL5. It would be a good exercise to have the same driver and tire combination to level the plainfield for a comparison. Either way, FL5 did amazing!
What was the purpose of including the Elantra N if you driving it on banana peel. The ELSD is good but now you just hating 😂 so why talk about it like the run or lap time mattered it’s all or nothing remove it
Yikes it's not entirely your fault but it's a wash tires are massive in general and even more so with a higher HP FWD car. The GR Corolla is underwhelming overall the FL5 is superior but not worth the markup minimum
I used to own Kia's until I got a job in the service department at a Kia dealership. The vehicles have too many electrical issues and cheap engines. Btw, Kia considers excessive loss of oil if it loses at least one quart of oil per thousand miles driven. If you're vehicle loses less than one quart of oil per thousand miles, Kia considers the oil loss acceptable and the engine to be good.
Hyundai KIA cars are 1. catches fire, 2. easy to steal, 3. engine Blow up 4. weakest transmission in the market 5. company lie about gas mileage 6. insurance refuse to cover 7. use child labor to manufacture. 😁
Trooper shows up at your house and knocks on the door. Trooper: Here's your ticket for speeding and reckless driving You: But officer I wasn't speeding... I promise. Trooper: Your car reported that you were speeding and driving reckless. GR Corolla: Yeah I reported you and next time I'm telling your insurance company. You then sale the GR Corolla and buy a proper gutless Corolla thanks to Toyota safety innovation.
Was up with the elantra (Hyundai /KIA) love? Does the steering wheel taste like beer or something.? It's a Hyundai, a car company that cuts corners alot. It's the most stolen maker because of lax security, engines catching fire. Etc etc
They did the Elantra N dirty...used a manual instead of the quicker DCT, and repeatedly admitted to poor quality tires. You're Car and Driver, you're telling me you ordered tires in 2023, and they didn't arrive in time?
The Elantra N really needs a retest before the next LL2024. One year is too long to wait.
yes! I was hoping you would chime in.......so curious about one driver, all Cup 2s, GR, Type-R, and our Korean underdog......
Anything else would be a disservice for an unbiased review
And Octane learned......despite how painful that process can be.
Re-test the Elantra N!
Can really hear the effect of the worn tires with what they are talking about as far as it’s driving dynamics. I own one and the car decidedly defaults to oversteer when driven into a corner a little too hot not understeer. You also have to do something really dumb to it to make it understeer badly on corner exit as well.
We need to see the facelift Elantra N with a DCT (and fresh tires lol) for the 2025 Lightning Lap!
Please bring the Elantra N DCT with fresh tires in 2024. The majority of Elantras being sold are DCT while the other cars don't even have an automatic option.
The Elantra is by far the bargain of that group…with proper tires and tweaks it’s right in there
Corolla is insane
@@beamtweez1210 and way overpriced
Retest the Elantra N with the same tires as the Type R and the DCT
They need to run the EN on fresh tires. And I would love to see them compare their times with the Manuel and the dct because they said they got a better time with the Kona and I’m sure the tires and the dct may have helped with that. Hope we don’t have to wait a year to get an updated lap time
Should test the DCT with good tires. Would be much more competitive.
Civic type R is manual only. Apples to apples
For a Corolla with less power and more weight to be within 1-2 sec of the Civic is impressive
Cup 2 tires are probably worth at least a couple seconds on that lap. Power and weight are pretty similar - in another video the weights were spot on each other and the Civic nominally only has 15 more HP.
Run the 2024 EN with fresh tires, DCT, and octane learned please 🙏
My 2021 R is on 265/35/18 all around and on Cup 2s it's amazing. On RE71RS now which has similar stick but Cup 2 has better feedback at the edge. Going to Cup2 R this summer. Also going to a 305 upfront. 640hp and the chassis eats it up with a smile. FL5 should be even better
Man Id love to see the dct EN times
Great videos! Thanks! Where can we see an updated VIR lap time list that includes the latest 2023 times?
Right here www.caranddriver.com/features/a23319884/lightning-lap-times-historical-data/
Can the Type R's stability control be fully switched off on "individual mode" with different damper setting not in +R? I've heard it can't but would be nice to know for real.
No it can’t
only in service mode
dang-- it's really disappointing for Hyundai to simply not be more prepared. With Road and Track at Monticello, the N was .8 seconds and 1.4 seconds behind the GR and Type-R respectively a lap. That is INSANELY close for the disparity between Michelin Pilot Sport Cup2s and PS4ses..........not even considering ADM, the value is just off the charts for the N.......and with skin in the game at 15k miles on a Performance Blue 6-spd, I absolutely love the car.......
does fl5 has H0 marked Cup 2 or is that just normal cup 2？
I blame Hyundai USA for not prepping the EN for a major oem track test. These are not their cars… it doesn’t make sense to push it over the limit if it’s not properly prepped. People should be glad they even tested it! They said they’ll try again it next year.
EN w/ DCT is about 2 sec faster than Kona N at 2 min track.
That puts it about 3min 3~4sec.
If it has cup2, it will shave another 2sec ish, which is about 3:01~3:02.
It won't be faster than GR or CTR for sure but respectable for what it is.
oh no no.. a track tire like cup 2 shaves off 2 sec on a short track of 1.5 min. Guarantee it will shave off atleast 3-4 sec to reach the 3:00 mark, just a second behind type R
3.03 for dct (higher dyno, quicker shifts) based on your comparison to kona n at 3.06, then expect down to 3 min mark with cup 2s.
There is a guy doing Time Attack with an Elantra N here on YT. He’s running 18x9 wheels with 255 RT660 track tires and he’s regularly beating Type R’s.
Snag@ Not that simple I'm afraid. Presenters contribute to this confusion with their lap time delta remarks. Besides tires, you have to factor in overall vehicle height, f/r track, the center of gravity, ride height, overall weight, f/r weight distribution.... etc. Couldn't help but notice for the high speed corners on the EN run the braking zones were pushed back to the 4+ board. Also for med speed corners the driver had to really feather the throttle to avoid understeer. When was the last time you heard that word mentioned in the same sentence as EN? Also in low speed corners had to wait until the car was pointed straight. Taken together the aggregate of these factors is much more than the 2 seconds you claim.
I'd be underwhelmed if the EN on fresh tires didn't go at least 3 - 4 seconds faster than the lap time posted for the Kona N. And we all know the new ctr is on the optional $3.1K lightweight wheels to gain any advantage possible. Can't help but wonder if the ctr OEM tires are bespoke as well. EN on equal tires and wheels makes for a very interesting comparison. And would certainly be on par with the new ctr, with less HP/TQ which tells me the EN chassis is generating more mechanical grip out of the box... which is an advantage for Hyundai. And explains (partially) why they have had success in CTR.
Lightning Lap should be performed by the same driver with all the cars. I believe some are much better than others.
Still disappointed with the WRX performance, I believe it could do it much better…
I noticed several drivers doing completely random stuff like entering a corner from the center of the track, bashing over curbs, unnecessarily going into the grass, and taking bad lines constantly. Maybe they didn’t get enough track time this year but in all honesty watching this and LL 2022 back to back was pretty different.
That was my feeling Type R will beat Supra 3.0 at VIR. I'm looking for SCCA T3 race car and I think I know what I want at this point. Supra 2.0 is 3 seconds behind.
Awesome cars
Was hoping for more commentary on how the type r drives than the random car banter during that session
Bring the DCT
Agreed
Great commentary. It would have been interesting if Car and Driver had put the same driver who lapped the Civic Type R Limited Edition last year, also lap the FL5 Type R to remove any possibility of a driver variable impacting lap times. The FK8 Limited Edition had Cup2s as well, but narrower tires at 245 vs. 265 on the FL5. It would be a good exercise to have the same driver and tire combination to level the plainfield for a comparison. Either way, FL5 did amazing!
Had a Sonata and the engine caught fire suddenly ...
Please retest the Elantra N with new tires !
my friend got Elantra N, until it caught fire.....❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
@@michelangelo2200 alright let's hear it.......
Looks like he drive gr corolla alittle more aggressive
It’s Asian marizo not Italian maritso
You need fresh tires, octane learning and the DCT. Not a fair comparison in the slightest.
What was the purpose of including the Elantra N if you driving it on banana peel. The ELSD is good but now you just hating 😂 so why talk about it like the run or lap time mattered it’s all or nothing remove it
Yikes it's not entirely your fault but it's a wash tires are massive in general and even more so with a higher HP FWD car. The GR Corolla is underwhelming overall the FL5 is superior but not worth the markup minimum
I used to own Kia's until I got a job in the service department at a Kia dealership. The vehicles have too many electrical issues and cheap engines. Btw, Kia considers excessive loss of oil if it loses at least one quart of oil per thousand miles driven. If you're vehicle loses less than one quart of oil per thousand miles, Kia considers the oil loss acceptable and the engine to be good.
Yep, and as a Mercedes service adviser, MB has pretty much the exact same spec, just sayin'.....that's not unusual a range at all.
Damn, the Elantra N got robbed not having proper tires. 😭
Trash
And not using the faster DCT that makes more power than the manual
Hyundai KIA cars are
1. catches fire,
2. easy to steal,
3. engine Blow up
4. weakest transmission in the market
5. company lie about gas mileage
6. insurance refuse to cover
7. use child labor to manufacture. 😁
at leastit didnt catch fire.
@@franpancho1000 no! let's go matched tires AND matched gearboxes.......
Trooper shows up at your house and knocks on the door.
Trooper: Here's your ticket for speeding and reckless driving
You: But officer I wasn't speeding... I promise.
Trooper: Your car reported that you were speeding and driving reckless.
GR Corolla: Yeah I reported you and next time I'm telling your insurance company.
You then sale the GR Corolla and buy a proper gutless Corolla thanks to Toyota safety innovation.
Was up with the elantra (Hyundai /KIA) love? Does the steering wheel taste like beer or something.? It's a Hyundai, a car company that cuts corners alot. It's the most stolen maker because of lax security, engines catching fire. Etc etc