Great video again, what thickness of metal did you use to support the center rail? and where did you get those flotation bags for the shins? both good ideas
the metal is just an aluminum yard stic from harbor freight. they are about 1/16" thick. The ankle blocks are from Shawn Alexander at Fall Line Canoe equipment.
hey! havent watched video fully. what is a c1 used for? seems like big water(canada,alaska,etc...).. i just have been running into boats like these online with BIG FOAM IN BACK,SIDE AND FRONTS. any explanation what you run these foams for?
C1 is just another craft for navigating whitewater. It is kneeling in a closed deck canoe using a single canoe paddle as opposed to sitting and using a kayak paddle (K1). There are very few factory c1s made today so most c1 paddlers convert kayaks like this to paddle as a c1. There are great c1 paddlers doing just about everything kayakers are doing in whitewater kayaks.
@@kendingsor thanks for that. really interesting. where do i find some videos of c1 paddlers(in kayak) running rivers? just to see the difference between sit down and kneel?
I'm not sure if the cascades were crosslink or linear plastic if they are not crosslink then I would just weld it. If it is, then I would use gflex and maybe a glass patch
The pillars hold it in place and then the saddle is glued to the rail and the foam on either side of it. This one the rail isn't glued in but you could totally just glue it to the foam if you're worried about it shifting around.
So as a c1, people (myself included) usually use a canoe paddle. There are a few trade offs. The canoe blade has more surface area than one half of a kayak blade so while you lose some cadence, you gain more purchase. The kneeling position in combination with T-grip also gives you much more leverage than a kayak paddle so there is more power behind a single stroke, again at the cost of cadence. Ergonomically it works better. Because you are higher up, you would need a longer kayak paddle to get the blade in the water the same way and the angle your wrists hold the shaft would make that more awkward than having one hand on the end with a T-grip. I also think there is some tradition involved. How the sport evolved with canoeists modifying their boats to ultimately be using kayak hulls as a canoe. At times there have been purpose built c1s but when there hasn't been the availability and range of kayak designs offered more options to those willing to do the conversion themselves.
@@kendingsor This is all very interesting. I've been a hardcore flatwater kayaker for a few years, lol. Sometimes that "flatwater" is pretty fast and has some rapids. I've always paddled a Perception Manatee, lol. Anywho so I'm ready to up the anty. But then was completely discouraged after feeling what it is to sit in a whitewater boat. My legs simply don't bend outwordly like that, and I have long legs too. My knees, man. So much weird straining and discomfort. When I discovered the kneeling position, and TRIED IT, all my worries seemed to go out the window. Then I was told about the one-bladed paddle... so now that's freakin me out lol. But I've never tried it. Anywho, thanks for the great info!
@@kendingsor also, I've actually always found the general kayaking position with any kayak (legs out in front) to be inconvenient and not great. I can't believe kneeling isn't more popular. I can't be the only one that thinks sitting with your legs out in front isn't comfortable. I add a ton of height to my seat just in my Perception, which helps.
@@ChristelVinot I'm 6'8" so just don't fit in most kayaks and ended up canoeing for similar comfort reasons. Having a single blade definitely has its own challenges but also rewards. Offside moves feel amazing to do cleanly. They are also more tippy from the higher center of gravity. I lost a lot of my ankle mobility from a foot injury a little more than a year ago so c1ing became more challenging and I've been ww kayaking a lot since while working on getting that mobility back. There are more tall friendly kayak designs than when I started. One thing to consider with whitewater boats is that different designs and outfitting can have a big difference in comfort. Seating position, and knee position can vary a lot. My wife is small but had issues with hip impingement in certain designs with wide thigh hooks. Took her some trial and error to find a boat/outfitting combination to be comfortable in. You need to be tight and properly outfitted in a whitewater boat for good boat control and rolling. It's often a process to get that dialed. C1s require custom built outfitting which is often even more involved. Clubs vary in quality and community but they are often the best starting point to be able sit in a variety of boats and basic classes to get over that initial learning curve. Don't give up! Definitely try some different boats maybe a c1 or open canoe to find what works for you!
@@kendingsor it's very encouraging to know that there are all kinds of boats and modifications and it's just a matter of figuring out how to make it fit right for me. thanks again!
awesome not much c1 content out their, I converted a boat on my channel with bit of a different style check it out if you want, and tell me what you think!
This is sweet - thanks for sharing!
Great video again, what thickness of metal did you use to support the center rail? and where did you get those flotation bags for the shins? both good ideas
the metal is just an aluminum yard stic from harbor freight. they are about 1/16" thick. The ankle blocks are from Shawn Alexander at Fall Line Canoe equipment.
hey! havent watched video fully. what is a c1 used for? seems like big water(canada,alaska,etc...).. i just have been running into boats like these online with BIG FOAM IN BACK,SIDE AND FRONTS. any explanation what you run these foams for?
C1 is just another craft for navigating whitewater. It is kneeling in a closed deck canoe using a single canoe paddle as opposed to sitting and using a kayak paddle (K1). There are very few factory c1s made today so most c1 paddlers convert kayaks like this to paddle as a c1. There are great c1 paddlers doing just about everything kayakers are doing in whitewater kayaks.
@@kendingsor thanks for that. really interesting. where do i find some videos of c1 paddlers(in kayak) running rivers? just to see the difference between sit down and kneel?
Landon Miller is a great C1 Kajaker who does Big Water Stuff :)
Hey Ken, you are super crafty. I got an old Dagger Cascade C1. It's got a gash in the hull. Any tips on repairing that to keep it afloat? Cheers.
I'm not sure if the cascades were crosslink or linear plastic if they are not crosslink then I would just weld it. If it is, then I would use gflex and maybe a glass patch
Thank you! I'll research the composition and go forward with your suggestions. Cheers.
Hey, so how did you attach the rail back to the bottom of the kayak? Did you just glue it to the foam?
The pillars hold it in place and then the saddle is glued to the rail and the foam on either side of it. This one the rail isn't glued in but you could totally just glue it to the foam if you're worried about it shifting around.
do you use a double bladed paddle or a single bladed paddle when kayaking in a kneeling position and why?
So as a c1, people (myself included) usually use a canoe paddle. There are a few trade offs. The canoe blade has more surface area than one half of a kayak blade so while you lose some cadence, you gain more purchase. The kneeling position in combination with T-grip also gives you much more leverage than a kayak paddle so there is more power behind a single stroke, again at the cost of cadence. Ergonomically it works better. Because you are higher up, you would need a longer kayak paddle to get the blade in the water the same way and the angle your wrists hold the shaft would make that more awkward than having one hand on the end with a T-grip. I also think there is some tradition involved. How the sport evolved with canoeists modifying their boats to ultimately be using kayak hulls as a canoe. At times there have been purpose built c1s but when there hasn't been the availability and range of kayak designs offered more options to those willing to do the conversion themselves.
@@kendingsor This is all very interesting. I've been a hardcore flatwater kayaker for a few years, lol. Sometimes that "flatwater" is pretty fast and has some rapids. I've always paddled a Perception Manatee, lol. Anywho so I'm ready to up the anty. But then was completely discouraged after feeling what it is to sit in a whitewater boat. My legs simply don't bend outwordly like that, and I have long legs too. My knees, man. So much weird straining and discomfort. When I discovered the kneeling position, and TRIED IT, all my worries seemed to go out the window. Then I was told about the one-bladed paddle... so now that's freakin me out lol. But I've never tried it. Anywho, thanks for the great info!
@@kendingsor also, I've actually always found the general kayaking position with any kayak (legs out in front) to be inconvenient and not great. I can't believe kneeling isn't more popular. I can't be the only one that thinks sitting with your legs out in front isn't comfortable. I add a ton of height to my seat just in my Perception, which helps.
@@ChristelVinot I'm 6'8" so just don't fit in most kayaks and ended up canoeing for similar comfort reasons. Having a single blade definitely has its own challenges but also rewards. Offside moves feel amazing to do cleanly. They are also more tippy from the higher center of gravity. I lost a lot of my ankle mobility from a foot injury a little more than a year ago so c1ing became more challenging and I've been ww kayaking a lot since while working on getting that mobility back. There are more tall friendly kayak designs than when I started.
One thing to consider with whitewater boats is that different designs and outfitting can have a big difference in comfort. Seating position, and knee position can vary a lot. My wife is small but had issues with hip impingement in certain designs with wide thigh hooks. Took her some trial and error to find a boat/outfitting combination to be comfortable in. You need to be tight and properly outfitted in a whitewater boat for good boat control and rolling. It's often a process to get that dialed. C1s require custom built outfitting which is often even more involved.
Clubs vary in quality and community but they are often the best starting point to be able sit in a variety of boats and basic classes to get over that initial learning curve. Don't give up! Definitely try some different boats maybe a c1 or open canoe to find what works for you!
@@kendingsor it's very encouraging to know that there are all kinds of boats and modifications and it's just a matter of figuring out how to make it fit right for me. thanks again!
Great video, but it left out the need to increase kayaker’s balls size to cboater’s balls size.
awesome not much c1 content out their, I converted a boat on my channel with bit of a different style check it out if you want, and tell me what you think!
The non T nut option is called a Chicago screw
Ay yo, where can i get just that rail for the bottom?
That's the factory kayak rail.