Whether or not EP and JT don't like each other, I think it's been pretty apparent that EP isn't worth the amount of money he's making. In my opinion he's not able to create offence like other elite players, because he's not fast enough, strong enough, or tenacious enough to overcome defence that plays him hard. It happened in the playoffs last year and in the regular season leading up to the playoffs. A good defensive player that makes his life uncomfortable in the game seems to be enough to nullify him. That has been my opinion for a long time, but I feel like at the current price it's even more pronounced.
He’s playing with dog water line mates, he was popping off when JT was out because he had Hughes and plays ran through him. When JT is in the line up he’s tocc’s little pet so he gets all the ice time with Hughes and it leaves pettey to carry 4 scrubs being the only one of the ice that’s a threat, if we had a better D core it wouldn’t be an issue. But this team is trasssssssh without Hughes on the ice.
@@JohnRedCorn79 I would agree last year, but DeBrusk has been a big improvement, and when Connar Garland is on that line he (Garland) looks like the best player out there. The intensity and grit the Garland brings to the line creates space and time for Petey, not to mention DeBrusk is a pretty real threat as well. EP does get ice time with Hughes, but they spend a lot of time in their own zone. I agree that everything relies on Hughes, but I think Garland and JT both have the ability to make things happen. Garland not at the level of JT, and JT not at the level of Hughes. But imo Petey doesn't have the ability to make something happen in the way the other players do. He's an amazing finisher and has an incredible shot and can do some amazing things with the puck. But doesn't show the drive or doesn't have the skills (not sure which) to put his line mates on his back. It's crazy how Garland can do that.
i say that it is because Petey is young. people said that about the Sedins too. and they grew into their roles and their game, earning a way into the hall of fame - and the record time on the grind. Petey will have to be judged on his entire arc of his career, like the Sedins have been. It's a swede thing. Naslund was the same as well. He wasn't great until he eventually was.
@@maxrae43 And still there is no cup in Vancouver despite the Sedinery and Nazzy being great. Don't get me wrong, all three were amazing players but they couldn't get it done when it mattered most. Can't win with Petey in the playoffs either. Too soft. When time and space are cut down and the grit is increased, he is an average player.
@@buzz6775 💯. I was going to respond with this as well. Naslund never made it past the second round and the Sedins only did it once. They were amazing players, but the results were never there in the playoffs. That's actually what worries me about Petey that he might fall into this type of story as well.
Why was Allvin in such a rush to sign EP40? He was a RFA, it’s not like he could’ve left in free agency. If Allvin had waited until after the playoffs, he would’ve known that EP40 is not an 11.6 million dollar player.
I would have waited to see his playoff performance last year before giving him that deal. The playoff performance last year was absolutely bad and not worth 11.5 million
If Petterson would voluntarily reduce his 11mil down to 5, he’d earn the respect back with his teammates, will take some of the pressure off to produce, it’s a win for everyone
If Miller ever learns how to play a 200 foot game he will be a better player. Petterson is good defensively at least when he isn't putting up numbers offensively. Ive seen Miller gives up on too many plays for me to say he is a better player than Petterson.
Who doesn't fit the system is the way to look at it. I watch players talking to Miller, Pete not so much. He looks like an island to himself on the bench. Contract handicaps our D and future.
Miller isn’t a saint. Don’t forget him quitting on a play under Boudreau a couple of years ago as well as losing it on a goalie not going to the bench when HE wanted. Yes Petey needs to step up and Miller needs to get over himself.
The were rumors that Miller can get unhinged at the drop of a hat. And he didn't exactly call Petey a "baby" as they reported. It was a "b" word though.
Soon as miller comes back Petey disappears. When miller left all of a sudden petey was lighting it up. It’s very obvious jt miller left because he got benched and petey got nothing. It’s so obvious. Media acting jt is burnt out lmao
The only issue i have with this rhetoric is that they were standing right next to eachother at practice, if they hate eachother they would have been as far apart as possible
Not true at all buddy. I played hockey, I had team mates I hated....but for the sake of the team and the impact of games I put it aside and didn't have any drama. They can not like each other and stand next to each other. They're grown men.....not children.
Not everyone on a team likes each other lol. It's already been reported by trusted people that they don't see "eye to eye" which means they aren't fond of each other.
At this point if one of them gets traded.....it's probably JT Miller. He's older....but his contract would be easier to move. I don't think anyone would be willing to take on Petersons FULL contract at this point. He hasn't shown he's worth 11.5. Vancouver would have to retain his cap hit....I don't think they'd be willing to do that. So Miller would be the one moved IMO
#40 has shown he's got the problem, and he does not get benched Jt Miller is a hard-working player who can get points But the coach will bench JT Miller..Crazy
It says more about Jt than Petey. Did you even see how JT was playing prior to benching? Him asking for the break is a confirmation of somethings wrong he’s dealing with at that time.
I was saying this when JT first walked off the team i was told im an idiot , i dont know what i am talking about , how would u know if your not in the locker room, its plan as day they dont get along and the team is divided its not going to get any better any time soon!!
The Petey contract is a disaster. I said that from the beginning, and all the Pettersson fanboys had a shitfit. Miller is a problem in the room. The Lightning knew that and got rid of him. I know of a successful football coach who had a player come to him about how he thought his teammates thought of/treated him. The coach told him that there was always going to be 1/3 of the guys who liked him, 1/3 who couldn't stand him, and 1/3 who couldn't care less either way. Now a football locker room is much bigger than a hockey locker room, but I believe the principle or ratio would be similar. It's human nature. I am sick and tired of both of them now actually. Trade them both out of here while you still can or tell them to get a real job in the real world. They are all babies.
My choice would be to flog EP. He strikes me as the kind of player that would be sulking if he wasn't the centre of attention. JT is getting too popular for his liking. JT has much more heart, where as EP at times seems disinterested in performing. Could be a good time to try and get Bedard out of Chicago. It seems he, and the team may be willing to part ways.
That could really work for the Canucks, a real good player on his entre level deal. That would make room for more short term high quality players. I think things need a shake up. Paying $11.6 a season is good motivator the way i see it. It's too bad the way it looks right now, irrecognizable differences.
@@staffan144 nah, i love petey and happy we have him. Im just saying petey is sheltered. Miller gets the wrath. We've seen it enough to know thats the approach to each player. Toch preaches accountability but other than a few 15min total ice time games petey hasnt really had to be held accountable.
Watch the body language when Petey scores, there's not much happiness from the others and he looks disappointed maybe because of this. Miller barely fist bumps him after the group hug. I also read a comment somewhere that is now deleted, basically saying Miller had some kind of outburst with Petey in the locker room right before his 10 game sabbatical. It's been speculated he likes to get in Peteys face in the heat of the moment
Idk what people talk about the lotto line was arguably the best line in hockey at one point, these guys can work together they have in the past, get yourself a 2c and put those guys together and they will work it out on a line together
Make a video about Trading Petty for the Sens for Brady Tkachuk we need more strong rough guys who will get along with Miller not SIMP video game players we need tough hockey players.
this is stupid, top line min is only available to one line , so whoever get 2nd line min is going to diminish in production ... they are both in PP unit ... JT carry the puck better so he tend to get more puck control over EP ... then we have hughes , so naturally one of the 3 is going to play away from the puck .. and have brock who is more filling to crash the net, it would be normal to take G away from EP... when JT is gone, EP play top line min and will carry the puck more, so naturally he would have more points ... doesn't hurt to have depth.... JT is more vocal, and the team needs that , EP play 2 way more when JT is back, just people don't see that , EP pently kill is a lot better than before ...
Van will never win with Petey as the guy... he's a soft millenial and I can understand how that would irk someone with a warrior mentality like JT... if there is a trade to get him out o f he locker room that makes sense you do it.
If either players get traded out, I could see them becoming cup champions on their new team. If the friction between them is as real as it is speculated then trading them away either won't benefit their trade value.
Petey can’t play with JT. I would support JT every day. I also agree that Petey is a cancer on this team. I don’t care how good people think he is. He is a head case that needs to go elsewhere. We can do without him. After all we have already done without him for almost the last year.
pettersson is coming off like an entitled millionaire prima dona. not very professional and not a good look. i don't see him bleeding for this team ever again.
@@freefalling6960 Can you tell us why Miller gets benched when he produces while Pete gets a free pass for 40 games of sucking? Oh,yeah. Allvin signed him to a ridonculous contract.
Whether or not EP and JT don't like each other, I think it's been pretty apparent that EP isn't worth the amount of money he's making. In my opinion he's not able to create offence like other elite players, because he's not fast enough, strong enough, or tenacious enough to overcome defence that plays him hard. It happened in the playoffs last year and in the regular season leading up to the playoffs. A good defensive player that makes his life uncomfortable in the game seems to be enough to nullify him. That has been my opinion for a long time, but I feel like at the current price it's even more pronounced.
He’s playing with dog water line mates, he was popping off when JT was out because he had Hughes and plays ran through him. When JT is in the line up he’s tocc’s little pet so he gets all the ice time with Hughes and it leaves pettey to carry 4 scrubs being the only one of the ice that’s a threat, if we had a better D core it wouldn’t be an issue. But this team is trasssssssh without Hughes on the ice.
@@JohnRedCorn79 I would agree last year, but DeBrusk has been a big improvement, and when Connar Garland is on that line he (Garland) looks like the best player out there. The intensity and grit the Garland brings to the line creates space and time for Petey, not to mention DeBrusk is a pretty real threat as well. EP does get ice time with Hughes, but they spend a lot of time in their own zone.
I agree that everything relies on Hughes, but I think Garland and JT both have the ability to make things happen. Garland not at the level of JT, and JT not at the level of Hughes. But imo Petey doesn't have the ability to make something happen in the way the other players do. He's an amazing finisher and has an incredible shot and can do some amazing things with the puck. But doesn't show the drive or doesn't have the skills (not sure which) to put his line mates on his back. It's crazy how Garland can do that.
i say that it is because Petey is young. people said that about the Sedins too. and they grew into their roles and their game, earning a way into the hall of fame - and the record time on the grind. Petey will have to be judged on his entire arc of his career, like the Sedins have been. It's a swede thing. Naslund was the same as well. He wasn't great until he eventually was.
@@maxrae43 And still there is no cup in Vancouver despite the Sedinery and Nazzy being great. Don't get me wrong, all three were amazing players but they couldn't get it done when it mattered most. Can't win with Petey in the playoffs either. Too soft. When time and space are cut down and the grit is increased, he is an average player.
@@buzz6775 💯. I was going to respond with this as well. Naslund never made it past the second round and the Sedins only did it once. They were amazing players, but the results were never there in the playoffs. That's actually what worries me about Petey that he might fall into this type of story as well.
Why was Allvin in such a rush to sign EP40? He was a RFA, it’s not like he could’ve left in free agency. If Allvin had waited until after the playoffs, he would’ve known that EP40 is not an 11.6 million dollar player.
I would have waited to see his playoff performance last year before giving him that deal. The playoff performance last year was absolutely bad and not worth 11.5 million
@@Nickh4929 Or send him to the Leafs for Marner at least if he doesn't show up in the playoffs we have him for the season!
Yup. He was forced into it by the 650 guys
One of the worst signings in nhl history. That one signing has made me not want to follow the team.
He was a center who put up 103 points and 89 points the season after. Thats 11.6 million easily
If Petterson would voluntarily reduce his 11mil down to 5, he’d earn the respect back with his teammates, will take some of the pressure off to produce, it’s a win for everyone
Is that possible?
yeah I'm sure you would give up 6 million a year lol
@ I’d be happy if he just gave up 3.6 so he’s making the same as Miller.
EP is a point per game player with 7 NHL seasons at the age of 26
And every one is talking if he would be a bust
If Miller ever learns how to play a 200 foot game he will be a better player. Petterson is good defensively at least when he isn't putting up numbers offensively. Ive seen Miller gives up on too many plays for me to say he is a better player than Petterson.
Unfortunately EP has failed to show why he is worth his contact... He needs to go
Yeah and at this point..... no teams taking on that full contract. So you're going to retain his salary if you're going to trade him
because Petterson should be making around 7.5
Who doesn't fit the system is the way to look at it. I watch players talking to Miller, Pete not so much. He looks like an island to himself on the bench. Contract handicaps our D and future.
If the rumors are true then these guys are acting like teenage girls lol.
So True😅😅😅😅😅
Miller isn’t a saint. Don’t forget him quitting on a play under Boudreau a couple of years ago as well as losing it on a goalie not going to the bench when HE wanted. Yes Petey needs to step up and Miller needs to get over himself.
Agreed.
The were rumors that Miller can get unhinged at the drop of a hat. And he didn't exactly call Petey a "baby" as they reported. It was a "b" word though.
Soon as miller comes back Petey disappears. When miller left all of a sudden petey was lighting it up. It’s very obvious jt miller left because he got benched and petey got nothing. It’s so obvious. Media acting jt is burnt out lmao
Baby what?!?! Im calling the cops.
haha I had to do a double take on that
The only issue i have with this rhetoric is that they were standing right next to eachother at practice, if they hate eachother they would have been as far apart as possible
Not true at all buddy. I played hockey, I had team mates I hated....but for the sake of the team and the impact of games I put it aside and didn't have any drama. They can not like each other and stand next to each other. They're grown men.....not children.
Not everyone on a team likes each other lol. It's already been reported by trusted people that they don't see "eye to eye" which means they aren't fond of each other.
At this point if one of them gets traded.....it's probably JT Miller.
He's older....but his contract would be easier to move. I don't think anyone would be willing to take on Petersons FULL contract at this point. He hasn't shown he's worth 11.5. Vancouver would have to retain his cap hit....I don't think they'd be willing to do that. So Miller would be the one moved IMO
#40 has shown he's got the problem, and he does not get benched
Jt Miller is a hard-working player who can get points
But the coach will bench JT Miller..Crazy
It says more about Jt than Petey. Did you even see how JT was playing prior to benching? Him asking for the break is a confirmation of somethings wrong he’s dealing with at that time.
Pretty sure Pettersson was team Horvat back in the Miller/Horvat thing. How about local boy Barzal and Dobson for Pettersson, Hoglander and Willander?
Can we just actually have nice things??? Ever?!
Apparently not yet. lol
I was saying this when JT first walked off the team i was told im an idiot , i dont know what i am talking about , how would u know if your not in the locker room, its plan as day they dont get along and the team is divided its not going to get any better any time soon!!
Players just don't walk off of teams. They are under contract. \
I agree that it won't get better because this has been going on for a long time.
The Petey contract is a disaster. I said that from the beginning, and all the Pettersson fanboys had a shitfit.
Miller is a problem in the room. The Lightning knew that and got rid of him.
I know of a successful football coach who had a player come to him about how he thought his teammates thought of/treated him.
The coach told him that there was always going to be 1/3 of the guys who liked him, 1/3 who couldn't stand him, and 1/3 who couldn't care less either way.
Now a football locker room is much bigger than a hockey locker room, but I believe the principle or ratio would be similar. It's human nature.
I am sick and tired of both of them now actually.
Trade them both out of here while you still can or tell them to get a real job in the real world.
They are all babies.
Darn , does that mean we will never see the Lotto Line again in the 3rd period to try evening out the score!
Once the Canucks move Pettersson, everything will fall into place. This guy has disrupted this group for far too long.
He's really good but doesn't fit the team at all. It's time to move on from him so we have a chance at contending.
@@FatCatw I say trade him so he can have his own team and not have to share it with Milsy. Trade him for Brady and Pinto straight up.
Petey for Brady T straight up.
Trade 40 before it’s too late. Get ten 1st round draft picks like the 650 guys says he’s worth.
@@battistimo so funny to listen to Drance go on about the greatness of #40, get him out before its too late.
My choice would be to flog EP. He strikes me as the kind of player that would be sulking if he wasn't the centre of attention. JT is getting too popular for his liking. JT has much more heart, where as EP at times seems disinterested in performing. Could be a good time to try and get Bedard out of Chicago. It seems he, and the team may be willing to part ways.
I agree. Ship out petey, Get the hometown boy. Win the damn stanley cup.
That could really work for the Canucks, a real good player on his entre level deal. That would make room for more short term high quality players. I think things need a shake up. Paying $11.6 a season is good motivator the way i see it. It's too bad the way it looks right now, irrecognizable differences.
No, Brady T. Pure playoff dude who knows how to play in the crunch. And he is hungry after watching his brother sip from the Cup.
Miller gets benched petey gets sheltered. That says alot about dynamics.
I wonder if Miller called him the 11.6 guy and got benched
You all love to hate Petey. That is what it says
@@staffan144 nah, i love petey and happy we have him. Im just saying petey is sheltered. Miller gets the wrath. We've seen it enough to know thats the approach to each player. Toch preaches accountability but other than a few 15min total ice time games petey hasnt really had to be held accountable.
@@gmod8033 thats incorrect
Watch the body language when Petey scores, there's not much happiness from the others and he looks disappointed maybe because of this. Miller barely fist bumps him after the group hug.
I also read a comment somewhere that is now deleted, basically saying Miller had some kind of outburst with Petey in the locker room right before his 10 game sabbatical. It's been speculated he likes to get in Peteys face in the heat of the moment
Idk what people talk about the lotto line was arguably the best line in hockey at one point, these guys can work together they have in the past, get yourself a 2c and put those guys together and they will work it out on a line together
jt miller or ellias petterson 1 of them hs to go!
What's the discussion? Trade Petey...
Make a video about Trading Petty for the Sens for Brady Tkachuk we need more strong rough guys who will get along with Miller not SIMP video game players we need tough hockey players.
Wouldn’t that be wonderful. We should’ve had the first Tkachuk
Oh god no, please, no. Brady is a complete clown.
Only player I'd think would trade Petey for. That's a reasonable trade obv.
@@jasonjansen9831 Wouldn't be under Coach T.
Brady is an idiot
this is stupid, top line min is only available to one line , so whoever get 2nd line min is going to diminish in production ... they are both in PP unit ... JT carry the puck better so he tend to get more puck control over EP ... then we have hughes , so naturally one of the 3 is going to play away from the puck .. and have brock who is more filling to crash the net, it would be normal to take G away from EP... when JT is gone, EP play top line min and will carry the puck more, so naturally he would have more points ... doesn't hurt to have depth.... JT is more vocal, and the team needs that , EP play 2 way more when JT is back, just people don't see that , EP pently kill is a lot better than before ...
Make a video talking about the ottawa senators playoffs?? And about how they are playing right now 7-2-1 in last 10 games
who???
@@CashMacGregor wydm who the senators ofc
Nobody cares😢
The coaching staff wants Petey to be Bergeron and when he is the fans are mad at him for not being McDavid
How did they get along last year?
My take... it's Twitter. Take it with a pinch of salt.
Ep and mills both played BAD last night😮 so does this mean when there together they can play crappy 2. Peyton Place continues....................😊
As good as miller is. He needs to pull up his socks and get with the program. Pederson is not the Baby here.
Might as well hit the rebuild button.
Lego if you did trade one or the other, who would you rather trade away? What kind of return would you want?
8:26 😮😮
I dunno… seems like a whole lot of hullabaloo over not much.
Van will never win with Petey as the guy... he's a soft millenial and I can understand how that would irk someone with a warrior mentality like JT... if there is a trade to get him out o f he locker room that makes sense you do it.
If either players get traded out, I could see them becoming cup champions on their new team. If the friction between them is as real as it is speculated then trading them away either won't benefit their trade value.
Lotto line. Put it together. Done. .
I heard JT called out Petey and said "Stop playing like a little fruit!"
Messier can play with gretzky... Mario with Jagr... Bobby Orr with Esposito... but Miller can't play with Pettersson???... PATHETIC.
They play on different lines. WTF are you talking about? Pete can suck it up and play to his contract......maybe.
Petey can’t play with JT. I would support JT every day. I also agree that Petey is a cancer on this team. I don’t care how good people think he is. He is a head case that needs to go elsewhere. We can do without him. After all we have already done without him for almost the last year.
Watch Ted lasso lol😂
Just move Petey already! He’s a baby!
Quit coddling the no show. trade him for a guy who can fight.
Brady Tkachuk!
Tom Wison. Hes putting up numbers as well.
Crosby
Coddling is a good word to describe how all pro athletes in NA are treated now.
I agree 💯
pettersson is coming off like an entitled millionaire prima dona. not very professional and not a good look. i don't see him bleeding for this team ever again.
loui erikson 2.0
Is pettersson the guy that got benched and was ssent away for a month?
@@freefalling6960 Can you tell us why Miller gets benched when he produces while Pete gets a free pass for 40 games of sucking? Oh,yeah. Allvin signed him to a ridonculous contract.
It is interesting to read the comments here. How easily you guys emotions are stirred up by the media.
Trade 40 his a drama queen
please trade Petterson, cant stand him
oilers 4 life kid
That's sad😮😮😮😮😮
Damn! If it’s really between EP40 and Miller, then that cry baby has to GO.