The Most Hated Ship in World of Warships Legends

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    🌊 Ahoy, Captains! Get ready to unleash the speed and firepower of the Shimakaze in World of Warships! 🌊
    In this exciting episode, we're taking command of one of the most feared destroyers on the high seas, the Shimakaze! ⚓ Join us as we explore the lightning-fast torpedoes, exceptional concealment, and deadly agility of this iconic Japanese warship.
    Armed with a formidable array of torpedoes and rapid-firing guns, the Shimakaze is a force to be reckoned with in any naval skirmish. 💥 With her unmatched speed and maneuverability, she can swiftly outmaneuver larger adversaries and strike with precision, turning the tide of battle in an instant.
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    Whether you're a seasoned destroyer captain looking to master the Shimakaze's stealthy playstyle or a newcomer eager to experience the thrill of high-speed naval combat, this video has something for everyone.
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  • @DerkaGames
    @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    Did I get it wrong? What is the MOST Hated ship in the game?

    • @zFeatherz
      @zFeatherz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      AL chapy if played by a Unicum 🤧

    • @camrsr5463
      @camrsr5463 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Either Black or Brandenburg

    • @Ruslan74-vt5fz
      @Ruslan74-vt5fz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Mainz, Colbert, Des Moines and any other island cowering HE spamming cruiser there is. What skill does one require by hiding behind islands?

    • @araarashinigami
      @araarashinigami 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      The Shimakaze isn't, not by a wide margin. The vocal minority hate CVs the most. Not one in particular, but all of them, because the haters couldn't even name each CV let alone tell you the differences between them.

    • @zeissbiogon3894
      @zeissbiogon3894 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Schröeder is for even dumber players!

  • @guohongli5727
    @guohongli5727 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ironically Shimakaze is one of the worst TX DDs in WoWS PC cause the game has been out a lot longer, everyone knows to anticipate torps and lot more radar DDs lmao.
    Weird to see our cousin having a completely different game

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is pretty interesting! Definition of power creep I suppose

  • @diskopartizan0850
    @diskopartizan0850 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I don't hate it because it is powerful, I hate it because the amount of players in it that are awful is shocking. Shimas sailing into radar range then sitting in smoke is so common.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      same lol

    • @diskopartizan0850
      @diskopartizan0850 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames just shima player things 🤣

    • @murdockdacoon2055
      @murdockdacoon2055 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is my complaint. Being a DD main. But low tier mainly.....because of excessive radar and sonar on Cruisers at higher tiers. I'm the low tier casual DD guy that likes to contest caps. I can't do that when I get an aggressive as fuck cruiser coming in balls out just to pop his radar last minute when I go dark to fucking nuke me like a cuck. I don't own any of those radar cruisers because I don't pay to win. I don't pay at all. SO HOW THE FUCK am I supposed to learn which cruisers have radar and which ones are safe to be around?? I only hop in this boat once in a while to try to grind out the premium supply bonus. Other than that, it goes unplayed.

    • @diskopartizan0850
      @diskopartizan0850 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @murdockdacoon2055 most radar cruisers are available in the tech trees so don't require payment. The lowest tier is Tier 5 Budyonny. I know you prefer playing DDs but playing the Budyonny would give you a good sense of the capabilities of radar cruisers.
      High tier Russian, US, and some British cruisers get radar. Pan-Asian and pan-Euro DDs can get it. Giuseppe Verdi and Missouri have radar too.
      If you put 'wows legends radar family' into Google and check the image results there should be a graphic that has the radar ranges and durations on. It might not be fully up to date but it should help.
      One last note, I get preferring one class of ships over others but playing all of them is a great way to improve your overall game. I hated BBs so ground out all of the tier 5s, it made me appreciate them and improved my play in other classes. Do what you want but just wanted to share my experience.
      Hope this is helpful.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@murdockdacoon2055 ask and ye shall recieve
      www.reddit.com/r/WoWs_Legends/s/uYifXqfalF

  • @iamsuzerain3987
    @iamsuzerain3987 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    I really enjoyed watching Tbull and it's obvious from what we see on the seas that instructional content is still needed (if players can be bothered to watch it). Don't get me wrong I like your style as well and I watch a wide range of Legends contributors. I've been playing since launch but in a game like this there's always something new to learn, some new angle. GG Derka👍

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      For sure, We all miss Tbull. RIP king

    • @Tbone272
      @Tbone272 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think the problem is that only a small portion of people who play wowsl want to get better. This is a game that is very casual for most players. I don't think the progression systems or monetization schemes do much to hook new players to play as anything other than casual

    • @moonytheloony6516
      @moonytheloony6516 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Actually, I beg to differ.
      Instructional content isn't needed.
      Why?
      There's already enough out there from the likes of Tbull, A A Ron, Xarkun, Metajerk, and others to create an entire university.
      Secondly....this game is very, very repetitive. It lacks depth which can create boredom and boredom breeds casual play and casual play breeds lack of commitment.
      What Tbull realized, as his frustrations became more evident in his final year to year and a half, is that ya can't make enough people care to change the perception or daily experience.
      The game, as you know, is 5 years old now. I've been playing this for almost 4 of those 5 years. The complaints that I heard from Tbull and others in 2021, were repeated in '22, '23, and '24....and they will be repeated yet again in 2025 and 2026.
      Every content creator that's focused primarily on WoW:Legends has been instructing and we see the same results every year. The game is a niche kind of game thats dominated by a casual player base that likely has a fair amount of turnover.
      After almost 4 years, I've found it best for myself to just play and just like Metajerk, chuckle or laugh at what I see happening, and know/accept what I can control out there in the water...which is why I still play though not quite as often. The evidence has demonstrated that it is not going to change because of this issue along with Wargaming's questionable attention to quality and monetization in which the latter has caused much cynicism not just in this game but in internet gaming as a whole.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@moonytheloony6516 that's all we can do, chuckle and laugh....and maybe hold myself a cry a little too 🤣 today the Jager that spawned with me was having a rough go. 1st he was AFK for a minute as I sped past him in my Kansas on Warriors path. Then i watched on the mini map as he in correctly judged sailing around the island at spawn and got stuck 😆 Then he reversed for a minute or so back to the spawn. By this time our Baltimore on my flank was dead and the reds had a fun time at my expense 😅 it is what it is

  • @romallama44
    @romallama44 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Speaking facts with TBull. Having a guy pumping out up-to-date videos with beginner play-by-play was a godsend. I started last year during the Pommern campaign and would legitimately sail in a battle line or sail circles around my CV for my first 500 matches 😭😭

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He is missed no doubt =(

  • @StoniTheOni
    @StoniTheOni 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I actually feel like you do something way more important that a lot of other WoWS tubers don't, and that's explaining your gameplay. People can show me where to shoot for dev strikes all day or give me the "best in slot" builds all they want but if i can't understand the process or the why, it's all for nothing. Knowing not just what youre doing hut WHY you're doing is so important in games like this

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😄

  • @Findus_
    @Findus_ 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I miss Tbull. He did help me a lot with his content. As you do, just a different approach. Appreciate you both very much.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We all miss him!

    • @iamsuzerain3987
      @iamsuzerain3987 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I miss him as well Captain

    • @christofferahnstedt3847
      @christofferahnstedt3847 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Tbull was great for helping newer players (and some not so new) understand the game.
      There’s really no one (that I know of) to fill his shoes now that he’s gone. And we’re probably worse off for it.

  • @7thsealord888
    @7thsealord888 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    *shrug* I don't play her often, but I've no issue with the Shima and, while I do have my moments, I don't consider myself moronic either. She's simply convenient for some people to hate, being easy to acquire AND being the top-tier for Japanese DDs which, as you may have noticed, are mainly all about stealth and torps anyhow.
    Btw, my Shima is equipped in the usual ways except for Enhanced AA. I just seem to have extremely good luck with her when trawling for aircraft shootdowns. Go figure. :)

  • @vulcan-900bobber7
    @vulcan-900bobber7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I've returned after a sabbatical as I told you I had a very bad wifi out in the rural area but I'm now on satellite and is making a huge difference 😊😊
    Any how pleased that you gave T Bull a mention cause his teacher like tutoring was excellent but Derka I think that you fill that spot 😊

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Paying homage to the great one

  • @Ken5hinYT
    @Ken5hinYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    Almost everyone who plays DDs play it to farm BBs. They don’t spot, they don’t contest caps. They don’t fire guns at enemy DDs. A good player however do all those things above and that what makes them hated, not a poorly play one.

    • @outrider425
      @outrider425 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      some of them take that no guns part very seriously I could probably make a 10 min video of DD just sitting there getting obliterated by another low life gun boat refusing to use their guns no matter how vulnerable their enemy was it’s as if those guys don’t even know that their ship has guns or how to use them

    • @swector_unit4257
      @swector_unit4257 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@outrider425 i guess im different because of the time and the place where i have to shoot because if i do the i could get lit up by a Crusier or worse a German battle cruiser but yeah i go spot and take caps help out my team with spoting the enemy team and sometimes falling back when it comes being the only side with my whole team going to the opposite side.

    • @ussliberty109
      @ussliberty109 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Inside every spiteful DD player is a hurt CA/CL player.

    • @DS-wl5pk
      @DS-wl5pk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      BBS can’t contest caps when a DD exists and is spotting them
      With perks that literally make incoming fire less accurate, to compound the inaccurate guns of bbs, you THINK people aren’t shooting at DDs but they’re just missing all the time and being shot while looking for the DD and getting farmed by the team while trying to fight literal ghosts in smoke, is actually what farms BBS in those instances.
      Idk what you’re on about like it’s a fking battleships job to hunt DDs down
      And how the fuck is a bb even supposed to spot a fuckin dd anyways

    • @Ken5hinYT
      @Ken5hinYT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DS-wl5pk um what? Did you read at all what I wrote? Or are you drunk?

  • @pjdonovan914
    @pjdonovan914 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    While your content may not be the best for beginners, I do think you are by far the best creator for analyzing ship and commander builds. I don’t make my mind up on how I’ll build a new campaign ship until I see the Derka review.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thats very kind of you! ❤

  • @sundancegaming6040
    @sundancegaming6040 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That’s why Yuro made that Colonize on Sight and Colonize2 videos and did well, everyone expects the smoke Minotaur

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I may have missed those ones

    • @sundancegaming6040
      @sundancegaming6040 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DerkaGames they are relatively old and they aren’t guides, they are just music shitposts

  • @scottdakadescot4127
    @scottdakadescot4127 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm definitely praising the researchable US Tier IV-X DDs, Tier V-X CLs, Tier V-X CAs, Tier VI & VII BBs, Tier VIII BB Kansas, Tier IX BBs Iowa and Minnesota, and Tier X CV Midway. As well as the premium Tier V CL USS Marblehead, Tier IX BBs Missouri, Wisconsin, Georgia, and Tier VIII CVs Yorktown and Hornet. All of these ships are perfect because either I've played WWs as them or with any of my teammate (s) as them. I despise yet also praise the researchable US Tier VI & VII BBs because despite their annoying top speed and maneuverability, they're actually really fun to play as.

  • @Momi_V
    @Momi_V 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As a PC Version Player this is a rather interesting perspective and it's kind of weird to see Shima as a target of discontent...
    I think it's been a while since I last heard someone seriously complain about her.
    Sure it can be a bit annoying as a BB and occasionally you get a Lemon hunting for BBs on A Line, but compared to HE Spam, CVs and Submarines the PC Version Perception of Shima is about as neutral as can be

  • @guns12396
    @guns12396 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As a PC Warships players its crazy to see people complan about shimkaze of all DD.

  • @177SCmaro
    @177SCmaro 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shima probably is now just on reputation alone but I would argue pre nerf Ark Royale was more broken (and that was long before the CV rework that made all cv's broken to some extent to the point wg had to reel them back in slightly).

  • @NotTheBomb
    @NotTheBomb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    DD’s are the strongest unit in the game. It can counter every other class. Exception being Carriers… but they can even kill those… so they’re even.

  • @Selatomyr
    @Selatomyr 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It’s good to learn more on the perspectives on how to play DDs. I tend to be reliant on DD torps as with many gunboat situations, I tend to get overwhelmed during dogfights.
    I happen to champion the use of LEONE, very fun ship, though I enjoy her mine-like torps over the gun set-up (which is good BTW)… wish she’d get a buff allowing a THIRD torp salvo.
    With gunboats, I haven’t found my niche just yet, however CHARLIE HUGHES impressed me quite a bit ❤ as a gunboat.

  • @mikalcobbs9402
    @mikalcobbs9402 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not sure about legends, but PC wows shima is good because it’s low detection. The guns while low fire rate have high alpha and set fires constantly

  • @Capt_Cannabiz
    @Capt_Cannabiz 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I know my Wiemar gets alot of hate you can feel the whole enemy team target you when you get spotted. I love it

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It definitely has a reputation in Legends 😄

  • @DCS_Eternal
    @DCS_Eternal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I have that space camo for shima and yet. I still dont like how easy is to play even with the nerfs, I'm not a dd main myself and i did big damages with it, prove that doesn't require much skills.
    I did 287k with the rental shima long ago. And it is a understandable statement to not play this thing. Id rather play radar meme-o-taur for spiciness over this👌🏼

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Radar Mino you say...A man of culture i see

    • @DCS_Eternal
      @DCS_Eternal 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DerkaGames 🗿 yes.

  • @walleyewinder23
    @walleyewinder23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Shimakaze is a ship that requires focus. You've gotta spot. You've gotta zone your torpedoes. You've gotta deny areas. Don't get spotted. Seems easy on paper, but it actually isn't as easy as you might think. (This is why some players suck)

    • @trevorconnatser6161
      @trevorconnatser6161 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      But it’s still one of the most simple ships I. The game to have big games in

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      One of my close friends (Tr Capper) that I went to high school with is a very very very casual player. Like a game or 2 every few months, usually while holding one of his kids and putting them to sleep type thing. He holds the BXP record for Shima on Wowsbuilds.com with 5250 BXP 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He just logged in to play a game one day and that happened. I think it sums the difficulty of playing Shima up perfectly.

    • @walleyewinder23
      @walleyewinder23 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @DerkaGames holy.
      Imagine that base xp, but with the x5 this week..
      But Shima is a good boat (imo). I respect your opinion on the torp boats and Shima, and in fact, agree with you to an extent. They are not everyone's most liked ships.

    • @mattsmith5421
      @mattsmith5421 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@DerkaGamesNot really, how many surveys take a sample size of 1 to form an outcome lol. Could easily say the Shimas you see with 200xp prove how difficult is to play lol

  • @dimplypaprika7693
    @dimplypaprika7693 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    First rule of playing DD -- don't die in the first 5 minutes of the game!!! Second rule -- SPOT for your team (play selflessly)! Third rule -- cap bases (but again, don't lose your ship trying to cap a base if the situation is not good). Fourth rule -- hunt other DD's (but don't die in an engagement, try to stay near some support ships)! Fifth rule -- spam BB's with torpedoes (but don't chase them to the edges of the map unless they are the only remaining ships)!

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😁

  • @Kidtoucher-wg9gg
    @Kidtoucher-wg9gg 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It’s weird to see how broken Shima is on Legends compared to the mediocre ship that we have on WoWs

  • @cybergazza2140
    @cybergazza2140 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hear what youre saying on the 'instructional' content and i agree. A A Ron does it too. I get why, but ive played as many if not more battles then most CC's and also back in PC days.
    Theres definitely a need for it. Maybe have dedicated imstructional video's for it though.
    I really enjoy your stuff, your 'nerdy' info for new ships is awesome. Plus youre pretty chill and downright enjoyable to listen to.
    Keep up the great work and thanks!!

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, thats very kind 😀

  • @cxrive
    @cxrive 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wiping a Shima off the board had to be the most satisfying thing ever 😌

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tasty for sure

  • @germanodiciero3752
    @germanodiciero3752 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Teamates hate Shima (they tend to go for damage only) and the red tem hate her as well (no skill torps everywhere). The only ones that love Shimas are the skilled gunboats and the carrier mains.

    • @Wilsontripplets
      @Wilsontripplets 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      German battlecrusier sonar mains love seeing any destroyer in range of their secondaries.

  • @Anonihmus2567
    @Anonihmus2567 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Shimakaze the Yamato of destroyers

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      lol

    • @Anonihmus2567
      @Anonihmus2567 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames I'm still a bit salty that they never went back and tech tree gated Yamato it's overmatch is to powerful to give the average potato chip that ends up in legendary tier

  • @ThaOlBoy
    @ThaOlBoy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I quit back in 2022 for good. I mained DD and it was absolutely INFURIATING at the start of every match the BB's immediately reverse to the back of the map and the cruisers go hide behind a rock.
    Here I am trying to spot, defend myself against other DD's , cap points and hold the line. It seemed like every FUCKING GAME was me vs the entire enemy team.
    I have countless videos of me pretty much soloing the entire enemy team while my teammates are either going out their way to die doing dumb shit or all my idiot teammates are getting torped to death by the enemy DD's in the back of the map.
    Good video bro but so glad I quit.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If its causing that much frustration, then for sure you made the right choice! Thank you for the comment. =)

  • @nick335online
    @nick335online 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't really have favoritism towards one ship or another, I just like ships that have a unique play style like the Yamato being THE sniper ship.

  • @HammerJammer81
    @HammerJammer81 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The only mouth breathers in the game are those who sail in straight lines and allow torps to hit.

  • @WEEPFORBALDUR
    @WEEPFORBALDUR 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think a lot of the problem is that people come across a ship they cant handle and either dont have the capability to adapt/ re-think their strategy or just don't want to so instantly shout, 'NERF IT'. What they dont realise is that nerfing has a trickle down affect; if you nerf one, you have to go down the line in some way to keep the balance. Every ship has a weakness that can be exploited if you are willing and able to do so. It's just a sign of the times that prople want what they should for work for without working for it.
    Except aircraft carriers, in my opinion they are for people with a lack of situational awareness and cognitive ability to play a true warship; harsh opinion.... maybe. But my opinion none the less 🤘

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Harsh!!! Haha

  • @paramounttechnicalconsulti5219
    @paramounttechnicalconsulti5219 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad I'm not alone! I would love to see a game set up with 7 Shimikazes against anything. Damn things don't have to move. Just line them up across the board and pump out continous vollies of 24 torpedos with near infinite range and speed that never miss. Arghh!

  • @robertrichards4930
    @robertrichards4930 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shima is my favorite.

  • @seizokobayashi7309
    @seizokobayashi7309 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I dont hate Shima,
    but i what i hate is
    Hyuuga
    Jean Bart
    Plymouth
    and Republique

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would agree. Also, I hate playing the same dudes that are still spamming SOMMERS CE, Mainz CE, and Wichita CE. Like why. How is that fun

    • @seizokobayashi7309
      @seizokobayashi7309 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames yea wallet warrior will always do it lol bcz they uhh dont have skill to play others ship

    • @WhoDaresWinso7
      @WhoDaresWinso7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I got hyuga from ultimate crates along with Duca D'Aosta B I'm spamming those babies till the cows come home.

  • @Fumo_Crusader
    @Fumo_Crusader หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's why i love shima i just LOVE making enemies salty

  • @madjack7777
    @madjack7777 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No skill in a Shima says the BB driver that is sailing like there is no Shima.

    • @kizarh9657
      @kizarh9657 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂lol..The worst Shimakaze review I've ever seen. Shima is a legend. A true legend. And you have bad players in all categories. It's about the player, not the ship.

  • @dinohunter8676
    @dinohunter8676 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    I would rather skill based matchmaking than have bad teamates

    • @DuttySosig
      @DuttySosig 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Even with SBMM you will still get spastic teammates… it doesn’t work.

    • @araarashinigami
      @araarashinigami 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      The #1 reason why it'll never happen is because this game has way too low of a population as is. At either extremes of ELO, lobbies would take forever to fill up, and as a F2P game, the longer it takes means the more likely someone is to quit. Wargaming wants people in and out of matches as quickly as possible.

    • @agux0
      @agux0 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      You are contradicting yourself, if you’ve experienced “Cod” as an example and its SBMM it’s terrible….that being said right now it feels no difference with matchmaking it never feels truly random

    • @cat-tj1xk
      @cat-tj1xk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      you want to ruin the game

    • @tobiathon80
      @tobiathon80 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They could tag it on the end of ranked rather than close the season once you reach rank one.

  • @Bruh-bs6do
    @Bruh-bs6do 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you run the new IJN CL commander you could run the short range torps, decrease the detectability, and still have 9.something torp range. Just saying lol.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting

  • @ObeCorbian
    @ObeCorbian หลายเดือนก่อน

    You got it wrong. I hear everyone talking about California being the most hated ship. On console, it is a tier 5 with the stats of a tier 6.

  • @JamesBond-zd5jx
    @JamesBond-zd5jx หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If I play a gunboat I spot, kill DDs, and take caps. If I play a torpedo boat, I spot, try to take caps, and spam torpedoes for area denial. You can guess which is more satisfying.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  หลายเดือนก่อน

      1000% agree

    • @thatonechillguy2427
      @thatonechillguy2427 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can also spam HE at enemy ships, some gunboat DDs can shoot behind islands forcing the island camping ships out of their spots or even open water harassment just gotta pay attention where turrets are facing and how many ships can target you and some other DDs you can just overpower them easily so you just pick a fight with them up close and personal.

  • @pop58seadog
    @pop58seadog 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “And their team from C is going to head to the mid.” Thats the smart thing to do, but I’ve seen too many games where players remain in the cap even though there is no longer any threat. Not sure if it’s timidity or literal mindedness i.e. “defend the cap”.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mirror exactly what I did in this game. Spot 1st, contest caps, set up torpedo cross fires with your team

  • @Wonega
    @Wonega 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If you are in a Shima and you get hate mail from red team, then you have done your job.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @xTouragx
    @xTouragx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good video as always sir...I rather enjoy DD's which have more tools for their intended role of scouting and cap contesting....currently working my way up the British DD line...tried the IJN line but got bored with the torp spam...keep doing you..the content is very fun and enjoyable...always appreciate the insight on ships and commanders...

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you!

  • @smh6926
    @smh6926 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Behold the essay that no one probably cares about, just my line of thought having played with many different kinds of people on both PC and Legends (mainly PC though)
    The thing about Shimakaze in both Legends and PC is that it's a ship that requires good timing and precise positioning. You can always say that it takes no skill but the ability to predict and lead targets for over 30 seconds is no joke even if those projectiles tend to hit like a nuke and are invisible until you get into a certain vicinity of them. The thing that makes these Shimakazes hated are the players who use them poorly and the bad players they go against. That maneuver Colombo made to push into a cap was a rookie mistake, you don't do that in a battleship when you don't have the adequate support to back it up, much less do it against a class of ship that obviously hard-counters battleships for a reason most of the time. Furthermore you don't take a battleship and sail close to another battleship, that's always a death sentence considering there's always a class that'll have their mouths watering for battleships. Another notable thing is that a radar cruiser should've always kept themselves close to an island unless their position was COMPLETELY compromised. Those are the expectations of the proper scenario vs what you see in both Legends and PC WoWs. Yet the kicker there is that if you play it properly, you give the community a completely different reason to hate the ship. That's cope. They can't perform as good as the individual who just beat them, which they can't accept and so they resort to publicly announcing their hate for it, and then it continues so on and so forth.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well I care, and honestly very well said 😀 I think you're 100% right. My true hate for this ship is not the giga chad, it's the players that have no clue what they're doing that are sailing around in it. Thanks to the way our bureau project is set up, complete noobs could be (and probably are) behind the wheel. As I say, Shimakaze is very likely the most unreliable DD you could ever have on your team. Cheers man

    • @smh6926
      @smh6926 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames Kinda outta nowhere here but if my PC WoWs Clan Leader saw these shima players he'd bawl his eyes out and then rampage until he kills them all with just torpedoes alone just to spite their inexperience lmao

  • @JW-ol4cp
    @JW-ol4cp 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At least you don't rant, rave, cuss, and yell at all your "bad" teammates. I like your style the best

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I do it under my breath 😄

  • @georgedonaldson352
    @georgedonaldson352 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I agree there really is no skill involved but like you say many DD players really don’t know how to play the game which makes it so frustrating

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very frustrating =/

  • @somebloke3869
    @somebloke3869 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's a lot of radar at legendary tier, and even more sonar. I found that most players are weary of torpedoes and it takes some level of ability to get hits. Spamming out all 15 torps just to get one hit is a slow way to accumulate damage.

  • @unsealednardo9965
    @unsealednardo9965 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I miss T Bull too. I hate shimas too. But a good one will spot and torp everyone.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😄

  • @wastelander89
    @wastelander89 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I played this ship actually 14 games lol i didnt realize i played it so little. I have many games in Khabarovsk and gearing mostly Khabarovsk. I agree with u . Shima jager and z44 . They never spot and or hide baxk line or get killed in 30 seconds.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      terrible DDs...Watch the next campaign be another DD 🙈

  • @blaymeister
    @blaymeister 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love this. I actually hate blue Shima players more. We have an inbuilt expectation that they're going to fail hard.
    A well played Shima is a scary thing.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ahh yes, the Blue Shima is the worst Shima

  • @jsl8082
    @jsl8082 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    DD is super super important but to be honest it is SO RARE to see CCs play them. I think there is not a single CC that is a DD main.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I can sum that one up for you (at least for me personally). I Don't have the luxury of spamming a single ship or ship class (being a main). If I want to make content that people want to watch, it's about variety. And with around 500 ships in the game that's lots of different ship playing.
      From a creation standpoint, if a CC were a DD main, and just made Destroyer videos, then only people who wanted to see destroyers would come to their channel. They would effectively be cutting their audience into fraction of what it could be.

    • @dimplypaprika7693
      @dimplypaprika7693 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      check out Blackpriest! He is pretty much exclusively DD and gives great tutorials on DD play!

  • @billdozer_6840
    @billdozer_6840 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m convinced that 60% of the player base doesn’t watch “how to” videos because everyone thinks that they’re playing the right way. I saw a player in a Montana yesterday spamming HE yesterday from behind an island yesterday. They’re always the ones in game chat yelling at people 😂😂

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha that's 100% true. The few times I've left game chat on, I could feel my IQ lowering

    • @billdozer_6840
      @billdozer_6840 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames sometimes I use it as a jukebox

  • @macock
    @macock 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    10:24 speaking of the minotaur radar, there's this really nasty build around it... If you have the Transformers colaboration commander Hot Rod, you can have a radar that last for, 4 more seconds !! And recharges about 160 seconds, which is 20 seconds faster, if you also use the legendary ability to have consumables faster around teammates, you can have one radar in less than a minute after using it, it's insane

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ive done that build, its s good one =)

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Our player base doesn't know what a rudder is lol

    • @notarealfirstnamenotareall746
      @notarealfirstnamenotareall746 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Try the stealth radar Minotaur. Rader range is longer than your spot range. You get spotted, crack that radar and watch the DD player actively poop themselves. It's a meme build to run with a DD player in your division that works a lot better than people would think.

  • @AirJoe
    @AirJoe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You should make a video about the Brisbane torps. 10 on each side with 13km range and tube by tube. Its wild.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think I have made a video about her when she released

  • @vandemonian5412
    @vandemonian5412 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    we all hate the "wall of skill" when its coming our way

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      For sure

  • @bradleycoleman2928
    @bradleycoleman2928 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually feel this way with al chapayev, with mainz ce coming in a close 2nd. These boats are like a mosquito that's in your house and you can only kill them after an enormous amount of effort. Jager is starting to climb this ladder quickly though. Damn these boats!

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah those ships suck. But at least they are rare 😄

  • @kleberjarf
    @kleberjarf 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Yes, it's very hateful, but once I saw those destroyers, I melted them with my kleber. The shimakaze doesn't really contribute to the team, it only torpedoes and once it runs out of torpedoes the destroyer is no longer useful, because killing other destroyers and more so in that tier is very bad, normally all the cruisers can also beat it. . . . . and against battleships, all destroyers KILL Battleships

  • @Sempergrumpy441
    @Sempergrumpy441 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's funny how when I first got to LT shimas were so intimidating but now you see them and think "well at least that DD will be gone quickly"

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol I mean yeah. I guess I'd like matches to be more competitive. 2 minute DDs are a big culprit in sweeps imo

    • @Sempergrumpy441
      @Sempergrumpy441 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames absolutely and sometimes they aren't even torp boats. I see three bar Fletchers and Gearings way too often.

  • @MikeGcdi
    @MikeGcdi 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Coming from someone who has played on pc since closed beta.
    The Shima is easily one of the easiest DDs for noobs to hopelessly fail with.
    If your getting caught out by a Shima then you Fkd up. Plain and simple

  • @Battlebug99
    @Battlebug99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I loved TBull’s content and he’s the only reason I know how to play the game to be honest, but what happened to him? Did he just stop making content?

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Big debacle over fleets. He had plans for people to pay to be in his fleet (fleets*** he was going to have several). Of which he would go and play with his fleets and all of those members. Wargaming said that was against the agreement we have as official Community Contributors. Tbull said that's bullshit. Neither side budged so Tbull left the CC program and the game. He made Startfield content for a bit than hung it up looks like

    • @7thsealord888
      @7thsealord888 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I loved his content too. For explanations, it's probably best just to Google 'Tbull' and look around. Anything I might say here could be misconstrued or taken as inflammatory.

    • @Battlebug99
      @Battlebug99 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DerkaGames Ahhhh I see, thanks for the clarification on that

  • @DemoDashImpact275
    @DemoDashImpact275 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You know what would fix Shima spam?
    Nakhimov

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I KNEW before I clicked what the answer was 😂 never change Demo never change

  • @DariusJones05
    @DariusJones05 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Since I play wows on pc it’s funny seeing this video, since shima has been severely power-crept

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Subs alone feel like a massive power creep for DDs

  • @grimreaperscreed5938
    @grimreaperscreed5938 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I killed half of the other team in this ship once..6 kills.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Noice

  • @GeorgeCawhern
    @GeorgeCawhern 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Ok I'm a nugget & I wanted a sub 2xx's against I truly suck even for a noob but I'm eh 73 yrs old just trying to stay fresh! wo dumping a boat load of my govt. teet.love ua vids..

  • @mikeD1234
    @mikeD1234 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I’m proud to say that I’ve had this ship from the beginning and still only have 30k xp on it.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I knew I liked you Mike

    • @Zapranoth-lf8nt
      @Zapranoth-lf8nt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know it’s not a contest, but I sold all the equipment off it and removed camo and the flag at about 16K…same with Yudachi…I should just sell that one

    • @mikeD1234
      @mikeD1234 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Zapranoth-lf8nt one upper…jk. Much respect.
      I don’t personally sell ships though. If there’s some kind of bonus attached I might take it for a spin in the future.

  • @elcucui2933
    @elcucui2933 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I play destroyers a lot, and that one is one of my least played.

  • @drphat
    @drphat 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I only have 7k xp on it lol very good video as well, AL chappy is a different story 💀also add nakhimov

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂

  • @cuttlefish6839
    @cuttlefish6839 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I usually just play screamer torp shimmi with sprint master

  • @amethystosaphrodisias
    @amethystosaphrodisias 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honestly in my opinion, I would find myself holding more hate for ships like the minotaur. Sure, the shima can be annoying, especially if there's say 3 or even 4 of them on an enemy team, but I'd rather deal with torpedo spammers over fire setting spammers. Because at least with torpedo's there's the option of maneuverability and radar to spot them early, whilst mino shots aren't very easily avoidable.

  • @JonnyBravo0311
    @JonnyBravo0311 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    BB steams ahead in a straight line at a constant speed then complains when hit by torps. Pretty much describes majority of LT gameplay. I understand that kind of thing at the lower tiers when you're learning how to play the game, but seriously, you REALLY should know better. Oh, and the irony of someone in a C. Colombo complaining about another ship was priceless.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂 I had the same thought. Colombo is, in its current state, the best Battleship in the entire game. I'd argue that all day

  • @risingwind8943
    @risingwind8943 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I saw a shima get 140k and 2 kills. In one torp salvo. This player skirted the map, contributed nothing for spotting or caps, and did roughly 225k. We lost by cap. I hate the shima and I hate shima players. It is a 0 skill ship and encourages terrible positioning. I quit WOWS after that match. Almost 2 years ago. I still like watching your vids, but DANG am I happy I no longer play this game.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha this is the most Shima thing I've every heard

  • @tristangarvey1103
    @tristangarvey1103 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Do you have a video how to set up a bb for good shots ?

  • @American-Made1776
    @American-Made1776 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why you no Shimmy Jimmy? Anyways gg great vid on this fine pile

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

  • @DEATHRAGE157
    @DEATHRAGE157 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love tormenting ijn dds with my cvs hehe

  • @Chrissy212
    @Chrissy212 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Let the mouth breathing commence 😅

  • @andrewcompton2524
    @andrewcompton2524 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    TBull was the goat I miss him

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😢

  • @JH-wd6dp
    @JH-wd6dp 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If Legendary Tier played as expected (only experienced players), the dislike of Shima would be less. However, since Legendary Tier often has inexperienced players, naturally there are issues both with inexperienced players using the ship and inexperienced players on the receiving end of the ship. As an experienced player, I have no issues with Shima, especially on the receiving end, because they usually will have to work to take me down. The same tactics I use against experienced DD players work against inexperienced ones. Until all red DD's are sunk, every blue BB player should assume they are the priority target and sail accordingly.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If only Shima were locked behind having to play Yugumo in the bureau. But alas...

  • @3_D-nz4nl5xh7w
    @3_D-nz4nl5xh7w 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can't agree more on the dd campaigns. Those are always the worst. That's usually when I play more dd, just to try and off set the crappy dd players. But I'm just a meathead with a controller so I usually join them at the bottom of the sea 🤣
    Gg🍻

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Smart! Get your radar Cruiser out

  • @midnghtshade2049
    @midnghtshade2049 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I got a Shimakaze build that actually requires skill to play.

  • @jwavy9985
    @jwavy9985 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You’re too right about shima. Typical brainless IJN DD and yet people do the dumbest stuff with her.

  • @richbaker8371
    @richbaker8371 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I guess there is always a new batch of Shima bureau players coming through, all ready and eager to start damage chasing... Thats probably the #1 reason why I dislike seeing them on my team, much like Yamatos and smoke Minotaurs you know what the players are going to do, and if you get more than one in the team then you're probably boned...

  • @outrider425
    @outrider425 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WG gave that thing the weakest nerf of all time just so they can say that they did nerf it 😂

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      unsure what else they would nerf and not make it useless

    • @Sempergrumpy441
      @Sempergrumpy441 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because shima players nerfed it by being themselves.

  • @nickasst9408
    @nickasst9408 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shima at the end of the day is just a one trick pony. If its left alone it will be annoying. But its really easy to remove them compared to other destroyers.

  • @brucemorton1176
    @brucemorton1176 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you played this ship on PC you would get slated for using the noobtubes. You can see them from the moon. Try playing with the 8km or the 4km torpedoes and show some skill.

  • @alphaastartes8630
    @alphaastartes8630 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AL Chapayev entered the chat

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lol at least it's hidden behind a pay wall

  • @Notthecobracommander
    @Notthecobracommander 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate the jäger the most. Black is my favourite high tier dd. Radar good guns and long range torpedoes.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Black is good!

  • @hivaoraflohr2993
    @hivaoraflohr2993 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Jager is a campaign ship

  • @kjellmesch8060
    @kjellmesch8060 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    No skill in a shima, true when you face no skill BB players and lets face it. Most of the time you do just that.

  • @sheyrd7778
    @sheyrd7778 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shimakaze is fine, I don't play mine often enough but when I do play it I am still surprised how many dumb BB or CC players that sail in a straight line. Players that do not adjust for hidden DD's make the Shima easy to play.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      tis true

  • @xEppy033x
    @xEppy033x 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm one of the noobs, but still enjoy the content 😂

  • @imicchoni
    @imicchoni 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was playing montana today got jumped by 2 shima’s while getting shot at by a colombo and my team8s ditched me running to edge of the map SMH legendary tear annoying sometimes

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sounds like me in Kansas a day ago =( left to die, no fun at all

  • @scottdakadescot4127
    @scottdakadescot4127 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would personally say the Tier III-VII researchable US battleships because they're extremely slow, bad maneuverability, horrendous concealment, and God-awful torpedo protection. The researchable US Tier VI & VII BBs don't actually have the God-awful torpedo protection, it's just that their garbage top speed of 21 kts and meh maneuverability makes them really difficult to dodge torpedos. But I do enjoy using them to ram clueless enemy cruisers, destroyers, and battleships, snipe unsuspecting enemy ships at almost point-blank range, and dishing out quite a lot of citadel hits on any enemy cruiser, battleship, and carrier that doesn't even notice me. Also, I give a positive review for the ability to equip depth bombers with the researchable Tier VI & VII US battleships. I'm personally a huge favorite of the researchable Tier IV, V, & VI Italian BBs because of their good speed, maneuverability, concealment, and rather accurate aa guns.

  • @damaddog8065
    @damaddog8065 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Shimakaze is not the most hated ship in world of warships. There are Carriers and Pig Boats that are hated more.

    • @EternalDawn
      @EternalDawn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Whusa pig boat?

  • @minzerleigh2691
    @minzerleigh2691 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    About to get the ship myself tomorrow

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      enjoy!

  • @genekrobel4707
    @genekrobel4707 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve found them easiest. But.. I play DD all day long

  • @jturner0901
    @jturner0901 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “The late great TBull” what happened to him? Where’d he go? I haven’t been big in wows in a long time

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He "retired" lol

  • @CallofDutyBlackOps2010
    @CallofDutyBlackOps2010 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’d say Hayate is on the same level of annoying. Can almost rival Shima on the level of torps, but has way better guns, and health so it can gunboat and torpboat.

    • @DerkaGames
      @DerkaGames  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mmm Hayate, that's one of my fave T8 DDs

    • @geographyRyan
      @geographyRyan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I barely see any Hayates in game, never seemed too popular, even when it was sold for 2 million free XP back in the day. Probably the rarest tier 10 DD in my experience.

  • @MedicNewfy
    @MedicNewfy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is not even close to the most hated dd in game, it’s just a torpedo spammer. Mostly bad players use it

  • @playtym2893
    @playtym2893 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sounds like others have a skill issue considering most things should have hydro at this tier?