@@Aaron-ix8zh What you stated isn’t unique to Melon Head chat though. Most of the chats that I’ve seen on twitch or TH-cam d ride the opinions of the people that they’re watching.
@@davestephens3246 everyone can share their personal opinion online, but not everyone can do it as well-worded, with so many diverse music genres covered, with his comedy style and clear delivery
I’d rather be forced to read the millions of corny ass comments where your fan base “jokingly” accuses you of heinous crimes on theneedledrop comment section, than read 1 twitch chat
100% the youtube comments section can get annoying sometimes but at least it can be funny. reading the twitch chat is about as fun as throwing a brick at my head
I think the first user's description of his Twitch chat as 'toxic' is poorly worded. The complaints I've seen and agree with are that the chat is unfunny, is biased towards Anthony's opinion even when he changes his mind and whenever they choose to comment on the song or artist at hand they practically spit out generic one-liners that barely pass as critiques or jokes. It's maybe even. uhm, a little cringe, bro?
Nah it's more than one-liners. Happens often that the chat straight up hates the artist and make the most meaningless comparisons in order for them to find some type of excuse to hate them.
As Fantano was saying twitch chat moves too fast for any form of discussion so all that gets out is short crap by people wanting attention or to jump on a bandwagon opinion
The issue isn't the slurs or sexism. It's like being surrounded by the seagulls from finding Nemo. They actively hate a song untill Anthony says he likes it or visa versa. it's especially evident with any artist that melon usually dislikes (Eminem, Hopsin, drake) every song so trash untill he says "I like it" and they trip over themselves to agree.
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@@jaden_bricker Try smaller channels, in my experience all twitch chats try to get the steamer's attention, but the really annoying desperate shit only comes out when there's so many people the streamer can't read everything.
As a guy who has slid into a few twitch chats before, it's literally just a constant contest of who can get said streamer to notice you. Like trying to be the cutest puppy amongst the annoying ass chihuahuas. It's hell. It's Twitch.
Twitch is a para-social hellhole. People think streamers are their friends and deserving of their attention, and adjust their behavior to reflect that.
@@Vexelpops1 yes but that many people shifting opinions at once, there is bound to be overlap between separate people who comment who already liked it and people who flip flop depending on what Anthony says it's inevitable and weird af
Mayb it's different people and they only share their opinion when they agree w Anthony so like it looks like they're making up their opinions but not rly
thanks for raising this issue melon. i love ur twitch streams, but when you singled me out and told the entirety of chat to call me an array of homophobic and racial slurs, i was a bit hurt
the TND Twitch chat is none of the most infuriating things i can possibly think of. whenever i watch stream highlights, i have to cover the right side of my screen with my hand lmao
His chat is horrible, but even so it is, unfortunately, not even close to being in the bottom half of twitch. I'd rather spend 12 hours reading melon's chat than 5 minutes of xQc, Hasan or, god forbid, Akademiks
I wouldn't even say it's necessarily Anthony's chat specifically that is horrendous, but every chat on a live stream with more than about 100 viewers is pure cancer. The overwhelming majority of comments are either spam, unrelated bullshit, everyone bandwagoning onto one comment and spamming that regardless of it's true or relevant, or horrible shit that slips past mods because chat's moving too fast. Anyone who would ever post a non-cancerous message quickly realizes what a pointless endeavor it is and so the chat is left to the worst percentage of the viewers.
@@SapientGalaxy it's mainly the bandwagonning and the instant changing of opinions when Fantano says something that is so infuriating for me. they can't even think for themselves
anthony: *listens to a song his twitch chat: BOO!!! this song is whack af🤮 anthony: i actually liked this track alot his twitch chat: wow this song is actually a grower🥰🥰
This topic is finally being acknowledged, we're witnessing melon history Edit nvm he dodged that shit lol, the issue with the chat isn't bigotry it's that they're cancerous annoying haters who freak out on any and every song until Fantano says he likes it.
No, it isn't. He attempts to subvert the argument as some sort of discussion of bigotry instead of the constant negativity and elitism found in his chat.
I'm genuinely confused as to what people wanted to hear, the cringey attempts at emulating the streamer, unfunny jokes, bandwagoning and etc, are all staples of just about any large chat.
The fact that everyone seems to unanimously agree that the Twitch chat is annoying makes me think that a lot of the “annoying chatters” are also, ironically, complaining that the chat is annoying.
Twitch chats are useless. As Anthony said it's too much. You can't have a productive dialogue when by the time you've written a response there's 200 messages above the thing you're responding to. It basically functions as a "lmao" or emote button
“it’s just a super opinionated music chat” and that is the exact problem 😭 I def don’t think it’s a reflection of anthony but that entire premise is just destined to bring a horrible environment
Hey Anthony no shitpost just wanted to say I think you’re a great guy that I look up to, especially for how logical, fair and articulate you are against discourse.
The actor/musician take is weird. They are generally artists first and it’s impressive to watch them try a different media. Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) for example was fantastic in Hitchiker’s Guide
Musical. Theatre. Musical theatre. There is a whole genre defined by singers who can act or actors who can sing. Effectively telling artists to stay in their lane Rob’s the world of amazing art.
the chat isn't necessarily toxic the way you'd traditionally think of, but they definitely will decide they don't like something and just absolutely slam it in the meanest way possible. and then they immediately change their opinion when fantano says it's good
If there's one thing I've learned it's that every single internet group is super toxic. Mostly because almost all internet communities are an average age of about 12 to 18.
Saying "there's only so many movies that can be made" and then turning around and saying "there's no limit to how many music projects can be made" is so asinine it's not even funny.
The hot take on musicians in film is so dumb, even decades ago. 20 years ago Whitney Huston covered "I Will Always Love You" only because she was in her film debut in The Bodyguard. Without that singer being in film the world wouldn't have had one of the best covers of all time. Actors and musicians are artists (even though acting is really a craft). They overlap and we've been given some of the best movies AND records of all time because of it. Not to mention, actors transitioning to music has resulted in horrible music more times than musicians transitioning to acting has resulted in bad movies. I hate to go with the worst example of it but.... Angelic 2 The Core should be enough solid ground to allow, at least, a thousand musicians to be able to dabble in acting. It's the only fair price.
When an artist releases singles, it’s only detrimental to the quality of the actual listen through of the album if the artist releases a lot of singles that are going onto one album. As much as I love the new abnormal by the strokes, I wish they didn’t release so many tracks as singles from that album
0:00 Intro 0:20 "Melon's Twitch Chat Is Toxic" 1:28 "Successful Musicians Shouldn't Get Into Acting" 3:38 "Melon would have been okay with MC Ride saying the stuff that Anthony Kiedis said on the newest Peps album" 4:34 'LukeOnDemand could beat Melon in Minecraft PVP" 4:39 On a scale of 1-10 how many Ska albums are there? 4:51 "Steven Tyler's screeches on Dream On and I Don't Wanna Miss A Fuckin Thing are annoying" 5:22 "Sex Pistols' Never Mind The Bollocks Is A Classic" 6:54 "Taylor Swift's Reputation is an 8/10 after learning the context of the record" 7:24 "It would be cool for a "Feel Good Inc." cover on the Danny Brown and JPEGMAFIA collab album" 7:50 What songs would Melon want Weird Al to cover if we could get one more parody album? 8:00 "80's is it's own distinct genre, whereas 60's, 70's, 90's, etc could mean many things." 8:42 "The more people on a Kendrick album cover, the better it is" 9:00 "There's no artists that make party music anymore" 9:40 "When artists release multiple singles it's a massive detriment to the album listening experience" 10:19 "If you've never been moved to tears by a song, you don't like music" 10:59 "Why don't you call us your Needle Drops anymore?" 11:43 Outro
The problem is that twitch chat actually isn't very opinionated at all. They will mindlessly hate on a track but immediately flip the second Anthony bops his head a little 💀
People are saying that the twitch chat is biased towards him but of course it is, that's where all those people will congregate. I simply do not observe the twitch chat and therefore it is in a quantum superposition of both being toxic and non toxic at the same time
Literally popped into one of his streams just to see him react to the new $B album because I just wanted to see his opinion on it (even if it was good or bad.) Before he even played the first song the chat was already spamming 2’s (not goods) or saying like “we don’t want to listen to this.” Like dawg he’s doing his job. You should be thankful he’s even live streaming it for y’all’s entertainment.
1:28 i wanna add to this point, coming from a perspective of complete utility, the number of high value high exposure jobs that non-famous people have gotten from working on movies that wouldn't exist if it weren't for a famous musician having made the franchise profitable (whether it be a movie made *for* a famous person, or a sequel being made exclusively because a famous person made the first movie successful enough to warrant a second, or the studio just having enough new cash influx to want to make another movie period) WAY outnumbers the number of roles "stolen" by famous musicians. adding celebrities to the cast will almost always result in significantly more people benefitting than the one "classical actor" who didn't get their role. also, a lot of them are.. good? like certainly not all, but musicians are performers, and often, they're good at and trained in both.
Really disappointed there weren't any first wave Ska albums at 4:47. I feel like at least ONE album by Toots And The Maytals, Desmond dekker or the Skatalites should have been included even for a joke. I do like that you included "Ska Dream" though.
No surprise that since Anthony has shifted his focus over the years to being a popular music culture commentator that he would start attracting young and obnoxious people. This fanbase has been cultivated over time by constantly giving time to memes, most of which are negative, and using Twitter of all things as your primary content platform
Melon doesn't do anything wrong with how he moderates his chat. He does take guidelines towards how far chat can go. A big thing pointed out in comments is how even though he leaves it up to chat to discuss music, the chat overlooks it and idolized Anthony. A good example of this for me is when Anthony watched nakeyjake's last music video and Anthony was feeling unsure, the chat is blowing up with shit talking Jake but the moment Anthony acknowledged the good parts the chat flips script. The issue is when someone from the start goes "I think this is good", the chat outside of Anthony's control dog piles that person but within a minute on Anthony's words flips to that person's side. It also doesn't help that Anthony when reading that comment about his chat used a whiney tone which is fixed. Anthony knows he's doing his best for moderation and wants discussion because music is subjective. The issue is that you should call out bad behavior more for the growth of conversation. Anthony doesn't want everyone agreeing, he wants discussion and it's clear since early videos. But Anthony needs to expand his moderation with warnings of "hey guys, this dog pile isn't okay because of what I said". This comment isn't a hit on Anthony it's agreeing with him about the control he has and acknowledging the things he has moderated. It's just pointing out the flaws every top comment has which is inclusiveness and growth of discussion which Anthony has always wanted.
I've never had a problem with inclusivity regarding Fantano's Twitch chat. It's the constant inability of them to stick with their own opinion. The polls during the stream easily reflect that too.
Bear with me; name your forum “the melon patch” that way you don’t have to worry about forcing a group identity onto the fan, instead, they can make a decision to participate in the melon patch, thereby feeling included in a larger group without sensationalizing/stanning ppl… cause u can’t ‘be’ a melon patch, but u can be a part of the melon patch
That selection of 8 Ska albums is hilariously and narrowly Yank-centric. THREE Reel Big Fish albums? No Jamaican artists? Surely a Trojan compliation is essential? Only one 2Tone album? Where's Madness, The Beat and Selecta?
"80s is its own distinct genre" Hell no. If I said I wanted to play some 80s music, and instead of synthpop, new wave, and early contemporary R&B/funk, I played new jack swing, house, techno, and golden age hip hop, you'd look at me funny.
fontano mate, its a cesspool of people hating on whatever track comes on. its nothing special about your chat that makes it like this, its just twitch chats in general
Beethoven realised and slammed down the sadness and pain fetishism in the 9th symphony and not enough people appreciate it for that. It's a 90min 10/10 album and I really hope you'll pick that up when you get to the 10s of the 1820s
I think context is important and can add a lot to a record in a number of cases, especially when dealing with conceptual/experimental pieces as they help further inform where the art is coming from, what it's doing, etc. I don't know if it'd mean a "change in rating" as such, but might help to better define a rating at the very least. For instance... Recently I gave John McCowen's 4 Chairs in 3 Dimensions a listen, it's a solo clarinet record somewhere in the style of Evan Parker and so on - and in reading the title to a track halfway through, called Birds of Jamaica, the title made the piece click as I realized the intent was to imitate a natural tropical soundscape through the clarinet. Details like these can at least help build a clearer picture of what one is listening to in instances as abstract as these.
On the topic of Ska albums, Streetlight Manifesto will actually be coming out with a new album either at the end of this year or the beginning of next year.
The musician/actor thing makes me think of Stevie Van Zandt in Sopranos, he's talked a few times about being extremely nervous starting the show and feeling like he would be looked down upon by the actors for being a "rockstar" and not a real actor.
Twitch chats in general tend to just be annoying, most VODs that include chat, tend to be filled with the same joke a billion times, unfunny copy-pastas, and spam if the streamer wants something chat immediately says the opposite, if something bothers them, chat immediately spams exactly that, whatever they ask chat, even when most people cooperate there's always enough users saying the opposite or lying to confuse the streamer, enough for the rest to just not matter anymore, it's no fun to participate in chat anymore because it's just a mess and the mods can barely do anything to help
The twitch community is easily one of the worst ones just because of no one EVER goes against the streamers opinion, it’s SO rare to see someone questioning anything the streamer says
1:52 the funniest part of this idea is that acting and music often go hand in hand. many actors have independent music with small audiences, from celebrity bands from the Viper room to Michael cera to Idris Elba running a record label and more. In the case of some musicians, acting is what helps build the persona of a character they play, like rick ross going from being a Correction Officer to a rapper that is known for street music. I think what's funny is some musicians have backgrounds in acting like Joey Badass, who depending on who you ask might be better known for his work on Mr. Robot than his music.
It’s not that chat is bigoted or something, it’s that 99% agree with everything Fantano says, regardless of reality, AND simultaneously blindly try to believe whatever opinion is most popular on Facebook and Twitter. Both of those happening at the same time just creates a group of people who are an absolute embarrassment.
At the risk of having a bad opinion online: I think "80s" is it's own genre, but I don't believe it was in the 80s. If you took across section of like 20 random hit songs, maybe looked at a good handful albums across the decade, you are going to find all kinds of genre and stylistic experiment. Are we gonna completely forget early hip hop and hair metal for example? Nowadays because are producting an *idea of the 80s*, and not actually recreating the 80s itself entirely faithfully, we sort of made an 80s monogenre that synthesized a few key trends and stylistic choices with modern conventions. Some actual 80s songs may fit that aesthetic, but not all.
the chat isnt bigoted, racist, sexist, etc its just a gathering of the most annoying music listeners youve ever met
none of whom have a sense of humor, it's really cringe
@society uhhhh
So it's worse
Gain self awareness and realize you're talking about yourself
@@Sambroke that doesn't make sense, nice try though
The issue isn't slurs or anything, it's the fact that Twitch chat thinks they can do what Fantano does
@@davestephens3246 the thing is his chat just goes along with everything fantano says. They don’t have their own opinion
@@Aaron-ix8zh also if fantano thinks something is kinda mid, everyone is trying, to make their best "roast" which is just unfunny cringe
@@Aaron-ix8zh What you stated isn’t unique to Melon Head chat though. Most of the chats that I’ve seen on twitch or TH-cam d ride the opinions of the people that they’re watching.
@@davestephens3246 everyone can share their personal opinion online, but not everyone can do it as well-worded, with so many diverse music genres covered, with his comedy style and clear delivery
That's because slurs aren't an issue and are super based
This should be a Let's Agree based on the title alone
facts
This da 🐐 no 🧢
I… agree
Why? Never been in his twitch chat
Nvm I read the comments lol
I’d rather be forced to read the millions of corny ass comments where your fan base “jokingly” accuses you of heinous crimes on theneedledrop comment section, than read 1 twitch chat
I can't believe "Fantano" commited domestic terrorism on July 19th, 1921
Those kinda funny tho
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100% the youtube comments section can get annoying sometimes but at least it can be funny. reading the twitch chat is about as fun as throwing a brick at my head
Both twitch chat and comment section are trash tbh
I think the first user's description of his Twitch chat as 'toxic' is poorly worded. The complaints I've seen and agree with are that the chat is unfunny, is biased towards Anthony's opinion even when he changes his mind and whenever they choose to comment on the song or artist at hand they practically spit out generic one-liners that barely pass as critiques or jokes. It's maybe even. uhm, a little cringe, bro?
Nah it's more than one-liners. Happens often that the chat straight up hates the artist and make the most meaningless comparisons in order for them to find some type of excuse to hate them.
As Fantano was saying twitch chat moves too fast for any form of discussion so all that gets out is short crap by people wanting attention or to jump on a bandwagon opinion
I mean, it's Twitch with what, a hundred or so people going at once? Any comment gets buried immediately
So... It's a twitch chat.
I will never forgive him for someone calling rina sawayama mid
The issue isn't the slurs or sexism. It's like being surrounded by the seagulls from finding Nemo. They actively hate a song untill Anthony says he likes it or visa versa. it's especially evident with any artist that melon usually dislikes (Eminem, Hopsin, drake) every song so trash untill he says "I like it" and they trip over themselves to agree.
True lul
He should troll them by praising a shitty song and laughing at them when they pretend to like it.
“You’re rats with wings!”
Eminem is ok. Hopsin idk. Drake never been a fan.
@@chairwood you don't have to like them, just the examples I remembered.
Feeling a light 1 on the Twich chat's existence...
"and the one is just because it exists"
Tran
It’s da 🐐 no 🧢
@@prodbyzaqq bro aint no way youre in youtube comments too that's crazy
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You gotta understand that every single person in his Twitch chat is terminally online
Isn’t that sort of true for most twitch chats though?
@@WarningBFG-isHiring I’d argue it’s universally true, there’s not a single twitch chat I’ve encountered that isn’t super annoying
@@jaden_bricker besides jermas
@@jackstanfield6317 the only thing more annoying than jermas chat is jerma himself. How can people tolerate him?
@@jaden_bricker Try smaller channels, in my experience all twitch chats try to get the steamer's attention, but the really annoying desperate shit only comes out when there's so many people the streamer can't read everything.
A good replacement for "Needle Drops" would be "Stantanos."
I….
Agree
Perfect. I made a joke and said Melons, but my serious suggestions was Tanfanos, somehow I missed the obvious Stantanos.
Underrated. This is great.
Droplets
Needs
As a guy who has slid into a few twitch chats before, it's literally just a constant contest of who can get said streamer to notice you. Like trying to be the cutest puppy amongst the annoying ass chihuahuas. It's hell. It's Twitch.
facts twitch sucks ass
it's chihuahua hell.
Thanks for this powerful image i will never forgor
Twitch is a para-social hellhole. People think streamers are their friends and deserving of their attention, and adjust their behavior to reflect that.
I consider this comment canon.
By far the best analogy I've ever seen on any topic.
My biggest problem with fantano's chat is that they will be hating on a song but the moment he says anything positive they switch up completely
They're just all trying to get read out loud and will say anything to get attention
maybe there is more than 1 person in the chat with different opinions
@@Vexelpops1 yes but that many people shifting opinions at once, there is bound to be overlap between separate people who comment who already liked it and people who flip flop depending on what Anthony says
it's inevitable and weird af
Mayb it's different people and they only share their opinion when they agree w Anthony so like it looks like they're making up their opinions but not rly
thanks for raising this issue melon. i love ur twitch streams, but when you singled me out and told the entirety of chat to call me an array of homophobic and racial slurs, i was a bit hurt
I was apart of that, I’m not sorry😋
Sorry bruh I was one of them, just had to do it🥺
You know I had to do it to em
🤣😭 this is why
TH-cam > twitch
Sorry that was me
the TND Twitch chat is none of the most infuriating things i can possibly think of. whenever i watch stream highlights, i have to cover the right side of my screen with my hand lmao
His chat is horrible, but even so it is, unfortunately, not even close to being in the bottom half of twitch. I'd rather spend 12 hours reading melon's chat than 5 minutes of xQc, Hasan or, god forbid, Akademiks
His chat is not that bad ive been saying this for months
That's kinda just twitch though. The chat is usually pretty bad
I wouldn't even say it's necessarily Anthony's chat specifically that is horrendous, but every chat on a live stream with more than about 100 viewers is pure cancer. The overwhelming majority of comments are either spam, unrelated bullshit, everyone bandwagoning onto one comment and spamming that regardless of it's true or relevant, or horrible shit that slips past mods because chat's moving too fast. Anyone who would ever post a non-cancerous message quickly realizes what a pointless endeavor it is and so the chat is left to the worst percentage of the viewers.
@@SapientGalaxy it's mainly the bandwagonning and the instant changing of opinions when Fantano says something that is so infuriating for me. they can't even think for themselves
anthony: *listens to a song
his twitch chat: BOO!!! this song is whack af🤮
anthony: i actually liked this track alot
his twitch chat: wow this song is actually a grower🥰🥰
The chat isn’t abusive like the guy made out, it’s just really stubborn and snobby
Bandwagon-y is the word
Anthony’s twitch chat are the kind of people that say the stupidest shit known to man and call them hot takes
This topic is finally being acknowledged, we're witnessing melon history
Edit nvm he dodged that shit lol, the issue with the chat isn't bigotry it's that they're cancerous annoying haters who freak out on any and every song until Fantano says he likes it.
No, it isn't. He attempts to subvert the argument as some sort of discussion of bigotry instead of the constant negativity and elitism found in his chat.
@Aaa Aaa Yeah because why tf would someone complain about a terrible community, what a whiny circlejerk, how dare you expect him to address this.
@Aaa Aaa What? What are you on about?
I'm genuinely confused as to what people wanted to hear, the cringey attempts at emulating the streamer, unfunny jokes, bandwagoning and etc, are all staples of just about any large chat.
@Aaa Aaa Why are you being so vague, I don't get the point your making
The fact that everyone seems to unanimously agree that the Twitch chat is annoying makes me think that a lot of the “annoying chatters” are also, ironically, complaining that the chat is annoying.
this is a fact
Reading your Twitch chat is like drinking bleach
This is an insult to bleach
watermelmon
Worst is that he caters to them
2014-ass comment
@@samuelparker8779 ratio
ur twitch chat is not toxic but they are pretentious and will always piggyback on your opinion or body language.
So in other words, they’re toxic
Which i’d argue is a different type of toxic.
@@bretmclennan2147 doesn't "toxic" mean anything anymore? Not everything bad is "toxic". They are just stupid and annoying.
Drakes vegan cookie recipe could never…
vegan cookies da 🐐 no 🧢
Fuuuuck Drake what have you fucking done
Twitch chats are useless. As Anthony said it's too much. You can't have a productive dialogue when by the time you've written a response there's 200 messages above the thing you're responding to. It basically functions as a "lmao" or emote button
Yeah, an infuriating problem when watching popular streamers. Suffers greatly from hive-mind mentality.
If you only watch big streamers, sure. But they can be fun places to hang out for a bit in streams with 200 or less viewers imo
“it’s just a super opinionated music chat” and that is the exact problem 😭 I def don’t think it’s a reflection of anthony but that entire premise is just destined to bring a horrible environment
Why does everyone keep saying "premise"? Is that the next word to lose all meaning?
@@YodasPapa i mean, its been used properly from what I've seen
@@kioro4221 You're lucky, that's all I can say. Few of us have come so far and endured so little. Take my blessing for the road ahead.
needle drops would be our name if anthony did heroin
Hahaha great one
You’re too late, Melon. I’ve already formed my own opinion on the horrors of twitch chat.
A fantano twitch chat seems like a wholesome place where valid opinions are stated.
yes :)
Hey Anthony no shitpost just wanted to say I think you’re a great guy that I look up to, especially for how logical, fair and articulate you are against discourse.
This comment is just plainly wholesome, what a rare sight in the YT community lol
I agree with this sentiment. Melon is a really good dude and I also look up to him
They're not toxic in the face value way. They literally ride every opinion of yours
You have professional fans saying you're just hating
nothing scarier for a new artist then to being on fantanos twitch
This comment section roasting his twitch chat had me laughing my ass off for 1 hour
The actor/musician take is weird. They are generally artists first and it’s impressive to watch them try a different media. Yasiin Bey (Mos Def) for example was fantastic in Hitchiker’s Guide
Tbh I always feel it’s the opposite, the majority of musicians are terrible actors and the majority of actors are awful musicians
Musical. Theatre. Musical theatre. There is a whole genre defined by singers who can act or actors who can sing. Effectively telling artists to stay in their lane Rob’s the world of amazing art.
Cher in Moonstruck tho
LET’S ARGUE: Anthony should at least call us ‘Needle Drops’ during Classics Week
You should see the live chats on illegal sports streams, it's fascinating, I almost don't beleive they are real people.
They're not
Every comment here is "It's not toxic but it's so unfunny and awful" yet you know every one of them is actively in those chats lmao
Fantano: MY TWITCH CHAT IS SO TOXIC UGGGHHH
Hasanabi: first time?
the chat isn't necessarily toxic the way you'd traditionally think of, but they definitely will decide they don't like something and just absolutely slam it in the meanest way possible. and then they immediately change their opinion when fantano says it's good
If there's one thing I've learned it's that every single internet group is super toxic. Mostly because almost all internet communities are an average age of about 12 to 18.
Yea Fantanos twitch chat is actually annoying asf. The pretentiousness is easily the most aggravating part
Saying "there's only so many movies that can be made" and then turning around and saying "there's no limit to how many music projects can be made" is so asinine it's not even funny.
Call us Peter because my name is Peter and that would be convenient for me
No no, this person 9:26 has a point. Every mainstream club I step into plays the same songs they played 5-8 years ago.
The hot take on musicians in film is so dumb, even decades ago. 20 years ago Whitney Huston covered "I Will Always Love You" only because she was in her film debut in The Bodyguard. Without that singer being in film the world wouldn't have had one of the best covers of all time. Actors and musicians are artists (even though acting is really a craft). They overlap and we've been given some of the best movies AND records of all time because of it.
Not to mention, actors transitioning to music has resulted in horrible music more times than musicians transitioning to acting has resulted in bad movies. I hate to go with the worst example of it but.... Angelic 2 The Core should be enough solid ground to allow, at least, a thousand musicians to be able to dabble in acting. It's the only fair price.
I agree with all this but i’d argue acting is definitely an art form as it’s a form of expression.
@@DeathbatOfSpades true, its definitely subjective and the aim and end result is emotional resonance,
Don't forget Eminem's "Lose Yourself" was from the soundtrack of his film 8 Mile.
When an artist releases singles, it’s only detrimental to the quality of the actual listen through of the album if the artist releases a lot of singles that are going onto one album. As much as I love the new abnormal by the strokes, I wish they didn’t release so many tracks as singles from that album
0:00 Intro
0:20 "Melon's Twitch Chat Is Toxic"
1:28 "Successful Musicians Shouldn't Get Into Acting"
3:38 "Melon would have been okay with MC Ride saying the stuff that Anthony Kiedis said on the newest Peps album"
4:34 'LukeOnDemand could beat Melon in Minecraft PVP"
4:39 On a scale of 1-10 how many Ska albums are there?
4:51 "Steven Tyler's screeches on Dream On and I Don't Wanna Miss A Fuckin Thing are annoying"
5:22 "Sex Pistols' Never Mind The Bollocks Is A Classic"
6:54 "Taylor Swift's Reputation is an 8/10 after learning the context of the record"
7:24 "It would be cool for a "Feel Good Inc." cover on the Danny Brown and JPEGMAFIA collab album"
7:50 What songs would Melon want Weird Al to cover if we could get one more parody album?
8:00 "80's is it's own distinct genre, whereas 60's, 70's, 90's, etc could mean many things."
8:42 "The more people on a Kendrick album cover, the better it is"
9:00 "There's no artists that make party music anymore"
9:40 "When artists release multiple singles it's a massive detriment to the album listening experience"
10:19 "If you've never been moved to tears by a song, you don't like music"
10:59 "Why don't you call us your Needle Drops anymore?"
11:43 Outro
Imagine taking a twitch chat seriously in 2022
The problem is that twitch chat actually isn't very opinionated at all. They will mindlessly hate on a track but immediately flip the second Anthony bops his head a little 💀
the problem of the chat is not its toxicity, it's that they shit on every track that doesn't immediately fulfill their tiny attention span.
People are saying that the twitch chat is biased towards him but of course it is, that's where all those people will congregate. I simply do not observe the twitch chat and therefore it is in a quantum superposition of both being toxic and non toxic at the same time
It's not toxic it's just super annoying
petition for the viewers to be called "my melonheads"
Literally popped into one of his streams just to see him react to the new $B album because I just wanted to see his opinion on it (even if it was good or bad.) Before he even played the first song the chat was already spamming 2’s (not goods) or saying like “we don’t want to listen to this.” Like dawg he’s doing his job. You should be thankful he’s even live streaming it for y’all’s entertainment.
2:46 nah even Frank Sinatra was doing some fire acting in the late 50s and early 60s
1:28 i wanna add to this point, coming from a perspective of complete utility, the number of high value high exposure jobs that non-famous people have gotten from working on movies that wouldn't exist if it weren't for a famous musician having made the franchise profitable (whether it be a movie made *for* a famous person, or a sequel being made exclusively because a famous person made the first movie successful enough to warrant a second, or the studio just having enough new cash influx to want to make another movie period) WAY outnumbers the number of roles "stolen" by famous musicians. adding celebrities to the cast will almost always result in significantly more people benefitting than the one "classical actor" who didn't get their role. also, a lot of them are.. good? like certainly not all, but musicians are performers, and often, they're good at and trained in both.
I mean what twitch chat isn't?
Instead of "needle drops" I'm in favor of "The Melon Militia"
Really disappointed there weren't any first wave Ska albums at 4:47. I feel like at least ONE album by Toots And The Maytals, Desmond dekker or the Skatalites should have been included even for a joke. I do like that you included "Ska Dream" though.
09:00 "Nobody makes party music anymore"
*the whole fucking Latin music scene has left the chat*
☔💧💦DROPLETTES 💦💧☔
I’ve been waiting for someone to bring this up with Anthony for a long time.
Truly? I've been hoping for pro choice to be a choice
I've never heard of Never Mind The Bullocks, is this some sort of concept album revolving around the personal life of Sandra Bullock?
7:14 introducing mac miller swimming redux review
No surprise that since Anthony has shifted his focus over the years to being a popular music culture commentator that he would start attracting young and obnoxious people. This fanbase has been cultivated over time by constantly giving time to memes, most of which are negative, and using Twitter of all things as your primary content platform
That twitch chat is nasty. Even if it's getting moderated I still see a bunch of bigoted messages
One man’s bigoted is another man’s based
@@jacksonconstantine5740 ew
You should call us your little seeds, and we all live in the seed vault.
Melon doesn't do anything wrong with how he moderates his chat. He does take guidelines towards how far chat can go.
A big thing pointed out in comments is how even though he leaves it up to chat to discuss music, the chat overlooks it and idolized Anthony.
A good example of this for me is when Anthony watched nakeyjake's last music video and Anthony was feeling unsure, the chat is blowing up with shit talking Jake but the moment Anthony acknowledged the good parts the chat flips script.
The issue is when someone from the start goes "I think this is good", the chat outside of Anthony's control dog piles that person but within a minute on Anthony's words flips to that person's side.
It also doesn't help that Anthony when reading that comment about his chat used a whiney tone which is fixed.
Anthony knows he's doing his best for moderation and wants discussion because music is subjective. The issue is that you should call out bad behavior more for the growth of conversation. Anthony doesn't want everyone agreeing, he wants discussion and it's clear since early videos. But Anthony needs to expand his moderation with warnings of "hey guys, this dog pile isn't okay because of what I said".
This comment isn't a hit on Anthony it's agreeing with him about the control he has and acknowledging the things he has moderated. It's just pointing out the flaws every top comment has which is inclusiveness and growth of discussion which Anthony has always wanted.
Sounds more like a let's agree tbh
I've never had a problem with inclusivity regarding Fantano's Twitch chat. It's the constant inability of them to stick with their own opinion. The polls during the stream easily reflect that too.
On the singles point. I've noticed a lot of artist stick to 2 album singles and the rest are their own thing or cuts.
I had to accept that when people say "this sounds like the 60ies" the normally don't refer to Stockhausen.
Anthony missed the point completely 💀
Internet community: *doesn't throw out a red carpet for my opinions*
Me: "this place is very toxic"
Bear with me; name your forum “the melon patch” that way you don’t have to worry about forcing a group identity onto the fan, instead, they can make a decision to participate in the melon patch, thereby feeling included in a larger group without sensationalizing/stanning ppl… cause u can’t ‘be’ a melon patch, but u can be a part of the melon patch
That selection of 8 Ska albums is hilariously and narrowly Yank-centric. THREE Reel Big Fish albums? No Jamaican artists? Surely a Trojan compliation is essential? Only one 2Tone album? Where's Madness, The Beat and Selecta?
Fantano da 🐐 no 🧢
Real
Damn u switched up
Fantano’s twitch chat da 🐐 no 🧢
ZAQQ da 🐐of 🍆 riding
"m-m-my chat is toxic"
Bruh everyones talking about twitch chat , when the real issue is WHAT SHOULD HE CALL US ?!?!
“are my fans toxic?” he asks on a series called “lets argue”
About the acting question, I always think of Joey Badass' performance in Mr Robot, which was really good
"80s is its own distinct genre"
Hell no. If I said I wanted to play some 80s music, and instead of synthpop, new wave, and early contemporary R&B/funk, I played new jack swing, house, techno, and golden age hip hop, you'd look at me funny.
His chat is the definition of "he thinks he's him"
Im feeling a light to decent 1 on the twitch chatroom
fontano mate, its a cesspool of people hating on whatever track comes on. its nothing special about your chat that makes it like this, its just twitch chats in general
10:10 fun fact, The Smiths released 'There Is a Light That Never Goes Out' as a single 6 years after the album (The Queen is Dead)
Beethoven realised and slammed down the sadness and pain fetishism in the 9th symphony and not enough people appreciate it for that. It's a 90min 10/10 album and I really hope you'll pick that up when you get to the 10s of the 1820s
I think context is important and can add a lot to a record in a number of cases, especially when dealing with conceptual/experimental pieces as they help further inform where the art is coming from, what it's doing, etc. I don't know if it'd mean a "change in rating" as such, but might help to better define a rating at the very least. For instance... Recently I gave John McCowen's 4 Chairs in 3 Dimensions a listen, it's a solo clarinet record somewhere in the style of Evan Parker and so on - and in reading the title to a track halfway through, called Birds of Jamaica, the title made the piece click as I realized the intent was to imitate a natural tropical soundscape through the clarinet. Details like these can at least help build a clearer picture of what one is listening to in instances as abstract as these.
On the topic of Ska albums, Streetlight Manifesto will actually be coming out with a new album either at the end of this year or the beginning of next year.
Not Anthony pronouncing Bollocks like Bullocks as in Sandra Bullock 😭
Melon saying there is only 8 ska albums and none of them being Streetlight Manifesto shows that he has truly fallen off.
11:35 The melon seeds
The musician/actor thing makes me think of Stevie Van Zandt in Sopranos, he's talked a few times about being extremely nervous starting the show and feeling like he would be looked down upon by the actors for being a "rockstar" and not a real actor.
8:41 PHENOMENAL ALBUM YOU CAN SLANDER FEVER ALL YOU WANT BUT THIS IS AN UNDERRATED CLASSIC
The way melon says 'bollocks' makes me so upset.
Twitch chats in general tend to just be annoying, most VODs that include chat, tend to be filled with the same joke a billion times, unfunny copy-pastas, and spam
if the streamer wants something chat immediately says the opposite, if something bothers them, chat immediately spams exactly that, whatever they ask chat, even when most people cooperate there's always enough users saying the opposite or lying to confuse the streamer, enough for the rest to just not matter anymore, it's no fun to participate in chat anymore because it's just a mess and the mods can barely do anything to help
I really liked being one of your Needle Drops antknee. I also really liked being told to check the "link in the dbox"
The twitch community is easily one of the worst ones just because of no one EVER goes against the streamers opinion, it’s SO rare to see someone questioning anything the streamer says
1:52 the funniest part of this idea is that acting and music often go hand in hand. many actors have independent music with small audiences, from celebrity bands from the Viper room to Michael cera to Idris Elba running a record label and more. In the case of some musicians, acting is what helps build the persona of a character they play, like rick ross going from being a Correction Officer to a rapper that is known for street music. I think what's funny is some musicians have backgrounds in acting like Joey Badass, who depending on who you ask might be better known for his work on Mr. Robot than his music.
"Nevermind the BULLUCKS" please stop Anthony stop
Honestly... Not as toxic as giving a Not Good on........ Nevermind.
It’s not that chat is bigoted or something, it’s that 99% agree with everything Fantano says, regardless of reality, AND simultaneously blindly try to believe whatever opinion is most popular on Facebook and Twitter.
Both of those happening at the same time just creates a group of people who are an absolute embarrassment.
@Aaa Aaa I take it you’re part of chat
At the risk of having a bad opinion online: I think "80s" is it's own genre, but I don't believe it was in the 80s. If you took across section of like 20 random hit songs, maybe looked at a good handful albums across the decade, you are going to find all kinds of genre and stylistic experiment. Are we gonna completely forget early hip hop and hair metal for example? Nowadays because are producting an *idea of the 80s*, and not actually recreating the 80s itself entirely faithfully, we sort of made an 80s monogenre that synthesized a few key trends and stylistic choices with modern conventions. Some actual 80s songs may fit that aesthetic, but not all.
youre right and i think thats what the original tweet was getting at within the character limit