*Works great my **Latest.Bike** I have a bad knee so I still get exercise but the bike assists me. I am a big guy so I didn’t think it would go as fast but it works great.*
I'm glad to hear you say that the person making the battery should be paid well. Workers that are skilled and trustworthy should be paid very very well
If that were the case, cell phones would be 4x their current price 😆 Basically every cell phone today, passes through a child workers hands at some point.
@@chriswf The assembly of the cellphone at Foxconn in China is but 1 to 2% of the value of the phone. And Foxconn doesn't use children. So who supplies the 98 to 99% of the value of the phone? Makers of the components, such as the boards, the processors and the display. They all come in from South Korea, Germany and other countries. Flown in for just in time production and flown out as finished cellphones.
@@LV_CRAZY isn't Foxconn the place where their labor practices are basically slavery? I haven't read much about them in a long time, but I think I remember they used to have a TON of suicides there because they were pretty much enslaving people. But that might be old news. Anyway, I think it's the lithium and battery manufacturing that uses the child labor the most. Not just for phones, but all lithium based batteries.
@@chriswf Foxconn has changed. I believe you are thinking of the cobalt used in lithium batteries, some cobalt being mined with child labor in Africa. There is a Consortium of so-called ethical lithium battery manufacturers that ban child sourced Cobalt. And cobalt free batteries are coming out.
If the workers and employer are high quality, they will get paid very well and the cost to the customer will still be competitive with that of mass produced garbage.
This past week when doing research on hydraulic disc brakes for electric brakes, I came across a seller that recommended against me using the same brakes included on super expensive premade brakes on any ebike. Also when asking if the brake levers were left or right, they didn't answer until I asked three times. I got my BBS02 from you. You clearly know more than the seller of my front hub motor. I had to try si many different tools before figuring out that T20 Security is the right tool for the hub motor disc brakes. Amazon sellers don't always know everything and you are definitely at risk of getting something that doesn't work. I got refunded for a bike that came with a bent front fork and the seat post also got stuck inside the frame. Big frame scratches too.
better brakes are always the choice for e bikes My little carbon folder tops out at about 35mph/50kph. This is with little 20inch skinny tires the last thing you want is bad brakes at 30+ mph If you have the opportunity go with good disc brakes everytime . I live in a very hilly area , at most times I'm full stop on both brake levers going down steep inclines. They work very well
I have two battery packs. One is the Luna pack 13.5 ah using LG cells and it gets about 1150 watts max fully charged . The other pack I have which a 6ah purchased from yours truly JNO , has samsung cells and it gets close to the 1300 w max on my bbs02 , I see 1250 or so when fully charged going up the same steep hill behind my house. Samsung 30q cells push by bbs02 to 1250 watts or so while the LG MJ1 cells push it to around 1130-1150 or so range.
Very useful. I think the danger of cheap batteries is that they will fail quickly and/or not deliver the promised voltage and/or AHs. Great video, thank-you.
After a lot of scientific research into batteries I broke it all down into "invest the extra in not setting your crotch or butt on fire" (depending on where you mount your battery).
@@itekani Why take any risks? The battery is a worthwhile investment in safety. It's worth the money up front on the battery instead of later on with higher insurance premiums or hospital bills.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 Absolutely, I didn't mean you should go and buy a cheap battery. I just meant risk of fire is much more serious when you are not using the bike, because then you will be outside. I certainly don't want to burn my house down!
Love your videos. I have converted two bikes so far here in Portugal, I converted one downhill bomber for my wife so that it would be unbreakable, and my crappy hardtail for myself and your recommendation to go mid-drive was 100% correct. Way better! I have a question I hope you may know and have the time to answer...are all these down-tube battery mounts the same so you can mix and match mfrs?
Years ago there was a lot of truth to this. No longer. I am not talking battery capacity or weight. There are minor differences there. I have yet to disassemble a generic battery that did not have Samsung or Panasonic cells anyway. Because they have to mass produce these now, mfg processes are more and more standardized. There is not a significant difference in quality of assembly from a mfg. The odds of a battery fire, from a factory battery that is not attached wrong, damaged or charged with the wrong charger, is a whole lot lower than the odds of being killed on your bike. Nearly all reported e-bike fires are actually e-mopeds. An amazing percentage are being over charged in homemade charging stations. Other than them, home made (hand made) batteries, aftermarket "rapid chargers," cracked cases and questionable connections, account for nearly all battery fires.
This is all really good to know, been working on the a concept for a modular based enclosed e-bike/trike. An the fact of getting closer to where i would have to look into the batter/ies that would power the system/motor/s of the bike is getting closer so looming in mind abit. Even looking at how big the battery should be for the bike/trike to power the number of hub motors on it effectively the best, while keeping it removeable so it can be brought in during the winter seasons.
I have the cheap batteries and I ride the hell out of them for over a year now big drops, jumps and crashes and no fire yet. But... now you say that, I'm looking at them out of the corner of my eye like a snake... I watch them charge...
I bought an Aventon Level, 48V. The battery pack failed right at the 2 year warrantee point. After the dealer got them to say they would replace it, they never did. They want $500 for a replacement. Why would I buy a replacement from them when the original was a POS? I don't think it was the battery cells that failed, more likely the circuit board. I've gone back to using my pedal bike. It cuts how far I can go. The E bike is worthless W/O a battery. Is there a circuit board control that I can buy?
The mantra of ‘avoid burning your house down’ is not just rhetoric. As an investigator, I have been to houses that have burnt to the ground as a result of cheap lithium batteries. One unfortunate bloke had just received some generic batteries in the mail and left them to charge while he ducked out. He returned home several hours later to find his family house ablaze. We later identified the charging point as the point of origin for the fire. Saving a few dollars for cheap battery packs is not worth the risk.
Thank you for taking the time to show this video. l appreciate your advice and will go with the more expensive battery pack. Question? the Samsung cell is the best?
I would argue there is no “best” battery cell, just as there is no “best” automobile. A pickup truck is the best for some while a sedan is better for others. Same for cells. Are you going for energy density or power output? I try to pair my cells with my packs for a good blend of capacity and performance. Samsung makes tons of different cells for different applications.
I was always curious about *Hailong* batteries quality and safety, but then noticed you used to sell them on your website. Are they still reputable even if purchased from Amazon?? Also, any great 72v (larger amp hour) battery recommendations? Thanks Johnny, love your vids!
Amazon is like eBay….so short answer is no. I don’t recommend Amazon for numerous reasons. It all comes down to ALL the components being used in the battery. The BMS, the cells, the connections, the charge port etc.
It's also a logistics issue. Small low volume sellers simply won't have the ability to buy like the brands selling 10's of thousands of products. If I buy a motor kit locally I might have to pay twice as much to buying through a Chinese seller who maybe ships from the UK or Europe. I doubt if the factory door price of those decent cells are $7 that is probably the price for small volume buyers, it could be high volume buyers pay only $4 maybe less. I mean walmart sold a very basic ebike I think for $399 if I remember rightly. You break down all the components plus shipping, tariffs, profit etc you probably have no more than $50 for the included battery. Samsung do a very safe abuse-able cell that is not particularly energy dense which features in a lot of battery packs as its a recognised brand. The battery pack will end up a bit heavier than battery packs with better more advanced cells but still a good option. Any complete ebike sold in the UK, Europe and US through normal retail channels (not personal imports) has to go through the certification process and the cells will have to be fully certified i.e. properly tested to be legally sold even those super cheap walmart ebikes. However on aliexpress sellers have filled cells with sand (not kidding) on some battery packs and powerbanks. It's like only half the cells are real cells and the rest is just padding. That's why its important to take your time if buying on aliexpress and go with the sellers with very positive reviews and a high number of sales if you are trying to save money. Also I think some of the Chinese cells are ok, they aren't all bad but many are unfortunately. Some of the complete ebikes sold at retail across Europe, US etc do have Chinese cells. I bought a couple of battery packs from ebay before the pandemic. Ebay had a 15% off code at the time and the seller offered a generous discount if you buy two battery packs. They have the basic Samsung cells in a Hailong case. I think I paid £150 each approx possibly slightly less and they were 48V 12.5Ah. I think now I'd be lucky to pay less than £230 each.
Most of the batteries that burst into flame are scooter batteries. Ebike batteries are not the problem. He wants to scare people into buying his overpriced batteries instead.
Paid 17.50 for a broken ninebot g30 max battery. Brand new samsung cells (only bms was broken) Got my own spotwelder and i know how to spotweld. Paid 50 backs for a case. 10 backs for nikkel strip. 30 backs bms So outcomd is like 125 for a good quality 500wh battery pack :)
Chemistry of iron phosphate is actually more volatile.The BMS logic is what prevents fire from starting and and also the way they design/manufacture the cells is what limits fire from propagating
I understand that 4500 miles with 1095 daily charging cycles is near the end but it just quit...flat stopped ? Like a fuse (I replaced) or a connection. With the cover removed what can a guy test to see if it is something simple or D.O.A. ? I'm a nerd also just not with free electrons more of a nuts and bolts kind of guy. Please advise mission control.
True. Some firms charge for Grade A, but deliver grade B or worse in many ways. (Rad, for example, charges a premium price, and have proprietary interfaces, so you must buy from them if you have such a bike (the loaner)….)
From what I have recently seen, there is a lot of "liar's poker" going on with battery specifications these days. Batteries being sold with amazing specs, but disappointing outcomes. And yes, the "overstated performance batteries" are priced VERY attractively. Let the buyer beware.
OK SO YOU SAID IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS! 😮 ... Asof 6/23 Some of these New Ebikes coming out offer 48w x 60a - or 52w x 60a in 48 System Ebike With a 25a controller. But NO Where can you find out Battery Type Or Spec. (Eahora Joliet and Aniioki AQ 177 $1900.) Johnny DO You Know Anything About These Ebike and Your Thoughts! "Thx Johnny"
If you are referring the batteries on a premade ebike, you may have to ask the dealer what the specs are. If you are buying a battery from a vendor they will have those specs listed.
I've noticed you can very easily get packs from Ali that come without a case, they seem to be half the price or less than a 'good' battery like a UPP ( loius rossmans exploded though ). I don't make my own because the individual cells cost a LOT of money particularly the high discharge rate ones, theres some sort of conspiracy to keep people from buying individual cells and to jack up the price. I just let the expert at the factory deal with all that trouble, they have the experience and specialized tools that makes it way easier and cheaper than to DIY it.
Don't listen to Louis. He wired up multiple batteries in a way that's extremely dangerous. Also his BMS Boards weren't enough for the motor he was using.
@@ChrisBFerguson can you explain what happened with Louis' UPP battery? Obviously the BMS was not designed to handle the situation he created but otherwise, what was wrong with him paralleling the batteries?
I rode my bike in extreme cold weather and I noticed my power level started went down to1 and flashing, I got home charged and riding my bike to the store it went down to flashing 1 again flashing. when I put on the charger the whole display flashes then drops to 1 again.. Help! Can I buy a battery without changing the battery holder???
According to Hallomotor. They said that the cells in my battery are the Panasonic Tesla Cells? Not sure what they mean but would that be considering “gewd?” They also provided a fast charging Risunmotor charger as well. So I’m not sure if I got ripped off or not. However no joke. The battery is quit powerful and it has decent range as well. It’s a 48v 19.2ah battery. Let me know please and thank yew!
I have to add für the people, which are reading this, that it’s not completely correct. Yes, there is a difference between cheap Chinese cells and good quality cells, and I would advise everyone always to use the good known one (Samsung, LG, Panasonic…) but you can’t just say that they need to cost 4$ and more. I use the Samsung 50E cells and buy them for 3,50€ from an official store. Bigger manufacturer will always get good Rabatte when they take some thousands of cells. A simple maths shows, that for example car maker pay under 1$ for a cell and they surely don’t use the Chinese one. The next thing is, that I agree, that a not properly build battery pack is very dangerous but it surely doesn’t cost 200$. When you know how to handle high voltage and high current it’s actually really easy to build the battery pack and unless you are not a big brand like Bosch, you will use every time the same Chinese housing and Chinese BMS and so on. In the end there is no need for paying 200 ore 300$ more. This will not guarantee you any quality. It’s better to see if the seller lists which cells are being used and what’s the reputation or feedback of the seller.
Something to remember is that wholesale battery prices are less than 50% of retail prices, so you can get a quality battery pack for much less than you think. Highest quality 18650 cells are around $2.50 wholesale ($6 retail) with cheaper quality Chinese cells around the $1.50 price range ($3 retail). Very cheap low quality cells cost even less and are not worth it for safety reasons.
@@kevinmchale5660 do you thinks someone making batteries will buy enough to make one pack? so it is disingenuous to use individual price when accounting for inflated prices of packs. They want make money on parts and labor rather than just labor and try to hide profit and materials cost.
We are new to E biking? How often do you maintenance and if you need an extra battery? Where do you get that we bought a cheap e bike Five hundred is what we paid A walmart special
Hey brother thanks for all info I have 2013 scott spark 950 duel suspension Do you think the bafang kit will fit on it and especially the batteries witch shape and size will fit Thanks
Mine 58.8 volt $999 i bought 2 ! With the best cells ! From shop and talked to person that puts them together took me 6 places ! Finaly got a good guy here in NSW Australia ,also got a 56.4 battery 48 volt to ! Buy the best not worth buying cheap !
Johnny, I notice that you sell Hailong batteries. What type cell is used in these? I keep hoping to find a power source that is decent and doesn't cost a fortune.
Great video. Question...I'm new (self taught) to electrical engineering, repair + maintenance of ebikes. I installed a 4-light system on ebike - backlight, high beam (×1) and low beam (×2). I run everything through a 12v/24v power source (bank). Recently, I decided to add rocker switch (×2) to separate high be from low beam. I noticed that the LED indicators on the rockers will sometimes work, sometimes not but the lights will always work. I've looked for shorts, can't find anything. Power source is rated for 12v/24v. I register 28.5v on multimeter when everything is turned on. Could this be the cause why the rocker lights don't work? I've switched out rockers twice....same result. Hope u can help. Great video. /bklyn 👑
I bought a 17.5ah battery pack for about £250 (GBP) about 4 years ago, but never got around to using it until now. Does that sound about right for a descent quality based on the prices 4 years ago?
Sounds cheap but you didn't even say the voltage (48V, 52V?). So if the battery cells alone cost ~£250 or more how would they pay for the battery pack itself and the worker who put it together? That means the cells are way cheaper than £250 and the pack too and worker likely wasn't very skilled since their isn't much money left over either when you add it up. Maybe listen to the video because it answered your question already. You bought a cheap battery.
@@vigilant_1934 I'm not sure I can agree with that. Battery prices are getting cheaper all the time and as another poster says, most are using pretty good quality cells now too. Johnny seems to have a real downer on Amazon too, for no particularly good reason (We all KNOW Bezos is an A-hole). I've always had excellent service from them and most of what they sell is up to the mark, as long as you don't expect miracles. The best advice is always read the reviews before purchasing. I never buy a product if it doesn't have at least half a dozen 4 or 5 star reviews.
Do you have any idea what happens when lithium hits water?! You don't want to be around when it happens!! It's safer to throw water on an oil fire which I wouldn't do either.
@@jaysonwallker1648 No matter, after battery is ignite, to avoid water. It reduce flame size and give time to get rid of it. Firefighters use water bath, when it is possible.
Our ebike battery measured across pin outputs show only .996v instead of 52v, we just ran about 5miles and back home, next day nothing on display. We charged until green light on charger lit up. But measures across terminal still show 0.996V, what is the issue? Thanks
is there any battery distance chart or something similar? So it is ez to know how much km you can get from certain battery size and manufacturers! thanks
China is thee biggest supplier of batteries on the planet. As well as delivering some of the best batter tech on the planet. Sure you can end up getting a cheaply made battery, but you can also get high quality battery for a fraction of the price of an American manufacture
I've got a question for you. I bought a Polarna M5 that came with a supposedly 48V 17.5 Ah battery (that's what's written on it anyway), but I'm not convinced that it's really 17.5 Ah. Anyway, I'd like to buy a second battery (it's a foldable ebike with a battery inside the frame with a D-type metal casing). I've looked everywhere (Amazon, AliExpress, Alibaba, eBay) for such a battery 17.5 Ah but with reputable cells (Samsung or LG) and can't find any. Batteries for my ebike on Amazon go from $471 to $629 (Canadian dollars) for the same amperage, but no one states that the cells are known brands. They're all Chinese cells. Where to go to get a 48V 17.5 Ah D-type casing foldable ebike battery with high-quality cells? Thanks for any reply, and thanks for this video.
Hi AlainHubert, usually most of battery manufacturers didn't use Samsung or LG cells unless customer ask for it(They can but they usually don't). And there is a rule that sellers (on Amazon, AliExpress, Alibaba, eBay) can't use Samsung or LG as title or keywords in their published product, because it will cost very much to get the permission of Samsung or LG to use their name. That's why you can't find a seller who claim using Samsung or LG cell. I am also a ebike battery manufacturer, you are welcome to ask me some quesiton about battery.
I openened mine up to see and sure enough they were marked Samsung, but then I thought...do I really know the difference between samsung and a battery that has a printed lable that says Samsung? no I don't. but they work great so I will keep buying from same place to avoid problem
Hey Johnny great info unfortunately I'm in the UK so can only legally have a 250-watt motor can you advise what is the highest volt & Ah I can use with it I am looking to get the most distance as I can on a full charge. Thank for your help in advance. Regards Steve
its not illegal if use it aproppriately, you get a 1000 - 2000 watt bike, just dont put others in danger or yourself.. 25-30amp 48 to 52 volt battery, with at least 15 AH higher better such as 20AH
I have a pack from Hailong (also says Shanshan Tech on the pack). Ever heard anything about those? 36V 16AH supposedly with Panasonic cells cost me about 550 dollars over here in Sweden from a Swedish seller of kits.
What about a 48v 14ah battery with a two year warranty from an Amazon seller? Seems like a no lose at $259.00. I haven't had any battery last even one year yet. That's after 3 ebikes and 2 scooters...
Head to Johnnynerdout.com. If you need something quick, email or call the shop. For more in-depth help I would recommend booking a consultation from my homepage.
I would say safety is the biggest concern. Not just from a lower grade BMS, but cheaper cells that don’t have the same scrutiny put on them for performance and the assembly of the packs themselves.
Great vid, but one thing was left out, battery chemistry. LiFePO4 cells are far cheaper than standard lithium ion (or at least they have been, who knows what the future prices will be). I bought my 0.5 kWh LFP pack for just $200. Seemed too low, but with LFP there’s next to no worry about fire so I went for it. It was very bare bones though, with just shrink wrap and wires I had to solder connectors onto. I would have gladly paid more for a fully packaged LFP pack, but I couldn’t find one anywhere in the US. If you could offer them in your shop you’d fill a very specific niche.
Historically LifePo4 cells have been more expensive in $/Wh. Their selling point was that they are more stable and have higher C rates. CATL has really pushed price parity in the past couple years, but you will still find non LifePo4 bare cells to be cheaper.
@@davisbradford7438 this seems at odds with both my experience (buying a 0.5 kWh LFP pack for $200) and what I've read. This BNEF piece notes "Lithium iron phosphate - LFP - however plays as a cost-competitive alternative, contributing to the lowest reported cell prices of $80/kWh". As I understand it the main issue with LFP is weight. My battery pack could be a few lbs lighter if it were NMC. This seems like more of a problem for bigger batteries. At 0.5 kWh and below it's just a few lbs which the motor and easily handle. about.bnef.com/blog/battery-pack-prices-cited-below-100-kwh-for-the-first-time-in-2020-while-market-average-sits-at-137-kwh/
@@mattherndon9317From what I've read, LiFePO⁴ should be a little lighter than Lithium-ion batteries not any heavier. They shouldn't be cheaper than even lead acid batteries though. It's 2024 and I have yet to see LiFePO⁴ batteries in entry level or budget e-bikes.
The article seems to compare newer lithium-ion chemical batteries, not in mass production at the time of writing 2020, to LiFePO⁴ which had been studied since 1996 (not sure when they first came to market). Again I doubt these LiFePO⁴ batteries are going to be in anything except high end e-bikes but I'll look around.
I got a ebike 1000 front wheel with brain, no other parts? Does anyone sale a pakage to hook this up like handle throttle and display and of and on swith???
Subscriber here ! Q--- if you install a 52V battery on a BBS02 do you need to reprogram the controller ? I'm running a DCP18 Display & some are saying it will not show the correct voltage if the motor controller is not reprogrammed to 52v-------While others say the newer BBS02 controller is programmed for 52V & your fine. Any incite ?
@@JohnnyNerdOut Thanks, About to finish my first two builds. Without your helpful vids & strait shooter ways, I'd be pretty nervous about the builds as I was Green as Grass when I started.
Ditto... what you said about what Johnny N said. The best explanation of why the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Where should you store your bike batteries? I usually leave in the bike and the bike is in the garage. But, as you know, the garage has temperature swings. It can be very warm in the garage and in the winter cold. But it is enclosed, because I keep my garage door closed. But what say you?
Definitely a great question. I don’t like storing batteries in my house, no matter the quality. Outside can be brutal on a battery but safer. If it gets too cold, buy a couple moving blankets and wrap your battery in them while being stored at 50%.
@@JohnnyNerdOut How cold outside is too cold? 20 degrees and lower? Planning ahead. Might put battery in a cheap styrofoam cooler wrapped in a moving blanket inside another hardside cooler for added insulation/weather protection.
Yes it rarely gets colder than 45° in our garage. So I guess it doesn’t hurt to leave it out there once in a while. I usually bring it into the house. But if I’m lazy and don’t want to go outside to take it off or take it out, I’ll leave it there for a night or two. Days are in the high 60s and mid 70s. So maybe I don’t have to worry as much as folks that live in colder temperatures. Batteries are expensive so I want to try to prolong them as long as I possibly can.
Yes , but they are still too expensive . i have a Nox ( austrian bike ) with a BMZ 625 Watt battery that cost over a thousand Euros to replace . Yes it's german made with a sold aluminum case and very good connectors , but sht,i'm going to freak out when i have to replace it .😱
some prices (Europe) 2017 NT Style 36V 13Ah Samsung Battery $350 (Dillenger Street Legal extra battery) 2022 Rebuild and upgrade TranzX bl05 battery $400
One and two are valid BUT there's also mark up, you can pay a vastly different amount of money for exactly the same product, a lie of omission tut tut.
Ya but that is true of even the cheap cells. I know people who mark up the cheap cells to that of premium cells. Always buy from a reputable seller to avoid greedy markups. If you aren’t sure of those sellers, check the forums for real world feedback 👍
14x5 what!? Of course, I know what you're talking about, but people who don't know how to build a rechargeable battery will have no idea what you're talking about. You can't keep assuming that everybody already knows everything that you're talking about well supposedly making videos for people who don't know what you're talking about.
We are getting absolutely robbed for these batteries, tesla says their batteries are $120/kwh, fords lfp batteries are down to $80/kwh yet ebike batteries can easly cost over $1000/kwh. Same thing for power tools...
@@JohnnyNerdOut we already have "scale", so your telling me the companies selling ebike batteries don't buy em in bulk? All the cordless powertool and yard work companies not buying em in bulk? No scale there? Even if I order the minimum of 5000 cells to get the cheapest price, it's still a complete ripoff. When I built my first ebike almost 10 years ago they said the batteries are only going to get cheaper blah blah blah, yet I'm shopping around for a new pack and they cost more then they did 10 years ago!
@@polska9052020 messed everything up for shipping, supply chain, tariffs, ect. in many industries. I was building my first PC around that time and had to deal with shortage on power supplies which made the price go up when a quality one (Seasonic) was finally available. Now getting into e-bikes for commuting/groceries and it's not a surprise certain things were cheaper years ago as well. Pre-built e-bikes are cheaper overall though so happy for that. I'll add that big automobile manufacturers spend a lot more on batteries and buy way more than these smaller ebike ones do so it's not really close. There's also new lithium battery types that came out after 2020 so of course those are gonna cost more than the batteries from 10 years ago. And I hope you're not comparing them to the cheap heavy lead acid batteries.
It's marketing strategy some of the batteries are better but they don't necessarily cost more to make .. . If they wanted to give you a better quality battery and not charge you more that would be to their advantage and they wouldn't lose really any money they gain more sales
I was going to convert my Trek Remedy 8 Full Suspension MTB but. Battery will not fit in the triangle, Rear racks have drawbacks and a battery in a back pack seems like a hassle? Any suggestions on rear racks or?
Must admit I've bought quite expensive e bike batteries from amazon, claiming quality samsung cells, but unless I take it apart I won't know for sure! ..so it's a bit of a lottery really, time will tell I guess.
@@TheAgentAssassin true. Trouble is, they’ve been out of stock for ages, and based on my chat with them, they may no longer make batteries in the future…
Just like anything else in life.....quality! Do you really think McDonalds is the same as SmashBurger? Nooooooo!!!! If someone said they had a 2020 Ferrari for sale at $15k. There's something WRONG with it
Anyone having experience of bestebikes batteries, they have 4 certificates and I think they are real,530 or was it 600 bucks for 52v 17.5Ah battery with LG 18650/ Samsung 21700 cells, they have had no problems with the batteries atleast when I looked at the reviews. and I can't find any good/reliable seller/builder for ebike batteries here in Finland so just asking for a advice, do u think it's worth to buy battery from them.
*Works great my **Latest.Bike** I have a bad knee so I still get exercise but the bike assists me. I am a big guy so I didn’t think it would go as fast but it works great.*
I'm glad to hear you say that the person making the battery should be paid well. Workers that are skilled and trustworthy should be paid very very well
If that were the case, cell phones would be 4x their current price 😆
Basically every cell phone today, passes through a child workers hands at some point.
@@chriswf The assembly of the cellphone at Foxconn in China is but 1 to 2% of the value of the phone. And Foxconn doesn't use children. So who supplies the 98 to 99% of the value of the phone? Makers of the components, such as the boards, the processors and the display. They all come in from South Korea, Germany and other countries. Flown in for just in time production and flown out as finished cellphones.
@@LV_CRAZY isn't Foxconn the place where their labor practices are basically slavery? I haven't read much about them in a long time, but I think I remember they used to have a TON of suicides there because they were pretty much enslaving people. But that might be old news.
Anyway, I think it's the lithium and battery manufacturing that uses the child labor the most. Not just for phones, but all lithium based batteries.
@@chriswf Foxconn has changed. I believe you are thinking of the cobalt used in lithium batteries, some cobalt being mined with child labor in Africa. There is a Consortium of so-called ethical lithium battery manufacturers that ban child sourced Cobalt. And cobalt free batteries are coming out.
If the workers and employer are high quality, they will get paid very well and the cost to the customer will still be competitive with that of mass produced garbage.
Such a great question to answer. Thanks Johnny!
This past week when doing research on hydraulic disc brakes for electric brakes, I came across a seller that recommended against me using the same brakes included on super expensive premade brakes on any ebike. Also when asking if the brake levers were left or right, they didn't answer until I asked three times.
I got my BBS02 from you. You clearly know more than the seller of my front hub motor. I had to try si many different tools before figuring out that T20 Security is the right tool for the hub motor disc brakes.
Amazon sellers don't always know everything and you are definitely at risk of getting something that doesn't work. I got refunded for a bike that came with a bent front fork and the seat post also got stuck inside the frame. Big frame scratches too.
better brakes are always the choice for e bikes
My little carbon folder tops out at about 35mph/50kph. This is with little 20inch skinny tires
the last thing you want is bad brakes at 30+ mph
If you have the opportunity go with good disc brakes everytime .
I live in a very hilly area , at most times I'm full stop on both brake levers going down steep inclines. They work very well
I have two battery packs. One is the Luna pack 13.5 ah using LG cells and it gets about 1150 watts max fully charged . The other pack I have which a 6ah purchased from yours truly JNO , has samsung cells and it gets close to the 1300 w max on my bbs02 , I see 1250 or so when fully charged going up the same steep hill behind my house.
Samsung 30q cells push by bbs02 to 1250 watts or so while the LG MJ1 cells push it to around 1130-1150 or so range.
Very useful. I think the danger of cheap batteries is that they will fail quickly and/or not deliver the promised voltage and/or AHs. Great video, thank-you.
After a lot of scientific research into batteries I broke it all down into "invest the extra in not setting your crotch or butt on fire" (depending on where you mount your battery).
Or your garage or house or wherever you recharge.
@@billb5732 true, but I'm not as concerned about how insurance will cover those as I am with healing.
I don't think they burn that quickly that you can't stop and jump off the bike. Worse when it's sitting in your house when you're not looking.
@@itekani Why take any risks? The battery is a worthwhile investment in safety. It's worth the money up front on the battery instead of later on with higher insurance premiums or hospital bills.
@@michaelsprinzeles4022 Absolutely, I didn't mean you should go and buy a cheap battery. I just meant risk of fire is much more serious when you are not using the bike, because then you will be outside. I certainly don't want to burn my house down!
Love your videos. I have converted two bikes so far here in Portugal, I converted one downhill bomber for my wife so that it would be unbreakable, and my crappy hardtail for myself and your recommendation to go mid-drive was 100% correct. Way better! I have a question I hope you may know and have the time to answer...are all these down-tube battery mounts the same so you can mix and match mfrs?
Nice video. I appreciate your efforts to share your knowledge
Years ago there was a lot of truth to this. No longer. I am not talking battery capacity or weight. There are minor differences there.
I have yet to disassemble a generic battery that did not have Samsung or Panasonic cells anyway.
Because they have to mass produce these now, mfg processes are more and more standardized. There is not a significant difference in quality of assembly from a mfg.
The odds of a battery fire, from a factory battery that is not attached wrong, damaged or charged with the wrong charger, is a whole lot lower than the odds of being killed on your bike.
Nearly all reported e-bike fires are actually e-mopeds. An amazing percentage are being over charged in homemade charging stations. Other than them, home made (hand made) batteries, aftermarket "rapid chargers," cracked cases and questionable connections, account for nearly all battery fires.
This is all really good to know, been working on the a concept for a modular based enclosed e-bike/trike. An the fact of getting closer to where i would have to look into the batter/ies that would power the system/motor/s of the bike is getting closer so looming in mind abit. Even looking at how big the battery should be for the bike/trike to power the number of hub motors on it effectively the best, while keeping it removeable so it can be brought in during the winter seasons.
I have the cheap batteries and I ride the hell out of them for over a year now big drops, jumps and crashes and no fire yet.
But... now you say that, I'm looking at them out of the corner of my eye like a snake... I watch them charge...
😂
I bought an Aventon Level, 48V. The battery pack failed right at the 2 year warrantee point. After the dealer got them to say they would replace it, they never did. They want $500 for a replacement. Why would I buy a replacement from them when the original was a POS? I don't think it was the battery cells that failed, more likely the circuit board. I've gone back to using my pedal bike. It cuts how far I can go. The E bike is worthless W/O a battery. Is there a circuit board control that I can buy?
The mantra of ‘avoid burning your house down’ is not just rhetoric. As an investigator, I have been to houses that have burnt to the ground as a result of cheap lithium batteries. One unfortunate bloke had just received some generic batteries in the mail and left them to charge while he ducked out. He returned home several hours later to find his family house ablaze. We later identified the charging point as the point of origin for the fire. Saving a few dollars for cheap battery packs is not worth the risk.
Thank you for taking the time to show this video. l appreciate your advice and will go with the more expensive battery pack. Question? the Samsung cell is the best?
I would argue there is no “best” battery cell, just as there is no “best” automobile. A pickup truck is the best for some while a sedan is better for others. Same for cells. Are you going for energy density or power output? I try to pair my cells with my packs for a good blend of capacity and performance.
Samsung makes tons of different cells for different applications.
I was always curious about *Hailong* batteries quality and safety, but then noticed you used to sell them on your website. Are they still reputable even if purchased from Amazon?? Also, any great 72v (larger amp hour) battery recommendations?
Thanks Johnny, love your vids!
Amazon is like eBay….so short answer is no. I don’t recommend Amazon for numerous reasons.
It all comes down to ALL the components being used in the battery. The BMS, the cells, the connections, the charge port etc.
@@JohnnyNerdOut thank you
I have used Johnny for consulting ang he is real great.
It's also a logistics issue. Small low volume sellers simply won't have the ability to buy like the brands selling 10's of thousands of products. If I buy a motor kit locally I might have to pay twice as much to buying through a Chinese seller who maybe ships from the UK or Europe. I doubt if the factory door price of those decent cells are $7 that is probably the price for small volume buyers, it could be high volume buyers pay only $4 maybe less. I mean walmart sold a very basic ebike I think for $399 if I remember rightly. You break down all the components plus shipping, tariffs, profit etc you probably have no more than $50 for the included battery. Samsung do a very safe abuse-able cell that is not particularly energy dense which features in a lot of battery packs as its a recognised brand. The battery pack will end up a bit heavier than battery packs with better more advanced cells but still a good option. Any complete ebike sold in the UK, Europe and US through normal retail channels (not personal imports) has to go through the certification process and the cells will have to be fully certified i.e. properly tested to be legally sold even those super cheap walmart ebikes.
However on aliexpress sellers have filled cells with sand (not kidding) on some battery packs and powerbanks. It's like only half the cells are real cells and the rest is just padding. That's why its important to take your time if buying on aliexpress and go with the sellers with very positive reviews and a high number of sales if you are trying to save money. Also I think some of the Chinese cells are ok, they aren't all bad but many are unfortunately. Some of the complete ebikes sold at retail across Europe, US etc do have Chinese cells.
I bought a couple of battery packs from ebay before the pandemic. Ebay had a 15% off code at the time and the seller offered a generous discount if you buy two battery packs. They have the basic Samsung cells in a Hailong case. I think I paid £150 each approx possibly slightly less and they were 48V 12.5Ah. I think now I'd be lucky to pay less than £230 each.
well done mate!! good info, well delivered, keep up the good werk.
Thanks. Really valuable information.
This information is gold. Avoid the “House burners“ battery packs!
Most of the batteries that burst into flame are scooter batteries. Ebike batteries are not the problem. He wants to scare people into buying his overpriced batteries instead.
@@dtz1000Not spamming stupid comments.
Paid 17.50 for a broken ninebot g30 max battery.
Brand new samsung cells (only bms was broken)
Got my own spotwelder and i know how to spotweld.
Paid 50 backs for a case.
10 backs for nikkel strip.
30 backs bms
So outcomd is like 125 for a good quality 500wh battery pack :)
Is anyone using lifepo4 cells for ebike batteries? That would drastically reduce the risk of fire, right? Good video!
Chemistry of iron phosphate is actually more volatile.The BMS logic is what prevents fire from starting and and also the way they design/manufacture the cells is what limits fire from propagating
Great content, keep up the great work! Whats the hype now with Molly Cell batteries and are they built by the same suspects? Thx,🙏
Is there a way to charge the battery as you ride?? If not how can I charge a battery that I use as a secondary battery
Check out my vids on solar charging
Or regenerative braking, eh Johnny?
I understand that 4500 miles with 1095 daily charging cycles is near the end but it just quit...flat stopped ? Like a fuse (I replaced) or a connection. With the cover removed what can a guy test to see if it is something simple or D.O.A. ? I'm a nerd also just not with free electrons more of a nuts and bolts kind of guy. Please advise mission control.
You get what you pay for!! Great advice!!
Answer....It depends how much they charge.......👍😁
Lol
You cunning punster!😜
I have a swft zip ebike. It comes with 46v 10ah. Can i use another battery thats the same in size and fits perfectly but its 48v?
True. Some firms charge for Grade A, but deliver grade B or worse in many ways. (Rad, for example, charges a premium price, and have proprietary interfaces, so you must buy from them if you have such a bike (the loaner)….)
From what I have recently seen, there is a lot of "liar's poker" going on with battery specifications these days. Batteries being sold with amazing specs, but disappointing outcomes. And yes, the "overstated performance batteries" are priced VERY attractively. Let the buyer beware.
ALWAYS GREAT INFO... "Thank You!"
OK SO YOU SAID IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS! 😮
... Asof 6/23 Some of these New Ebikes coming out offer 48w x 60a - or 52w x 60a in 48 System Ebike With a 25a controller. But NO Where can you find out Battery Type Or Spec. (Eahora Joliet and Aniioki AQ 177 $1900.) Johnny DO You Know Anything About These Ebike and Your Thoughts! "Thx Johnny"
If you are referring the batteries on a premade ebike, you may have to ask the dealer what the specs are. If you are buying a battery from a vendor they will have those specs listed.
I've noticed you can very easily get packs from Ali that come without a case, they seem to be half the price or less than a 'good' battery like a UPP ( loius rossmans exploded though ). I don't make my own because the individual cells cost a LOT of money particularly the high discharge rate ones, theres some sort of conspiracy to keep people from buying individual cells and to jack up the price. I just let the expert at the factory deal with all that trouble, they have the experience and specialized tools that makes it way easier and cheaper than to DIY it.
Don't listen to Louis. He wired up multiple batteries in a way that's extremely dangerous. Also his BMS Boards weren't enough for the motor he was using.
@@ChrisBFerguson who this channel you talking about?
@@ChrisBFerguson can you explain what happened with Louis' UPP battery? Obviously the BMS was not designed to handle the situation he created but otherwise, what was wrong with him paralleling the batteries?
Louis specializes is electronics, not electrical power
I rode my bike in extreme cold weather and I noticed my power level started went down to1 and flashing, I got home charged and riding my bike to the store it went down to flashing 1 again flashing. when I put on the charger the whole display flashes then drops to 1 again.. Help! Can I buy a battery without changing the battery holder???
You should email a pic of the battery and battery cradle to johnnynerdout@gmail.com
I paid extra for my battery. I didn't ride for 9 months (reasons) it still had the same change
According to Hallomotor. They said that the cells in my battery are the Panasonic Tesla Cells? Not sure what they mean but would that be considering “gewd?”
They also provided a fast charging Risunmotor charger as well. So I’m not sure if I got ripped off or not.
However no joke. The battery is quit powerful and it has decent range as well. It’s a 48v 19.2ah battery.
Let me know please and thank yew!
Panasonic is reputable and Tesla cells means its the newer 21700 capacity cells (instead of the usual 18650 you normally see) that are in Tesla cars.
I have to add für the people, which are reading this, that it’s not completely correct.
Yes, there is a difference between cheap Chinese cells and good quality cells, and I would advise everyone always to use the good known one (Samsung, LG, Panasonic…) but you can’t just say that they need to cost 4$ and more. I use the Samsung 50E cells and buy them for 3,50€ from an official store. Bigger manufacturer will always get good Rabatte when they take some thousands of cells. A simple maths shows, that for example car maker pay under 1$ for a cell and they surely don’t use the Chinese one.
The next thing is, that I agree, that a not properly build battery pack is very dangerous but it surely doesn’t cost 200$. When you know how to handle high voltage and high current it’s actually really easy to build the battery pack and unless you are not a big brand like Bosch, you will use every time the same Chinese housing and Chinese BMS and so on.
In the end there is no need for paying 200 ore 300$ more. This will not guarantee you any quality. It’s better to see if the seller lists which cells are being used and what’s the reputation or feedback of the seller.
So who are the reputable manufacturers of E-bike batteries? Who do you trust is putting in the cells they actually spec'd out?
Awesome video. My question is. I understand you about getting batteries from a dealer, but should we get the whole kit from a dealer?
Something to remember is that wholesale battery prices are less than 50% of retail prices, so you can get a quality battery pack for much less than you think. Highest quality 18650 cells are around $2.50 wholesale ($6 retail) with cheaper quality Chinese cells around the $1.50 price range ($3 retail). Very cheap low quality cells cost even less and are not worth it for safety reasons.
From where please.
I'd sure appreciate it if you shared a link.
@@kevinmchale5660 do you thinks someone making batteries will buy enough to make one pack? so it is disingenuous to use individual price when accounting for inflated prices of packs. They want make money on parts and labor rather than just labor and try to hide profit and materials cost.
We are new to E biking? How often do you maintenance and if you need an extra battery? Where do you get that we bought a cheap e bike Five hundred is what we paid A walmart special
I need to have the rear hub rebuilt on my Radcity in Tampa ,,, any shops you can recommend ?
Maybe someone in the area can chime in?
Otherwise check my local conversions tab on my homepage to find someone nearby
Hey brother thanks for all info
I have 2013 scott spark 950 duel suspension
Do you think the bafang kit will fit on it and especially the batteries witch shape and size will fit
Thanks
Mine 58.8 volt $999 i bought 2 ! With the best cells ! From shop and talked to person that puts them together took me 6 places ! Finaly got a good guy here in NSW Australia ,also got a 56.4 battery 48 volt to ! Buy the best not worth buying cheap !
How can I get my jetso haze go faster min 20 mph cheap as possible my goal is 25 to 30 mph wat you think
Johnny, I notice that you sell Hailong batteries. What type cell is used in these? I keep hoping to find a power source that is decent and doesn't cost a fortune.
Samsung 35e
I have a Hailong battery that came from JNO, thanks for asking this!
Great video.
Question...I'm new (self taught) to electrical engineering, repair + maintenance of ebikes.
I installed a 4-light system on ebike - backlight, high beam (×1) and low beam (×2). I run everything through a 12v/24v power source (bank).
Recently, I decided to add rocker switch (×2) to separate high be from low beam. I noticed that the LED indicators on the rockers will sometimes work, sometimes not but the lights will always work. I've looked for shorts, can't find anything.
Power source is rated for 12v/24v. I register 28.5v on multimeter when everything is turned on. Could this be the cause why the rocker lights don't work? I've switched out rockers twice....same result.
Hope u can help. Great video.
/bklyn 👑
I bought a 17.5ah battery pack for about £250 (GBP) about 4 years ago, but never got around to using it until now. Does that sound about right for a descent quality based on the prices 4 years ago?
Sounds cheap but you didn't even say the voltage (48V, 52V?). So if the battery cells alone cost ~£250 or more how would they pay for the battery pack itself and the worker who put it together? That means the cells are way cheaper than £250 and the pack too and worker likely wasn't very skilled since their isn't much money left over either when you add it up.
Maybe listen to the video because it answered your question already. You bought a cheap battery.
@@vigilant_1934
I'm not sure I can agree with that.
Battery prices are getting cheaper all the time and as another poster says, most are using pretty good quality cells now too.
Johnny seems to have a real downer on Amazon too, for no particularly good reason (We all KNOW Bezos is an A-hole). I've always had excellent service from them and most of what they sell is up to the mark, as long as you don't expect miracles.
The best advice is always read the reviews before purchasing. I never buy a product if it doesn't have at least half a dozen 4 or 5 star reviews.
For make recharge safely, hang battery by rope above water bucket. If it ignite, rope melting and battery plunge in water. It only way stop its fire.
Do you have any idea what happens when lithium hits water?! You don't want to be around when it happens!! It's safer to throw water on an oil fire which I wouldn't do either.
@@jaysonwallker1648 No matter, after battery is ignite, to avoid water. It reduce flame size and give time to get rid of it. Firefighters use water bath, when it is possible.
Nothing about that sounds safe.
Can a bad charger diminish a batteries range? I had some sparking when i plugged in my ebikes battery.
Yocles bike not working bratty will come on but power button will not can you help
Our ebike battery measured across pin outputs show only .996v instead of 52v, we just ran about 5miles and back home, next day nothing on display. We charged until green light on charger lit up. But measures across terminal still show 0.996V, what is the issue? Thanks
Bad power switch or fuse is where I’d be looking.
is there any battery distance chart or something similar? So it is ez to know how much km you can get from certain battery size and manufacturers! thanks
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China is thee biggest supplier of batteries on the planet. As well as delivering some of the best batter tech on the planet. Sure you can end up getting a cheaply made battery, but you can also get high quality battery for a fraction of the price of an American manufacture
As far as manufacturing from scratch, most of it is not done in America period.
So tell me why is a replacement battery pack for current ebikes , say Specialized brand $1541 ?
Premade e-bikes are a completely different story. A whole nother level of getting ripped off 🙁
Proprietary battery size/shape plus brand tax and other things.
You don't lose money on ebay if you buy something that's faulty. The seller pays for the return and you get all your money back.
I've got a question for you. I bought a Polarna M5 that came with a supposedly 48V 17.5 Ah battery (that's what's written on it anyway), but I'm not convinced that it's really 17.5 Ah. Anyway, I'd like to buy a second battery (it's a foldable ebike with a battery inside the frame with a D-type metal casing). I've looked everywhere (Amazon, AliExpress, Alibaba, eBay) for such a battery 17.5 Ah but with reputable cells (Samsung or LG) and can't find any. Batteries for my ebike on Amazon go from $471 to $629 (Canadian dollars) for the same amperage, but no one states that the cells are known brands. They're all Chinese cells. Where to go to get a 48V 17.5 Ah D-type casing foldable ebike battery with high-quality cells? Thanks for any reply, and thanks for this video.
Hi AlainHubert, usually most of battery manufacturers didn't use Samsung or LG cells unless customer ask for it(They can but they usually don't). And there is a rule that sellers (on Amazon, AliExpress, Alibaba, eBay) can't use Samsung or LG as title or keywords in their published product, because it will cost very much to get the permission of Samsung or LG to use their name. That's why you can't find a seller who claim using Samsung or LG cell.
I am also a ebike battery manufacturer, you are welcome to ask me some quesiton about battery.
If I buy a Heybike Mars, can I purchase a 2nd battery from you?
Heybike does not service Hawaii
And 3 Aventon shops in Hawaii
I can’t ship batteries to Hawaii either ☹️
Thank U.
I openened mine up to see and sure enough they were marked Samsung, but then I thought...do I really know the difference between samsung and a battery that has a printed lable that says Samsung? no I don't. but they work great so I will keep buying from same place to avoid problem
I bought a cheap battery off amazon, it failed and the seller had vanished...
How long did it last?
@@zippy0n942 it never charged fully. I had it for a couple of months before I used it. By the time I realised the seller had vanished.
@@zippy0n942 crap cell's I guess
hi, open the pack carefully and check bms and cells.
@@m.s.5914 thx btw.
Hey Johnny great info unfortunately I'm in the UK so can only legally have a 250-watt motor can you advise what is the highest volt & Ah I can use with it I am looking to get the most distance as I can on a full charge. Thank for your help in advance.
Regards
Steve
its not illegal if use it aproppriately, you get a 1000 - 2000 watt bike, just dont put others in danger or yourself.. 25-30amp 48 to 52 volt battery, with at least 15 AH higher better such as 20AH
I have a pack from Hailong (also says Shanshan Tech on the pack). Ever heard anything about those?
36V 16AH supposedly with Panasonic cells cost me about 550 dollars over here in Sweden from a Swedish seller of kits.
I believe Hailong is the case manufacturer and can be filled with any battery. Search for Hailong battery case on eBay.
Any updates, how's your battery doing??
@@Towelie4200 So far only about 1900km and maybe 18 months on the battery, so as expected still going strong.
What about a 48v 14ah battery with a two year warranty from an Amazon seller? Seems like a no lose at $259.00.
I haven't had any battery last even one year yet. That's after 3 ebikes and 2 scooters...
IF they honor it, it’s worth it.
I just bought a 40€ 48V 13S3P battery on Aliexpress
Hi Johnny 🙋 Bob here , can I talk to you somehow ?
Head to Johnnynerdout.com. If you need something quick, email or call the shop. For more in-depth help I would recommend booking a consultation from my homepage.
But what are the practical differences between a no-brand battery and a samsung/Lg one?
Difference in range? Is safety an issue even with BMS kit?
I would say safety is the biggest concern. Not just from a lower grade BMS, but cheaper cells that don’t have the same scrutiny put on them for performance and the assembly of the packs themselves.
@@JohnnyNerdOut Thanks a lot.
Bro can u suggest where to buy quality products for ebike conversion? TIA.
Haha! Johnnynerdout.con is where I get all my stuff 😎
Great vid, but one thing was left out, battery chemistry. LiFePO4 cells are far cheaper than standard lithium ion (or at least they have been, who knows what the future prices will be). I bought my 0.5 kWh LFP pack for just $200. Seemed too low, but with LFP there’s next to no worry about fire so I went for it. It was very bare bones though, with just shrink wrap and wires I had to solder connectors onto. I would have gladly paid more for a fully packaged LFP pack, but I couldn’t find one anywhere in the US. If you could offer them in your shop you’d fill a very specific niche.
Historically LifePo4 cells have been more expensive in $/Wh. Their selling point was that they are more stable and have higher C rates. CATL has really pushed price parity in the past couple years, but you will still find non LifePo4 bare cells to be cheaper.
@@davisbradford7438 this seems at odds with both my experience (buying a 0.5 kWh LFP pack for $200) and what I've read. This BNEF piece notes "Lithium iron phosphate - LFP - however plays as a cost-competitive alternative, contributing to the lowest reported cell prices of $80/kWh". As I understand it the main issue with LFP is weight. My battery pack could be a few lbs lighter if it were NMC. This seems like more of a problem for bigger batteries. At 0.5 kWh and below it's just a few lbs which the motor and easily handle.
about.bnef.com/blog/battery-pack-prices-cited-below-100-kwh-for-the-first-time-in-2020-while-market-average-sits-at-137-kwh/
@@mattherndon9317From what I've read, LiFePO⁴ should be a little lighter than Lithium-ion batteries not any heavier. They shouldn't be cheaper than even lead acid batteries though. It's 2024 and I have yet to see LiFePO⁴ batteries in entry level or budget e-bikes.
The article seems to compare newer lithium-ion chemical batteries, not in mass production at the time of writing 2020, to LiFePO⁴ which had been studied since 1996 (not sure when they first came to market). Again I doubt these LiFePO⁴ batteries are going to be in anything except high end e-bikes but I'll look around.
I got a ebike 1000 front wheel with brain, no other parts? Does anyone sale a pakage to hook this up like handle throttle and display and of and on swith???
Subscriber here ! Q--- if you install a 52V battery on a BBS02 do you need to reprogram the controller ? I'm running a DCP18 Display & some are saying it will not show the correct voltage if the motor controller is not reprogrammed to 52v-------While others say the newer BBS02 controller is programmed for 52V & your fine. Any incite ?
No you don’t need to reprogram it 👍
@@JohnnyNerdOut Thanks, About to finish my first two builds. Without your helpful vids & strait shooter ways, I'd be pretty nervous about the builds as I was Green as Grass when I started.
I just want one that doesn't set my house on fire guaranteed.
Zero chance will never be an option. The closer we get to it the better though.
@@JohnnyNerdOut agreed 👍.
Spot on, good analysis and back of envelope wisdom, great advice. Safety first. When these things fire, only the good lord can put it out.
Ditto... what you said about what Johnny N said. The best explanation of why the bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Where should you store your bike batteries? I usually leave in the bike and the bike is in the garage. But, as you know, the garage has temperature swings. It can be very warm in the garage and in the winter cold. But it is enclosed, because I keep my garage door closed. But what say you?
Definitely a great question. I don’t like storing batteries in my house, no matter the quality. Outside can be brutal on a battery but safer. If it gets too cold, buy a couple moving blankets and wrap your battery in them while being stored at 50%.
@@JohnnyNerdOut How cold outside is too cold? 20 degrees and lower? Planning ahead. Might put battery in a cheap styrofoam cooler wrapped in a moving blanket inside another hardside cooler for added insulation/weather protection.
@@Sparrowhawk187 I’d say under 32 degrees
I moved mine to the basement. Same with power tool batteries. Uninsulated garage in CO that will get
Yes it rarely gets colder than 45° in our garage. So I guess it doesn’t hurt to leave it out there once in a while. I usually bring it into the house. But if I’m lazy and don’t want to go outside to take it off or take it out, I’ll leave it there for a night or two. Days are in the high 60s and mid 70s. So maybe I don’t have to worry as much as folks that live in colder temperatures. Batteries are expensive so I want to try to prolong them as long as I possibly can.
Hi peple does anyone know where i can buy a battery for my gotrax be2 they outta stock thats why anyone ?
Process to make battery cell is same. Difference is what they put in.
Yes , but they are still too expensive .
i have a Nox ( austrian bike ) with a BMZ 625 Watt battery that cost over a thousand Euros to replace . Yes it's german made with a sold aluminum case and very good connectors , but sht,i'm going to freak out when i have to replace it .😱
Hi do you program asi bac855 controller?
Nice t-shirt ⚠️😬
I want one 😬
Buy a bike rather
some prices (Europe)
2017 NT Style 36V 13Ah Samsung Battery $350 (Dillenger Street Legal extra battery)
2022 Rebuild and upgrade TranzX bl05 battery $400
Not bad. Their 36V lowish Ah batteries so they're not too expensive anyway. 48V and 52V or higher cost most obviously.
One and two are valid BUT there's also mark up, you can pay a vastly different amount of money for exactly the same product, a lie of omission tut tut.
Ya but that is true of even the cheap cells. I know people who mark up the cheap cells to that of premium cells. Always buy from a reputable seller to avoid greedy markups. If you aren’t sure of those sellers, check the forums for real world feedback 👍
In general just dont buy from amazon for something your trusting not to burn down your house... and it is a problem
how about you buy premium and end up getting low quality at premium price?
I see on ebay a 48v 14ah battery with charger for under $200 from a USA dealer. Good deal or you get what you pay for?
Haha, definitely get what you pay for. Are they saying it’s premium cells?
@@JohnnyNerdOut No mention of premium. Only cell type 18650. The battery is in a heat shrink wrapped rectangular casing.
@@specagent999 they are not premium cells whatever they are.
Those cheap battery cells typically resells for $1-$1.5 each in China
14x5 what!? Of course, I know what you're talking about, but people who don't know how to build a rechargeable battery will have no idea what you're talking about. You can't keep assuming that everybody already knows everything that you're talking about well supposedly making videos for people who don't know what you're talking about.
We are getting absolutely robbed for these batteries, tesla says their batteries are $120/kwh, fords lfp batteries are down to $80/kwh yet ebike batteries can easly cost over $1000/kwh.
Same thing for power tools...
Its scale. If you only buy 80 cells for an ebike battery it’s much more per unit than when ford buys 800.
@@JohnnyNerdOut we already have "scale", so your telling me the companies selling ebike batteries don't buy em in bulk? All the cordless powertool and yard work companies not buying em in bulk? No scale there? Even if I order the minimum of 5000 cells to get the cheapest price, it's still a complete ripoff.
When I built my first ebike almost 10 years ago they said the batteries are only going to get cheaper blah blah blah, yet I'm shopping around for a new pack and they cost more then they did 10 years ago!
@@polska9052020 messed everything up for shipping, supply chain, tariffs, ect. in many industries. I was building my first PC around that time and had to deal with shortage on power supplies which made the price go up when a quality one (Seasonic) was finally available. Now getting into e-bikes for commuting/groceries and it's not a surprise certain things were cheaper years ago as well. Pre-built e-bikes are cheaper overall though so happy for that.
I'll add that big automobile manufacturers spend a lot more on batteries and buy way more than these smaller ebike ones do so it's not really close. There's also new lithium battery types that came out after 2020 so of course those are gonna cost more than the batteries from 10 years ago. And I hope you're not comparing them to the cheap heavy lead acid batteries.
I am trying to ride 400 miles in two days. I can't afford for the battery to die with a 60lb bike
That's a crazy long distance and a 60 Lb e-bike is basically average weight. All-terrain bikes can easily be 85-100 Lbs.
Do you know any good ebike supplier in Europe?
Buy a kit then build one.
The battery pack should cost $450 for a $595 ebike!?
definitely be weary of a $595 ebike….they cut corners on many things to get that price
I would NEVER buy a $595 e-bike. Quality reg bikes with no motor cost more than that.
It's marketing strategy some of the batteries are better but they don't necessarily cost more to make .. . If they wanted to give you a better quality battery and not charge you more that would be to their advantage and they wouldn't lose really any money they gain more sales
I will confirm that there is a substantial cost difference between cells. It fluctuates frequently too
I was going to convert my Trek Remedy 8 Full Suspension MTB but. Battery will not fit in the triangle, Rear racks have drawbacks and a battery in a back pack seems like a hassle? Any suggestions on rear racks or?
Go with a small saddle bag battery (s)
@@JohnnyNerdOut do you have any small batteries for sale Bafang says my bottom bracket requires a 1000W motor
So batteries aren't meant to start fire or over heat? Crazy 🤪
Must admit I've bought quite expensive e bike batteries from amazon, claiming quality samsung cells, but unless I take it apart I won't know for sure! ..so it's a bit of a lottery really, time will tell I guess.
The luna packs from luna ebikes are way overbuilt but worth the peace of mind , IMO.
@@TheAgentAssassin true. Trouble is, they’ve been out of stock for ages, and based on my chat with them, they may no longer make batteries in the future…
Just like anything else in life.....quality! Do you really think McDonalds is the same as SmashBurger? Nooooooo!!!! If someone said they had a 2020 Ferrari for sale at $15k. There's something WRONG with it
Anyone having experience of bestebikes batteries, they have 4 certificates and I think they are real,530 or was it 600 bucks for 52v 17.5Ah battery with LG 18650/ Samsung 21700 cells, they have had no problems with the batteries atleast when I looked at the reviews. and I can't find any good/reliable seller/builder for ebike batteries here in Finland so just asking for a advice, do u think it's worth to buy battery from them.
Remember, y'all, you can file a charge back with your credit card company if these chinese companies dont wanna resolve the problem!
What’s wrong with buying good lithium cells and assemble them yourself?
no fucking way is the labor worth 200 to assemble the pack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wish brah